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Title: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 02, 2015, 08:21:23 PM
Hello all,

Ok, I am currently a regular poster over at DeviantART and one of the things I take part in is costumes and cosplay discussions.  One group came along that that did costumes for themselves for the primary cast of Maleficent (2014).  They took pictures in what I assumed was a park setting but had older medieval style buildings that they used as backdrops.  Well, after I was chatting with the group for a while, they told me they took the pictures at a Renaissance Festival.   Now I have never been to one before, but I have heard of them.  I really have not delved at what goes on at one.  So I asked them and they gave me information on a Renfest that was fairly close to me in upstate NY (NYRF Tuxedo Park).  They gave me a link to the website so I could look up what goes on there.   So I checked it out and was completely blown away...I mean jousting for real?!?!  That alone is something I have to see.  So the group told me that they had a good time and it is a lot of fun to go in costume even for a first time.

Ok, so looking on line, the Renfest in NY is moderately far away (about an hour and a half trip), I would like to check it out.  However, as suggested,  I would like to go in costume. I have a whole family.  My wife, Myself and two twin 8 year old boys.

I recently have been checking out some websites where you can buy 'garb' but what I have seen was discouraging.  I have seen prices on some items vary considerably from site to site and that is for the SAME item.   One site had a tunic I liked for $108 and then two sites later I see the SAME tunic with the SAME picture, no less, for $70.   So feeling like the possibility of getting ripped off is high, I decided to sign up to this forum and drop a couple lines to get some advice on where to purchase Renaissance garb.

I don't have a particular characters in mind, but that might change as time progresses.  I know I have until late September as that is when the NYRF ends (It starts August and runs every weekend until the last week in September).   I will say that for a first time out I am not looking to go with something that is perfectly 100% accurate.  Furthermore I would rather go with something that is moderate in price, but something I could add on to and change up in subsequent years.   I am more willing to to go more elaborate on the wife and myself and take more liberties with the kids.

I am looking to do something that looks decent but isn't going to kill my wallet.  But I do want something that is better than a Halloween costume as I know those are horribly made and also cheesy looking (voice of experience having kids).  I don't want something that is so cheap it will fall apart.   

Another thing I am interested in is a site that handles plus sizes.  I am a fairly large guy and need something in a plus size.  My wife is fine though with normal sizes.

I would think in terms of a style I would like to go with a Nobleman, Wife & family look...not overly aristocratic.  I know when it comes to my wife, I don't mind fixing her up in something a bit nicer, such as one of those nice dresses with the fairy (bell) sleeves.   It is just that there is a bewildering amount of garb out there and I would like to put something together that looks nice, and is fairly accurate, but it doesn't have to be 100% accurate.   I am also looking for something comfortable as even in late September you can get fairly warm days and I for one get heated up very fast due to my size.

So in addition to finding a good on-line garb dealer, I am open to any suggestions and advice.

Thank You,

Diaval.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady L on May 03, 2015, 03:20:38 AM
Greetings!

At the top of the page is a stickied thread about Trusted Online Garb sites.

http://www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/index.php/topic,9744.0.html (http://www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/index.php/topic,9744.0.html)

There are a lot of them, so have fun looking through all of them! I am sure you will find something you like, or maybe several!
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Dinobabe on May 03, 2015, 10:04:18 AM
There are a few Facebook resale groups for ren garb and I second the trusted list of retailers as mentioned above.
For the kids check out your local thrift store.  You'd be amazed at what you can adapt from there with a little cut and stitch!
Do google searches for "renaissance faire" images and find looks that you like.  That will help narrow it down a bit.
Welcome to our world!

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/garb4sale/?ref=browser (https://www.facebook.com/groups/garb4sale/?ref=browser)
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Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 03, 2015, 10:59:19 AM
A suggestion from a Rennie since 1980!

Go on the NY faire's website, look at their vendors, and go to the vendors' website to look at their offerings for you and your wife.  Garb is not cheap!  My noble gown was custom made by Lady Kathleen on this forum, and if she made that gown today, it would cost over $1200.

Back to the vendors at faire.  Until you try things on, you won't know how they will fit or look.  I suggest that you go in the morning in mundane clothing, and head over to the vendor/s whose garb you like from the website.  You will know the prices beforehand, so it won't be a shock!  Also, I have never been to a shop at any faire where the salespeople weren't super helpful.  They will assist you in finding the correct size, show you how to put it on correctly (yes, there is a proper way to fluff!), and can coordinate an outfit so you won't have on piece from way different eras.

For the kids, I second thrift shops.  If you or your wife have any sewing skills, it is simple to take a large pillowcase and cut arm slits and a neck hole and sew seams.  Then take felt and make a crusader's cross and sew or glue it on.  Black pants underneath.  You have a costume!  Or black pants and a pouffy shirt, a sash around the waist, and a skull and crossbones bandana, voila, a pirate.

I bet everyone on this forum has a garb horror story, and usually t's from when they first started going to faire.  The best advice I can give is to try it on.

Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: theChuck on May 03, 2015, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 03, 2015, 10:59:19 AM
Go on the NY faire's website, look at their vendors, and go to the vendors' website to look at their offerings for you and your wife.  Garb is not cheap!  My noble gown was custom made by Lady Kathleen on this forum, and if she made that gown today, it would cost over $1200.

Back to the vendors at faire.  Until you try things on, you won't know how they will fit or look.  I suggest that you go in the morning in mundane clothing, and head over to the vendor/s whose garb you like from the website.  You will know the prices beforehand, so it won't be a shock!  Also, I have never been to a shop at any faire where the salespeople weren't super helpful.  They will assist you in finding the correct size, show you how to put it on correctly (yes, there is a proper way to fluff!), and can coordinate an outfit so you won't have on piece from way different eras.

Exactly this.

My home fair is NYRF (there are so few of us on the boards!). There are a number of great vendors at the fair: Moresca, Knightly Endeavors, Casta Diva, and a few others I can't think of. Walk through the shops, try stuff on, see how things go, and take it from there. NYRF also happens to be a hot fair (not southern hot, but you know how NY summers are hot and humid), so you'll probably want clothing that breathes well. Trying stuff on will help with that.

I'd also recommend going a bit earlier in the season; the last few weeks tend to be absolutely insane. A somewhat slower weekend would be good to shop around, and then go another weekend all decked out.

(Sidenote: if you have any questions at all about the fair, feel free to message me.)
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 03, 2015, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: Lady L on May 03, 2015, 03:20:38 AM
Greetings!

At the top of the page is a stickied thread about Trusted Online Garb sites.

http://www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/index.php/topic,9744.0.html (http://www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/index.php/topic,9744.0.html)

There are a lot of them, so have fun looking through all of them! I am sure you will find something you like, or maybe several!

I have taken a peek at a few but was bewildered by the selections and in many cases the prices are staggering.  Being that the list is long, I wanted to cut to the chase to those vendors that are good to deal with and affordable.  As I said, I am not going for 100% accuracy right now, but something that looks the part.  I can always upgrade later on should this be something my family enjoys.

Quote from: Dinobabe on May 03, 2015, 10:04:18 AM
There are a few Facebook resale groups for ren garb and I second the trusted list of retailers as mentioned above.
For the kids check out your local thrift store.  You'd be amazed at what you can adapt from there with a little cut and stitch!
Do google searches for "renaissance faire" images and find looks that you like.  That will help narrow it down a bit.
Welcome to our world!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/RenFaireSwapMeet/?ref=browser (https://www.facebook.com/groups/RenFaireSwapMeet/?ref=browser)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SCAYardSale/?ref=browser (https://www.facebook.com/groups/SCAYardSale/?ref=browser)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/garb4sale/?ref=browser (https://www.facebook.com/groups/garb4sale/?ref=browser)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/143532889075374/?ref=browser (https://www.facebook.com/groups/143532889075374/?ref=browser)

Thank you, I will take a look at those sites.  For the record, we don't have a spinning wheel (sewing machine) and other than patching things up, neither the wife nor I are handy with needle and thread.

Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 03, 2015, 10:59:19 AM
A suggestion from a Rennie since 1980!

Go on the NY faire's website, look at their vendors, and go to the vendors' website to look at their offerings for you and your wife.  Garb is not cheap!  My noble gown was custom made by Lady Kathleen on this forum, and if she made that gown today, it would cost over $1200.

Back to the vendors at faire.  Until you try things on, you won't know how they will fit or look.  I suggest that you go in the morning in mundane clothing, and head over to the vendor/s whose garb you like from the website.  You will know the prices beforehand, so it won't be a shock!  Also, I have never been to a shop at any faire where the salespeople weren't super helpful.  They will assist you in finding the correct size, show you how to put it on correctly (yes, there is a proper way to fluff!), and can coordinate an outfit so you won't have on piece from way different eras.

For the kids, I second thrift shops.  If you or your wife have any sewing skills, it is simple to take a large pillowcase and cut arm slits and a neck hole and sew seams.  Then take felt and make a crusader's cross and sew or glue it on.  Black pants underneath.  You have a costume!  Or black pants and a pouffy shirt, a sash around the waist, and a skull and crossbones bandana, voila, a pirate.

I bet everyone on this forum has a garb horror story, and usually t's from when they first started going to faire.  The best advice I can give is to try it on.

Yes, I have noticed the prices already.  But being the sole provider for a family of four, I was looking at something that is half that cost for the whole family.   Again, I don't have to go too crazy or be too accurate, but something that looks decent and that we can have fun with.

Thank you for the advice on the vendors.  That was one of my concerns as the medieval period spans a few hundred years and I am sure that there were fashion trends across that time period and thus I am aware that it might look ridiculous wearing a fashionable top from the 1400's when the pants were popular in the 1600's.    Which in one aspect, I was thinking more of a robe.   I find it harder to find something for a guy than a woman.  As it is with a woman, a full dress (or chemise / overdress) seems to be fairly easy to pick out.  But it is true that I could easily make the mistake of getting a dress from the 1400's and matching that with a hat from the 1600's.  Again out of place.   So that is my main worry about shopping on-line.

As I said above, I am not really handing with sewing something on a large scale like that and I don't think my wife is either.   We don't have a machine.

Yes, I certainly would like to avoid the horror story.  As it is I am already finding out that there are some sites that offer reasonable prices and others that gouge for the SAME garb.   I found that out after looking through some sites on that list.

Quote from: theChuck on May 03, 2015, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 03, 2015, 10:59:19 AM
Go on the NY faire's website, look at their vendors, and go to the vendors' website to look at their offerings for you and your wife.  Garb is not cheap!  My noble gown was custom made by Lady Kathleen on this forum, and if she made that gown today, it would cost over $1200.

Back to the vendors at faire.  Until you try things on, you won't know how they will fit or look.  I suggest that you go in the morning in mundane clothing, and head over to the vendor/s whose garb you like from the website.  You will know the prices beforehand, so it won't be a shock!  Also, I have never been to a shop at any faire where the salespeople weren't super helpful.  They will assist you in finding the correct size, show you how to put it on correctly (yes, there is a proper way to fluff!), and can coordinate an outfit so you won't have on piece from way different eras.

Exactly this.

My home fair is NYRF (there are so few of us on the boards!). There are a number of great vendors at the fair: Moresca, Knightly Endeavors, Casta Diva, and a few others I can't think of. Walk through the shops, try stuff on, see how things go, and take it from there. NYRF also happens to be a hot fair (not southern hot, but you know how NY summers are hot and humid), so you'll probably want clothing that breathes well. Trying stuff on will help with that.

I'd also recommend going a bit earlier in the season; the last few weeks tend to be absolutely insane. A somewhat slower weekend would be good to shop around, and then go another weekend all decked out.

(Sidenote: if you have any questions at all about the fair, feel free to message me.)

Yes, I know all to well about how NY temps and humidity can get and it does have me wondering why they have Renfests in the dead heat of summer knowing most people will be wearing (what I consider) fairly heavy costumes (or at least they look heavy).  I mean think about a knight dressed in armor for the jousting tourney.  Doesn't he cook in that can?

Luckily I have noticed that the NY fair does run late into September.    The NY Renfest is close enough to visit, but still far enough away to keep me from making more than one trip a year.

I live on Long Island and from what I understand they used to have a Renfest at Sands Point, but as of last year, it permanently closed down.  The only other festival they have on Long Island is the Pirate festival they have at the Maritime Museum.  The problem with that it is the last week in June.  It will be hot and humid and from what I can see on the overhead satellite shot, the site has very few trees to take cover under.  In addition it is only one month away.  So that is too close.  I might go to that fair just to check it out, but not in costume.

As for NYRF, I do recall seeing a listing of vendors and I had already checked some out, so I can go back and take a look some more from those vendors.  Perhaps contacting those I am interested in ahead of time might prove to be helpful when I finally get out and meet them at the fair.   Still I would like to go in some kind of costume even though it will be something to start off.

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Quote from: theChuck on May 03, 2015, 11:26:03 AM

My home fair is NYRF (there are so few of us on the boards!). There are a number of great vendors at the fair: Moresca, Knightly Endeavors, Casta Diva, and a few others I can't think of.

I took a look at those vendors that have a website.  I liked Moresca, but the issue with that vendor is that they have very little in terms of plus sizes for me.  Not sure if I mentioned that earlier but I am quite a large fellow and that does add to the challenges.   My wife and kids are pretty thin, so they will not be a problem.  I just don't want to go too crazy with my first endeavor out.   But Moresca's prices don't seem to be that bad.  One of her really nice dresses was under $300, but made of velour, my wife would die in that if it is a hot weekend.

This is something very doable for her:

http://www.moresca.com/product_info.php?products_id=68 (http://www.moresca.com/product_info.php?products_id=68)

There is plenty room in that price for accessories.  But the question I have is that dress seems to look a bit 'modern'?!?!


Thank you all for the information thusfar.

Diaval
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: theChuck on May 03, 2015, 03:00:05 PM
Quote from: Diaval on May 03, 2015, 01:17:15 PM
Yes, I know all to well about how NY temps and humidity can get and it does have me wondering why they have Renfests in the dead heat of summer knowing most people will be wearing (what I consider) fairly heavy costumes (or at least they look heavy).  I mean think about a knight dressed in armor for the jousting tourney.  Doesn't he cook in that can?

Luckily I have noticed that the NY fair does run late into September.    The NY Renfest is close enough to visit, but still far enough away to keep me from making more than one trip a year.

I live on Long Island and from what I understand they used to have a Renfest at Sands Point, but as of last year, it permanently closed down.  The only other festival they have on Long Island is the Pirate festival they have at the Maritime Museum.  The problem with that it is the last week in June.  It will be hot and humid and from what I can see on the overhead satellite shot, the site has very few trees to take cover under.  In addition it is only one month away.  So that is too close.  I might go to that fair just to check it out, but not in costume.

As for NYRF, I do recall seeing a listing of vendors and I had already checked some out, so I can go back and take a look some more from those vendors.  Perhaps contacting those I am interested in ahead of time might prove to be helpful when I finally get out and meet them at the fair.   Still I would like to go in some kind of costume even though it will be something to start off.

Yeah, there used to be a fair at Sands Point. It was run by the Kingdom of Acre (http://www.kingdomofacre.org/), who I believe was tangentially affiliated with SCA.

I've also often wondered why there are no fairs in our area when the weather is better. Actually, the spring Connecticut fair is coming up at the end of May - it's smaller, to be sure, but they also have some shops that could be good. And being in May/early June, it's a lot more comfortable. There's also the fall Connecticut fair (late September through October), which is also pretty fun. Apologies for the shameless plugging, but you may want to check out The Renlist (http://www.therenlist.com), a site (run by me) that lists fairs in our area.

