Ok, I feel like a post aholic today.
So, I said in a prev. post that we are prepping for a formal masquerade ball. Then I also said that I don't DO H/A, but I thought about it. While my stuff isn't H/A, I don't want to just completely disregard any semblance of ... well you get it.
So I have a bunch of gorgeous corsets that all have black in them. But I always wear a plain skirt (This is what I normally wear, though I only rarely pin it up):
This is what I was looking at and fell in love with (The skirt only):
http://www.etsy.com/listing/70061813/dance-all-night-skirt I love that it has the underskirts showing.
I just bought this black skirt:
But I'm wondering if I need to tell her to make it bigger or longer if I decide to go the DIY route and get the understuff myself.
So do I have to tell her to make it bigger? And do I try to do it myself?
But I haven't seen anyone with under'things' like this at the faire (or I didn't pay attention, that happens too). Was it ever worn? Or did they just use hoops, etc.?
(PS, I know this could go into the sewing area, but...it's half and half).
What do you all think? Or do I plot down the 150 some dollars (she has a sale) and buy that skirt. *sigh*.
I'm not really clear on what you're asking, and also, only one of your links came up (to the skirt on etsy). Can you clarify?
Dittoing Gem. The skirt link that works it quite lovely, but it's 20th Century/21St Century semi formal Goth if anything. I wore a similar outfit, in red, about 15 years ago to a Christmas ball. Still love that dress.
There are ton of threads on skirts on the sewing side of the forum. You might want to check out those.
Quote from: gem on August 20, 2011, 04:09:15 PM
I'm not really clear on what you're asking, and also, only one of your links came up (to the skirt on etsy). Can you clarify?
Crap! And I spent a while finding those darn links:
This is the one I just bought (well, it is being made) and I'm not sure if I do get the crinoline skirt underneath if I have to instruct her to make it wider/bigger, etc:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/77654059/black-full-length-costume-skirt
I'm asking for what normally is worn under skirts. THis is formal, so I'm not going for H/A, but I don't want to stick out too bad like a sore thumb.
I do get that that skirt is a recent modification. But I do know that in history, big full skirts are not just 21st century. I'm asking for a bit of history on what time periods and who would have worn something like that.
Thank you so much! Hope these links work.
The description that goes with the skirt you bought says, "We make these skirts full, so you can use them with most hoop skirts." I don't think you need to ask her to make it bigger to wear it with a crinoline. But I am still confused.
What period / style are you going for?
The thing is I don't care too much about H/A. I just want to have the general idea. I don't have a time period. I was just sitting down and thinking about it, and frankly, it is mostly from ideas in my head...movies and books from when i was a child. So who knows, it could be a little odd ;)
I see that she says things about hoops, but I have one of her skirts and I can't imagine having a hoop under it. Just doesn't seem to have enough fabric to it. Hm.
I've posted a thread in the sewing area to see if someone can help me make one.
I just want a nice full skirt to wear with my corset, elizabethan riding hat, etc. My corset couldn't be less H/A, it's a front lacing Damsel (though it is LOVELY). The skirt, I've seen plenty of full ones, I guess I just really liked the tulle underneath peaking out rather than doing a hoop.
My purpose of this was to A) find out if anyone thought it was wortht he money to pay for (I know that is subjective, but I don't know...I'm kind of tired of buying blind) and if anyone thought it'd be too ridiculous to wear to the ren faire's masquerade ball. Has anyone seen anyone at the faire wearing anything like this? (Not that that is a huge factor).
Just trying to get some opinions on it.
It seems like the look your going for is a mix of antebellum/victorian and modern gothic. The corset with the full skirt look wouldn't be specifically HA for either eras- more of mixing styles. But still lovely.
Full skirts with hoops during the civil war years
(http://www.ariaaustin.com/image/worthflowerballgown.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aRZwHCvTokk/TiGdlFB7FNI/AAAAAAAAB2I/rNtklqIMmVE/s1600/Godey%2527s+Lady%2527s+Book+Fashion+plate+July+1864.jpg)
Victorian styles with the corseted style bodices
(http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/1887_mar5_hb.jpg)
(http://img104.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2007/05/31/minaharker-46nyyjedf.jpg)
I posted to your other thread. I think you just want a 3 sectioned (1 & 1/2) circle skirt in a formal fabric, (taffetta?). H/A would have silk taffetta. Polyester taffetta is readily available in lots of colors today for a fairly reasonable price.
I think tulle is a recent addition. I'd have to google that, but I'd guess in the last 50-100 years??? I have never seen tulle at a ren faire, but I suppose it could be hiding underneath. If YOU like the look, do what you like.
Seems fun to me to mix it up ... an Elizabethan hat, a Victorian Corset, a Civil war era skirt with 1950's tulle.
LOVE IT.
If you're planning to wear this at faire, I highly recommend against a full length tulle skirt or petticoat. It will catch twigs and leaves all over the place, and they will all get stuck in the bottom of the tulle. Tulle petticoats are also much more difficult to operate than a farthingale. You can get a very nice full look with a fathingale and bum roll. I like my Moresca farthingale, since it has enough ruffles on it that I don't need to wear a petticoat on top, but they are a little pricey.
