Happened to come across this and thought I would share. This was for last year but interesting. If I can find out when they are planning for this year I will not be camping.
http://plancast.com/p/7ap3/official-renaissance-festival-dance-dance-field-rave-bedlam
Didn't the cops shut this down real fast last year?
This has already been posted here on the forums. If you look at the dates on the posts from that site you'll see they go way back.
I also hope to avoid any raves this year. We have several past threads on the forums here concerning the camp grounds. Just page back a page or two. You probably don't have to go far (o:
Guess I must have missed those posts so far. Trying to read everything, there is so much information on here. But I have been sick yesterday and today so what better to do than lay in bed and surf the web.
There is so much info here on this site, it will keep you busy for awhile.
Hope you get better soon (o:
There is a very nice area that the Ravers can use anytime they desire to camp. They are paying customers and as such, will be treated the same as any other camper.
It is located in the new campgrounds area and a local Sheriff has his house just on the other side of the tree line. He has ZERO tolerance for drug using, head-banging idiots.
Took alot of new photos today to add to the PDF interactive map. Showed clan leaders of The Claw and Brigadoon the area.
More info on a separate message thread.
Quote from: mpullen on August 11, 2012, 05:56:31 PM
There is a very nice area that the Ravers can use anytime they desire to camp. They are paying customers and as such, will be treated the same as any other camper.
It is located in the new campgrounds area and a local Sheriff has his house just on the other side of the tree line. He has ZERO tolerance for drug using, head-banging idiots.
Took alot of new photos today to add to the PDF interactive map. Showed clan leaders of The Claw and Brigadoon the area.
More info on a separate message thread.
oh wow that is great lol
I just never liked the overloud music, now maybe if it was faire music I could stand it better. Funny thing is I was a raver, never at faire, ( and I am a dj by trade lol) but I like the music and love the scene. For me faire is about fair, raves are all year long. Enjoy the drums and bellydancers, go to a club to rave.
Quote from: gaerdon on August 10, 2012, 10:32:02 PM
Didn't the cops shut this down real fast last year?
Uh, no. They didn't. It was far worse on Friday night than it was on Saturday night... But no. On Friday night, the music was audible from INSIDE a house, in a residential area that is 1.4 miles from the back end of the campground, until between 3 and 4 am. And as the music being played was club music and dubstep, the bass was inescapable. Nothing at all was done about it, because they were "paying customers" like everybody else. To be fair, after the high number of complaints, I'm given to understand that starting the FOLLOWING weekend, the security made SOME attempt to minimize loudly amplified music into the wee hours... but at that point, it was kind of moot. The big advertized rave event had already come and gone.
I'm sorry, but that "they paid, too" argument is and was a bunch of crap. Allowing one group of customers to behave themselves in such a way that it negatively impacts the experiences of the rest of the customers, in a quite significant way, is NOT ok. And this didn't only affect the rest of the campers; it kept up a significant number of TRF participants and performers who were camped INSIDE the grounds, as well as disturbing the peace and quiet that residents of the surrounding areas are entitled to in their own homes (people who did NOT make the choice to subject themselves to this by choosing to attend/work at TRF).
My concern is this...
QuoteThere is a very nice area that the Ravers can use anytime they desire to camp. They are paying customers and as such, will be treated the same as any other camper.
What does this MEAN??? Does this mean that they will be allowed to CAMP, like all the other campers? Or does it mean that they will be able to pay admission into a campground for the purposes of throwing another rave that destroys the camping experience for countless others, and disturbs the peace for miles around?
If there are no plans to curb or restrict the use of loudly amplified music, then it doesn't matter what part of the campground you put them in. If that music was loud enough to keep people awake INSIDE HOMES over a mile away, there isn't ANYWHERE in the campground you can put them where that maddening bass will not be utterly inescapable. And there is also the fact that moving them in ANY direction to get them farther away from other campers and/or the participants inside the grounds will, in fact, be moving them closer to local residents, won't it? Simply MOVING them, while allowing the kind of behavior we dealt with last year, really doesn't address the problem at all, and is more lip service than anything else.
