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Title: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: TheOnlyAxxe on October 19, 2010, 06:36:25 PM
As most of you are aware. Our beloved camp security director Charlie Thacker is no longer working for TRF as he was fired by King George Friday before opening weekend. Please show your support by sending a letter to TRF staff requesting that Charlie Thacker be reinstated as Chief of campground security and throw in a few kind words as it is not too late to help.....Please take the time out to help our friend and peacekeeper.....

Send emails to: TRFinfo @ texrenfest.com
                     George @ texrenfest.com

P.S. Could you please pass this on to as many camps as you know,

Thank you for your support
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: brier patch charlie on October 19, 2010, 09:20:30 PM
This is not good news to hear. I for one have sent them an e-mail. I do hope that they will renstate him. Charlie is a great guy, It wouldn't be the same with out him.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Stalkwell on October 20, 2010, 12:08:23 PM
Our letter is already in, with kudos for Charlie (and don't forget Mike).  After purging security on Friday night, someone was kind enough to vandalize our RV for us during the weekend.  We don't know if it happened on Friday night, Saturday, or Sunday during the day.  They trashed our big awning take-up sprag and tore the material.  We didn't spot the damage until we were in the process of breaking camp.  It took 5-10 minutes of pounding with a 3 lb. sledge hammer to get it to the point we could move the RV.

After talking to a random stranger at closing gate Sunday, we found out that their car was broken into in the parking lot on Saturday.  And that was just a RANDOM encounter... I wonder how much happened that weekend with that lovely move on George's part?

My understanding is that Charlie and his friends will not be back.  George was kind enough to inform him of his employment status AFTER he had camp set up at ground zero on Friday.  Being treated like that, I wouldn't blame him in the slightest for not coming back, but frankly that decision is between him and management.  Charlie was respected by every camp out there, and most knew him on a first name basis as well as how to contact him if they needed help.  He was a friend to everyone that wasn't causing trouble, and even with them he was reasonable.  We will miss Charlie.

Oh, by the way... have you noticed the signs with the contact number for security are missing?  I personally think this was an orchestrated move rather than a hissy fit over personnel

Whether or not Charlie's situation is resolved enough for him to consider TRF employment again, at least management should know it was a foolish move to leave thousands of patrons unprotected in the campgrounds for ANY reason.  I have been telling friends to stay away until the security issue is resolved.  I can say this from first hand experience that it has cost me.  Others that I know will NOT camp there this year, and I think this is good... lost revenue makes the point.  Some will not go to TRF without camping, so they are not going this year.  That's sad for them (and me). Lose a few hundred dollars, times a few hundred or thousand occurrences) and that will make the point to George, AS IT SHOULD.

Speaking of which, management keeps spouting that the $20 camping fee per car is for added security... yeah, right!

Tell that to my camper's awning

Stalk well...
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on October 20, 2010, 01:45:45 PM
Time for The Order to walk the rows.  >:(



*It was this that it was created for...*
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Queen Bonnie on October 20, 2010, 02:11:07 PM
 I do not camp- but was talking to a friend Sunday who had his Angel sword stolen Sat PM. from the campground- I wonder how much else is missing?
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: DonaCatalina on October 20, 2010, 02:50:28 PM
This is not good news. I can see this heading back to the bad old days when people had to take turns going into fair to keep their camps from being pillaged.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on October 20, 2010, 03:18:17 PM
This is the exact reason that the Three Lairdes(Lairde Daniel, Lairde MacKee & myself) came together and created The Order... camp security.  Although some see it as more of a social club ( >:(), it's original intent was to walk the rows and help the police keep our fellow rennies safe.


We'll see who gives a damn about their fellow man...
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Lishy on October 20, 2010, 04:23:48 PM
I am very sad to hear Charlie will no longer be there.  He was a very good man, and I know I always felt safer knowing he and his crew had an eye on things.  It seems TRF is doing a fantastic job of running off a lot of really good people.

Im now reconsidering if we want to camp next weekend.  We don't have much, and don't have the funds to replace things that get torn up or stolen.  Maybe it's time to check hotel rates. . .
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Bonny Pearl on October 20, 2010, 05:41:48 PM
It is an absolute shame about what happened to Charlie and I would love to see him back again.  But I would like to point out before anyone gets caught up in a fear and/or vigilante downward spiral that on opening weekend there was a police presence at camp.  We will be out again this weekend and will follow our standard practice of due diligence and lock our valuables up.  Perhaps we can find out more while we are there as well.

I wish things were different and the people who experienced these thefts had not.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: SolRac on October 20, 2010, 07:17:24 PM
On TRF's Facebook page they had a discussion section regarding camp security. Someone from TRF's Staff said they will be adding 2 4wheeler cops to patrol at night as well as the usual 1 patrol car every 2 hours for the rest of the season. Dont bother to look now though as they took the discussion section off the page. We will be coming out halloween weekend however, we will most likely be camping in family camping. For some reason i dont think thats going to make a difference.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Nasty on October 20, 2010, 07:20:35 PM
Quote from: Fraser of Lovatt on October 20, 2010, 03:18:17 PM
This is the exact reason that the Three Lairdes(Lairde Daniel, Lairde MacKee & myself) came together and created The Order... camp security.  Although some see it as more of a social club ( >:(), it's original intent was to walk the rows and help the police keep our fellow rennies safe.


We'll see who gives a damn about their fellow man...
Couldn't of said it any better my self brother.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Molden on October 20, 2010, 07:25:14 PM
How freakin' SAD! I LURVED Charlie BIG TIME! My 1st memories at TRF (where I started) involved Charlie. Good Luck having ANY impact/influence on George. He's a hard-hearted BASTARD who cares not what others think.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: SolRac on October 20, 2010, 07:51:09 PM
I was going to ask but forgot. Who was out last weekend? Did you see an increase in police at camp?
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: brier patch charlie on October 20, 2010, 07:54:34 PM
But was it George who cut Charlie lose, or was it the New head of Security. I was just on the Beefeaters page and it looks like this guy not getting along well with others. This new guy is NO Bill Pendlly. It may be we had a clash here, and George sided with the wrong lot.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: beckgam462 on October 20, 2010, 08:11:04 PM
Quote from: Nasty Mac on October 20, 2010, 07:20:35 PM
Quote from: Fraser of Lovatt on October 20, 2010, 03:18:17 PM
This is the exact reason that the Three Lairdes(Lairde Daniel, Lairde MacKee & myself) came together and created The Order... camp security.  Although some see it as more of a social club ( >:(), it's original intent was to walk the rows and help the police keep our fellow rennies safe.


