Starting our Bird Watching thread again.
The baby cardinals are now adolescents, still trying to get Mom & Dad to feed them but with less and less success. I thought for a while they would all be females but that was proven otherwise today. I'm sure he'll be as beautiful as his father when he finishes molting but, for now at least, he is the motliest cardinal I've ever seen. No pictures as no one would sit still. Everyone is a little nervous with the storm that's brewing.
Yeah....I'm a closet birder. We usually have cardinals around this time of year, but I've been surprised with the amount of bluejays in the area. Have been seeing a lot of baby canadian geese, which means baby mallards can't be too far behind. Haven't been out to the bird sanctuaries lately, and I'm really itching to try my newish telephoto lens out for some good spotting and shooting.
We had a nest of robins at my front porch holly bush successfully reared this spring and a pair of cardinals are making a nest outside of Aeron's window (not sure if these are returning to the same spot or not from last year). The wrens (my favorites) are starting to build their nests in the crooks of my drainpipes. Love all of the beautiful birds here.
We have a screech owl in our wood duck house again. YAY! They are interesting birds.
Put up an oriole feeder and have seen the male oriole at it. He also was trying the hummingbird feeder and not having much luck with it. We have seen hummingbirds, but I think it might be a little too cool for them yet. Goldfinches, house finches, chickadees, wrens, cardinals, nuthatches, a pair of mallard ducks, heard a catbird, saw vultures circling in the area, ruby crowned kinglets by the pond, white throated sparrows, chipping sparrows, morning doves, crows were all spotted in our yard. :)
We've got a new hawk in the area, but I've not been able to get a good enough view of him to get an identification. His call almost sounds like what I expect to hear from a Coot, kind of strange.
The young cardinals have almost finished molting, the male is going to be beautiful. But none of them are too bright yet, they don't seem to have their spatial sense all worked out as far as how close they can come to things and how small a twig they can settle on. I get to see them misjudge and almost fall pretty much all day. They keep me chuckling but I know they'll be gone soon.
I've had one thrush coming to the feeder for a long time, this morning I noticed a second. I don't know if it was a mating flight or a territorial fight maneuver they were doing, but they're are beautiful to watch.
Anyway, time for me to leave the office window and get ready to go, have quite a few errands to run today and an article to write.
Have noticed the hummingbird feeder is half empty...yet still to see one.
Did get a new pair of Nikon Binoculars...just no time to use them.
I have mainly mockingbirds and robins, though there's a catbird (first I've ever seen) down in the brushy area off the bank and I was happy to see a flicker waft overhead this evening. I had a rare few moments of just being able to sit for a bit on the steps of my back porch and saw some interesting behavior from a mockingbird. It was obviously hunting. It would hop a few hops, stop and open it's wings over the ground in three quick stages. A little bit, a little bit more, and then completely, while watching the ground intently. More the sort of thing you'd see in a mating ritual but it was clearly using this as a technique to either see or rustle up dinner.
We've had a catbird and a cowbird this year at the feeder, plus a good number of house finches. We also get the tufted titmice, black capped chickadees, and bluejays. But our most frequent visitors have always been the cardinals, especially the old male who only has one leg.
The Northern Flicker comes regularly to the suet cage, always taking his bites from the middle of the block and opening a hole that looks like the beginning of an entrance to somewhere.
These days, I'm trying to find a gentle way to dissuade the squirrels from taking over the feeder. I'm not sure that beating the pole with a broom handle qualifies as "gentle" but that seems to be the practice that is working at the moment. Where ever they move to, tree limb, electric pole, fence, etc, gets a whack also. Finally they decide that our yard is not the place to be any longer that day. Sorry, Amras, I don't mind sharing some of the seed with them and will usually let them enjoy a snack. But when they come in pairs and sit on both sides, daring the birds to come in for a meal, I draw the line.
I had a raven fighting a squirrel over a piece of suet block last week...the raven kicked the squirrels furry little backside!