My hope is that the campground management has taken all of this into consideration, and is prepared to establish and enforce guidelines that will maximize a positive experience for EVERYONE. Please? Can someone please reassure us that this is the case?
Quote from: Morrigan on August 12, 2012, 02:18:51 AM
Quote from: gaerdon on August 10, 2012, 10:32:02 PM
My concern is this... QuoteThere is a very nice area that the Ravers can use anytime they desire to camp. They are paying customers and as such, will be treated the same as any other camper.
What does this MEAN??? Does this mean that they will be allowed to CAMP, like all the other campers? Or does it mean that they will be able to pay admission into a campground for the purposes of throwing another rave that destroys the camping experience for countless others, and disturbs the peace for miles around?
I think it was meant to be sarcasm. As he noted, there is a sheriff living on the other side of the tree line.
Also, if I remember correctly, there was an even larger rave scheduled after that one. That is when TRF finally heard the rest of our cries and put a stop to any of the extra loud amplified music. The rest of the season just got better with the added security and such.
I agree - Sarcasm.
I also don't think that after that event, the regulars are going to let that happen twice.
Important Note: Not Promoting Vigilantism
Quote from: KiltedPrivateer on August 12, 2012, 06:16:21 AM
I agree - Sarcasm.
I also don't think that after that event, the regulars are going to let that happen twice.
Important Note: Not Promoting Vigilantism
heh. Sorry, the sarcasm was lost on me, I fear. It's a bit of a tender topic, and I'm afraid my sense of humor took pass. :-\
That's good to hear.
Hmm must have just missed it last year. Was so cold without a fire spent most of the night huddled around a propane heater. I've never Rly had a problem with them but generally me and my wife and the few friends we bring camp pretty close to the bigger clans seems to keep the worst of it away. When we used to come n on Saturday morning and had to camp way n the back. . . Well there is a reason we head down early Friday now
Thanks Glaodian and KP. Yes, my sarcasm tends to be very subtle. Sometimes I'll post a response using a 12th century reference and in German.
Remember, since I am now a member of the TRF management team, I have to take the "team" view on events. I am slowly introducing subtle changes that should make everyone happy, thanks to the support of Terre Albert, the TRF General Manager, who is very open to suggestions (some he takes, some he rejects, such is life [i.e., he's the boss]).
Quote from: Autumn Blaize on August 10, 2012, 08:00:08 PM
Happened to come across this and thought I would share. This was for last year but interesting. If I can find out when they are planning for this year I will not be camping.
http://plancast.com/p/7ap3/official-renaissance-festival-dance-dance-field-rave-bedlam
It'll probably happen again. I was heavily involved in that flame-war and wish I had taken a better tone, but I just couldn't understand how these ravers could be so inconsiderate - and offer up such idiotic arguments. Please note that this page was discovered AFTER some ravers had already showed up the previous weekend and made everyone else miserable. They were apparently a different group, but when I and my friends saw this, well, they pretty much went ballistic immediately, and I can't blame them.
There HAS to be some way to get this nonsense stopped, but in 2011 - as in 2010 and before - campground security does nothing whatsoever about noise, no matter the level and no matter the time (before the ravers, everyone quieted down by 2AM, which is fine in my book!), unless you're in the "quiet family camping area."
In related news, last year is when I, and my wife and friends, began camping in the "quiet family camping area..."
Just to weigh in on the "raver plight", we weren't camping the night of the raver party could be heard all the way to Plantersville, but on our next two camping weekends the TRF security team made some dramatic changes that really had a huge impact. They beefed up the 4-wheeler patrols, clamped down on making sure everyone using a camping pass had a ticket to faire, and were driving through the campgrounds nonstop. I didn't hear any loud, let me rephrase, outrageously loud music after that. I hope that the powers that be will have the same level of security presence out there each weekend this year because I truly believe it helped.
