A couple of rules up front-
1) Keep it civil. Rancorous discourse only detracts from the efforts of those of us who are trying to improve the faire. Likewise, try not to criticize the suggestions of others, as their ideas are just as valuable as yours, though some are more useful than others due to circumstances (especially relating to budget).
2) Keep it realistic. While I would love to see a massive stone castle built across the pond with the fireworks being launched from the battlement, such a castle would cost nearly a million at the very least (however, I actually DO know a guy who builds such castles (http://www.castlemagic.com/color.html), so if the budget ever came available... just sayin'). Remember that Terre has a skeletal budget and still has to clear certain things through George and the shareholders, so keep it within feasibility.
Okay, that being said, I would like to open up a thread for suggestions to Terre for the purpose of feeding ideas into the hopper that could be used to further improve and develop faire. These suggestions could be future site features, ideas for marketing, suggestions for new acts or artisans, etc. I'll start with some of my own ideas-
The Celtic Forest- either a part of, or attached to, the magic gardens, develop part of that area to resemble an ancient Celtic grove, and have a few actors stationed there as draoithe (druids) and laochra (warriors). While true standing stones might be pricey, concrete mock-ups with proper aging paint and vines/foliage growing over them would work quite well (and it's a lot easier to cast concrete with carvings than it is to carve into standing stones, I speak from experience). This would also be a handy spot to have the Sídhe (Celtic fairy folk) flitting about. As many people out there are stricken with terminal Celtophelia, this would be a popular attraction with a lot of crowds.
Patron's Tavern- similar in concept to the quickie mart out there already, have a TABC-certified sit-down bar/eatery with period flaire out in Patrons where the barbecue/quicky mart is by the fire. Something like the Prince of Wales, but out in Patrons. There may be legal issues on this one, so this is on the very edge of feasibility.
ARMA or AEMMA Tournaments- AEMMA is more historically-accurate in their tourneys as they wear full plate armour and use edgeless knightly weapons, but they also don't have local representation, being largely in Europe, Canada and the northern US. However, ARMA is based in Houston and is a very good close second. Have them do period-dress medieval combat tourneys straight out of the Talhoffer Fechtbuch manuals in the Arena. Again, there may be legal issues and you'd have to discuss it with the various groups, but I know ARMA has done demos out at TRF before.
Archery Contest- Several faires do this, TRF would benefit from holding one as well. I'd say review the faires that currently hold such tourneys and see how they do it (both out front and behind the scenes) and see if this would be feasible.
Bring Back the Crane- The old hamster-wheel stonemason's crane (http://4eyes.code66.se/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/meca1-01.jpg) sits in the Boneyard by the railroad tracks aging and languishing. If it is structurally sound enough, I say find a place for that sucker so that the kids can see how things were lifted and how walls and such were built in the medieval and renaissance periods. That was one of the things I saw when I first attended faire that blew me away, and I loved it. I'd work that puppy and do demos on it myself if I had to in order to see that thing come back, it would be a magnificent educational opportunity.
Anyway, there's my ideas for consideration :)
Now this is what I would call an Excellent thread and one TRF could utilize and be proud of. By the way myself and me new partner might very well steal ideas and concepts so get those creative juices going TRFers. Breandan also made a good point be willing to step up on a project if you really want to see it happen volunteers help the budget as we all know. ;D Like this thread.
The suggestion that first come to mind for me is seating..... You have a gazillion trees, you could add a few more stone tree rings. The eateries in the lanes never have enough seating. The Musketeer Banquet area comes to mind. Not only would these protect the trees, they provide a rest stop for people who are walking the faire from 8:00am to 5:00pm.
Yay! We are at the constructive part of the conversation!
I do agree with Breandan on all points save the Celtic forest (though I'd like to see it happen), it is just not period, though I guess with Barbarians, a Brazilian restaurant and lots of other fantasy elements, it is out of place.