We'll see who gives a damn about their fellow man...
Couldn't of said it any better my self brother.

I am with Nasty and Frasier on this one
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on October 20, 2010, 08:33:56 PM
Vigilante... Lol, good one. :D >:(

Last time i checked... hold on, let me go back and check what i said...

Oh, yeah!  I talked about helping the police, on site.  I guess in an Obama world, pulling out your cell phone, calling the cops when you see a thief is being a vigilante... by letting the "dark side" know that their are people about, and watching, that won't stand for that kind of BS in our camp.  I never implied anything violent happen.  The Order is about helping the helpless... you know, escorting drunken fools back to their home clans, watching a woman's back while she takes a piss at the Church of the Blue Water, breaking up stupidity before it becomes a drunken brawl... keeping an eye on our fellow Rennie's property. Vigilante... LOL.  :D  I call it C.I.A.... Chivalry In Action.  THAT is what The Order is about.

I thought i defended what The Order stood for, last year, when members of a different Clan attacked us and what we stood for?  >:(   History repeats itself... from my own clan.

The Order doesn't answer to any one Clan... we are Clanless but members of ALL clans.


So saith, Fraser of Lovatt, Holder of Lairde Daniel's Proxy,  Lairde of The Order Of Culloden Moor, Lord of the Rusty Nail, Knight of the Isles.  

   
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: beckgam462 on October 20, 2010, 08:52:17 PM
Amen
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Nasty on October 20, 2010, 08:57:31 PM
Here Here
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Molden on October 20, 2010, 09:00:00 PM
Quote from: brier patch charlie on October 20, 2010, 07:54:34 PM
But was it George who cut Charlie lose, or was it the New head of Security. I was just on the Beefeaters page and it looks like this guy not getting along well with others. This new guy is NO Bill Pendlly. It may be we had a clash here, and George sided with the wrong lot.

Any way y' cut it Mate, George be th' root of ALL EVIL at TRF!  :P
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Bonny Pearl on October 20, 2010, 10:13:23 PM
Quote from: Fraser of Lovatt on October 20, 2010, 08:33:56 PM
Vigilante... Lol, good one. :D >:(

Last time i checked... hold on, let me go back and check what i said...

Oh, yeah!  I talked about helping the police, on site.  I guess in an Obama world, pulling out your cell phone, calling the cops when you see a thief is being a vigilante... by letting the "dark side" know that their are people about, and watching, that won't stand for that kind of BS in our camp.  I never implied anything violent happen.  The Order is about helping the helpless... you know, escorting drunken fools back to their home clans, watching a woman's back while she takes a piss at the Church of the Blue Water, breaking up stupidity before it becomes a drunken brawl... keeping an eye on our fellow Rennie's property. Vigilante... LOL.  :D  I call it C.I.A.... Chivalry In Action.  THAT is what The Order is about.

I thought i defended what The Order stood for, last year, when members of a different Clan attacked us and what we stood for?  >:(   History repeats itself... from my own clan.

The Order doesn't answer to any one Clan... we are Clanless but members of ALL clans.


So saith, Fraser of Lovatt, Holder of Lairde Daniel's Proxy,  Lairde of The Order Of Culloden Moor, Lord of the Rusty Nail, Knight of the Isles.  

   

Let's get a few facts straight out in the open Fraser as it seems that doing this in private in the past hasn't worked.  The Order of Culloden Moor is not and has never been an order to protect, escort or act as a Guardian Angel to anyone.  The Order was MacKee's inception, copywright and cost and you and LD were brought in as members.

The scope of The Order is to give remembrance to those who were lost during The Battle of Culloden.  It is not and never will be a vigilante/guardian group.  Posting on R/F in such a way gives the impression that it is.

By posting such statements on the forum you have given cause to at least three possible scenarios:

1) The message that The Order is some kind of police force and gets the attention of the REAL police and/or faire officials and brings unwanted attention.

2) People buy into it and the next thing we know people are bugging The Order to help them remove drunks or do something about a pissed off boyfriend, etc.

3) The wrong people buy into it, get drunk and then, to prove a point, go out of their way to start sh*t with The Order.   


All bad.

Do not broadcast that The Order is there to protect anyone.  If a lady asks someone for an escort back to a camp; that is fine and is at the discretion of the individual member.  But advertising The Order as anything else is asking for trouble.

Anyone that has a lick of sense and a love for their neighbor will call the police on someones behalf.  Don't try that angle with this.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Nasty on October 20, 2010, 10:23:51 PM
I fully disagree with this statement as I was there when it was brought about and IT WAS NOT MACKEE's IDEA! The Order was started for the safety of all clans and not just one. IT WAS NOT THE IDEA OF ONE PERSON BUT OF 2! >:(
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: brier patch charlie on October 20, 2010, 10:25:27 PM
Just wondering, but does anybody know how old " King George" is? I know he has Alzheimer's and it's stating to get bad, and if so who really is running TRF!
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Bonny Pearl on October 20, 2010, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: Nasty Mac on October 20, 2010, 10:23:51 PM
I fully disagree with this statement as I was there when it was brought about and IT WAS NOT MACKEE's IDEA! The Order was started for the safety of all clans and not just one. IT WAS NOT THE IDEA OF ONE PERSON BUT OF 2! >:(

I will have to argue with you on this as The Order was never brought to anyone's attention until AFTER MacKee and I thoroughly discussed it.  No one was brought in until after that.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Blue66669 on October 20, 2010, 10:31:23 PM
*hears a toilet flushing*

I'm so glad I'm on the other side of the fence now. I see that everything is going to shine.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Nasty on October 20, 2010, 10:34:34 PM
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on October 20, 2010, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: Nasty Mac on October 20, 2010, 10:23:51 PM
I fully disagree with this statement as I was there when it was brought about and IT WAS NOT MACKEE's IDEA! The Order was started for the safety of all clans and not just one. IT WAS NOT THE IDEA OF ONE PERSON BUT OF 2! >:(

I will have to argue with you on this as The Order was never brought to anyone's attention until AFTER MacKee and I thoroughly discussed it.  No one was brought in until after that.
Really? I guess I wasn't there last year when Fraser, LD, and Mac talked about all the order business and how it was discussed that they were the founding members.  I now leave the Order as this is definitly not why it was started.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Bonny Pearl on October 20, 2010, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: brier patch charlie on October 20, 2010, 10:25:27 PM
Just wondering, but does anybody know how old " King George" is? I know he has Alzheimer's and it's stating to get bad, and if so who really is running TRF!