Quote from: Diaval on May 03, 2015, 01:17:15 PM
I took a look at those vendors that have a website.  I liked Moresca, but the issue with that vendor is that they have very little in terms of plus sizes for me.  Not sure if I mentioned that earlier but I am quite a large fellow and that does add to the challenges.   My wife and kids are pretty thin, so they will not be a problem.  I just don't want to go too crazy with my first endeavor out.   But Moresca's prices don't seem to be that bad.  One of her really nice dresses was under $300, but made of velour, my wife would die in that if it is a hot weekend.

This is something very doable for her:

http://www.moresca.com/product_info.php?products_id=68 (http://www.moresca.com/product_info.php?products_id=68)

There is plenty room in that price for accessories.  But the question I have is that dress seems to look a bit 'modern'?!?!

Yeah, that's not a historically accurate piece; it's more fantasy than anything. In full honesty - and I'll defer to my betters on this forum - I'm not really sure that 'fairly accurate' can be accomplished on a low budget. You can probably pull off a sort of peasant look, but the intricacy involved in nobility pieces means more labor, which increases cost. Alternatively, you could try sewing the pieces yourselves, if you have a deft hand.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Dinobabe on May 03, 2015, 03:30:04 PM
Your best bet for a balance of HA and price is the FB resale sites.  Most of the stuff is decent quality things people have made for themselves and have just decided they don't need anymore or have outgrown.

I recently bought a very basic nobles set (man and woman) on a FB site.  I'm going to change several things to bring it up a notch or two.  In the long run it will cost me significantly less than making the set from scratch.

You may want to start with low cost and not worry too much about HA or even if it's fantasy or not.  Make sure you have fun first!  If you spend all the time, money, and energy worrying about doing it "right" you might loose the appeal once you actually get to faire.  Then you will really feel like you wasted money!  Check out a thrift store for your entire family.  Go early to fair.  You can always upgrade while there or take mental notes of things you see and like and look for them online.  Then go another weekend later.  The important thing is that you have fun, not that you are HA!  (unless HA is fun for you ;) )

Good luck!
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 03, 2015, 05:16:11 PM
Quote from: theChuck on May 03, 2015, 03:00:05 PM
Yeah, there used to be a fair at Sands Point. It was run by the Kingdom of Acre (http://www.kingdomofacre.org/), who I believe was tangentially affiliated with SCA.

Yes, from what I understand, last year was the last time they held it at Sands Point.  So I just missed it.

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I've also often wondered why there are no fairs in our area when the weather is better.

At first I thought it was because kids are out of school and that is why they hold renfests in summer.  BUT then renfests seem to only operated on weekends anyway, including the massive NYRF. 

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Actually, the spring Connecticut fair is coming up at the end of May - it's smaller, to be sure, but they also have some shops that could be good. And being in May/early June, it's a lot more comfortable.

Is that the Midsummer Fantasy Renaissance Faire?  I was looking up some clips on it via YouTube and so far from what I am seeing, I am not impressed.  It doesn't even look like they have jousting or your typical Renaissance Fair fixtures.  Even the small Lakewood Renaissance Faire in New Jersey offers jousting and knights fighting.   But so far the problem I am seeing (or not seeing for that matter) is that the latter two mentioned fairs don't seem to have much for the kids to do, whereas the NYRF clearly is chocked full of medieval kiddie rides and games.   While the NYRF is the most expensive of the three, it clearly outclasses them.   (BTW, the reason I picked these three renfests is because these three are the closest to me).


<< There's also the fall Connecticut fair (late September through October), which is also pretty fun. Apologies for the shameless plugging, but you may want to check out The Renlist (http://www.therenlist.com), a site (run by me) that lists fairs in our area.>>

This fair I am not familiar with in CT. 

Edit:  Actually I think the Connecticut fair you were referring to is this one:

http://ctfaire.com/get-tickets/directions/ (http://ctfaire.com/get-tickets/directions/)

The dates certainly match your description, but it says they are changing locations.  Hmmmm, so then, I am not sure where this one will be held.

So Renlist is your site?  Great job!  That is the site I have been using to find Renfests.  I have seen other sites but yours seems to be the most up to date.

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There is plenty room in that price for accessories.  But the question I have is that dress seems to look a bit 'modern'?!?!

Yeah, that's not a historically accurate piece; it's more fantasy than anything. In full honesty - and I'll defer to my betters on this forum - I'm not really sure that 'fairly accurate' can be accomplished on a low budget. You can probably pull off a sort of peasant look, but the intricacy involved in nobility pieces means more labor, which increases cost. Alternatively, you could try sewing the pieces yourselves, if you have a deft hand.
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Hmmm, not too good with sewing by hand.  My mom had a machine at one time and I found my way around that believe it or not, but she no longer has it.  My wife just can patch holes up and such.   It would look like I have to resort to buying something.  I might have to go with more of a lower class...was there something in between a peasant and nobleman?  Sort of a merchant or businessman type look?  Something a little bit above a peasant?

Quote from: Dinobabe on May 03, 2015, 03:30:04 PM
Your best bet for a balance of HA and price is the FB resale sites.  Most of the stuff is decent quality things people have made for themselves and have just decided they don't need anymore or have outgrown.

FB?  Fan based?  I am assuming.  Forgive me if I don't get all the abbreviations as I am new to the renfest world.

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I recently bought a very basic nobles set (man and woman) on a FB site.  I'm going to change several things to bring it up a notch or two.  In the long run it will cost me significantly less than making the set from scratch.

That sounds like an interesting approach.   As I was saying to Chuck, I don't have a machine to work with.  My wife? I don't know what kind of spell she could conjure up (pun intended...a dry Maleficent joke).  I know she can 'fix' clothes, but not make anything from scratch.   But I certainly figured that fixing up something existing would cost far less than something made from scratch or ready made.   

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You may want to start with low cost and not worry too much about HA or even if it's fantasy or not.  Make sure you have fun first!

Agreed.  Furthermore, I have found out the renfest I am most interested in, NYRF Tuxedo Park, DOES have an entire section dedicated to fairies.  So that is clear indication that the fantasy based garb is not looked down upon there.  So far that one does seem like it is quite a bit of fun and I can see there is something for the kids to do too.   I didn't get that impression from other renfests I was looking into including one that is fantasy based (Midsummer Fantasy Renaissance Faire in Connecticut).

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  If you spend all the time, money, and energy worrying about doing it "right" you might loose the appeal once you actually get to faire.  Then you will really feel like you wasted money!

Well, from what I am understanding as I am reading is that it seems that the historical accuracy applies more to those being a vendor or performer.   THAT I can see.   So it is not as important to be HA for a patron, but still I do want something that isn't so far off that it is out of place.

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  Check out a thrift store for your entire family.

What would I look for there?  I know that my thrift store does have a Halloween section, but it mostly that store bought 'plastic' junk that falls apart.  Furthermore, that plastic material stuff is the worst thing to wear if it is warm out.

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  Go early to fair.  You can always upgrade while there or take mental notes of things you see and like and look for them online.  Then go another weekend later.  The important thing is that you have fun, not that you are HA!  (unless HA is fun for you ;) )

As I said earlier, I do live close enough to the NYRF to make the trip, but it is too far (and too expensive) to go up twice in one year.  As it is that fair is the most expensive one out of the ones I been looking at, but it clearly seems to be the best one.   So what I thought about doing is going up and staying at a hotel overnight so this way I could get an early start the next day.  Then, like you said, I could check out some vendors and add to what costume I would arrive in.  That does seem like the best bet.

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Good luck!

Thank You.

Diaval
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Trillium on May 03, 2015, 05:45:51 PM
Do some online searches, especially in Pinterest,  for your particular festival or renfest costumes in general and you will start to get a feel for what you like, what is garb, and what is cheap Halloween costume.  It will help you see where to start.  Natural fabrics are always best, historical accuracy is not necessary. Sometimes you can get lucky at thrrift stores for things like long basic skirts and a peasant shirt for you wife, a modern style that comes and goes, baggy pants for you, pants for the boys. I always pick up a cheap pair of pants for my son at goodwill,  cheaper than the store.  You could also belts and shoes if you keep an open mind. The first time in garb won't be perfect, but it goes up from there as you learn what you like.  And we are hsppy to help!  If you enjoy it, i would suggest one or both of you learning to sew, it comes out cheaper in the long run and you get what you want.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Trillium on May 03, 2015, 05:48:43 PM
Also, there is a site, www.renshirts.com (http://www.renshirts.com) that has shirts for large men pretty reasonably priced.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: theChuck on May 03, 2015, 07:55:34 PM
Quote from: Diaval on May 03, 2015, 05:16:11 PM
FB?  Fan based?  I am assuming.  Forgive me if I don't get all the abbreviations as I am new to the renfest world.

She meant Facebook - the reseller pages that were linked to earlier.

Also, Robin Hood Springtime Festival (http://robinhoodsfaire.com/) is the spring CT fair. It's in North Haven, CT. King Arthur Faire (http://ctfaire.com/) is the fall CT fair. I'll update the site when I learn when/where the fall fair is.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Dinobabe on May 03, 2015, 10:04:22 PM
Thank you Chuck!

As for thrift stores you have to throw out your modern based perceptions when looking at clothing. 
Google images for "peasant blouse" and that might give you an idea.
Women's capri pants make great men's breeches.
Layered pencil skirts with the top one hiked up.
Formal or wedding dresses; cut the skirt off.
Vests; you might be able to find something close enough.  And, yes, they had buttons!  Not everything has to be laced.  Besides, this is budget costuming at it's best so don't sweat the small stuff!
Check this blog out.  She makes some sewing changes but, honestly, you probably wouldn't need to.
http://www.andreaschewedesign.com/blog/renfaire-wear-part-2-ladys-thrift-store-outfit (http://www.andreaschewedesign.com/blog/renfaire-wear-part-2-ladys-thrift-store-outfit)
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 03, 2015, 10:31:48 PM
Quote from: Trillium on May 03, 2015, 05:45:51 PM
Do some online searches, especially in Pinterest,  for your particular festival or renfest costumes in general and you will start to get a feel for what you like, what is garb, and what is cheap Halloween costume.  It will help you see where to start.  Natural fabrics are always best, historical accuracy is not necessary. Sometimes you can get lucky at thrrift stores for things like long basic skirts and a peasant shirt for you wife, a modern style that comes and goes, baggy pants for you, pants for the boys. I always pick up a cheap pair of pants for my son at goodwill,  cheaper than the store.  You could also belts and shoes if you keep an open mind. The first time in garb won't be perfect, but it goes up from there as you learn what you like.  And we are hsppy to help!  If you enjoy it, i would suggest one or both of you learning to sew, it comes out cheaper in the long run and you get what you want.

Good evening, your highness. I am honored that you have graced us with your presence (bows in reverence).

Yes, I am all well aware of the horrors of the costume made for the festival of Halloween.  Having twin boys of my own, I have had my share of experiences in dealing with poorly made clothing.   As such this past year (2014) I have taken it upon myself to put together a custom outfit for my wife, Maleficent:

http://ravendiablo.deviantart.com/art/Halloween-2014-Maleficent-Full-H2T-shot-with-staff-492002479 (http://ravendiablo.deviantart.com/art/Halloween-2014-Maleficent-Full-H2T-shot-with-staff-492002479)

No Halloween costume for m'lady as you can clearly see.

Well, for my boys I do not need to get anything extravagant and will probably look into the local thrift merchant in my hamlet.  Boys will be boys as they say and I sure then will get plenty soiled during the long hours we plan to attend the renfest.  For the wife and I, I did intend for something a bit nicer.  Not too much myself, but for her, well I don't mind getting her something nicer.  I will see where it is I can spend money on and where I need to save.   I think getting stuff for myself will be harder than for my wife.  As I am unsure of what style I should get.  Strangely I am a more familiar with women's outfits of the period than men's outfits perhaps because my mind is still fresh from doing research for my wife's outfit last year.

Quote from: Trillium on May 03, 2015, 05:48:43 PM
Also, there is a site, www.renshirts.com (http://www.renshirts.com) that has shirts for large men pretty reasonably priced.

Splendid!  Yes I did take a quick gander at that site and it certainly is a step in the right direction.  In the very least they do have my size in most items.

Well, thank you very much, your highness.  Hopefully we will cross paths in the future...in fact given my 'ren-newbie' status here, I am sure of it.

Have a pleasant evening (bows again).

Quote from: theChuck on May 03, 2015, 07:55:34 PM
Quote from: Diaval on May 03, 2015, 05:16:11 PM
FB?  Fan based?  I am assuming.  Forgive me if I don't get all the abbreviations as I am new to the renfest world.

She meant Facebook - the reseller pages that were linked to earlier.

Also, Robin Hood Springtime Festival (http://robinhoodsfaire.com/) is the spring CT fair. It's in North Haven, CT. King Arthur Faire (http://ctfaire.com/) is the fall CT fair. I'll update the site when I learn when/where the fall fair is.

Ahhh, I see. Didn't click as I do not use Facebook.

Yeah, the spring, Robin Hood one is too close.  I am probably going to pass on that one, but the other one falls in October.  I like that as I know I would appreciate the cooler weather.   It looks like it is nicer than the Midsummer Fantasy Renfaire as well.  But so far, it looks like NYRF seems to be the best one.  Even though it is more expensive than the rest, it sure looks like it is worth the price of admission.

Quote from: Dinobabe on May 03, 2015, 10:04:22 PM
Thank you Chuck!

As for thrift stores you have to throw out your modern based perceptions when looking at clothing. 
Google images for "peasant blouse" and that might give you an idea.
Women's capri pants make great men's breeches.

Ahhh, yes, and I have seen those with ties on the bottom too as those with elastic would be period correct.

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Layered pencil skirts with the top one hiked up.
Formal or wedding dresses; cut the skirt off.

And this would be good for?

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Vests; you might be able to find something close enough.  And, yes, they had buttons!  Not everything has to be laced.  Besides, this is budget costuming at it's best so don't sweat the small stuff!

Oh yes, buttons I know are ok. But usually for upper classes I presume.   Most garb I see uses ties.   However,  I know things like zippers, certain clasps, and elastics are out of period.

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Check this blog out.  She makes some sewing changes but, honestly, you probably wouldn't need to.
http://www.andreaschewedesign.com/blog/renfaire-wear-part-2-ladys-thrift-store-outfit (http://www.andreaschewedesign.com/blog/renfaire-wear-part-2-ladys-thrift-store-outfit)

Oh wow!  I am impressed!  That outfit certainly fooled me as it probably would most renfest patrons.

Well thank you and thank you all for the information.

Have a good night!

Diaval
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady L on May 04, 2015, 03:21:56 AM
Some of the larger faires also rent out garb for the day. I am not familiar with the area you are going to, but you could check their websites and see if they have rentals? Try before you buy.

A basic ensemble for guys would be a loose cotton or linen shirt and pants. I have seen loose pants (similar to sweatpants) but in cotton and then you can add to it as you find other pieces, maybe a leather belt. A basic for women would be a chemise, skirt and you could purchase a bodice (as they need to be fitted correctly).  After you look around and narrow down what you like, then spend money on that. I know some people who buy just one pair of well made shoes/boots one year and then other pieces the next year, for example. Because, it is an investment.

I made all of our garb, but purchased anything metal or leather. There's a lot more available now, than when we first went, more than 40  years ago.

Here's an idea, too...There are many videos on Youtube from faires all over and from different years. You might see some garb you like on there, to see what others wear.

Also, we have found many pottery pieces, swords and other merchandise that had been originally sold at MNRF, at  thrift/used stores in our area. You never know what you can find there.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 04, 2015, 05:58:01 AM
I just thought of something else.  When my husband wants to go lower class, he wears black or brown scrub pants.  They have a tie waist, and I use a seam ripper and undo the pockets.  They are pretty cheap, and no one has ever noticed they aren't $50 pairs of pants.  Or, there is a mechant at the Kansas City faire that sells men's pants that are 1 size fits all.  They go up to a 52 or 54 inch waist.  They were around $30 - $35.  My husband is a 2XL, and they are loose on him.  Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of the vendor.  Maybe someone on the forum will remember it.  Butch is from Kansas City, maybe you could private message him.  Or contact the faire directly, which you could go online for the contact info.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: isabelladangelo on May 04, 2015, 10:00:40 AM
I didn't read through all the posts so sorry if this is some repeated information!