No need to apologise, lass...I'm a birder as well, and have only limited luck with thel baffles below my feeders...of course, I have actual squirrel feeders, as well, away from the bird feeders, stocked with ears of seed corn. The squirrels get round to them...eventually... 8)
Attention Blue Jays and Poppa Cardinal. You guys are in charge for the weekend. If you don't keep the squirrels away from the feeder, you'll go hungry till I get back Sunday evening. There's enough for them to have a little bit but don't let them line their nests for winter. Alright, back to your regularly scheduled mischief.
I'm suffering from a cowbird infestation :(
Yep, we are birders here at the fortress as well. We have had three new visitors this year to our surprise. One being from a rose breasted grosbeak, some yellow warblers and indigo buntings which are still hanging out with us to this day.
Is a cowbird the same as a raven? Just wondering. I know I should look it up.
Thinking of maybe going to Jabs (nature preserve, swamp) this weekend...
And Esc cardinals....do they migrate? Does one leg always come back? And does he scream his song at 4:30 in the morning, right outside the damn window?!!!!
Our baby wrens.
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Quote from: Baron Doune on June 06, 2008, 05:26:13 PM
Is a cowbird the same as a raven? Just wondering. I know I should look it up.
Cowbird/blackbird/starling. They strike me as pest-bird cousins (crop-eaters and not congenial toward other birds). Cowbirds, though, are the biggest of the three. I should look these invaders up myself though. I don't think they have the purplish/brownish heads of cowbirds I've seen before. Maybe it's a case of mistaken identity. Can't at the moment but will soon--bird book is not far--and will report what I find.
Indeed, had it wrong, common grackle.
Lot's of finches here...yellow ones. We feed Niger seed.
300 mph...darting and such.
Ooh yay the birder thread's back!
I saw a bald eagle fly overhead this morning. I just stood there looking up as it glided overhead. I didn't know that they were around the area I live in now (central KY), so that was a great surprise while at work!
I think we must have ended up with two clutches of cardinals this year. All of a sudden I've got another scraggly looking adolescent male out here being sassy. By the way, who knew that a group of cardinals can be called a "college", "conclave", "deck", "radiance", or "Vatican" of cardinals? Not so radiant right now, more like a bunch of teenagers, so I'm going to call mine a college of cardinals.
Baron, I don't know if cardinals migrate or not, but I know One-Leg does not, he's been here a couple of years.
Tremayne, blackbirds and grackles are pretty much called the same thing here in Central Florida, though they are not the same bird. The grackle is usually thinner and has a brownish colored breast. The cowbird we had was black with a brown head. I never did see more than one at a time, but they say that the male and female look just alike so I may have been seeing both and not realized it.
We occasionally get the tiny gnatcatchers and I've even seen a pair of great crested flycatchers once.
Right now I am watching about 20 birds of various breeds through the office window, all playing in my tangerine tree and around the feeder pole. Thanks to the PTB for Leinad who did all the designing and measuring for the pole and to my ex for building it for us.
Ah, one of my favorite pastimes is sitting on my back deck and watching the birds in the morning and evening. We get tons of robins, purple martins,mockingbirds, red wing blackbirds, and probably a bunch of others I can't identify.
We have some mourning doves nesting nearby too, I hear them every morning and evening. Every night right around the same time I see a blue heron fly overhead, I've nicknamed it Orville. We had to cut down this overgrown shrub-trying-to-be-a-tree-like thing because it was overgrown with wild rose thorns. Ever since we cut it down all my cardinals have disappeared. :'(
I love listening to the wide range of calls the mockingbirds can make. I used to wonder where on earth all those birds were I was hearing until I realized it was all coming from one bird! I hate their "cat alarm call" though-drives me nuts!
I recently cleaned and refilled my hummingbird feeder as I hadn't seen one yet this year. It wasn't 2 minutes after hanging it back up that one appeared!
In the evenings this time of year we'll occasionally hear owls hooting off in the distance. Once last summer we heard several of them calling back and forth to each other.
The one bird I desperately miss is the Whip-por-will. They seem to have disappeared from this area of Maryland. We used to hear them all the time when I was a child, but I haven't heard one in many years. I would so love to hear one again. I'd even be willing to drive if anyone knew of a place close by where they could be heard every evening.
