Believe it or not, some changes have finally been made to the web site. The Themed weekends have been decided and are listed as well as some entertainment (all Colorado entertainers). Nothing mentioned of the local entertainers or cast. The pictures of the cast on the front page are still the Colorado cast which seems like an insult to our cast.
Check it out and reply on the Feedback page where it says "The input of our patrons and participants is greatly appreciated. If you have any questions or comments please direct them to the link below."
If enough people respond they will realize, hopefully, how important it is. Our local cast and entertainers are what draws the majority of the gate and not people who may be known on the ren circuit but not known in Pittsburgh.
Notice there is no Pirate weekend. Two new themed weekends, "Music and Dance" and "The Italian Renaissance"
Quote from: Terry Griffith on July 11, 2008, 08:21:23 AM
Notice there is no Pirate weekend. Two new themed weekends, "Music and Dance" and "The Italian Renaissance"
What the ....
Well, at least they have a Celtic Weekend! I think Lady Guinness and I will be up on closing weekend for Mardi Gras Sept 27 - 28. But we need to work out the details.
No pirate weekend?! Tis blasphemy! Although with an Italian weekend, it will give me a great opportunity to wear my regal gown.
Scotsman, that settles it. The last themed weekend will be henceforth known as "Scotsman and Lady Guinness Weekend".
Scarlett, regal is better. I look forward to seeing it...and you.
What's up with no pirate weekend??? That's not even fair. ???
Scarlett, I'm betting that regal outfit is stunning.
Quote from: Terry Griffith on July 11, 2008, 09:47:21 AM
Scotsman, that settles it. The last themed weekend will be henceforth known as "Scotsman and Lady Guinness Weekend".
Your going to give Lady Guinness a big head over this one! All I will get is a big hangover ;D
Hmmmm....I see Cast In Bronze is back again this year. It is a very nice show, but I sure hope they move him out of the Shady Glenn.
Alas, no. But we have been promised some sort of a wall in back of the bells to reflect the sound up the hill instead of down to our stage. As if that would work.
Quote from: Terry Griffith on July 11, 2008, 12:19:44 PM
Alas, no. But we have been promised some sort of a wall in back of the bells to reflect the sound up the hill instead of down to our stage. As if that would work.
As my darling Brogan just commented, it's like putting an electric guitar in the middle of a chamber orchestra. Each has its own good qualities, but unless done a la Trans-Siberian Orchestra, the two should never be combined!
Quote from: Scotsman on July 11, 2008, 08:47:00 AM
. . . I think Lady Guinness and I will be up on closing weekend for Mardi Gras Sept 27 - 28. But we need to work out the details.
Lady Guiness, I'll save some beads for you! :o
Pirates smirates...
Hmm so they have finally done something to the site...Yet it is a slap to our cast that they have not changed the facing page.
Merde!!! thats not even our gate....
BTW, I realized there is no link to the Pittsburgh Faire on this site so here it is....
http://www.pgh-renfest.com
Thanks, DuCoeur. That's something I should have included but I'm still used to the stickeys on every section that have a link. Of course up until now, there was no reason to go to the web site.
There's still not much of a reason.
Actually I think that's a mirror site. The "official" site is http://www.pittsburghrenfest.com/
Did I see a mention of Scottish athletic events. They never even asked me what I liked to do!
Get it, my name is Scott. My type of events that I like. Guess it is not that funny if I have to leave footnotes. ???
Let's see. There will be penny pinching, kilt tossing and the event that is always a crowd pleaser, the tug o' ribbon.
Hey Terry how come you're not mentioned on the website? I mean crap at this point I think you're Pittsburgh's ONLY local performer and they don't even have you listed!
Why should this year be any different? I guess I'll have to move to Colorado to get on the web page.
In true renaissance fashion, they don't know that web sites are a marketing tool.
It's a shame that PRF has become a just a tool for Rocky Mt Festivals, Inc (CO). Here's a portion from the email I recently sent to Lori:
"...I noticed an absence of cast and local performers from the 'Entertainment' listing and throughout your web site, and I just wanted to let you know that I hope this does not mean that there will not be a local representation on the entertainment schedule. I have been looking forward to seeing the lineup for this year so that I will know who I might get to see at the faire. As an advocate for the local performers, it saddens me to think they might not be justly represented at PRF--both at the faire itself and on the web site, where they have an opportunity for a little national exposure..."
Yeah that point saddens me alot too(and not only becaz I am a local performer). I'm all about supporting your local peoples first. I found it kind of amusing that I didn't get rehired and then saw the 2 Colorado Jester actors being brought in. I'm passed the point of being urked I'm not being hired back into the faire this year. Now just amused since I can finally take a step back and look at all the odd(poor) decisions being made by him.
:P But as they say "It's Jim's toy, he can play with it how he wants"
Maybe if he hears enough of the cries from people like you GW he'll wake up. I know ALOT of familiar faces people will be missing this year. Both on cast & in vending booths.
Pester, your case just reinforces the point that it's driven by the CO-machine.
I did receive a response to my email:
Good Afternoon Barb,
Thank you for your inquiry regarding this year's entertainment line-up at the Pittsburgh Renaissance Festival.
As of the 2007 season, the Festival has been owned by Rocky Mt. Festivals who also owns the Colorado Renaissance Festival. We too share a webmaster who as well wears several other hats in both companies. I am sure that besides trying to achieve uniformity and unity between the two Festivals by having very similar websites, it is done for ease of maintaining the websites as well.
I will certainly pass your input onto the owner of the Festival.
I am happy to tell you that many returning cast members as well as local talent mixed up with new national acts that most of us have not seen before are on the line-up. We , as well, are still contracting and talking to people.