First, ebay and etsy.  Seriously.   You'll find a lot of used garb on either one of these.   It really is your best bet.

Some general rules - stay away from patterns and stick to solid colors.  Nothing says "not right" as a bad print or too wide stripes.  As far colors go, really, almost anything goes.  There are medieval illuminations that show safety cone orange and rather bright spring greens as well a wide variety of blues and reds.   Lavender, pink, and several other colors are also quite correct.

Go with natural fibers.  If the vendor doesn't say what the fibers are, ask.   Cotton gauze, muslin, linen, linen/cotton blends, and poplin are all wonderful for chemises/undertunics.   Linen is the most common one in period but cotton (muslin) was also used in Italy and a few other places.   Always go with white or natural colors (the dyes would bleed in those days, think red sock in the whites in the washing machine but on your skin).  Saffron is okay too if you are going for an Irish look.   

The doublet/gown/ect should also be out of natural fabrics.   Remember, you can always layer.  Capes and cloaks out of wool are wonderful in the cold and rain.   Many outfits had detachable sleeves - making the same outfit good for several different temperatures.   

I might have missed it, but was there a specific time and place you were interested in?
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: LadyStitch on May 04, 2015, 10:50:17 AM
Just like went starting in cosplay you start with what you can afford and do, and you build from there.  We recommend going with basic natural fiber (linen, and cotton)  for your clothing.  Start simple and build upon it.  With kids I would say thrift store is easiest as kids grow quickly you can change out their clothing quickly.   Just like in cosplay the 'cheapest' way to make your clothing is to make it yourself, that is not always possible, but there are options available. :)

Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady Kathleen of Olmsted on May 04, 2015, 01:20:14 PM
 Not many vendors I am aware of make garb for Plus sized people. XL is as high as some go, unless Custom designed and  ordered to fit a larger body.

All of the suggestions are wonderful for starting out with simpler garb, then designing a character one wants to go with, saving up for better garb. I have male clients who are in the 3X to 5X range. They want to look good in their garb just as everyone else does.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 04, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
Quote from: Lady L on May 04, 2015, 03:21:56 AM
Some of the larger faires also rent out garb for the day. I am not familiar with the area you are going to, but you could check their websites and see if they have rentals? Try before you buy.

I have heard of that before at some of the really large renfests, particularly the ones out west, but I am not sure about the ones that are closer to me (NY).   The NYRF is fairly large though and if anyone would do it out of the places I been looking into, it probably would be that one.   Hmmm, let me see....

Yep, they do.  In fact they source the rentals out:

http://www.thebelrose.com/renaissance-faires.html (http://www.thebelrose.com/renaissance-faires.html)

The prices on the lower end of the scale looks good, but the upper end $65?  That is up there.  But one problem is that the site says they only go up to XL.  So I probably would style have to buy my garb.  One thing though the upper price range is $25 for kids.   Unlike myself and my wife of whom could build on our costumes and use them in the future, the kids may not be too into dressing up in period clothing.   So renting something for them might be a good idea.

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A basic ensemble for guys would be a loose cotton or linen shirt and pants. I have seen loose pants (similar to sweatpants) but in cotton and then you can add to it as you find other pieces, maybe a leather belt. A basic for women would be a chemise, skirt and you could purchase a bodice (as they need to be fitted correctly).  After you look around and narrow down what you like, then spend money on that. I know some people who buy just one pair of well made shoes/boots one year and then other pieces the next year, for example. Because, it is an investment.

Yes, I did kind of figure that you would start off with something basic first and then keep adding on to it and eventually changing parts up in subsequent years.

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I made all of our garb, but purchased anything metal or leather. There's a lot more available now, than when we first went, more than 40  years ago.

40 years ago, huh?  So you been doing renfests for quite a while now.

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Here's an idea, too...There are many videos on Youtube from faires all over and from different years. You might see some garb you like on there, to see what others wear.

Yup!  I been doing that already.  Mainly watching videos from the NY fair.

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Also, we have found many pottery pieces, swords and other merchandise that had been originally sold at MNRF, at  thrift/used stores in our area. You never know what you can find there.

That is a bonus, but I don't live that close to any renfests.  I live in NY on Long Island and from what I heard the last renfest that was running at Sands Point, shut down after last year.  So this year the only thing on Long Island is the Pirate Fest at the maritime museum.  But it is possible something might show up in the costume section, but for the most part that section is cheap Halloween costumes.

Thank you.

Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 04, 2015, 05:58:01 AM
I just thought of something else.  When my husband wants to go lower class, he wears black or brown scrub pants.  They have a tie waist, and I use a seam ripper and undo the pockets.  They are pretty cheap, and no one has ever noticed they aren't $50 pairs of pants.  Or, there is a mechant at the Kansas City faire that sells men's pants that are 1 size fits all.  They go up to a 52 or 54 inch waist.  They were around $30 - $35.  My husband is a 2XL, and they are loose on him.  Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of the vendor.  Maybe someone on the forum will remember it.  Butch is from Kansas City, maybe you could private message him.  Or contact the faire directly, which you could go online for the contact info.

Yes, I know Dinobabe mentioned 'repurposing' women's capris from a thrift store.  Hmmm still that merchant that sells the 'one size fits all' pants for $35 is worth checking out, if you could recall the vendor.   Trillium recommended renshirts.com and they have a few things in my size.

Thank you.

Quote from: isabelladangelo on May 04, 2015, 10:00:40 AM
I didn't read through all the posts so sorry if this is some repeated information!

First, ebay and etsy.  Seriously.   You'll find a lot of used garb on either one of these.   It really is your best bet.

I have not looked at etsy yet, but I do remember checking them out for a Halloween costume a while back and the prices are all over the place.  But Ebay might be a good bet as that was where I got most my wife's Maleficent costume.

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Some general rules - stay away from patterns and stick to solid colors.  Nothing says "not right" as a bad print or too wide stripes.  As far colors go, really, almost anything goes.  There are medieval illuminations that show safety cone orange and rather bright spring greens as well a wide variety of blues and reds.   Lavender, pink, and several other colors are also quite correct.

Well, my own educated guesses figured that prints and patterns (unless physically sewn in) would be a no no.   I did gather that the earth tone colors were more for the peasants and the reds, blues and purples were more of the noble folk or royal colors.   I remember reading something about certain ways they dyed cloth and that the reds, blues, and purples were very hard colors to do.  Where as the 'earth' colors were easy and as such were the colors wore by the working class and peasants.

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Go with natural fibers.  If the vendor doesn't say what the fibers are, ask.   Cotton gauze, muslin, linen, linen/cotton blends, and poplin are all wonderful for chemises/undertunics.

Would you happen to know which of these 'breathe' well?  Given my size, I do have a tendency to sweat and I certainly want something that is very 'airy'.  I am hoping to see if I could shed some pounds this summer.  I have to get used to walking around a long time anyway because if I go to that fair in NY, well, that one is huge.

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  Linen is the most common one in period but cotton (muslin) was also used in Italy and a few other places.   Always go with white or natural colors (the dyes would bleed in those days, think red sock in the whites in the washing machine but on your skin).  Saffron is okay too if you are going for an Irish look.

While I am not Irish, I easily pass for one.  I could pass for Scottish too...would give me a lousy excuse to run around in a kilt! 

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The doublet/gown/ect should also be out of natural fabrics.   Remember, you can always layer.

Yes, I am just started to grasp the layering at how the doublets go over the shirts.  The thing is my size + heat + layers = massive sweating.  I am hoping that I can attend a renfest towards the end of September, early October when things cool down, then I would be ok with something layered.

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  Capes and cloaks out of wool are wonderful in the cold and rain.   Many outfits had detachable sleeves - making the same outfit good for several different temperatures.

Detachable sleeves?  That is interesting.  First time I heard of that.

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I might have missed it, but was there a specific time and place you were interested in?

Nothing is etched in stone yet, but I am leaning towards late September, early October.   But not many renfests go that late.  I found one in Connecticut that does.   But so far, in terms of the place, I am leaning most towards the NYRF at Tuxedo Park.  It is a fairly large one and they have many permanent structures on that site.  They also offer plenty for kids to do too.


Quote from: LadyStitch on May 04, 2015, 10:50:17 AM
Just like went starting in cosplay you start with what you can afford and do, and you build from there.  We recommend going with basic natural fiber (linen, and cotton)  for your clothing.  Start simple and build upon it.  With kids I would say thrift store is easiest as kids grow quickly you can change out their clothing quickly.   Just like in cosplay the 'cheapest' way to make your clothing is to make it yourself, that is not always possible, but there are options available. :)

Well, from what I been reading above, the 'building on' concept seems good.  But with the kids, you make a good point about them growing up and in a years time they could outgrow something I buy this year.   Furthermore, I am not 100% sure they will embrace the period clothing as the wife and I do.  You know kids, they probably want to go dressed up in their favorite Halloween costumes.   But with the NYRF offering rentals and I could go that route and find out if they like to dress up in period clothing.

As for making things myself, well, if I had a machine then that would be easy.   My mom had one many moons ago, but sold it, so that is out so I do have to look into one of those 'other' options.

Thank you.

Quote from: Lady Kathleen of Olmsted on May 04, 2015, 01:20:14 PM
Not many vendors I am aware of make garb for Plus sized people. XL is as high as some go, unless Custom designed and  ordered to fit a larger body.

All of the suggestions are wonderful for starting out with simpler garb, then designing a character one wants to go with, saving up for better garb. I have male clients who are in the 3X to 5X range. They want to look good in their garb just as everyone else does.

No, sadly I found that out when I was looking at some sites and was happy to find some were reasonably prices, but that happiness faded fast when I found out the largest size they had was XL.  I am 3XL and very tall too 6'3"...yeah I am a big boy and yes, I would like to look decent too.

So what are some examples of a simpler / less expensive look?  If you have pictures to reference that would be great?


To all.  Thank you for your assistance, I am sure your answers are going to raise more questions, but I guess that is part of the learning curve.

Again many thanx all for the help!

Diaval.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: isabelladangelo on May 04, 2015, 11:14:18 PM
Linen. Linen. Linen.  All the way for breathability.  Linen wicks away the sweat from your skin.  My favorite chemises are made out of a linen/cotton blend - awesome stuff.   You can just wear a white linen tunic top with light colored linen trousers - there are plenty of illuminations and paintings showing men working out in the field with that and a straw hat on.  Seriously this was a thing (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/19.164).  It would keep you comfortable and look correct.   

As far as the detachable sleeves - oh yes.  Way yes.   

(http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AJoachim_Beuckelaer_Butcher_Shop.jpg) (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AJoachim_Beuckelaer_Butcher_Shop.jpg)
Joachim Beuckelaer Butcher Shop (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AJoachim_Beuckelaer_Butcher_Shop.jpg) [Public domain], by Joachim Beuckelaer (circa 1533–1575) 


You can easily see how this gentleman has his sleeves tied to his jerkin.   Both women and men had detachable sleeves - great for those days that start off around 50f but end up being 80f! 

I know it may seem peculiar to our modern senses, but carry a hand fan.   A nice feather fan will also help you keep cool. 



Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady L on May 05, 2015, 02:04:56 AM
"I might have missed it, but was there a specific time and place you were interested in?

Nothing is etched in stone yet, but I am leaning towards late September, early October.   But not many renfests go that late.  I found one in Connecticut that does.   But so far, in terms of the place, I am leaning most towards the NYRF at Tuxedo Park.  It is a fairly large one and they have many permanent structures on that site.  They also offer plenty for kids to do too."

No, she is referring to what time frame in history and what country (Europe or elsewhere) you would like to look like. Every country and region had different styles. Styles changed greatly from the 1400s to the 1550s.  :)
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady L on May 05, 2015, 02:17:42 AM
"Also, we have found many pottery pieces, swords and other merchandise that had been originally sold at MNRF, at  thrift/used stores in our area. You never know what you can find there."

"That is a bonus, but I don't live that close to any renfests.  I live in NY on Long Island and from what I heard the last renfest that was running at Sands Point, shut down after last year.  So this year the only thing on Long Island is the Pirate Fest at the maritime museum.  But it is possible something might show up in the costume section, but for the most part that section is cheap Halloween costumes."

We don't live that close to a faire, either! People purchase things at a faire, then decide they don't want them, don't have room for them or whatever and they end up in a second hand or thrift store. People travel to faires from other states and even other countries. I had customers from Europe, such as Germany and France, in my faire shop. Some people even fly in for the weekend. Merchandise is sold online or traded, all the time. How it ends up in my town, I have no idea, but it does.
I was referring more to accessories, such as steins, jewelry, swords, things like that. In second hand clothing stores, you could probably find a peasant type blouse for your wife, if you can't find a chemise, for example. Think clothing, more than *costume*.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: arbcoind on May 05, 2015, 04:11:50 AM
Nothing is etched in stone yet, but I am leaning towards late September, early October

The Pennsylvania Renaissance Faire in Manheim PA runs August 1, through the end of October. 

Gina
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Trillium on May 05, 2015, 10:06:51 AM
A simple outfit for you would be a basic peasant shirt with a belt and some baggy pants or a kilt.  The pics on renshirts are a good example.  You could add a vest for a little upgrade or a doublet for a higher class look.  You don't have to go for a specific time period, just having the right "feel" to the outfit works fine.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Gauwyn of Bracknell on May 05, 2015, 11:35:52 AM
Quote from: Trillium on May 05, 2015, 10:06:51 AM
A simple outfit for you would be a basic peasant shirt with a belt and some baggy pants or a kilt.  The pics on renshirts are a good example.  You could add a vest for a little upgrade or a doublet for a higher class look.  You don't have to go for a specific time period, just having the right "feel" to the outfit works fine.

agree - start with the simple stuff and shop at faire.  (I was asked once how I became an Earl - I said "just bought nicer clothes  :D )
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Dinobabe on May 05, 2015, 12:26:20 PM
And look in the women's section for men's options!  Poofy sleeves and pants galore.  ;)
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Rowan MacD on May 05, 2015, 02:22:37 PM
   Greetings and well met! You're gonna have fun here!

   Forgive me if I'm repeating anything , but after scanning your posts (I'm at work) I get the impression that you have never been to a faire before?
   I would highly recommend you do that first, in mundane (street) clothes.   Enjoy yourself. Look around. Check out the other folks.   Decide what you want to be, and then decide how to do it.
   I don't recommend jumping in the deep end, when you aren't sure you know how to swim.; or even if you will want to learn.

  Dressing as a Noble and not ending up looking like a Halloween costume reject is not cheap.
  In fact it's too expensive for most folks, even those who are serious about going to faire in garb.     
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Dinobabe on May 05, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: Rowan MacD on May 05, 2015, 02:22:37 PM
   Dressing as a Noble and not ending up looking like a Halloween costume reject is not cheap.
  In fact it's too expensive for most folks, even those who are serious about going to faire in garb.   

Even my simple noble outfit, which is still a work in progress even though I can wear it as is, took years of finding everything on super sale or free.  Even then it probably cost me at least $175 in materials.  That is amazingly cheap! 
I haven't done any beading yet.  That is the next step. 
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: isabelladangelo on May 05, 2015, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: Rowan MacD on May 05, 2015, 02:22:37 PM
   

  Dressing as a Noble and not ending up looking like a Halloween costume reject is not cheap.
  In fact it's too expensive for most folks, even those who are serious about going to faire in garb.   