One spring a couple of years ago when I was up in TN, a mockingbird let off such a bizarre series of sounds I wondered, "where the heck did you winter over, buddy?!" Truly, I swear it was making monkey calls. :D
Yesterday, at Green Lakes Sate Park (<10 miles E of Syracuse), I had the fortune of spying a Pileated Woodpecker. I'd never seen one in person before and it really made my day.
Most of our finches are the orangy colored house finches, though I have seen one pair of the yellows.
SS, we have at least one pileated around here, I hear his call and the knocking as he searches for bugs. Occasionally I'll catch a glimpse of him though usually just in time for him to take wing and fly away.
Our feeder is a six foot pole with a 2' square platform on top and rods coming out of each corner. We have a hummingbird feeder (bottle with large donut on bottom which has holes for feeding in it) on one rod, a smaller feeder designed for tiny birds (finch, chicadee, titmouse) with no-waste seed on a second, a suet cage almost buried in the tangerine tree on the third, and on the platform is a large cedar feeding station with troughs on either side and a suet cage on the end facing the office window. We sit the large station angled on the platform, leaving a landing pad. That's mainly for One-leg, the old cardinal male, as he's not real steady.
Two things happened at the feeding stations today that amused me. The first was when I looked out to find the adolescent cardinals trying their chances at the hummingbird and finch feeders. A female was sitting on the donut of the hummingbird feeder trying to get her beak in to the nectar openings. One of the scraggly males was holding on to the finch feeder for dear life, almost upside down and trying to get up high enough to get his beak to the food openings.
The second thing happened following an afternoon thunderstorm. The platform was still wet and an adolescent bluejay landed on it to feed. He didn't hook a toenail into the wood of the feeder and as he ate, his feet kept sliding. At one point it looked like he was dancing as he tried to gain a steady footing. He finally took off and came back in. That time he must have gotten one toenail hooked because only one leg was sliding out from under him.
I am eternally thankful for the birds, they amuse me to no end.
My son and I heard a pileated Thurs. evening, as we sat on our patio! Hope to actually see it one of these days.
I haven't seen or heard the baby screech owls yet. They should be flying soon. Mama owl makes puppy whining sounds, as she tries to coax them to fly. I did get a really good look at her, one day, as she was poking her head out of the box. She was looking at me, then to the side, then down, so I could see she is definitely the rust variation, not the gray. :)
I can't believe it!! In my previous post I lamented about not hearing any Whipporwills around here anymore. Well, tonight we were driving my daughter's friend home around 9:30. He lives on a heavily wooded rural road. I offhandedly asked him if they ever hear any whipporwills at their house. He responds with: "what, you like those birds?" "They drive me crazy! I can never get any sleep, they keep me up!" I thought to myself, "Nah, he's gotta be talking about some other bird, all the birders say there are hardly any left around here." We pull into the driveway, turn off the car, and lo and behold, off in the woods- there's that haunting sound I haven't heard in years and years-well I'll be darned...Just 15 minutes from my house. Who knew? I know where I'm gonna be taking a lot of summer evening drives now! That really made my night!
This evening, mama screech owl was trying to coax one of the baby owls out of the box, to fly. She sat on a branch in the birch tree, a few feet away. The baby poked his small, fuzzy head out of the hole, but did not venture any further. Awwww.
A woodpecker came a-knocking at my house yesterday. First time in this house. Nice to know they're around--not so nice to think they hear something edible in my home construction.
When we were on WA state's Olympic Peninsula a few weeks ago, we were thrilled to see lots of Bald Eagles. Even though they aren't endangered anymore, and there are some here in Maryland, this is the the first time I've seen that many at one time. We were at the beach in the LaPush reservation, beautiful sea stacks rising dramatically up out of the Pacific, and there were 4 bald eagles circling overhead. One of them must have been cleaning out a nest, cause it flew towards the sea with what looked like a fish skeleton in it's talons. The scene was simply breathtaking!
At my in law's house we saw a quail on the neighbors roof. It's sort of the neighborhood pet. They tell us that eagles and hawks are so numerous out there that you can't leave small pets outdoors unattended. Yikes!
