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Title: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: groomporter on August 09, 2009, 07:15:21 PM
I just got an Email soliciting advertising for a new publication.
http://www.wenchmagazine.com/

Looks pretty, but seems a little specialized, maybe "Wenches & Roques" would be a better focus? They said they're planning on a 100,000 copy initial run. Renaissance Magazine only claims a 30,000 circulation.

I replied to them saying "it's a little unclear what the target market is with the "wenches" theme. Are you aiming at the male market with (family friendly) pictures of beautiful Renfair participants, or more to women and finding their "inner wench".




PS what happened to the second Faire magazine that was struggling. Did it's third issue actually come out in June 2009? http://www.fairemagazine.com/
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: renfairephotog on August 09, 2009, 10:33:45 PM
the flip book preview is mostly ads for a book. There are some nice photos but no articles to sample the writing.
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: groomporter on August 10, 2009, 07:33:32 AM
Got this reply:

Our target market is the entire RenFaire/Fantasy market. Men find the
pretty ladies appealing, women find the positive portrayal of women
appealing, which leads into the entire scope of the RenFaire environment:
crafts, jewelry, fashion, events, book reviews, et cetera. The title allows us to be instantly identified with the RenFaire world with a single word."
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Lumpy on August 10, 2009, 07:53:28 AM
Quote from: groomporter on August 09, 2009, 07:15:21 PM
PS what happened to the second Faire magazine that was struggling. Did it's third issue actually come out in June 2009? http://www.fairemagazine.com/

According to the website it simply states "NOTE: NOT AVAILABLE UNTIL JULY 2009" so who knows. The companion magazine for Pyrates is still waiting on its Winter 08-09 issue with the comment of "In the mail to you in mid August 09.
Looking at that I'd say don't hold your breath for a third issue any time soon.
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: LadyShadow on August 10, 2009, 08:14:52 AM
It did look a bit interesting.
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: SirBlackFox on August 10, 2009, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: groomporter on August 09, 2009, 07:15:21 PM
I just got an Email soliciting advertising for a new publication.
http://www.wenchmagazine.com/

Looks pretty, but seems a little specialized, maybe "Wenches & Roques" would be a better focus? They said they're planning on a 100,000 copy initial run. Renaissance Magazine only claims a 30,000 circulation.

I replied to them saying "it's a little unclear what the target market is with the "wenches" theme. Are you aiming at the male market with (family friendly) pictures of beautiful Renfair participants, or more to women and finding their "inner wench".




PS what happened to the second Faire magazine that was struggling. Did it's third issue actually come out in June 2009? http://www.fairemagazine.com/

Good response. . . our growing subscribers are in the late 300s (first 500 pins still available). . .  Our third issue (Spring 09) is about to go to press and Pyrates Way #10 is on press.  Distribution (both subscriber and through international booksellers) is 22,000+ . . . down over 4,000 from last year.  Anyone who's gone into a Borders or B&N noticed that their magazine racks have dwindled from about 10 racks to six (if that many).

Both of our mags should be caught up by late November. . .  economy's hit the advertisers pretty hard which reflects on our ability to make publishing dates.  We've also halved the cost of our advertising just to help out the vendor community.  We need to all stick together and help each other out.

I absolutely hate being late but sometimes you just have to wait out the dry spot$.

The new faire magazine website (www.fairemagazine.com) with a more accurate release schedule will be online tomorrow. . .if not tonight (a few more pages to tweek).
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Lady Neysa on August 10, 2009, 09:30:43 AM
Thanks for the update BlackFox, I was wondering about the next issue.  I've also noticed the magazine situation at Borders. Have your magazines ever been sold there?  I've noticed they don't seem to sell "Renaissance Magazine" anymore.
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: SirBlackFox on August 10, 2009, 09:47:37 AM
Quote from: Lady Neysa on August 10, 2009, 09:30:43 AM
Thanks for the update BlackFox, I was wondering about the next issue.  I've also noticed the magazine situation at Borders. Have your magazines ever been sold there?  I've noticed they don't seem to sell "Renaissance Magazine" anymore.

Because both Borders and B&N are franchises, they're independently owned but serviced by the same distributor (ours) which is Ingram Periodicals.  Each owner decides which magazines they want to offer and they've all cut back a lot!
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 10, 2009, 07:58:50 PM
Is there a centerfold???  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: renfairephotog on August 11, 2009, 02:14:04 AM
Thanks for the update sirblackfox.  We're getting a gift subscription  We're justing waiting for the dorm address to be finalized.
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: SirBlackFox on August 11, 2009, 05:53:54 AM
Quote from: renfairephotog on August 11, 2009, 02:14:04 AM
Thanks for the update sirblackfox.  We're getting a gift subscription  We're justing waiting for the dorm address to be finalized.

