So I watched both shows last night, they were fun. It is ironic though that I probably saw more jousting there then any time I've been to any faire. What I was really watching for is to see who would sneak into the show in the background at Sherwood. It should come to no surprise that I can confirm only one person without a shadow of doubt. What I mean to say is who that person is shouldn't be a surprise
Queen Bonnie
Quote from: JackGonzo, MD on November 16, 2011, 10:47:41 AM
So I watched both shows last night, they were fun. It is ironic though that I probably saw more jousting there then any time I've been to any faire. What I was really watching for is to see who would sneak into the show in the background at Sherwood. It should come to no surprise that I can confirm only one person without a shadow of doubt. What I mean to say is who that person is shouldn't be a surprise
Queen Bonnie
Hmmm... must be a Maid of Mayhem ;)
Don't have Nat Geo so can't watch. Hate reality shows anyway. As far as reality shows go, how would you rate it. By that I mean, does it do the Ren community justice.
NO! It does NOT do us ANY justice whatsoever. He's going to ruin EVERYONE'S reputation with this stupid show.
Disclaimer: This is my OWN opinion...disagree if you like.
It was too much on the standard reality TV show premise - a bit overplayed. The jousting was good, just not enough.
Haven't seen it, but saw feedback from a few knights I know on FB last night and with one exception they all pretty much hated it.
Charlie, leader of the Knights comes off as a meathead. He does not appear to have any interest in the renaissance aspect of what he's doing. He is much more into the thought of making jousting a nationally recognized sport. To be honest, the atitude portrayed by him is "I'm gonna make this sport famous, and we won't need these pissant faires anymore." To be fair, I know there's a lot of editing that goes on, but if someone I considered a friend/employer treated me the way he treats those folks, I'd be gone.
I'll be interested to see if he grows on me, but I think publicizing the "drama" behind the curtains could be a mistake. Most Danes only every see the "show" and that's what makes faires popular. However, I will say that while I love the joust "shows" at TRF, this jousting is vastly more interesting and I admire the courage it must take to compete.
If that's all they're going to focus on, 'Danes and Rennies alike might be better served with a show about a squire's progression @ Medieval Times.
The teaser clips I saw for it look like they're expecting sponsorship from Monster Energy and BenGay..
Just saw the commercials, but now I gotta see this.
Quote from: Rowen MacD on November 16, 2011, 03:04:40 PM
Just saw the commercials, but now I gotta see this.
It's like a train wreck....you HAVE to watch it....you can't help it
Quote from: Mead Swilling Lech on November 16, 2011, 01:42:46 PM
Charlie, leader of the Knights comes off as a meathead. He does not appear to have any interest in the renaissance aspect of what he's doing. He is much more into the thought of making jousting a nationally recognized sport. To be honest, the atitude portrayed by him is "I'm gonna make this sport famous, and we won't need these pissant faires anymore."
For whatever reason, that aspect doesn't bother me all that much. One of the people described it as trying to grow out of "the Renaissance Faire box", which I sort of understand, and is more about dissatisfaction with how the sport is perceived by virtue of being associated with ren faires (ie, the FreeCreditReport.com commercial). What bothered me about the show was the constant macho posturing. If I ever hear the term "alpha wolf" again in my life, it'll be too soon.
alpha wolf
alpha wolf
alpha wolf
;)
he he he. I couldn't resist. For some reason watching this on TV doesn't sound attrative to me at all.
Quote from: will paisley on November 16, 2011, 03:09:00 PM
If I ever hear the term "alpha wolf" again in my life, it'll be too soon.
Charlie is a familiar type- a fraudulent bullcrap artist who lies about his background and puffs up like a little bully on a playground to compensate for his own insecurities. I can name half a dozen people out at faire (well, except for Harold who got banned) who are just like that. He's a wannabe and a punk, a man who is completely disassociated with concepts of honour and chivalry. He claims to be a knight? Robber-knight I say, a modern incarnation of the bully-in-armour. I don't want his attitude soiling Sherwood's or jousting's reputations
I tried watching this last night and I was bored to sleep. Wont bother any more with it.
yeah, I DVRed the pilot because it featured Sherwood and some of our folks, but after that I nixed the show from my recording schedule. Waste of time.
yea Medieval Fight Book was a much better show but I do wish they would stop saying hunting bow are the same as war bows. 80 pounds pull is a hunting bow a war bow minimum is 100 pounds and the average was 120.
Quote from: squiregaby on November 16, 2011, 11:39:20 AM
NO! It does NOT do us ANY justice whatsoever. He's going to ruin EVERYONE'S reputation with this stupid show.
