Enjoy.
http://www.glaodian.us/mpullen/2012_TRF_Patrons_Campgrounds.pdf
Multiple thanks to Glaodian for hosting this. Dude, catch me in Faire and I'll buy you a brew or three.
BTW, my travel trailer will be located behind the quickie mart and I'll have my golf utility cart to tour the campgrounds.
If you have a concern with camping or constructive input, please flag me down. Remember that any security concern (theft/drugs/etc) should be reported to the security force that will have a larger presence in the campgrounds.
Looks good. Can't wait till TRF opens.
Map looks awesome!! But....ummmm...I can't see the area that we normally stay in which is the area in row -2
Quote from: LadyJessica on August 15, 2012, 07:34:09 PM
Map looks awesome!! But....ummmm...I can't see the area that we normally stay in which is the area in row -2
I just noticed that as well. The area PR camps in has been cut off the map. Maybe nothing has changed down there this year so there may not be any reason to worry.
It looks awesome Mike. I had to pull out my copy of the map from last year and look at them side by side to get it in my head better, but LadyJessica is right, everything from row 0 and into the negative numbers is not shown, will those areas be available to Patrons, or is there some other plan for that space?
Just no details for the old, established area.
As always, camping is first-come/first-served. Get your campgrounds scouts in line early Thursday for the land rush. If the line (now three across) gets to CR302 and the security force supports, we will open gate Thursday evening. Otherwise, Friday morning is official. Since my travel trailer is right by the campgrounds gate (behind the Quickie Mart), I can pop out and evaluate the situation.
Yeowch. Hatchet, axe, and saw on steroids. So few trees... Quiet family camping used to have lots of trees in it. :(
How much is camping passes and does it differ for price online versus buying on site?
Quote from: Mouse on August 15, 2012, 11:22:20 PM
How much is camping passes and does it differ for price online versus buying on site?
Still $20, surprisingly. See here (http://www.texrenfest.com/trfcamping) for (scant) details.
Quote from: mpullen on August 15, 2012, 08:15:46 PM
Just no details for the old, established area.
As always, camping is first-come/first-served. Get your campgrounds scouts in line early Thursday for the land rush. If the line (now three across) gets to CR302 and the security force supports, we will open gate Thursday evening. Otherwise, Friday morning is official. Since my travel trailer is right by the campgrounds gate (behind the Quickie Mart), I can pop out and evaluate the situation.
I'll be posting up early... look for the big, scary looking, long hair with a bottle in his hand... that would be me. ;) ;D
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on August 16, 2012, 07:36:29 AM
Quote from: mpullen on August 15, 2012, 08:15:46 PM
Just no details for the old, established area.
As always, camping is first-come/first-served. Get your campgrounds scouts in line early Thursday for the land rush. If the line (now three across) gets to CR302 and the security force supports, we will open gate Thursday evening. Otherwise, Friday morning is official. Since my travel trailer is right by the campgrounds gate (behind the Quickie Mart), I can pop out and evaluate the situation.
I'll be posting up early... look for the big, scary looking, long hair with a bottle in his hand... that would be me. ;) ;D
You might even see a Riot on his back begging for Loki if it is Halloween weekend, lol
Heading up Thursday after work for the first time. Anything I need to know?
Opening weekend, that is!
Quote from: LadyJessica on August 15, 2012, 07:34:09 PM
Map looks awesome!! But....ummmm...I can't see the area that we normally stay in which is the area in row -2
Intentional. No reason to show areas where no changes have been made. Changes start on row 1, where the gate is located on the paved road, and beyond.
We will have a walk-thru the Sunday before opening weekend (believe that is Sept. 30) beginning at noon.
I'll probably pick up a dozen pizzas if enough peole say they will be coming out. If I only get a couple of folks stating they are coming out, then you are your own. Gather at the parking area by the Quickie Mart at the campgrounbds entrance.
Great to see what is going on!
Mike, a few of us from Clan McLotofus will be there on 09/30 for the walk through. Is the second Quickie Mart at the drum circle or on one of the camping rows? We traditionally camp rows 8-9, starting from the road and then inland.
Clan P. will have representatives for the walk through as well. Still not sure if I'll be back in town for opening or not )o:
There will be some from Rogue Society, our mother clan, Folghea' Mara , our sister clan and at least me from Slow kids at play making the drive for the walk through. We talked about this the other day and have been waiting for a for sure on the date. Right now I think we have four committed to going. Might get a few more since it is a sunday and we can make a day trip out of it.