A great promotional CD that will go to all media was just released. All of the footage on the CD was filmed here at the {Pittsburgh site last season...it is exceptional!
Thanks again for your input....hope to see you later this summer.
Regards,
Lori Hughes
Public Relations
Pittsburgh Renaissance Festival
SO...all the weekends will be PIRATES! Visit Morgans Bounty (looks like the back end of a ship) directly located across from the (ummmm) Pirate Pub! (still no Guiness?!)
AND according to the website we have a NEW cast of villagers...(so dear playtrons don't feel left out, they snub their own cast as well!) they wouldn't post a picture of those we haven't yet seen!
BUT Scarlett...that gown...darling nobody looks as good as you do in drapes! Will you help me plot the plunder for dear Ducouer saying that nasty Pirates smirates comment?
As for King Charming, he will not be on cast this year either. He will be joining me at the ship as much as possible. I hear that his "son" Prince Charming will return but without Sir Dashing at his side.
Scotsman and Lady Guiness, you will be our honored guests on ANY weekend you decide to grace us with your presence!
FINALLY - don't forget opening weekend is 2 for one coupons available at Wendy's again this year - that will be the best and only opportunity for savings (unless the establishment has completely changed with the economy, which I highly doubt!)
Quote from: GypsyWriter on July 15, 2008, 03:39:38 PM
Pester, your case just reinforces the point that it's driven by the CO-machine.
I did receive a response to my email:
Good Afternoon Barb,
Thank you for your inquiry regarding this year's entertainment line-up at the Pittsburgh Renaissance Festival.
As of the 2007 season, the Festival has been owned by Rocky Mt. Festivals who also owns the Colorado Renaissance Festival. We too share a webmaster who as well wears several other hats in both companies. I am sure that besides trying to achieve uniformity and unity between the two Festivals by having very similar websites, it is done for ease of maintaining the websites as well.
I will certainly pass your input onto the owner of the Festival.
I am happy to tell you that many returning cast members as well as local talent mixed up with new national acts that most of us have not seen before are on the line-up. We , as well, are still contracting and talking to people.
A great promotional CD that will go to all media was just released. All of the footage on the CD was filmed here at the {Pittsburgh site last season...it is exceptional!
Thanks again for your input....hope to see you later this summer.
Regards,
Lori Hughes
Public Relations
Pittsburgh Renaissance Festival
I really hope the people receiving that CD don't expect to see the people on it at the festival this year. I know people who have been there longer than myself(counting Dave's ownership too) who won't be in attendance this year. So if they are coming to see some of those people they will be sadly disappointed.
As for the "unity" thing. Really I'm a webmaster, there's a difference between having a template and just plain lazy. I would think that ANY festival would want to promote their locals more so than the national acts. Especially these national acts no one in pgh area has heard of. I'm sure they may be wonderful shows and all don't get me wrong, but when I go to certain events every year I like to know my favorite acts are going to be there.(aka the reason I enjoy coming back each year)
As far as the "new cast" I'm sure that's up every year and take a glance at the contract thread, Dr M. and Nelle(yay!) are the only ones i see who we know that will be there(really if anyone knows other street that will be there speak up, I'm curious).
Even though I'm probably not going to be working pittsburgh this year in any regard(possibly looking into a vendor position) I'll still visit at very least. You are all my family after all. Also I think Lori does a great job never let it be thought I don't think she's awesome.
Quote from: PesterTheJester on July 15, 2008, 05:43:18 PM
As far as the "new cast" I'm sure that's up every year and take a glance at the contract thread, Dr M. and Nelle(yay!) are the only ones i see who we know that will be there(really if anyone knows other street that will be there speak up, I'm curious).
Hi, Pester,
Have you looked at the contract list lately? That list is updated whenever someone reports as having signed. Terry edits it. I was one of the first returning cast members to be listed although my position has changed slightly this year to my sister. Also I thought you knew Kip and Malie, both of whom are returning and have been listed on that post as such. I know of several other people who are returning but haven't openly declared it so, just told me in conversation. They are either not members of the forum or have chosen not to come forward at this time. Porter and Stout with Jennie will be returning also. We spoke with them at Great Lakes the other week.
Jan
Hey GW...
At least you recieved a response. Still Waiting for mine.
Hmmm...maybe mine was just too snarky. Not that I have a tendency to be snarky. Ok I do, but that is beside the point.
You know, kids, maybe its not a good idea to complain via the Feedback link. I thought it would make a difference but it's just creating more work for Lori. We're preaching to the choir here and now she has to answer everybody. I thought maybe she would just forward the messages to the web people in Co. but if she has to answer everybody then we're just making her life more difficult with no impact on the decision makers.
I really believe that people who look at a web site and see something other than the truth are turned off by it. Maybe it's not that way in Colorado but Pittsburgh is a lot more cerebral and technologically oriented. Some people only learn the hard way and when the analysis of the gate receipts is done, it may be realized then. I wish it would be realized before this season but it is already too late to correct the mistake.
Most people these days realize how easy it is to update a web page and they know it's not that time consuming. If there is a CD of video that was taken at our faire last year then there are tons of still pictures of the cast that could be used. As far as performers pictures and bios, thats something that every professional has ready to send so material is not the problem. Continuity has nothing to do with content. The same logo, layout, font and color scheme will maintain contenuity. All they need to update is the photos and the names and bios. A couple of hours work at most.
If time, material and continuity are not the problem then logic would dictate that the problem is something more idealistic and that won't be changed by anything we can say. Let the tide rise and fall where it may. All we can do is ride it to the best of our ability and enjoy the moment.