Question fer you bird feedin' people- Will the big 20 lb sacks of assorted seed grow if cultivated in a field or planter?
The baby Quail are out and about. They look like small grey cotton balls on short legs.
I have tried planting millet, which is what a lot of the bird seed is. Yes, it grew just fine, looked just like weeds though. The sunflower seeds will definitely grow.
We had our first hummingbird here this week. Now I have to go buy more food for the little bugger *frowning* and find a new location for the feeder. I can't see it when I'm at the computer.
Congrats on your new arrivals Escarlata. They are defientely a joy to watch.
Here are a couple of our little visitors. Sorry the photo quality isn't the best. I Had to zoom in through a window.
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The upside down gang
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sir william those are some lovely humming birds. I've had some pretty close encounters with our humming birds they zoom around so fast one brushed my ear the other week with the tip of it's wing and I've looked up to have one inches from my face studing me. I can't begin to tell you how much sugar they have went thru this year.
We occasionally have hummingbirds all over the place here at work. There are a number of crepe myrtal trees on the grounds. The problem is the windows are "mirrored" and they will occasionally slam into the windows going after the trees they see reflected there. Sadly, some of them do not make it, but on one occasion, I was seated in a chair, heard the thump and felt something hit my shoulder. I looked and what do I see? I saw a humming bird that had hit the window and stunned itself laying on my should with his wings spread out. I reached up and picked him up and had him perched on my finger for about 2 minutes while he got his bearings back. I walked him over to the grassy area and let him go, he flew off, then came back and landed on my shoulder for a second and took off again toward the trees. It was almost as if he came back to say "Thank You" for helping him. ;)
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 20, 2008, 03:06:11 PM
The problem is the windows are "mirrored" and they will occasionally slam into the windows going after the trees they see reflected there. Sadly, some of them do not make it
A quick fix to that problem
http://www.absolutebirdcontrol.com/windowalert.htm
My feathered friends are not happy right now. With the *humph* "Hurricane" preparation, we brought in all the feeders. The birds keep landing on the platform looking for food. I saw one of the juvenile male cardinals lean down and taste the aluminum yesterday.
Hopefully the storm will be gone in a couple of days and we can get some feed back out to them. In the meantime, I have a bunch of wet pissed off birds looking at me all day.
lol yeah if you let our humming birds run out of sugar water they will let you know about it. I was bringing one feeder back outside after filling it up and one came zipping up and was inches from me when he realizes that i'm the big human thing that keeps feeding them and he zooms off and sits in the yellow bell bush until i hang up the feeder. and then my wrotten cat decided he wanted to harash them and was on the back stoop just watching
Thought that we might not see any of the little birds for a while after this mornings visitor. Leinad looked out the window to find a Merlin sitting in the tangerine tree. I knew we had several hawks around but had never seen one get this close to the house. It hopped from branch to branch through the tree, then took off. It didn't take the little ones long though, a female cardinal is at the feeder now, though she is looking around more than eating.
We have a Cooper Hawk that visits our feeders
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Surviving Winter, the Bird Way
Just as we rely on coats, hats and mittens to keep us warm in the face of winter's icy grip, birds employ a number of methods to survive the adversity of winter. And you can help!
Food is the most essential element, providing birds with the energy, stamina and nutrition they need. To stay warm, birds will expend energy very quickly, some losing up to 10% of their body weight on extremely cold nights. An ample supply of high-calorie foods such as black oil sunflower, insects and suet is crucial to a bird's survival.
We can play a vital role, as feeding the birds becomes critical when extremely cold conditions occur. At these times, a supply of food can mean the difference between life and death for a bird.
Most birds will adjust their feathers to create air pockets that will help them keep warm. You will often notice the birds look fatter or "puffed up" during cold weather. This is because the birds are fluffing up their feathers; the more air space, the better the insulation.
Staying warm is not all about food and feathers though. Some birds perch on one leg at a time, drawing the free leg to their breast for warmth. Most birds will shiver for short term adjustments to the cold. Shivering converts muscular energy into heat for the short term, but the energy must be replenished shortly thereafter.
