Following Orders

[Monsignor de Beaumanoir]

A thru E would be fine. E especially maintains an adherence to the Templar Rule. F seems a bit out of place with the huge crosses cut out of the guard.

Working under a budget, trust me Brother, we all understand. Our appearances developed over time, although trips to the Outremer helped to finance some items. 

[Marcus of Ibelin]

Thank you, Brother!  I wasnt fond of F myself either.  If anyone else has an opinion, by all means, throw it out there!

I found this online during my research:



Obviously it seems to come from an Osprey book.  Anyone know which?  I cant find one specifically on the Hospitallers.

I hope to have some progress pics of the Ibelin Knight this weekend.

[Marcus of Ibelin]

Another arrangement for fortress jukebox..



Music Of The Crusades
Geoffrey Shaw (Performer), Anonymous (Composer), French Anonymous (Composer), Manuscrit du Roi Anonymous (Composer), Chastelain de Couci (Composer), Conon de Bethune (Composer), Guiot de Dijon (Composer), Gaucelm Faidit (Composer), Marcabru (Composer), Richard I Coeur-de-lion (Composer), King of Navarre Thibault IV (Composer), Walther von der Vogelweide (Composer), Charles Brett (Performer), James Bowman (Performer), Early Music Consort of London (Performer), Christopher Hogwood (Performer), James Tyler (Performer), Christina Clarke (Performer), Nigel Rogers (Performer)

Marvelous recreations of music from the time of the crusades
By Lawrance M. Bernabo

Of the "Music of the Crusades" collected on this very interesting album, several actually deal with the Crusades. I am always on the look out for interesting bits of music and film that can be used in history classes to bring the period alive for students and this certainly qualifies. This album contains examples of different types of songs, sung mostly in French and Latin. The lyrics alone are fascinating ("The French are degenerate if they refuse to support God, for I have warned them") and one song, "Ja nus hons pris," is attributed to Richard the Lion-Heart. Teachers covering the Middle Ages can certainly find a song or two to share with their students that will give them a sense of the times.

The liner notes by James Tyler explain that of the sixty-odd manuscripts surviving of troubadour and trouvere poetry, only a small number contain musical notion. Similar to the notation of Gregorian chant, these early notations give the performer a series of pitches to be sung without any indication of specific rhythmic values. Consequently, modern musical theories are used to develop these songs, taking into account the instruments of the period (lute, bells, harp, tabor, etc.) that we know existed from contemporary pictorial and literary evidence. So, I have to think that music students will find this album of interest as well. Performed by the Early Music Consort of London, I can certainly appreciate the effort made to achieve authenticity. Of course, we can never know how accurate these recreations are, but I certainly do not consider that a problem. I have been listening to several similar albums of music from this period, and this is the best I have heard so fa

Is it possible to give me a listing of the instrumental tracks?  Not a big fan of the singing/chanting.

[Monsignor de Beaumanoir]

Thank you, Brother!  I wasnt fond of F myself either.  If anyone else has an opinion, by all means, throw it out there!

I found this online during my research:



Obviously it seems to come from an Osprey book.  Anyone know which?  I cant find one specifically on the Hospitallers.

I hope to have some progress pics of the Ibelin Knight this weekend.

You may find it in Osprey's big book called: Knights of Jerusalem, or the smaller more specific book: Knight Hospitaller (1) 1100-1306 Warrior series #33

We look forward to the photos!

[Sir William Marcus]

Brother Marcus,  It appears that you can listen to any of the tracks via Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Music-Crusades-Geoffrey-Shaw/dp/B0000041XJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1239460591&sr=1-1

Here is another compilation that will transform you back in time...



4.0 out of 5 stars  I you liked the movie "Kingdom of Heaven"
Review by Jeffrey K. Castle

..and, like me, you are curious about the music of the time, then this is an excellant collection. This is a two CD set and seems to be a fairly good sampling of the music from that era. It also makes good background music should you need to focus on something else.

The only downside was that Windows Media Player couldn't find any album information. It's usually not a big deal to add the music information yourself, but the titles on this CD were the originals, ie. long & in Latin, Italian, and whatever else..

All in all, it was a good value for the price.

[Sir William Marcus]

Below is a visual of the Osprey book in which you seek


Tuitio fidei et Obsequium Pauperum

[Marcus of Ibelin]

Funny....I could never find that one before.  Searched today putting the "1100" on the end, and bam!...several show up!  Did the "buy it now" for $5!  Thanks again, Dear Brother!

Just another sign that....


DUES LO VULT!!

And I've narrowed the sword search down to D and E....with A on the outside looking in, heh.

[Brother Gregory]

I ordered Music of the Templars and Music of the Crusades from Amazon on Thursday should hae them Monday.

[Monsignor de Beaumanoir]

[Marcus of Ibelin]

Happy Easter, dear Brothers..

As promised here is a pic of the WIP Ibelin Knight:



Next time around I'll keep the coif mantle under the surcoat, for one.  I need a better belt (thats a stand in pirate belt), and of course the boots and pants are to be replaced.  I also ordered the E sword from above, so the LotR Theoden sword will only make its appearance here this one time!

[Monsignor de Beaumanoir]

A great start! We look foward to the colors of an Order! E it is then! Deus vult!

[Sir William Marcus]

Belated Easter Greetings Brothers & Sisters. 

Excellent brother Marcus. I like the long sleeves on the haulberk.  If you ever consider darkening it along with your coif, I have a technique that will give it that "I've-been-on- few-crusades-battle-look"

Congrats Brother Gregory on your musical purchases too.  I' am confident you will find them pleasing to the ear.

[Marcus of Ibelin]

Excellent brother Marcus. I like the long sleeves on the haulberk.  If you ever consider darkening it along with your coif, I have a technique that will give it that "I've-been-on- few-crusades-battle-look"

Please tell, I am interested in getting some of the shine off!

[Monsignor de Beaumanoir]

If Brother William has not sent it to you via PM yet, here's his secret as told to me a long time ago...

Soak it in white vinegar till it quits bubbling or to your discretion. The bubbling looks like little tiny fizzy bubbles. It takes a whiles 3-5 hours to complete its magic.

Make sure to periodically move the coif around in the vinegar especially if your doing it in a bucket. You will notice parts of the metal that doesn't received the vinegar as much as other area as some spots of it will still appear shiney.

When your satisfied with the look. Remove and  DRY COMPLETELY with towels.

Once you feel it is dried completely coat it heavily with WD-40.

I hung mine, and check on it everyday. I have noticed a little rust (and I mean a little) around my rivets.

I also use a steel brush on mine as well in certain areas to remove small amounts of rust.  It really looks good!

I have also towel patted mine here in the last couple of days to remove any excess oil and now it's ready to wear.


With this process it will have to be oiled after any outing especially if it subjected to heavy sweat as you can imagine.  A small sacrifice for such a great look.





BTW: *Nice avatar!

[Sir William Marcus]

Just sent him instructions via PM messenger.  It appears his maile maybe butted which will be alot easier & less time consuming to treat than riveted.  I gave an ole butted haulberk of mine a vinegar bath this winter, and it turned out quite nice with a lot less time involved than treating riveted maile.