I'm not weighing in per say, but I was camped right across the road from that strobbing hell....Turns out that it will takes three beers, half a bottle of stout loki, and a mug or two of mead to sleep through that din....Some people call for their heads, I call for a refill!
So it looks like they will be out opening weekend and plan for more raves after that. This link was posted on the Ren Friends page of FB:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/events/516936174988799/
That's right foks, the EDM/Raver scene is gonna invate the Texas RenFest first weekend (and more weekends after)! Errbody c'mon out! We're gonna party like no other.
Friday Day - Monday Day. Inside faire, and outside in the campgrounds. Yes, we are camping out. Join us!
More info: http://www.texrenfest.com/ - For typical tickets you can purchase those at your local Randalls. For Season passes and large groups you must contact the Festival via their website or the phone.
IF you want to help sponsor with goodies, tents, food, and what not hit up Real Gohan or Marcfromthedark on FB with what you want to help with and we will coordinate...
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Peace
Love
Unity
Respect
Responsibility
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Office is mulling it over how to proceed and others have contacted them advising them to follow the rules and they in kind have said they will this year due to the mishap last year...we'll see.
I have found, in my studies of human nature, that if you set a few of them on fire and then hit them in the head with an axe, the rest won't cause many problems...
*I'm only semi kidding*
:D
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on August 21, 2012, 05:38:44 PM
I have found, in my studies of human nature, that if you set a few of them on fire and then hit them in the head with an axe, the rest won't cause many problems...
*I'm only semi kidding*
LOL We are no longer camping first weekend. That was decided before I saw this but glad we decided on a day trip. I am attending with my mom and daughter who have never camped and they are the reason I wanted to camp, to show them the fun. If I would have had to deal with this I would never get them back to faire let alone camping....I am thinking our new home faire is going to end up changing to Sherwood because TRF is getting too big and camping is getting too far away from what it was when we started. Most of our friends also attend there so we would only miss a few acts, and if nothing else I will drive the 6 - 8 hour round trip to day trip once a year and save my money.
:D
So I just checked out that link and they are saying they are getting in Thursday to set up, making it sound like they are being partnered with TRF. I hope if they are then they are under some kinda of noise control and security.
If this is the truth I am about to get really flippin' irritated >:( This was posted on the page by one of the guys coordinating this event:
Joe Kunai
shhhhhhh.. tell your friends.... this will be every weekend... shhh
Like · · Follow Post · 18 hours ago near Houston, TX
*Please don't see this post as me defending them*
Bonnie, the post about them coming in was responded to and they, I hope, know that they won't be able to get in. If you scroll through the post you'll see that they are trying hard to not let the tings happen this year like they did last year.
On the other side of the coin if you look at Koolagh's post in TRF you'll see that they are going to change rules before faire starts about amplified music. ;D
Oh, and Terre joined the event as well so I feel it's in safe hands now.
I know you aren't defending them :) but if they can manage and control a heard of cats as large as expected then I want to take a management course from them lol!
I have been reading all of the posts on the page and while I see some good intentions, it is going to be very hard for 5-6 people to truly manage what they pledge, I give them kudos for trying though.
Yep, I saw Terre on the attendance list which is a boon.
Rules on amplified music? I am a little on the fence about this. I'd hate to see the 'there oughta be a law' train come in and slowly start taking away all our fun.
Well the admins of that page deleted the discussion thread that was going on where they were being asked to figure out ways to muffle the sound, etc. Guess it would have looked like too much of a downer for the invitees lol. Don't get me wrong, I am all about folks having a good time but I don't get the whole rave/faire combo. Maybe I'm just gettin' old... gonna go cry in the corner now....
Copied form their event page....-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Marcfromthedark Drescher
All patrons attending are asked to please respect the Texas Renaissance Festival Rules and Regulations for attending as well as camping. This is your sole responsibility. --- Zivilyn of CHAOS ---
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Terre Albert and 4 others like this..