Well from what I understand he has come out of retirement so to speak and so the chaos has begun....
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: ravic on October 20, 2010, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: brier patch charlie on October 20, 2010, 10:25:27 PM
Just wondering, but does anybody know how old " King George" is? I know he has Alzheimer's and it's stating to get bad, and if so who really is running TRF!

Alzheimer's or not, for the moment George is still The Man & it's still his kingdom.

There is a new General Manager. I'm sure it's just a coincidence but there were also office firings on Friday also. As a vendor, that has the potential to affect me way more than camp security.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Bonny Pearl on October 20, 2010, 10:38:19 PM
Quote from: Nasty Mac on October 20, 2010, 10:34:34 PM
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on October 20, 2010, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: Nasty Mac on October 20, 2010, 10:23:51 PM
I fully disagree with this statement as I was there when it was brought about and IT WAS NOT MACKEE's IDEA! The Order was started for the safety of all clans and not just one. IT WAS NOT THE IDEA OF ONE PERSON BUT OF 2! >:(

I will have to argue with you on this as The Order was never brought to anyone's attention until AFTER MacKee and I thoroughly discussed it.  No one was brought in until after that.
Really? I guess I wasn't there last year when Fraser, LD, and Mac talked about all the order business and how it was discussed that they were the founding members.  I now leave the Order as this is definitly not why it was started.

If you would please return your pins, undamaged, MacKee will gladly give you a refund.

And by the way, that conversation was months after the initial conversation MacKee had with LD.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Bonny Pearl on October 20, 2010, 10:40:09 PM
Quote from: ravic on October 20, 2010, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: brier patch charlie on October 20, 2010, 10:25:27 PM
Just wondering, but does anybody know how old " King George" is? I know he has Alzheimer's and it's stating to get bad, and if so who really is running TRF!

Alzheimer's or not, for the moment George is still The Man & it's still his kingdom.

There is a new General Manager. I'm sure it's just a coincidence but there were also office firings on Friday also. As a vendor, that has the potential to affect me way more than camp security.

Yes, Ravic I heard about the people in the office on that day.  I understand what you mean, George runs the show.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Just Randall on October 20, 2010, 10:58:43 PM
Quote from: brier patch charlie on October 20, 2010, 07:54:34 PM
But was it George who cut Charlie lose, or was it the New head of Security. I was just on the Beefeaters page and it looks like this guy not getting along well with others. This new guy is NO Bill Pendlly. It may be we had a clash here, and George sided with the wrong lot.

Umm, the "new" guy isn't new at all. It's Chapman Baber, one of Bill Pendley's oldest and closest friends, who he PERSONALLY recommended for the job after he retired. Chapman has been with festival security and a police officer for Todd Mission for quite some time. And as far as the Beefeaters are concerned, they're just pissy because Chapman won't let them get away with thier juvenile BS anymore.

Oh, and one last thing? George personally fired Charlie and Mike. CHAPMAN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: brier patch charlie on October 20, 2010, 11:31:22 PM
If anyone would know, I new you would CPT. Fletcher, thanks you ansered my question. New one would be WHY?
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Stalkwell on October 21, 2010, 01:30:42 AM
<snipped a lot of perhaps important content from around the following quote that I didn't see as germane to patrolmen being fired>
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on October 20, 2010, 10:13:23 PM

Anyone that has a lick of sense and a love for their neighbor will call the police on someones behalf. 

In my case... either one, two, or both of these things happened...
1) "no one has a lick of common sense or any love for their neighbor"('s RV). 

Or most likely

2) THERE WERE NOT ENOUGH BLOODY COPS PATROLLING AFTER CHARLIE AND MIKE WERE FIRED.

Given the fact that my RV has had attempted break-ins 3 times out of 5 years attending, I believe the first is quite true.  Based solely on the number of pry marks on my RV, the level of scum in the camp grounds for the last few years is horrid, and the worst I have seen in 13 years of being at TRF.

Given that my RV was damaged immediately AFTER Charlie and Mike were fired, I strongly believe the second is true as well.

The number of patrolling officers was increased on second weekend. Their presence was greatly appreciated, and having talked to some of them already, I have found them to be conscientious but not numerous enough.  Too late, damage done. 

Is their attempt at increasing patrolling going to be enough?  I'd say no way... they failed to stop the other 3 attempts on my property after being 'ramped up' further each year.

Quite frankly, I would applaud anyone being 'vigilant' in my direction.  Call the police and take lots of pictures ;-)

Oh wait.. how convenient... the police/security call-in numbers have been taken down from around the camp grounds.  Probably cost too much to man a phone? (or woman a phone, I don't want to be sexist ;-)   So, what about those $20 fees?

Stalk well...
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: TheOnlyAxxe on October 21, 2010, 02:47:05 AM
Unfortunately, Charlie's wife was fired also in Georges fit of insanity So I have decided to personally boycott TRF and will not be spending my money there any more. From now on I will be making all of my purchases at Sherwood in the spring. I know its a drop in the bucket for George but its my money (I usually  spend about $2500.00 a year) and he wont be seeing a penny of it ever again for the magic is gone as long as that tyrant is at the helm....
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on October 21, 2010, 04:14:59 AM
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on October 20, 2010, 10:13:23 PM
Quote from: Fraser of Lovatt on October 20, 2010, 08:33:56 PM
Vigilante... Lol, good one. :D >:(

Last time i checked... hold on, let me go back and check what i said...

Oh, yeah!  I talked about helping the police, on site.  I guess in an Obama world, pulling out your cell phone, calling the cops when you see a thief is being a vigilante... by letting the "dark side" know that their are people about, and watching, that won't stand for that kind of BS in our camp.  I never implied anything violent happen.  The Order is about helping the helpless... you know, escorting drunken fools back to their home clans, watching a woman's back while she takes a piss at the Church of the Blue Water, breaking up stupidity before it becomes a drunken brawl... keeping an eye on our fellow Rennie's property. Vigilante... LOL.  :D  I call it C.I.A.... Chivalry In Action.  THAT is what The Order is about.

I thought i defended what The Order stood for, last year, when members of a different Clan attacked us and what we stood for?  >:(   History repeats itself... from my own clan.