One of the things I really miss is having some live combat out in the open, I don't really miss the SCA itself and I know there were tons of issues with garb and out of character stuff, they got called knights in Nikes for a good reason. I do however miss the fighter's mound and going and watching some non-scripted fights right out in the middle of the faire that do not involve patrons and alcohol. ARMA in period garb would fit the bill nicely.
A weekly traditional archery tournament would be a winner, cheap for TRF to implement, all you need is some hay bails, shoot from the arena out towards the lake so stray arrows do not provide any risk to the crowd. I don't even think TRF would have to provide purse money, a small entry fee with the total divided up among the winners. Again, period garb and weaponry required.
I'd also like to see the full contact jousting like they have at Sherwood. The current show and actors are great, but it really doesn't change enough to be worth going back to. The Queen presiding over a true tourney to choose her champion would be awesome!
FTLOG let me buy something to eat and coke at the same place, waiting in line to buy a food item, then taking my food to stand in another line, often right next to the first one, sometimes with not even a partition wall between the "separate" booths is nothing but an annoyance.
Restrooms for those of us who are there very early or very late for the greater good of the faire, Terre, this is an outright plea! Open one or two extra ones on Friday afternoon and leave them open through Monday morning so your loyal minions do not have to slog all the way to the ones near the EB for "late night relief", it used to be the one by the Gutenberg Press was open all night, but this is not so anymore or at least not consistently so. Note, the sprinklers and lack of lighting make this long arduous journey far more "interesting" than really necessary, especially given the sometime immediate need.
Shaded seating in the stage areas w/o cover. The Cast in Bronze area comes to mind.
Quote from: Breandan on October 25, 2012, 11:57:33 PM
A couple of rules up front-
I would love to see a massive stone castle built across the pond with the fireworks being launched from the battlement, such a castle would cost nearly a million at the very least (however, I actually DO know a guy who builds such castles (http://www.castlemagic.com/color.html), so if the budget ever came available... just sayin')
I'm definitely up for that. :)
Shaded seating, or more shade trees is something that most faires could use more of.
If Cast in Bronze is going to be appearing at every major faire in the country, they (and it is several people) need to lose the MIDI backup band. With the mention of non-period music and all, the techo-pop accompaniment to an otherwise fascinating concept of carillon playing just doesn't play with me at all, at least in a Ren faire setting. Yes, I know I'm the only one who feels like this, but if you're going to mention the Brazilian pub there, you have to consider this. If anything at the faires I've been to in the last 2-3 years irks me, it's hearing Bellringer Pops Orchestra at all but one of the faires I've been to.
Understand clearly that I do not find it entertaining in and of itself, but if you want to take someone out of the immersion into the faire experience, it's the one that does it for me.
Going with Merlin the Elder on this...
I love Cast in Bronze, but not so much the midi.
Also, I'm as big of a Sabbath / Ozzy fan as they come but hearing Iron Man out of a brass band is indeed a mood killer.
I agree with most/all of what's been said, though I have a feeling many aren't really financially feasible, at least in the short term.
I do however see no reason why the joust can't be more realistic. I love the jousting at Sherwood but have been just completely skipping the TRF one for a decade.
I also think there's definitely a market for a more period sit down restaurant - well in theme/decor at least. I've done quite a bit of period cooking and much of it is shall we say an acquired taste. (why must EVERYTHING have almond milk?!? :P )
You're not the only one, Merlin. The carillon is great; the prerecorded backup music makes me crazy.
I agree with the need for an improved jousting experience. It is clear that the fights are scripted (even to my kids) and the acting is poor. I think a full contact jousting troupe would be a huge improvement and would also help bring in crowds. We go once a year if at all.
Secondly the sit down eatery should have the entertainment changed to fit. The Brazilian dancers and their music is not even in the "stretching things" category that other things at TRF are.
I have to admit that I did not even see the Brazilian restaurant...and we missed the parade (isn't there usually a cannon for that??).