Quote from: Countess Westmorland on July 15, 2008, 07:30:37 PM
Quote from: PesterTheJester on July 15, 2008, 05:43:18 PM
As far as the "new cast" I'm sure that's up every year and take a glance at the contract thread, Dr M. and Nelle(yay!) are the only ones i see who we know that will be there(really if anyone knows other street that will be there speak up, I'm curious).
Hi, Pester,
Have you looked at the contract list lately? That list is updated whenever someone reports as having signed. Terry edits it. I was one of the first returning cast members to be listed although my position has changed slightly this year to my sister. Also I thought you knew Kip and Malie, both of whom are returning and have been listed on that post as such. I know of several other people who are returning but haven't openly declared it so, just told me in conversation. They are either not members of the forum or have chosen not to come forward at this time. Porter and Stout with Jennie will be returning also. We spoke with them at Great Lakes the other week.
Jan
;P Well that's 5 of you then. I know Porter & Stout will be back and that's awesome I love those guys dearly, but they're not "Local Talent" still in my mind.(though should still be mentioned on the website)
Also just noticed they're doing ANOTHER set of auditions for street characters. Wow that's just crazy. In the same month as your faire you're still holding auditions? Makes me wonder how short staffed they are for street. ;P Maybe it's just you 5 and John lol.
It didn't really matter to me whether or not I received a personal response, I just wanted to make sure someone knew my thoughts. And I still think that if enough people share their opinion it should become apparent to Lori that there is a general concensus. At that point, I would hope she would share this opinion with the web master or whoever has the power to make those changes.
It is the job of a "gatekeeper" to screen this kind of info--and also to pass it on when appropriate. If it's a matter of "preaching to the choir" then I would think Lori would be even more inclined to take these opinions to heart and at least give voice to them, whether or not she personally has the power to change anything.
I am truly looking forward to attending PRF again this year and hope to see many familiar faces.
I've followed this thread with great interest. It seems a deja vu to last years threads on the discontinuance of season passes and limited beer selections. I hate to sound like a defeatist, Lord knows I'm not, but when it comes to dealing with the new management/ownership of this faire you might as well save your breath. Concerns and/or suggestions are never acted upon, only received and acknowledged.
I will be shocked to see any changes to the website to include photos of local performers. Pittsburgh seems to be the red haired step child to Mr. Paradise and is treated as such.
I had hoped to see a more aggressive approach to ticket promotions, possibly even the return of season passes due to the extreme downward shift in the economy. No such luck. If the PTB does not expect to see attendance decline this year, they are mistaken. When people are deciding between gas and food, entertainment takes a back seat in a family's budget. I plan on making only 3 visits this year. Why give anymore of my hard earned money to a business that has no regard for it's local patronage?
Well I too sent an email to the website and got the exact same form letter that Pester got. It's true we may be making more work for Lori, but maybe she will forward it along to the PTB. If we do nothing then that's all we can expect. We need to voice our opinion and hope it's heard.
Lady Celynn
Quote from: Scarlett on July 16, 2008, 10:12:15 AM
I've followed this thread with great interest. ... If the PTB does not expect to see attendance decline this year, they are mistaken. When people are deciding between gas and food, entertainment takes a back seat in a family's budget. I plan on making only 3 visits this year. Why give anymore of my hard earned money to a business that has no regard for it's local patronage?
As the former marketing director of this festival it saddens me greatly to see our dear friends such as Scarlett who have been so supportive only planning to visit 3 times! It was lovely to see her at Great Lakes recently and she certainly traveled there without complaint. We all were so thankful last season to have our wondrous shire re-open...now it seems we are less content to have the opportunity to play among the fairies and wenches. (no pirates?!)
While it is true the PTB view this as a business, many of my fellow vendors are experiencing a decline nationwide at festivals averaging 30% from last year. Certainly there will be decisions that must be made that some, perhaps even many of us will not agree with. Yet, I for one continue to anticipate the excitement of morning gate...the boom of cannon...the flurry of getting every little thing ready...the tightening of the corsets...the raising of the cup...
The undertaking of this festival is huge. It is not a simple feat. Decisions are not likely to be swayed. Please consider the gate charge as a way to enjoy an entire day in our rare world that we did not always have. There will be some new exciting things...there will be some things missing. Join us and play. This is an opportunity to continue this family that we have built and it is not something to let slip by. We may not always have a shire so close by, let alone the one we love.
Of course...Maryland, PARF, Tuxedo, Ohio...there certainly are plenty of faires vying for your attention!
I agree with Charity that we REALLY need to support the PRF. We can voice our opinions over the lack of acknowledgement of our wonderful local vendors, terrific local talent and great cast members, but don't let that stop you from coming and having fun. We will miss lots of people who for one reason or another will not be returning, but that doesn't mean that there's not lots of new friends to be made. We all need to remember how we felt when it was cancelled a couple of years ago. We don't want it to happen to us again. I know I plan on making most if not all weekends and I hope I will see lots of you there too. Remember we're Renn family and family sticks together.
I, of course will be attending PRF for several weekends through out the run. But I do not feel the...urgency to be there as I had in past years.
I will "sacrifice" PRF, alas, to attend Ohio and even Maryland during it's run. Something I would have never considered in years past. This is due to the fact that Aside from the most excellent people (as Celynn said my ren Family), The afore mentioned faires have more to offer...they have retained the magic and it has even grown over the years. Pittsburgh has lost its spark...
There was such a feeling of fear from the vendors and cast of PRF last year due to the tyranical reign of the PTB that it, quite frankly, showed in the faces of everyone. Perhaps I am more empathic then most, but that is what i felt everytime I walked through the gates. Tension and Fear. That is no way to run a a place of magic and wonderment.....