Oh yeah, tulle would be a weed magnet!
I think she was not only looking at the tulle for fullness, but to actually have the tulle show as an underskirt. It might work for an indoor masquerade party, but I agree - nightmare to wear in a natural environment!
Quote from: Lady Rebecca on August 21, 2011, 04:30:34 AM
If you're planning to wear this at faire, I highly recommend against a full length tulle skirt or petticoat. It will catch twigs and leaves all over the place, and they will all get stuck in the bottom of the tulle. Tulle petticoats are also much more difficult to operate than a farthingale. You can get a very nice full look with a fathingale and bum roll. I like my Moresca farthingale, since it has enough ruffles on it that I don't need to wear a petticoat on top, but they are a little pricey.
I'm not a fan of the bum roll or farthingale. Sorry. :( The look I'm going for cannot be achieved with either. I have a really really long corset since I think I have an allergy to any corset that makes one's lower stomach look larger by pushing it down. :S I like my corsets to cover my entire torso, without using tabs, etc. I think it looks lovely on many people (the shorter ones). Just not me. As for the tulle, I wasn't using it just for the shape, but the actual look. I wear one of my skirts pinned up on the corner (kind of like I've seen ladies with the chemise straps), and to make it go from faire to masquerade ball, I figured having an underthing sticking out that was lovely would work well. I found a pic of a woman wearing a skirt with tulle underneath and fell in love, but wasn't sure if it was WAY too out there (though, that was a minor concern). Just not sure how to go about it completely. I put up a note in the sewing area, figuring maybe it would be an ok project to sew. I just am not a fan of the traditional underthings that I'm aware of. So this was multi-fold, to hear about the options (if there were any beyond the ones I knew about - hoops, farthingale, etc.) that may work better, to find out if anyone knew where to find black tulle underthings (I've found lots of white and I know someone linked to that), and to really decide if it's what I wanted.
I've had skirts that were weed magnets, but it wasn't that big of a deal. The thing is, this is for a masquerade ball, so I won't be using it but for that. So I'm just going to do it, I think. Just curious as to where to find one in black, that is long enough. I was hoping someone had a resource for purchasing (the one I had as an image was almost $200 !!! ) And was curious if anyone had seen it in anything historical. I see those photos provided by the lovely Alphena that it is a historic 'look' but perhaps not as historic as my ren faire. Ah well. I don't do H/A anyways since I don't wear the correct corset.
Betty & Alphena reaally really really helped me out. Thank you. And yes, now that I think about it, going to do Elizabethan hat, victorian corset, and civil war era skirt with 50's tulle, lol isn't the worst idea. I really am excited about the pieces that I think reading all the info about H/A stuff had me wondering if maybe I was bucking the system too much. I'm grabbing my favorite pieces of the eras I think;) Thank you Betty for posting in the other area. I think I'm going to attempt to make it. Just cannot freaking find black tulle.
Thank you to everyone. I welcome further ideas, I really really do. This helps me not only with this project but with future projects. I think I freaked out a bit reading so much H/A emphasis that I for a moment thought I was doing something wrong. :(
So a few things:
Tulle is a 20th Century thing.
The look you are going for is probably goth/steampunk -not Renaissance at all.
A hoop skirt WILL give you the shape but you just want the tulle for looks -which is fine but we need this info up front.
I'm a bit confused on the money thing still. You said you don't have enough to get your husband a new outfit in another thread -if I'm reading it correctly- but you are trying to buy a new skirt for yourself? Because the skirt you are looking at is at least $150 in the store new. Bespoke, I'd charge $300 because tulle is a pain to put together when you need it for fluffies. (I love it myself for my 1950's dresses but oh my! I hate it when I'm trying to gather it to an inside hem.) It's a lot of money to be spending on a skirt.
Some other ideas for your husband -Jareth from Labyrinth. This could be a fun theme for both you and your husband. Check out some thrift stores in your area from some really neat pieces that you can dye/distress/change up. A long velvet jacket with a "I don't wanna be a pirate" (Seinfeld) shirt shouldn't be too difficult to find for him. You also might find a neat vintage dress or even a wedding dress (anything can be dyed) that you can change up yourself.
I think you have a picture in your head of "I want this but I don't want to be laughed at but I'll do it anyway!" We all get that way sometimes. ;) What you want is a very modern formal. That's fine but it should be called what it is. It seems you might have tried on some incorrect stays in the past as well. You might be like me and just be long torsoed -which means finding a proper pair of stays/pair of bodies is next to impossible.
Basically, before you spend too much, check out the thrift stores with an open mind. See what they have and you might be able to snag a tulle 50's number for way cheaper than $$$.
Betty & Alphena have been kind enough to pretty much resolve this for me. Betty had it pinpointed, I have Elizabethan, edwardian, etc. The tulle is just a small twist on a skirt that otherwise would work with pretty much any time period.
English is not my first language, so sometimes I don't quite get out what I mean. So if there was confusion I'm sorry.