The Order doesn't answer to any one Clan... we are Clanless but members of ALL clans.


So saith, Fraser of Lovatt, Holder of Lairde Daniel's Proxy,  Lairde of The Order Of Culloden Moor, Lord of the Rusty Nail, Knight of the Isles.  

   

Let's get a few facts straight out in the open Fraser as it seems that doing this in private in the past hasn't worked.  The Order of Culloden Moor is not and has never been an order to protect, escort or act as a Guardian Angel to anyone.  The Order was MacKee's inception, copywright and cost and you and LD were brought in as members.

The scope of The Order is to give remembrance to those who were lost during The Battle of Culloden.  It is not and never will be a vigilante/guardian group.  Posting on R/F in such a way gives the impression that it is.

By posting such statements on the forum you have given cause to at least three possible scenarios:

1) The message that The Order is some kind of police force and gets the attention of the REAL police and/or faire officials and brings unwanted attention.

2) People buy into it and the next thing we know people are bugging The Order to help them remove drunks or do something about a pissed off boyfriend, etc.

3) The wrong people buy into it, get drunk and then, to prove a point, go out of their way to start sh*t with The Order.   


All bad.

Do not broadcast that The Order is there to protect anyone.  If a lady asks someone for an escort back to a camp; that is fine and is at the discretion of the individual member.  But advertising The Order as anything else is asking for trouble.

Anyone that has a lick of sense and a love for their neighbor will call the police on someones behalf.  Don't try that angle with this.





LOL!  I love it!  i smelled this coming, before Scarby.  Since you obviously believe the caltrap you wrote, It was MY idea, worked out with LD... all details except the name and there were plenty of witnesses on chat that day... MacKee asked US to get in on it.  You can have it, since you want it so much, because i will not put my name to a social club.



Since i hold LD's Proxy in this... The Order of Culloden Moor is disolved.  You can have your stinking pins and you can keep your name from a LOSING battle.  :D


Have a nice day.  ;D
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Bonny Pearl on October 21, 2010, 05:53:10 AM
Must be two different orders because this was never what MacKee had in mind.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: DonaCatalina on October 21, 2010, 06:15:17 AM
Ok, my information is second-hand so don't shoot me if I'm wrong.
Charging a security fee is an implied contract that security will be supplied 24 hours. If this in fact is not provided, people who experience damage or loss may have grounds to sue for said damages and breach of contract.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on October 21, 2010, 06:54:11 AM
S'all good.  ;) I wrote off the Order a few months ago when my training kicked in and reminded me that i broke a cardnal rule about being an operator...



*I turned my back on y'all*




Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: MacKee on October 21, 2010, 07:51:53 AM
Allow me to clarify...The Order of Culloden Moor is not dissolved. Nor will it ever be until I decide so.


I am surprised and saddened to hear some of you no longer want to be part of our beloved Order.

Good luck. I wish you well.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: ravic on October 21, 2010, 08:04:28 AM
Um, guys, could you take this Culloden thing private? Those of us in other clans try to keep our stuff off-board. It doesn't concern anyone else AND it's way off topic.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on October 21, 2010, 08:30:37 AM
Quote from: MacKee on October 21, 2010, 07:51:53 AM
Allow me to clarify...The Order of Culloden Moor is not dissolved. Nor will it ever be until I decide so.


I am surprised and saddened to hear some of you no longer want to be part of our beloved Order.

Good luck. I wish you well.



LOL!  Have at it.  :D
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on October 21, 2010, 08:31:38 AM
Quote from: ravic on October 21, 2010, 08:04:28 AM
Um, guys, could you take this Culloden thing private? Those of us in other clans try to keep our stuff off-board. It doesn't concern anyone else AND it's way off topic.


Sorry, Sir.  The matter is over with.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Sir Martin on October 21, 2010, 03:07:33 PM
This thread has gotten a bit heated for a number of reasons.  Let's try to all keep a cool head about things.

The situation with Charlie (and others who were relieved from their duties) is unfortunate.  He made a lot of friends over the years and it is sad, and almost always contentious when someone is abruptly terminated from a position.  There are factors involved that most of us are unaware of, and it is easy for tempers to flare when discussing issues of this nature.  None of us can override King George's decision, however, so we will have to deal with it as diplomatically as possible.

It's also unfortunate to see friends angry with each other, but please hold clan discussions of a contentious nature in a more private venue.  I hope you all can work it out.

Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: SolRac on October 21, 2010, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: ravic on October 21, 2010, 08:04:28 AM
Um, guys, could you take this Culloden thing private? Those of us in other clans try to keep our stuff off-board. It doesn't concern anyone else AND it's way off topic.

What he said. ;) FAMILY CAMPING HERE WE COME!!!
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Yrose on October 21, 2010, 04:25:27 PM
Well just when last year camping was getting better and safer feeling. Guess we will have to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Dracconia on October 21, 2010, 08:12:19 PM
Beginning to wonder how smart it is to camp now....
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Mouse on October 21, 2010, 08:18:07 PM
CAMP! We look out for each other. I am camping, no changing of the guard or driving off the guard is going to scare me off...no sirre.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: crashbot on October 21, 2010, 08:20:54 PM
I'm still camping. Bad things happen, doesnt mean I'll stop enjoying myself for the "what ifs".  Physical security starts with YOU..
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: beckgam462 on October 21, 2010, 08:27:43 PM
Lock it up
keep it close to the group
and watch your clan neighbors back for strangers (unknown visitors) / weird stuff

physical security starts with You as crashbot stated.

leave it out get cleaned out
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Dracconia on October 21, 2010, 08:37:38 PM
Silly me. I forgot who my clan was for a second...I'm good.

I know they have my back, which si why they are my clan
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: *Teach* on October 21, 2010, 10:10:35 PM
Quote from: Dracconia on October 21, 2010, 08:37:38 PM
Silly me. I forgot who my clan was for a second...I'm good.

I know they have my back, which si why they are my clan
Always will Drac

*as long as there is rum, I will be camping*
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: crashbot on October 22, 2010, 10:38:16 PM
No clan to watch my stuff, but I kinda recognize the groups of people around me over the past couple years and could probably pick out some nefarious type that didnt belong. Just hope people would show me the same courtesy.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: KiltedPrivateer on October 25, 2010, 10:43:58 AM
Stalkwell - Just curious, what part of the camp ground were you parked in?
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Stalkwell on October 25, 2010, 01:04:09 PM
Quote from: KiltedPrivateer on October 25, 2010, 10:43:58 AM
Stalkwell - Just curious, what part of the camp ground were you parked in?