Charity, your words are quite eloquent, and oh, so true. And Lady Celynn, I agree with you whole-heartedly.
I believe this faire is growing, and getting better in the process, and it will continue to improve. The faires in Ohio, Maryland, PA, and other places, have also had periods of upheaval. They weathered through the tough times, and thanks to the support of the people who loved them, they grew and matured and became the wonderful faires that they are now.
We have a loyal fan base who loves us. And, from what I saw this weekend while promoting the faire, we also have new people who are discovering us each year. I met so many people this weekend who were there last year and can't wait to come back, as well as others who are going for their first time.
I remember when the new ownership took over. I thought it might take them a year or two to get settled and run smoothly. Then I spoke to people from other faires (like Ohio and MD) who said it will probably be more like 3-5 years. I see now they are right. It's going to take a lot of time and effort. And we're among the privileged people who get to watch, and even have a part in, its success.
Here, here, Professor. Our "Spark" comes from each of us and is only magnified by its reflection in each other. It doesn't come from management nor is it dampened by poor management. We have a cast that, unlike other faires I have visited, actually play with the patrons, playtrons and each other. Which, btw, cannot be noticed from the confines of the pub. I think a great deal is missed by those who come to faire, sit in the pub and criticize it's spirit. Some of the negativity I have seen on this very forum has done more to stifle the magic than all the threats of tyrannical management. All management can do is fire people. To be denied our wonderment and creativity with each other is the fatal stab in the heart. The Muppets said it best,
"Why are there so many songs about rainbows? That's part of what rainbows do.
Rainbows are memories, sweet dream reminders–/ What is it you'd like to do?
All of us watching and hoping you find it, we know that you're watching too.
Someday you'll find it, the Rainbow Connection, the lovers, the dreamers and you."
And rennies too.
Hello All,
Though you may know me in real life, this is the first time I've decided to jump on the board. :) Some of you may know me by my RL name, Laurie or some may know my "World Renown" Kitty shoes....but that aside..Hello to all my friends from the outside world, I hope you are well.
I wanted to comment on the new Jesters to the faire. I noticed that is was said they were both from Colorado. I wanted to correct this, as I spent the afternoon with one of them and she's a local girl, by the name of Zoey. I think she's going to fit in quite well at faire, very smart girl, and looking forward to her first faire. She seems like a great person and I'm sure you'll find her a great fit and like her a lot. She's local, let's show her some support.
As for the postings about the Faire it's self....I know I enjoyed myself like crazy last year and I think most of you did too. I know we'll miss some of the local talent who will not be returning, but for some shows, maybe it's time to bring in new blood and ideas. I know we may not be thrilled about the amount of people not of "local stock" but who knows, maybe the new acts will be something you'd like. Everything goes through growing pains, but it we jump ship now, we'll never find out what this ugly duckling could grow into (aren't I great at mixing metaphors.) I for one intend to support the Faire as much as I can, whenever I'm not traveling for shoots. After all, much like family, it's the only local one we got. :) Stepping off my high horse and signing off.....
Terry,
Besides being a very true statement, you just became my hero for quoting the Muppets! I think I need to request that at your next show.... :) How's you Kermit impression?
Quote from: Terry Griffith on July 19, 2008, 06:34:44 PM
"Why are there so many songs about rainbows? That's part of what rainbows do.
Rainbows are memories, sweet dream reminders–/ What is it you'd like to do?
All of us watching and hoping you find it, we know that you're watching too.
Someday you'll find it, the Rainbow Connection, the lovers, the dreamers and you."
Ok I see where this is going...going after those of us who enjoy the pub?
I also understand that most of you are also employees. I have been doing Renaissance Faires going on 6 or seven years. For some of you, Working at PRF was your first experience so I understand its significance. I also think some of you are missing the point....
Again, like last year, WE (yes us pub goers, those of us who pay an entrance fee and financially support the Faire) are having our comments twisted and misconstrued as being unsupportive. We want to support this Faire!!! We want to be able to have a Faire we can say we are proud of. The PTB are not giving us anything!!!
And if it was not for returning Favorites (Yes you the employees, cast and crew) and new Favorites very well met and instant friends, I would not be there as often as I might if you were not there.
DEar friends this is not a criticism of you, or your talents to make us laugh, and sing along and play. I just know what I "felt" when I walked around the shire (contrary to popular belief that I don't actually leave the pub). I felt tension and fear of the PTB.
My two cents and I know thats all its worth.
Quote from: DuCoeur on July 20, 2008, 05:15:02 AM
Ok I see where this is going...going after those of us who enjoy the pub?
... We want to support this Faire!!! ...
And if it was not for returning Favorites (Yes you the employees, cast and crew) and new Favorites very well met and instant friends, I would not be there as often as I might if you were not there....
DEar friends this is not a criticism of you, or your talents to make us laugh, and sing along and play. I just know what I "felt" when I walked around the shire (contrary to popular belief that I don't actually leave the pub). I felt tension and fear of the PTB.
My two cents and I know thats all its worth.
Dearest friends and family....
it takes all of us...but especially the folks who pay to come through the gate, to make this festival happen! I have know most of you for several seasons and I realize this tension is not fun or what we were used to. However...as I read these more recent posts many true things have been said. It will take awhile to grow through some changes. We are fortunate to even be open after a complete shut down due to bankruptcy. There is a huge financial commitment involved and last season was a time of observation. Perhaps this year a few adjustments will make the tensions less. Perhaps we won't experience the same "tension and fear" that even our paytrons are saying were displayed.
