Camping @ TRF

[crashbot]

Yikes.

[Tink]

I think all the groups need to just start blaring bagpipes super loud until the rest of the music is turned down/off or the people playing said music get fed up and leave.

[crashbot]

I have nearly 4000 albums, I am sure I could find something in my music collection that would annoy pretty much anyone within a 200 yard radius. Just need someone to loan me the industrial quality face melting audio system.

[FaeHollow]

It's like someone said NO FIRE so they came in and brought their lasers .... and the music was so loud. I understand it isn't a quiet area... but as loud as it was past 11 pm is stupid. I think security should have had to go over there and tell them to tune it down a little... not stop completely... of course if security went over there and really looked they would be able to attack everyone who was on drugs at the rave. You do need a ticket to get into camping this year but the ravers were buying 8 tickets and running them over to the people driving in to get them in...so most of them didn't attend the faire. I just know on Friday night you could hear the rave in participants so loud that people were going to the camp wardens and complaining that it was BACKSTAGE... even though it wasn't.

[Lady Laura]

I thought about calling opening weekend on the group near us.  Will security make them turn it down if they get enough complaints?

[MrHyde]

What if the first clan that got there blew up and printed this picture.  Attach it to stakes.  Pick the farthest spot in the campground and post them.  Then there would be an _sshat area for all these idiots.



I do honestly think that to enter the camping area you should have to check in all members of your party, pay the camping fee required, show the tickets for Faire entrance for every member of the party.  If the member does not have a Faire ticket they have to purchase one at that time to be allowed to enter.  The tickets should be scanned at that time to not allow people to give the ticket to someone else.  A band on the wrist issued at that time to each member.  The TRF beefeaters can then cut the band off when you enter the gate.  If you are attending both days you are issued two different color bands.  These bands are put on you at the entrance when the ticket is scanned.  If security finds someone without a band that person can either pay the full admittance fee at that time or they can leave.

This is Renaissance FAIRE camping.  It is not a KOA.

[ravic]

Then no participant could come visit with their friends.

[Glaodian]

I thought about calling opening weekend on the group near us.  Will security make them turn it down if they get enough complaints?

Hopefully the powers to be are reading some of this and deciding on what actions to take.  I know that TRF administrators check these forums from time to time.

[MrHyde]

By participant do you mean vendors and cast?  That is easily fixed with a band or badge.

The problem is no one wants these people that just come to party and don't even visit the faire.  No one wants to be at all inconvenienced to get rid of them though.  You can't have it both ways.  There is an issue here.  Camping is the last bastion at this Faire of wildness.  Wildness is fine.  Either accept it and don't get angry about it or fix it.  You can't blare music on my street until 4am with a light show.  Precinct 4 Constables will come by and shut you down.  Why there?  You have people there that are not even supporting the faire.  They are keeping you awake all night and then while you go to the faire they are stealing your stuff.  Why put up with that?

I don't camp any longer due to this.  If I want someone to steal my stuff, keep me awake all night, try to attack my wife, make my kids sit in fear in the tent then who truly is the _SSHAT?  The tweekers or me as the husband and father I am supposed to be.  It seems that currently they have all the rights and the patrons and lovers of the faire have none.  You tell me where this has gone wrong.

Plus King George wants all my family money anyway.  Why else would there be G rated Family Sundays (brought to you by Coca-Cola).  If enough people gripe that are going to spend money IN his faire who's side will he take.  Then how does he get rid of the tweekers?  He opens the gates to the campground to law enforcement and DEA agents (of which he has many friends) and cleans up the campgrounds.  Now you as a loyal TRF patron have to spend your weekend with Texas Rangers and DEA agents watching everything you do just to get rid of a few that should of not been there anyway.

[FaeHollow]

I do think if security got enough complaints they would turn it down. The attitude I kept running into was " oh it is just the bs you have to deal with in the campground... It will always happen" well if everyone is annoyed by it and finds security and complains something will get taken care of. These idiots need to go find a warehouse somewhere and stop using faire as their playground... Nothing will ever change if people remain passive.

[eloquentXI]

What if the first clan that got there blew up and printed this picture.  Attach it to stakes.  Pick the farthest spot in the campground and post them.  Then there would be an _sshat area for all these idiots.

I do honestly think that to enter the camping area you should have to check in all members of your party, pay the camping fee required, show the tickets for Faire entrance for every member of the party.  If the member does not have a Faire ticket they have to purchase one at that time to be allowed to enter.  The tickets should be scanned at that time to not allow people to give the ticket to someone else.  A band on the wrist issued at that time to each member.  The TRF beefeaters can then cut the band off when you enter the gate.  If you are attending both days you are issued two different color bands.  These bands are put on you at the entrance when the ticket is scanned.  If security finds someone without a band that person can either pay the full admittance fee at that time or they can leave.

This is Renaissance FAIRE camping.  It is not a KOA.

With all respect, that isn't money nor manpower that King George will spend on camping, or barcodes, or wrist bands or any of that. And to be honest, if it gets that bad, I'm just not going to come back. If the ravers spend their money to get in the campgrounds, he'll be happy, as long as the money is made.

I don't like people being horribly loud just like the rest of us but be realistic. At the end of the day, this is a business and while we do have people from management on the boards now, who will take notice of what we're saying, the number one priority is making sure that any people, no matter mundane, patron, playtron, raver, drunk idiots, etc, come through the gates.

[Riot]

By participant do you mean vendors and cast?  That is easily fixed with a band or badge.

However as it is they make it pretty difficult for the participants to visit friends in the campground. They would never give them wristbands just so they so see friends. They don't like them coming into Patron's as it "affects the magic of faire".

[eloquentXI]

I do think if security got enough complaints they would turn it down. The attitude I kept running into was " oh it is just the bs you have to deal with in the campground... It will always happen" well if everyone is annoyed by it and finds security and complains something will get taken care of. These idiots need to go find a warehouse somewhere and stop using faire as their playground... Nothing will ever change if people remain passive.

While I want to agree with you on the fact that if people remain passive, nothing will ever change- people have been anything BUT passive for years, and while their has been minor change, there hasn't been anything substantial. People have been furious, have spoke up, and what do people have to show for it?

A new camping fee and losing of the patrol officers we trusted? Hm, it solved some but not much.

There are a growing number of people who love the faire and have spent many a year walking through its lanes, giving their money, that have just decided enough is enough and have long since stopped attending because they just weren't being heard.

[Morrigan]

It's not just the other campers, patrons, and participants that are being disturbed and robbed of their sleep.  I don't even stay on site anymore, I stay with some friends that live nearby - about a mile and a half from the campground.   And from INSIDE the house, I could hear the music loudly enough that it kept me up into the wee hours on Friday night... and on Saturday night, I could hear it as well, but sheer exhaustion and a mild overdose of benadryl knocked me out.

What does this mean?  It means that there are entire neighborhoods of people who are being disturbed in their HOMES.  And unlike us, they have NOT made any choices to be involved in TRF in any way... No, they are minding their own business, going about their lives, and having the peace that they are entitled to in their own homes disrupted.   I would be VERY surprised if there were not complaints from local residents.

[ravic]

I am afraid that at some point, someone will decide to take things into their own hands & do security's job for them. Then there will be an incident. Guess which party, or parties, will be thrown out of camp & maybe get a complimentary ride to county?