We were in the open field behind the corner store... roughly to the west of row 30 I think, and half way down the hillside at a diagonal.  If you have Google Earth, coords are N 30 15.702, W 095 50.605

Curiously, this week the pigs only peed on the tires of the RV.  I guess things are improving?

We pulled in Friday night next to what turned out to be a rowdy bunch of F-bomb yelling camp ground trash, and they kept it up until about 3 in the morning.  It was amusing... we kept count and heard F this or F that in 1 of every 2.6 sentences.  I think that's a record, even for down there.  One said 'that Winnebago is gonna F'in stink in the morning after I..." .  Oh well... at least they fly their true colors, all you have to do is listen.

We broke camp and moved the site a few hundred yards away from there the next morning.  So much for getting in at a reasonable time (as if we ever do ;-)

These clowns were mostly bluster, but probably would have rallied to trash our RV if security had been called.

I miss Charlie!  I have no doubt that he would have dealt with it, and I doubt I would have had as much fear of retribution for telling him.

Stalk well...
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Shandi on October 25, 2010, 01:09:47 PM
This is a RUMOR! nor I can prove or disprove the following.
I overheard a discussion concerning "Charlie" and it was said he was caught being inapropriate with young girls on more then one occasion, and that's why he was let go.
I just wonder if this "rumor" was started just to make him not look so good. From what you all have said he was a good fellow and took care of the camp grounds.

Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: LadyJessica on October 25, 2010, 01:42:36 PM
Yeah...that has to be a rumor.  And a VERY false one at that!  I don't see Charlie or Mike ever doing that!
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: brier patch charlie on October 25, 2010, 09:41:02 PM
I can't see it eather. Charlie was like 73 or 75, can't see to many young girls going for that. And word would have got around quick if he was any sort of a chomo!
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Shandi on October 26, 2010, 08:41:37 AM
I am always amazed at how Rumors can spread like wildfire and be so stupidly off the wall that people actually give them merit...
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Brother Octavius on October 26, 2010, 01:55:18 PM
After dealing with the drunk last year, I had welcomed more security.  Do they have any plain clothed officers this year?  Security for me is a top priority.
I value order and protection and hope that this will be provided.  Charlie and Mike will be missed and I hope the new officers understand just how much is needed with all the novice drinkers with weapons and war like mentalities looking to show just how tough they can be toward people who want nothing to do with them.

The Drunk Monks will be there Nov 12-14th, please keep an eye out for us.  We are but poor monks doing the Lords work.  May your mugs never run dry.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Taylor Blu on October 28, 2010, 11:06:09 PM
This was my first time to ren fest an came with  my father.  He said he has been around 20 times or so.  The 20 dollars is for parking at the camp, not security. I was told by a woman who worked at on of the shops (she wore an all white leather pirate outfit) that the camp parking fee was "to discourage the ravers." We told her it was not working.  I did have a great time and made friends with some larger groups. A man named Pete next to us (very friendly and a tie die expert) had his ice chest stolen saturday morning. Our other neighbor, Dutch, told us about the Angel sword that was stolen. 
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: gaerdon on November 01, 2010, 11:51:00 PM
Just rly recovering from getting back and got to say i heard of more break ins then ever before.  Cops came around 5 times while we were cooking hamburgers on a propane grill to check and make sure our fire was acceptable, come morning two camps beside us had coolers stolen, apparently someone had fun taking the alcohol from one and pouring it all over the dudes car, and it looked liked a rampaging bull had come through our camp, chairs, grill, some unlit tiki torches we had put up to keep people from stumbling in had all been thrown to the ground.  Just wasnt a very safe camping xp this year sorry to say.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: KiltedPrivateer on November 02, 2010, 07:46:32 AM
The best way to camp at TRF is keep your camp small and tight.  Tents have to be right on top of one another.  Vehicles should be parked on the barrier.  The tighter the better. 

TRF is like a small city.  A small city that has its good parts of town and its slums.  Camp in the slums and you're gonna have a bad experience.  Unfortunately, this city is so small that the slums are right next door to the decent side of town so sometimes the trouble makers find their way in, but we do good at running them off.  The best advice I can give is to camp with veterans who know the lay of the land and who can offer protection from the undesirables.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Taylor Blu on November 02, 2010, 03:33:18 PM
I have been thinking this over and have come to the conclusion that I will be adding this to my camp gear.
http://www.amazon.com/Sierra-Electric-JB5293-Motion-Sensor/dp/B0018SMM7W%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAJASE6HSSVXTNREYQ%26tag%3Dsmtfx1-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB0018SMM7W (http://www.amazon.com/Sierra-Electric-JB5293-Motion-Sensor/dp/B0018SMM7W%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAJASE6HSSVXTNREYQ%26tag%3Dsmtfx1-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB0018SMM7W)
If I can direct the sensor to only be activated when someone passes into my own camp, and I set it up only when I am going to sleep or walkabout it could detour the camp gremlins.  Of course I will also try to set up as close to a large camp as I can without getting into there space, and keep the light so as to not bother anyone else as well.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: DonaCatalina on November 02, 2010, 03:48:19 PM
Ten bucks is pretty cheap for camp security aid.WOW. (http://www.amazon.com/Sierra-Electric-JB5293-Motion-Sensor/dp/B0018SMM7W%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAJASE6HSSVXTNREYQ%26tag%3Dsmtfx1-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB0018SMM7W)
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 02, 2010, 04:30:41 PM
This would work much better... http://taser.com/products/law/Pages/ShockwaveLE.aspx

Hook it to motion sensors and all would be good.  ;D


*Life is more fun with Claymores*
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: eloquentXI on November 02, 2010, 05:46:31 PM
Quote from: Fraser of Lovatt on November 02, 2010, 04:30:41 PM
This would work much better... http://taser.com/products/law/Pages/ShockwaveLE.aspx

Hook it to motion sensors and all would be good.  ;D


*Life is more fun with Claymores*

One more reason I'm so glad you're my big faire brother and I'm not on your bad side...currently....m ;D
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Riot on November 02, 2010, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: eloquentXI on November 02, 2010, 05:46:31 PM
Quote from: Fraser of Lovatt on November 02, 2010, 04:30:41 PM
This would work much better... http://taser.com/products/law/Pages/ShockwaveLE.aspx