I agree we need more seating, it was not easy to find somewhere to sit when we needed a break.
The one thing that I had issue with this weekend is that the drink sizes appear to be getting smaller as the price gets higher. I bought a mulled wine on saturday and was $6 (or more?) for a tiny styrofoam cup. I was a bit shocked when they handed me the cup! The price seems a bit disproportionate to what I got!
All in all though, I am very happy with the improvements!
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on October 26, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Shaded seating, or more shade trees is something that most faires could use more of.
If Cast in Bronze is going to be appearing at every major faire in the country, they (and it is several people) need to lose the MIDI backup band. With the mention of non-period music and all, the techo-pop accompaniment to an otherwise fascinating concept of carillon playing just doesn't play with me at all, at least in a Ren faire setting. Yes, I know I'm the only one who feels like this, but if you're going to mention the Brazilian pub there, you have to consider this. If anything at the faires I've been to in the last 2-3 years irks me, it's hearing Bellringer Pops Orchestra at all but one of the faires I've been to.
Understand clearly that I do not find it entertaining in and of itself, but if you want to take someone out of the immersion into the faire experience, it's the one that does it for me.
what he said.....
Also have to agree w/ Merlin on CiB.
I'll not get into a screed here, but beyond the actual instrument itself, his act has little/no basis in what could be considered Renaissance or Medieval.
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on October 26, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Shaded seating, or more shade trees is something that most faires could use more of.
If Cast in Bronze is going to be appearing at every major faire in the country, they (and it is several people) need to lose the MIDI backup band. With the mention of non-period music and all, the techo-pop accompaniment to an otherwise fascinating concept of carillon playing just doesn't play with me at all, at least in a Ren faire setting. Yes, I know I'm the only one who feels like this, but if you're going to mention the Brazilian pub there, you have to consider this. If anything at the faires I've been to in the last 2-3 years irks me, it's hearing Bellringer Pops Orchestra at all but one of the faires I've been to.
Understand clearly that I do not find it entertaining in and of itself, but if you want to take someone out of the immersion into the faire experience, it's the one that does it for me.
I completely agree, Merlin. CiB has been at NYRF for the past 3 or 4 years and I have seen exactly 1 performance. The carillon is a wonderful instrument that I would love to listen to but the choice of music and the accompanying soundtrack completely turn me off.
We seem to be drifting away from "Future TRF Development" ideas for Terre...
Quote from: Trillium on October 29, 2012, 12:18:06 PM
I have to admit that I did not even see the Brazilian restaurant...and we missed the parade (isn't there usually a cannon for that??).
I agree we need more seating, it was not easy to find somewhere to sit when we needed a break.
The one thing that I had issue with this weekend is that the drink sizes appear to be getting smaller as the price gets higher. I bought a mulled wine on saturday and was $6 (or more?) for a tiny styrofoam cup. I was a bit shocked when they handed me the cup! The price seems a bit disproportionate to what I got!
All in all though, I am very happy with the improvements!
I like the idea of more ethnic food over generic faire food. Most people remember food. But there are a lot of varieties available from 16th century europe and their interpretations of food from Nueva Espana.
...and more seating.
One of the things I had mentioned to Dan Lowe, tho I'm sure it falls more to Jeff Baldwin:
Faire needs more spectacle, particularly when it comes to the themed weekends.
Pirate weekend is a pretty big social event, but with the exception of the opening show, there are few visual cues from faire that there is a pirate theme.
I figure when I show up that weekend, there should be Jolly Rogers and the like everywhere. I should feel like I just docked in Tortuga.
We have WiFi in camping now, so how about creating a WiFi infrastructure for the merchants/vendors?
While the TRF app is cool, the Friend Finder function has substantially increased the data load on local cell sites, and it has been a challenge to establish good data sessions to run card transactions. A dedicated WiFi network could offload a chunk of that traffic from the cellular network, improving the experience for merchants and patrons.
