This thread is for all the people who are just starting to sew. I am new to sewing and proud of my accomplishments but there is no outlet for me to showcase what I have done. My work is no where near the amazing work done by the vets of sewing - so I do not fit in with their threads (i have tried).
So I thought it would be nice to have a thread for those of us who are new but not yet accomplished at sewing. As we develop our talents we can move into the other threads but for now this is where we can show off our latest accomplishments. ;D And share our issues and fixes.
I am excited to see what other newbies are trying!
My latest technique that I have learned is the blind hem. I messed up the first time - but figured out my issue and corrected it for the second and final attempt.
Here's the pic of the completed project:
(http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq213/amygravesma/Sewing%20Accomplishments/1stblindhem.jpg)
you can see a few mistakes with the sewing - but overall it still turned out just fine. :D
Nice job on the hem!! And I love the thread idea! I was certainly scared to post in the main thread, because WOW there is a lot of talent on this board! But everyone here is so nice and supportive, this is such a great community.
While some of the talent here is awesome, newbies are welcome everywhere. Anything you need to ask, do.
That blind hem is a brilliant thing, isn't it! Well done for getting it right and doing it so neatly.
For anyone who hasn't tried it yet, there's a lesson on blind hemming on my web site: http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/KatePages/Learning/Blind_hemming/blind_hemming_explained.htm
If there are any techniques or processes, fabrics or stitches you want to ask about, just do. Someone will pop up with an answer soon. :) Remember, the only silly question is the one you didn't ask! It's a looooong time since I started sewing (nearly 49 years ago now!), but I still don't know everything and love to learn. For some of us, the learning of the basics is too long ago to remember, but for me , teaching them to others is a necessity rather than a trouble.
Thank you both! I have been nervous to post what I feel are my accomplishments - although that hasn't stopped me completely! ;D I just felt when I did post I was getting lost among all the wonderful talent; because, my accomplishments are minor compared to everyone else. I feel its important that newbies to sewing feel as appreciated for their accomplishments as the vets. We may feel success over small things- like basic technique - but they are important in the earlier stages of learning to sew. I don't mean to be rude to anyone - but if I felt that way other people may feel the same too.
auntiegiggles!!!
It's the minor techniques you learn in sewing that makes the major differences in workmanship. All steps are learned over time. Not getting over your head in the beginning is what keeps one focused.
You are on your way to becoming an accomplished seamstress. As are all new to sewing.
Well you KNOW that I think this is a great thread to have! Just look at how excited I was to use my brand new sewing machine for the first time just the other day- and all I have done so far is a straight stitch! =)
A new machine is always exciting. Enjoy! :)
LOL, Thanks Kate! It is my first one ever. The first time I've ever really even USED one! My sister and our mother decided that my hand sewing of garb wasn't going to cut it if I contine to make more (and really, why would I stop now?) so my mother bought me a Brother LX-3125e for my birthday. Nothing fancy but it'll be great for what I'll use it for! =) And we all have to start somewhere, don't we? =)
Hi all!
I'm also a newbie to sewing- this is the thread for me! :)
I don't have a working machine yet. I've been hand sewing for years, but my carpal tunnel is starting to get to me. My mom gave me a Singer Traditional for Christmas one year, but it has NEVER worked. Reading around online has lead me to believe it's not user error, it's bad design.
So, I'll be looking for a machine. :) I grew up using my mom's Kenmore from the 70s, so I'll probably look for something like that on craigslist.
Y'all are such an inspiration for me! I can't wait to get my garb underway! I'm going to TRF for the first time this year, and am so excited about starting my clothes. ;D
I can't find a pattern I like, though. Any suggestions of easy patterns for a plus size girl?
There's nothing to beat starting your garb making career than a simple Wench Kit. Use the pattern on http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/chemise.html (http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/chemise.html) for a simple chemise, and you can cut it as long as you like. Then you can do a simple two widths of fabric and a waistband for a skirt. I stiffen the waistband with a nice interfacing and pleat the fabric onto it for a less bulky effect. For a simple bodice, take a look at this pattern: http://www.gryphonsmoon.com/PAT-002.item (http://www.gryphonsmoon.com/PAT-002.item) It's not historically accurate, but it is a good starting point. Once you have mastered the machine and have some sewing skills to play with, you can start being more historically accurate if you want to go that route.
For ideas on seam types, take a look at my page here: http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/KatePages/Learning/Seams/seam_types.htm (http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/KatePages/Learning/Seams/seam_types.htm). There are also some ideas on seam finishes here: http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/KatePages/Learning/Seams/seam_finishing.htm (http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/KatePages/Learning/Seams/seam_finishing.htm) and some hems here: http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/KatePages/Learning/hemming/hems_at_the_end.htm (http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/KatePages/Learning/hemming/hems_at_the_end.htm). And for hemming up the skirt on the machine, this page: http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/KatePages/Learning/Blind_hemming/blind_hemming_explained.htm (http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/KatePages/Learning/Blind_hemming/blind_hemming_explained.htm)
If there's anything you need more info on, just holler! :D
Wonderful advice Kate! Thank you.