Marc Marcfromthedark Drescher Oh, and don't let anyone tell you what to do. Have a fuckin' great time. EVERYONE IS WELCOMED.
5 hours ago · Edited · Like.
Byron O'Quinn ?...Except if they are from management ;)
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Azhure Moonchild or the Sherrif's Department.
5 hours ago · Like · 7.
Marc Marcfromthedark Drescher heheh
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Sounds to me like some are already planning on breaking the rules.. i feel this is going to end up just as badly as last year.. I sure hope I am wrong though
I hope management steps up and does something to keep this in line unlike last year.
I don't mind people having a good time... I don't even mind loud music, to an extent (prefer pipes & drums) ... and if they show respect to people around them, that's well & good. If people, as a group go and act stupid, they deserve to get hosed down with pepper spray. If they want to act like humans, great... act like heathens, meet the Grimes County Sheriffs. ;)
*and their pepper spray*
*Imagines the outcome of replacing the electronica with / Tartanic / Rogues / Wicked Tinkers *
I wonder where they will be located. I hope Mike does as he mentioned and locates the ravers across from the Law Enforcement office. Maybe that will cause them to show a little restraint and not disturb people for miles around. Guess I had better find my ear plugs for opening weekend.
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on August 21, 2012, 07:55:19 PM
Well the admins of that page deleted the discussion thread that was going on where they were being asked to figure out ways to muffle the sound, etc. Guess it would have looked like too much of a downer for the invitees lol. Don't get me wrong, I am all about folks having a good time but I don't get the whole rave/faire combo. Maybe I'm just gettin' old... gonna go cry in the corner now....
It's simple...there's no combo here per say. It's a large enough area to sustain their needs, it's cheap, and there's copious amounts of booze allowed. It's what we do, just with way more asshattery, a lack of decency and respect for your neighbors, a majority of bad music choices, and 40 billion candlepower strobes....Though I was digging the Legend of Zelda dubstep last year, just not at 4am and 747 take-off decibels...Also, where was the obligatory Zombie Nation 'Kernkraft 400' song? I thought was a raver law.
there is a significant problem with this that I think some folks are overlooking- by letting these people in, they ARE going to try and break the rules, people ARE going to complain (and not just from TRF, either, half of Grimes County raised hell about it last year as the rave could be heard for miles), and campground security is going to have to respond, quite often... which in turn takes them away from being elsewhere and preventing other, worse crimes. Every time a deputy has to go out and shut these chucklenuts up, that is one less deputy keeping an eye out for underage drinking, theft, rape, assault, etc. This is a financial triage thing- they do not bring enough money into TRF to be worth the trouble they WILL cause. George may override people with more common sense than he on this, as I doubt Terre is so blind as to not see the hazards of letting these schmucks be unleashed (especially since Terre doesn't pocket any of the gate/camping money and has less incentive to allow idiots in to make a quick buck), but mark my words- let them in, trouble WILL ensue. Not "might", not "could", it WILL ensue. I know these people, I've tossed enough of them into the back of a squad car and know how anti-authoritarian they are, to the point of borderline sociopathy, and they see rules as things to be broken for fun (or, as they say it, "for the lulz").
Be ye fairly warned
That's when the Tazers and pepper spray come in, Brother Breandan! I'll even bring a supply in case they run out... ;)
;D
Ever zap a raver with 750k volts? :o
*Dance, mofo, dance!* :D
Hmmmm... is that burning raver i smell? ;D
I doubt anyone would notice, the difference between the average raver dancing and being tazed is pretty minimal :D
That being said, I would prefer that management handle this BEFORE it becomes an issue, because as much as a lot of us may talk about taking a chunk out of them, there are plenty of people out in the campgrounds AND surrounding residential areas who WILL act. If being tied to drug-filled noisy raves full of underage kids drinking and getting stoned wasn't bad enough (and yes, this is the current rep TRF's campground has courtesy of the last few years), add assaults and drunken vigilantism to the mix and TRF will wind up getting some SERIOUSLY bad PR for years as a result. If its about the money, fine- let them pay to get in, buy tickets and camping passes, and THEN boot them when they start to get out of hand, no refunds.
