TRF Campground Wishlist

[Lord Dragonspyre]

Hence the term "proper security."

If there had been "proper security" at the campgrounds, those idiots would've never gotten that keg tossed into the bonfire, and the drugheads would've been politely escorted off the property wearing bright, shiny new bracelets.

Trust me, there were plenty of arrests made, to include some by the TABC.  The problem is, like in any city, the cops cannot be everywhere at once.  A Security Officer (Guard) cannot physically detain you, their only duty is to observe and report, they do NOT have the ability to arrest anyone, and if the guy walks off they have to decide if he is worth following after or just leave him go. 

Then again there is the issue of some a$$hat running around telling all these idiots "The cops are coming, hide your drugs", and well by the time the officer gets there, there are no drugs to be seen, and if they are not seen, unless he can smell, or see it, he does not have probable cause to search anything therefore they can go on with their partying as usual until the next "alarm" about the cops coming is sounded.

Ah, but this is where you have half of your police officers in uniform, and the other half in plainclothes. The idiots see that there are less cops around, making them think it's safe to pull out the drugs, when all along across the campfire sits a cop in civvies...

[PurpleDragon]

Ah, but this is where you have half of your police officers in uniform, and the other half in plainclothes. The idiots see that there are less cops around, making them think it's safe to pull out the drugs, when all along across the campfire sits a cop in civvies...

Oh, I am in complete agreement that the law enforcement could be handled much better out there... It is a matter of the fact that Todd Mission (actual city) has a police force of 2 or 3 officers, it was a city created by TRF owners based on laws and rules from the state governing permits and the like.  They would have to employ, even on a temporary basis, roughly 20 more police officers to make it an effective attempt at enforcing the law in the campgrounds 24 hours a day.

[Lord Dragonspyre]

Ah, but this is where you have half of your police officers in uniform, and the other half in plainclothes. The idiots see that there are less cops around, making them think it's safe to pull out the drugs, when all along across the campfire sits a cop in civvies...

Oh, I am in complete agreement that the law enforcement could be handled much better out there... It is a matter of the fact that Todd Mission (actual city) has a police force of 2 or 3 officers, it was a city created by TRF owners based on laws and rules from the state governing permits and the like.  They would have to employ, even on a temporary basis, roughly 20 more police officers to make it an effective attempt at enforcing the law in the campgrounds 24 hours a day.

Alas, King George seems to hold his purse strings rather tight... I'm sure that there are officers from local areas that would jump at the chance to work overtime as security.

[PurpleDragon]

Alas, King George seems to hold his purse strings rather tight... I'm sure that there are officers from local areas that would jump at the chance to work overtime as security.

Yes, the County Sheriff's are the ones that are patrolling the interior of the faire grounds, but mainly the security out in camping area is Todd Mission.

[LadyShadow]

Let several people bring the large zip ties.  If you see someone acting unlawful, bind them and wait for an officer to make his/her rounds and then take them.  Or is citizens arrest not allowed.  I'm not saying give everyone the right, that would get way out of hand.  But a couple of choice people who could make a level headed, smart decision, and volunteer to stay sober to do so.

[PurpleDragon]

The only drawback to a "citizen's arrest" is :

A) You could be civilly charged with unlawful restraint.

B) You have to be willing to take YOUR time to go to court and deal with all that red tape.

C) You, yourself could be charged with assault and battery based on the details of your attempt to restrain said criminal. 

While there was talk about just tying them up and leaving them in a large pile for the cops to just back the paddy wagon up to...hmmm

[LadyShadow]

Ok, cloak yourself in black, make sure they cant see your face or recognize who you are in any way and pile them up.

[eldatari]

What about charging $30 for camping with a $20 discount if you show a ticket?

[PurpleDragon]

Ok, cloak yourself in black, make sure they cant see your face or recognize who you are in any way and pile them up.

Oh, you've been to my camp then?

[PurpleDragon]

What about charging $30 for camping with a $20 discount if you show a ticket?

for the lack of amenities, it's not worth THAT much to camp there

[Messyn McCleavage]

There should be a simple "green" way of filtering rain water collected throughout the year and using for hot showers and flushies.

I sleep in my suv instead of a tent to keep out bad weather, bugs, and thieves. One large cabin (with stage) with those solid log walls will keep in noise for the really late rowdy crowds. It could be a safe haven for anyone in need of help to have easy access to, as well as a warm place on those cold rainy nights when you don't want to drive home in the traffic.

[eldatari]

What about charging $30 for camping with a $20 discount if you show a ticket?

for the lack of amenities, it's not worth THAT much to camp there

Hence the $20 discount for showing your ticket.  Therefore for our purposes it would end up being the same $10 it usually is.  I am not saying that we should have to pay the whole $30 then get $20 back at another time.  I am saying that if you show a ticket you will only have to pay $10.

Considering more police officers, requiring you to show a ticket, and other suggestions aren't good options as you have pointed out;  I think this might be a good alternitave to dissuade the punks who only come for the party.

[PurpleDragon]

The really unfortunate part is that unless we can all but STOP those "outsiders" (meaning those that are NOT rennies, or share our enthusiasm for the faire) from coming in, we will not be able to regain our tranquil campgrounds of old. 

I have heard a rumor that the raver kids have been asked to not come back and if they do come back they have been asked NOT to bring the sound system, lights etc with them, although as I stated, this is only a rumor I have heard so do not know if there is any truth to it.

[eldatari]

The really unfortunate part is that unless we can all but STOP those "outsiders" (meaning those that are NOT rennies, or share our enthusiasm for the faire) from coming in, we will not be able to regain our tranquil campgrounds of old. 

I have heard a rumor that the raver kids have been asked to not come back and if they do come back they have been asked NOT to bring the sound system, lights etc with them, although as I stated, this is only a rumor I have heard so do not know if there is any truth to it.

I think a $30 price tag would stop alot of the "outsiders".  Who would want to pay that much just to party and not have any amenities?

If we could get most of the punks to stop coming, I think over time it would stop being appealling to the rest.

It would be nice to have the campgrounds back to the way they were at least a little bit.

[Lord Dragonspyre]

There should be a simple "green" way of filtering rain water collected throughout the year and using for hot showers and flushies.

Only problem is that you need to store the rainwater, and to do so requires money and space for a storage. Plus, unless the storage container is hermetically sealed, you run the risk of stagnation, in which case the water is no longer useful unless you have a reclamation center.