Disclaimer: This is my OWN opinion...disagree if you like.
You are right on dear lady. Charlie is not a true knight and does knighthood and jousting an injustice. Full contact or not.
I thought one ironic part was how upset Charlie was that in the past Patrick taught him a lesson by supposedly using a solid lance instead of one that would break (Episode 1). Then Charlie (Episode 2) is tired and in a bad mood so he tells his squire to suit up so he can do the same thing to him that Patrick reportedly did to Charlie.
His total disregard for the ren community was very disheartening. The scene where Brian tells him he doesn't trust him (Charlie) so Charlie gets in a shoving match. Was that supposed to show he was tough or something?
It is sad that this show is showcasing Sherwood and even sadder that they are filming at TRF on Celtic Christmas weekend. Does that mean the Knights of Mayhem are coming to TRF that weekend? Is the normal joust troupe off that weekend?
I know some of these guys from KOM and many, many others from different troupes, and Charlie thinks the world revolves around him and has, in the past, talked a lot of stuff about himself that wasn't true even on national TV. Like he was a Navy Seal and stuff like that. Gives true knighthood and our military a bad name. Here is the link from Inside Edition where he was found out and what happened to the reported when he was asked.
http://www.insideedition.com/news/6339/are-imposters-posing-as-navy-seals-inside-edition-investigates.aspx
Not saying he isn't good at what he does because he can joust, but he also has been taken down. Patrick is just the opposite and needs to be hailed as what a knight should be. I still like full contact because that is the way it was. And, there are some others that do full contact as well like Shane Adams. The show as a whole is not bad as long as you can look past the "Charlie Drama". He isn't the first person to want to make jousting a regular sanctioned sport. That has been going on for some years. So it isn't his brainchild. Just my 2 cents...
Clisto, I respect your opinion on many things. But I believe that this Charlie person's antics are going to reflect badly on two faires that I love.
I also hope that whatever the fair is in Utah where the Inside Edition incident happened takes steps to protect them selves.
I have passed my opinion on to a few people at Scarby about the volatility of this situation.
I will admit that I enjoyed watching their joust at Sherwood. But all I could do was shake my head when I watched the preview clip on the Nat Geo site. I hate reality tv to begin with. First, it is all staged and there is nothing real about it. Second, up to this point, reality tv has managed to stay away from things I actually enjoy. I have a terrible feeling that these guys, though their original intent may have been well founded, will bring a very bad light to Faires and the Ren community.
That's my thoughts (o:
I recorded the first two episodes and caught them both last night. Note this is my opinion only. No better than anyone else's.
They seem to be trying to make a new UFC/WWF genre. And if I want to watch that then I will watch that, minus horses of course. But I don't watch that either. I have long described WWF as a Man's soap opera. Seems we have a new Man's Renaissance soap opera. I did note that they were not showing any of Charlie's spiel during shows at all. But if they are presenting it in the same style, then I will not be following this at all.
I agree 100% about the bully comments. I've been there as a kid and sadly as an adult also. I don't know why the term didn't occur to me earlier. Yeah I thought the shoving match was what middle school girls do; not grown men. I think Sherwood, TRF and Scarby need to evaluate how KOM affects them and how it reflects upon them.
Quote from: dreamwalker on November 17, 2011, 01:47:18 PM
I agree 100% about the bully comments. I've been there as a kid and sadly as an adult also. I don't know why the term didn't occur to me earlier. Yeah I thought the shoving match was what middle school girls do; not grown men. I think Sherwood, TRF and Scarby need to evaluate how KOM affects them and how it reflects upon them.
As far as I am aware....Scarby has not had dealings with them
I enjoyed the show simply for the entertainment, it's just a show so I take it at it's worth. I'm not too worried about it reflecting badly on the Renn Community, one man doesn't have enough juice to to bring us all down, even with his steroids, lol. I do like Sir Patrick, he seems to have some sense to him
We should start a "We support The Black Knight" thing lol...
Alrighty....as I thought....Scarby has not had any dealings with them! So never fear! It will be ALL Noble Cause this season!! :D
Quote from: DonaCatalina on November 17, 2011, 11:29:02 AM
Clisto, I respect your opinion on many things. But I believe that this Charlie person's antics are going to reflect badly on two faires that I love.
I also hope that whatever the fair is in Utah where the Inside Edition incident happened takes steps to protect them selves.
I have passed my opinion on to a few people at Scarby about the volatility of this situation.