The folks who enjoy our pub are the villagers who spend enough to allow the cast to now be paid - unlike previous years when many of us were not. The years of attendance (in my opinion) are what give those paytrons the experience to be our ambassadors and represent us well. Ducouer and others have always stood in our honor and kept faithful to this faire, even when times were very trying. Generally there are few shoppes or shows that he does not know about, so he
does leave the pub! (you don't think they sell that great garb he wears at the PUB do you?!) I have been to other festivals with Ducouer and others of you, he (& you) knows the all of the regional faires, he can compare many aspects, he will be able to tell you any number of similarities and or differences....and his/your opinion is quite valuable. It is sad for him, or any of us to feel our two cents are only worth as much. But I definately relate to how he is feeling! Frankly, without the lot of us it is not likely this show would have gotten far off the ground last year.
It is a new season. Some of our friends will not be present. Many are not returning by choice, intimidation has a way of causing that to happen. Vendors we have known for years will be missing. This economy and the tensions that were mentioned are factors, and may be factors throughout the run. Plenty of things are not made easy (I would love some electricity connected at my booth so we could start working on it by now!) Cast members are just now beginning to get together for the first of their "rehearsals" while the director is still in Colorado. Plenty of details such as these continue to cause concern for many. So instead of the exciting flurry of getting festival ready which is what I remember from seasons in the past - we will scramble to get anything done in just a few weeks to make a presentation that might not be judged poorly by the public or the PTB.
It will be an interesting season...see you at the pub (from the window in my booth directly across the way!!) Now...what will we WEAR?! More pirates PLEASE!
Ever wonder what the vision of the PTB is? Take a look these pics of the ongoing season at their Colorado Festival. Warning there are PAGES of bellydancers! But, the morning gate show creates such excitement, when I was there the crowd grew and came early to watch so they could determine what to go to first - the entertainers feel honored to be chosen to do a few minutes at gate - it pumps up attendance at their shows all day. - Also - notice the calibre of the costuming and the more professional appearance. That's what our new owner (at least when I worked for him last year) wants to see. He doesn't want to see the cast sitting around complaining about the heat or kibitzing out of character in the foodcourt and at booths...SURE, providing a "greenroom" would have helped, but as enetertainers, appearance is everything and for those of you interested in what will make this festival more successful...take a look at what they are already doing in Colorado. You'll find some faces you know!
I found these on line. there are lots of pics. Just keep hitting next. I think this guy reallllly liked the belly dancers.
http://www.renaissancefaire.net/20080705-Colorado/lowres.htm (http://www.renaissancefaire.net/20080705-Colorado/lowres.htm)
DuCoeur and the rest of the Pub goers,
I hope you do not think I was attacking you, as this was never my intention. Instead I was trying to support PRF. I fully support Pub going, both at Faire and outside. Heck, I met most of you at the Harp for the first time. :) But like the family we all keep calling ourselves and many of us feel to be, we need to remember this...Though we may squabble amongst ourselves, we also need to be able to close ranks and stick together. Though we may not like all the choices the new management has made, it's still the reason many of us know each other and have this great Ren familly. *HUGS*
And Ducoer, if you keep whining....I may have to break out the whips and flying monkeys to make you stop :p
Em...Whips and flying monkeys? I've got to start whining more.
I would never deny anyone's enjoyment of faire no matter how they experience it. I'm glad the pub has a great mix of people enjoying it all. I apologise if I sounded a bit harsh about the Pubers. To a person, there's not one of the "Pirates Pub Regulars" that I am not honored to call friend. It's because of you that I can make a living inside and outside of the faire.
We all have different ways of enjoying PRF. The important thing is to maintain the picture and the experience for everyone. I think our cast does that very well. The stage acts, the joust, the food, the vendors and very lovely privies are there to weave their magic but the soul of the festival is the cast. I firmly believer that the cast improved 100% over the previous incarnation and I expect to see innovations in their story line and interaction again this year.
Thank you Charity for the kind words. You have, more eloquently, related my "feelings" then I did. And as always you have my love and respect.
FoxGlove...I get it, and now after talking to you yesterday at GLMF you do too. Can we still discuss the whips and flying monkey's???
To anyone else that I may have offended I apologize...You are all masters of your craft and I would never say that you are not doing your jobs. I would never say that the general audiences "saw" the tension at Faire. But I know you. I know people and while you were all consumate proffesionals at all times, it is what I "felt" in the off performance moments we shared.
Lastly that any of my comments are viewed as a personal attack or even personnlly negative is soley the interpretation of the reader. This is a forum for open discussion.
So thats it...in the words of the great Stan Lee " 'nuff said."
Quote from: FoxgloveLupine on July 19, 2008, 11:56:43 PM
Hello All,
Though you may know me in real life, this is the first time I've decided to jump on the board. :) Some of you may know me by my RL name, Laurie or some may know my "World Renown" Kitty shoes....but that aside..Hello to all my friends from the outside world, I hope you are well.
I wanted to comment on the new Jesters to the faire. I noticed that is was said they were both from Colorado. I wanted to correct this, as I spent the afternoon with one of them and she's a local girl, by the name of Zoey. I think she's going to fit in quite well at faire, very smart girl, and looking forward to her first faire. She seems like a great person and I'm sure you'll find her a great fit and like her a lot. She's local, let's show her some support.
As for the postings about the Faire it's self....I know I enjoyed myself like crazy last year and I think most of you did too. I know we'll miss some of the local talent who will not be returning, but for some shows, maybe it's time to bring in new blood and ideas. I know we may not be thrilled about the amount of people not of "local stock" but who knows, maybe the new acts will be something you'd like. Everything goes through growing pains, but it we jump ship now, we'll never find out what this ugly duckling could grow into (aren't I great at mixing metaphors.) I for one intend to support the Faire as much as I can, whenever I'm not traveling for shoots. After all, much like family, it's the only local one we got. :) Stepping off my high horse and signing off.....