Hook it to motion sensors and all would be good.  ;D


*Life is more fun with Claymores*

One more reason I'm so glad you're my big faire brother and I'm not on your bad side...currently....m ;D

Amen to that..
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: beckgam462 on November 02, 2010, 06:56:53 PM
Quote from: Fraser of Lovatt on November 02, 2010, 04:30:41 PM
This would work much better... http://taser.com/products/law/Pages/ShockwaveLE.aspx

Hook it to motion sensors and all would be good.  ;D


*Life is more fun with Claymores*
Alright taser claymore


got love it,    where do you find these things

I have got to get one of these

cool toys
Is Nasty as resourceful ?
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: SolRac on November 02, 2010, 07:39:46 PM
Quote from: gaerdon on November 01, 2010, 11:51:00 PM
Just rly recovering from getting back and got to say i heard of more break ins then ever before.  Cops came around 5 times while we were cooking hamburgers on a propane grill to check and make sure our fire was acceptable, come morning two camps beside us had coolers stolen, apparently someone had fun taking the alcohol from one and pouring it all over the dudes car, and it looked liked a rampaging bull had come through our camp, chairs, grill, some unlit tiki torches we had put up to keep people from stumbling in had all been thrown to the ground.  Just wasnt a very safe camping xp this year sorry to say.

For us we had no issues whatsoever. I did hear the Celtic Rogues had some coolers stolen. Rumor has its the Camp Panda crew thats camps right on the corner by the quickie mart thats been stealing coolers. From what i was told Charlie and Mike had banned them from camp when coolers from clans were found labeled with owners names in there camp but they heard they were fired so they came back. I was pretty much the camp security and was on fire, drunk and thief watch in our camp. The only ones i had to worry about was our own drunks. Stayed up till 430am  both nights. Was pretty quiet both nights. Word to the wise have someone or have a rotation to watch your camp at night and during the day. Pays to have good Neighbors ours was the Green Flame good people.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: SirRichardBear on November 02, 2010, 10:50:45 PM
Quote from: Fraser of Lovatt on November 02, 2010, 04:30:41 PM
This would work much better... http://taser.com/products/law/Pages/ShockwaveLE.aspx


Saw them fire one of those things off on the discoverage channel.  I think it was ISDF that uses them.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: KiltedPrivateer on November 03, 2010, 06:57:21 AM
Quote from: Fraser of Lovatt on November 02, 2010, 04:30:41 PM
This would work much better... http://taser.com/products/law/Pages/ShockwaveLE.aspx

Hook it to motion sensors and all would be good.  ;D


*Life is more fun with Claymores*

Thats freakin awesome - Probably has a nice military price tag associated with it though
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Riot on November 03, 2010, 08:54:36 AM
We had no theft issues either, in fact Saturday some liquor didn't get put away and was sitting on the table in the middle of camp under the pavilion with just mesh walls zippered down and no one touched anything. I was shocked to find it still sitting there.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 03, 2010, 09:49:46 AM
Quote from: Riot on November 03, 2010, 08:54:36 AM
We had no theft issues either, in fact Saturday some liquor didn't get put away and was sitting on the table in the middle of camp under the pavilion with just mesh walls zippered down and no one touched anything. I was shocked to find it still sitting there.


It was nice having good neighbors... and being away from The Circle.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: eloquentXI on November 03, 2010, 10:00:35 AM
Quote from: Riot on November 03, 2010, 08:54:36 AM
We had no theft issues either, in fact Saturday some liquor didn't get put away and was sitting on the table in the middle of camp under the pavilion with just mesh walls zippered down and no one touched anything. I was shocked to find it still sitting there.

We were really lucky though that made me nervous. We knew almost everyone camping around us and the people we didn't, we introduced ourselves too. It was REALLY nice not being next to the drum circle.

Even though on Saturday night, we had a young drunkard wander to our fire, and after a short exchange and his persistence of trying to talk to Mystery, I started to get uncomfortable. I asked him to leave and his response was to instead plop down in a chair by the fire. I gve fair warning though, and very calmly stated, "There are two very big men that will remove you if you don't leave..."

He gone after a few moments when I got up and talked to some of the men in camp. I'm very lucky to have so many faire brothers/Uncles/friends there to look after me or come running at the first word...
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Bonny Pearl on November 03, 2010, 11:01:52 AM
no problems in our camp area either.  saw the presence of the police quite often which was nice.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: angusmacinnes on November 03, 2010, 11:37:12 AM
They seemed to come around every couple of hours or so at our place.  Was good seeing them and yeah being away from the fire pit I think helps alot.  Plus with not having the bonfire I am sure cut down on the amount of traffic in the area.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 03, 2010, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: eloquentXI on November 03, 2010, 10:00:35 AM
Quote from: Riot on November 03, 2010, 08:54:36 AM
We had no theft issues either, in fact Saturday some liquor didn't get put away and was sitting on the table in the middle of camp under the pavilion with just mesh walls zippered down and no one touched anything. I was shocked to find it still sitting there.

We were really lucky though that made me nervous. We knew almost everyone camping around us and the people we didn't, we introduced ourselves too. It was REALLY nice not being next to the drum circle.

Even though on Saturday night, we had a young drunkard wander to our fire, and after a short exchange and his persistence of trying to talk to Mystery, I started to get uncomfortable. I asked him to leave and his response was to instead plop down in a chair by the fire. I gve fair warning though, and very calmly stated, "There are two very big men that will remove you if you don't leave..."

He gone after a few moments when I got up and talked to some of the men in camp. I'm very lucky to have so many faire brothers/Uncles/friends there to look after me or come running at the first word...




It must've been the scowl i gave him... or the war axe i picked up.  ;D
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Lady Laura on November 04, 2010, 04:01:00 PM
Saw Charlie having fun last weekend at the Sea Devil.  Had women all over him as usual!
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1126.snc4/148827_494977680089_739460089_7611141_7630830_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Merlin the Elder on November 04, 2010, 04:05:24 PM
Quote from: Lady Laura on November 04, 2010, 04:01:00 PM
Saw Charlie having fun last weekend at the Sea Devil.  Had women all over him as usual!
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1126.snc4/148827_494977680089_739460089_7611141_7630830_n.jpg)

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Taylor Blu on November 04, 2010, 05:48:40 PM
The talk of the drum circle reminded me that some fools on 3rd weekend rolled two of the large logs into the fire.  When I go back think I'll stay at the quite camp.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Tink on November 04, 2010, 09:46:21 PM
Quote from: SolRac on November 02, 2010, 07:39:46 PM
Pays to have good Neighbors ours was the Green Flame good people.