Thank you Dona and believe me, I am right with you on this and not against you. I just happen to like Full Contact jousting, not the one guy in it here that can actually make it bad instead of good. I don't want to see anyone's faire suffer any indignity from this guy. And you would think if he acted better he may just get sponsorship from people. He just shoots himself in the foot.
Quote from: squiregaby on November 17, 2011, 06:42:28 PM
Alrighty....as I thought....Scarby has not had any dealings with them! So never fear! It will be ALL Noble Cause this season!! :D
Noble Cause & Paragon Joust troupes ROCK for theatrical. They are a great bunch of people who like to interact with the crowds and have fun. Noble Cause has done the new Door County Ren faire in WI. for the last two years. And Paragon is at several others I attend and I know them all real well too. HUZZAH!!!
Lord Clisto
The Black Knight is a doll...sweet fairly down to earth and a nice person...he got to be friends with a horse pal of mine and I got to know him at SFF.... Charlie is a thug...if you look in his eyes there is nothing but hate and that is not a good thing...add lying cheating bastard and you have a not nice person...Sadly he wants all the front man glory!!!! I say we all back Patrick and his Black Knight persona!!!!!
I watch the first 15 minutes of the first episode and turned it OFF. Then Charlie started that stupid trash talk about Patric AFTER he said that what was in the past was going to stay there. He proved to me a Liar. and I can't stand a Liar.
Isn't is a strange twist the the supposed Black knight will end up being the good guy out of all of this, and Charlies has just made himself the target for every LANCE out there. Unless he puts super-glue in that saddle, he's not that great a rider and everyone is going to want to unhorse him or worse. Maybe someone should tell him to get those knee on those withers and get the weight off of the stirrups. The knights road in modified three point/two point position like a jockey but with no reign control. Ever here of Dressage? That's what it was for.
Ok, I'm off my soap box. I wanted to see this troupe when I was at TRF next week, now I'll pass, thanks.
Watch them but ignore the blustering jerk...The other guys are all pretty nice and fun people... Patrick and the younger guy(my bad his name slipped my mind) are truly nice people and Pat is a good rider.... Dressage in it's purest form was a war dance with horses. Teaching them to kick and rear and battle was useful. Knights had to ride MOSTLY with seat and leg as your hands are kind full with lance and shield. I teach my horses to go off leg and seat but they also rein well!!!! Need to set up the roundpen and break Red!!!UGHH! So behind!
Look forward to seeing them again I love watching the full contact jousting...truly fun to watch...and they SELDOM came off...
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Quote from: C Dragonworks on November 17, 2011, 07:24:34 PM
The Black Knight is a doll...sweet fairly down to earth and a nice person...he got to be friends with a horse pal of mine and I got to know him at SFF.... Charlie is a thug...if you look in his eyes there is nothing but hate and that is not a good thing...add lying cheating bastard and you have a not nice person...Sadly he wants all the front man glory!!!! I say we all back Patrick and his Black Knight persona!!!!!
Huzzah! I 2nd!
*starts prepping for the Black Knight Fan Club* :D
Quote from: Breandan on November 18, 2011, 12:50:53 AM
*starts prepping for the Black Knight Fan Club* :D
I am in for that. Imagine Charlie having apoplexy over a crowd filled with Black Knight shirts and Banners..... ;D
But of course you realize you are playing right into the hands of one of their marketing ploys.... ;)
I watched the opening show, and like most on here don't think much of Charlie. But........the idea of full contact jousting becoming another "extreme sport" is pretty cool. I just hope as the show goes along it's focus is the Knights and the Jousting and NOT this weeks version of the "Charlie being a jerk" show. I'm planning on attending TRF on Saturday of the T-Giving weekend. I'll be cheering for the Black Knight, the Green Knight, the Red Knight, etc......... Anyone except the Jerk Knight.
I will fully support a "Back the Black Knight" campaign. That guy is awesome!!!
I was thinking about ways to show support for Patrick Lambke aka the Black Knight.
From what I can tell, his signature look is the black armor with the red target area on his left shoulder/pectoral area.
If you have the garb, a simple black top with a piece of red fabric pinned on the shoulder would match his colors while still being reasonably period.
If you were feeling crafty, a red shield-shaped bit of canvas would make a decent favor.
I have yet to catch the show so can't give my opinion on it.
But i do have a question. There is an irish scottish festival in estes park that has jousting and it's part of a circuit and from what i remember for the heavy armor its a pretty big prize, i would say close to 6 figures, are these guys part of that group or not.
As for being at your faire i would either assume that part of the contract for this troup to come in is that they can film cause the producers of the show would have to get permission from the owners of the faire to film.