Let me correct your correction about me. ACTUALLY both Jesters listed ON THE WEBSITE are for one MALE and for 2 Colorado Acts. I was not refering to street cast at all. I was refering to Arsene Dupin & The Marquiche, King of Fools. Both of which can be found http://pgh-renfest.com/Entertainment%20Acts.html here. I have no idea who Zoey is nor is she listed anywhere on the website(as I don't think street cast generally gets listed on any ren faire site), so I speak no ill will against her.
And also I'm not saying the new "foreign" acts are bad acts, I'm just one to support local talent first. It's both economically smart & have a fan base of people who would be attending the faire already here. If you have 2 Acts, one is a good act with a good fan base is say Colorado(for the sake of arguement) and the 2nd act is a good act with a good fan base in Pittsburgh(for the sake of arguement) for your Pittsburgh Faire, who would be the logical to hire? IMHO it would be the local performer because he has the audience that is actually able to attend the faire. Also I'm not saying don't hire ANY non-local acts by any means, but I would have more local to tri-state entertains than those not from the area. Granted I have no business or economics degree so perhaps I'm missing something here, but this is what sounds logical to me.
As for "what's going on in CO", please feel free to read the pages up in the CO section about the new "appearance code" JP is putting into place at his faires. As I said before I know "It's Jim's toy and he can play with it anyway he wants", but really If you look to see the new appearance requirements it describes most of the people who do circuit. Not to use a label but it's some what easier here. Hippies and those of the like. The new appearance code prohibits Dreads, Guaged Ears, Ecessive piericing, tattoos, and long beards(trust me I was asked about mine more than once), etc. And mind you none of this falls under the "because those aren't period" reasoning. It's just how Jim wants it. A friend of a friend was turned away as a merchant because he had dreads. He DROVE to CO only to find out he had to drive back home because of his hair. Now when I first reflected on all this I thought "Maybe I'm just too far in and I can't see this from an outsider view anymore" So I mentioned this to my mom(who's only reason for coming to the faire is becaz I work there and she supports my endevors) one day and her first immediate response was "Wait isn't that who works at the faire?". To which I responded "Wow I thought that was only my response" and next she said "Your dad hires a guy to do work for him who has dreadlocks and that man is a millionaire, I don't see how the hair means anything". I have to say Ren Faire is one of the last spots I thought I would see the Corp or Disney look come into play. Frankly is saddens me. I really didn't want to bring this up on the boards but I feel the need to now. Apparently it's thought that those who look that way drive customers away. I only wish I was making all this up because of some random angst I have for not being rehired, but sadly it's not the case. Check the CO boards if you doubt this, Mike(CO's Jack Sparrow) confirmed it all and at the same time is being attacked because of it because he's a dreaded pirate with a beard(of course his outfit is pre-approved by management)
I love my faires and I love my faire families. They are the reason I've been doing this for 8 years and will continue to do this for as long as I can. Any faire I've went to(even ones out of the country in Canada) I've ALWAYS been welcomed with open arms by every cast member and vendor I met. When I traveled to Canada with Steve(Pittsburgh's Jack) the first night after the faire, we were walking the camp grounds and came upon a circle of people, we walked over to join then, as we got near one of them stopped us at first and said "This is a memorial" to which we politely apologized and started to walk away, as we turned the guy said "Oh no, please stay, as long as you're respectful of it we would love to have you". The memorial was for a faire friend/family of theirs who passed between seasons. The stories they told of the person sounded so familiar to stories I hear all around faires. They went around the circle each telling a story about the man, when it came to us they asked if we would like to say anything, and we told them all about "The Queen Mum" and how she touched all of our lives in the short amount of time she was at the faire.(typing this and remembering her tears me up a bit I must confess). I mean it amazes me to no end still there we are 2 people from another country even and they welcome us into a MEMORIAL service without a 2nd thought because we were faire family now. This and my love of performing is the reason I do faires. There is not a faire out there you can go to that if something bad happens to you, you won't have 20 people trying to fix it. I whole heartly repeat, I love my faires and I love my faire families.
Quote from: DuCoeur on July 21, 2008, 07:03:42 AM
FoxGlove...I get it, and now after talking to you yesterday at GLMF you do too. Can we still discuss the whips and flying monkey's???
Wow, between you and Terry....If I'd known I would get this kind of response, I would only threaten/promised them if you stopped whining.... :P
If I may interject a thought or two or three or four...........
We are our experiences. We default to what we think is most important to aid a situation, based on our personal knowledge. Where one may think that the selection of entertainment is most important, others will disagree and feel that shopping is a priority.
We have a vast set of desires and needs expressed here. We have heard from patrons, entertainers and cast.
I agree with Charity. Patrons are the most important aspect of faire. Without the patrons, what would be the point of the festival? We can buy the food, decorate the banquet hall, and send out the invitations but if nobody comes, there is no party. So yes, Patrons are important. But those of us who put the party together also have certain expectations and needs as well. I would like to present a point of view from a vendor.