Kindle - good luck with your project and finding a new machine. My mom-in-law bought mine from walmat. Its a basic brother and sells for about $80. It works well for me. Make sure you post pics when you are done and along the way! I am very excited to see how it turns out ;D
And don't forget to check Costco or Sam's Club for good deals on machines. They often have the higher quality ones MUCH cheaper.
hmm...I may need to get a membership to one of them! ;D
Or just know someone with membership. They take cash from guests and I think checks (but check to make sure).
We save SOOOOOO much money just on gas it is worth it!
Quote from: auntiegiggles on July 12, 2010, 07:52:06 AM
Kindle - good luck with your project and finding a new machine. My mom-in-law bought mine from walmat. Its a basic brother and sells for about $80. It works well for me.
My first machine was an $80 Walmart Brother, too! They're great little workhorses that will sew through anything and take a lot of swearing and abuse. ;D
LOL! That's for sure Gem. I've only been sewing on my machine since January and its definitely taking a beating! ;D
One of the things that was invaluable to me about my Brother was that it was kind of persnickety about tension and things, and in the first few years I had it, it would jam up a lot (before I learned to hold the tails of my thread when sewing the first stitches and to change my needle with every new project). So I learned how to take it completely apart, disassemble the bobbin mechanism, clean the whole thing, and put it back together again. It gave me a working understanding of the machine that I might not have had with a higher-end model.
Thanks for the welcome, and the pattern suggestions!! Kate, your links are wonderful!
Still no machine yet. I have a non faire shirt cut and ready to sew, and it's frustrating having to wait! :D I wish my Singer would work! It sits on my sewing table, mocking me. >:(
One of the things I'm wrestling with is the desire to be as H/A as possible. I'm a rather neurotic perfectionist in some ways. :P I keep having to tell myself that no one is going to snark me out of faire if I'm not H/A. :o
Why wait? Sew it by hand. If you're wanting to be more H/A with your garb anyway, hand-sewing should definitely be in your repertoire. You'll need it for things like skirt hems, fine finishing work, and cartridge pleating anyway, so why not practice now with seams, facings, etc on a mundane shirt?
Quote from: Kindle on July 14, 2010, 09:23:35 AM
Thanks for the welcome, and the pattern suggestions!! Kate, your links are wonderful!
Still no machine yet. I have a non faire shirt cut and ready to sew, and it's frustrating having to wait! :D I wish my Singer would work! It sits on my sewing table, mocking me. >:(
One of the things I'm wrestling with is the desire to be as H/A as possible. I'm a rather neurotic perfectionist in some ways. :P I keep having to tell myself that no one is going to snark me out of faire if I'm not H/A. :o
What's wrong with the Singer?
Oh, the Singer. It won't pick up the thread from the bobbin- the upper thread gets caught on two (!) parts of the bobbin mechanism and makes a huge mess in the bobbin area. I've successfully gotten 10 stitches from that machine. Looking around online, it's not just a problem I have.
So, I've been thinking more about what Gem said- about just keep hand sewing things. I didn't want to do that because my carpal tunnel will act up, but I've got awhile until TRF (we're going the last weekend), so I should have time to get some things done by hand.
I'm working on a skirt right now. I just need to sew up the waistband and then it's ready to go. It started life as a valance I found at Goodwill for $2!
QuoteI'm working on a skirt right now. I just need to sew up the waistband and then it's ready to go. It started life as a valance I found at Goodwill for $2!
I love giving new life to old fabrics! Fae (my sis) has a skirt that used to be drapes ;D
And I think that I may use some of the extra for a sling for Babygirl. Though at the rate she is going she will be walking by Fest. (I can only hope!)
Aha! I go out of town for a few days and this great thread emerges! I'm a newbie too; started sewing in May. I just finished a jerkin that's really too simple to brag about in Finished Projects . . .
. . . except that I learned One Big Thing:
You can't turn a bodice inside out after sewing shut the arm, neck, AND shoulder closures. Trust me. I tried. I really really tried.
But eventually I had to face the music, cut away nearly all the seams, and make bound seams all around instead. :-P
QuoteYou can't turn a bodice inside out after sewing shut the arm, neck, AND shoulder closures. Trust me. I tried. I really really tried.
i did something similar to the first chemise i made!
Feel free to post a pic of your jerkin on this thread. i started this thread so we could see the newbies work too! ;D
Yes you sure did Giggles! LOL! Thats ok, I fixed it for you! =) Trust me, Rosamundi, we've ALL been there!
