Snarked and Snarking~ How do you handle this?

[Adriana Rose]

Meh I have had a bunch of run ins with SCA folks and some are fabbo and the others made me not want to get involved with the group..


But as for the snarks all I can say is that there is alot of people that need to keep their mouths shut! Anyone who is gonna tell a little girl in her princess dress anything bad deserves a boot in the tush!

[flidais]

"did you ride your horse here this morning?"
"have you used a shower lately?"
"is there a visa card in your purse and american dollars as well?"
"do you want to bite me?"

That's how I like to deal with a garb snark.

[Acuisla]

I love this thread! I've never actually been spoken to about the historical inaccuracy of my garb, nor have I been complimented on my workmanship. I know for sure that my garb is mismatched and only partially historically accurate.  I have been reacted to as though I were a character/employee instead of a playtron, which I found entertaining. And my children certainly enjoy seeing Mama all dressed up.

I will admit to having snarked, and I'm ashamed of it.  I failed to recognize that, like me, many other playtrons probably can't afford to be completely historically accurate, whether because of time or money (or in my case, both). So I vow from now on to refrain from making snarky comments to my companions about others' garb, and instead to use it all as a learning experience. After all, how else will I know whether my thoughts about color combinations will work out in actual garb unless I observe what everyone else is wearing? And how will I understand whether it's worth my time to cartridge pleat unless I can look at gowns that are so constructed and compare them to gowns that are not so constructed?

It's all a learning experience.

[Cilean]

For me? It has made me want to do better, as I said the Laurel who did the drive by? Now shows my gear to others.  I can't wait to see the face of the seamstress who claimed the SCA did not have standards, my sons have correct gear with capes and hats so does the Hubby sans cape he would not wear it drat it all, and my MQoS gown and I am using the blue silk velvet forepart with the 6 months of beading on so it will flash and show in the light.  They both in their nastiness raised the bar with me and made me work harder, I needed a good kick in the butt to finish many of the projects I have had sitting about in my craftroom.  Now many are done, and I have had renewed energy to complete our 12th Night clothing!!

So for me, while it was nasty that the ill willed and stupid need to vent their ire and show how they do not espouse the chivalric or even to be civil to a new person....it made me a better creatrix of garb.

Cilean

[PurpleDragon]

"did you ride your horse here this morning?"
"have you used a shower lately?"
"is there a visa card in your purse and american dollars as well?"
"do you want to bite me?"

That's how I like to deal with a garb snark.

Oh... I like that, can I steal these from you?

[PurpleDragon]

So I vow from now on to refrain from making snarky comments to my companions about others' garb,

Does it count as being Snarky if you are only speaking to  your companions and not directly to the "target" of said Snark?

[isabelladangelo]

So I vow from now on to refrain from making snarky comments to my companions about others' garb,

Does it count as being Snarky if you are only speaking to  your companions and not directly to the "target" of said Snark?

Yeap.  That's basically the definition.  It's commenting on how other people look in a quick jab type of way.   

[PurpleDragon]

So I vow from now on to refrain from making snarky comments to my companions about others' garb,

Does it count as being Snarky if you are only speaking to  your companions and not directly to the "target" of said Snark?

Yeap.  That's basically the definition.  It's commenting on how other people look in a quick jab type of way.   

Oh, I understand the basic definition, but most of the examples given in the thread have been when someone made a comment directly TO the offended person.  I was wondering if it were still considered being a Snark if the "victim" were not aware of said comment being made.

[Kate XXXXXX]

I would say yes, if it was said in an unkind or derisory way...  Probably not, if given as an example of something not historically accurate, or what not to do if in an educative discussion of the differences between historically accurate and not, and degrees of accuracy and how to achieve them.  Context and manner of comment are very important.

[PurpleDragon]

I would say yes, if it was said in an unkind or derisory way...  Probably not, if given as an example of something not historically accurate, or what not to do if in an educative discussion of the differences between historically accurate and not, and degrees of accuracy and how to achieve them.  Context and manner of comment are very important.

I agree 100%, it's not what you say, but HOW you say it.  Personally, I see no real reason for someone to get snarky over HA of a costume or not, if you are NOT doing a reenactment of some historical event but are having fun dressing up at faire, who cares? You paid you money to get in just like everyone else right?

[isabelladangelo]

I would say yes, if it was said in an unkind or derisory way...  Probably not, if given as an example of something not historically accurate, or what not to do if in an educative discussion of the differences between historically accurate and not, and degrees of accuracy and how to achieve them.  Context and manner of comment are very important.

I agree 100%, it's not what you say, but HOW you say it.  Personally, I see no real reason for someone to get snarky over HA of a costume or not, if you are NOT doing a reenactment of some historical event but are having fun dressing up at faire, who cares? You paid you money to get in just like everyone else right?

Ummm, no.  Honestly, I've seen gorgeous fantastical creations at faire and then I've seen something that couldn't even be worn into a 7-11.   Being snarky has nothing to do with whether it's historical or not.  It has to do with how someone can pass by a mirror and think that is appropriate.   

[Merry]

I would say yes, if it was said in an unkind or derisory way...  Probably not, if given as an example of something not historically accurate, or what not to do if in an educative discussion of the differences between historically accurate and not, and degrees of accuracy and how to achieve them.  Context and manner of comment are very important.

I agree 100%, it's not what you say, but HOW you say it.  Personally, I see no real reason for someone to get snarky over HA of a costume or not, if you are NOT doing a reenactment of some historical event but are having fun dressing up at faire, who cares? You paid you money to get in just like everyone else right?

Ummm, no.  Honestly, I've seen gorgeous fantastical creations at faire and then I've seen something that couldn't even be worn into a 7-11.   Being snarky has nothing to do with whether it's historical or not.  It has to do with how someone can pass by a mirror and think that is appropriate.   

I guess the whole problem I have with snarking is the whole 'judgement' thing.  Unless it is a SCA fair, then whatever the patron wants to wear is fine with me.  Their entrance fee gave them the right to enjoy themselves, and if the garb they came up with doesn't meet my standards...well, that's my problem, not theirs.  I'll keep my opinions to myself.  If it is so inappropriate, let security handle it.

Merry

[Lady Renee Buchanan]

I can't remember which thread it was in, maybe it was this one on an earlier page, but the point was mentioned that if vendors at faire use shiny polyester, sequins, glitter,  and other "unhistorical" fabrics and/or trims, then one can't blame a patron for buying it. 

The vendor will say he is only providing the type of outfits that sell.  The patron who buys it may feel it's the most beautiful thing they've ever seen.  And in any case, if the person wearing said garb is having fun, well, I say "good for them." 

As long as it's street-legal, not one person who attends faire has the right to snark anyone else's garb.  Whether the person hears it or not, it is mean-spirited.  There's not a phrase "mean people suck" for nothing.

*gets down off soapbox and goes back to the world of peace, love, Woodstock*

[Lady Nicolette]

I second that emotion, Renee!

[isabelladangelo]

Anyone remember the whole Seinfield episode where Elaine gave another lady a bra because she needed one and then the lady was walking down the street wearing only the bra?  That entire episode was about snarking from the snarks point of view.   And yes, I've seen people wear highly inappropriate things.   To put it further in perspective: Bikinis are street legal.  It doesn't mean that they should be worn to a opera. 

Also, has I have said again and again, snarking has nothing to do whether it's "historical" or not.  It has to do with whether or not it looks decent/good/sane.