Oh the stories I could tell of those poor unfortunate souls who did wear the cheap Halloween costume rejects...and very much regretted it.  Like the Lady who was told they didn't wear bras in period and the dresses were just tied tight enough to be self supporting...which doesn't work with poly panne velvet as she discovered after a long day in the sun and her neckline went from boat to navel (punny!!!).  By 3 pm, various individuals were offering all sorts of sunscreens (way too late, she was redder than the dress she was wearing) and veils to help cover and prevent further sunburns.   That dress was so stretched by the end of the day (and the trim was starting to fall off) that I'm sure it went straight into the garbage bag.   

If you don't sew, garb is very pricey.  Noble outfits are easily in the $1k arena if they are done well and with good quality materials at Faire.  Online, you can find good ones for $500 new, $300 used.   Stick with basics for now.   White linen t-tunic and light colored trousers are you best bet. 
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Rowan MacD on May 05, 2015, 03:19:15 PM
  Indeed, the outfits worn by my husband and I in my profile pic (now a bit different; also a work in progress) cost about $300.00 in materials to make; not including jewelry, hats, proper undergarments such as corset and farthingale (another $200.00) and accessories, like fans, boots  and pouches. 


   I just purchased a lovely french hood at faire in an oxblood velveteen for $85.00 (a steal!) to go with an as-yet-to-be-started project, for which I have already sunk about $250.00 into fabrics alone. 
  I also bought the pattern for it online (currently out of print) for $40.00.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 05, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
A kilt is a great idea if you are worried about the heat.  Look in the Scottish section for trusted vendors.  My husband's formal kilt from Scotland cost over $600.  Would he ever wear it to faire?  No!  I'd kill him!  From several vendors, you can get acrylic kilts -good for sitting on hay bales, the ground, or splintery wooden benches starting from $59.  Even for a big man, they usually only add an extra $20 or so for the extra fabric needed.

And all you need is a pouffy shirt, no doublet needed.  Jos Townsound and sons has the kilt socks for around $10 a pair.  My husband's calfs are 19" around, and they fit him. 

I'll try to find out the KC vendor and post it on here.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: isabelladangelo on May 05, 2015, 09:26:17 PM
Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 05, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
A kilt is a great idea if you are worried about the heat.  Look in the Scottish section for trusted vendors.  My husband's formal kilt from Scotland cost over $600.  Would he ever wear it to faire?  No!  I'd kill him!  From several vendors, you can get acrylic kilts -good for sitting on hay bales, the ground, or splintery wooden benches starting from $59.  Even for a big man, they usually only add an extra $20 or so for the extra fabric needed.

And all you need is a pouffy shirt, no doublet needed.  Jos Townsound and sons has the kilt socks for around $10 a pair.  My husband's calfs are 19" around, and they fit him. 

I'll try to find out the KC vendor and post it on here.

Honestly, I'd worry about a kilt if heat is a problem.  A period correct kilt is normally about 6 or 7 yards of fabric - not exactly heat friendly.  There is a reason they still wear them in the cooler weather of Scotland. 

A true wool kilt is going to be way too warm.  I have yet to find anything acrylic that doesn't feel like peeling paint on your skin in the heat - not fun.   Even a modern kilt - which what far too many people wear to faire sadly- is still a few yards of wool fabric.   

For someone that has issues tolerating the heat, I really think the something like this but in linen (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-5887-15th-century-pants.aspx) is the way to go.   That with a white tunic/shift top is something that can be added on to later but will look correct and be comfortable. 
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 05, 2015, 09:37:27 PM
Hello All,

OMG, there has been an explosion of responses since I was here last night.   I am probably just going to answer to parts of relevance just so that this doesn't become a big mess.  So I apologize ahead of time for hacking away at your responses.


Quote from: isabelladangelo on May 04, 2015, 11:14:18 PM
Linen. Linen. Linen.  All the way for breathability.  Linen wicks away the sweat from your skin.  My favorite chemises are made out of a linen/cotton blend - awesome stuff.   You can just wear a white linen tunic top with light colored linen trousers - there are plenty of illuminations and paintings showing men working out in the field with that and a straw hat on.  Seriously this was a thing (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/19.164).  It would keep you comfortable and look correct.

Ok, I will keep Linen in mind then.  Staying comfortable is definitely important.   That picture does look funny as most of the guys look like they are wearing sweat pants!

Quote from: Lady L on May 05, 2015, 02:04:56 AM
No, she is referring to what time frame in history and what country (Europe or elsewhere) you would like to look like. Every country and region had different styles. Styles changed greatly from the 1400s to the 1550s.  :)

Whoops!  misunderstood THAT by a mile.  Actually I don't really know, especially when it comes to the men's outfits.   Women seem to be easier to pick out for, albeit something along the lines of those 'fairy' dresses.  Not sure how period accurate they are, but I do see them all the time in movies:

http://img1.etsystatic.com/013/1/5873598/il_fullxfull.450346841_260p.jpg (http://img1.etsystatic.com/013/1/5873598/il_fullxfull.450346841_260p.jpg)

For a guy...well I have seen a few different outfits I like, but I have not homed in on anything yet.

Quote from: arbcoind on May 05, 2015, 04:11:50 AM
The Pennsylvania Renaissance Faire in Manheim PA runs August 1, through the end of October. 

Gina

Yeah, that is a little too far for me.  The whole point was to find things to do this summer/fall that are close to home.  I was disappointed to find the one Renfest on Long Island closed up shop after last year.

Quote from: Trillium on May 05, 2015, 10:06:51 AM
A simple outfit for you would be a basic peasant shirt with a belt and some baggy pants or a kilt.  The pics on renshirts are a good example.  You could add a vest for a little upgrade or a doublet for a higher class look.  You don't have to go for a specific time period, just having the right "feel" to the outfit works fine.

I do like the doublet more than the vest, but I have seen prices on those to be through the roof.  I think I might have to 'secumb' and go with more of a worker / peasant look.  But I don't want to look the medieval equivalent of a bum.   The only thing I am worried is that my wife would seriously outclass me.  I have a tendency to go more overboard on her outfits than my own.  I am sure you saw that link to the Maleficent costume I put together for her,  right?

Yes, I really don't want to be locked into a specific time.  Something that 'generally' looks good.   I have been kicking around the kilt idea as well.

Question:  I have noticed that it seems like the medieval outfits don't have pockets.  So then I most certainly would need some kind of pouch then as I would need something to put my wallet and camera in (two modern things I will be needing).

Quote from: Gauwyn of Bracknell on May 05, 2015, 11:35:52 AM
agree - start with the simple stuff and shop at faire.  (I was asked once how I became an Earl - I said "just bought nicer clothes  :D )

The only thing is usually the prices at the fair are more expensive than on-line.  But I like your reasoning.  Just buy nicer clothes to 'move up' a class or two.

Quote from: Rowan MacD on May 05, 2015, 02:22:37 PM
   Greetings and well met! You're gonna have fun here!

  Greetings as well and it sure sounds like it!

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   Forgive me if I'm repeating anything , but after scanning your posts (I'm at work) I get the impression that you have never been to a faire before?

Nope!

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   I would highly recommend you do that first, in mundane (street) clothes.   Enjoy yourself. Look around. Check out the other folks.   Decide what you want to be, and then decide how to do it.
   I don't recommend jumping in the deep end, when you aren't sure you know how to swim.; or even if you will want to learn.

  Dressing as a Noble and not ending up looking like a Halloween costume reject is not cheap.
  In fact it's too expensive for most folks, even those who are serious about going to faire in garb.     


Well, I do want a basic look then as I would think it is nicer to go dressed up.   But I am well aware of the horrors of Halloween costumes.  I have twin boys of 8 years of age and buying Halloween costumes for half of those years has taught me well about them and how they are made.  One thing is for certain, I am no stranger to Halloween.   So I know, which is why I have chosen to do something better and more unique for my wife last year.  Her outfit certainly doesn't look store bought.  Heck, she had REAL horns to boot!

Yeah, but I have been looking at 'nobelman' type outfits and I do see what you mean.  They are very expensive.  I don't mind going simpler even if it means a worker or peasant.  I just don't want to look like the afore mentioned 'reject'.

Quote from: isabelladangelo on May 05, 2015, 02:55:29 PM
Oh the stories I could tell of those poor unfortunate souls who did wear the cheap Halloween costume rejects...and very much regretted it.  Like the Lady who was told they didn't wear bras in period and the dresses were just tied tight enough to be self supporting...which doesn't work with poly panne velvet as she discovered after a long day in the sun and her neckline went from boat to navel (punny!!!).  By 3 pm, various individuals were offering all sorts of sunscreens (way too late, she was redder than the dress she was wearing) and veils to help cover and prevent further sunburns.   That dress was so stretched by the end of the day (and the trim was starting to fall off) that I'm sure it went straight into the garbage bag.

As my wife would say, "Whot a Disaaasta." (What a disaster)

As I mentioned to Rowan above, I am all too familiar with the troubles of cheap Halloween costumes.   

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If you don't sew, garb is very pricey.  Noble outfits are easily in the $1k arena if they are done well and with good quality materials at Faire.  Online, you can find good ones for $500 new, $300 used.   Stick with basics for now.   White linen t-tunic and light colored trousers are you best bet. 

Sadly no.  When I was younger my mom did have a sewing machine and I found my way around it when she wanted to have curtains cut down and new pockets made for the rods.  That is the extent of my sewing knowledge.

Quote from: Rowan MacD on May 05, 2015, 03:19:15 PM
  Indeed, the outfits worn by my husband and I in my profile pic (now a bit different; also a work in progress) cost about $300.00 in materials to make; not including jewelry, hats, proper undergarments such as corset and farthingale (another $200.00) and accessories, like fans, boots  and pouches. 

Yeah, those outfits are beautiful and awesome!  Really fancy.  Great job on those.   It would be a long time before I reach that level for certain.  As I said above,  I just wanted something that looks decent without me (or anyone in my family) looking like a medieval bum.

Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 05, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
A kilt is a great idea if you are worried about the heat.

That is what I was thinking.  I was often mistaken for being Irish and Scottish.  I have blond hair (whatever is left of it) and blue eyes.  But heck, this guy looks fine in a kilt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyaTYsB3OJM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyaTYsB3OJM)

LOL!  I know the music isn't to my liking but I had a good laugh watching this.  But I think what he is wearing is a cool look.  I like that kilt he is wearing too.  The strange thing is if you picture him near bald and with a bit more of a belly and no beard, well that is kind of what I look like.   Yep, not quite like Diaval in the movie.

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  Look in the Scottish section for trusted vendors.  My husband's formal kilt from Scotland cost over $600. 
  Would he ever wear it to faire?  No!  I'd kill him!

Oh, yeah, that I know.  I have a cousin in Florida that played the bagpipes in a 'Kiltie' band, he told me how much the genuine kilts cost.

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  From several vendors, you can get acrylic kilts -good for sitting on hay bales, the ground, or splintery wooden benches starting from $59.  Even for a big man, they usually only add an extra $20 or so for the extra fabric needed.

That sounds great. 

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And all you need is a pouffy shirt, no doublet needed.  Jos Townsound and sons has the kilt socks for around $10 a pair.  My husband's calfs are 19" around, and they fit him.

Yes, I have seen those shirts and they usually have a lace tie.   Want to laugh?  My calves are the SAME size.

Alright, thank you all for the information and again I am sorry for the quick and abrupt responses.  I was amazed to see how many responded.  I do appreciate it.

Have a good night all and thanks again!

Diaval


I'll try to find out the KC vendor and post it on here.
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Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: isabelladangelo on May 05, 2015, 09:50:27 PM
QuoteWhoops!  misunderstood THAT by a mile.  Actually I don't really know, especially when it comes to the men's outfits.   Women seem to be easier to pick out for, albeit something along the lines of those 'fairy' dresses.  Not sure how period accurate they are, but I do see them all the time in movies:

http://img1.etsystatic.com/013/1/5873598/il_fullxfull.450346841_260p.jpg (http://img1.etsystatic.com/013/1/5873598/il_fullxfull.450346841_260p.jpg)

Okay, for her then, you are looking for a late 12th century/early 13th century dress with angel sleeves (or wide sleeves).  They are really, really simple to make so you'll see a lot of them online.  (One of my friends used to call it the cut and fold dress since all you do is cut this shape out on the fold of  the fabric and sew up the side seams.  (http://www.mercwars.com/pattern.gif)

Add some trim and you are done!   You'll see a few on etsy and on ebay - again, natural fabrics are key.  The one you linked to is panne velvet and that's not fun after a few hours in the sun.  (I've mentioned before on the boards but I'll say it again, I've seen more people wearing synthetic fibers collapse from dehydration/heat exhaustion at faire or other events than those wearing natural fibers.   Not that you can't while wearing cotton - it's just more common for people wearing poly-dead dino to overheat.)
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 05, 2015, 10:16:57 PM
Quote from: isabelladangelo on May 05, 2015, 09:26:17 PM
Honestly, I'd worry about a kilt if heat is a problem.  A period correct kilt is normally about 6 or 7 yards of fabric - not exactly heat friendly.  There is a reason they still wear them in the cooler weather of Scotland.

A true wool kilt is going to be way too warm.  I have yet to find anything acrylic that doesn't feel like peeling paint on your skin in the heat - not fun.   Even a modern kilt - which what far too many people wear to faire sadly- is still a few yards of wool fabric.

Bummer!  I thought I was on to something.   While watching some clips of Renfests on YouTube I saw quite a few guys running around in kilts and that gave me the idea, why not?  Legs are open much like shorts.  Didn't think that with all that wool it would like wearing a comforter around your waist.   Still, those clips I saw were taken from dead heat of summer.  Even one clip was from Texas!

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For someone that has issues tolerating the heat, I really think the something like this but in linen (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-5887-15th-century-pants.aspx) is the way to go.   That with a white tunic/shift top is something that can be added on to later but will look correct and be comfortable.

For some reason, THAT looks warm.  But I could be mistaken.  But...they don't have my size.

Quote from: isabelladangelo on May 05, 2015, 09:50:27 PM
Okay, for her then, you are looking for a late 12th century/early 13th century dress with angel sleeves (or wide sleeves).  They are really, really simple to make so you'll see a lot of them online.  (One of my friends used to call it the cut and fold dress since all you do is cut this shape out on the fold of  the fabric and sew up the side seams. Add some trim and you are done!  You'll see a few on etsy and on ebay - again, natural fabrics are key.

Ok, I will take a look there.

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  The one you linked to is panne velvet and that's not fun after a few hours in the sun.

Oh, no, I only linked to that one for the style.  It would certainly would have to be made from a lighter material.

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  (I've mentioned before on the boards but I'll say it again, I've seen more people wearing synthetic fibers collapse from dehydration/heat exhaustion at faire or other events than those wearing natural fibers.   Not that you can't while wearing cotton - it's just more common for people wearing poly-dead dino to overheat.)

It does kind of make you wonder why faire organizers hold Renfests in the dead heat of summer?   I don't get that part.  Don't they realize that the nature of the bulk of these costumes should dictate running fairs in cooler weather?   As it is I find that the majority of the renfests run in August.  But there were at least two I came across that ran in JULY?!?!?!?   There are some that run to late September and only a handful in the more weather appropriate October.     Now I am not just talking about those people walking around.  What about the performers or worse the people dressed in armor as knights for the jousting tourney and fighting?  You figure they HAVE to be cooking in that can!

Diaval
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 06, 2015, 05:49:04 AM
About the kilt.  Bristol is during July and August through Labor Day.  The usual summer temps range from the lower 90's to over 100 degrees, humidity between 90 to 95%.  On those days, my husband specifically wears his kilt with just a shirt.  Again, you wouldn't wear an expensive, 8 or 9 yards  wool kilt to faire, but judging from the huge amount of guys at Bristol wearing kilts when it's hot, it seems to be their go to choice for the weather.  Sure, an acrylic kilt is not wool, but even though it's acrylic, Steve finds it much cooler than wearing regular garb.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: isabelladangelo on May 06, 2015, 05:51:03 AM
QuoteIt does kind of make you wonder why faire organizers hold Renfests in the dead heat of summer?   I don't get that part.  Don't they realize that the nature of the bulk of these costumes should dictate running fairs in cooler weather?