Quote from: Wakarimasen on August 15, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
Yeowch. Hatchet, axe, and saw on steroids. So few trees... Quiet family camping used to have lots of trees in it. :(
The planted pine trees grow quite fast. Plus there are the heavily wooded spots to the left and right as you enter the campgrounds.
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on August 17, 2012, 05:33:52 PM
Great to see what is going on!
Mike, a few of us from Clan McLotofus will be there on 09/30 for the walk through. Is the second Quickie Mart at the drum circle or on one of the camping rows? We traditionally camp rows 8-9, starting from the road and then inland.
The mini-quickie mart (the one previously down on the cross-roads around row 24) will be placed on the old overflow parking area, around row 8-10. It's up to Tom to decide the placement, as this will also will be the location for the medical response team and security forces.
Quote from: mpullen on August 17, 2012, 04:10:39 PM
We will have a walk-thru the Sunday before opening weekend (believe that is Sept. 30) beginning at noon.
I'll probably pick up a dozen pizzas if enough peole say they will be coming out. If I only get a couple of folks stating they are coming out, then you are your own. Gather at the parking area by the Quickie Mart at the campgrounbds entrance.
Awesome! I know a few of us from McShuggenah will be out.
Hi Mike,
The site looks fantastic and I can hardly wait till opening (47 days till I hit the campground). I see that row 1 is reserved for handicappped parking. Is this handicapped from the campground? If so, how close to the gates do you think we can get? StudMuffin doesn't have as long of legs as I would like and the one time I rode him from the campground to the gates, he ran out about 12:30. I think it was that uphiill run that shortened his stamina. Luckily I got a push back to camp. So up to now, I have driven as close to the main path as I can and ride SM the rest of the way. As the end of the day, I limp SM back to the car and return to Phoenix Risen's canp site. Do you think I shall be able to continue this for another year or so?
Thanks for your advice...
Quote from: KeeperoftheBar on August 19, 2012, 02:12:37 PM
Hi Mike,
The site looks fantastic and I can hardly wait till opening (47 days till I hit the campground). I see that row 1 is reserved for handicappped parking. Is this handicapped from the campground? If so, how close to the gates do you think we can get? StudMuffin doesn't have as long of legs as I would like and the one time I rode him from the campground to the gates, he ran out about 12:30. I think it was that uphiill run that shortened his stamina. Luckily I got a push back to camp. So up to now, I have driven as close to the main path as I can and ride SM the rest of the way. As the end of the day, I limp SM back to the car and return to Phoenix Risen's canp site. Do you think I shall be able to continue this for another year or so?
Thanks for your advice...
I'm also interested in this as we usually pull up and park close to the gate in handicap also.
I'll be there for the walk-about. Thanks for all you've done for us Mike!
Quote from: KeeperoftheBar on August 19, 2012, 02:12:37 PM
Hi Mike,
The site looks fantastic and I can hardly wait till opening (47 days till I hit the campground). I see that row 1 is reserved for handicappped parking. Is this handicapped from the campground? If so, how close to the gates do you think we can get? StudMuffin doesn't have as long of legs as I would like and the one time I rode him from the campground to the gates, he ran out about 12:30. I think it was that uphiill run that shortened his stamina. Luckily I got a push back to camp. So up to now, I have driven as close to the main path as I can and ride SM the rest of the way. As the end of the day, I limp SM back to the car and return to Phoenix Risen's canp site. Do you think I shall be able to continue this for another year or so?
Thanks for your advice...
This will also cover Yrose's question.
Yes, the row 1 is for the campgrounds, as only the campers can get to it.
Alternately, if you want to get closer to the Faire front gate, you can exit the campgrounds, turn right, and go about 100 ft to the Faire entrance road on the right (as shown on my map). That will take you right down to the Faire parking lot and the handicapped parking row you are used to using.
Remember, all this is to prevent vehicles from the Faire parking lot from entering the campgrounds, as they would have to drive around to the campgrounds entrance (and pay for camping).
Does that help?
Thanks for the information Mike. I'll check out row one and if it looks too far, I'll do as you suggest. The gate in the picture made me unsure as to the layout and I doubt I'll make it to the preview.
Dang, the anticipation is getting to me...
