The TX Ren Fest rules stipulate that all blades must be tied in their scabbards. I am, of course, not against this in any way. But, I'm curious if there are ren-faires that do not have as strict a rule. Anyone?
BTW, I think this is a FUN place!!
*gets Crayolas (the 64 pack) and scribbles a nice rapier*
There! I drew my blade!
Huh?...what?...oh. OH! :-[
To my knowledge the one and only time that you can legally draw your blade at a ren-faire is if the faire has a fencing corral and you are standing at it. And only if the master-at-arms gives his permission. There were times in the past when I was younger and more limber and wished to engage in a bout at the fencing corral when I would ask the fencing master if I could use my own blade. He would examine it and either say yea or nay. What ever his decision it was final and no arguement. Of course if you are attacked by some deranged patron, there is no prohibition on defending your self. Outside of the above instances, I have never and would never draw my blade even when asked if it was real, which has been done upon occasion.
BTW
Jack Daw, anything Wenchie has looks better than anything we have..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hi wenchie ;D ;D ;D
Actually, I was told by a constable in Harris County that legally I could draw an illegal blade at a re-enacting event. But, it is the TRF's rules that say that it must be tied in. Are there any law enforcement officers here that could elaborate?
TRF's rules are most likely for insurance reasons. You may be surprised to know that many faires around the country do not allow any weapons to be worn. We're just lucky here in TX! ;D
;D glad Garf lets us wear weapons also but peace tie is a must ofcourse I've not actually been stopped to check mine before either since my sheath has a snap that keeps my sword in even if i didn't peace tie it. reminds me need to find ribbon and do a real pretty peace tie on my sword before April
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on February 04, 2009, 09:11:54 AM
;D glad Garf lets us wear weapons also but peace tie is a must ofcourse I've not actually been stopped to check mine before either since my sheath has a snap that keeps my sword in even if i didn't peace tie it. reminds me need to find ribbon and do a real pretty peace tie on my sword before April
Ribbons? I use manly leather thongs.
;D chicks can get away with peace tying with ribbons ;D
Scarborough allows the Queen Own Highlanders to draw and march with weapons. Its a privilege we take very serious we have a safety lecture before hand, pair people up with someone who has done parade before etc.
Four Winds does live weapons demos and staged re-enactments you can meet with the director of those events and if you show your weapon is safe and you are skilled enough you can be part of the re-enactment. It normally takes some time to show your skilled and safe enough its not something done on the spar of the moment.
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on February 04, 2009, 08:42:33 AM
BTW
Jack Daw, anything Wenchie has looks better than anything we have..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hi wenchie ;D ;D ;D
And it sparks so nicely when I drag it when running down a hill!
Hi, Blakduke! :-*
That's a pretty much standard rule at most Renfairs around the country.
There are even a few that do not allow customers to carry weapons at all. I think a couple really strict ones only allow their jousters and/or stage combat actors to carry swords.
This past TRF 2008, a friend told a story of how he drew his dirk to cross blades with another in a small friendly ceremony. A stranger noticed and reported my friend. Security showed up, understood the intentions, and let my friend off not even with a warning.
I attended a very very small faire near my home in Florida a few years back. As it happened the King (being a very skilled swordsman) and a visiting noble (also skilled) took the opportunity to cross blades. It was impromptu and, though I missed part of it, I was helping a child find a lost toy nearby, I was close enough to catch a glimpse and hear the sound of steel upon steel. I'm sorry I was not there to see the whole thing. It was a rare chance I think.
I am very excited that my home faire is allowing ( once again) peace tied weapons! Even if you can't draw them it's nice to see them sported about.
Actually, one of the reasons why I ask is that I have to wear my claymore (two-handed sword) in a scabbard in a back baldric. Historically, a Highlander just held it by the handle with the blade lain on his shoulder. Of course, with the back baldric, I have two free hands all the time; so, it's not an issue.
We in the Royal Guard at Scarborough are permitted to draw steel for the Memorial Day parade only. We form a sword arch to honor the veterans who are marching in the parade and then get to march with our drawn swords over the parade route. We have also been asked to do sword arches for a couple of other events. As SirRichardBear said, we do take it seriously and are also given a safety lecture in advance.
