Chainmaille Show

[Zardoz]

'stroller faire' like that one 

[Breandan]

Okay, for clarification's sake, Cory is the one who said it was about the risque clothing, not Terre. Granted, since Cory runs their FB page and is one of their primary PR people, and Terre is the GM, I would've expected them to be on the same page, but Cory has shown his propensity to run on his own without his boss' approval many times (most notably on this forum where he got himself banned). So, I will go with what Terre says, that it's not about skimpy clothes. That does leave a lot of questions, however, mostly what the REAL reason was. This matters to many people out there, because the same reason used to nix the chainmail show could sneak up and bite other vendors, acts, and mixtures of the two such as the Pirate Auction. Transparency is not a bad thing, and helps stave off rumours.

[Laird Fraser of Lovatt]

Okay, for clarification's sake, Cory is the one who said it was about the risque clothing, not Terre. Granted, since Cory runs their FB page and is one of their primary PR people, and Terre is the GM, I would've expected them to be on the same page, but Cory has shown his propensity to run on his own without his boss' approval many times (most notably on this forum where he got himself banned). So, I will go with what Terre says, that it's not about skimpy clothes. That does leave a lot of questions, however, mostly what the REAL reason was. This matters to many people out there, because the same reason used to nix the chainmail show could sneak up and bite other vendors, acts, and mixtures of the two such as the Pirate Auction. Transparency is not a bad thing, and helps stave off rumours.

Like i said... I want to know the REAL REASON behind it.  Most of us are intelligent, reasonable people... if there was a good and true reason for this action, most of us would raise any more Hades about it.  Cory seems to have his own agenda and it's personal, not business, IMO.  This is never good for either the people involved or the business, which i know about from personal experience.

[Sir Martin]

I'd appreciate it if those who know would send me a PM to advise me of who the unethical photographer(s) are.  I promise the info will be held in strict confidence ... just want to make sure I am not hanging around anyone who is employing questionable tactics at TRF.   Thanks.

[Merlin the Elder]

.... This sort of thing has happened at faires before, I recall there was one that told their vendors not to display 'pagan symbols' because a church group complained.  

Since my religion is pagan, I find that offensive. Unfortunately, many of the new religions do not understand the meaning behind some of the symbols of the old religions.  Even the swastika has/had good and positive meaning until it was bastardized by the Nazis.

Last I heard, there was freedom of religion in this country.

[Laird Fraser of Lovatt]

Personal note... I've found, in my years on this planet, that those who proclaim to be a "perfect Christian" are usually the biggest hypocrites.  Every religion has it's radicals but i find the Christian ones the most boorish... wouldn't it shock them to find out that Christmas is really a Pagan holiday that the Roman Catholic Church adopted to bring in the Pagans?    Of course, most of them don't know the history of Christianity and don't want to know... pesky things like Crusades and Inquisitions ruin their perception of themselves.  

*I concider myself Christian.  In God's Garden there are weeds as well as flowers... i happen to be that thistle in the corner.  The Lord loves me as much as he does the rose.*  


Ok, back on subject... sorry for the threadjacking... 

[SirRichardBear]

I find the atheist one the most boorish and self rightious.

[Rowan MacD]

Yeah, here's the Carnivale dancers carefully tucked away in their ever so period correct resturant;

When the are not performing they are often out front drumming up the punters. I saw this basically every day I was at faire this year, but seemingly missed all the Chainmail shows.
So I'm pretty sure the casual passerby is actually more likely to see some South American badonkadonk than chicks in chainmail, who might not any more HA, but are at least 'traditional' to TRF.

 Forgive me, since I am a non TRF-going Rennie, and as such may sound like a rube...
But how is this remotely Renaissance faire?  Show girls? Really? 
 It would be less jarring to put a McDonalds in there.    

[ravic]

Everybody chill.

Lord Randolph just announced on FB that there will be a show next year.

[Merlin the Elder]

In that photo, the MOST jarring thing to me is the signage, THEN the showgirls (ignoring the guy in the red jacket, of course).  This is State Fair sort of stuff, in my opinion (which admittedly means "squat").  However, what I want to see at a Renaissance faire, and what a lot of the Rennies want to see at a faire are really inconsequential when it comes to the business decisions that are made in this, a money-making business.