WOW CAN I GET AN AMEN?!?!?! I don't mind ravers, in fact I have been there and done that, just not at TRF.I agree that if security is dealing with this it is taking them away from other issues, and since our camp was one of the many that had many things stolen last year, and the year before had a drunk come up and suddenly start hitting one of our guys ( to which by the time security got there had been umm subdued by us) I am tired of it! TRF camping is already getting a bad rap. I work in a small local bar and when people hear I am into faire they always say " wow you camp? I heard that gets crazy. There is no way I would camp out there." It breaks my heart. I always felt like it was not faire without camping. This is the main reason we are not going AHE which will be the first time we have missed in me 4 years, my husband 10!
Let me rephrase that...I don't mind ravers staying in a club that is built for ravers. I am 100% sure there was not strobe lights or loud music in renaissance times ;P
Ravers are wise to stay away from the lower numbered rows. The larger clans police their own areas fairly well...
I have no problem lighting up someone (Zap) and doing a tap dance on their ribs... then duct taping them in a porta loo... and knocking it over. ;D
Something about being covered in feces and dyed blue tends to straighten a person's outlook on life...
*Not that I'm recommending vigilantism * ;)
I can't see the page any longer. I guess they changed it to invite only and since I didn't join it, no updates for me.
Like Lady Laura posted in the other thread, there will be new rules about amplified music. I am wondering if anyone posted about that on the rave page. Can anyone else see that page?
BTW- Y'all crack me up! :D
Glad to see what will be in play. I do have a couple of questions.
When will the rave group on FB be made aware of this?
On the quiet/family camp area. You stated generators will need to be off by a certain time. What about folks that camp there that need power for medical devices and such? Will they have to camp in the general area? If so, I am wondering about the general noise that they will be around that they most likely hoped to be away from, etc..... We don't camp there, so I don't know if there already is a generator noise restriction from previous years.
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on August 22, 2012, 07:56:38 PM
Glad to see what will be in play. I do have a couple of questions.
When will the rave group on FB be made aware of this?
On the quiet/family camp area. You stated generators will need to be off by a certain time. What about folks that camp there that need power for medical devices and such? Will they have to camp in the general area? If so, I am wondering about the general noise that they will be around that they most likely hoped to be away from, etc..... We don't camp there, so I don't know if there already is a generator noise restriction from previous years.
We will work out the medically necessary generator usage with the folks as they express the need. That includes folks camping with young children that need air conditioning at night, folks with sleep apnea monitors, and any other concerns. We have more than enough area in the new campgrounds area to place folks needing to run generators all night. We hope that they will have quiet generators as to not disturb their neighbors
Way to go Mike and the rest of the Faire management. If y'all stick to your guns I foresee a more pleasurable camping experience in the near future. It may even return back to the sociable camping it was back 10, 15 even 20 years ago.
Have not camped at TRF in many years, but maybe, just maybe, in the future.
Unfortunately, rest of family not interested in tenting any more - got used to having their own shower, toilet, a/c, continental breakfast, etc. I'm content for now with the yearly season at Sherwood.
Thanks, Mike, for all your hard work. TRF camping is sure to be enjoyable for more patrons with your experience.
This year will be the first for the wife and I in the campgrounds and between the new changes and the huge community involvement I'm seeing, I want to camp more than ever! Bring on the ravers, I think you all can take 'em.
Just saying...
We're fairly peacable folk... no matter what people may think. ;)
My wife came across a fabric pattern at Joann's the other day, neon colors, very tartan...We've dubbed it Clan McRaver...digression over. Carry on.