I've slipped my utility knife out when eating or at need, but the sword stays peace tied everywhere when permitted to draw it at Scarby.
At CRF this last November, they actually peace-tied me flogger...with a bright red ribbon! :P
'course, ribbons pretty much look appropriate on a Manly Pyrate wot's wearin' a big frilly shirt an' bryte tyghts! ;)
Of course Scotsmen should probably be "peace tied" with a blue ribbon ::)
At Sterling Renaissance Festival they just started allowing peace-tied weapons to be worn last year...after many years of not allowing it.
You can't draw the blade though.
It is a somewhat silly issue since there are plenty of weapons which can kill with a single strike that don't have a blade such as a heavy walking stick with a big brass knob on the end. I suppose faires think the inclusion of a blade makes it too easy to kill or harm someone quickly without giving them the time or ability to run away. Heck people can pick up a rock from the ground and knock someone in the head with it and easily kill them.
Regards,
CB
Quote from: Cobaltblu on February 04, 2009, 12:42:43 PM
At Sterling Renaissance Festival they just started allowing peace-tied weapons to be worn last year...after many years of not allowing it.
You can't draw the blade though.
It is a somewhat silly issue since there are plenty of weapons which can kill with a single strike that don't have a blade such as a heavy walking stick with a big brass knob on the end. I suppose faires think the inclusion of a blade makes it too easy to kill or harm someone quickly without giving them the time or ability to run away. Heck people can pick up a rock from the ground and knock someone in the head with it and easily kill them.
Regards,
CB
I agree with you! BAN ALL THE ROCKS!! BAN THE ROCKS!!
Quote from: Welsh Wench on February 04, 2009, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on February 04, 2009, 08:42:33 AM
BTW
Jack Daw, anything Wenchie has looks better than anything we have..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hi wenchie ;D ;D ;D
And it sparks so nicely when I drag it when running down a hill!
Hi, Blakduke! :-*
MY IRON LUNG, WHERE IS MY IRON LUNG????????????????????
Quote from: Anna Iram on February 04, 2009, 09:57:52 AM
I attended a very very small faire near my home in Florida a few years back. As it happened the King (being a very skilled swordsman) and a visiting noble (also skilled) took the opportunity to cross blades. It was impromptu and, though I missed part of it, I was helping a child find a lost toy nearby, I was close enough to catch a glimpse and hear the sound of steel upon steel. I'm sorry I was not there to see the whole thing. It was a rare chance I think.
I am very excited that my home faire is allowing ( once again) peace tied weapons! Even if you can't draw them it's nice to see them sported about.
AAHHHHH Anna you remember, that was a day indeed. of Course we had to do something to liven up the day, God that was some weekend...
Quote from: groomporter on February 04, 2009, 12:37:06 PM
Of course Scotsmen should probably be "peace tied" with a blue ribbon ::)
Aye, we always come in first place, don't we! Unlike those I-Talians. I've seen the statues over there.
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on February 04, 2009, 02:20:02 PM
Quote from: Welsh Wench on February 04, 2009, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on February 04, 2009, 08:42:33 AM
BTW
Jack Daw, anything Wenchie has looks better than anything we have..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hi wenchie ;D ;D ;D
And it sparks so nicely when I drag it when running down a hill!
Hi, Blakduke! :-*
MY IRON LUNG, WHERE IS MY IRON LUNG????????????????????
Where's my Irn Bru? Wakey, wakey!!
Quote from: Cobaltblu on February 04, 2009, 12:42:43 PM
At Sterling Renaissance Festival they just started allowing peace-tied weapons to be worn last year...after many years of not allowing it.
And that is after many years of allowing it. From 1983 until the early 90's weapons were allowed. I know because I have pictures of me there with sword. Then it was the usual "some drunk" etc. etc.
I will not go on because this subject has evolved into many an arguement here in the forum. I will only say that I relish the idea that there is a faire dear to my heart(Sterling) that is now NOT on my list of faires to boycott because of a brainless no-weapons policy. At the risk of offending and such is not my intent, going to a weaponless faire is like going to Hooters and every waitress is a 29a or less. Of course all us guys go to Hooters for the hamburgers and fries RRRRRIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHTTTTTTTTTT.................