Finally, one that will likely be quickly dismissed because BODIES/NUMBERS, but I don't think it's too bad a notion...
Pirate weekend and/or Barbarian invasion weekend go either 18+ or 21+ only, at least on the Saturdays.
Now that isn't to say that those days become anything goes or the like, but we have a few bawdy acts at faire, and they should be allowed to thoroughly cut loose those days.
Also, given the nature of "barbarian fashion" at faire, it might relieve some of the concerns about violating the sanctity of children's eyes/psyches.
Plus, I think that it could actually help some of the mid-high end vendors, since there be less of a "don't touch!" vibe.
Just my 2p.
I agree with a WiFi need for vendors. A shop owner I know has to run all credit cards this year well after closing as they can't get a good signal during the day. This was not the case in years past, so I have to assume it's the new app as well as the increased numbers.
Quote from: dbaldock on October 31, 2012, 07:30:12 PM
We seem to be drifting away from "Future TRF Development" ideas for Terre...
Not really, David. Entertainment is a big part of faire—any faire—and should be a consideration the development process.
Somewhere, there's a fine line between right and wrong for a Renaissance faire entertainment when it comes to technology—in my opinion. I'm a rock musician, but wouldn't want to see a rock band at faire. It doesn't fit. That's all I'm trying to say. I
do appreciate being able to hear the acts via a
modest bit of sound reinforcement. CiB was loud enough at Scarby to catch the attention of Tartanic. I'd much rather hear the pipes and drums than a MIDI recording blaring from a 3KW sound system.
Quote from: Fenster on November 01, 2012, 11:49:41 AM
I agree with a WiFi need for vendors. A shop owner I know has to run all credit cards this year well after closing as they can't get a good signal during the day. This was not the case in years past, so I have to assume it's the new app as well as the increased numbers.
Stay tuned about that. Doug Block and I are putting together a proposal for site WiFi since the campground project cratered so badly (user-wise, not performance).
Quote from: PyroMaster on November 01, 2012, 05:20:33 PM
Quote from: Fenster on November 01, 2012, 11:49:41 AM
I agree with a WiFi need for vendors. A shop owner I know has to run all credit cards this year well after closing as they can't get a good signal during the day. This was not the case in years past, so I have to assume it's the new app as well as the increased numbers.
Stay tuned about that. Doug Block and I are putting together a proposal for site WiFi since the campground project cratered so badly (user-wise, not performance).
The biggest issue I see with wifi for the campgrounds, so that those of us that are out there are mainly there to have a good time, not play on our laptops. It is a nice service, but I think it would be better used for the shops inside.
My hubby and I used the WiFi and was very happy with it.
We always knew it was a bit of an experiment and frankly was fun to figure out and set up, so I am not overly disappointed. The site WiFi may be a horse of a different color, but I don't want to say much since we are still very early yet.
Besides, Doug loves tech challenges :D
Lane acts there are a few like Thom Bedlam but I'd like to see more of those small acts I like coming around a corner and seeing someone performing in the lane. On the same note I'd like to see more cast doing lane fights the one in the morning near the Dove Meadow stage is very good. Would like to see more of those and maybe smaller one on one maybe pleasant with knifes or clubs. Also would like to see a return of the tournament fights that Oskar Hasselhoff did. And more music in the lanes The lady with the violin is wonderful would like to see more perfumers like her Love the new Barbarian Inn but the stage is just to small needs to be expended and it would be nice to be able to see it from upstairs add a music act to the stage so you have music while drinking your mead.
Let me throw out a suggestion. There's probably more then a few reasons why this idea won't ever get off the ground, but here goes:
Pick one Saturday during the run of the faire, make it on a night with a full moon, and kept the faire open till 10pm. Wondering the lanes, thru the shops, and even seeing some of the shows after the sun goes down would be a really cool experience.