My intention was: I do not like H/A underpinnings for skirts, I have never found anything that made me excited. So while the skirt I have is H/A, the underpinnings are not. That doesn't bother me. The picture inspired me and I finally found something I think I could live with. I was a bit nervous walking in with such a pouf beneath my skirts. But I'd be that way with a hoop too.
This is a masquerade ball (formal) at a Ren faire, so I'm not about to go buy a wedding gown from Goodwill, for instance. I have 90% of my garb ready, and it is ren wear, not goth/steampunk. Someone mentioned it is not ren at all. That isn't true, just one element of it was a bit different.
As for the money thing, the reason why I asked about this skirt is because I didn't want to shell out so much for a skirt. Normally when people come here they get all sorts of suggestions on what they are looking for. Betty and af ew others really did answer that for me. I wasn't looking for anything else.
My husband's outfit (in reference to the comment about how someone was confused how I could be 'wanting' to spend money on myself and not him) isn't quite accurate. We are very conscientious about money, as most are right now, and my husband's outfit we've been spending money on the last few years. We aren't going to totally change his. There is no need. I'm not sure where that came from. There were just a few things we are missing that I had wanted some input on.
As for the comment that I'm looking for non-Ren wear completely, that's not true. The only thing non-ren is the tulle. And that is just a substitute for the hoop and other things. It was just finally something that coudl emulate fullness that I liked the look of. I'm not all out for H/A, but I am not going for a gothic look of today. There is a way to pullf rom different times and not be modern. I've no inkling to buy all new things, I have some, just was looking for some input on this one piece. I really don't want to go to goodwill and find a whole new outfit.
Anyways, I'm grateful for everyone' help. My intention has been fulfilled. I have no idea about some things, fabrics, etc. and wanted an idea from the knowledgeable masses as to what it takes to make something like this (maybe to explain the price), ideas for where to find an alternative that is still similar, and some other feedback to try to stay in budget.
So thank you everyone who got me in the right direction!
Thanks for the shout out. :) Glad I could help. I still struggle with a lot of sewing issues myself and for what little I have really nailed down I'm quite happy to share.
I learned some new info on this thread too, thanks to all the posters!
Please please please post pictures of your finished outfit. I would love to see the concept image realized. I struggled with posting my own pictures on the forum boards, but have finally figured it out. I have a photobucket account dedicated just to that purpose, so PM me if you need help posting the photo.
I have a hoop skirt (farthingale) and also a bridal crinoline slip that I bought at Goodwill for $6 or $7. It was for under a bridal dress. I wear either one for faire, depending on what I'm wearing and what kind of shape I want to have.
The hoop makes things go out and stay out round. The crinoline gives a little fullness, but it moves and swishes when you walk, so it is not 1 continuous bell shape like the hoop skirt.
Nobody has ever said anything to me as to what is under my skirt. No one sees it, and it's none of their business!
When I read your original post, this seemed to me to be the question you were asking. If I got it wrong, then I apologize. By the way, the skirt is very pretty, and I like it a lot, but it's rather pricey at $175.
In the discripton the seller says that the skirt needs a hoop under it to give it the full effect, but there are ways around it with out having to drop the bundle that they want.
For the skirt I have heard nothing but good from Damsel in this Dress she will be willing to work with you to make it fuller there probably will be a bit of a price hike.
If you want to sew it yourself I use a simplicity pattern for a ren skirt and I add two or four extra panels to make a fuller skirt. I did a Belle costume this summer and I went for that look
http://www.pbase.com/delaneyalysa/image/136134384
I had a crinolin under it to start the day but it got too hot to wear so the skirt doesnt have the poof that it did with it in this photo. But I double layered it and hand sewed pickups in the skirt ( its still a work in progress)
Quote from: Adriana Rose on August 23, 2011, 09:37:54 PM
In the discripton the seller says that the skirt needs a hoop under it to give it the full effect, but there are ways around it with out having to drop the bundle that they want.
For the skirt I have heard nothing but good from Damsel in this Dress she will be willing to work with you to make it fuller there probably will be a bit of a price hike.
If you want to sew it yourself I use a simplicity pattern for a ren skirt and I add two or four extra panels to make a fuller skirt. I did a Belle costume this summer and I went for that look
http://www.pbase.com/delaneyalysa/image/136134384
I had a crinolin under it to start the day but it got too hot to wear so the skirt doesnt have the poof that it did with it in this photo. But I double layered it and hand sewed pickups in the skirt ( its still a work in progress)
99% of my garb is from Damsel, she's amazing. I talked to her about the stuff under and she doesn't do it. The skirt itself is really nice and full, depending how big one's waist is. It goes UP to 100 inches, which, of course I won't go near. But I wasn't sure if I was going to do the tulle if I needed to ask for even MORE. That's totally ok, I'll just have her make one long enough for me and worry about the tulle another time unless I stumble upon it. I've been looking for a cheap alternative, on etsy, ebay, etc. but everyone has one in white. I'll get it one day. And I'll take a look at your pattern, so thank you!!!!! I've wanted to make a more 'cotton' skirt for my peasant/wench garb so that'll really really help. Thank you!
