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Is Pink H/A?

Started by Lady Isabella, February 09, 2010, 09:18:00 PM

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DonaCatalina

#15
Quote from: operafantomet on February 10, 2010, 01:46:46 AM
Pink: major yes!!

And actually, the brighter, the better. Don't go for light pastel. The way a colour was rated, was that the more intense the colour was, the more expensive it was. Cheaper textiles was dyed in the dye bat last, and got paler shades. That's not what you want if you go for upper middle class or nobility.
Pink in actual portraits? I'm a sucker for Italian style, so that's mainly the references I have. But enjoy!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/operafantomet/renaissanceportraits/firenze2/bronzino1543.jpg
(Eleonora di Toledo in a dress, which it is indeed the same, is described as "crimson with gold bands")

(again, would probably be considered red for the period eye, but to the modern eye it can be seen as pink as well)
Just as an additional note: I have seen the Moroni portaits in person. While the portrait of the lady is just barely not red to my eyes,
The gentleman's suit is indeed pepto-bismol pink with silver embroidery. I'm not sure why it looks salmon in most computer scans.
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Adriana Rose

The Ladies gown looks more of a mauve to me. But its still pinkish

DonaCatalina

I can't believe I forgot about this one and I'm making this dress in brown right now.
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gem

#18
Oh, my gosh--isn't she beautiful!  Dona C, do you have a date/artist on that?

That smock is unreal. And if you look closely (near her armpits) you can see the black kirtle she's wearing under her gown, and it looks like it's almost completely unlaced. How fascinating!

DonaCatalina

Jean Clouet
Madame de Canaples (Marie d'Assigny, 1502 - 58)

about 1525
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GirlChris

Wow. That one's candyfloss pink. There's no saying "eh, it's kind of orangey" or "looks a little red to me." That's PINK.

Adriana Rose

I would love to see the rest of that gown!

CecilsTanequin

This is our French Ambassador at Bristol's interpretation of Moroni's Gentleman in Pink


Our French Ambassador is played by Efrain Ayala and he makes his own.
Kat Brown
Guilde of St. George - Bristol
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'09-'12 Mistress Mary Radcliffe

DonaCatalina

He did a marvelous job on that.  :)
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Aunty Lou

Oooooh!!  And!  And!  those sleeves!  Want. To. Try. Those. SLEEVES!!  Blackwork bands.  OK.  But are the rest woven with strips if very fine lawn and black cords?  Absolutely fabulous!

Kate XXXXXX

Oh, very nicely done!

isabelladangelo

Just one to encompass all the colors:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jubileel/4535340576/

Not only does it have PINK!, there are also some brilliant blues, yellows, reds, and even a bit of the "Renaissance Purple".  The painting is from the 15th c but it should give a very good idea of color.   

The problem with color over the computer, or even, sometimes, in a book, is that you don't always get the tones of a color.  I've seen plenty of dresses and outfits I know are teal from seeing them in the museum come out blue or green on the computer.   Teal itself was actually a widely used color.  There is also this period in the 15th c in which a ton of manuscripts (prayer books mostly) have ridiculously bring OMG!ORANGE! to the point I seriously believe safety cone orange would be acceptable.  You can see a little bit of it here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jubileel/4534780883/

It's a lot brighter than most people believe is possible. 

There is a lady at Pennsic that does the most wonderful natural dyeing project ever, every year.   She takes her own wool and linen, gets herbs and spices that were available to her persona (14th c Scandinavian, I think), and dyes everything to see what color she can get.   As she told me once, hot bubble gum pink is very period.   What they would do is dye the linen in saffron which turns it pink.  Really.   Rather than a bright yellow, the chemical reaction gets a bubble gum pink.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jubileel/3502736500/  <-Her exhibit from a couple of years ago.   Lots of variations on violet, green, and yellows.   You can also see the various pinks and blues on the other side of the table.  :-)  Not bad for the 14th c!  Imagine what they could get later on with increased trade.

PrincessSara

Quote from: gem on April 16, 2010, 03:41:54 PM
Oh, my gosh--isn't she beautiful!  Dona C, do you have a date/artist on that?

That smock is unreal. And if you look closely (near her armpits) you can see the black kirtle she's wearing under her gown, and it looks like it's almost completely unlaced. How fascinating!


A little off topic, but I think she's actually wearing two kirtles.  If you look at the band of gold embroidery that appears to be a smock, you can see that the black lines on either side of her neck (jewelry?) go over the embroidery, then under the white strip.  Also, if you look near her left underarm you can see where the white strip separates a little from the embroidery.  I think the embroidery is part of the smock, then she's wearing a white kirtle and a black kirtle under her gown.

And to make this post on topic, here's some more pink:

Margaret Roper (Thomas More's daughter) c. 1536 by Hans Holbein.

isabelladangelo

Quote from: PrincessSara on April 20, 2010, 07:18:39 PM

A little off topic, but I think she's actually wearing two kirtles.  If you look at the band of gold embroidery that appears to be a smock, you can see that the black lines on either side of her neck (jewelry?) go over the embroidery, then under the white strip.  Also, if you look near her left underarm you can see where the white strip separates a little from the embroidery.  I think the embroidery is part of the smock, then she's wearing a white kirtle and a black kirtle under her gown.

I don't think it's a white kirtle, but probably a breast band.  Those were still being used at that time as evidenced here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jubileel/4535250860/in/set-72157623890187932/

The adulteress has a fallen breast band, her laces all undone, and a sheer chemise on. 

Close ups of the painting showing the chemise, partlet, breast band, kirtle, and gown are available at:

http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/TudorWomen/1520s/MadamedeCanaplesRArm.html