Indeed Blakduke, I remember it well. :)
Jack Daw, if the Italians wore kilts and carried such large weapons as the Scots they'd be in the running for the ribbons too. :D
LOL...Molden! I can't believe they peace tied your flogger. ;D Too funny...
I guess everthing can become a weapon, there's probably just too much of a chance that some lad with no safty and no knowledge of swordsmanship might get carried away and take someone's eye out. So peace tie everything you can.
well, it is in my firm belief that not everyone should have a sword, unfortunatly there is no such thing as a "sword license" which allows my future brother in law to be ready and willing and able to carry a carbon steel battle ready sword. This a horrible idea and I am quite happy with him not being able to combine this ability with mead, and rum, and beer.
I would love to be able to look at the pretty shinies that everyone else carries responsibly, but I know for every 1 good swordsman there are 5 schmucks that gotta ruin it. If there were a swordscarrying weapon license, I'd be cool with it. Or perhaps at a faire where my F BIL isn't there...
Quote from: Anna Iram on February 04, 2009, 02:40:24 PM
Indeed Blakduke, I remember it well. :)
Jack Daw, if the Italians wore kilts and carried such large weapons as the Scots they'd be in the running for the ribbons too. :D
LOL...Molden! I can't believe they peace tied your flogger. ;D Too funny...
I guess everthing can become a weapon, there's probably just too much of a chance that some lad with no safty and no knowledge of swordsmanship might get carried away and take someone's eye out. So peace tie everything you can.
The rocks have been banned! I cairn not.
Quote from: gypsylakat on February 04, 2009, 02:45:58 PM
well, it is in my firm belief that not everyone should have a sword, unfortunatly there is no such thing as a "sword license" which allows my future brother in law to be ready and willing and able to carry a carbon steel battle ready sword. This a horrible idea and I am quite happy with him not being able to combine this ability with mead, and rum, and beer.
I would love to be able to look at the pretty shinies that everyone else carries responsibly, but I know for every 1 good swordsman there are 5 schmucks that gotta ruin it. If there were a swordscarrying weapon license, I'd be cool with it. Or perhaps at a faire where my F BIL isn't there...
If you can limit your drink, you may have all the mead you desire. Keep your sword tied and you can keep carrying it.
My favorite part of the process is telling security to tie me up however they see fit.... so they'll feel safe..... ;)
Quote from: Femme Falchion on February 04, 2009, 03:01:16 PM
My favorite part of the process is telling security to tie me up however they see fit.... so they'll feel safe..... ;)
Oo, that's
randy!
At Bristol Faire last season an acquaintance, I will refer to as Daniel the Terrible, entered the Faire with a sword not peace tied. The guards at the gate did not check it. Later in the day the Terrible one drew his sword unnoticed by the Sheriff and his men. I have no point, other than the one on my dirk, just a story. :-X
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on February 04, 2009, 03:14:09 PM
At Bristol Faire last season an acquaintance, I will refer to as Daniel the Terrible, entered the Faire with a sword not peace tied. The guards at the gate did not check it. Later in the day the Terrible one drew his sword unnoticed by the Sheriff and his men. I have no point, other than the one on my dirk, just a story. :-X
In the early days, I've drawn my sword, too, several times, but luckily I was not reported.
Many of the rules I've seen have just as much to do with the people who DON'T have swords as teh people that do.
The STLRF is pretty good about weapons policy, blades must be covered, and bound so they cant be drawn, but anyone can carry them.
Everyone on cast keeps blades tied, not because we don't know how to be safe with them, but because other people we don't know about. I can't tell you how many patrons will walk up to someone and try and pull swords from the other's scabbard.
The only time a weapon may be drawn, is if its for a specific purpose, such as a choreographed fight, a demonstration, or ceremonial reason.
We keep strict rules, because it would be too hard to manage if we didn't use the same blanket standard for everyone. I know that there are several people that come to faire that know how to use a sword safely, and they might want to show off some skills, but how do we tell other patron that just bought his first sword that he cant also have a mock fight? You know all those kids that buy the wooden swords and start swinging them around with no idea what they are doing? If it was an untrained adult it would basically be the same thing only with a stronger arm swinging a real blade.