Because schools out.  :-)   That really is the entire reason.   

Also, I don't want to completely discourage you from wearing a great kilt if you want - they do look wonderful when done correctly.  Just know they are wool and they are many, many yards of material.  Now, since most of your heat loss comes from your neck/shoulders/chest area, you might be okay with a kilt.   However, since you said heat was a problem, I wanted to make sure you understand what you are getting into.

Also, the more skin that is covered by hankyweight/lightweight material, the better you will be in the sun.  The reason people in the Middle East cover up isn't just religious - it's because lightweight material helps to create a natural sunscreen like barrier between you and the sun.  No sunburns!  Also, the material will help keep the sweat off of you.  You will be MUCH cooler with a long sleeves puffy white cotton or linen tunic/shift that with your regular t-shirt. 
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 06, 2015, 06:01:35 AM
I don't think he is talking about wearing a great kilt.  We are talking about a $59 Econokilt, which would be fine, since the family is not going for historical accuracy, and at this point, price is a huge consideration.

Steve in Arizona last winter at 95 degrees in his kilt.

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/LadyReneeBuchanan/DSCN1535_zps3e44f7d2.jpg) (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/LadyReneeBuchanan/media/DSCN1535_zps3e44f7d2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: isabelladangelo on May 06, 2015, 07:44:50 AM
I understand and I mentioned modern kilts versus historically accurate kilts earlier. Still, if someone has heat problems, natural fibers are going to be the way to go (and are a good idea even without heat issues).   
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Trillium on May 06, 2015, 11:01:30 AM
The Malificent outfit was wonderful!!  Don't know about NYRF but she would fit in fine at any of the faires here in TX.  If you want the family to match that is great, but you don't have to.  My hubby always wears his barbarian/dwarf costume, my son is currently into knights tunics, and mine varies between fae, pirate, and gypsy depending on mood and weather.  Don't think we have ever been looked at strangely for it.  (If we were, I didn't notice!).

Most people get pouches that attach to belts to put your stuff in, you can find them all over the internet and at faire.  Prices vary greatly depending fabric, style, size, and intricacy.  Ladies can also use baskets or pouches with loops to hold on their wrist.  But, you may also be able to find some pants with pockets, they will most likely be covered by your tunic anyway and its a modern convenience that no one would bat an eye at.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Orphena on May 06, 2015, 01:45:30 PM
You already have lots of advice, but a little bit more!

For you - Shirt in 100% cotton or 100% linen. Loose baggy pants (modern is fine to start) or kilt, belt with pouch to hold the necessities.  HAT (trust me - hats are your friends!) - look for a straw hat, or make that your first purchase of the day. Footwear is usually expensive, so stick with whatever you have to be comfortable in.

For your wife - Shirt in 100% cotton or 100% linen. Bodice (which is the female top - sometimes boned - likely best to get this at faire to ensure fit. Long, loose skirt - or layer 2. HAT. Footwear as you find it. (Under floor length skirts, your feet are not as visible.)

For the kids - Pants or shorts, plus a shirt. For a pirate look, add a sash, a bandana and a hat.  For a knight look, procure a tunic, and a helmet. Or leave the accessories off, and let them pick what they like at faire.

I'm sure you will have fun! Watch the parking situation at the faire - if I remember correctly, it could be quite a hike in - or arrive nice and early, and pay the $10 to park in preferred parking, which is right across from the gate. 
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Rowan MacD on May 06, 2015, 02:02:25 PM
  You can dress as anything you want to while going as a Patron;  Star Trek, Dr Who, Barbarians, you name it..How the paying Patrons want to dress is of little importance; as long as it's family friendly (rated PG) and your costume isn't a danger to anyone else.
Personally, I went to faire for 3 years before I started going in garb. I dressed as a wench for my first 5 years, a pirate for 5 and finally graduated to Noble; which I still alternate with Celtic for hot weather. 
  The only people who have to dress period correct (or as nearly as possible) are cast and sometimes venders.

  Don't worry about 'fitting in' on your first few trips.   Dressing up is half the fun, and you don't have to obey any 'rules' if you don't want to.   Nobody is going to mock you. 
   Heck, you can go as Donald Duck and his Nephews if you want.  We have more video game and anime characters than anything anymore.  Just dress comfortably and enjoy yourselves at the shows.  Take the opportunity to shop and observe.

  As for pouches and bags-I used a plain suede 'messenger bag' style purse my first year in garb, until I could find a cheap pouch (which I still have).   I took off the purse decorations that looked modern, and voila! I had something secure to hold my wallet, camera, sunscreen and eye drops (for dust).
    Many faires do not allow weapons of any sort (even peace tied ones), so, before you invest in a nice sword or battle axe-check to see if it's OK to bring it in. 
   Note: Just because there are vendors who sell the aforementioned weapons on site, does NOT mean you are allowed to wear/carry them while at faire.  In this case-if you buy a weapon from an onsite vendor; you will have to pick it up at the gate as you leave.  You cannot bring it back in.
  For example: KCRF does not allow any weapons to be brought in by patrons. At all. Period.   I've seen them pitch a fit over an eating knife.  You will have to leave it in your car.  Only cast members are allowed to wear/carry weapons.
   
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: PollyPoPo on May 06, 2015, 09:14:54 PM
Diaval, welcome to the world of Faires.

So, now you're seeing the extent of your question and the diversity of ren garb.  Garb can run ridiculously expensive, even if one is not going noble.  Merchant class  garb for a man in Sunday clothes (as opposed to every day work clothes) is still going to cost quite a bit, especially for something a faire-goer only wears once or twice a year (you say you will only be making one weekend trip this year). 

As you have found, if one tries to be anywhere near historically accurate, it gets even more difficult to find something on-line.  Unless you can make your own, you will end up paying for the actual construction, at approximately 4 to 1 or 5 to 1.  If the materials cost $100, expect to pay $400-$500 for the finished garment. When you get up close, you will begin to see why it is called garb and not costumes.

You mention costumes and cosplay.  Garb is a whole different category.  Faires are outdoor events, so what works on-stage or in an exhibition hall might not last an hour outside.  Rather than thinking Halloween, compare men's merchant class garb to buying a three-piece suit at a not-quite high-end men's store.  A dress shirt at Brooks Bros will run about $100 for the lowest quality and then add 10% for the larger sizes.  A dress suit (pants and jacket) start about $500, but most run $1000, then add the extra for big guys.  (Can you guess we've got some big guys in our family?)

You have already found Renshirts.  I do have personal knowledge of their products.  They have a limited number of styles for men; not noble or even merchant class, but their clothing is very well made and will last.  It is cotton, machine washable, and wearable.  AND it will not cost you a fortune to get started.

Unlike many other stores, they do make shirts and pants that are actually sized to fit big and tall men (as in XXXL rather than a skimpy XL).  The shirts are made with a straight line from under arm to bottom.  They do not have the slits up the side like modern men's dress shirts.   

The gauze shirts are definitely the cooler way to go, but the others have more "heft" to them.  The neck lacings (especially the leather ones) need to be removed when you wash the clothing, but otherwise it is wash and wear.  If you have very muscular lower legs, you might call them and ask for the actual measurement of the cuffed legs or go with the draw string ones.  (Also ask about hidden pockets – just a thought.) 

So, once you have a shirt and breeches, you can start adding.  First outing, wear one of your regular belts (or two or three to add more mass), fastened loosely to give it some droop if you can; add a piece of fabric knotted around the clasp and hanging down – tie it at the bottom to make it look like a pouch.  That will hide the modern look of the belt and break up the vertical mass of your appearance. Add a pair of leather sandals if you have them.   If you end up wearing running shoes, so be it.  Depending on your head (and hair or lack of it), you might want a hat as someone mentioned.  Just something to keep from getting burned.  Or get a big square of cloth, knot each of the ends and wear it like a sailor might when working in the sun.  Add a big gold hoop earring (either in your own pierced ear or a screw back from grandma's box of costume jewelry) and you'll make a passable pirate. 

Oh, and bring some kind of a big bag to carry stuff in, the knotted kind work or something that looks like a big canvas bag thrown over your shoulder.  With 8 year old boys, you'll probably ending up carrying at least part of their booty around during the day.  And plastic baggies, a couple that are gallon size, to stash the partly eaten turkey leg they swear they are going to finish later.  You will need drinking water; some faires let you bring in your own; others sell it and frown on bringing your own.  Most larger faires do not allow outside food.

Keep in mind when you look at pictures that the basic garb of clothing is only the start.  If someone is wearing a hat, a belt, a pouch, shoes/boots, stockings, weapons, they probably did not buy it all at once before going to their first faire.  Expect to experience sticker shock, particularly on hats and boots.   

Once you are actually in a faire, you can decide if you still want to add to your garb right away or just make that first time a watching experience.  The odds are you'll be coming back next year and the next and the next.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 06, 2015, 10:28:21 PM
Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 06, 2015, 05:49:04 AM
About the kilt.  Bristol is during July and August through Labor Day.  The usual summer temps range from the lower 90's to over 100 degrees, humidity between 90 to 95%.  On those days, my husband specifically wears his kilt with just a shirt.  Again, you wouldn't wear an expensive, 8 or 9 yards  wool kilt to faire, but judging from the huge amount of guys at Bristol wearing kilts when it's hot, it seems to be their go to choice for the weather.  Sure, an acrylic kilt is not wool, but even though it's acrylic, Steve finds it much cooler than wearing regular garb.

Well, it certainly doesn't get that hot up here in NY during September / October.  Sure you might have a rouge day in the upper 80's, but very rare it hits 90 late in the season.   Anyway, if the temperature got that high, I certainly wouldn't go that weekend.  I am amazed that you go out when it is that hot.  So the acrylic is cooler?

Quote from: isabelladangelo on May 06, 2015, 05:51:03 AM
QuoteIt does kind of make you wonder why faire organizers hold Renfests in the dead heat of summer?   I don't get that part.  Don't they realize that the nature of the bulk of these costumes should dictate running fairs in cooler weather?

Because schools out.  :-)   That really is the entire reason.   

Normally that would be the case, but I have noticed that even in the summer, renfests primarily operated on the weekends and not during the week.

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Also, I don't want to completely discourage you from wearing a great kilt if you want - they do look wonderful when done correctly.  Just know they are wool and they are many, many yards of material.  Now, since most of your heat loss comes from your neck/shoulders/chest area, you might be okay with a kilt.   However, since you said heat was a problem, I wanted to make sure you understand what you are getting into.

Understood.  I am not sold on that style.  I just figured it might be an option.  But I do sweat most from the head and just above the stomach area and on the back more than the legs.

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Also, the more skin that is covered by hankyweight/lightweight material, the better you will be in the sun.  The reason people in the Middle East cover up isn't just religious - it's because lightweight material helps to create a natural sunscreen like barrier between you and the sun.  No sunburns!  Also, the material will help keep the sweat off of you.  You will be MUCH cooler with a long sleeves puffy white cotton or linen tunic/shift that with your regular t-shirt. 

Sounds great.   Yeah, that is another issue too being also fair skinned.  That is why the first thing I look for when scoping out a renfest site is trees and lots of them.  The more shade the better.

Thank You.

Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 06, 2015, 06:01:35 AM
I don't think he is talking about wearing a great kilt.  We are talking about a $59 Econokilt, which would be fine, since the family is not going for historical accuracy, and at this point, price is a huge consideration.

Steve in Arizona last winter at 95 degrees in his kilt.


His outfit looks great.  I am about his size, but taller.   It is certainly a look I am going to take into consideration.  By the way, I saw your other outfits on Photobucket.   The all look great...amazing! 

This is another look I like on the both of you:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/LadyReneeBuchanan/DSCN1551_zps7a1ba33f.jpg (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/LadyReneeBuchanan/DSCN1551_zps7a1ba33f.jpg)

Both yours and his outfits are great.   I love the sleeves and the overall look on your dress.  I could see my wife in that easily.   Did you make all of those outfits yourself? 

Wow! all those pictures are great food for thought.  I had fun just looking through them!

Quote from: isabelladangelo on May 06, 2015, 07:44:50 AM
I understand and I mentioned modern kilts versus historically accurate kilts earlier. Still, if someone has heat problems, natural fibers are going to be the way to go (and are a good idea even without heat issues).   

Well, her husband seems to be around my size and she said that he was fine in 95 degree heat.  But, I am NOT going to go out to a fair on any day that is over 85.   Also I am not 100% sure I would go with the kilt.  I do like the look though.  But there are other looks I am taking a liking to as well.   But for the top I would like to ebb on the side of safety and go with a Linen or other natural fiber as the upper body is where I am prone to sweating.

Quote from: Trillium on May 06, 2015, 11:01:30 AM
The Malificent outfit was wonderful!!  Don't know about NYRF but she would fit in fine at any of the faires here in TX.  If you want the family to match that is great, but you don't have to.  My hubby always wears his barbarian/dwarf costume, my son is currently into knights tunics, and mine varies between fae, pirate, and gypsy depending on mood and weather.  Don't think we have ever been looked at strangely for it.  (If we were, I didn't notice!).

'Evenin'  Your highness.

Thank you very much.  Her Maleficent outfit was a labor of love.  Well, I think it wouldn't be a problem at NYRF because they DO have a 'Faerie Woods" section.   Also I have seen some people wearing some outlandish stuff already.  BUT by and large the bulk do wear period correct garb.  As for mixing and matching...I think that will happen anyway because I am sure my boys would want to go as something they are interested in.  Medieval peasant boys probably will not ring a bell with them.   I wouldn't be surprised if they go as pirates.  As for my wife, I did already ask her if she wants to go in her full Maleficent outfit, but she already said, 'No'.   While she was fine with her horns for 5 hours on Halloween, she certainly couldn't do the near 10 hours at the fair.  Besides if it is warm out, she wouldn't want to wear all that makeup either.   I could change her outfit up though because that dress you see, it is really a two piece. So she could wear that top and a different skirt.   Even so, even if I did get her a new outfit, I think I will have an easier time picking an outfit for her than for me.

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Most people get pouches that attach to belts to put your stuff in, you can find them all over the internet and at faire.  Prices vary greatly depending fabric, style, size, and intricacy.  Ladies can also use baskets or pouches with loops to hold on their wrist.  But, you may also be able to find some pants with pockets, they will most likely be covered by your tunic anyway and its a modern convenience that no one would bat an eye at.

I don't mind wearing a pouch, mainly that would be to 'hide' my camera, but a concealed pocket would be nice too for my wallet.   But now that you mention it, I would need something for my wife too.   Luckily she wouldn't be carrying too much as she normally has a fanny pack when we go out to places like a fair or amusement park.  So the medieval equivalent of a fanny pack would do the trick.

Quote from: Orphena on May 06, 2015, 01:45:30 PM
You already have lots of advice, but a little bit more!

For you - Shirt in 100% cotton or 100% linen. Loose baggy pants (modern is fine to start) or kilt, belt with pouch to hold the necessities.  HAT (trust me - hats are your friends!) - look for a straw hat, or make that your first purchase of the day. Footwear is usually expensive, so stick with whatever you have to be comfortable in.

Yes, this does sound like a good plan.  Yes, I would like a hat as well.  I like the ones Lady Renee's husband has.

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For your wife - Shirt in 100% cotton or 100% linen. Bodice (which is the female top - sometimes boned - likely best to get this at faire to ensure fit. Long, loose skirt - or layer 2. HAT. Footwear as you find it. (Under floor length skirts, your feet are not as visible.)

