I want to make a cape or cloak to go with my green outfit. I don't have a pattern for one, but I don't think it's very hard, basically just a half circle. My question is with regards to the collar. Most of the online tutorials have me making a collar, and I don't know if it's supposed to be a stiff collar that stands up (like a doublet collar), or if it's supposed to fold over and lie flat.
I'm modeling it off of Sir Francis Bryan's from The Tudors (just going through the 3rd season, and the first time I saw it I was like "I want to make that!" ;D) Here are some pictures for reference. In the pictures, it looks like the collar is lying flat (if there is a collar at all, I can't really tell.) How would I get the collar to behave that way, it seems like it would always want to stand up.
(http://image.wetpaint.com/image/1/LMKD1yV93nbPcRCGIpsQww119415/GW312H252)
(http://image.wetpaint.com/image/1/fupZMtdxHGYrQV88Rip7Jg110126/GW348H256)
Thanks!
Okay, so the Tudors is about as period as denim jeans. Fine if you want to go that way but just know it's not H/A at all. (At one point, the costumer freely admitted she drew upon Degas, the 19th Century artist, for her costuming. *headdesk*)
For period (Elizabethan) shoulder capes, Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion has a lot of pictures and information on an extant circle cloak from about the 1570's +/-10 years. You need this book if you are doing anything Elizabethan clothing wise.
All the capes I've seen that are extant from that era for men are circle capes. Very easy to make.
Those that do have collars in the period, most (if not all) have stand up collars. However, many of these collars are wide - particularly the later you go in the 16th c.
http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/1_Originaly/02_Renesancni/I_02_70.htm (http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/1_Originaly/02_Renesancni/I_02_70.htm)
http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/1_Originaly/02_Renesancni/I_02_88.htm (http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/1_Originaly/02_Renesancni/I_02_88.htm)
Above are both extant examples. There are a ton more on those pages. :)
Quote from: isabelladangelo on September 24, 2012, 02:52:56 PM
Okay, so the Tudors is about as period as denim jeans. Fine if you want to go that way but just know it's not H/A at all. (At one point, the costumer freely admitted she drew upon Degas, the 19th Century artist, for her costuming. *headdesk*)
For period (Elizabethan) shoulder capes, Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion has a lot of pictures and information on an extant circle cloak from about the 1570's +/-10 years. You need this book if you are doing anything Elizabethan clothing wise.
All the capes I've seen that are extant from that era for men are circle capes. Very easy to make.
Those that do have collars in the period, most (if not all) have stand up collars. However, many of these collars are wide - particularly the later you go in the 16th c.
http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/1_Originaly/02_Renesancni/I_02_70.htm (http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/1_Originaly/02_Renesancni/I_02_70.htm)
http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/1_Originaly/02_Renesancni/I_02_88.htm (http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/1_Originaly/02_Renesancni/I_02_88.htm)
Above are both extant examples. There are a ton more on those pages. :)
Thanks for the links, very helpful. I'm not trying to go for ultra historical accuracy, more of an "inspired by history" look.
There are quite a few variations in patterns out there...so do a little reading before you make your final decision.
http://jackytappet.tripod.com/cloaks.html
http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~lwittie/sca/garb/cloak.html
http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/elizabethan-cloaks.htm
(http://www.employees.org/~cathy/images/sleeved_cloak.jpg)
http://www.employees.org/~cathy/cote_body.html
http://genvieve.net/sca/elizfccloak.html
Always wondered, how do those half capes stay on? Button/tied to the outer layer of clothing?
DonaCatalina, thanks for those links. I read through them, and the one pictured in the last link caught my eye (the black one with green trim, full circle cloak). I was going to do the half circle cloak because I didn't think it was possible to have the full circle style worn on the shoulder (the court style mentioned in the link). I figured there would be too much fabric and it would be too heavy. The pictures show it worn both ways, and I like to have options with my clothing :D
PollyPoPo, most of the examples I've seen have it tied under the opposite arm, across the chest. You could probably pin the cloak to the doublet to further prevent it from moving.
Quote from: PollyPoPo on September 25, 2012, 06:46:41 AM
Always wondered, how do those half capes stay on? Button/tied to the outer layer of clothing?
You tie them beneath the opposite shoulder or they can button at the neck. Most portraits show the compass cloaks being buttoned at the neck.
Thank you for answers - thought it might be something like that but never really saw how it was done. Doing something similar with a kid's outfit - fantasy fighter, no where near h/a - now I know how to proceed.
A Cloak I made from using the Janet Arnold book...Patterns of Fashion 1, Clothing from 1560 to 1620...Basically a half circle and simple collar at the neckline.
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(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/539526_10150755927786280_1822516819_n.jpg)
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