If you have a sword you like, by all means, wear it to faire if the faire allows it, but if you want to have sword fights, join cast and take the cast training, or join a group that does sword fights.
Quote from: Jack Daw at Work on February 04, 2009, 08:49:19 AM
Actually, I was told by a constable in Harris County that legally I could draw an illegal blade at a re-enacting event. But, it is the TRF's rules that say that it must be tied in. Are there any law enforcement officers here that could elaborate?
I've seen several places with laws like this. To boil it down, it give the organization the right to decide if they will or won't allow weapons, without the state or local laws dictating it to them. It also gives them the chance to demonstrate fights for educational and entertainment purposes without breaking any laws.
Kudos to all of the faires that allow weapons to be worn. I will enjoy carrying my sgian dubh and dirk this year at STLRF. I hope to see some of the other faires I attend change their policy in regards to weapons.
Quote from: Jack Daw at Work on February 04, 2009, 08:49:19 AM
Actually, I was told by a constable in Harris County that legally I could draw an illegal blade at a re-enacting event. But, it is the TRF's rules that say that it must be tied in. Are there any law enforcement officers here that could elaborate?
Not a law enforcement officer, but many Renfairs are on private property, therefore the property owners can enforce stricter rules than what the local law covers. For example, a while ago Minnesota standardized it's regulations for getting a permit to carry a handgun resulting in more permits being issued, but private businesses are allowed to ban guns from their premises. (MNRF has signs at the gate stating they ban handguns in accordance with this).
Jc i totally understand the point of having it peace tied i've heard stories of people walking up and attempting to draw others weapons. I've also been approached bye teens wanting me to let them hold my weapon. and i totaly agree with the peace tying.
also i remember last year my friends young nephews who wanted swords and finally got wooden swords half way through the day and being children they began wolliping the nearest thing they could with them(thankfully it was a huge pine tree) and they had the to be fulled off the tree and informed that they weren't axes. after lunch the boys began a fake sword fight and it was fun to watch but yeah i know some adults who would act like those kids so yeah peace tying is a good thing
And I could not agree more. However the people doing the peace tying should have a certain amount of common sense and you would be surprised at how many do not. I went to a faire once(name with held so as not to start a flame war) and the person came up to me to peace tie my rapier. I told the person it was already but the person was adamant that the official faire peace tie was more magical than mine and proceed to wrap the colored ribbon around the pommel and then to quillion cross guard... ergo, the only thing holding the sword to the scabbard and belt was my own tie. Had I not had that not only could some twit of a teenager or less could have removed the blade but some drunk as well. I had to tell the faire owners, once I got into the gate about it so they could instruct the people at the gate how to do it properly and the purpose of it.
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on February 05, 2009, 02:22:44 PM
And I could not agree more. However the people doing the peace tying should have a certain amount of common sense and you would be surprised at how many do not. I went to a faire once(name with held so as not to start a flame war) and the person came up to me to peace tie my rapier. I told the person it was already but the person was adamant that the official faire peace tie was more magical than mine and proceed to wrap the colored ribbon around the pommel and then to quillion cross guard... ergo, the only thing holding the sword to the scabbard and belt was my own tie. Had I not had that not only could some twit of a teenager or less could have removed the blade but some drunk as well. I had to tell the faire owners, once I got into the gate about it so they could instruct the people at the gate how to do it properly and the purpose of it.
haha, I think I've heard that story from you before. I can only hope that the people putting the peace ties on weapons here in STL know better!
yeah i read you loud and clear it's not much of a peace tie if you can still draw the weapon
But if it was a " Magical Peace Tie " wouldn't you become King if you could draw your sword then?
Or would that mean that you were a wizard?
;D
Quote from: jcbanner on February 05, 2009, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on February 05, 2009, 02:22:44 PM
And I could not agree more. However the people doing the peace tying should have a certain amount of common sense and you would be surprised at how many do not. I went to a faire once(name with held so as not to start a flame war) and the person came up to me to peace tie my rapier. I told the person it was already but the person was adamant that the official faire peace tie was more magical than mine and proceed to wrap the colored ribbon around the pommel and then to quillion cross guard... ergo, the only thing holding the sword to the scabbard and belt was my own tie. Had I not had that not only could some twit of a teenager or less could have removed the blade but some drunk as well. I had to tell the faire owners, once I got into the gate about it so they could instruct the people at the gate how to do it properly and the purpose of it.
haha, I think I've heard that story from you before. I can only hope that the people putting the peace ties on weapons here in STL know better!