Lady Renee, you hit the nail RIGHT on the head. I want a bridal crinoline and I don't know where to find a black one. So far, they are all white. You got it right! Yes, that skirt IS pricey, I have the overskirt from someone else (well, similar), and liked the look, just...well, couldn't bring myself to buy it at that price, hence this thread. I've really gotten a good idea of what I have to do now, just have to be patient and find it!!!
And Betty, I PROMISE I will post from the masquerade ball. I promise promise. I just bought an edwardian lace neck thing...lol, my powers of description are great. But it'll look pretty nifty with my mask being lace too. Thank you again!!!
Lavagoddess,
I wear my crinoline under all my skirts when I want a less pouffy look. It doesn't matter if it's white, you can't see it through the fabric.
Am I incorrect in thinking the crinoline will be underneath the skirt? If so, the white wouldn't matter unless the material is sheer.
Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on August 24, 2011, 09:09:22 PM
Lavagoddess,
I wear my crinoline under all my skirts when I want a less pouffy look. It doesn't matter if it's white, you can't see it through the fabric.
Am I incorrect in thinking the crinoline will be underneath the skirt? If so, the white wouldn't matter unless the material is sheer.
Hi!
You are right. most of the time you woudln't see it. I was going to for the masquerade ball gather a bit if I could find a black one and show it a bit. Unconventional, I know. But I can't find it in black for reasonable, so I may just forgo that little extra. I'll just use a white one and not pin up. It really was just for this one time (the pining up on one side).
You know, a few people said that I would be considered wearing modern wear, and that I was headed twoards goth by doing tulle. The last few posts I'm understanding that people use what they want, and that I should just do what I want ;)
:D Thanks!!!!
Quote from: LAVAGODDESSSS on August 24, 2011, 09:28:49 PM
You know, a few people said that I would be considered wearing modern wear, and that I was headed twoards goth by doing tulle. The last few posts I'm understanding that people use what they want, and that I should just do what I want ;)
:D Thanks!!!!
Yes you can use what you want if you aren't trying to be historical. If you are trying to be historical, tulle is way out -which is one of the reasons so many of us have tried to explain to go with a hoop skirt instead. The hoop skirt if great for a variety of periods and is much easier to keep clean that tulle is.
I know you keep saying "historical" but well, to quote the Princess Bride "I don't think it means what you think it means". From the pictures and descriptions you have posted, you have a modern "Victorian" corset, a generic long skirt, a steampunk hat; everything that suggest fantasy wear -which is fine- but it needs to be called that. By using the incorrect terms, I know I'm not the only one confused on exactly what you are looking for and it's also why you keep getting the information you don't want.
http://recollections.biz/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=R&Product_Code=2032CBK&Category_Code=MourningAccessories
Recollections has a black crinoline. I have one of their crinolines and two of their victorian gowns. All are nice quality and washable. The customer service is good.
Gina
Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on August 23, 2011, 09:27:01 PM
I have a hoop skirt (farthingale) and also a bridal crinoline slip that I bought at Goodwill for $6 or $7. It was for under a bridal dress. I wear either one for faire, depending on what I'm wearing and what kind of shape I want to have.
The hoop makes things go out and stay out round. The crinoline gives a little fullness, but it moves and swishes when you walk, so it is not 1 continuous bell shape like the hoop skirt.
Nobody has ever said anything to me as to what is under my skirt. No one sees it, and it's none of their business!
When I read your original post, this seemed to me to be the question you were asking. If I got it wrong, then I apologize. By the way, the skirt is very pretty, and I like it a lot, but it's rather pricey at $175.
I agree with this, $175 is a bit expensive considering tulle/netting is a fairly cheap material. On the other hand, it is a pain to work with in terms of regular sewing machines, so...
If you want to attempt making one yourself, it really isn't too hard. I've made several for stage costumes I've made, and though it demands lots and lots of netting, the biggest job is to fold it, gather it, and stitch it down. Make a cotton fundament, so the sewing machine handle it. I wrote a sort of tutorial some months ago:
http://aneafiles.webs.com/nettingskirt.html
I really thnk everyone is just trying to help. It's hard sometime to offer advice when one isn't exactly sure what would ne best.
No, tulle is in no way period appropriate, and yes your hat is not really period appropriate either. Or perhaps accurate is a better word.,Is that a BlondeSwan? I have one and love it!! I believe some of the ladies of the Court at MIRF also wear one. That's where I bought mine. So you are in good company and if that's what makes your heart sing then I say wear it. :)
I saw a visitor to my home faire wear a lovely full layered tulle skirt along with her pirate garb and it looked fabulous. She probably did gather lot's of twigs along the way, but also lot's of complements and she looked to be having fun in her swishy skirt. No not for everyday, but special occassions give you the chance to pull out all the stops. I hope you can find one in your price range. My tboughts are that to get the fullness you want you may have to spend a pretty penny for lot's of layers. Browse through Etsy. There are a few custom makers there.
Edit. Just saw Anea's post above. Is this skirt you purchased tulle or is it taffeta? Can't tell on my tiny phone. I thought perhaps it was tafetta and you were looking for an underskirt of tulle.