Mike,
Please count me in for the walk through 9/30. I'm very excited about most of the improvements and can't wait to see them!!
also,
Quote from: mpullen on August 15, 2012, 08:15:46 PM
Get your campgrounds scouts in line early Thursday for the land rush. If ... we will open gate Thursday evening. Otherwise, Friday morning
How early is "early Thursday"?
Thanks again for all!
Quote from: Hector_ on August 24, 2012, 08:43:45 AM
Mike,
Please count me in for the walk through 9/30. I'm very excited about most of the improvements and can't wait to see them!!
also,
Quote from: mpullen on August 15, 2012, 08:15:46 PM
Get your campgrounds scouts in line early Thursday for the land rush. If ... we will open gate Thursday evening. Otherwise, Friday morning
How early is "early Thursday"?
Thanks again for all!
There are those...*coughFrasercough*...who get in line at the butt crack of dawn on Thursday.
Quote from: LadyJessica on August 24, 2012, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: Hector_ on August 24, 2012, 08:43:45 AM
Mike,
Please count me in for the walk through 9/30. I'm very excited about most of the improvements and can't wait to see them!!
also,
Quote from: mpullen on August 15, 2012, 08:15:46 PM
Get your campgrounds scouts in line early Thursday for the land rush. If ... we will open gate Thursday evening. Otherwise, Friday morning
How early is "early Thursday"?
Thanks again for all!
There are those...*coughFrasercough*...who get in line at the butt crack of dawn on Thursday.
Well, that does explain why there was a line when I was supposedly early last year on Hiighland Friday.
There where already people inside... the used to let ya in Thurday afternoon....
I shall arrive by noon on the day of thirst then! And take adequate resources to survive in my car until the gates have parted, e'en if that be an over night in my driver's seat!!
Here's how it is planned to work. Of course, there will be folks who will jump out of their line.
The paved road off CR 302 is wide enough for 4 lanes of traffic. One lane will be left open for outbound traffic.
First in will form up on the right side of the road. Next in, right behind them. Once that row is full (say about 60 vehicles or 30 vehicles with trailers), we will form a line to the left of the first one until it is full. And so forth for the third line.
If we see the third line starting to get filled, we will check with security to see if they are ready. Of course, that's about 180 vehicles or 90 vehicles with trailers. I doubt it will get filled Thursday afternoon, but we have to be ready just in case.
Have your Faire tickets ready to show for everyone in the vehicle or purchase them as needed.
I may come onsite late Thursday. To speed up the land rush, I may circulate down along the rows, selling Faire tickets and camping passes, so that when the gate opens, we get folks moving in as fast as possible.
Folks waiting in line will be able to walk in and use the Quickie Mart and Flushing Toilets, unless this gets abused.
Does the new layout allow for patrons who are not camping to visit the campgrounds before going to their motel? My girlfriend has health issues that prevent us from camping, but it has been fun in past years visiting with campers before retiring for the night. It would not be feasible to pay for a weekend camping pass to visit with friends for a couple hours. Hopefully this is one of the issues you and TRF management have been reviewing. Thanks for all of your good work.
Quote from: Sir Martin on August 25, 2012, 02:11:22 AM
Does the new layout allow for patrons who are not camping to visit the campgrounds before going to their motel? My girlfriend has health issues that prevent us from camping, but it has been fun in past years visiting with campers before retiring for the night. It would not be feasible to pay for a weekend camping pass to visit with friends for a couple hours. Hopefully this is one of the issues you and TRF management have been reviewing. Thanks for all of your good work.
We (Terre, Tom, and I) have not discussed campgrounds visitors who only come into the campgrounds for a few hours. However, our method at Sherwood is that the driver of the visitor vehicle leave their driver's license at the gate. Upon exit, the license is returned. Of course if exit is the next morning, you may have to pay the camping fee to get the license back. Also, you must also have all the people in the vehicle with a hand stamp obtained exiting the Faire or a Faire ticket for the next day.
Idea is to reduce/eliminate "casual" visitors to the campgrounds.
Sound fare enough?I've been corrected. Any visitors will have to walk from the Patron's parking lot into the campgrounds. No vehicles.
Quote from: mpullen on August 25, 2012, 12:56:55 PM
Quote from: Sir Martin on August 25, 2012, 02:11:22 AM
Does the new layout allow for patrons who are not camping to visit the campgrounds before going to their motel? My girlfriend has health issues that prevent us from camping, but it has been fun in past years visiting with campers before retiring for the night. It would not be feasible to pay for a weekend camping pass to visit with friends for a couple hours. Hopefully this is one of the issues you and TRF management have been reviewing. Thanks for all of your good work.