I think they do. Having attended your faire on Memorial day weekend I went thru the gate the people there looked at my ties and motioned me thru. Good Job
MN is quite strict about the peace tie. The front gate always checks weapons and puts a zip strip on them. I have a ballic dagger which I wear traditionally. I always pick a nice young wench at the gate, walk up and present my dagger and say. Put the tie just above the balls.
Quote from: Hatter on February 11, 2009, 02:39:32 PM
MN is quite strict about the peace tie. The front gate always checks weapons and puts a zip strip on them. I have a ballic dagger which I wear traditionally. I always pick a nice young wench at the gate, walk up and present my dagger and say. Put the tie just above the balls.
You are such a baaaaaad man. ;D
Thank you, I try!
Hatter - would it not prolong the tying and hold up the line ??? ;D
On one occasion it did hold up the line. The fair wench was so embarrassed that she could not perform the function. She turned 3 shades of red and fumbled with the zip tie. She finally had to get another gate person to do it.
The poor Lass. :(
To sound somewhat grumpy, if those carrying swords won't take the responsibility to keep track of the tips so that others get jabbed in the shins with them, is it any wonder that events that permit carrying require that they be peace tied? Too many folks feel that it is the responsibility of others to take precautions to avoid the tips of their swords. Back in the days when I carried a rapier, I used a baldric and had it rigged so that my sword was nearly verticle when walking around. I could readjust it to an angled carry if the situation warranted it. Now, I just carry a knife or dagger. They range in length from around 5 inches to a dirk that's around fifteen inches. They're peace tied except when being used while eating.
At RPFS, the Sword of State is carried in parades unsheathed as are some of the swords carried in some of the other parades. Some of the shows have staged sword fights and there is the fencing arena.
Salamander Armory (www.atar.com) enforces the state law that potential customers must be eighteen before they can handle items on display for sale. Customers are allowed to test for balance--unless they appear to be drunk and might pose a risk.
Good show CH. Common sense will out. 8)
Not as bad as me, I like to find a young pretty thing and have her tie my two hand sword(for those FF buffs its a replica of clouds sword from ff7) then ask her if she has ever done one THAT BIG.
My friend loves the nintendo charicter link.
He tried to get into fest with a longbow (no arrows on his person)
he was told he would have to unstring it and that ment cutting the string ::)
but he could have had a quiver full of arrows to stab a dosen patrons. ROFL
My dull / unsharpened two handed sword must be peace tied but my son can carry a 5' staff with a 2lb acrylic "crystal" ball on the end Like I couldent beat someone stupid with that in 2.2 seconds.
I would also think the drunkards would be more apt to use the blunt wepons since they seem safer/non deadly.
I'm making my blade a wrap so I can wield it but have the blade/tip still covered. kinda a sheath inside the scabberd.
Allthough I'm thinking of makeing a VERY real looking wood blade would love them to have me piece tie that since there are 100 other wooden swords that arnt.
unfortunatly peace tie rules need to be and I realy dont mind that much but they are needed and I respect them most of the time ;D
I often carry a black walnut staff about five and a half feet long. I'm always amused when people ask me why I'm not armed like the other scots.
Of course I will also carry a wooden cain down town if I know I'm going to be around late at night and laught when people ask me if I worry about being unarmed down town that late at night.
LOL ...Don Juan has frequently told people that he would do more damage with his cane than his sword.
The cane is solid hickory and has a 4 pound brass head.