Quote from: Breandan on October 25, 2012, 11:57:33 PM
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While I would love to see a massive stone castle built across the pond with the fireworks being launched from the battlement, such a castle would cost nearly a million at the very least (however, I actually DO know a guy who builds such castles (http://www.castlemagic.com/color.html), so if the budget ever came available... just sayin'). Remember that Terre has a skeletal budget and still has to clear certain things through George and the shareholders, so keep it within feasibility.
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Bring Back the Crane- The old hamster-wheel stonemason's crane (http://4eyes.code66.se/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/meca1-01.jpg) sits in the Boneyard by the railroad tracks aging and languishing. If it is structurally sound enough, I say find a place for that sucker so that the kids can see how things were lifted and how walls and such were built in the medieval and renaissance periods. That was one of the things I saw when I first attended faire that blew me away, and I loved it. I'd work that puppy and do demos on it myself if I had to in order to see that thing come back, it would be a magnificent educational opportunity.
Anyway, there's my ideas for consideration :)
Here's my idea and it would tie in with some of the things already posted. Have a living history "town" with stone masons, a blacksmith, farmer, ect. really showing how life really was back then...not just the festival portion. Let it be one of the major attractions at the school days events so they can really learn about it. I'm sure that you could probably find several people that would love to help you run it.
Quote from: LadyJessica on November 04, 2012, 10:59:43 AM
...I'm sure that you could probably find several people that would love to help you run it.
*raises hand* :)
I love all the ideas. Keep them coming.
Quote from: LadyJessica on November 04, 2012, 10:59:43 AM
Here's my idea and it would tie in with some of the things already posted. Have a living history "town" with stone masons, a blacksmith, farmer, ect. really showing how life really was back then...not just the festival portion. Let it be one of the major attractions at the school days events so they can really learn about it. I'm sure that you could probably find several people that would love to help you run it.
At the Ozark Castle, this was what was going on, and it was absolutely fascinating. It's a terrible shame that the project folded from lack of funds. I'm hoping it reopens. Having something like that at faire would be awesome.
KCRF has a very good living history area.
We're hoping to make our first trip there in 2013, Gauwyn. Perhaps we can synchronize visits!
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on November 05, 2012, 04:43:30 PM
We're hoping to make our first trip there in 2013, Gauwyn. Perhaps we can synchronize visits!
Columbus day weekend.
Quote from: Strange on November 01, 2012, 11:42:03 AM
Finally, one that will likely be quickly dismissed because BODIES/NUMBERS, but I don't think it's too bad a notion...
Pirate weekend and/or Barbarian invasion weekend go either 18+ or 21+ only, at least on the Saturdays.
Now that isn't to say that those days become anything goes or the like, but we have a few bawdy acts at faire, and they should be allowed to thoroughly cut loose those days.
Also, given the nature of "barbarian fashion" at faire, it might relieve some of the concerns about violating the sanctity of children's eyes/psyches.
Plus, I think that it could actually help some of the mid-high end vendors, since there be less of a "don't touch!" vibe.
Just my 2p.
Please not Pirate Weekend!!! Maybe Barbarian and or/Roman Bacchanal weekends (lets face it those Barbarians are pretty raunchy..lol and some of those Togas should never be seen by children! That being said on the flip side a lot of families can not come into faire on Sundays with their kids especially those with long drives. Kids do have school on Mondays and have to be home at a decent hour.
This is a small thing to most people but something came up this weekend when I visited. Can there be better marked and places for diaper changes? If someone hadn't pointed out that the 2 foot long bench that was right next to the sink, and with the big mirror everybody did their hair at was where I was to do diaper changes I would have had to change her on the floor. Eww! Another mundane mom was trying to change her nearly 3 year old, and he was screaming and struggling. Since it was so narrow, and short, it was a real struggle for her. I kept getting the diaper bag wet because I had to put it right next to sinks because there wasn't room to get my items out.