We (Terre, Tom, and I) have not discussed campgrounds visitors who only come into the campgrounds for a few hours. However, our method at Sherwood is that the driver of the visitor vehicle leave their driver's license at the gate. Upon exit, the license is returned. Of course if exit is the next morning, you may have to pay the camping fee to get the license back. Also, you must also have all the people in the vehicle with a hand stamp obtained exiting the Faire or a Faire ticket for the next day.
Idea is to reduce/eliminate "casual" visitors to the campgrounds.
Sound fare enough?
It sounds very reasonable. I think the majority of problems will be solved by two of your strategies - requiring a TRF ticket for each person entering the campgrounds and enforcing an amplified noise curfew. That will keep the ravers subdued and, IMHO, will quell noise disturbances as well as reduce the amount of theft. Perhaps I'm a bit biased, but I'd like to think the majority of theft problems are the result of ravers who roam the campgrounds during the day while rennies are inside the gates.
Mike, Dennis and myself should be there for the walkthrough, barring any major issues. My folks & brother may join us- so that's 5 total. Ill confirm and get back to you ASAP.
I may come out for a looksee... if anything use it as a teaser. ;)
Okay, enough folks have confirmed for attending the walk-thru.
I'm bring up my 26 ft travel trailer (23 ft trailer stays at Sherwood) Saturday and setting place behind the Quickie Mart.
Sunday morning (whenever the nearest pizza joint opens), I'll pickup six large pizzas (2 cheese, 2 pepperoni, 2 supreme), to be available at noon. Bring your own drinks and maybe a potluck dish. Sorry, no beverages supplied.
Hang out at the entrance until I get back onsite. I want to make sure everyone is in attendance when I give the general layout and repeat the new campgrounds rules.
Sounds good!
I'll bring an ice chest with a case or 2 of water bottles.
Guess we might need some paper plates, napkins and utensils if this is going to turn into a pot luck meal. I will bring a dish and one set of paper plates and utensils if that is the case and others plan to bring food too.
*looks for somewhere to hide flask*
Bonnie! Will Advent drag his drunken arse out for this?
*Richard always has some Jameson on him...* ;)
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on August 31, 2012, 10:51:43 AM
Bonnie! Will Advent drag his drunken arse out for this?
*Richard always has some Jameson on him...* ;)
LOL! I think he is planning to be there but I might have to 'collect' him on my way there lol.
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on August 31, 2012, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on August 31, 2012, 10:51:43 AM
Bonnie! Will Advent drag his drunken arse out for this?
*Richard always has some Jameson on him...* ;)
LOL! I think he is planning to be there but I might have to 'collect' him on my way there lol.
More like pour him into you vehicle... :D
So true!
He said that if he is in town he will be there. :)
Quote from: mpullen on August 25, 2012, 12:56:55 PM
Quote from: Sir Martin on August 25, 2012, 02:11:22 AM
Does the new layout allow for patrons who are not camping to visit the campgrounds before going to their motel? My girlfriend has health issues that prevent us from camping, but it has been fun in past years visiting with campers before retiring for the night. It would not be feasible to pay for a weekend camping pass to visit with friends for a couple hours. Hopefully this is one of the issues you and TRF management have been reviewing. Thanks for all of your good work.
We (Terre, Tom, and I) have not discussed campgrounds visitors who only come into the campgrounds for a few hours. However, our method at Sherwood is that the driver of the visitor vehicle leave their driver's license at the gate. Upon exit, the license is returned. Of course if exit is the next morning, you may have to pay the camping fee to get the license back. Also, you must also have all the people in the vehicle with a hand stamp obtained exiting the Faire or a Faire ticket for the next day.
Idea is to reduce/eliminate "casual" visitors to the campgrounds.
Sound fare enough?
I've been corrected. Any visitors will have to walk from the Patron's parking lot into the campgrounds. No vehicles.
Mike, does this mean people coming from Patrons parking lot will not require a ticket in hand when they enter the campgrounds on foot? After closing, people going to Faire would not have their tickets any more.
Polly PoPo, there are no restrictions/checks for folks walking to/from the Patron's campgrounds and the Faire entrance.
This first year experiment is to block vehicle traffic from the Faire parking lot into the Patron's campgrounds.