(http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq213/amygravesma/Sewing%20Accomplishments/cartridgepleating.jpg)
This was my first attempt at cartridge pleating. Amanda once again saved my butt. I attached the waistband the wrong way; but she attached the band properly for me ;D Go figure I did ok with with the pleating but something simple as attaching a waistband I screw up! LOL! That's how it goes. :D
Kindle, turn the dial to make your threads farther apart. Maybe also loosen the tension. I have two Singers (and a Singer serger). That usually remedies it for me.
TeeHee! =) We all have our strengths, sis! LOL!!!!
I for one want to learn more, the costumes/cost so much i have to make my own. my first attempt had jacket with detachable sleeves, pants, shirt and hat. about 40 buttons (never did button holes before) when i got through i had to do it all over, my friend wanted one too, Ha Ha we got lots of compliments, not bad for a guy!
Great job! Doesn't it feel awesome to get so many compliments on something you made! If you have any pics go ahead and post them ;D We'd love to see them. There are a lot of people to ask questions of here on the forum - so ask away - we love to help! :D
I think its time to resurrect this thread. Any newbies to sewing out there? Show us your stuff! I can guarantee we won't snub you because of your lack of experience. I only have a 1.5 years of sewing experience under my belt. But I have made 3 noble gowns (complete with boning!) So show us your stuff! ;D :D
Psst! Show us your gowns Giggles!
I like pretty things. I will have to post my new dress when I am done... so far I just have fabric and a pattern for it. but I like pretty dresses... much like LadyFae and auntiegiggles make. They are beautifully done gowns btw you two :)
Saphire you can post the gown in progress as well. You don't have to wait for it to be a finished product. So post away! I would love to see your new gown in progress ;D
Quote from: saphire_glade on September 01, 2011, 10:00:20 PM
I like pretty things. I will have to post my new dress when I am done... so far I just have fabric and a pattern for it. but I like pretty dresses... much like LadyFae and auntiegiggles make. They are beautifully done gowns btw you two :)
Aw, thanks hon! :) There is a strange new realm of possibilities now open to you and your garb choices! This could be quite exciting! Best of luck! Keep us updated (and post lots of pictures! I LOVE pictures!) :D
My first wearable sewing project:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-A4UDAg9g2FQ/TlrJIOCqbaI/AAAAAAAAADc/lXlI4IW3VGE/s576/IMAG0052.jpg)
I only started sewing in October of last year, so I'm a total newbie. Best way to learn is to just dive in and do it though! :)
Well done, Phoenix! :) Looks great! I totally agree that the best way to learn is to just jump on in! :) Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing!!! :D
Great job PhoenixRose! You both look fabulous! ;D
Hurray newbie sewing thread! I rarely post in the finished garb thread because my stuff is NOT historically accurate, uses short cuts, doesn't fit perfectly, and is usually made of wild colors, but it's mine, I made it, and I'm proud of it none the less.
Still, there are some that have forgotten that everyone has to start sewing some time and we all learn at different speeds and have different levels of comfort in perfection.
Bring us your not-quite-straight seems, slightly off pattern matches, creative alterations to exhisting items, and totally LOVE-WHAT-I-MADE!! garb projects!!
I like this thread too. A place for first projects to really shine. :)
MG you always look amazing. I do believe we are always our own worst critics.
This is a great place to post even if it is not your first project. Especially, for those of us who are not professional seamstresses. ;D
Thank you so much for starting this thread. I guess I could say I am a newbie to sewing but, I have a lot of past experience sewing and tailoring that I have lost over the years, from completely stopping sewing.
I just went through a whole sewing machine situation only to find out the machine was defective and it was not me. Not sure if I am ready to buy another machine yet, just due to the stress of dealing with a bad machine.
I hope to start a small project soon when I am ready to buy a new machine and start over again.
Lady De Rue Rue - good luck in finding another machine when you are ready. What kind of machine did you buy before? We had a brief discussion on here a while back on sewing machines. I'm not sure if that will help you at all.
well, nothing beats some thread and needle!
i hand sew all of my garb.....skirts, bodices and chemise. if i want something i know i have no talent for, i will just buy it.
like someone said, it isn't perfectly made, but, I made it!!
:D
Quote from: auntiegiggles on September 07, 2011, 10:33:43 AM
Lady De Rue Rue - good luck in finding another machine when you are ready. What kind of machine did you buy before? We had a brief discussion on here a while back on sewing machines. I'm not sure if that will help you at all.
It was a Singer and the company admitted the machine was defective from the start.
I did read past threads on recommended sewing machines and that was very helpful. But, in terms of time and hassle of driving back and forth getting the machine repaired (I did get a full refund on the machine), it is just time to move on and start over.
But, now I know where I can post newbie sewing projects. Thanks for all the great information.
I'll post this here, not that I'm new to sewing, but I am new to anything pre-20th Century.
