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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2008, 06:57:08 AM »
At 2007 Minnesota RenFest I had my Longbow arrows tied together in the quiver with a leather boot lace which was then tied to the quiver itself. No problems at the gate or inside, not even any questions. My Longbow remained unstrung of course!
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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2008, 06:32:30 PM »
That's good to hear they let you in with arrows. According to their own guidelines, they weren't supposed to.  Hopefully they're being a little lax on minor things like that.  I do know for the weekend of the archery tourney, they made exceptions.


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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2008, 06:36:51 PM »
Ha!  I have never heard of a faire that doesn't allow weapons.  I mean, how the heck do they expect us to put on sword fight shows, etc, if you can't even carry a weapon?  Of course, I have never heard of a faire that didn't require the weapons to be peace tied.

Anyway, you just tie some string or whatever you have on the handle and to your holder or belt.  It's not like the staff comes by and tries to pull your weapon to test it.  As long as it looks tied, you're good to go!


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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2008, 07:05:35 PM »
Ha!  I have never heard of a faire that doesn't allow weapons.  I mean, how the heck do they expect us to put on sword fight shows, etc, if you can't even carry a weapon?  Of course, I have never heard of a faire that didn't require the weapons to be peace tied.

There are actually quite a few faires that don't allow weapons.  The Maryland Renaissance Festival, for one.  It's one of the largest in the U.S., and they don't allow weapons of any kind.


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Anyway, you just tie some string or whatever you have on the handle and to your holder or belt.  It's not like the staff comes by and tries to pull your weapon to test it.  As long as it looks tied, you're good to go!

That's not entirely true.  I've seen security walk up to patrons and "test" peace ties.  If it failed, they sent the patron back to the front gate for a re-tie.  Even if you have your own homemade peace tie, some faires will still add their own just as a precaution.


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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2008, 11:23:18 AM »
Ha!  I have never heard of a faire that doesn't allow weapons.  I mean, how the heck do they expect us to put on sword fight shows, etc, if you can't even carry a weapon?  Of course, I have never heard of a faire that didn't require the weapons to be peace tied.

There are actually quite a few faires that don't allow weapons.  The Maryland Renaissance Festival, for one.  It's one of the largest in the U.S., and they don't allow weapons of any kind.

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Anyway, you just tie some string or whatever you have on the handle and to your holder or belt.  It's not like the staff comes by and tries to pull your weapon to test it.  As long as it looks tied, you're good to go!

That's not entirely true.  I've seen security walk up to patrons and "test" peace ties.  If it failed, they sent the patron back to the front gate for a re-tie.  Even if you have your own homemade peace tie, some faires will still add their own just as a precaution.

Ah, indeed, perhaps it is an East Coast thing.  I have been to many a faire on the Other coast and have yet to be denied a weapon. Naturally they are peace tied.  And to that effect you are correct in that it should not be able to be drawn.  But I must admit that I find it a bit humourus to envision knights walking around faire with no weapon to guard the queen.  :)

While the guards in our land do physical checks from time to time, what I meant was that they traditionally don't line everyone up with a weapon and try to draw all your weapons.  As long as it can't be drawn, you should be fine.  Just use common sense make sure it's obvious that you have tied it.



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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2008, 11:02:46 AM »
Ha!  I have never heard of a faire that doesn't allow weapons.  I mean, how the heck do they expect us to put on sword fight shows, etc, if you can't even carry a weapon?  Of course, I have never heard of a faire that didn't require the weapons to be peace tied.

They limit weapons to only the contracted stage combat troupe, jousters, or other  authorized cast members. MIRF is supposed to be just relaxing their rules starting this season.
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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2008, 12:15:03 PM »
Yup and as stated on the first page of this thread Sterling also is reconsidering this, IMHO, foolish policy.
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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2008, 12:16:30 PM »
Yup and as stated on the first page of this thread Sterling also is reconsidering this, IMHO, foolish policy.

Interesting.  Why do you think this is a bad choice?