It's pretty obvious to watch someone hauling an ice chest from the campgrounds to the Faire parking lot (or other camping gear).
This doesn't prevent theft from fellow campers, so the security will be constantly patrolling. Plus campers need to be observant.
Quote from: mpullen on September 02, 2012, 05:02:34 PM
Polly PoPo, there are no restrictions/checks for folks walking to/from the Patron's campgrounds and the Faire entrance.
This first year experiment is to block vehicle traffic from the Faire parking lot into the Patron's campgrounds.
It's pretty obvious to watch someone hauling an ice chest from the campgrounds to the Faire parking lot (or other camping gear).
This doesn't prevent theft from fellow campers, so the security will be constantly patrolling. Plus campers need to be observant.
Thanks for the info.
:)
Doh!! I just realized the campground walkabout is the same day as the TRF-Magnolia Stroll. What a fun day this will be!!
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on September 02, 2012, 09:29:11 PM
Doh!! I just realized the campground walkabout is the same day as the TRF-Magnolia Stroll. What a fun day this will be!!
Oops, scratch that. The stroll is Saturday and the tour is Sunday. Dang that would have made for a fun filled day if it was all on Saturday.
what is the policy for particpants camping in the patron grounds? do we also pay camping fees? this is my first year working
Quote from: az on September 14, 2012, 01:05:42 PM
what is the policy for particpants camping in the patron grounds? do we also pay camping fees? this is my first year working
They dont mind if you do as far as i know. Yes you do have to pay for camping. Not sure if the rules have changed been a while since i worked for them.
i only want to camp the weekends my clan will be there otherwise i will be in participants
Quote from: az on September 14, 2012, 01:43:56 PM
i only want to camp the weekends my clan will be there otherwise i will be in participants
Just make sure you have your participants tag for your car in a safe place when you camp. You should be fine.
cant wait. i hope the particpants camping is as friendly and fun as the patrons
The patron/participant camping thing has always been a bit odd @ TRF.
In the past, they've actively tried to prevent participants from going out to patron's camping at all, at least from backstage.
I know George doesn't want cast members out there in their civvies, as it "ruins the illusion" of faire, but there is no such prohibition listed anywhere in the participants handbook.
Considering how many participants are members of clans, it seems almost punitive to tell them they can't visit their clan.
Hopefully with the changes to vehicle access we'll be more able to enjoy that social aspect of faire.
I'm now a "maybe" for the walk through. It all depends on how far along i am with the house move... :(
Moving sucks. I feel your pain.
that would be awesome. i know my employer doesnt mind me camping in patrons . i just dont want to miss the fun. im s. it till a bit nervous to be camping in particpants alone seeing as i dont know anyone and the other gyspsies dont camp. hopefully i will make friends fast . it isnt usually a problem. for a big bosomed red haired flirt that also cooks and bakes
did i mention i also usually have large quantites of Loki too? ::)
Oh, you do! Well you never let any of us know back in camp!!!!!!!! Thanks a lot there AZ
Large amounts you say..Hi, I'm Mouse...pleased to make your acquaintance.
Questions in regards to flagpoles in the campgrounds:
To whom it may concern:
On Facebook, there is a picture of a Jolly Roger on a flagpole. And somebody mentioned "the flagpoles were a nice addition".
Are there numerous flagpoles? Are they located in certain strategic locations for specific purposes? (purposes other than hoisting flags, I mean to grid off camp areas etc.)
Thanks in advance, a clarification would definitely help stop my mind from racing with the possibilities.
They are mainly there for decoration. We placed them in the main area around the fire pit so everyone can fly their flags. There are seven now and more on stand-by if we find a large group we missed.
This was also covered in another thread I believe (Otherwise it was in an email), but I can't find the thread. As I recall, the flag poles are for any groups camped near by to fly flags on. First group in has the top flag and last group obviously has the bottom flag.
Quote from: KiltedPrivateer on September 25, 2012, 12:19:40 PM
This was also covered in another thread I believe (Otherwise it was in an email), but I can't find the thread. As I recall, the flag poles are for any groups camped near by to fly flags on. First group in has the top flag and last group obviously has the bottom flag.
I recall this stated in a thread. :)
I do remember something in another thread, but couldnt find it myself. I was thinking it meant flagpoles in the clan areas to stake their claim during land rush, since you guys have years upon years of established clan locations.
Thanks for the clarifications! Looking forward to meeting y'all Sunday!
Found it!