Excellent well. . . .and the old site is coming down as I type this and the new www.fairemagazine.com is going up. .. 
Title: Wench Magazine???
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on August 20, 2009, 04:03:30 AM
Hello everyone,

  I was searching about the net when I came across a site which says they are putting out a magazine this Fall, called "Wench Magazine" It can be found here at -

http://www.wenchmagazine.com/

  I am looking for anyone with more information then is on their website that can substantuate it being a real magazine and not fraud. In looking at a picture of the mag, it almost looks exactly like a Renaissance Magazine cover with same lettering etc. Their website is also not real professional for a business type. If it is a new publication and company, that's cool. But, I would like to gather more information first.

Sir Blackfox, editor from "Faire Magazine" and "Pirates Way" which has been new for three issues now has done some digging and posted this on his Mag site -


I've been getting notification from several IWG wenches and subscribers about some new outfit called "Wench Magazine." (www.wenchmagazine.com)

I have nothing to do with them but heard about these folks over a week ago and they keep changing their story. First they touted over 100,000 in distribution. . . when the fact brought up that Rennaisance has only 30,000, these new guys deleted that paragraph from their statement. Then when it was brought up that most faires are family-friendly and wouldn't sell such an adult-themed publication, all of a the words "family friendly" appeared on their site. I would be wary of them of them. . . It's in bad form to ask for product to review. . . if the creator wants a review, they'll send a press package. . .not an item. The amateur website is another "red flag."

I just saw something else on their site that makes it suspect. It's part of issuu which is like the CafePress of publishing. . . like "do it yourself" from home (takes no design or reporting talent). http://issuu.com/

Info on the "publisher":
Sam Kerillion
Kerodina Press
15732 Crabbs Branch Way
Rockville, MD 20855

1.888.726.4822
sam@kerillion.com


LOL Googlesearch "Sam Kerillion, Rockville, MD"

He owns a lot of domain names, but not a lot of substance. Most of the websites have the exact same copy (including the "different" novels!).

www.fairemagazine.com is a much better choice.

Just my opinion of course. . . so please do the research and make up your own mind as to the legitimacy of the publication.


I did have to clear the air early. . . me, like my hero Barney Fife, is all about the bud-nippin'. . . "you have to nip it . . . . nip it in the bud"

So, if anyone has any more information about this, please send it to me. I would like to get the right info out to everyone.

Sir Clisto
Title: Re: Wench Magazine???
Post by: groomporter on August 20, 2009, 07:22:02 AM
I had posted about them here
http://www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/index.php?topic=8449.0
after getting an Email soliciting advertising.

One of the things that also raised an eye brow was this:
Fashion Designers/Jewelry Designers & General Merchants:  Send us a few pieces from your Collection!  We will feature your pieces in an upcoming issue of the magazine. We DO NOT return submitted pieces.
Title: Re: Wench Magazine???
Post by: Dinobabe on August 20, 2009, 09:56:33 AM
Quote from: groomporter on August 20, 2009, 07:22:02 AM
One of the things that also raised an eye brow was this:
Fashion Designers/Jewelry Designers & General Merchants:  Send us a few pieces from your Collection!  We will feature your pieces in an upcoming issue of the magazine. We DO NOT return submitted pieces.

That's like saying "If you're dumb enough to send it to us then you don't deserve to get it back"! ::)

Sounds like a scam through and through.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Wench Magazine???
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on August 20, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: groomporter on August 20, 2009, 07:22:02 AM
I had posted about them here
http://www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/index.php?topic=8449.0
after getting an Email soliciting advertising.

One of the things that also raised an eye brow was this:
Fashion Designers/Jewelry Designers & General Merchants:  Send us a few pieces from your Collection!  We will feature your pieces in an upcoming issue of the magazine. We DO NOT return submitted pieces.

Thanks Groomporter. I didnt see a topic was started on this thing so I did. Thanks for moving it here. It sounds very ify. Just looks exactly like a ren mag cover. Sounds like "Cash 4 Gold" all over again.. LOL!!

Lord Sir Clisto
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: groomporter on August 20, 2009, 09:22:14 PM
No problem Sir "C" it's a busy place around here.
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Sam on August 21, 2009, 02:22:52 AM
Hi folks,

Sam here - with Wench Magazine.