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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2008, 10:40:35 PM »
I think he meant the old policy was foolish/over protective.
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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2008, 06:57:14 PM »
"That's good to hear they let you in with arrows. According to their own guidelines, they weren't supposed to."-Deadbishop

No offense intended but there was/is nothing in the rules about not allowing arrows (knock on wood). I had a copy of the policy with me, just in case. The Gatewench didnt even ask!!  :)
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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2008, 07:08:01 PM »
Actually, there was/is nothing in the rules about not allowing arrows (knock on wood). I had a copy of the policy with me!  :)

Hahahaha, carry that around with you, do you? Are you some kind of trouble maker?!  :)

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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2008, 07:45:10 AM »
I think he meant the old policy was foolish/over protective.
You guys have to remember that times have changed.  I have been doing shows since 1981, and in the 80's, a patron with a sword was BIG trouble.  I have been in 3 swordfights with patrons who attacked me.  It isn't much fun having a drunk guy trying to hit you with a sharp object.  To make 3 long stories short, 2 out of 3 went their attack, my parry, riposte with kick, they hit the ground, police take them away.  The third I was blindsided by a guy who hit me with a full power shot to the back (my armor saved me, and still bears the scar.  He knocked two of my ribs lose from the cartilage, and they still pop out sometimes 20+ years later) and I knocked him out with a spinning backfist, and then the police took him away.

But that was then.  Remember, in 1984ish getting a sword was not easy.  Very few were commercially available.  You had to make quite the effort to get one, or make it yourself.  It was sort of a telling fact if someone was carrying a sword that SOMETHING was going on in their heads that was quite different than everyone elses...

Then Museum Replicas showed up in 1986ish and changed everything.  Now swords were available, albeit expensive, and rarely in stock (for those of you who remember calling MR all geared up about buying a sword, and being told NOTHING was in stock as Del Tin couldn't keep up) still, it took effort to have a sword.

Now you can get just about anything.  People buy them as costume accessories rather than as the "center of their being".  The mindset has changed.  Windlass, Paul Chen, and everything from Pakistan has made it easy to get one to hang on your belt, and cheap too.

SO, I don't think there will be thr problems we had with swords in the 80's.  I do hope everyone carrying one doesn't act like a jerk and make it a "mine's bigger than yours" kind of thing. 

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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2008, 08:19:19 AM »
I've had a lot more trouble with drunks and kids carrying wooden swords than I've had with people in grab with real weapons.  Every season it seems I have to block some kid wildy swinging thier new wooden sword around from hitting someone.  Most of the time the parents just look at you like way are you ruining my darlings fun.  Drunks are even worst, but drunks normally are no madder whats going on.   

One of the things I find amusing is that I've had people question me about my sword but no one questioned my staff.   I've trained much more and am much better with a staff than a sword yet no one looks twice at my staff funny how people can over look things because they have a certain mindset.
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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2008, 08:53:45 AM »
I am shocked that someone would attack a person at a renaissance festival.  I know this was the 80's but it was the 1980's and not 1580's.  Role-playing is one thing however why on earth would someone actually attack someone?

If anyone actually attacked me with a knife or sword I would assume they wanted to kill me and would defend myself even if it meant killing them.  Of course with my securely peace-tied weapon I might not live very long.

I appreciate the advice and received my Rondel Dagger from Arms & Armor and successfully peace-tied it to my belt last night.

On a side note at faires where patrons can have peace-tied weapons do the security (off-duty police officers?) usually carry guns?  A few security guards with whistles and pepper spray don't seem like much of a match for someone with a sword.

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Re: How to Peace Tie Weapons?
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2008, 12:19:04 PM »
I've seen two fights at SCA events, which do not require peace tieing, but none at faires. At the SCA events, volunteer constables, armed with staffs procedded to beat the offenders into submission. They were then held under armed guard until dawn (they both happened after 2am) and then escorted of site to a waiting police car. Both involved newbies/first timers, and 'appropriated' steel.

I have to say, if someone is drunk, or angery (or both) enough to draw steel, a zip tie isn't going to do squat. A leather thong probably won't be much better.

But I do have to say, make sure the sheath is well secured as well. I did, at the last faire I attended (with a new sword, that didn't fit my hanger very well) have the backet hilt zip tied to my belt. All good, until, as I chased my little one, the sheath slipped through the hanger, and fell off behind me. Sword secure. But it was a real !@&^%$@# to get the sheath back on the blade, with the hilt attatched to my belt, and the blade still in the hanger.

And yeah, kids (of ages 2 to 80) with wooden weapons seem to be the greater problem. Had to yell at one kid for trying to hit my daughter, whose 18 months old.
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