I have been a body artist for over 18 years and have worked many festivals, city fairs, private and corporate events. I have a wide array of experiences to draw from.... I have tried many things in order to grow and promote my business. It takes trial and error in order to figure out the best options to meet those needs. It didn't occur my first year........It didn't occur in my second year. It is an on-going procedure. I get many opinions from many people all the time with suggestions on what I should do to promote and improve my business. I welcome all opinions. But the fact is, most ideas that are thrown my way are ideas that I have tried before in the past eighteen years. It's not that I would ignore their opinions it's just that I've already tried it. Believe me, in eighteen years you try a lot of different ideas. Never would I say to someone....... "Nope, been there, tried that, doesn't work." I express my thanks to them for their idea. After all, I am thankful. I am always grateful to someone who feels generous enough to share ideas on my behalf. If it's an idea that's important enough for people to keep repeating it, I need to revisit it. So although the idea that was shared might be a moot point, I gather the information, keep it close at hand and save it in case I should want to try it again someday.
So even though you may feel that your ideas and opinions may be lost on the PTB. I would bet a dollar that they are not. The faire is a corporation. They have a lot of people to please. They have to please me too. I have a contract with the PTB. We have an agreement between each other. I agree to provide a beautiful environment, quality service and the best product I can to make the faire a desirable place to be and return to. They agree to promote me. Provide a safe and clean environment for me to work in. Make sure that they don't over saturate the market with the same type of vendors.
Now for the PTB not listening............... They are listening right here right now. I promise......... For example...... several months back there was a large discussion about the cast at Colorado pumping up their visibility. I for one wrote a long rant about how "invisible" the cast was............ how you can't find them, or know who was cast or not. After all I had been there a couple of years already and still didn't know who they were. I was totally unaware that the cast wore roses on their costume to help people to identify them. I knew that PRF did, but I had not even noticed the CORF roses. I checked my brochures, (I keep a copy from every year on file) to see if there was anything even mentioning the roses. There in small print was the information. This year, I open up the brochure and guess what was inside. A picture of a very large rose and an explanation of what it was all about........ Never did I contact the PTB about this...... It just happened....... So don't give up.... I'm sure they are listening.
I hope that you see that any "new" project takes time to grow. It needs time to reveal its needs. First you need to take care of the immediate issues, and then you can spend time on the polishing of the project. You can't plant your garden until you turn the ground and fertilize it. I came into this project with apprehension. But honestly, I feel that the PTB has a grand vision and I intend to be there when the whole thing springs into life. I just need to be patient and give the seeds time to germinate and grow. The faire is our ground and the people therein (including patrons, playtrons, cast, entertainment, vendors, management, grounds crew, security, carpenters, and owners) are the fertilizer, nurturing the grounds of Morelandshire until it sprouts with life and longevity.
I too am sad that some of the PRF cast has been released. Please understand, PRF is not the only faire undergoing cuts. Colorado has had 2 years of cast cuts, they certainly are not exempt from the weeding. And as far as local entertainment, there are many, many stage acts as well as cast that are not local to Colorado.
And the tension............. Have you ever been nervous on your first day at a new job? Well consider the feelings of the vendors and the cast. Your company has just undergone a major change and you now have a new boss. Of course you are on your toes and nervous. You want to stay in your job and you are doing everything possible to make that happen. It's not just a "faire thing". It happens in corporate American all the time. As a vendor, I want to be the one who management feels is the best choice for the job. I waited 6 years to get into the Colorado faire. Do you think I want to lose that opportunity? Heck no.........
I too feel the website is inadequate. But as mentioned above, it is a mirror of the Colorado website. Most Talent and Vendors are not listed. It only promotes what is new. After all, people really don't "read" websites.... They browse them. It's not personal.... There are some really beautiful Faire websites out there and I wish..............I wish............... I can only guess why they don't modernize their website........ Perhaps they feel their advertising dollars are better spent on Television and newsprint. I have to tell you........... The advertising campaign here in Colorado has been more than aggressive. I see it on TV all the time and in print form of many types. I don't know "officially" if the overall numbers are up for faire, but I can tell you by my sales............ the numbers are waaaaaay up. I have taken the time to let the PTB know this. I want them to know that their advertising dollars have been well spent.......... I am crossing my fingers that they are planning the same type of aggressive campaign in PA as they have here. After all......... New sales come from attendance, and that comes from getting the word out, not from the fact that "About Face Painting" is going to be there. Repeat customers come again because of that. In addition.......... The CORF opening weekend broke an 8 year record in attendance. So hold on to your boots ya'll........ I believe we are in for a wild ride this year! Woo Hoo!
How does that saying go???
There is no " I " in TEAM.............. I wanna be a team player. I need the patrons and the playtrons, I need the cast, I need the entertainers I need the musicians. As a vendor, I need all of you to make it work. I certainly don't want to be the unwanted step sister. It saddens me to think you may see Colorado as the "privileged" one. I was nervous to death, to introduce myself here. I was the one who felt like an outsider. But I was welcomed warmly. I am looking forward to returning to Morelandshire. I arrive a day or hopefully two before. Tight schedules keep me running at bare minimums.
I now have 2 pages of discussion. I'm sure I have more than bored you to tears. So I will cease and desist.
PS – Dearest Terry.... I really hope you get your wall. But...! 5 times a day people file in to hear the bells and 5 times a day they file out. And they file right past my booth and many others, as well as the pirates pub and your wonderful music pulls them right in!! Maybe they will work on the timing......
Mistress Charlotte,
As a new vendor this year to PRF you did bring me to tears but not by boredom! I had yet to hear such positive thoughts or reinforcement by an individual for a faire that is so loved and cherished and was starting to feel like an outcast myself because of my own perspective. Having been in business for seven years and participating in 40 to 50 shows a year, we have seen our share of the good and the bad, the unorganized, the over saturated, the "out in the middle of no where", and the shows that no one showed up to! Everyone has their own feeling or perspective, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to see it through a vendors eyes is an entirely different view. We have to have the faith, the respect, and the trust of those who run the event to know that what we are there for will be appreciated and the work and the money spent to build our "permanent structure" will not be lost in the eyes of those who are at opposite views of the PTB. To know that our work in our product will not go unnoticed and to have the respect and the friendship of not only those around us but those in cast, paytrons, vendors and mgmt. We want to thank you from the bottom of our hearts for putting this view out there and if you know it or not, thank you for giving us our first welcome by the words that you wrote. We are looking forward to a successful year at PRF and many more to come.