Quote from: mpullen on August 09, 2012, 05:56:29 PM
...We will place the flagpoles every 100 150 feet down the center of the large central area, adjusting spacing to avoid the trees.
Clans/Groups/individual campers may hoist a flag/banner on the nearest flagpole, with the first in getting the top position. Thus every weekend, the display will change.
Recommend your flags/banners be around 3 ft wide by 4-6 ft long, with grommets to attach to the lanyard.
Thanks!
Quote from: az on September 24, 2012, 01:11:55 PM
did i mention i also usually have large quantites of Loki too? ::)
Hmmm... more than 10 gallons? That's what i usually go through in a season...
*Mys peoples likes to drink* ;)
Yep, the flag poles are for clans/groups to hoist their colors. Pick the closest pole. First in gets the top hoist position.
Notice the 3 ft height restriction, to allow more flags/banners on the pole. No restrictions on length.
We will have pirate flags to fill in the empty spaces.
The poles are spaced down the center of the previous Patrons campgrounds from around row 2 to row 11.
Come out this Sunday to see the specific layout and get your group ready for opening weekend.
Charlie. i had some closing weekend last year. where were you? i hope to have a few bottles opening.
i love that idea
Hey Mike,
Were you ever able to get a definitive answer on participants visiting the patron camping areas?
If it is cool, will there be vehicle access from backstage by the Globe gate, or at least parking near the gate?
the camping was awesome . just a few minor problems like tons of fire ants, a tarantula climbing up a tent(at least it was the size of one)and the rudest policeman i ever met who told us monday morning as we were packing to "get your sh@t and leave so we can clean up you peoples mess". he was a jerk!
Glad you enjoyed the camping!
Fire ants are a pain but they are slowly getting pushed away. Try to keep an eye out for the little buggers. Spiders? yikes. We are in the country in the woods.
Police on mondays.....
I was out there when he was talking to the various groups.
Sigh.
Sometimes police officers forget their sensitivity training and I do appologize if he was rude. The message still stands the same.
I do not want it to be like this but...
The campground closes at 12 PM noon, it is clearly stated in the rules. Anyone still there after noon is technically trespassing and subject to removal, arrest, towing, etc. Left to leave on their own, campers stay till tuesday or so. They have to clear the campground so it can be serviced for the next weekend and there is a set schedule for this to happen. Abuse in the past has made it so this is the way it is. From now on, on mondays, anyone still slowly packing up and sitting around at noon might be issued a criminal trespass warrant and banned from entering the property for a year. This may seem a little harsh but the same people every week are the ones doing this.
we were packing and it was 11. we are normally out well before then but we lost car keys and had to look for them.
Echoing Quickie Mart's comments:
Yes, folks tend to move slowly Monday morning. The noon Monday clear-out is necessary to allow the clean-up crew time to gather the trash that inconsiderate folks left. We have multiple trash dumpsters spread throughout the campgrounds. I personally saw one area covered in trash and several teenage campers bailing out of the area Sunday afternoon,
The fire circle was filled with trash Sunday. I agree we are at fault as we didn't leave any trash containers in the area. This will be solved in the future.
Remember that cleaning up 170 acres of campgrounds takes time. Everything needs to be cleaned up by Thursday to accept the next weekends campers. If campers are pro-active and cleanup their area and deposit trash in the dumpsters, the cleanup will take less time (i.e., less expenses).
Yeah seeing all the trash everywhere as we were leaving was dissapointing. Some people just don't care and that is a shame.
That is just mind boggling to me... We always clean up after ourselves, it is just the right thing to do. But these are probably also the same people who throw trash out their car windows and or drop it on the ground as they walk around....makes me sick!
Can i Taze them yet? ;D
Quote from: mpullen on October 09, 2012, 06:58:30 PM
I agree we are at fault as we didn't leave any trash containers in the area. This will be solved in the future.
There is no way that any other person or group can claim responsibility for the inconsideration of others. Leaving trash is inexcusable. There are very large groups that camp out there and leave their sites cleaner than when they arrived.
The community really should band together to shame these people into cleaning up after themselves. It's terrible the way our culture has allowed political correctness to survive. We'd rather cover our mouths and gasp, then gossip later around the fire, rather than shout at someone, letting them know that they are being an a$$hat and making them correct their faults. Shame on us I say.
i agree. we tend to clean up our site and whatever sites are nearest us. will be glad to see more dumpster out there.