Seems our arrival on the scene has ruffled a few feathers - sorry about that.  

Sir Clisto: I say this with a grin, but that rarely conveys online:  A few facts are incorrect, and a few conclusions obviously formed without facts.  But we shant try to respond to each...though I will address a few... (All the contentions in your post may not be your own - they may be from the website you quoted?  Not sure exactly where Sir Blackfox comments end, so please don't take this as an attack on you, just the facts/conclusions in the post.)

Wench Magazine is to be an annual publication, a hybrid magazine/directory.  It is full-color and full-size.  To try and compare Wench to Renaissance/RenReporter/Faire is apples and oranges.  They are each fine pubs, but they do not do what we do, and we are not trying to do what they do.

We have always stated that we are family friendly - though we do not blush easily.  Despite the contention that we will have a hard time moving units at Faires - we already have more than 100,000 units designated for delivery, and we do not go to press until early October. (BTW - our statement about number of units is still posted where it has always been, on our Ad Rates page)

Bad form for product submissions?  As a professional Publishing House with more than 6 vehicles in print, ranging from political magazines to fashion & lifestyle magazines to regional newspapers, to (our first) Fantasy Novel in September 2009, sorry to disagree.  Submissions are a great way for cash-strapped vendors and merchants to get exposure for their items that they can not otherwise afford through conventional ad buys.  It is usually cheaper for a vendor to ship a piece of existing inventory rather than reach into the checkbook and diminish cash flow.  We shoot the items that come in with our models in features/showcases and spreads.  We also own a Model Management company - so we do not need to hire talent for the shoots.

Lot of domain names - yes, we own more than 500.  When we put our marketing energy into a product, it gets noticed.  Quality of website? Tomato/Tomahto.  It is not designed for consumers, and it gets the job done.

I hope this clears up any misconceptions out there about Wench Magazine...though of course it won't stop the Haters.  As to quality and legitimacy, pick up a copy when you go to Faire.  See for yourself.  ;)

Sam

Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on August 22, 2009, 03:15:07 AM
Thanks Sam,

 No ill will taken. I was only trying to get more info. The entire quote after my initial statenment until I signed my name on the bottom was Sir Blackwolfs. I should have highlighted all of his. I had been asked some questions by others via e-mail on it and I said i would ask about. And, in saying so, a few things in looking as i had mentioned seemed somewhat odd. That and the fact some people said they had tried to get info by e-mailing but didn't hear back. But that is what was told to me. So, I figured I would try and investigate. As I did state if it was legit that it is cool and I hoped it would work. So, I wanted to be sure and you helped with the post here. Thanks again for getting back on this. I think keeping everyone abreast from this point on would help a lot in the rumor control.

Respectfully,
Lord Clisto
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Tiggeress on August 24, 2009, 10:25:13 AM
Hi everyone.

This is a quote from me on another site about this wench magazine.




QuoteAs most people that know me, know about me I do not like rumors, or not knowing the whole story about something. So I called Kerodina Press at 1.888.726.4822. At first Holly Keredin the publisher had no idea what I was talking about. I told her where to find this thread and she read it and called me back.

We talked for about 35 minutes. She does sort of defend NyteOrchid posts as in this is a real magazine, and they are really trying to get input from the IWG, but she does believe both us and her assistant might have handled this differently. Wench magazine does not want to upset the IWG but to get our attention in a positive way towards the magazine.

I understand that she will not publicly take her assistant to task over this, but I do believe she will be talking to her about diplomacy. I explained to her why we were questioning the magazine, and the email Ysobelle received. I did ask her to have NyteOrchid post an apology for her rude remarks, and to just state facts with complete information in the future. Holly did say that if NyteOrchid pitched an idea for an article about IWG, about what happened on here she would not print it.

Please feel free to contact Holly Keredin at publisher@wenchmagazine.com . She is more than happy to answer question.

Before I get hanged for this post no I am not defending NyteOrchids posts nor am I saying buy the magazine. What I am doing is asking you to contact Holly if you have questions, and make your own decisions afterwards. Please keep talking about it on here as this is our forums, and we do have the right to talk about these things here as well in private.

Flo McQuinn
Madame Local # 42
VARF/MDRF
__________________

After haveing a weekend away from this I thought it was contained on wench.org. WOW I do not know if Sam is the assistant that wrote on our board or if this is someone else. As these posters and the person I talked to all claim to be the publisher I have no idea who is who, nor do I think they do either. Some where someone is not telling the truth.