I have read of people dying tulle,...just throwing this out there..... but that would be a mess and you might not get the dark black you want. Make one or buy one I think.
You can buy a white crinoline and dye it using fabric dye. There are quite a few bridal blogs about it. It may not get to completely jet black but even a darker grey might be lovely.
http://thatbride.blogspot.com/2008/04/adventures-in-crinoline-dyeing.html (http://thatbride.blogspot.com/2008/04/adventures-in-crinoline-dyeing.html)
I'd done a search for dying to black. It may not be as easy as a color.From what I've read, you need to buy a particular dye for the kind of tulle you have. You need high heat and a big pot you won't use for cooking. I'd have half the kitchen black before I was done. ;D. Of couse I' ve not done this before. Just what I've read. It would be an inexpensive alternative. Especially if you start with a pettycoat from a second hand store as Renee did.
I agree grey might be lovely too.:)
You might also check consignment shops. There are bridal and formal resale shops around. Might find a black one there. Never know...
Quote from: arbcoind on August 25, 2011, 08:06:20 AM
http://recollections.biz/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=R&Product_Code=2032CBK&Category_Code=MourningAccessories
Recollections has a black crinoline. I have one of their crinolines and two of their victorian gowns. All are nice quality and washable. The customer service is good.
Gina
Gina, Thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for! It's one of the things I was hoping for, someone's personal recommendation. I love online shopping, but sometimes it's hard to trust one's money that way. Thank you for taking the time!!! I'll let you know if I find something that I can use!
Quote from: Anna Iram on August 25, 2011, 12:21:49 PM
I'd done a search for dying to black. It may not be as easy as a color.From what I've read, you need to buy a particular dye for the kind of tulle you have. You need high heat and a big pot you won't use for cooking. I'd have half the kitchen black before I was done. ;D. Of couse I' ve not done this before. Just what I've read. It would be an inexpensive alternative. Especially if you start with a pettycoat from a second hand store as Renee did.
I agree grey might be lovely too.:)
You might also check consignment shops. There are bridal and formal resale shops around. Might find a black one there. Never know...
Anna,
I cannot thank you enough, this is the sort of thing I was aiming for. I realized early on that I cannot afford to buy the skirt that was the inspiration, just out of my budget, so this sort of thing helps me as I'm overcoming obstacles, such as obtaining black tulle. I found tons of white tulle, as you and so many other lovely ladies suggested (easy for people like me who don't sew to forget that repurposing is really almost like magic!), at a consignment shop and at my local goodwill. I haven't purchased either of them yet, because I didn't know how to dye it. Now that you and Alpehena were so kind as to give me some direction, I can add it to a list of possible things! I was pretty scared to dye something like this. I tried to dye a pair of jeans once and I had blue hands for two weeks. BUT, at least with your info and Alphena's link (thank you Alphena) I'm well aware of the pitfalls. lol.
Quote from: Anna Iram on August 25, 2011, 09:35:58 AM
I really thnk everyone is just trying to help. It's hard sometime to offer advice when one isn't exactly sure what would ne best.
And so far, most of everyone has helped. Immensely. I came into this knowing I don't like hoops and so far not finding anything to fluff my skirts that I've liked. I didn't know if I was missing out on some other secret either, beyond hoops, bum rolls, etc.
I found that image of the woman in the green/black skirt and tulle peeking out and fell in love. But I had no idea about Tulle, in any way. The complexities of using it, if there was a reason for it being so expensive in that listing (I found it on Etsy, by the way), and also just wondering if anyone knows if Tulle was used historically. It was for a bit of fun, and I really was enjoying reading most of these posts. So thank you!
Quote from: Anna Iram on August 25, 2011, 09:35:58 AM
I have read of people dying tulle,...just throwing this out there..... but that would be a mess and you might not get the dark black you want. Make one or buy one I think.
So far, that sounds about the best idea. Still looking for it though. I scoured Etsy and Amazon and found only a few options, but they too were expensive ($90+ Yikes!). But I really do think that I'm going to have to forgo the dying until I read more about it through the link Alphena gave. And that isnt' a project I can take on before this year's ball. So maybe for the future. Or I have to think of something more creative so that I don't do an entire skirt. Perhaps I can use one of my old skirts that are too short, use some of the sewing references a few gave here and just do the lower layers? I'd get the poof at the bottom (where I need it most) and I'd get the effect.
This has really given me ideas. Exactly what I knew you wonderful ladies would do for me. I'd curtsy, but I'm awful at it!
Quote from: Anna Iram on August 25, 2011, 09:35:58 AM
No, tulle is in no way period appropriate, and yes your hat is not really period appropriate either. Or perhaps accurate is a better word.,Is that a BlondeSwan? I have one and love it!! I believe some of the ladies of the Court at MIRF also wear one. That's where I bought mine. So you are in good company and if that's what makes your heart sing then I say wear it. :)
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I saw a visitor to my home faire wear a lovely full layered tulle skirt along with her pirate garb and it looked fabulous. She probably did gather lot's of twigs along the way, but also lot's of complements and she looked to be having fun in her swishy skirt. No not for everyday, but special occassions give you the chance to pull out all the stops. I hope you can find one in your price range.