Looking at it pragmatically, which is the way I tend to view things, whatever it takes to make money is where it's going to head. From all I've gathered, King George (I think he's known as) is a business man. He's going to do whatever it takes to make his business grow. That includes gaudy signage and sexily-clad women. There is nothing wrong with that—it's the American way!  However, I'm more interested in the Renaissance way, at least visually.

The addition of sound systems in recent years has been rather well hidden, for the most part. Someone mentioned that Tartanic was non-period. I'm not sure how. The selection of tunes may be anachronistic, but drums and pipes are certainly period. How many pre-20th century folk tunes have become pop music hits? I can think of several.  The MIDI or recorded accompaniment to Cast in Bronze is terribly out of place, yet they are faire darlings...at several faires.

The fact is, we are all looking for something different at faire. That's okay. I'll attend the faires that satisfy my itch, and you'll attend the ones that satisfy yours. Bonny Pearl had almost convinced me to make a return trip to TRF, but I'm not interested in the carnival feel. That's not what I'm looking for.

I hope the chainmaille crowd shows up elsewhere...

[Laird Fraser of Lovatt]

Everybody chill.

Lord Randolph just announced on FB that there will be a show next year.

HUZZAH! Great news!  Now let us find something else to gripe about! 

[Laird Fraser of Lovatt]

In that photo, the MOST jarring thing to me is the signage, THEN the showgirls (ignoring the guy in the red jacket, of course).  This is State Fair sort of stuff, in my opinion (which admittedly means "squat").  However, what I want to see at a Renaissance faire, and what a lot of the Rennies want to see at a faire are really inconsequential when it comes to the business decisions that are made in this, a money-making business.

Looking at it pragmatically, which is the way I tend to view things, whatever it takes to make money is where it's going to head. From all I've gathered, King George (I think he's known as) is a business man. He's going to do whatever it takes to make his business grow. That includes gaudy signage and sexily-clad women. There is nothing wrong with that—it's the American way!  However, I'm more interested in the Renaissance way, at least visually.

The addition of sound systems in recent years has been rather well hidden, for the most part. Someone mentioned that Tartanic was non-period. I'm not sure how. The selection of tunes may be anachronistic, but drums and pipes are certainly period. How many pre-20th century folk tunes have become pop music hits? I can think of several.  The MIDI or recorded accompaniment to Cast in Bronze is terribly out of place, yet they are faire darlings...at several faires.

The fact is, we are all looking for something different at faire. That's okay. I'll attend the faires that satisfy my itch, and you'll attend the ones that satisfy yours. Bonny Pearl had almost convinced me to make a return trip to TRF, but I'm not interested in the carnival feel. That's not what I'm looking for.

I hope the chainmaille crowd shows up elsewhere...

You REALLY need to give it another go... 

[Rowan MacD]

The fact is, we are all looking for something different at faire. That's okay. I'll attend the faires that satisfy my itch, and you'll attend the ones that satisfy yours. Bonny Pearl had almost convinced me to make a return trip to TRF, but I'm not interested in the carnival feel. That's not what I'm looking for.

I hope the chainmaille crowd shows up elsewhere...

Thanks Merlin, That was tactfully put.

  My laird an I were also considering making a swing down that way about 2014, just to say we were there, buy a T-shirt, and perhaps finally meet some of the great people on this forum in person....but...after seeing that Vegas style whateveritis,  I don't think TRF is my cup of tea, and I know it's not David's .
 I'm sure they wont' miss us, and they won't care if they lose a couple of stuffy 'ol traditionalists more interested in history than sideshow.
   Perhaps we'll go to Sherwood instead ^_^.
  I do admit to wanting to see the Chainmaille show though.  I think that would fit in anywhere, and it looks like fun  .
 Rowen

[Sir Martin]

Glad to hear the chainmaille show will go on.  As for the Brazilian dancers, I have heard more complaints about them than anythng else in recent memory at TRF.  I wouldn't be surprised if their costumes were modified a bit next season.

[Riff Raff]

Can't say I have any problem with the Brazilian dancers themselves, but they could really use an actual samba band performing with them instead of the prerecorded music.

Back on the original topic, I'm glad TRF and Lord Randolph were able to work things out.