This is a long vest that I'm going to wear with my Pirate Garb. I got the idea from the red over dress seen in my photo. But at least this one the waist, (what there is of one) fits in the right place. I bought the fabric for $3.00 a yard at Hancock on sale. (the lining and trim cost more of course). I took a man's pattern ,Butterick B4574, and Lengthened it to 46" from the shoulder seam. I added the patch pockets, because I always need a pocket sometime during the day. I am almost done with the Bodice, just a little more fished work on the ribbon, and I found some real nice red facbric at 54% off today for a skirt. Yeah, you'll see me coming. When it's all done, I'll put it on and let Dragon take a photo. Until then here is the vest hanging in my workroom.
BTW Hancock is having a huge sale on all their decorator & home fabrics for their 54 Anniversary. It's all 54% OFF if any of you were eying a particular piece.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p138/AnnMason9877/Ren%20Garb/Longvest.jpg)
Wonderful work! You will have to post a pic when you have your pirate garb all together ;D
Thanks for the tip about Hancock - I may have to check and see what they have in stock :D
I'm putting together my very first bodice (with a little adult supervision)! This is very exciting for me since less than 6 months ago replacing a button was a major task. I've got the inside pieces stitched together, boning channels made, and tonight I started measuring out the cable ties for the bones. Was hoping to have it done by this weekend, but I don't know how realistic that is considering the rest of my life I'm trying to juggle in there too. I'll post pics later when there's something to see (and they will be from a distance you won't be able to see how very not straight my sewing is!).
Question...Do I need a dress form to make a noble dress? The ones I've seen are are expensive... This will be my first attempt at a full set of noble garb (female) I'll be using the Simplicity 3782 which does not have the separate bodice/skirt. I can't tell if it requires cartridge pleating or not....
Rowen,
I was able to make Simplicities 3782 view A without the use of a dress form. The only problem I had was when it came to hemming. But I have that problem on whatever I'm making. This is the same dress that I am wearing in my profile pic. Though I still need to finish my bum roll, hoop skirt and a corset for this one to be completely complete. But the dress and underskirt are done ;D
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/167076_499616122047_508857047_6071034_5589835_n.jpg)
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/181026_10150095816207048_508857047_6195894_1473040_n.jpg)
Quote from: LadyShadow on September 15, 2011, 08:39:02 AM
Rowen,
I was able to make Simplicities 3782 view A without the use of a dress form. The only problem I had was when it came to hemming. But I have that problem on whatever I'm making. This is the same dress that I am wearing in my profile pic. Though I still need to finish my bum roll, hoop skirt and a corset for this one to be completely complete. But the dress and underskirt are done ;D
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/167076_499616122047_508857047_6071034_5589835_n.jpg)
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/181026_10150095816207048_508857047_6195894_1473040_n.jpg)
How hard was this, and about how long did it take? I have done an outfit for my hubby, but never tried a dress...I want to make this to match his doublet. I have a farthingale, corset and bumroll from one of my other outfits that will work for this.
Good luck Ms Trish! Can't wait to see pics ;D
Rowan - I've never used a dress form for any of my noble garb (even though I would love to have one). And it doesn't look like you need to cartridge pleat the skirt. Good luck and I am excited to see your pics when it's done :D
Quote from: Lady De Rue Rue on September 07, 2011, 07:33:52 AM
Thank you so much for starting this thread. I guess I could say I am a newbie to sewing but, I have a lot of past experience sewing and tailoring that I have lost over the years, from completely stopping sewing.
I just went through a whole sewing machine situation only to find out the machine was defective and it was not me. Not sure if I am ready to buy another machine yet, just due to the stress of dealing with a bad machine.
I hope to start a small project soon when I am ready to buy a new machine and start over again.
My hubby bought me a new machine and it has a needle threader.
The old Dorina I had was a money pit, I put it on free cycle and now it's someone else's problem.
Something was bent, and would cost more to replace than a new machine.
Lady shadow, that is great! I can't find the trim I want so now it looks like I may just manufacture my own. Layering sections of ribbon and lace side by side should do it.
Quote from: Rowen MacD on September 15, 2011, 09:40:19 AM
How hard was this, and about how long did it take? I have done an outfit for my hubby, but never tried a dress...I want to make this to match his doublet. I have a farthingale, corset and bumroll from one of my other outfits that will work for this.
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The only hard part I came to was the tabs and attaching the skirt. But I had sewn the few spots of boning a lil long so it was fun trying to get the sewing machine to go through all the layers (boning and all) and not break a needle. It did take me a few tries at getting the tabs to line up like I wanted and lay right. But once the skirt was attached they laid down a lot better. And attaching the skirt... I had to rework the front a few times so that the skirt would just right and repleat the front so that it was right. But the back half I want to say was gathered. But it has been a few years and I'm to lazy to go pull the dress out right now. :D
It took me awhile to make the dress, but that is with constant long breaks (kids and hubby). But really from start to finish I think I spent more time cutting than sewing.