My wife prefers long skirts, but my concern with something that is floor length is the horror of having her dress drag along the ground.  So I would like to go with something a little higher than that.   But she does have boots because she wore them with her Maleficent outfit.  They just are not tall boots.  They go a bit above the ankle.

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For the kids - Pants or shorts, plus a shirt. For a pirate look, add a sash, a bandana and a hat.  For a knight look, procure a tunic, and a helmet. Or leave the accessories off, and let them pick what they like at faire. >>

This I am rethinking and I think I am going to let them dress up as they see that appeals to them.  But more then likely I know they would probably pick being a pirate.  I will have to ask them to feel out more what they want to do.

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I'm sure you will have fun! Watch the parking situation at the faire - if I remember correctly, it could be quite a hike in - or arrive nice and early, and pay the $10 to park in preferred parking, which is right across from the gate. 

Thank you.  Yeah I did hear about that with the NYRF faire in that it is a good walk to the front gate, unless you use the paid parking, which I probably will do because we will be walking around enough within the fair grounds

Quote from: Rowan MacD on May 06, 2015, 02:02:25 PM
  .... The only people who have to dress period correct (or as nearly as possible) are cast and sometimes venders.

Yes, this was something I misread earlier in regards to wearing something that is not period correct.  I thought it meant all, but in reality it was meant for the vendors and performers and not the patrons.   That being said,  I even seen a video in which someone showed up to a Renfest as a Klingon.   All was good though because  he fit right in with the Orcs and Goblins.   

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  Don't worry about 'fitting in' on your first few trips.   Dressing up is half the fun, and you don't have to obey any 'rules' if you don't want to.   Nobody is going to mock you.

I hope not!

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   Heck, you can go as Donald Duck and his Nephews if you want.  We have more video game and anime characters than anything anymore.  Just dress comfortably and enjoy yourselves at the shows.  Take the opportunity to shop and observe.

Oh yeah, I have seen the Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts types in some of the renfest videos.

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  As for pouches and bags-I used a plain suede 'messenger bag' style purse my first year in garb, until I could find a cheap pouch (which I still have).   I took off the purse decorations that looked modern, and voila! I had something secure to hold my wallet, camera, sunscreen and eye drops (for dust).

Well for me I just need something that attaches to a belt.  Probably the same would be for my wife as she is used to wearing fanny packs out, so as I said above, I just need the medieval equivalent to the fanny pack.

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    Many faires do not allow weapons of any sort (even peace tied ones), so, before you invest in a nice sword or battle axe-check to see if it's OK to bring it in.
   Note: Just because there are vendors who sell the aforementioned weapons on site, does NOT mean you are allowed to wear/carry them while at faire.  In this case-if you buy a weapon from an onsite vendor; you will have to pick it up at the gate as you leave.  You cannot bring it back in.
  For example: KCRF does not allow any weapons to be brought in by patrons. At all. Period.   I've seen them pitch a fit over an eating knife.  You will have to leave it in your car.  Only cast members are allowed to wear/carry weapons.
   

Yes, I have looked into this already for the NYRF and they do allow peace tied weapons.  Now, I don't know how one would peace tie a battle-axe!  LOL!   Not that I would be going that route anyway.   At any rate, if I choose a weapon it would most likely be an inexpensive costume weapon such as a short sword or dagger.   One of those that are made of real metal, but have a dulled blade, and appropriately tie that to the costume.  As it is, my son's are only 8 years old and I certainly don't want them getting a hold of something like that...even if it is fake.

Well all,

Thank you for the information.   As of now I mostly want to see pictures of various looks and then match that up to the advice here.

Have a good evening!

Diaval.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 06, 2015, 11:06:04 PM
Quote from: PollyPoPo on May 06, 2015, 09:14:54 PM
Diaval, welcome to the world of Faires.

Thank you.

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So, now you're seeing the extent of your question and the diversity of ren garb.  Garb can run ridiculously expensive, even if one is not going noble.  Merchant class  garb for a man in Sunday clothes (as opposed to every day work clothes) is still going to cost quite a bit, especially for something a faire-goer only wears once or twice a year (you say you will only be making one weekend trip this year).

Yes, I am seeing that already. 

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As you have found, if one tries to be anywhere near historically accurate, it gets even more difficult to find something on-line.  Unless you can make your own, you will end up paying for the actual construction, at approximately 4 to 1 or 5 to 1.  If the materials cost $100, expect to pay $400-$500 for the finished garment. When you get up close, you will begin to see why it is called garb and not costumes.

You mention costumes and cosplay.  Garb is a whole different category.  Faires are outdoor events, so what works on-stage or in an exhibition hall might not last an hour outside.  Rather than thinking Halloween, compare men's merchant class garb to buying a three-piece suit at a not-quite high-end men's store.  A dress shirt at Brooks Bros will run about $100 for the lowest quality and then add 10% for the larger sizes.  A dress suit (pants and jacket) start about $500, but most run $1000, then add the extra for big guys.  (Can you guess we've got some big guys in our family?)

Understood.

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You have already found Renshirts.  I do have personal knowledge of their products.  They have a limited number of styles for men; not noble or even merchant class, but their clothing is very well made and will last.  It is cotton, machine washable, and wearable.  AND it will not cost you a fortune to get started.

Unlike many other stores, they do make shirts and pants that are actually sized to fit big and tall men (as in XXXL rather than a skimpy XL).  The shirts are made with a straight line from under arm to bottom.  They do not have the slits up the side like modern men's dress shirts.

Yes, I have saved that store as a favorite.  It looks like a really good starting point.  I am certain to get a shirt from them as I am leaning to this:

http://renshirts.com/half_sleeves/index.html (http://renshirts.com/half_sleeves/index.html)

I like that style.

Come to think of it, I don't know why modern men's shirts have that slit up the sides.

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The gauze shirts are definitely the cooler way to go, but the others have more "heft" to them.

Is gauze the same as linen?  That was mentioned before as the way to go to keep cool.

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  The neck lacings (especially the leather ones) need to be removed when you wash the clothing, but otherwise it is wash and wear.  If you have very muscular lower legs, you might call them and ask for the actual measurement of the cuffed legs or go with the draw string ones.  (Also ask about hidden pockets – just a thought.) 

Thank you, I didn't know that about the laces.

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So, once you have a shirt and breeches, you can start adding.  First outing, wear one of your regular belts (or two or three to add more mass), fastened loosely to give it some droop if you can; add a piece of fabric knotted around the clasp and hanging down – tie it at the bottom to make it look like a pouch.  That will hide the modern look of the belt and break up the vertical mass of your appearance. Add a pair of leather sandals if you have them.   If you end up wearing running shoes, so be it.  Depending on your head (and hair or lack of it), you might want a hat as someone mentioned.  Just something to keep from getting burned.  Or get a big square of cloth, knot each of the ends and wear it like a sailor might when working in the sun.  Add a big gold hoop earring (either in your own pierced ear or a screw back from grandma's box of costume jewelry) and you'll make a passable pirate.

Sounds good and yes, I most certainly would have to wear a hat.  I am pretty much bald and I know on a long day, sunscreen alone isn't going to cut it.  The problem is that I sweat the most from the head and I certainly would need something (liner perhaps?) in order to avoid ruing a good hat.

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Oh, and bring some kind of a big bag to carry stuff in, the knotted kind work or something that looks like a big canvas bag thrown over your shoulder.

So bring along a canvas bag?  I think I might have a small one.

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  With 8 year old boys, you'll probably ending up carrying at least part of their booty around during the day.  And plastic baggies, a couple that are gallon size, to stash the partly eaten turkey leg they swear they are going to finish later.  You will need drinking water; some faires let you bring in your own; others sell it and frown on bringing your own.  Most larger faires do not allow outside food.

Thank you for the tips.

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Keep in mind when you look at pictures that the basic garb of clothing is only the start.  If someone is wearing a hat, a belt, a pouch, shoes/boots, stockings, weapons, they probably did not buy it all at once before going to their first faire.  Expect to experience sticker shock, particularly on hats and boots.   

Once you are actually in a faire, you can decide if you still want to add to your garb right away or just make that first time a watching experience.  The odds are you'll be coming back next year and the next and the next.


Thank you again for your advice.

Have a nice evening!

Diaval
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 07, 2015, 05:51:34 AM
Thanks for the nice compliments!  Now you will be blown away when I tell you the prices!

My bodice is Moresca.  $185

Steve's hat is Pendragon Leather.  $150.  However, he has had it for 13 years and has held up well

My skirt is from Goodwill.  His pants are the ones I told you about.  I am still trying to find out the name of the shop, sent messages, hoping for replies.

I made his jerkin (vest), and a friend made my chemise.  His we bought at a faire, can't remember which one.    Plus pouches, shoes, etc. so even with something peasanty, it starts to add up.  This is what we do together, so for us, it doesn't matter, because it is our means of entertainment.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: PollyPoPo on May 07, 2015, 08:13:47 AM
Diaval,

Gauze is a type of weave, which makes the material much lighter (threads are further apart), while still giving the feeling of being covered with something.  The gauze from Renshirts is made from cotton).  Linen is a fabric created from manipulating the fibers of flax (? I think it's flax), into long threads and then weaving that. 

Up until the industrial revolution, and the cotton gin, cotton was an expensive fabric compared to linen.  Linen and wool were worn by all classes; cotton only by those who could afford it.  Today, linen is the more expensive fabric. 

As for faires being held during the summer, apparently that is true of faires in the north and places where a fall, winter, or early spring timeframe could result in being knocked out by weather.  The big three in Texas are TRF (Oct-Nov), Sherwood (Feb-Mar) and Scarborough (April-May).  Many faires in the south and west are held during fall, winter, spring.  As for being held on weekends - again, a matter of logistics.  Faires are open when management thinks the most people can come, meaning weekends.  TRF and Sherwood both have a Friday open on days when school children in the area are off school.

Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: LadyStitch on May 07, 2015, 11:34:21 AM
When you go into a faire you will find that some cosplay culture is still true.   If you want to get to know anyone the best way to do is walk up to them and say  "I like your < insert cool garb they are wearing>.  Where did you get it?"   Another is, " Can I have a picture?"  Sure fire way to meet someone and learn about the garb people are wearing.  TRUST ME you ask a rennie about their garb, you have a friend :)  If you couldn't tell by this forum. 

My large mamal friends have prefered a monks robe, and middle eastern garb for themselves.  One sunburns real bad and sweats badly on his head.  He learned how to wrap a turban, and he has never been so happy. 

Honestly, wear what makes you happy, and fits you.  Start simple, and build from there.  I am a professional seamstress, and we won't talk about what my first garb looked like. :: cringes::  but in the 15 years since I started I have found the look that makes me happy and have built upon it.  Don't sweat it, just have fun, and bee happy.  ;D
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 07, 2015, 08:42:23 PM
Hello and good evening to all!

Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 07, 2015, 05:51:34 AM
Thanks for the nice compliments!  Now you will be blown away when I tell you the prices!

You're welcome!  All of your outfits are really nice, but I like that black and gold one the best on you.

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My bodice is Moresca.  $185

Yeah, that is pretty hefty.   That was nearly what I paid for my wife's entire Maleficent costume.  (It was about $250 for everything, horns, ears, clothes, jewelry.)

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Steve's hat is Pendragon Leather.  $150.  However, he has had it for 13 years and has held up well

Wow!  That is expensive.  I sweat quite a bit from the head, so I think I would need a liner for something like that.  Heaven knows how many ball caps were ruined from sweating.  It is just a tremendous amount of heat escapes through my head.

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My skirt is from Goodwill.  His pants are the ones I told you about.  I am still trying to find out the name of the shop, sent messages, hoping for replies. I made his jerkin (vest), and a friend made my chemise.  His we bought at a faire, can't remember which one.    Plus pouches, shoes, etc. so even with something peasanty, it starts to add up.  This is what we do together, so for us, it doesn't matter, because it is our means of entertainment.

Yeah, I can see that it adds up quickly.  I been thinking of just doing outfits for myself and the wife, the boys could be what they want...perhaps pirates.  Or I might go the rental route with them.

Quote from: PollyPoPo on May 07, 2015, 08:13:47 AM
Diaval,

Gauze is a type of weave, which makes the material much lighter (threads are further apart), while still giving the feeling of being covered with something.  The gauze from Renshirts is made from cotton).  Linen is a fabric created from manipulating the fibers of flax (? I think it's flax), into long threads and then weaving that. 

Ok, so the two are different animals then.  However, 'light' material certainly is what I would be after.  The more it 'breathes' the better.  Plus the 'billowy' nature of the clothes should help too.

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Up until the industrial revolution, and the cotton gin, cotton was an expensive fabric compared to linen.  Linen and wool were worn by all classes; cotton only by those who could afford it.  Today, linen is the more expensive fabric.

I see.  But in the context of heat, which is lighter / cooler?   Linen or gauze cotton? 

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As for faires being held during the summer, apparently that is true of faires in the north and places where a fall, winter, or early spring timeframe could result in being knocked out by weather.

Hmmm, that is true.  Typically, October...especially late October is very bad in terms of weather.  I know this first hand when dealing with bad weather for Halloween displays.   I been putting on Halloween displays since 2009 and only ONE Halloween night we had good weather.  Usually August and September are pretty stable in terms of weather.

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  The big three in Texas are TRF (Oct-Nov), Sherwood (Feb-Mar) and Scarborough (April-May).  Many faires in the south and west are held during fall, winter, spring.  As for being held on weekends - again, a matter of logistics.  Faires are open when management thinks the most people can come, meaning weekends.  TRF and Sherwood both have a Friday open on days when school children in the area are off school.

That part is understood, which is why it seemed to me that with weekend operation of most fairs, that would be unaffected if kids are in school or not.   So far the three fairs I checked out near my do not have a Friday open.

Quote from: LadyStitch on May 07, 2015, 11:34:21 AM
When you go into a faire you will find that some cosplay culture is still true.   If you want to get to know anyone the best way to do is walk up to them and say  "I like your < insert cool garb they are wearing>.  Where did you get it?"   Another is, " Can I have a picture?"  Sure fire way to meet someone and learn about the garb people are wearing.  TRUST ME you ask a rennie about their garb, you have a friend :)  If you couldn't tell by this forum. 

Yeah, I have noticed!  I only posted this past weekend and this is already four pages long!  Well, at least I know the 'make a rennie friend' lines now.   

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My large mamal friends have prefered a monks robe, and middle eastern garb for themselves.  One sunburns real bad and sweats badly on his head.  He learned how to wrap a turban, and he has never been so happy.

A robe look was another thing I was going to ask about, but robes are usually associated with clergy and I am not shooting for a monk look (even though I probably could pull it off).   With a robe I would think...Magic user ala Gandalf for a fantasy look.   The only reason  I didn't mention this before is that I was thinking:  Robe + Warm day = Dutch Oven (the cooking kind, not the other one).

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Honestly, wear what makes you happy, and fits you.  Start simple, and build from there.  I am a professional seamstress, and we won't talk about what my first garb looked like. :: cringes::  but in the 15 years since I started I have found the look that makes me happy and have built upon it.  Don't sweat it, just have fun, and bee happy.  ;D

Well, I have a few ideas, I just need to see some more full examples.   The pictures Lady Renee had up from her renfest outings with her hubby were a great start to look at.  I certainly could get ideas from pictures like that.  The Youtube videos of renfests are a big help too.  I know I AM probably going to sweat it...literally, but I would like to keep that down to a minimum.


Thank you all and have a good night!

Diaval
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Rowan MacD on May 08, 2015, 08:54:40 AM
   As has been said in a few places-'Costumes' vs 'Garb'.
Good 'Garb' is more like real clothing-think movie grade costumes, compared to the poly print Walmart kind. They are realistic in both form and function.