While birds are equipped to withstand most winter weather, survival can be made easier by providing food, a heated, open source of water and protection from the elements with natural plant cover or a roosting box.
Remember, high-energy foods will help your birds brave the cold snap!
Sir William, I can't keep the finch feeder full this week, they're going through it so fast. The suet and flax seed lasts a little longer but not much. At least here in Florida, we've not had a freeze yet so water has stayed readily available.
Sounds like your doing a great job Escarlata!
Are your finch feeders being invaded by house finches & sparrows? Because they can empty feeders in no time. I personally like to cater to goldfinches and a good way to do that is with a "upside down feeder" from Perky Pet Products.
http://www.ablackhorse.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=713
Goldfinches can feed upside down where others can't and in turn save you a boatload of seed from invasive visitors like, dirty ole house finches & house sparrows.
Something to think about
Too bad that bats don't count as birds, cause thems, mosquitoes, and giant roaches are the only thing that we have flying around in my neighborhood...
*damn tree roaches, they scare the peewaddlin out of me*
Hey Blue,
A lot of people attract bats to their yards. We have two bat houses ourselves here at the fortress to help control the mosquito population during the summer months. They're really neat.
http://www.batconservation.org/content/Bathouseimportance.html
Aye, the small feeder does get invaded by the sparrows, but usually only if the seed I scatter on the ground for them has been used up. The other thing that plagues our feeders are the doves. Not so bad now that we rearranged things a little, removing places for them to take up roost.
The house finches I don't mind as we only have one pair. The titmice and black-cap chickadees are the most frequent visitors to the small feeder but I've had three new breeds show up this week. First were the Winter Wrens, then a pair of Grey Catbirds, and yesterday a pair of Ruby-Crowned Kinglets (http://identify.whatbird.com/obj/122/_/Ruby-crowned_Kinglet.aspx).
I've tried the upside feeders here and they've set full for weeks on end, no one visiting. I've only seen two gold finches in the 5 years that I've watched the feeders.
By the way, I love the What Bird (http://cli.gs/S72Z3t) search engine for determining who's visiting the feeders. That's how I figured out what the different kinds are. It's so easy to plug in the different things you can see. If you select "Icons" at the bottom of the search results list, it'll show you pictures beside the names. Much easier to figure out who you're seeing.
Oh, and if anyone has trouble with squirrels invading your feeders, try the flax seed. The birds all enjoy it but we've only had one squirrel show up since we started feeding flax and he didn't stay long.
Many years back (over 10) we had a golden-crowned kinglet in Michigan (where I used to live). Sadly one of our cats had caught him. The same cat also caught a very tiny house wren a few days later.
Quote from: Morgan Dreadlocke on July 25, 2008, 07:44:56 PM
Question fer you bird feedin' people- Will the big 20 lb sacks of assorted seed grow if cultivated in a field or planter?
The baby Quail are out and about. They look like small grey cotton balls on short legs.
We sell bird seed at work and we would throw infested or damaged bags out back by the dumpsters. Before we knew it, we would have wicked huge sunflowers growing behind the store.
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Down here in AL we had robins this morning and the doves have returned. A grackle and a few goldfinches were also among the mixed flock driving my cat crazy this morning. Last week I was graced with another mixed flock consisting primarily of cedar waxwings, but also featuring a blue bird and a downy woodpecker. So though it remains cold down here, the birds say it's about to be over. And as I've typed this a swarm of not-so-welcome cowbirds have settled in the trees.
Here just north of Dallas we have
White-winged doves
Collared Doves
Mourning Doves
House Finches
Blue Jays
various species of sparrows
Cardinals
Brown-headed Blackbirds
Starlings
Grackels
Male American kestrel
Pair of Red-tailed Hawks
Prairie Falcon
We put out safflower specifically to attract the cardinals. We have one male we call
Mr. Excitement, because ever since he was a fledgling he peeps non-stop.
We are witnessing the return of the Crows here in the Borderland. West Nile decimated the population a few years back. It is like seeing an old friend. A wonderfully mystical bird they are! It is our hope they will remain by Spring and throughout the coming year.