Flintlocks, cannons, canes, walking staffs, wooden weapons, arrows, hammers/flails/maces etc... not to mention the "cannon on a stick" I plan on bringing with me. Wonder what else I can bring that loopholes the "safety" rules. ;)
Most of you know my stand on weapons policies at faire, so I will not expound here. However I believe the original question had to do with drawing your blade at faire. Now I will go on record as saying that I would not draw my blade outside of a fencing corral just to show off or show someone my sword and that I could not be drunk enough to do that. However I will also say that there is 1 situation that not only would I draw my blade but I would use it, and that would be if some drunk were coming at me with a drawn blade, at that point it is self defence and I would defend myself. I am sure that faire management would say "call for security" rrrriiiggghhhtttt!!!!!! The guy is 10 feet from me and security is God only knows where, by the time they get there I could be dead or worse.
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that is why Templars are always welcome at faires I reign at.
I have yet to visit a faire where a playtron is allowed to draw a steel blade.
Arizona always has had a peace tie the weapon policy.
I will agree with most of the people here saying that the people who know how to use a weapon are neer the people I have to worry about-
Although I did see a patron bring in a 40 pound war hammer with the cutest little peace tie on it-
Quote from: crazyrennie on June 11, 2009, 02:01:41 PM
Although I did see a patron bring in a 40 pound war hammer with the cutest little peace tie on it-
lol, reminds me of the gent I saw at VARF opening weekend, carrying a halberd with the bladed edges wrapped. He was, however, carrying it free-handed. I'm just scratching my head going, "Like that still wouldn't do lethal damage as is." I'm also greatly amused when I see people walking around, their sword peace-tied to the frog, but no scabbard to the blade... mostly your rapiers and sabers, of course. The aforementioned "tip to the shin" comment.
Personally, I don't have any argument about peace-ties, except it makes me have to remove my belt after faire is done (since I transport my weapon in the trunk... no sense having the potential twitchy trooper >.>) which is a bit of a pain. But it's preferable to be carrying a blade, even tied. Of course, being military, not like I'm going to draw on someone that isn't threatening me directly, but then I do know quite a few guys that probably would, so totally understandable when these faires have their insurance policy to worry about.
Besides, alcohol's bad enough with some people. Sharp, pointy objects in the mix? Definitely a bad combination.
Quote from: Carl Heinz on February 13, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
At RPFS, the Sword of State is carried in parades unsheathed as are some of the swords carried in some of the other parades. Some of the shows have staged sword fights and there is the fencing arena.
The sword is no longer carried unsheathed. Since it the sheath has a Tudor Rose as well as the ER on it, it looks more impressive as it precedes the Queen's chair. (How do I know this, I'm the fool responsible for scheduling the guy carrying it)
It is drawn on occasion during the Queen's show tho.
There are some groups (on cast) that are allowed to draw in the streets. However, these groups have practiced together, each member has studied for over a year and has passed their Scholar's test. Street fights are generally choreographed.
These groups also have demonstrations at the Maypole daily.
Master John Davies
aka
James "Jimmy" Mares
Men's Captain
Queen's Court, RPF
I can't tell you how many times I've walked into faire forgetting to peace tie my sword...no one says a thing. I've never drawn it, and never will unless some drunken idiot decides to start hacking away at folk....
Hi, Jimmy-
Hadn't noticed since, if I'm out, I'm generally trying to get out of the way. All you folks need is a choke point with Lightning in the middle of it. I generally try to be in the yard during Queen's Prog so that I won't get in the way.
Btw, we're losing another Cuthie to The Gentleman Adventurers.
Glad to see yet another RPFSer here.
Carl
Honestly, I have got to say that I really liked the enforcement and style of peaceties at my home faire. At BARF you are welcome to bring in a blade, or at least you have recently, as long as it is peacetied. However at times in the past carious individuals would remove their tie and pull steal. Sometimes it is someone trying to show off there craftsmanship, however sometimes, though a patron may mean no harm, sometimes they are drunk or tipsy and it makes for a bad situation. To fix this the show now uses bright orange zip ties and let the cast know to look out for weapons that do not have one and let the SM know. We the cast are very rarely ever allowed to draw our weapons unless: in the fight field, a wedding for arches, knighting ceremonies, and other pre-approved special events. I think it keeps everyone safer. besides just having them on you creates the look, not brandishing the steel all the time anyways. Just my thoughts.