Quote from: Rowen MacD on September 15, 2011, 06:53:58 PM
Lady shadow, that is great! I can't find the trim I want so now it looks like I may just manufacture my own. Layering sections of ribbon and lace side by side should do it.
I know how that goes. It took a while for me to find what I wanted and several stores later. Though I am thinking about undoing mine and redoing the trim. Thankfully mine is hand stitched on so I wont have to take the whole thing apart.
My hubby has decided he wants paned slops with his proposed new doublet.
I am once again using the simplicity pattern that I used for the red and gold doublet and pants.
http://www.simplicity.com/p-2089-men-costumes.aspx
The new project (only my second attempt at this style) will be in a black and gold Jacquard.
http://www.hancockfabrics.com/Fleur-de-Lis-Upholstery-Fabric-Chair-Pattern_stcVVproductId138362630VVcatId539385VVviewprod.htm
We have decided the basic slops will be black velveteen. I have plenty on hand.
I find I am a bit paranoid about making changes to the pants pattern:
1) the pants pattern has the legs gathered into a yoke at the waist. Will this be a problem?
2)The pants have pretty full legs, but hubby wants them fuller (so that he can stuff them) this will require a lining of some sort to accommodate the stuffing. Can I get away with just lining the legs with satin, leaving an opening somewhere to insert stuffing? Will I need to cut the legs longer?
3) Paning is not included with the pattern. How hard is it to add? How should I space them, and where should I attach them? I want to make the 'ribbons' from the doublet fabric.
I make leg cuffs.
Then I make enough panes to go all the way around and the fitted pieces for the center back and crotch and sew these to the leg cuffs.
Next I make the big lining pieces double wide and sew them to the leg cuffs.
Then the inner lining is fairly fitted with shorter leg pieces so that the panes and linging can poof outwards; and these are sewn to the leg cuffs.
Now I fill the pants with tulle netting between the inner lining and the center layer of fabric.
The upper edges of all of these are sewn down to hold in lining.
Last of all I sew on the waist band or yoke depending on the exact style.
So make the poufy leg part of the pattern double wide and possibly 'rounder' ;like a pumpkin in stead of a sausage? How much shorter should the lining be?
I like the tulle stuffing idea, I was worried he would be uncomfortable using batting.
By fitted pieces, what do you mean? Some of the slops I have seen have a sort of g-string fitted part in back bisecting the poufs of the legs, sort of looks like a 'whale tail'. should I look to make a codpiece for the front?
Edit: I was snooping around for more information on this style. Apparently the style my hubby wants were more like 'round hose' -(Definition snagged from the Tudor Shoppe site)
~"Round Hose : Very full short breeches which varied in length from the upper thigh to just above the knee, giving a rounded look to the hips and showing off the leg.
~Slops: Wide, loose fitting breeches, similar to round hose.
Looks like both styles were paned.
Rowan it sounds like he is wanting something more like this http://www.festiveattyre.com/feature/yr3/week118.html (http://www.festiveattyre.com/feature/yr3/week118.html) then what the pattern shows?
http://www.mooharpist.net/trunkhosen1.html (http://www.mooharpist.net/trunkhosen1.html)
Walks you through how to draft your own, and construction, they are not very poofy however
http://www.songsmyth.com/1555trunkhose.html (http://www.songsmyth.com/1555trunkhose.html)
Unfinished dress diary but shows some 16th century pattern shapes.
Quote from: auntiegiggles on July 09, 2010, 06:06:08 PM
My latest technique that I have learned is the blind hem. I messed up the first time - but figured out my issue and corrected it for the second and final attempt.
Here's the pic of the completed project:
(http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq213/amygravesma/Sewing%20Accomplishments/1stblindhem.jpg)
you can see a few mistakes with the sewing - but overall it still turned out just fine. :D
I am a mid Level sewer...still havent figured out the blind hem attachment for my machines LOL, So You are definetly accomplished to Me!
QuoteI am a mid Level sewer...still havent figured out the blind hem attachment for my machines LOL, So You are definetly accomplished to Me!
No attachment needed....it's all about folding the fabric a certain way when feeding it into the machine :D
My blind hemming tutorial: http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/KatePages/Learning/Blind_hemming/blind_hemming_explained.htm
As promised...my first attempt at a bodice! (And other than a pouch or a hat band, my first "real" project!)
(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l615/mstrish72/Ren%20Garb%20Photos/Trishsfirstbodice.jpg)
Quote from: Ms Trish on October 25, 2011, 12:51:43 PM
As promised...my first attempt at a bodice! (And other than a pouch or a hat band, my first "real" project!)
(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l615/mstrish72/Ren%20Garb%20Photos/Trishsfirstbodice.jpg)
And you look dang fine in it, as well! =D Great job Trish!
