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If you could make garb to match a portrait........

Started by DonaCatalina, May 08, 2008, 02:02:47 PM

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Kate XXXXXX

The first of a pair:


Dame Dorothy Selby, one-time owner of Ightham Mote.

Cilean

Quote from: DonaCatalina on May 14, 2009, 11:12:08 AM
Wouldn't this partlet be fun to make?
Catherine of Lorraine ca. 1570

Yes it would!! Awesome piece it would be I have a TON of pearls from the Gem Shows that come about bought like 40 strands for a $1.00 per strand so I could do that lovely piece without an issue!!!

I love her hat as well!

Cilean



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HawkMom

Here is the portrait I would want to match.  I already have the feathered accessories:   www.birdsofthegauntlet.renspace.com   
The essence of falconry is not in the flight or the kill, but man's relationship with his hawk.      --- T.H. White

Lady Renee Buchanan

I received this picture on an invitation.  I asked the hostess about it, and she had received a card with this picture on the front.  She didn't know anything about it, but she liked it, so she copied it onto computer paper.  She doesn't have the original card anymore. 

The gowns are 2 different colors.  That's how it was on the invitation.  I'd love to see the original painting to determine what the colors really are.  A friend of mine has offered to buy material and make me a gown for Christmas this year.  Although there are many gowns I'd love to have, I am drawn to the gown on the right, although the one on the left is beautiful, too.

Any help you could provide to give me the name of the painting and the website where you found it would be appreciated.  Thanks!

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operafantomet

It's definitely a Pre-Raphaelite style to that painting, so I would guess Dante Gabriel Rossetti, John Everett Milais, William Hunt or someone from their circle. I think Rossetti himself has a more classic flair to his models (poses and clothes), so I don't think it's by him - but I must admit the Pre-Raphaelites aren't my forte. I'm more of a "post-Raphaelite", being a fan of Italian Mannerism.  ;D

The style is inspired by the Italian art as of how it was before Raphael left for Rome (the High Renaissance). If you want to see what inspired the pre-Raphaelites, check out the art of Botticelli, Lippi, Pollaiuolo and other early Renaissance artists (as well as Medieval/Gothic artists).

The outfit in your painting seems highly inspired by Botticelli:
http://www.bergerfoundation.ch/Sandro/images/Img_big52.jpg
http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/86/Venus_and_Mars.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/isabelladangelo/12primav.jpg
http://www.historylink101.com/art/Sandro_Botticelli/images/03_Fortitude_jpg.jpg

Erm... I realize this doesn't help you in your search for the painting you posted, but at least it gives you some clue on where and when in history it belongs (Pre-Raphaelites in the mid 19.th century), and what it's inspired by (early Renaissance art, especially Botticelli for that outfit). :)

Lady Renee Buchanan

Thank you, this is great!   I'll start with the sites you mentioned and go from there.  I appreciate your finding the info for me.   ;D
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operafantomet

Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on July 11, 2009, 10:47:21 AM
Thank you, this is great!   I'll start with the sites you mentioned and go from there.  I appreciate your finding the info for me.   ;D

You're welcome! Glad it was somewhat helpful. I hope you'll find the painting eventually, or that someone else will stumble across it.  :)

gem

Time for a bump!  Found this at Festive Attyre. Take a look at that red gown in the back. Isn't that the most amazing combination of fair fantasy and historical accuracy?! Look at those fabulous sleeves!


Lorenzo Costa: Allegory of the Court of Isabella d'Este (detail), 1504-1506
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And Lady Renee, I'm 9 months late on this, but the picture you posted is by Kate Elizabeth Bunce, and it's called "The Keepsake."


DonaCatalina

Quote from: gem on April 15, 2010, 04:00:37 PM
Time for a bump!  Found this at Festive Attyre. Take a look at that red gown in the back. Isn't that the most amazing combination of fair fantasy and historical accuracy?! Look at those fabulous sleeves!


Lorenzo Costa: Allegory of the Court of Isabella d'Este (detail), 1504-1506
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Actually that red dress is a Portuguese style made popular by Isabella of Portugal.
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gem

#174
Wow!  And here's a statue of her:



Makes me wonder why we don't see this style more often!

If I ever figure out how to make a bodice with that high a neckline that actually *fits,* I might be tempted to give this one a try!

DonaCatalina

Believe it or not, Simnplicity pattern 2589 has the proper neckline and bodice for this dress. You would need to draft your own sleeves.
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operafantomet

#176
Quote from: gem on April 15, 2010, 04:00:37 PM
Time for a bump!  Found this at Festive Attyre. Take a look at that red gown in the back. Isn't that the most amazing combination of fair fantasy and historical accuracy?! Look at those fabulous sleeves!

http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/florentine/images/floren29.jpg
Lorenzo Costa: Allegory of the Court of Isabella d'Este (detail), 1504-1506
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I have a slightly bigger version here, if you feel like it:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/operafantomet/renaissanceportraits/ferrara/lcostaesteferrara.jpg

Iberic fashion was made popular in northern Italy before Isabella of Portugal. Reason is that there was various Spanish domination in Italian different city states in the late 1400s, and it was fashionable to adapt elements of Iberic dress traditions. The coazzone (hair roll) seen in Milanese portrait is of Spanish origin, same goes for the farthingale and the wide sleeves. Some of these features started appearing in the 1470s sometime, while Isabella of Portugal was born in 1503. So she's not to "blame" in this instance.

That said, she and her husband Charles V run a powerful kingdom, joining Austria and Spain and claiming more land by the hour, and directly or indirectly made Spanish fashion THE fashion in Europe. But that was in the 1530s.

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Baron Dacre

Quote from: Holbein on November 04, 2008, 07:35:51 PM
well, it's not a portrait... not even sure how authentic it would be... but it looks cool



I'm pretty sure that RPFS's costume trailer has a copy of this one. Our Shakespeare at the time wore it one season right after the movie came out....
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operafantomet

Quote from: gem on April 15, 2010, 04:22:40 PM
*picture removed*
Makes me wonder why we don't see this style more often!

If I ever figure out how to make a bodice with that high a neckline that actually *fits,* I might be tempted to give this one a try!

The trick with such a neckline is to place the shoulder straps far out. They're not suppose to lay over your shoulder like the straps of a backpack, but rather just hug the outer part of the shoulder, hardly touching the collarbone at all. To make them stay in place, the bodice needs to be tight enough over the back.

DonaCatalina

I wore my copy of this dress to Scarborough last week.
Though I used chocolate for the overdress and pale lilac for the underdress.
See hat in my icon photo .
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