Exactly. Exactly. You get it! And thank you to the other ladies that have let me know they too have enjoyed tulle! None of us are totally historically accurate (I think that was a nice convo somewhere else!). And while the ball for me is going to be a bit less so than my normal, it didn't bother me. As you said, special occasion. And I didn't think my outfit not being totally h/a was a big deal until just recently reading another post. I really just wanted to wear the things that made me happy! While celebrating the essence of the Ren Faire.
I really just came to figure out a way to make my 'dream' come true on this front. You all have helped me get closer to what I wanted. So a heartfelt thank you.
Quote from: Anna Iram on August 25, 2011, 09:35:58 AM
Edit. Just saw Anea's post above. Is this skirt you purchased tulle or is it taffeta? Can't tell on my tiny phone. I thought perhaps it was tafetta and you were looking for an underskirt of tulle.
You are correct. It is taffetta and I am looking for an underskirt of tulle! :)
Isabella, I was struggling whether or not to respond to this. But I was having such a lovely time until I read this. Please don't take this as disrespect, but this is the second post like this that made me go "What on earth?"
Quote from: isabelladangelo on August 25, 2011, 06:00:34 AM
Yes you can use what you want if you aren't trying to be historical. If you are trying to be historical, tulle is way out -which is one of the reasons so many of us have tried to explain to go with a hoop skirt instead.
I've said it multiple times, I understand that the tulle as an underskirt is not h/a. I have not seen these many who have needed to remind me over and over again about this fact or the hoop. I was greatly appreciative of those who helped me understand all my options, and the downfalls of tulle.
Quote from: isabelladangelo on August 25, 2011, 06:00:34 AM
I know you keep saying "historical" but well, to quote the Princess Bride "I don't think it means what you think it means". From the pictures and descriptions you have posted, you have a modern "Victorian" corset, a generic long skirt, a steampunk hat; everything that suggest fantasy wear -which is fine- but it needs to be called that. By using the incorrect terms, I know I'm not the only one confused on exactly what you are looking for and it's also why you keep getting the information you don't want.
You know... I was really enjoying this place. Everyone else gave me exactly what I came here for, and I was having such a lovely time of it. Until this. No one else seemed to be confused, and I haven't been using incorrect terms. But thank you for trying to correct me.
I don't appreciate being told that I don't "truly" understand what I'm saying. That is condescending. And I'm not sure where you came up with the fact that I kept calling things historical. I came here for some advice on tulle, and somehow you've taken that as an opportunity to "school" me in how historically inaccurate I am. I'm appalled by the fact you insist that I must be told that I "need" to call things by the names you've given them. To do so otherwise, would be... I don't know...horrific.
I was having SUCH an amazing time reading people's responses. I made it very clear that I understood my tulle was not H/A, I came here for a bit of knowledge and so many gave it to me, without making me feel less for asking or talking about it. For people not getting what I was asking for, they gave me exactly what I needed: guidance on alternatives, a guide on what to try if I cannot afford the skirt, a half dozen other things to try to get the 'look' I'm going for, and most of all, some support and camaraderie.
I do not have a generic long skirt, nor do I have a "modern" victorian corset (you've never seen a picture of it, so there can be no judgement on the period), nor is my hat steam punk. If they were, I'd still be a bit ... beside myself in the way this was handled. Who cares if they are? I never ran around this thread going "I'm going to wear my h/a hat, and my h/a skirt, and my h/a..." I didn't know that was a big deal nor did I know I emphasized it. I don't GET why this got brought up. I'm wearing styles that span a variety of periods. There were many who celebrated it. I didn't know it was such a big deal!
As someone so wisely put it, they may not be "historically accurate" but they are close enough for me and close enough for many in the cast in the faires I've gone to. My items span many periods (let me be clear I am not referring to the tulle) but they have not lost all their accuracy. I've spent a great deal of care on choosing my items, and while this thread is focused on an element that I knew wasn't typical, I wanted to give it a shot and came here for some help.
My items have been bought them from vendors who take a historical period and make something lovely. They have not been taken so far that my garb is now 'fantasy.' Even if it was, it wouldn't bother me. What bothers me is ... there was like this insistence that I be corrected for being so entirely wrong.
I'd like to think I know a bit of what I'm saying, that not everything I've said need be refuted, I never said I was a historical scholar. But I also never said that my outfit was H/A. Any by the way, while I still understand tulle as an underthing is not H/A, tulle was invented in the 1700's by the French and worn by Queen Victoria in 1840. There is even history to suggest the Greeks used something very similar.
I thought the point of ren faire was to take history and celebrate it. There were so many here that seemed to celebrate with me, and got what I was doing.
I'm moving on, and going to thank you all again. I mean it.
My sincere and heartfelt thank you to those who helped me so very much in this and the other threads, you've made it a lot easier to make my big weekend so much more special. I truly was enjoying myself so very much. I wish you could have seen the excitement. As corny as that sounds. While this is not my usual style, I hope you'll forgive me for having said something. I meant no harm, just beside myself.