We talk about grand ideas, but sometimes it will be the little things that might encourage more families to come, if they knew that it accessible to all ages. I can tell you it is a weight off a mum's mind if they don't have to stress over taking care of their kiddos. AND it would be nice to have one in the men's area as well. Most places will have one in the ladies but not mens. (If we do already, I commend you highly.)
That's my two pence.
Agreed. Speaking as a father having to change diapers out there, those counters are not safe enough to change a rolling pin of a nine-month-old without assistance. Trying to wrangle a toddler, a diaper bag, diaper, wipes, AND the spasmodic infant was difficult as hell, not to mention potentially dangerous
Quote from: Breandan on November 06, 2012, 07:34:11 AM
Agreed. Speaking as a father having to change diapers out there, those counters are not safe enough to change a rolling pin of a nine-month-old without assistance. Trying to wrangle a toddler, a diaper bag, diaper, wipes, AND the spasmodic infant was difficult as hell, not to mention potentially dangerous
Also, I'm wondering if the changing station surfaces shouldn't be some sort of smooth, non-porous material - so it's easier to keep sanitized? I hate to say "
plastic" when we're talking about a Renaissance Festival, but it would be cheaper than a marble or granite surface.
Speaking of bathrooms...mirrors...need more mirrors in the women's bathroom. Some only have one single VERY small mirror for all the ladies to use...not good when you have some one replying their entire face make up and all I want to do is make sure I don't have basil in my teeth. It took her a good ten minutes with about 7 others waiting to use the mirror.
*edited due to phones auto correct
Yes! Mirrors!
Quote from: AngieT on November 06, 2012, 11:20:40 AM
Yes! Mirrors!
Especially the ones that make us look thinner 8)
Something I've seen at smaller faire Half price for active duty military personal and thier family. As a way to say thanks for providing the protection that allows us to enjoy faire.
I like Sir Richard's idea. We can never do enough to repay our service men and women!
I think some large mirrors in all the bathrooms would be nice for the folks with a lot of garb to deal with.
on the baby changing thing, I'd think something like these would be a quick and easy fix;
http://www.babychangingstationsonline.com/#AHD1070
Hey on the diaper changing situation, I would bet you there would be people who would be willing to sponser some of them (myself being one). I bet if there were the toddler minding chairs in some of the wheel chair accessible stalls you would make even more parents happy. There is nothing like having the chance to go to the toilet with out worrying about your child touch/eating something they shouldn't while you are 'indisposed'.
Yes I know historical accuracy is a big thing, but I'm willing to step out there if it means a safe and sanitary place for my child.
I was looking at Scarborough's Friends of the Faire. I didn't know that they have (had? their page may need updating) annual projects. Two birds, one stone for TRF for these suggestions.
I think 2011 funds went toward the rebuild after the fire, and some memorials to Will, but I could be wrong.
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on November 07, 2012, 03:24:50 AM
I think 2011 funds went toward the rebuild after the fire, and some memorials to Will, but I could be wrong.
Yes I believe you are correct Merlin. The trees, the herb garden, some buildings and the custom bench that was built to resemble Will's pickle cart.
I'm surprised that TRF didn't start FOF passes years ago. A lot of other Faires including Sherwood have jumped on that bandwagon. I think that I would buy FOF passes even if we only made 2-3 weekends just for guaranteed parking, water and a protected seating area inside.
Quote from: DonaCatalina on November 07, 2012, 04:45:12 AM
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on November 07, 2012, 03:24:50 AM
I think 2011 funds went toward the rebuild after the fire, and some memorials to Will, but I could be wrong.
Yes I believe you are correct Merlin. The trees, the herb garden, some buildings and the custom bench that was built to resemble Will's pickle cart.
I'm surprised that TRF didn't start FOF passes years ago. A lot of other Faires including Sherwood have jumped on that bandwagon. I think that I would buy FOF passes even if we only made 2-3 weekends just for guaranteed parking, water and a protected seating area inside.
