Hi all,
I respect every opinion on this forum and wanted to get your input.
After reading (and posting) on the TRF Facebook page about the noise level/lasers with certain "campers", I'm kicking around the idea of drafting and circulating a petition at camp to be presented to the TRF office requesting they ban any sound equipment run off generators and any laser lights being used in camp along with a sound ordinance to be enforced after a certain time of night.
So please respond with your thoughts.
That seems to be the consensus. I say go for it.
That's what family camping is for. Quiet area away from the main campground. Unless things have changed since last year, Family is far enough away you shouldn't really hear much from the other side.
Marga
it's changed. People in houses two to three miles away who have nothing to do with faire are complaining about the noise.
I am loud and I like to party. This is so far outside the realm of what's even normal for the regular camping area that it's in a category all its own. If you are a FB member, go to TRF's page and under "Info" there's a thread about it with, so far, 82 responses from not only patrons, but participants complaining that it's even keeping them up in their camping area. That's a first.
I camped once just to say I did it. Now I can say never again. The craziness goes all-freakin-night-long.
They wont do anything about it considering there is no sound cut off in the main camping area. As for the lasers and other stuff go for it.
Lady Laura, I am not an FB user but I am all for your petition. Unfortunately, I won't be back into the campground until Closing weekend. Please run with it. Elimination of all amplified music would be lovely, but a curfew for anything other than acoustic is just as tolerable. We want to keep our acoustic instruments playing, even all night is fine with me.
there are a few websites that allow you to write a petition and have people sign it all online. That might be a good idea for those of us not camping until later in the season.
Quote from: captmarga on October 20, 2011, 02:59:18 PM
That's what family camping is for. Quiet area away from the main campground.
Yeah. RIGHT! When's the last time you camped within 200-300 yards of trains, screaming by at full horn blasting run throughout the night? Every time they roar through, the noise that is left behind is the sound of crying and whimpering children stirring in their tents. Parents tune this out, the rest of us hear them and take note.
Quiet family camping is by no means quiet, it's main benefit is that it's isolated enough to not be appealing to scum and thieves. Nice that people have to resort to this just to get away from the rabble.
Stalk well...
I do have to admit that the multiple flippant responses of "Don't like it, go to quiet camping" are rather irritating. The problem isn't with the families and folks who can party in moderation and relative civility, so why should they be punished and sent off to BFE because they are upset with the actions of a bunch of asshats, the majority of which aren't even attending the faire? Please come up with a more constructive suggestion that actually addresses the problem rather than blowing people off.
Couldn't agree more Breandan.
There are dozens, if not hundreds of participants that would sign this petition as well if you put it in front of them somehow.
I'm not sure it is necessary though, Terre Albert has been earning more of my faith lately and I hope (actually I think) now that the extent of the problem is out in the open and he sees the effect on and level of anger in both patrons and participants, something is going to change for the better in this regard.
I'm not saying don't keep the pressure up, TRF has always been slow to respond to campground issues if they respond at all. I'm not saying don't do the petition, there is strength in numbers and showing the number of people affected and angry may just give Mr. Albert the ammo he needs to ram changes through George (if ramming must be done). I imagine showing George the numbers, including lost revenue from angry long time campers, surly, sleep deprived participants, potential exposure to a huge liability suit and more ill will from the local non-rennie community may make it an easier battle.
I just kind of feel like we might have someone on our side in this fight now.
Very well stated Singed. The one thing that stays in the back of my mind is that by forcing the issue, he might see it as more trouble than it's worth and close camping altogether.
As I mentioned in the other thread, Terra emailed me and said they are handling it. Crossing my fingers and hoping AHE will be back to just normal craziness :)
Lady Laura, I agree pushing too hard could anger management and cause issues, but Terre doesn't seem the type who will overreact or pull something drastic in the face of reasonable and and well reasoned requests from parts of the community.
Emails or a respectfully submitted petition are vastly different from ranting phone calls and showing up at the festival office with torches and pitchforks (not to mention swords, axes, war hammers, maces, flails, morning stars, halberds, daggers, bill hooks, quarter staffs, horseman's picks and god only knows what else folks have in their tents).
I think there is a honest desire to make things better, at the very least in the hope of making them even more profitable, on the part of some in TRF management right now. We may not always agree with their idea of better, but there is certainly common ground to be found. We can't find the common ground unless both sides look for it.
Quote from: Stalkwell on October 20, 2011, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: captmarga on October 20, 2011, 02:59:18 PM
That's what family camping is for. Quiet area away from the main campground.
Yeah. RIGHT! When's the last time you camped within 200-300 yards of trains, screaming by at full horn blasting run throughout the night? Every time they roar through, the noise that is left behind is the sound of crying and whimpering children stirring in their tents. Parents tune this out, the rest of us hear them and take note.
Quiet family camping is by no means quiet, it's main benefit is that it's isolated enough to not be appealing to scum and thieves. Nice that people have to resort to this just to get away from the rabble.
Stalk well...
I live next to a major highway, in a neighborhood where cop cars are common. I suppose I learn to deal with the noise.
Family camping means the CAMPING noise levels go down at a certain time.
Bottom line is that if there is enough complaining, enough trouble, enough times, the campgrounds could be shut down, or the price go sky high. Now, personally, I doubt they will get shut down if there is income from camping. Keep in mind it costs money for insurance to allow people to camp, as well as to hire security. If the damages outweigh the income, the faire would probably consider that.
Some faires do not allow camping for this very reason. I doubt there will ever be a motel within a few miles (ie 5-10) of TRF since it is so far off the beaten path. It would not be able to sustain during non-faire times. So the choices are camp and deal with people who don't respect other's playthings and playtime, or drive to a motel. I've done my share of camping, and I have outgrown it entirely. I will take the drive back to a motel. Late-night/allnighters just no longer appeal to me.
I hope a solution can be found. As for the train - well, not much can be done about that.
Marga
Quote from: captmarga on October 24, 2011, 05:11:43 PM
So the choices are camp and deal with people who don't respect other's playthings and playtime, or drive to a motel.
Let me clarify the situation for you, since you seem to not be comprehending what has happened...
People on this forum have been
ASSAULTED to the point of hospitalization
People on this forum have been
RAPED, and others- namely myself and one other here who I shall not name unless he chooses to okay it- have
barely prevented other rapes
People related to those on this forum have been
DRUGGEDPeople related to those on this forum have been
STABBEDPeople on this forum- and a whole bunch of innocent bystanders- have nearly been
BLOWN UPThis goes way beyond disrespecting belongings.