   Another really good  and relatively inexpensive source for one size fits everybody is T-ger Toggs (they ave a booth at KCRF).
  Seriously, I bought a yoke shirt ($38) and a pair of baggy pants ($28) online for my son in law to wear to my wedding in 2007.  These are made of a heavy cotton gauze, and extremely good quality. They wash and wear very well, and just get better with age.  Very roomy and comfortable.  Add a pair of sandals or ghillies and a belt, and you're set.

http://tgertoggs.com (http://tgertoggs.com)

   He is a 4X (XXXX) and about 6' 3".  To this day, he has never attended a renfair, ever, even after I bought him the outfit; but my Step daughter says he has used both pieces around the house because they are that comfortable.    The casual clothes of the middle ages.
  The 'Pizza hat' is actually called a bag hat.   It will hang down on your neck to keep the sun off, and hide that modern haircut for both men and women.  TT specializes in men's wear.


   
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 08, 2015, 04:57:32 PM
Thank you Rowan ( and Butch who PM'd me).  T-ger Toggs is the company I was trying to find for Diaval!  Their garb is great.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 09, 2015, 12:32:50 AM
Good Evenin' to all.

Late night for me.  Maleficent and the kids are curled up and sleeping.  I am still awake so I figured I would drop in for a while.


Quote from: Rowan MacD on May 08, 2015, 08:54:40 AM
   As has been said in a few places-'Costumes' vs 'Garb'.
Good 'Garb' is more like real clothing-think movie grade costumes, compared to the poly print Walmart kind. They are realistic in both form and function.

Oh that part I got.  Garb is actual functional clothes, not a costume, but period correct clothing.  I know sometimes I do interchange the wording, especially in the context of fantasy characters.   As it is with my wife's Maleficent 'costume', it was really made from functional clothing or I guess you can still call most items in her outfit 'garb'  (and yes, the horns were real too).   In a nutshell, I didn't want to have her looking like her outfit came from the Disney store.

The big difference here is that with her Maleficent outfit, I had a 'blueprint' to go by and worked out from there with the available materials.  There were limitations based on the way my wife looks so we made changes to the outfit accordingly.  The end result is what you saw.

Basically I figured if I could do it once, I can do it again and that is how I eventually found my way here.

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   Another really good  and relatively inexpensive source for one size fits everybody is T-ger Toggs (they ave a booth at KCRF).
  Seriously, I bought a yoke shirt ($38) and a pair of baggy pants ($28) online for my son in law to wear to my wedding in 2007.  These are made of a heavy cotton gauze, and extremely good quality. They wash and wear very well, and just get better with age.  Very roomy and comfortable.  Add a pair of sandals or ghillies and a belt, and you're set.

http://tgertoggs.com (http://tgertoggs.com)

Thank you very much.  I looked at the site already and was very impressed with the prices and they do have my size too! 

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   He is a 4X (XXXX) and about 6' 3".  To this day, he has never attended a renfair, ever, even after I bought him the outfit; but my Step daughter says he has used both pieces around the house because they are that comfortable.    The casual clothes of the middle ages.
  The 'Pizza hat' is actually called a bag hat.   It will hang down on your neck to keep the sun off, and hide that modern haircut for both men and women.  TT specializes in men's wear.

Wow!  That is reassuring if he wears them around the house.   I am very close to his size also 6'3", but 3X.   I like the bag hat and see it uses often in many looks.  It seems like I can use that style hat for a 'Kiltie' outfit, peasant, or noble.   The only thing I wish is that they had an actual picture on the website.  Many items have a 'drawn' picture.


Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 08, 2015, 04:57:32 PM
Thank you Rowan ( and Butch who PM'd me).  T-ger Toggs is the company I was trying to find for Diaval!  Their garb is great.

Oh, so this was the company you were looking for.   Thank you.

Oh, while I have you ladies present, quick question:

When it comes to belt accessories I have noticed several items hanging on the belt that would seem odd by today's standards.   One fellow had a spoon, a mug, a knife, his pouch, and a hammered dulcimer tied to his belt (only kidding on the last one...it was actually a penny (tin) whistle).    So I was curious about that.

Thank you all.

Have a good night!
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: isabelladangelo on May 09, 2015, 06:11:05 PM
Hanging things from the belt is due to the the lack of modern pockets and paper plates.   ;)  Although, in period, they would have worn something similar to a fanny pack called a budget (http://larsdatter.com/budgets.htm), most people carry their mugs and utensils openly to show them off.  (Some have very cool looking mugs)  There are a ton of different purses/pouches to hang from your belt.  I have one that is big enough to hide my epi pen. 
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Rowan MacD on May 09, 2015, 08:27:26 PM
   Belts: a ring belt is a typical Rennie mainstay.  Buy online (cheaper) or visit a leather shop at faire (more expensive, but the shop workers will show you how to wear it).
   Mug straps with handy snaps to hold your drinking vessels and miscellaneous equipment are also available at the leather shop. It generally won't be any cheaper to buy these online.  Prices range largely depending on the decoration. 
    Basic drinking metal tankards and goblets can be found pretty easily in thrift stores.  I still have my first one from Goodwill (I used it today).   You can upgrade if you see a 'must have' from one of the artisans. 
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 09, 2015, 10:42:50 PM
Quote from: isabelladangelo on May 09, 2015, 06:11:05 PM
Hanging things from the belt is due to the the lack of modern pockets and paper plates.   ;)  Although, in period, they would have worn something similar to a fanny pack called a budget (http://larsdatter.com/budgets.htm), most people carry their mugs and utensils openly to show them off.  (Some have very cool looking mugs)  There are a ton of different purses/pouches to hang from your belt.  I have one that is big enough to hide my epi pen.

Oh, I was thinking that perhaps back in medieval times you had to bring your own utensils if you wanted to eat somewhere?  I have seen quite a few people at renfests (You Tube) that carried eating and drinking items.  So it had me thinking, didn't taverns and other places to drink and eat have their own tableware or did you have to bring your own?

Anyway, a budget sounds like something I would be after for my camera and wallet since you mention that was similar to a fanny pack.   Would this apply to the women as well?  Where did they carry their items?

Quote from: Rowan MacD on May 09, 2015, 08:27:26 PM
   Belts: a ring belt is a typical Rennie mainstay.  Buy online (cheaper) or visit a leather shop at faire (more expensive, but the shop workers will show you how to wear it).
   Mug straps with handy snaps to hold your drinking vessels and miscellaneous equipment are also available at the leather shop. It generally won't be any cheaper to buy these online.  Prices range largely depending on the decoration. 
    Basic drinking metal tankards and goblets can be found pretty easily in thrift stores.  I still have my first one from Goodwill (I used it today).   You can upgrade if you see a 'must have' from one of the artisans. 


What about things like daggers and swords?  I am assuming they mounted to the belt somehow too, correct?

Thank You

Have a good night!
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady L on May 10, 2015, 04:35:47 AM
There are leather sword hangers, which attach on one end to the belt, then hang at an angle for the sword to be hung from. Also baldrics.

http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-141-leather-sword-hanger-frog.aspx (http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-141-leather-sword-hanger-frog.aspx)

http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-160-right-handed-european-baldric-black.aspx (http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-160-right-handed-european-baldric-black.aspx)

There many types of bags and pouches to carry things in. Some hang from or tie onto a belt, others do not. Here's a few examples. (Not an endorsement)

http://www.museumreplicas.com/c-64-sporrans-pouches.aspx (http://www.museumreplicas.com/c-64-sporrans-pouches.aspx)

http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/c-103-leather-pouches.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/c-103-leather-pouches.aspx)

http://www.amazon.com/Bags-Purses-Pouches-650-1650-Pattern/dp/B00188PXUU (http://www.amazon.com/Bags-Purses-Pouches-650-1650-Pattern/dp/B00188PXUU)
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: isabelladangelo on May 10, 2015, 07:01:47 AM
Quote from: Diaval on May 09, 2015, 10:42:50 PM


Oh, I was thinking that perhaps back in medieval times you had to bring your own utensils if you wanted to eat somewhere?  I have seen quite a few people at renfests (You Tube) that carried eating and drinking items.  So it had me thinking, didn't taverns and other places to drink and eat have their own tableware or did you have to bring your own?

Anyway, a budget sounds like something I would be after for my camera and wallet since you mention that was similar to a fanny pack.   Would this apply to the women as well?  Where did they carry their items?



Yeah, taverns didn't always have a clean cup and spoon - which is why you carried your own.  However, it was done by putting it in a budget/basket/something similar that you carry rather than on your belt in the actual Renaissance. 

Yes, both women and men carried budgets.   You mostly see shepherds using them so they carried them the same places we would carry a purse or a wallet today. 

For a camera and other things, you might also look at messenger bags or pilgrim bags.  There are tons of examples on this linked site (http://www.larsdatter.com/pilgrims-bags.htm).  I made one a few years ago to carry my laptop with me at Pennsic (a very very big medieval/renaissance camping event that goes on for slightly over two weeks every summer).  It's very simple in design but you can carry a ton of stuff in it - which is probably why the pilgrims used them. 

Search the linked site to for other bags/pouches/purses ideas.  It is one of the best medieval/renaissance sources on the web.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 10, 2015, 02:58:19 PM
Good day!  And a special announcement to all m'ladies in the land:  Happy Mother's Day!

I will say that I have been homing in on some simple looks that I like.   

http://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/5270707/il_570xN.27778280.jpg (http://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/5270707/il_570xN.27778280.jpg)

(the fellow on the right)

http://www.mistythicket.com/ebay/scottish_great_kilt_tartan_08.jpg (http://www.mistythicket.com/ebay/scottish_great_kilt_tartan_08.jpg)

Of course in both cases instead of the kilt, go with the baggy style pants.

Footwear is still something I am on the fence about as the tall boots are probably very expensive.  Sandals probably would be a better bet.

Quote from: Lady L on May 10, 2015, 04:35:47 AM
There are leather sword hangers, which attach on one end to the belt, then hang at an angle for the sword to be hung from. Also baldrics.

http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-141-leather-sword-hanger-frog.aspx (http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-141-leather-sword-hanger-frog.aspx)

http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-160-right-handed-european-baldric-black.aspx (http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-160-right-handed-european-baldric-black.aspx)

The baldric sounds like a good idea.  In the photo I linked to above, the one fellow has the sword on his back.  While I do like that look, I think it would create an interesting situation in regards to sitting down, unless the seat is something without a back such as a stool.

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There many types of bags and pouches to carry things in. Some hang from or tie onto a belt, others do not. Here's a few examples. (Not an endorsement)

http://www.museumreplicas.com/c-64-sporrans-pouches.aspx (http://www.museumreplicas.com/c-64-sporrans-pouches.aspx)

http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/c-103-leather-pouches.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/c-103-leather-pouches.aspx)

http://www.amazon.com/Bags-Purses-Pouches-650-1650-Pattern/dp/B00188PXUU (http://www.amazon.com/Bags-Purses-Pouches-650-1650-Pattern/dp/B00188PXUU)

I tried to look up a budget type bag on-line, both Ebay and Etsy, but budget just comes up with hits based on the modern meaning of that word, "buy on a budget" and not the bag.

I took a look at those links and I do like the style of the Sporran and this is something that is normally worn with a kilt, but could it also be OK to wear it with pants?

In the first link you sent on bags, the top left is a Sporran but one thing that I found curious is that it says it has a snap for the cover.  Would that be period correct?   I wouldn't think so.  Another bag I like is the large round leather pouch.  I believe that is big enough to hold my wallet and my camera.  It has a nice tie to close it up and it certainly looks period correct.   I do like the medieval style pouches too on that page, but the problem is they are only 2" thick and I have a BIG camera.

Well, one thing is for certain. I like this belt:

http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-136-leather-long-belt.aspx (http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-136-leather-long-belt.aspx)


Quote from: isabelladangelo on May 10, 2015, 07:01:47 AM
Yeah, taverns didn't always have a clean cup and spoon - which is why you carried your own.  However, it was done by putting it in a budget/basket/something similar that you carry rather than on your belt in the actual Renaissance. 

Ahhh, so my guess was correct then.  It was just something that I noticed with Rennies in that they were carrying everything but the kitchen sink on their belt.  I don't have to go that far, but I figured a bag and perhaps a weapon of sorts and I should be good. 

I like this Scottish sword, but it is a long sword and probably would be best be worn on the back:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/41-Collectible-Scottish-Claymore-Arming-Sword-Thanksgiving-Xmas-Costume-Decor-/351394162526?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51d0b9675e (http://www.ebay.com/itm/41-Collectible-Scottish-Claymore-Arming-Sword-Thanksgiving-Xmas-Costume-Decor-/351394162526?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51d0b9675e)

If I could find something like that, but shorter, that would be cool.

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Yes, both women and men carried budgets.   You mostly see shepherds using them so they carried them the same places we would carry a purse or a wallet today. 

I see, so would a woman have it attached to a belt, or would it be worn over the shoulder as a pocketbook would be today?

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For a camera and other things, you might also look at messenger bags or pilgrim bags.  There are tons of examples on this linked site (http://www.larsdatter.com/pilgrims-bags.htm).  I made one a few years ago to carry my laptop with me at Pennsic (a very very big medieval/renaissance camping event that goes on for slightly over two weeks every summer).  It's very simple in design but you can carry a ton of stuff in it - which is probably why the pilgrims used them. 

Search the linked site to for other bags/pouches/purses ideas.  It is one of the best medieval/renaissance sources on the web.

Well, something simple just to hold what would normally go in a fanny pack.  Just the essentials.  For me it would just be my wallet, camera and sunscreen.  Perhaps a little more space to quickly toss something else in there.   Probably the same would go for my wife, but she would need something a bit bigger as women usually carry more things on them and she has her cell phone too.

Thank You again and have a good day!

Diaval
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: isabelladangelo on May 10, 2015, 05:11:25 PM
Sorry, I misunderstood.  I thought you had clicked on the links provided.  The links show budgets - medieval fanny packs- and where they are carried on the person; right at the waistline.

Before the 19th Century, men carried just as much as women - if not more.  Purses were for both sexes.   (The 19th Century really royally messed up everything)   I personally carry a small basket.  It holds my credit cards, cell phones, a small mirror, some thread, embroidery scissors, and a bunch of other knickknacks.  In a couple more weeks, I should have a few baskets recovered and for sale up on etsy, I hope.   The nice thing is they never look out of place and they can hold everything.   I've given a couple to friends and they use them all. the. time.   

Please, check out the links I've already provided and take a look at the various styles of bags, budgets, ect were really available - you'll easily be able to find some modern versions once you know what the medieval ones looked like. 

The two images you posted for garb are pretty good for the shirts they are wearing.  Honestly, if you wanted to learn how to sew, that style top is very, very simple - and it would cost you maybe $10 to make it on your own with a needle and thread.   
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady L on May 11, 2015, 02:39:19 AM
I have seen people (vendors and patrons) with all sorts of bags, pouches, shoulder bags, baskets etc. at MNRF. I had a shop there for 15 years, as I said before. The festival sells burlap shoulder bags at the traveler's shops they own. Lots of people use those.

I had a velvet, lined in gold satin drawstring bag that I sewed for myself. I used it to put my camera and money in, when I went out of the shop. I bought R a leather pouch and it had a snap on the front, which he put his wallet, keys and camera in. Later, I bought a leather sporran for him, when he wore his kilt on Scottish weekend. He also used a black velvet drawstring bag tied onto his belt on Middle Eastern weekend. I don't remember seeing someone wearing a sporran with pants. ?

I did want to mention that if you have a sword, first it is supposed to be peace-tied and second, it is difficult to use the portapotty while wearing one. R had a wood practice sword that he painted the blade shiny silver, so he didn't need to worry about it. He always took it off before attempting to enter the portapotty. Something you should consider- some people find it just too much to bother with, all day. In a crowd, in a shop, sitting down etc., it will be in the way. It can also become quite heavy to carry around.