Ciao Tutti
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on April 22, 2009, 11:15:15 AM
However I will also say that there is 1 situation that not only would I draw my blade but I would use it, and that would be if some drunk were coming at me with a drawn blade, at that point it is self defence and I would defend myself. I am sure that faire management would say "call for security" rrrriiiggghhhtttt!!!!!! The guy is 10 feet from me and security is God only knows where, by the time they get there I could be dead or worse.
Is it bad that I
almost want this to happen? ::)
Quote from: Anna Iram on February 04, 2009, 02:40:24 PM
Jack Daw, if the Italians wore kilts and carried such large weapons as the Scots they'd be in the running for the ribbons too. :D
Oh really! Signora, do not think that because we are fancy, it does not mean we are not packing. Great measures must be taken to carry out his Holiness' vision...especially around your heretic King and Queen!
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Quote from: BLAKDUKE on April 22, 2009, 11:15:15 AM
However I will also say that there is 1 situation that not only would I draw my blade but I would use it, and that would be if some drunk were coming at me with a drawn blade, at that point it is self defence and I would defend myself. I am sure that faire management would say "call for security" rrrriiiggghhhtttt!!!!!! The guy is 10 feet from me and security is God only knows where, by the time they get there I could be dead or worse.
Is it bad that I almost want this to happen? ::)
And as much as this is frowned upon...thats why my peace tie is something that can come off quickly. I've never pulled my sword in any manner at faire, while sober or drunk. But if some drunkard (or just run of the mill idiot) starts singing away...my blade is coming out, for the good of myself and anyone else unlucky enough to be in their way that can't pull their sword...
Quote from: knightofistari on December 18, 2009, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: The Scottish Knight on December 17, 2009, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on April 22, 2009, 11:15:15 AM
However I will also say that there is 1 situation that not only would I draw my blade but I would use it, and that would be if some drunk were coming at me with a drawn blade, at that point it is self defence and I would defend myself. I am sure that faire management would say "call for security" rrrriiiggghhhtttt!!!!!! The guy is 10 feet from me and security is God only knows where, by the time they get there I could be dead or worse.
Is it bad that I almost want this to happen? ::)
And as much as this is frowned upon...thats why my peace tie is something that can come off quickly. I've never pulled my sword in any manner at faire, while sober or drunk. But if some drunkard (or just run of the mill idiot) starts singing away...my blade is coming out, for the good of myself and anyone else unlucky enough to be in their way that can't pull their sword...
Indeed. I don't pretend to be an expert swordsman, but I do have enough expeirience to defend myself and others.
Hopefully, nothing like that will ever happen, but if it does, I hope there are people there to do something about it.
Mind telling me how you tie your sword to come out quickly? (you can send me a PM if you like)
Well guys, while I understand where you are coming from and certainly think that people have a right to defend themselves, I gotta say I am not sure I agree in this instance. I know that security and SM, while they are on site, may not be right there when it happens, but I still think that letting the proper authorities handle the situation with that guest. I am not saying that anyone is wrong for holding there positions in conversations with another person, but when a weapon becomes involved the situation changes it is not at all cowardly to remove yourself from the situation and would indeed be more noble to help those around you get away from some idiot who decides to pull a weapon for whatever reason at a production in an aggressive manner. I am sure that there will be responses to this stating that no matter what if someone pulls steel they will retaliate. But the reality is that if someone is getting heated and you think a situation like that may occur it is better to laugh off the idiocy and just remove oneself from the negative party before it gets too far. There is much to be remembered from the phrase "Discretion is the better part of valor." Also I think it is is the responsibility of patrons to keep there friends in check. If you know someone, while maybe harmless in intentions, is prone to drunkenness or getting temperamental and would consider pulling steel, it would be better if you didn"t let them come with a weapon, peace-tied or not. While your intentions to help others and defend yourself may be in the best intentions themselves, unfortunately there is a great risk that someone, cast or patron, may be collaterally injured in the process. It is my opinion that in a case where someone pulls steel and the other person pulls in response, rather than just leaving the person and using discretion and common sense around a person who may be off their rocker, that both individuals should be removed and trespassed from the production site. It may seem very high school, but the safety of everyone is the highest priority. and there are people to enforce and handle those situations. Bottom line: if you think it may happen and you are in a confrontation with someone who may, just leave the area and let the right people know.
