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Title: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Coch on November 29, 2011, 10:01:03 PM
This is my first embroidery attempt. It is of the charge I would like to have on my new surcoat. Question being, Is it proper to have embroidry on a surcoat? Now that i have started it I don't know if it would look out of place. My kit is appox. mid 14th century.
(http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/wolfnyghteyes/aa2.jpg)(http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/wolfnyghteyes/102_5517.jpg)(http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/wolfnyghteyes/102_5512.jpg)(http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/wolfnyghteyes/102_5344.jpg)
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Magpie Flynn on November 29, 2011, 10:33:29 PM
I don't know if it's proper or not, just wanted to say WOW, for a first embroidery attempt that looks amazing!
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Lady Kathleen of Olmsted on November 30, 2011, 01:27:45 AM
WOW indeed!

I think this is the first time I have seen a Rooster head on a Grifin Body. Interestink!
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: DonaCatalina on November 30, 2011, 05:17:05 AM
I think its supposed to be a cockatrice , maybe. But heraldic emblems were common on surcoats. Embroidery or applique were the most common forms of decorating.
So yes, it would be appropriate.
And may I say WOW on the work also.
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Rowan MacD on November 30, 2011, 08:29:45 AM
  Wow indeed!  Will you be using couching to fill the larger areas? 
 
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Lady Isabella on November 30, 2011, 08:55:12 AM
Very nice!!!
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Coch on November 30, 2011, 09:10:42 PM
Thanks for the all the kind comments ladies,

@DonaCatalina and  Lady Kathleen, yes it is a cockatrice. My real name is Cox, a later form of cocke. The cocke being my name sake, I wanted something a little more fiercer than a "rooster" and something uncommon, unlike the standard wolf, dragon or eagle. Also a good conversation starter.

@Rowen MacD, First i had to look up the term couching, lol. No, at this point my plan is to leave the larger areas void of fill. Just the black lining. I had the thought that all that thread would be a eyesore.  I want to finish the outlining, attach a backing and apply it to my surcoat.
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Lady Kathleen of Olmsted on November 30, 2011, 11:20:35 PM

Coch!

I stand corrected. Very impressive embroidery work just the same. Huzzah!
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: isabelladangelo on December 01, 2011, 05:01:57 AM
My one concern is that it's "modern" looking in design.  It looks a lot like the royal air force symbol and not like it's 14th century ancestor. 
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/3_Squadron_RAF.jpg)

http://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/TRACERY-MULLIONS-OF-A-BASILISK-AND-A-COC/D2BACDAABFF3A094 (http://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/TRACERY-MULLIONS-OF-A-BASILISK-AND-A-COC/D2BACDAABFF3A094)

(http://www.historylines.net/img/notre_dame/cockatrice.jpg)

The actual embroidery is lovely but if you are concerned with it looking out of place, the modern versus historical styles might be a concern.
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: DonaCatalina on December 01, 2011, 05:24:48 AM
There are varied depictions of the mythical beast.
Some were more rooster looking than others.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/DragonTransom.jpg/240px-DragonTransom.jpg)
(http://dulwichgalleryfriends.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/dulwich-college-mms-exhibition-cockatrice1.jpg)
(http://www.medievalart.org.uk/Poitiers/Stalls/jpeg_800/Poitiers%20Stalls%20-%20Spandrel%2036.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CxhVqqIgr7U/TMZv5lEtJVI/AAAAAAAABkA/49TM8n9rrgI/s1600/basilisk-or-cockatrice-2.jpg)
(http://www.briantimms.net/topics/Dragon/vouivre_bnf.jpg)
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Lady Isabella on December 01, 2011, 09:18:46 AM
Coch, modern? no, it looks very differnet and unique. From the pictures DonaCatalina posted
it also looks very historical. And your version looks tough, even a little mean. LOL
I say do it.   ;D
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Coch on February 19, 2012, 11:06:59 PM
I Finished my charge. It took awhile because I was working on it very little at a time. But I am pleased with the results.
(http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/wolfnyghteyes/DSCN6226.jpg) (http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/wolfnyghteyes/DSCN6227.jpg)
(http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/wolfnyghteyes/DSCN6233.jpg)
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Archer on February 20, 2012, 12:20:55 AM
It looks excellent Coch.  It was good to see you and ye lady at this past Saturday's workshop at the Castle.  Pax Vobiscum 8) 8)
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: amy on February 20, 2012, 09:31:35 AM
That is absolutely fantastic.    I think it looks great and I love the red placement on the half and half, black/white background.  That is so striking!  I admire your design and your stitch work looks terrific.   Congratulations on finishing such a great project.  Well done!
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Auryn on February 20, 2012, 09:52:40 AM
That is awsome
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: PollyPoPo on February 20, 2012, 01:01:24 PM
Archer, love the current avatar (saw the series long time back).

Going to a faire set in that period? :D

Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Sitara on February 20, 2012, 01:47:21 PM
Excellent work! Mayhap some day in the future I will acquire the patience required for embroidery. 
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Archer on February 20, 2012, 04:19:04 PM
Quote from: PollyPoPo on February 20, 2012, 01:01:24 PM
Archer, love the current avatar (saw the series long time back).

Going to a faire set in that period? :D



No, its about the now.   ;D  Twas a good series. 

Coch, ready to take on some more of this type of project or was one adequate experience ?   ;D   Really does look good and looking forward to seeing you in action with it on opening weekend.   ;)
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Coch on February 20, 2012, 05:36:38 PM
Thanks everyone for the comments.

@ Archer, It was a pleasure to meet you too. I really enjoyed doing the charge. I changed off between this and doing chainmaile and one other small project. But as far as the embroidery experience,  I really enjoyed it. As far as me in action, it might be comical. I have never done a character and I can be socially challenged. LOL.
We bought our Pirates feast and Masque ball tickets today. I have a couple of questions for you concerning this. Do most people bring their own feast ware?
Et cum spiritu tuo
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Archer on February 20, 2012, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Coch on February 20, 2012, 05:36:38 PM
Thanks everyone for the comments.

@ Archer, It was a pleasure to meet you too. I really enjoyed doing the charge. I changed off between this and doing chainmaile and one other small project. But as far as the embroidery experience,  I really enjoyed it. As far as me in action, it might be comical. I have never done a character and I can be socially challenged. LOL.
We bought our Pirates feast and Masque ball tickets today. I have a couple of questions for you concerning this. Do most people bring their own feast ware?
Et cum spiritu tuo

We'll figure out something on the characters to do as a team,  if you wish.  I'm often asked, where is my horse ?   I usually tell them I lost it in a joust to the Blue Knight.   ;D We could discuss ideas by PM when ready.

Actually, at the feaste, most eat with their fingers and do not bring utensils but, it sounds like a good idea as I've found the green beans and soup bowl a bit difficult by hand,  with wenches at the table.  ;D   Last year, the danes across the table were probably thinking . . . veni, vidi, volo in domum redire.  Maybe it was the green bean juice in the beard ?  Anyway, they had a show and a  half as we had Cpt. Spleen at the table and that presents a fun show, standing alone.  :D

non scholae sed vitae discimus
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: Lady Kathleen of Olmsted on February 21, 2012, 11:35:40 PM


The embroidery on the Surcoat turned out fantastic!!!

Well done!!!
Title: Re: embroidery on surcoat
Post by: DonaCatalina on February 22, 2012, 04:56:37 AM
It looks wonderful!
Congratulations on the finished product.
pretium magis quam margaritas