We (the Green Flame) were unfortunately infiltrated by some drunk pre-teens (ok, they were maybe all of 14) who I know stole at least one cooler of beer when they ran out of alcohol.  (we found it in the pile of all of the trash they left when they took off).  The whole higher camp fee and having to show or buy tickets at the gate doesn't work- they all just paid for camping and entrance tickets so they could come blast their gangsta' rap music and drink other people's alcohol...

Other than the group of kids, we were surrounded by seemingly good people, so that's a definite bonus.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: SolRac on November 04, 2010, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: Tink on November 04, 2010, 09:46:21 PM
Quote from: SolRac on November 02, 2010, 07:39:46 PM
Pays to have good Neighbors ours was the Green Flame good people.

We (the Green Flame) were unfortunately infiltrated by some drunk pre-teens (ok, they were maybe all of 14) who I know stole at least one cooler of beer when they ran out of alcohol.  (we found it in the pile of all of the trash they left when they took off).  The whole higher camp fee and having to show or buy tickets at the gate doesn't work- they all just paid for camping and entrance tickets so they could come blast their gangsta' rap music and drink other people's alcohol...

Other than the group of kids, we were surrounded by seemingly good people, so that's a definite bonus.

Ya i heard you guys saying yay when they turned it off and nooooo when they turned it back on. Have to make sure we camp by you guys again or with? 8). Great group of people you guys are. Even took a photo of my son with the Storm Trooper 8). Safety in numbers. We will be attending last weekend hopefully yall are there that weekend. We will probably camp in the same spot.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Tink on November 04, 2010, 09:59:03 PM
Now I know who you are!  The trooper is my husband (and I must assure everyone, he only did it for Halloween- he is not one of the regular troopers out there)  I was the green faery with him.

Yes, you must camp with us next time!  Will you be out for turkey weekend?
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: SolRac on November 04, 2010, 10:01:50 PM
Sure will! Us and pretty much the same group that camped with us that weekend.  We will be arriving after the feasting some Thursday evening. Maybe more kids not sure yet though. Yes i do remember you.....Need to give yall my number so we can coordinate. 8)
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: *Teach* on November 05, 2010, 09:18:37 AM
Friday Night Tim and I helped Ambard make a few teenage drink beggars feel very unwelcome at Jessica's (or was it Riot's?) request by MS. They left without an arguement.
That was the extent of any issues I saw or had this past weekend.
There was the drunk girl who caused a marathon campground walk to help her find her camp but that wasn't a huge deal really. PR made me proud trying to help the twit.
(After about 2 hours walking in the middle of the night we discovered the next day that her camp was across the street from ours.)

*I brought plenty of rum so that I would be happy to help her find camp but even that was starting to fade*
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: LadyJessica on November 05, 2010, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: *Teach* on November 05, 2010, 09:18:37 AM
There was the drunk girl who caused a marathon campground walk to help her find her camp but that wasn't a huge deal really. PR made me proud trying to help the twit.
(After about 2 hours walking in the middle of the night we discovered the next day that her camp was across the street from ours.)

*I brought plenty of rum so that I would be happy to help her find camp but even that was starting to fade*

I'm also told that the cops, after being asked to help out with another drunk chick, told the BS that it was not their problem.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: *Teach* on November 05, 2010, 01:50:06 PM
That was the same drunk chick

*rum always helps me get home*
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: RenStarr on November 05, 2010, 02:00:09 PM
FYI.........there was another (under the influence of something) young chick lost that couldn't find her way home on Sunday evening.  Same place (PR camp area), same M.O.  I have no idea if that was the same chick from Saturday evening, but sitting around Sunday evening with the B.S. crew, she came stumbling thru the campers & tents totally lost and UTI.  Some group behind us took her in and put her to sleep in a camper. 
The PR area seemed to be magnet for "lost little girls" on AHE weekend. 
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: *Teach* on November 05, 2010, 02:17:56 PM
We usually blame Mac for that... the boy is constantly picking up strays

*I only seem to find rum for some reason*
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: brier patch charlie on November 05, 2010, 06:52:59 PM
Well, Looks as if I'm going to have to start camping up there with all of yall. Seems that's were all the drunk women amble to.  And I wouldn't need to cook, Z's got that covered.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: *Teach* on November 05, 2010, 08:47:13 PM
You know you are welcome anytime BPC!

*as long as you bring a drop or two of rum you are always welcome lol*
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: brier patch charlie on November 05, 2010, 10:05:15 PM
Teach, just for you I'll bring some rum. But Scotch is so much better.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: *Teach* on November 05, 2010, 10:31:28 PM
I will accept scotch as a substitute

*Scotch is ok in a pinch, but Rum is the stuff.*
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: brier patch charlie on November 05, 2010, 10:46:39 PM
I'll make sure it's Good Scotch, no chep sh!$%, but if I have to I'll find some rum!
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Rani Zemirah on November 05, 2010, 11:50:20 PM
I like our end of the campground... it's definitely not as crazy, and it's close to the fence, so maybe the thieves think it's easier to hit the camps with open space around them so they can scatter easier if they're caught...  Mostly (well, unless you're a drunk chick, I guess) if you're on that end it's because you meant to go there, and not because you stumbled upon it by accident. 

I really enjoyed all the camps that were around us, and met quite a few people from smaller groups on the periphery that were very nice, as well.  It's a really good location! 
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 06, 2010, 11:40:52 AM
Aye, Lass... I'll have to agree with thee.  Even the group of younger people next to us were cool... they brought us barley wine and we took over some loki.  They never had loki before... their brewmaster found out why it's full name is Loki's Revenge.  :D
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Rani Zemirah on November 06, 2010, 12:02:22 PM
LOL  I must have missed out on the barley wine... :(  I think it does help to at least introduce ourselves to the neighbors, because it seems to be a bit more difficult for many people to steal from someone they've looked in the eye, chatted with, and shared a laugh or a sip of Loki with.  It also helps to get familiar with those that belong in the area so that when the wanderers come along they can be spotted more easily. 