I intend on taking all that you've taught me to go celebrate my anniversary and enjoy the formal masquerade ball. I hope to see you all around, perhaps I'll return. I hope so.
Quote from: LAVAGODDESSSS on August 25, 2011, 09:42:08 PM
Isabella, I was struggling whether or not to respond to this. But I was having such a lovely time until I read this. Please don't take this as disrespect, but this is the second post like this that made me go "What on earth?"
I've said it multiple times, I understand that the tulle as an underskirt is not h/a. I have not seen these many who have needed to remind me over and over again about this fact or the hoop. I was greatly appreciative of those who helped me understand all my options, and the downfalls of tulle.
You know... I was really enjoying this place. Everyone else gave me exactly what I came here for, and I was having such a lovely time of it. Until this. No one else seemed to be confused, and I haven't been using incorrect terms. But thank you for trying to correct me.
I don't appreciate being told that I don't "truly" understand what I'm saying. That is condescending. And I'm not sure where you came up with the fact that I kept calling things historical. I came here for some advice on tulle, and somehow you've taken that as an opportunity to "school" me in how historically inaccurate I am. I'm appalled by the fact you insist that I must be told that I "need" to call things by the names you've given them. To do so otherwise, would be... I don't know...horrific.
I was having SUCH an amazing time reading people's responses. I made it very clear that I understood my tulle was not H/A, I came here for a bit of knowledge and so many gave it to me, without making me feel less for asking or talking about it. For people not getting what I was asking for, they gave me exactly what I needed: guidance on alternatives, a guide on what to try if I cannot afford the skirt, a half dozen other things to try to get the 'look' I'm going for, and most of all, some support and camaraderie.
I do not have a generic long skirt, nor do I have a "modern" victorian corset (you've never seen a picture of it, so there can be no judgement on the period), nor is my hat steam punk. If they were, I'd still be a bit ... beside myself in the way this was handled. Who cares if they are? I never ran around this thread going "I'm going to wear my h/a hat, and my h/a skirt, and my h/a..." I didn't know that was a big deal nor did I know I emphasized it. I don't GET why this got brought up. I'm wearing styles that span a variety of periods. There were many who celebrated it. I didn't know it was such a big deal!
As someone so wisely put it, they may not be "historically accurate" but they are close enough for me and close enough for many in the cast in the faires I've gone to. My items span many periods (let me be clear I am not referring to the tulle) but they have not lost all their accuracy. I've spent a great deal of care on choosing my items, and while this thread is focused on an element that I knew wasn't typical, I wanted to give it a shot and came here for some help.
My items have been bought them from vendors who take a historical period and make something lovely. They have not been taken so far that my garb is now 'fantasy.' Even if it was, it wouldn't bother me. What bothers me is ... there was like this insistence that I be corrected for being so entirely wrong.
Since you brought this into a public forum:
First, you said in this very thread:
"So, I said in a prev. post that we are prepping for a formal masquerade ball. Then I also said that I don't DO H/A, but I thought about it. While my stuff isn't H/A, I don't want to just completely disregard any semblance of ... well you get it."
Okay, fine. Based on your first post -no where in which is tulle mentioned- you ask what to use underneath your skirts to make them bigger. A perfectly fine question. In fact, you sort of answer it yourself with the follow up of:
"But I haven't seen anyone with under'things' like this at the faire (or I didn't pay attention, that happens too). Was it ever worn? Or did they just use hoops, etc.?"
Again, all taken from your first post to this thread. Then, in a reply you state:
"THis is formal, so I'm not going for H/A, but I don't want to stick out too bad like a sore thumb."
Okay, so no sticking out like a sore thumb....
You talk about a long Victorian/Edwardian corset in this very thread "I like my corsets to cover my entire torso, without using tabs, et". Are you now saying this is not what would your wear?
Another contradiction is where you say "As for the tulle, I wasn't using it just for the shape, but the actual look." in this very thread. Yet you also say "I may have an overskirt that I think may work with the under 'stuff' But is there anything I should tell her while she's making that skirt for me (it's in the works whether I make the outerskirt for this or not) to accomodate the extra stuff (I believe it is tulle) under? "
And then in this thread you state "I just am not a fan of the traditional underthings that I'm aware of. So this was multi-fold, to hear about the options (if there were any beyond the ones I knew about - hoops, farthingale, etc.) that may work better, to find out if anyone knew where to find black tulle underthings (I've found lots of white and I know someone linked to that), and to really decide if it's what I wanted."
So after asking us about hoops you don't really want hoops? I pointed out you should have mentioned that to being with. If you look at your first post, again, you'll notice no such thing is mentioned. You also mention the tulle again... First you say you want the shape of the skirt, and then you don't want the tulle for the shape of the skirt -just as an accent- and then you want the tulle to fluff the skirt. See the confusion?
I could point out many more but I hope that may be enough. I'm only trying to point out you've been highly inconsistent in what you've asked for.