Quote from: Ms Trish on October 25, 2011, 12:51:43 PM
As promised...my first attempt at a bodice! (And other than a pouch or a hat band, my first "real" project!)
(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l615/mstrish72/Ren%20Garb%20Photos/Trishsfirstbodice.jpg)
Amazing job Ms Trish ;D
Quote from: Ms Trish on October 25, 2011, 12:51:43 PM
As promised...my first attempt at a bodice! (And other than a pouch or a hat band, my first "real" project!)
(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l615/mstrish72/Ren%20Garb%20Photos/Trishsfirstbodice.jpg)
You did good and it looks great on you.
What pattern did you use?
Quote from: Adriana Rose on October 26, 2011, 10:59:04 AM
What pattern did you use?
MG helped me with that. We started with a corset pattern generator and did a mock up or three first. Then I took that pattern and flew solo (with supervision so I didn't muck it up too much) with the above piece.
And thank you for the compliments! There's a few more things I want to do to it but it's functional now!
Oh! And it does have three sets of laces - front and both sides.
Trish, that's GREAT! You almost make me want to pull out that shirt for Sidekick that kicked me in the tushie earlier this year, LOL. (Almost!)
I finally got a photo of me in my bodice that I made form the generator. I hope to get some better ones, and the one with the Coat/long vest, Didn't come out for some reason. I made my red skirt way too big in the waist, so now It's on the table for a redo. I hope to have all of this done by TRF's Celtic Christmas, but we'll see.
I now realize I made the point way too long, and will shorten in about 2-3 inches. when it pulls me in, it's just longer than I thought. Otherwise it's very comfortable and it hits my waist at the correct place. Next one will be better.
Thank you everyone for all the help.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p138/AnnMason9877/Ren%20Garb/me.jpg)
That is scrumptious! I am so going to make one of these. Great job, it looks very comfortable over the hips (a big issue for me since most ready made bodices/corsets dig into my hip bones). How difficult will shortening the point be?
Be careful shortening the point if you have any lower abdomen fluff *at all.* I did that when I turned my Simplicity corset (http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL417/1033223/23241773/387656749.jpg) into a kirtle (http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL417/1033223/23882966/398340158.jpg), and ended up with a very unflattering bulge underneath (and no, you can't see it in the pictures, b/c I was very picky about the ones I posted! LOL).
Quote from: gem on October 31, 2011, 03:24:07 PM
Be careful shortening the point if you have any lower abdomen fluff *at all.* I did that when I turned my Simplicity corset (http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL417/1033223/23241773/387656749.jpg) into a kirtle (http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL417/1033223/23882966/398340158.jpg), and ended up with a very unflattering bulge underneath (and no, you can't really see it in the pictures, b/c I was very picky about the ones I posted! LOL).
I just thought it looked disproportional. Is all. I'm not going to shorten this one. It was a test run, just make a new pattern about 2 inches shorter in the front it all. Yes, I have that fluff you are taking about. But the point hand too low for my tastes. I'm use to being fluffy.
Thank you for the wonderful comments.
OK. I finally broke out the Marga Anderson patterns, read through the directions for the menswear pieces I am doing (View B doublet due to the bay window on hubby) and the long paned slops. The directions require that the mockup for the doublet be fitted over the finished slops so I started with them. I have gotten as far as a mock up for the slops.
My question(the first of many): How close do the base pieces of the slops need to be fitted to hubby, and how should they lie? Apparently neither of us paid much attention to the Slops worn at faire, and they seemed to be rather loosely fitted. The base is never seen, only the underlayment and panes, and the MA instructions don't cover fitting issues other than the doublet.
Should the base be close to the body, or a loose fit? How much is too loose? The mock up is very loose.
Thanks in advance!
Have him try and the mock up and do squats. That will tell you what needs to be adjusted. Some things that really seem loose for pants shoten up quite a bit when sitting down on a low seat.
That's a good idea, but now he's waffling about whether he wants Venetian breeches or slops. ::). Breeches would be easier to make and a lot cooler to wear, even if I use cotton velveteen. The 7 layers for the slops are pretty bulky, and faire season is always hot.
I found a light black cotton for 2.99 at Hancock's to line the doublet and breeches with.
It's going to be a challenge to tailor around his bay window, but MA provides instructions for that. My issues are going to be the 4 size range that his measurements fall into. For the breeches I'm guessing the waist is the most important. For the doublet, I am becoming stumped. His tummy is larger than hips and chest. A most definite 'apple' shape. Any suggestions for working around that?
edit: Right now I'm thinking of going with the largest size and 'taking in' the mock up here and there on the chest area. I don't think he will like having the doublet contoured to his middle...