I have that Simplicity pattern and isabella is right, that shirt is easy to sew. I used to get cotton fabric at Wmart for around $3.00 yd and it takes about 3.5 yds to make. I got some cotton fabric there for only $1.00 yd on clearance. I know you said you can't sew, but you can't get a shirt much cheaper. Both my sons are able to sew, also my grandpa did a lot of hand sewing. It isn't that difficult, really.

Here's a few examples of what we did, for some ideas. I don't think I have photos of the drawstring bags.

leather sporran
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/Lady_L_MN/RScottishwkend07sm.jpg) (http://s153.photobucket.com/user/Lady_L_MN/media/RScottishwkend07sm.jpg.html)

(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/Lady_L_MN/Rredkilt08sm.jpg) (http://s153.photobucket.com/user/Lady_L_MN/media/Rredkilt08sm.jpg.html)

Knight with wooden sword and black leather pouch.
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/Lady_L_MN/Rknightchainmailtranssm.png) (http://s153.photobucket.com/user/Lady_L_MN/media/Rknightchainmailtranssm.png.html)

Black leather pouch on the left
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/Lady_L_MN/Rknightlionprintsm.jpg) (http://s153.photobucket.com/user/Lady_L_MN/media/Rknightlionprintsm.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: arbcoind on May 11, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa108/Gina3102/piratepub.jpg) (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/Gina3102/media/piratepub.jpg.html)

In this photo I am wearing just a short chemise, a skirt (both cotton) and an unboned bodice.  (it was 95 degrees)  On my black leather buckle belt I have a mug, a sheathed peace tied short sword, a leather pouch, a drawstring pouch and a pirate bandana.  The sword sheath and leather pouch have loops to hang directly from the belt.  The mug is hung from a mug frog which also loops the belt.   The plain black tricorn hat is decorated with black and red ostrich feathers.   The belt and accessories are unisex.

The lovely bar wenches  (Liz and Meredith) are garbed simply in a chemise with layered skirts with a bodice.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 12, 2015, 08:43:21 PM
Good 'Evenin'  M'ladies:


Quote from: isabelladangelo on May 10, 2015, 05:11:25 PM
Sorry, I misunderstood.  I thought you had clicked on the links provided.  The links show budgets - medieval fanny packs- and where they are carried on the person; right at the waistline.

Oh, I did look quite a few...not all though as that site is huge.   I only asked about how a bag is worn because I have seen it both ways, either on the belt or slug over the opposite shoulder.

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Before the 19th Century, men carried just as much as women - if not more.  Purses were for both sexes.   (The 19th Century really royally messed up everything)

This I wasn't sure of, if there was a particular style suited for men or women, but thanks for clearing that up.   

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   I personally carry a small basket.  It holds my credit cards, cell phones, a small mirror, some thread, embroidery scissors, and a bunch of other knickknacks.  In a couple more weeks, I should have a few baskets recovered and for sale up on etsy, I hope.   The nice thing is they never look out of place and they can hold everything.   I've given a couple to friends and they use them all. the. time.

A basket?  That is interesting.  What does it look like?   

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Please, check out the links I've already provided and take a look at the various styles of bags, budgets, ect were really available - you'll easily be able to find some modern versions once you know what the medieval ones looked like.

Yes, there are a couple styles I homed in on already.   

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The two images you posted for garb are pretty good for the shirts they are wearing.  Honestly, if you wanted to learn how to sew, that style top is very, very simple - and it would cost you maybe $10 to make it on your own with a needle and thread.

Yes, I like the one with the huge sleeves.   I think I mentioned earlier that I CAN handle a machine...I just don't have one.  As for by hand, I never sewed by hand in my life.  Wouldn't know where to begin there.   However, the low cost certainly seems to be attractive.

Quote from: Lady L on May 11, 2015, 02:39:19 AM
I have seen people (vendors and patrons) with all sorts of bags, pouches, shoulder bags, baskets etc. at MNRF. I had a shop there for 15 years, as I said before. The festival sells burlap shoulder bags at the traveler's shops they own. Lots of people use those.

Yes I remember you mentioning those bags. 

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I had a velvet, lined in gold satin drawstring bag that I sewed for myself. I used it to put my camera and money in, when I went out of the shop. I bought R a leather pouch and it had a snap on the front, which he put his wallet, keys and camera in. Later, I bought a leather sporran for him, when he wore his kilt on Scottish weekend. He also used a black velvet drawstring bag tied onto his belt on Middle Eastern weekend. I don't remember seeing someone wearing a sporran with pants. ?

There was one nice drawstring bag I was looking at on one of those websites above.   I mentioned the sporran as I was not sure if that was a look that only linked with wearing a kilt.  But as I did some reading on my own, it apparently is.   But I am curious if the reverse would be OK, wearing a regular bag/pouch with a kilt? 

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I did want to mention that if you have a sword, first it is supposed to be peace-tied and second, it is difficult to use the portapotty while wearing one.  R had a wood practice sword that he painted the blade shiny silver, so he didn't need to worry about it. He always took it off before attempting to enter the portapotty. Something you should consider- some people find it just too much to bother with, all day. In a crowd, in a shop, sitting down etc., it will be in the way. It can also become quite heavy to carry around.

Yes, I remember reading that on the NYRF site, that they do allow weapons, but they have to be peace tied.  How that is done, I don't know. I am assuming you somehow have to tie the weapon itself to the belt so it cannot be drawn from it's sheath.

Actually you do bring up a good point about the portapotty situation and carrying it around all day.  For a smaller renfest or Halloween, I would be fine with a longsword, but for NYRF, I would opt to go with a short sword or a long dagger.    That would be better now that you bring it up

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I have that Simplicity pattern and isabella is right, that shirt is easy to sew. I used to get cotton fabric at Wmart for around $3.00 yd and it takes about 3.5 yds to make. I got some cotton fabric there for only $1.00 yd on clearance. I know you said you can't sew, but you can't get a shirt much cheaper. Both my sons are able to sew, also my grandpa did a lot of hand sewing. It isn't that difficult, really.

Well, I could take a look at the pattern and see what my wife thinks about hand sewing it.

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Here's a few examples of what we did, for some ideas. I don't think I have photos of the drawstring bags.

I like the Sporran.   But the pouch is off to the side and I can't see it very well.  I like the knight outfit.  Heck!  I like ALL the outfits.  I do like that style hat though, I see it come up often.

Quote from: arbcoind on May 11, 2015, 11:41:09 AM

In this photo I am wearing just a short chemise, a skirt (both cotton) and an unboned bodice.  (it was 95 degrees)  On my black leather buckle belt I have a mug, a sheathed peace tied short sword, a leather pouch, a drawstring pouch and a pirate bandana.  The sword sheath and leather pouch have loops to hang directly from the belt.  The mug is hung from a mug frog which also loops the belt.   The plain black tricorn hat is decorated with black and red ostrich feathers.   The belt and accessories are unisex.

The lovely bar wenches  (Liz and Meredith) are garbed simply in a chemise with layered skirts with a bodice.

Nice pirate outfit!  You have quite a bit of hardware on your belt.  Now all you need is a ship!   I was thinking about going with two pouches as well if I don't opt for the Kilt/Sporran look.   A small one to carry cash and perhaps a larger drawstring one for my camera.   I have a BIG camera:

http://www.chip.pl/images/testy/foto-video/aparaty-cyfrowe-kompaktowe/kodak-easyshare-z990-max/54962.jpg (http://www.chip.pl/images/testy/foto-video/aparaty-cyfrowe-kompaktowe/kodak-easyshare-z990-max/54962.jpg)

However, I think one big pouch will do and I could always add a second one later.

Thank you all!

I believe I picked out the shirt I like and the style hat.   A belt with large pouch and short sword / dagger (just have to pick a style).  So then there remains the question whether to kilt it or go baggy pants.

Well, I certainly see my look is coming around.   So next up is my wife's look...I think she will be easier to do.

Have a good night!

Diaval
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady L on May 13, 2015, 01:06:09 AM
Yes, I remember reading that on the NYRF site, that they do allow weapons, but they have to be peace tied.  How that is done, I don't know. I am assuming you somehow have to tie the weapon itself to the belt so it cannot be drawn from it's sheath.

Most faires, including MNRF, the front gate people will put a zip tie around the sword, so it can't be removed. If it isn't, security will be there to *assist*.


I like the Sporran.   But the pouch is off to the side and I can't see it very well.  I like the knight outfit.  Heck!  I like ALL the outfits.  I do like that style hat though, I see it come up often.

When I took the photos, I wasn't trying to get just the sporran or pouch. Those are the only photos I have of that. The pouch does not need to be in front, but the sporran is always worn in front.

That is called a muffin hat. It is a circle gathered into a straight headband, which is lined. Very easy to make. Takes about a yard of fabric.

http://www.forestcreekrenaissance.com/Muffin-Hat-p/ss-mhat.htm (http://www.forestcreekrenaissance.com/Muffin-Hat-p/ss-mhat.htm) for example.
http://www.museangel.net/cap.html (http://www.museangel.net/cap.html) 

Oh, I just wanted to add that I have a 500mm telephoto lens, plus a Nikon camera. I could carry the lens in the drawstring bag and the camera in a different bag. Sometimes faires (other events, too) have rules about big lenses, though. It wasn't a problem in the past, but it has become one.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: arbcoind on May 13, 2015, 03:37:32 PM
I peace tie my weapons with a black zip tie.  I loop it around the hilt of the weapon and the sheath.  The weapon cannot be drawn.  Just cut off the extra zip tie after tightening, so it is not visible.  Faires that allow weapons will usually peace tie for you at the gate.  But they don't do a great job of disguising the tie, so you will want to do this beforehand.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 13, 2015, 09:29:47 PM
Good 'Evenin' m'ladies!


Quote from: Lady L on May 13, 2015, 01:06:09 AM
Most faires, including MNRF, the front gate people will put a zip tie around the sword, so it can't be removed. If it isn't, security will be there to *assist*.

Oh, they use a zip tie then?   I thought tying it off with string would be good, but I guess I see why they prefer a zip tie because a string can be removed. 

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When I took the photos, I wasn't trying to get just the sporran or pouch. Those are the only photos I have of that. The pouch does not need to be in front, but the sporran is always worn in front.

Yes, I was reading up a bit on the history of Kilts and the Sporran and the purpose it serves.

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That is called a muffin hat. It is a circle gathered into a straight headband, which is lined. Very easy to make. Takes about a yard of fabric.

http://www.forestcreekrenaissance.com/Muffin-Hat-p/ss-mhat.htm (http://www.forestcreekrenaissance.com/Muffin-Hat-p/ss-mhat.htm) for example.
http://www.museangel.net/cap.html (http://www.museangel.net/cap.html)  [/color]

Yep that's the type of hat I am after.  I definitely need some kind of liner as I don't want to ruin the hat.  I sweat the most from the top of my head.  That is the first place that gets wet!   Instructions seem simple, but I never did anything by hand.  If I still had my mother's machine...probably.


Oh, I just wanted to add that I have a 500mm telephoto lens, plus a Nikon camera. I could carry the lens in the drawstring bag and the camera in a different bag. Sometimes faires (other events, too) have rules about big lenses, though. It wasn't a problem in the past, but it has become one.
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Wow, now THAT's a chunky camera if you need TWO bags for it.  LOL!    So they make a big stink if you have a big camera?  Well, my camera isn't a pro model, so I can't change the lens on it, but it is still bigger than the typical pocket camera.  I had those, but hated them because the rinky dink motors on the lens would break.

For the most part I would keep my camera away until I wanted to take pictures, but I have seen many at renfests with cameras as big as or even bigger than mine around someone's neck the whole time.

Quote from: arbcoind on May 13, 2015, 03:37:32 PM
I peace tie my weapons with a black zip tie.  I loop it around the hilt of the weapon and the sheath.  The weapon cannot be drawn.  Just cut off the extra zip tie after tightening, so it is not visible.  Faires that allow weapons will usually peace tie for you at the gate.  But they don't do a great job of disguising the tie, so you will want to do this beforehand.


Yes, Lady L was mentioning the zip tie above.  Well, thank you for the tip at least I know now how to do it before hand.


Thank you all and have a good night!

Diaval
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady L on May 14, 2015, 02:28:46 AM
Yep that's the type of hat I am after.  I definitely need some kind of liner as I don't want to ruin the hat.  I sweat the most from the top of my head.  That is the first place that gets wet!

That's why I make as much as possible from washable fabric. The black muffin hats in my photo are cotton velveteen and have been washed several times.

As far as cameras, check with the faire you will be attending.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Rowan MacD on May 15, 2015, 10:47:05 AM
Remember that T'ger Toggs has a good, fully lined bag hat.  Cheap too.   You can outfit your self for under $100.00. try Sofi's Stiches for a complete basic outfit for your wife-Mine is close to 15+ years old and I'm still using bits and pieces.  I bought it because it pretty much has everything you need for a reasonably period correct wench look, and was cheaper than buying it all separately.
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 16, 2015, 07:06:52 AM
You can get a basic woman's package, chemise, bodice, skirt, from between $115 to $160 by forum member Very Merry Seamstress.  .A man's twill doublet is under $100. Knee breaches are $40 to $50 range.

Don't forget, these are CUSTOM, not off the rack.  Made to YOUR measurements.


I will guarantee Heather's work 100%.  She is a sweetheart wonderful to deal with.  About 17 years ago, she made me a long wool cape.  It is beautiful, and I still wear it.  It is assembled so well, it still looks brand new
Title: Re: New to Renfests would love to go to one in costume where to begin?
Post by: Diaval on May 18, 2015, 10:57:25 PM
Good 'Evenin' M'ladies

Sorry I have not been on-line this weekend.


Quote from: Lady L on May 14, 2015, 02:28:46 AM
That's why I make as much as possible from washable fabric. The black muffin hats in my photo are cotton velveteen and have been washed several times.

As far as cameras, check with the faire you will be attending.

Ok, thank you.   From what I seen on the NYRF site, cameras seem to be welcome.

Quote from: Rowan MacD on May 15, 2015, 10:47:05 AM
Remember that T'ger Toggs has a good, fully lined bag hat.  Cheap too.   You can outfit your self for under $100.00. try Sofi's Stiches for a complete basic outfit for your wife-Mine is close to 15+ years old and I'm still using bits and pieces.  I bought it because it pretty much has everything you need for a reasonably period correct wench look, and was cheaper than buying it all separately.

Yes, I did see the hat on that site.  Shame it was only an outline drawing as I would have liked to see a picture of it.   Ok, thank you I will take a look at the that website.

Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on May 16, 2015, 07:06:52 AM
You can get a basic woman's package, chemise, bodice, skirt, from between $115 to $160 by forum member Very Merry Seamstress.  .A man's twill doublet is under $100. Knee breaches are $40 to $50 range.

Don't forget, these are CUSTOM, not off the rack.  Made to YOUR measurements.


I will guarantee Heather's work 100%.  She is a sweetheart wonderful to deal with.  About 17 years ago, she made me a long wool cape.  It is beautiful, and I still wear it.  It is assembled so well, it still looks brand new

Wow!  That was some impressive site.  They certainly have some nice stuff.   I must have been browsing that site for over an hour! 

I have seen some nice inexpensive outfits for my wife there.  Amazingly, I like the peasant gowns because they are not as long as to drag the ground.   On that site I like the Italian Renaissance Gown, or the Basic Irish Gown for my wife.   The Irish gown can have a chemise that ties the sleeves up so it would be worn as long or short sleeve.   I like that option and I am sure my wife would too.

Thank you all again for the help.  Hopefully I can successfully put something together now.

Good Evenin'

Diaval