I ask everyone to call them and ask them questions. This is the only way we might find out the truth. As for them coming on to the Renn community boards and stating they have all this stuff and they are real, we have yet to see proof of this. Having 500 web domains does not prove that you are good or real, it just proves that you know how to trick google into puting your on top of a search.

When they anwsered the phone it was with a hello, not what ever publishing house they are, and how may I help you. It was Holly that answered the phone. Maybe they were all told to say they are the publisher.

Tiggeress

Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Tiggeress on August 24, 2009, 12:19:48 PM
I just did some more research into this comapny and did not find them in the yellow page, nor could I get their phone number from 411.
This is what I did find through http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress  (http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress).
Christian Kerodin
15732 Crabbs Branch Way
Derwood, MD 20855-2620

Job:  Kerodina 


Chris Kerodin
15732 Crabbs Branch Way
Rockville, MD 20855-2620

(301) 721-0006

Job:  Capitol Heating & Cooling , Owner

This is the information I found doing a address search, that comes anywhere close to the info we have.
So now we have even more to think about.

these are the other things at this address so no one thinks I am makeing this up:

Microburst
Browne Diane H PSY D LLC
Diane H Browne
P Alter
Christian Kerodin
Joanne Ugolini
Oneal A Walker LLC
Practical Alternative LLC
Capitol Heating & Cooling LLC
Mark Frederiksen
Neal Walker

What it looke like to me is the people at the heating and cooling business are trying to break into the publishing business.

Do your own research and let me know what you come up with.

Flo
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Tiggeress on August 24, 2009, 02:30:23 PM
More information found by one of IWG's wenches (Selena)

QuoteCriminal court:

KERODIN, CHRISTIAN ALLEN, dob 022367, white male. A speeding charge out of Virginia 11/08.

But more importantly, a civil suit which transpired as a judgment against Kerodina, llc. Monetary judgment of $1,646,166 as of 040209. Defendant attorney, Elizabeth E. Weaver for further information
.

QuoteIn the extortion case, Christian Kerodin, 36, of Alexandria pleaded guilty to telling several local companies that he would showcase them in a report criticizing D.C.-area mall security unless they hired him to do security assessments. He faces up to 30 years in prison and a $500,000 fine.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/jan/07/20040107-094235-2178r/print/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/jan/07/20040107-094235-2178r/print/)
I do not think I will be having anything to do with these people.

Tiggeress
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: SirBlackFox on August 24, 2009, 02:51:44 PM
(sniff) I smell smoke.
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: lady serena on August 24, 2009, 04:04:17 PM
Read on in this thread, as more comes to light.

http://www.wench.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89162&page=6
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on August 25, 2009, 12:37:36 AM
Well, this is what i was looking for was a lot of digging to see what is going on with all this. Because I have had several people mail me asking. Thanks for all your work Tiggeress. Seems more and more is coming out one way or another. I wish this Sam would have straightened this all out when they posted before. Now that there are more questions here thanks to you, they should see them and answer them. We hope...

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 23, 2009, 10:16:42 PM
I did receive a reply some time back from someone else in charge of the magazine, but didn't post it since I was waiting to see if one of them would post more info here or answer other questions. I will post contact info tomorrow after I get off work. I do believe now at this point it is legit and something that is going to happen. But, all of you can judge for yourselves. Keep an eye out here for info.

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 24, 2009, 12:11:30 PM
Ok, here is what I got some time ago from a Holly. The base reply was personal to me so I did not post it, but I have posted contact info. So, if anyone wants to try and contact her and get more info, feel free.

Holly Kerodin, Publisher
Wench Magazine
WenchMagazine.com
Kerodina Press, LLC
15732 Crabbs Branch Way * Rockville, MD 20855
Tel: 888-966-7273    *    Fax: 240-683-4554"
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on December 29, 2011, 10:55:23 PM
I know these posts have been from the end of 2009, but since then I have been following up as best I could with Holly on this and it has now been a long while in hearing anything from what I was last told back in May of this year, 2011. But, so far it has constantly been postponed.
Title: Re: New Wench Magazine?
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on March 01, 2013, 02:11:28 AM
Well, this issue is now dead and there is no magazine I guess. I still have not heard anything since my last post of may 2011 so i am closing this chapter. I do not know why they have no longer contacted me after numerous other e-mails back and forth. Anyway, you can put this one in the bag. There is no excuse for lack of communication, which is totally unprofessional on their part.

Lord Clisto