Respectfully,
Enchanted Wings
Vadoma (Jenni) & Boudicca (Barbara)
Quote from: Mistress Charlotte on July 22, 2008, 11:26:50 PM
You can't plant your garden until you turn the ground and fertilize it.
And let us not forget what real fertilizer is made of! LOL!
Thank you, Mistress Charlotte, for your time and effort in giving us another perspective. You make many good points that perhaps some of us hadn't considered. You are absolutely right...there's no telling what good things Jim might have in store for our faire. A little weeding here, a bit of fertilizer there, some new seeds in a few key places...who knows what might grow if given a chance!
Wouldn't it be great if he plans to make us grow as big as PARF or MDRF?! And we'll be able to say, "Yep, we were here when it was still just an infant!"
Thank you deer friend for sharing your thoughts and feelings with us. Can't wait to see you in August!
Quote from: FoxgloveLupine on July 20, 2008, 08:19:28 AM
....I may have to break out the whips and flying monkeys ....
We went to the Zoo today and I had to crack up when I saw this in the monkey house.
(http://www.pittsburghirish.org/uploadimages/monkeysign.jpg)
Terry,
But of course...do you really expect me to keep them at home? After all, they're quite messy and like to play with the whips a little too much! :)
Quote from: Terry Griffith on July 25, 2008, 12:00:16 AM
Quote from: FoxgloveLupine on July 20, 2008, 08:19:28 AM
....I may have to break out the whips and flying monkeys ....
We went to the Zoo today and I had to crack up when I saw this in the monkey house.
(http://www.pittsburghirish.org/uploadimages/monkeysign.jpg)
I noticed a familiar local face under the Entertainment section of the faire's website today.
Please forgive me for Colorado "intruding" into your thread ... I've been reading your posts, and many of you have good points.
I will say that I overheard many not-so-happy comments from people in Colorado (different areas) about all the money and effort that was flowing into your faire. So if people on both sides so to speak aren't thrilled, maybe something is being done right. And I'm not trying to make light of any of it ... just sharing an observation. And yes, I'm sure that the PTB are listening - and reading.
On another note, I wanted to point out that the one link to photos from the Colorado festival belong to an individual visiting from California. There are COUNTLESS of other photos, without nearly so many belly dancers. Besides, photos say more about the photographer than the faire, me thinks. Here's a link to a list of photo sites, if anyone wishes to see others:
http://www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/index.php?topic=2649.0 (http://www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/index.php?topic=2649.0)
Quote from: Scarlett on August 13, 2008, 11:15:20 AM
I noticed a familiar local face under the Entertainment section of the faire's website today.
Congrats to Darcy!! At least some of our acts are finally getting some recognition!!
Blushing, I don't know about money being poured into PRF. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't but the point here has been the lack of updates on the web site and that doesn't cost any money. Of all the things that are and could be done, that is the most beneficial to marketing and if there is any cost at all in making a 10 minute update to a web page then the webmaster is taking unfair advantage.
Horray for Darcy! It's a great picture of you and Jen, I wonder where it came from??? I can't wait to see your new act! Now if only we can get more pictures of the rest of our acts up, it would be great!
Quote from: Scarlett on August 13, 2008, 11:15:20 AM
I noticed a familiar local face under the Entertainment section of the faire's website today.
It looks like a two-headed belly-dancer. Boy! Could we sell tickets to see that!
It's nice that a local act is getting a little advertising. Hooray for the Sisters of Ameretat!
I know there already been alot of grumblein on here but now I'd like to put my two cents in. I am not a vendor, I am not part of the cast, I am a person who likes to come in costume and interact. I love our local performers, they are the ones I interact with. I like to interact with the vendors that I have seen in recent years. I would like to know if our local talent will be returning because this faire is the only chance I get to see these people. For example, I am friends with Cameo from the Wicked Wenches only because we met at the faire and then I recognized her when I saw her out of costume and character. It would be nice to have them back in the faire, as it would be nice to also have Aaron Bonk aka El Bonko back in the faire. He also became a good friend but the only time I ever saw him was at faire. I have no problem with new talent coming in, just keep old favorites in there too.
Another think I need to rant about is the tickets. my husband always bought the six weekend pass. That way we could at least go three times to the faire. Last year we heard that the passes would no longer be available. When I wrote an email to your boss he responded that if we wanted to come to the faire that much, why didn't we get jobs there. (No need to be snarky sir) My husband and I have no talents to contribute, we just enjoy walking around talking to the cast and if we have any money maybe purchasing an item or two. We come to get away from our bosses and normal boring lives. We come to get away from our jobs,not to find another one. I have so much respect for the cast and vendors, I love you all. I just like to join in when I want too and in my own way. I hope you can understand that, and I didn't just put my foot in my mouth.
Terry I understand what you meant about everyone seeming a little terrified last year. Nobody wanted to say or do anything that might get them in trouble. Everyone was stressed. I noticed it and I'm sure other patrons noticed it too. The cast just wasnt its usual self. I hope everyone isn't as nervous this year, I like to see you all having fun and not acting like you are sittin on pins and needles.
Any way I will shut up now. I usually don't rant that much..I feel a bit better. ;D See you all at Celtic Weekend! Vicky Bershok