I think I must only have flirted a bit with our friend Loki last weekend, because he was most kind to me upon waking each morning, and never once steered me into any of the myriad traps scattered throughout the grounds!  ;)
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 06, 2010, 05:22:56 PM
Nasty found a drunk trap, Friday night... not someones tent stake but this little hole in the ground.  It just happened to be Nasty's foot size...  :D
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Rani Zemirah on November 06, 2010, 06:08:59 PM
Ouch!!!  Didn't seem to do too much damage, though, because I didn't see him limping at all.  That kind of thing is bound to happen when you pay more attention to all that cleavage you're surrounded by than to where you're putting your feet!  :P  :D 
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: crashbot on November 07, 2010, 12:03:13 AM
Luckily my little group has grown to 4, although the 4th isn't very intimidating. We usually get left alone for the most part, just hope nothing gets messed with while we are inside.

We did have a drunk show up last year, but we teased the guy so bad he fjust left on his own.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: grizintx on November 07, 2010, 08:20:50 PM
Just got home and had an amazing weekend.  Went and personally greeted each neighbor as they arrived or once they were established, told them to keep an eye on their stuff and that we believed in the watch thy neighbor system.  One group immediately packed up and left to the other side of the grounds.  Every one else was great, seemed to appreciate the friendly greeting and promised to help watch each others back.  Probably the best camping experience we've had.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: KiltedPrivateer on November 07, 2010, 08:55:00 PM
Quote from: grizintx on November 07, 2010, 08:20:50 PM
Just got home and had an amazing weekend.  Went and personally greeted each neighbor as they arrived or once they were established, told them to keep an eye on their stuff and that we believed in the watch thy neighbor system.  One group immediately packed up and left to the other side of the grounds.  Every one else was great, seemed to appreciate the friendly greeting and promised to help watch each others back.  Probably the best camping experience we've had.

This is an excellent idea and I'm glad it worked out well for you.  Everyone should know thy neighbors if nothing else for helping to improve everyones safety in their area.  Good work Griz
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: grizintx on November 07, 2010, 08:59:06 PM
A bit of irony, Lady Stitch happened to be one of my new friends for the weekend.   Her entire group was near us.  Amazing folks, if you have not personally, introduced and spent some time with her and her pink pirate, you would be doing yourself a favor to do so.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 08, 2010, 06:44:21 AM
*Don't forget The Traveling Gnome*  :D
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: LadyStitch on November 09, 2010, 12:01:13 PM
Quote from: grizintx on November 07, 2010, 08:59:06 PMA bit of irony, Lady Stitch happened to be one of my new friends for the weekend.   Her entire group was near us.  Amazing folks, if you have not personally, introduced and spent some time with her and her pink pirate, you would be doing yourself a favor to do so.
I have to say fate had a hand in it because I don't know HOW I would have found you otherwise.  You were not where I thought you were going to be.  It was nice his group came over and helped me & the pirate with our little tent problem.  ::)  And we returned it with Pyrate rum and Single Barrel Jack Daniels to share.  Made for a nice time.
When we had a car door that didn't get shut all the way, a neighbor shut it for us.  Everyone kept an eye on each other' camps.  The ONLY times we had any issues was a bunch of ^&*T*%* twits who were going fire to fire trying to find drugs, and were blasting bass techno music until 6 AM.  I have a feeling  they may have had a little 'accident' with their sound system the next two nights. 
The other happened Saturday night.  We had just come back from Tim's camp.  The Pink Pirate and I went to bed, but another couple was stayed up to make sure our two teenagers went to bed, and didn't get into trouble.   Some very scary drunk guy came into camp.  He kept nosing around out canopies.  He wanted to know what we kept in the sealed canopies..  After slapping a hand over our overly friendly teenager's mouth, we told him only tables.  He then tried to put the moves on our teenagers by dragging them through the dark to the fire circle.   Instead of letting them go alone our group went with them.  He tried to ditch them at the fire to go raid our stuff, but the adults circled around and wouldn't let him get near.  Our people aren't that intimidating but having them stand like centials at our canopies doors, with the our teenagers behind them DOES make the point known.  And we had a feeling if we needed the help there was  not just our group, but the ones across the road, and  down at Tim's camp who would have come to help. 
All in all, camp responsibly and with Friends, and you should be fine.

The only things we 'lost' this weekend was our crappy camp shower that we hadn't used in 5 years.  It was old, mildewed and calcified.  If you want it you can have it.  Wasn't worth the trouble of repacking it anyway.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 09, 2010, 12:15:14 PM
Tazer.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: grizintx on November 09, 2010, 10:22:22 PM
Heck Love,if you guys had any issue my lads and I would have happily stepped up to run interference.  should have sent a runner.  Happy there weren't any major issues though.  Look forward to hanging with you guys again.  SOON. (envisions a trip to Sherwood.)
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: LadyStitch on November 10, 2010, 08:21:19 AM
We would have sent a runner but it was just Mythin & Kalee with the 16 & 17 year old girls.  We didn't want to leave the girls 1 man down.  And yeah we are already plotting a trip to sherwood. Won't be the whole clan, but it will be us.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Taylor Blu on November 18, 2010, 07:00:57 PM
Hey every one! How was camp safety this past weekend? I'm trying to keep tabs on things for my dad who will be there on last weekend, without me :(
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: KiltedPrivateer on November 18, 2010, 07:19:45 PM
I don't think our group encountered any problems with theft and we were only 2 rows from the cessp... Eh, Fire Circle (o:  That of course made us the thoroughfare for the fire circle foot traffic but even still, no issues that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: crashbot on November 22, 2010, 08:10:48 AM
Yeah, we had no trouble at all. Maybe it was me, but there seemed to be more police and the patrols seemed to more often,  not just a quick run through. I had dismounted officers walk past our camp on several occasions and we where way in the back. I do not recall that happening more than maybe once in the past few years. 

Only two minor instances,

One underage kid asked for an "extra beer", to which I replied "there is no such thing as an extra beer, want a gatoraide?". I think that shorted out what brain they had left for that evening, so they just walked off.

One very drunk guy who stopped by early in the evening Friday and then came back even more intoxicated later that night, so drunk he couldn't even form a coherent sentence. One of my camp mates suggested it was "about time for you to go to bed, don't you think?". Guy just wondered off into the night, never to be seen by us again.
Title: Re: Charlie Thacker, Campground Security, TRF
Post by: Tink on November 22, 2010, 06:46:36 PM
I have to make a comment here - I love that you offered the underage kid a gatorade.  I know there are many views and opinions about drinking ages, but as a teacher, I am greatly pleased at how much I see this being enforced with the camp "regulars" and such.  Keep up the good karma!