Just like with women's clothing, it's pretty hard to "take in" at the neck/shoulders. Much easier to let out to accommodate the belly. Here's a link to the standard "full abdomen adjustment" for mundane clothing. You'd need to tweak it for period pattern shapes, of course.
This might also help--it's a tutorial on draping a doublet pattern on a man, using an Oxford shirt that fits well:
http://freespace.virgin.net/f.lea/doublet1.html
If you did this, and then transferred the markings to paper, you'd have a basic block to compare the MA patterns to.
Quote from: gem on November 28, 2011, 01:41:08 PM
Just like with women's clothing, it's pretty hard to "take in" at the neck/shoulders. Much easier to let out to accommodate the belly. Here's a link to the standard "full abdomen adjustment" for mundane clothing. You'd need to tweak it for period pattern shapes, of course.
This might also help--it's a tutorial on draping a doublet pattern on a man, using an Oxford shirt that fits well:
http://freespace.virgin.net/f.lea/doublet1.html
If you did this, and then transferred the markings to paper, you'd have a basic block to compare the MA patterns to.
I like the link using a shirt as a pattern. ;D.
From the look of it, I should aim for the low end on the MA size (which would be the chest) and 'let out' whichever seams I need to, to accommodate the Bay Window. MA instructions recommend adding fabric at the side seams, to the front pieces of the doublet which does not sound too hard.
Was there supposed to be another link for the "full abdomen adjustment" ?
Yes! Weird. Here it is:
http://www.rostitchery.com/2006/04/full_tummy_adju.html
Quote from: gem on November 28, 2011, 06:51:01 PM
Yes! Weird. Here it is:
http://www.rostitchery.com/2006/04/full_tummy_adju.html
Thanks! Sweet!
What length, weight and type of boning is best for a short waisted Elizabethan dress bodice? I'm getting ready to order some online. It will be for the Margo Anderson patterns.
Thanks
Do you mean that *you're* short-waisted (or whoever the dress is for)? If you're planning to use boning that you can't cut yourself (steel), then you'll need to have the piece really well fitted BEFORE you order your boning. Normally, you'd wear an Elizabethan gown over a supportive undergarment (corset or kirtle), so most of the heavy-duty boning goes in that. The boning in the gown is just to maintain shape/keep pieces from wrinkling, etc.
All of that said, I'm still a fan of heavy-duty cable ties. I buy the Malco brand from Home Depot, but they can be tricky to find [and I don't care for the other brands they carry; not rigid enough for corsets], and I always need to look up the specs in this thread from last summer: http://www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/index.php?topic=15848.0.
I'm making this for myself, and I am a borderline short waisted person, though not extremely shortwaisted. I say this because just about all ready made corsets dig into my hips or jab my armpits, though there are a couple of garb makers that I can wear off the rack. This is the first upper class gown that I have tried.
I have seen those wide cable ties over at home depot, I will probably just get those since I will be wearing all the required undergarments to achieve the period shape. I only need the dress to lie correctly.
For all you folks with experience with Margo Anderson Patterns:
I am attempting to make the the mock up for hubby's Elizabethan doublet from the Elizabethan Gentlemans' Wardrobe Pattern (second addition)- size 40-44. view B.
According to the cutting layout on page 55 of the instruction manual-I need pieces 6A,6B,6C,6E and 6F. (front, sides, back and collar) for the mock up size 40-44.
The problem is I have been through ALL the sheets of patterns pieces 3 times and cannot find a piece marked 6A (doublet back) anywhere, the only back piece I have found is marked 6D 'View A'. So I have 6B,6C,6D,6E and 6F. That's OK, they fit together.
My dilemma is this: The pattern piece 6D is clearly marked 'View A' with no mention of 'View B'. I can use the 6D piece, but I want to be clear on this before I bother with cutting out the mockup: Can we use 6D instead? Does 6A exist? Could this be a typo on the Layout page?
Note: The rest of the illustrations seem to show the narrower back (6D) for all views. Perhaps she has discontinued the wider (6A) piece, intending for the 6D piece to be used for both, and did not update her cutting layout guides?
Normally I would wing it, but since this is the first time using this (expensive) pattern, I want to follow her directions to the tee.
If you ladies could please break out your instruction manuals and give your opinions? I will start the mock up when I'm sure I can use the 6D doublet back. If not, I'm screwed since there is NO 6A in the patterns.
Didn't you sign up for her Yahoo group? I would ask there (she's a member and responds directly to questions like this). Alternately, you might just email her!
I posted the above on the Yahoo groups too. No answer yet.
I was hoping someone here would know the answer off the top of their head.
I'm just about sure it's a typo on the Cutting layout page, in which case MA might like to know that.
Probably the only thing that would help in this case is to list the pattern pieces needed at the beginning of each set of instructions for each garb item (I love how detailed the book is!)...It may just seem redundant for her to do so, since she already includes the name of the piece on each pattern bit, groups them by number (very helpful to know all the pieces in group 6, for example, are for doublets) and then she sets them out again in the cutting layout page using just the numbers (which in this case do not exactly match).