Right, just as a warning to keep things back on track. What people are talking about is darn close to advocating carrying weapons that can be drawn easily, in case they have to duel with someone.
That isn't going to continue in this thread. Please stay on topic with the wherefores of rules for such things (in the varioius faires), and not how to circumvent them.
thanks!
Quote from: The Scottish Knight on December 18, 2009, 05:08:09 PM
Indeed. I don't pretend to be an expert swordsman, but I do have enough expeirience to defend myself and others.
Hopefully, nothing like that will ever happen, but if it does, I hope there are people there to do something about it.
I am probably as close to an "expert swordsman" as they come. I won't bore people here with credentials (PM me if you really want them). I will point out that at every faire I have ever done there ARE people there to do something about such a problem. They are called SECURITY and POLICE. PLEASE let them do ther jobs. Taser's and pepper spray are far better than sword wounds. I will defer to badges every time.
L. Dale Walter
Director
Knights of Iron
Quote from: Visconte Vincente on December 20, 2009, 12:44:43 AM
Well guys, while I understand where you are coming from and certainly think that people have a right to defend themselves, I gotta say I am not sure I agree in this instance. I know that security and SM, while they are on site, may not be right there when it happens, but I still think that letting the proper authorities handle the situation with that guest. I am not saying that anyone is wrong for holding there positions in conversations with another person, but when a weapon becomes involved the situation changes it is not at all cowardly to remove yourself from the situation and would indeed be more noble to help those around you get away from some idiot who decides to pull a weapon for whatever reason at a production in an aggressive manner. I am sure that there will be responses to this stating that no matter what if someone pulls steel they will retaliate. But the reality is that if someone is getting heated and you think a situation like that may occur it is better to laugh off the idiocy and just remove oneself from the negative party before it gets too far. There is much to be remembered from the phrase "Discretion is the better part of valor." Also I think it is is the responsibility of patrons to keep there friends in check. If you know someone, while maybe harmless in intentions, is prone to drunkenness or getting temperamental and would consider pulling steel, it would be better if you didn"t let them come with a weapon, peace-tied or not. While your intentions to help others and defend yourself may be in the best intentions themselves, unfortunately there is a great risk that someone, cast or patron, may be collaterally injured in the process. It is my opinion that in a case where someone pulls steel and the other person pulls in response, rather than just leaving the person and using discretion and common sense around a person who may be off their rocker, that both individuals should be removed and trespassed from the production site. It may seem very high school, but the safety of everyone is the highest priority. and there are people to enforce and handle those situations. Bottom line: if you think it may happen and you are in a confrontation with someone who may, just leave the area and let the right people know.
I completely agree with what you are saying. And if it could be done, I'd say that everyone with a weapon at the door, needs to have a official Faire bright orange zip tie placed on their weapon and if its taken off the weapon gets confiscated till the end of faire where you can pick it up at the security area. Nor am I advocating dueling, etc. I am merely speaking of self defense when there are no other options.
I do not hang with anyone that would ever pull their swords in anger, etc. But then again most of my friends are not idiots....
There are many idiots at Faire that would love and think its cool to pull their swords and hack away at someone that they don't like or has slighted them in some way...and then when you add alcohol to that....??
All I'm saying is at certain very large faires, security is not always near at all. And if an incident ever happened I would not want others or myself to get hurt while waiting or running for the nearest cop which might be a mile away.
My old Kempo teacher always told me, "I'd rather be judged by twelve then carried by six."
Quote from: knightofistari on December 25, 2009, 02:41:33 PM
There are many idiots at Faire that would love and think its cool to pull their swords and hack away at someone that they don't like or has slighted them in some way...and then when you add alcohol to that....??
All I'm saying is at certain very large faires, security is not always near at all. And if an incident ever happened I would not want others or myself to get hurt while waiting or running for the nearest cop which might be a mile away.
I have been doing shows since 1981. That's 28 years folks. I have NEVER seen anything like this happen. Back in the day (1983-84) I got drawn on a couple of times (dark ages and all that) but I have never seen, nor even heard of anyone patron attacking another patron at a show.
Lets not get all bent about something that just doesn't happen. Before someone says "It could..." sure, anything -could- happen.
L. Dale Walter