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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #105 on: September 11, 2013, 08:44:45 AM »
Most likely the Stanleys, who turned traitor at the last minute, thereby sealing Richards
fate.
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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #106 on: August 07, 2014, 03:37:39 PM »
It looks like Richard III will be buried in Leicester Cathedral on March 26, 2015.

How cool would it be to go to the funeral of a king who died over 400 years ago!

http://www.medievalists.net/2014/08/07/king-richard-lll-reburied-march-26th/
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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #107 on: August 07, 2014, 03:53:52 PM »
Verycool indeed.
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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #108 on: August 07, 2014, 04:45:51 PM »
  Indeed!  I've been following the debate on the design of the tomb.
    Can't say I'm a fan of the final design.
    It's too modern and minimalist for a 400 year old king. The Richard III society wanted something a bit more in keeping with what would have been constructed in the 1400's; and many were rabidly opposed to the block carved with a deep cross.   
   The depth of the cross is designed to reveal that the remains are not interred above ground. (at least this was the official explanation).
   Will they be holding a Catholic rite?  The Anglican church did not exist in his time.
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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #109 on: August 07, 2014, 09:51:30 PM »
According to this article--

"It is deeply regrettable, it's crazy," says the Father Andrew Cole, spokesman for the Catholic Diocese of Nottingham, which includes Leicester.

King Richard III was a Catholic and was buried with full Catholic rites in a marked grave.
Father Cole says he does not mind which city he is finally laid to rest in but the church would like him reburied as soon as possible.

"What some people forget is his funeral has already happened," he says. "A Christian ceremony was held and his body was given back to God.


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-26526790

A Christian ceremony and buried with Catholic rites? Seems to me he was dumped at Greyfriars. If it was a legitimate funeral and burial, why did he become a parking space?
Surely there would have been SOME record of it somewhere.

Sounds like Monty Python did the funeral.  ;D
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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #110 on: August 08, 2014, 08:05:45 AM »
It seems that controversy will follow good king Richard even after 400 years.  Will he never receive peace????
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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #111 on: August 24, 2014, 07:36:20 PM »
Richard III got short shrift from Alison Weir in her new book as well.
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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #112 on: August 25, 2014, 09:26:36 AM »
Since my husband and I are going to England next year to visit his family, I wrote to Leceister Cathedral asking if we could attend the service.  They wrote this long, flowery letter back.  Short answer:  no.

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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #113 on: August 25, 2014, 12:02:30 PM »
From the above website, Renee--

For three days King Richard III will lie in repose, in his coffin covered with a commissioned pall, for any who wish to pay their respects. Special arrangements will be in place to allow as many as possible who wish to visit to do so.

Go ahead. Sneak in. Act like you own the place.
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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #114 on: August 25, 2014, 01:07:03 PM »
From the above website, Renee--

For three days King Richard III will lie in repose, in his coffin covered with a commissioned pall, for any who wish to pay their respects. Special arrangements will be in place to allow as many as possible who wish to visit to do so.

Go ahead. Sneak in. Act like you own the place.
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  It would probably work too.
  On our visit to York Minster; the volunteers manning the gate didn't appear to be too overly vigilant about who had a pass or not.  Admission was 8 pounds 50p, so you know there were some that were just strolling in.  There was plenty to see in the 'free' area so we saved our money for Edinburgh.
   All the antiquities over there have a price tag; the towns and cities have to maintain their own attractions with little help from the government, so we tourists literally support the local church/ruins/castle.
   I have little doubt there will be the usual charge to get into Leicester Cathedral itself, even if they don't charge extra for the Richard III viewing.  I think it would be worth it.

As for the original burial service back in the 15th century: Richard would have had some sort of Catholic committal ceremony; especially if he was buried in a church in (then) consecrated ground.
   The monks would have made sure he was buried with the standard rites; just not the ones befitting a king.   He was devoutly religious, and they would not have ignored that; however, unless someone payed to have masses read for his soul he would have been buried, possibly in an unmarked grave, and soon forgotten. 
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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #115 on: August 25, 2014, 05:42:05 PM »
From the above website, Renee--

For three days King Richard III will lie in repose, in his coffin covered with a commissioned pall, for any who wish to pay their respects. Special arrangements will be in place to allow as many as possible who wish to visit to do so.

Go ahead. Sneak in. Act like you own the place.
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They did invite us to see the remains lying in state, but if we have to drive 4 hours each way, I want to go to the ceremony.  I will ask my sister-in-law if  they have any provisions for people who live on the UK wanting tickets.  Maybe she could get them and give them to us.
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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #116 on: August 27, 2014, 11:36:09 AM »
An interesting article just published. It seems Richard liked exotic food. And here is how they found out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/26/science/richard-iiis-rich-diet-of-fish-and-exotic-birds.html?_r=0

Mine would probably say, 'She sure loved pepsi and pizza.'
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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #117 on: August 27, 2014, 12:24:26 PM »
An interesting article just published. It seems Richard liked exotic food. And here is how they found out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/26/science/richard-iiis-rich-diet-of-fish-and-exotic-birds.html?_r=0

Mine would probably say, 'She sure loved pepsi and pizza.'

They pretty much ripped this article apart on the SCA cooks list:

http://lists.ansteorra.org/pipermail/sca-cooks-ansteorra.org/2014-August/411765.html

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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #118 on: August 27, 2014, 06:03:06 PM »
Another good write-up on this information, in The Independent: Swan, egret, heron: Revealed - the Richard III diet

"The findings of the research by experts from the British Geological Survey and the University of Leicester will be shown in a new documentary, Richard III: The New Evidence, to be shown [Sunday 17 August] at 9pm on Channel 4."

Though I'm sure it will turn up in the states soon enough.  ;D
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Re: The search for Richard III
« Reply #119 on: September 17, 2014, 12:11:30 PM »
 Interesting article shedding light on the last moments of Richard III...

http://io9.com/modern-forensics-reveal-gruesome-details-of-king-richar-1635759052


 It seems to validate the contemporary descriptions of the posthumous treatment of the King's body.  His body was stripped (armor was considered spoils of war) and draped naked over the back of a horse.   Anybody who wanted to could stick a sword or spear in the corpse as it passed by, and many did just that.
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