I didn't seem to have any problems understanding that what was actually asked for was a little help and advice trying to figure out how to get the particular look that was desired, no matter what form, material or era it may have been from...
Lavagoddess... I know your Masquerade garb will be lovely, and you will shine in it, because you're making the effort to find exactly what you envision! Please do post photos once you have them! I look forward to seeing all of your lovely sounding pieces put together!
Lavagoddessss: Thank you for posting in paragraphs, much easier to read. I'm glad I was helpful to you and yes, please do post pics of this wonderful creation. I'd love to have something similiar.
Gina
Yes! Please do come back and post pictures for us and have a wonderful time. :)
Quote from: arbcoind on August 26, 2011, 08:10:29 AM
Lavagoddessss: Thank you for posting in paragraphs, much easier to read. I'm glad I was helpful to you and yes, please do post pics of this wonderful creation. I'd love to have something similiar.
Gina
Gina, I'm so sorry about the paragraphs. I didn't realize until I got to my computer that posting via my phone? Means it removes a lot of my paragraphs, smushes things together. Heh. I can realize how that'd be a pain to read. So now I'll just use my computer, that little keyboard was driving me bonkers anyways.
I've been collecting things for a while, and it feels good to finally have something that won't be half finished. I know it's never done, (or it feels like it) but I feel comfortable without having to make an excuse as to why I have something odd on (like combat boots, lol).
When it's all done, I hope to have pics of other people too, hoping that most people there will be finished with theirs and share what they did. I'll make a thread.
I'm going to go search out your threads, I see a lot of people have posted their garb at one point! it's where I get my ideas. I think about it, five years ago, I was embarassed to show up garbed (my own issue, no one elses). Now I think of it as my events of the year. I thinkI"m a little girl at heart loving dress up.
Quote from: Rani Zemirah on August 26, 2011, 03:24:50 AM
I didn't seem to have any problems understanding that what was actually asked for was a little help and advise trying to figure out how to get the particular look that was desired, no matter what form, material or era it may have been from...
Lavagoddess... I know your Masquerade garb will be lovely, and you will shine in it, because you're making the effort to find exactly what you envision! Please do post photos once you have them! I look forward to seeing all of your lovely sounding pieces put together!
My many thanks. You understood, my first post was very generic. I had this idea and I wanted to know anything I could about any of it, tulle or not. I got all that info, responded, then decided it didn't matter to me (I thought it should after reading some things) that I would have one item that perhaps would be 'too much.' But I was reassured, let it known some use it, and got over that ... fear. That and I was hoping I could understand why that skirt was so much! (Though I was tempted to just say "NOODLES IN A CUP FOR MONTHS!" Alas, my brain overtook my love of fashion. And you all showed me that I CAN get to what I'm looking for, but informed me of the level of work it may take. I like educated decisions. So I'll move forward with it, and see if I can find something before then. I may get lucky.
As I said, I've gotten so many amazing things from people in this thread (thank you too Anna) and from a surprising email from a random stranger. I shouldn't let things get to me, guess I was so invested in this I really took it personally. Too bad it isn't time yet for a glass of lovely wine.
And I will get pictures. After all the effort (and getting my husband to actually try on ruffles, heh.) this is a huge event for us.
FIve courses and I'm not sure my corset will work...lol! Thank goodness it's front lacing! Thank you m'dear. I'll be sure to post my mishmash of eras in a few weeks. Our event is the 23rd, but some of it will get a test drive over the long holiday weekend.
I truly am honored to have so much support in my search for pretty things ;)
Lets all place nicely together ladies. We all need to keep in mind that some people focus on historical accuracy and others do not, prefering just the feel of faire instead. There is nothing wrong with either direction. We need to be accepting and helpful to each other, even if we don't agree with their direction. I will not put up with condescension in this forum. We all come from different backgrounds, varied amounts of experience, and varied interests. It's always good advice to read over your post before submitting to be sure its the best way to say it.
So I have gone to ALL the thrift stores here, the salvation army and Goodwill.
They wanted 100.00 for the only crinoline slip. Ugh.
So maybe I'm curious,I found a white one on ebay, if I don't dye it...anyone know anything about spray painting it?
Beyond the smell, is there a fabric spray paint? or ...
I dunno if it'd fill in the lil holes or what. Or if this is a bad idea.
Lavagoddessss, try this, please...
Ebay, black crinoline (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=black+crinoline&_sacat=125473&_odkw=crinoline&_osacat=125473&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313)... $35-50 for a full length black crinoline underskirt.
It doesn't have the layers of tulle, but it would be very easy to attach them in the areas that would show when you pin up one side of the skirt, and it's the right length and color.
Rani, you are fantastic!
I haven't ever spraypainted crinoline, but I have done some spray painting ... It could work ... and after drying you will not have an issue with odor. You would probably get through 1 wearing. I agree that if you spray too heavy it will probably fill in the holes. They do make fabric paint in a pump spray, but that is more for painting on fabric, not dying. You'd also need a LOT of spray paint to cover an entire skirt. I'm thinking Ritz dye, (or whatever brand the craft store sells) is probably a much better idea.