I did get an answer from Margo-It was a Typo-Use Piece 6D for the doublet back.
Now some suggestions please. This is the first doublet I've made that I wanted to try to cut to fit hubby, and hubby is going to be a challenge to fit. :'(. So far, I got the mock up cut out and basted together. He has narrow shoulders, bay window and a 17-18" neck, and he complained that the armholes are too small. His measurements run the gamut from sizes 42 through size 50, per MA's chart.
Neck-size 48
waist-46
shoulders-42.
What I've done thus far:
~ I used size 44 pattern and added inches to side seams where Margo says to do it. The front will close over the stomach with an approximate 1" overlap. The waist falls where it should so no need to make is longer or shorter. Thank god for small favors.
The shoulders are going to be the hardest part. It looks like I may need to shorten the shoulder seams and make the collar bigger.
I've removed about 1.5" from the top of the front seams, tapering to the bottom, but I can't figure out how to make the front of the doublet larger to accept the larger collar at the same time.
Should I start over with a larger size? I'm not even sure what size I should start with here.
I've had to make sooo many adjustments, now I'm worried the darn thing won't look right. It's supposed to be snugly fitted, and I assume it's not supposed to be tight.
Are you using a pattern that has different sizes??
If so, I would take the front pieces of the doublet front, in the next size up from what you are using, and try those.
Very often I have to mix and match sizes to make it fit properly.
The pattern does have different sized 'sets' of patterns in 4 size increments from 34-56.
You did make me think that I might be better off using a larger sized back for the doublet to give me the bigger neck, since that is the part that is giving me fits. I will have to see if the rest of the pieces match up...If they don't, then I will just use the bigger size and say screw trying to fit it very close. Good thing I bought a tone of muslin. I have yards of the stuff left.
Well, I redid the mockup in a larger size and it fits pretty good, though the neck is still too small. I'm going to cut out the lining and interfacing today. Hopefully this will move on to the 'in progress' thread. ;D
Rowan, reading about your issues, I seem to recall Lady Rosalind saying that she's made the MA men's doublet multiple times, and always has to fudge the collar, because there's something strange about the fit/draft. That probably doesn't help much, but at least you know it's not you/your DH!
I have put up pictures in the In Progress thread.
Yeah that collar is totally out there; never seen anything like it. It sits way forward on the doublet, which is aggravating the neck issue. I will have to fake something.
So far there are a few typos in the pattern that I have had to work around with advice from Margo on the Yahoo group. I'm still getting used to jumping around in the manual looking for specific instructions.
I started learning how to use a manufactured pattern tonight! This is exciting stuff! :)
Quote from: Ms Trish on January 08, 2012, 08:46:01 PM
I started learning how to use a manufactured pattern tonight! This is exciting stuff! :)
That
does sound exciting! I gotta try to at least make a corset from scratch...
Quote from: Ms Trish on January 08, 2012, 08:46:01 PM
I started learning how to use a manufactured pattern tonight! This is exciting stuff! :)
Once you figure it out would you want to show me how to? =)
Quote from: Rowen MacD on January 09, 2012, 08:53:15 AM
Quote from: Ms Trish on January 08, 2012, 08:46:01 PM
I started learning how to use a manufactured pattern tonight! This is exciting stuff! :)
That does sound exciting! I gotta try to at least make a corset from scratch...
I did that (with a little guidance from MG)! Okay, it was a bodice but close, right? It's more involved than it looked! LOL
Quote from: LadyFae on January 09, 2012, 09:06:14 AM
Quote from: Ms Trish on January 08, 2012, 08:46:01 PM
I started learning how to use a manufactured pattern tonight! This is exciting stuff! :)
Once you figure it out would you want to show me how to? =)
Sure thing, babe. We need a playdate soon too!
Quote from: Rowen MacD on January 06, 2012, 02:37:38 PM
The pattern does have different sized 'sets' of patterns in 4 size increments from 34-56.
You did make me think that I might be better off using a larger sized back for the doublet to give me the bigger neck, since that is the part that is giving me fits. I will have to see if the rest of the pieces match up...If they don't, then I will just use the bigger size and say screw trying to fit it very close. Good thing I bought a tone of muslin. I have yards of the stuff left.
I thought I might share Margo's answer to my question of the neck sizing...
"If the neck and shoulders are within the same size grouping, i.e. on the same nested pattern piece, simply cut the appropriate size of each. If they span two size groups, you can merge the pieces by tracing the shoulders from one and the neck from the other, lining the two pieces up along the center front and the shoulder line. You will need to make a muslin/mockup, of course, and pay attention to fitting the angle of the shoulder seams before attaching the collar, as they can often be quite different from the pattern when the size difference is a large one."
Margo