When I went out to get the mail yesterday, there was a pair of robins in every yard :D I knew a pair had claimed mine and found it amusing that others were staking their claims as well. It's amusing to me that robins recognize our boundaries and adopt them as their own. Or maybe city/suburban life began when someone recognized the territories of robins and began to imitate them. And thus I am living life in a robin mentality without having realized it. :o
As for a first sign of Spring we always look for the first robin of the year. Although, a good number of our robins have never migrated this year and have been hanging around all winter. I can't ever remember them tuffing it out all winter
This wacky phenomenon was even highlighted on one of our local news channels. It appears that there are an abundance of berries and other forage available for them now and they find it not necessary to migrate.
February is National Bird feeding Month
This month you have the opportunity to participate in the Twelfth Annual Great Backyard Bird Count (GBBC) which links citizens with scientist in an effort to collect important data about backyard birds.
The GBBC is a joint project of the Cornell Lab of Ornithology and the National Audubon Society. It takes place February 13-16. Count the birds in your backyard, and simply report the information online at www.birdsource.org/gbbc.
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I wish it was time for us to see robins returning, but it will be March before that happens.
We look forward to the GBBC every year.
I have had a HUGE flock of robins in our holly grove. The trees are dripping with berries and the robins appear to be having a blast! I can't get over how loud it is when we walk through that section of woods. The big consumers in our yard right now besides the Robins are goldfinches (17 count yesterday on 1 feeding station) Red-bellied woodpeckers, Pileated woodpeckers, Juncos, Cardinals, Carolina Wrens, tufted titmouse, nuthatchs and a pair of very visible Barred Owls. We also have a Sharp-Shinned Hawk that comes through that tends to target our goldfinches. :-[
Has anyone found a way to deal with the rising cost of seed? I've been making my own suet but the more I put out, the more my feathered friends demand! :)
Quote from: Femme Falchion on February 09, 2009, 01:21:58 PM
Has anyone found a way to deal with the rising cost of seed?
Interesting, the only increase I have seen here has been in black oil sunflower seed.
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Happened to captured this the other day: Mockingbird vs Bluejay
My feeders hand from giant iron hooks that we got from Scarby. We've taken to coating them with vaseline to keep the squirrels off.
(that is a show in itself)
Another lady i work with does the same thing. Are we the only ones?
We used to do that, but the squirrels always find a way. My garden is filled with native flowers and shrubs and I leave the seed heads stand all Winter for the birds to feed upon. We put out little seed.
Sir William - great picture! Haven't seen a Blue Jay in a while. They went the way of the Crow due to West Nile.
Don't forget to count the birds February 13-16!
Count for FUN! Count for the FUTURE!
It's easy to participate
1. Visit www.birdcount.org for easy-to-follow instructions, including tips for identifying bird species.Download the checklist for your area.
2. Count the birds you see, wherever you choose to count. Write down the highest number of individuals you see at one time-that way you will avoid counting any bird twice.
3. After at least 15 minutes of watching in one place, report your results online at www.birdcount.org. (You can spend more time observing if you prefer).
4. You can repeat your count at the same place on each day of the Great Backyard Bird Count. You can also visit other locations and submit separate tallies for those areas as well.
Now in its 12th year, the Great Backyard Bird Count attempts to obtain a snapshot of bird activity throughout North America. Scientists use the information gathered to study bird population trends and migration patterns. Researchers combine the data collected nationwide and use it to help with bird conservation efforts.
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Thanks, Sir William. I may try participating this year.
And cool picture :)
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I did participate, though minimally, in the Great Backyard Bird Count. I wish one was held every month. It made me realize how rarely I spend 15 minutes solely on bird watching and I was fascinated by what appeared when I did. My total bird count was measly because I don't have feeders. Yet I was the only one in my town (as of today) that reported and I logged 2 of only 8 total reports in the entire county, which is awful considering that we have a state park here and a very large lake/reservoir/waterway that are going undocumented. You'd think the state park would assign an employee to participate. Next year I'd love to take those days off and plan to make viewings in a variety of places in the county.
Well last weeks fatalities were 3 mourning doves and a white wing dove. This make me think that
the red-tails are feeding some fledglings, though it seems awful early.