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Title: Men's "musketeer" collar
Post by: Maithu Ruadh on July 09, 2012, 04:40:35 PM
(http://maskworld.scene7.com/is/image/maskworld/103507-musketierkragen-musketeer-collar?$bigview$)

Does anyone know somewhere where these are available to buy? I can only find one on this European site. http://www.maskworld.com/english/products/costume-accessories/--/accessories--330/musketeer-collar--103507

These types of collars were pretty common during the 30 Years War and English Civil War -- surely someone must make them!
Title: Re: Men's "musketeer" collar
Post by: isabelladangelo on July 09, 2012, 06:10:39 PM
To help with your search, they are called a falling ruff or falling bands.  Everything will most likely be overseas simply because the English Civil War market is in England still - most of the market in the US is either 16th C or 18th C. 

Since it looks like nothing more than a strip of fabric with eyelet lace pleated to a thin bit of white bias tape, you can probably make one yourself for way under $5.  An even easier style that they did actually wear is basically a square with a hole in the middle for the neck.  Add a bit of fabric around the neck to tuck it into the shirt collar. 

Probably not the most helpful but, if you absolutely will not sew, I'm sure there are a few people here that won't mind charging you to make one.   ;)

Title: Re: Men's "musketeer" collar
Post by: groomporter on July 09, 2012, 07:35:58 PM
There's a few English Civil War groups on the east coast you could try checking through The English Civil War Society of America http://www.ecwsa.org/
Title: Re: Men's "musketeer" collar
Post by: DonaCatalina on July 10, 2012, 04:50:02 AM
Here in the US they are mostly marketed as Cavalier Collars

http://www.renaissancetailor.com/store/products_collars.php

http://www.twinrosesdesigns.com/1601%20to%201848%20Cavalier%20Revolutionary%20War%20and%20Regency%20Clothing%20Portfolio.html

http://www.osfcostumerentals.org/stock/Cavalier/Men's%20Wear/Cavalier%20Collars/slides/09005655%20Collar%20Cavalier%20white%20cotton,%20N21.html

http://www.costumesbydusty.com/TimeLine/Cavalier.html

http://www.quetascloset.com/costume-accessories/six-cavalier-collar
Title: Re: Men's "musketeer" collar
Post by: Rowan MacD on July 10, 2012, 03:09:57 PM
 I've found passable linen and lace collars at Brass Armadillo.  For some reason the crafters here like to make these.  Worth a look.   Not antiques, just crafty items.
Title: Re: Men's "musketeer" collar
Post by: Maithu Ruadh on July 10, 2012, 03:26:53 PM
Thanks for the information! I was guessing that they had a proper name, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out what it was. Those links look great too ... exactly what I'm looking for. My only sewing skills are rudimentary and only by hand, unfortunately!
Title: Re: Men's "musketeer" collar
Post by: Lady Kathleen of Olmsted on July 12, 2012, 01:25:26 PM
I make my own Cavalier Colllars using the formula from The Renaissance Tailor. Here is an example of one I did earlier this year for an Early 17th Century ensemble.

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/309719_10150378739041280_1734907851_n.jpg)
A Cavalier Collar from Renaissance Tailor showing darts to get the curved effect.

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/552206_10150739575021280_2118204248_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/562944_10150739575546280_1009323683_n.jpg)

All Inused was a 45" wide piece of Eyelet Cotton, space the darts every 1 1/2" by 1 1/2"
to whatever length I needed to make the dart. The rest is what you see.