Quote from: Mouse on August 24, 2012, 09:47:58 AM
My wife came across a fabric pattern at Joann's the other day, neon colors, very tartan...We've dubbed it Clan McRaver...digression over. Carry on.
(whispering to wife) take Leo's (my son) and my neon tartan kilts and bury them in the back yard!
Ahahahaha! McRaver! Brilliant!
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on August 21, 2012, 04:42:59 PM
It's all about PLURR. Be a Plurrian!
Peace
Love
Unity
Respect
Responsibility
That strikes me as incomprehensibly hypocritical, if this outing is to be anything like those that have plagued the TRF campgrounds.
Peace? How is a cacophony that lasts well past the wee hours of the morning "Peaceful?"
Love? For whom? Certainly not for those upon whom they are inflicting their displays.
Unity? With whom? See "Love?" above.
Respect? ROFLMAO
Responsibility? HUH?
*sigh*
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on August 21, 2012, 04:42:59 PM
So it looks like they will be out opening weekend and plan for more raves after that. This link was posted on the Ren Friends page of FB:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/events/516936174988799/
That link doesn't appear to work.
Quote from: Valeria Skyye aka AngieP on August 21, 2012, 10:32:00 PM
Copied form their event page...
Marc Marcfromthedark Drescher
Azhure Moonchild
I know both of these individuals personally. Their camps are only mathematically quieter than the average raver's...
Quote from: Wakarimasen on August 26, 2012, 03:38:54 AM
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on August 21, 2012, 04:42:59 PM
So it looks like they will be out opening weekend and plan for more raves after that. This link was posted on the Ren Friends page of FB:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/events/516936174988799/
That link doesn't appear to work.
That particular link became inaccessible to most people shortly after it was posted here. I never saw it.
The other link to the SHiNEKREW page has been removed in the last day or so.
Yes the admins of that page made it invite only after all of the negative posting that was going on. I personally feel that TRF will handle this as Mike Pullen posted, so I am not really too concerned any longer. I am ready for a great time at camp with drums, guitars, fellowship and joy!
Also, you can keep up with the campground information on this FB page:
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/TheFieldsOfNewMarketCampground
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on August 26, 2012, 10:28:54 AM
Also, you can keep up with the campground information on this FB page:
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/TheFieldsOfNewMarketCampground
Thank you! I saw a similar link posted elsewhere but could never access it. I see now the recent posts about rules for amplified music. I hope whichever peace officer is manning the gate reminds patrons that there are a new set of rules this year!
I'm a 99.99% sure they will point that out at point of entry to camp considering all the commotion lol.
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on August 29, 2012, 05:46:54 PM
I'm a 99.99% sure they will point that out at point of entry to camp considering all the commotion lol.
Yes, the rules will be passed out (in a prettier format) at the campgrounds gate.
Make that 99.99999999999% sure.
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on August 26, 2012, 10:27:09 AM
Yes the admins of that page made it invite only after all of the negative posting that was going on. I personally feel that TRF will handle this as Mike Pullen posted, so I am not really too concerned any longer. I am ready for a great time at camp with drums, guitars, fellowship and joy!
You left out pipes ma'am ;D While I won't play "the loud ones" late at night I will wonder around w/me smalls that are no louder than an acoustic guitar ;-)
Quote from: replicant on August 31, 2012, 11:37:59 PM
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on August 26, 2012, 10:27:09 AM
Yes the admins of that page made it invite only after all of the negative posting that was going on. I personally feel that TRF will handle this as Mike Pullen posted, so I am not really too concerned any longer. I am ready for a great time at camp with drums, guitars, fellowship and joy!
You left out pipes ma'am ;D While I won't play "the loud ones" late at night I will wonder around w/me smalls that are no louder than an acoustic guitar ;-)
YIKES I can't believe I left pipes out of that list! Forgive me! By all means please come by and play for us! If the campground layout has not changed too much this season we will be in our usual area of Rows 7/8 near the main road. :)