Nim and I have done the FoF at Scarby for several years now. Even when we were only doing one weekend a year, we got our money's worth, with the passes for folks traveling with us, and discounts at the souvenir shoppe (we ALWAYS buy shirts and yearly mugs/goblets), and the water has saved our tushes on numerous occasions!
We do FoF at Sherwood every year, however, Sherwood's pricing makes it very difficult not too (o:
Howdy! Glad to see this thread here. I've been going to TRF since '90, and the biggest thing for me is simply that the Festival grounds themselves need to expand. Your crowd sizes have gone way way up, but the only real land expansion I remember happening was when the Sherwood section opened up way back when. The Magic Garden is a nice recent addition, but it's set up specifically to not have crowds back there so that didn't really relieve any congestion elsewhere. There simply needs to be a significant increase in the main Festival grounds, so that these huge crowds can spread out more. The parking and camping areas seem much improved to handle the crowds, but I still feel like I'm dodging foot traffic on a New York City sidewalk sometimes in the Festival itself. That feeling has specifically been what's kept me from going to TRF as much as I used to.
And I agree with others that full-contact jousting would be a great addition. I've always thought of TRF jousting as a watch it once type of event, whereas Sherwood Forest Faire's jousting is more of a must-see show for everyone. Though it was entertaining the last time I was out there watching the TRF jousting successfully complete their performance during a downpour of rain.
Friends of Fair passes would be well received also, I'm sure. I'll be picking those up for both Sherwood and Scarborough next year. Even though I'm only able to make it to Scarborough every other weekend or so, it's worth it for the side benefits.
One other thought is that it seems like there's not enough entertainment in the side of the Festival by the Odeon. There's the Odeon itself certainly, but that's pretty much it apart from the stage by the entrance gate and the arena. On a typical Festival day I usually spend much less time on that side of the grounds, due to all the entertainment being concentrated elsewhere.
And finally, I assume this has been mentioned many many times (or perhaps I just hope it has) but please... please... get rid of the people trying to give away a car at the front gates. That's about the worst greeting I can imagine for a Renaissance Festival of any sort. Save that sort of thing for your convention booths and other promotional appearances outside of the actual Festival.
Quote from: Riff Raff on November 07, 2012, 03:49:48 PM
Howdy! Glad to see this thread here. I've been going to TRF since '90, and the biggest thing for me is simply that the Festival grounds themselves need to expand. Your crowd sizes have gone way way up, but the only real land expansion I remember happening was when the Sherwood section opened up way back when. The Magic Garden is a nice recent addition, but it's set up specifically to not have crowds back there so that didn't really relieve any congestion elsewhere. There simply needs to be a significant increase in the main Festival grounds, so that these huge crowds can spread out more. The parking and camping areas seem much improved to handle the crowds, but I still feel like I'm dodging foot traffic on a New York City sidewalk sometimes in the Festival itself. That feeling has specifically been what's kept me from going to TRF as much as I used to.
Agree with this, I've had this general feeling for the last couple years.
I have seen several suggestions for additional seating -- however, on behalf of old folk like me, I would like to see some seating with backs -- it's a lot of walking about, and sitting without something to relax back upon is difficult.
I can't make any comments for anything within the Faire area, as I tend to stress the Patron's campgrounds, since that's where I'm involved every weekend.
We have relocated the Family/Quiet campgrounds from the Deerwood entrance to the new campgrounds entrance along CR302, thus farther from the Iron Dragon (train).
Added a large Quickie Mart at the campgrounds entrance, with flush toilets nearby, along with potable water supply along the road.
Converted the previous overflow parking rows 1-21 to Patron's camping (rows 6-21) and camper parking (rows 1-5 with row 1 being for handicapped parking). Rows 6-21 are becoming VERY popular for small and large groups.
Moved the small Quickie Mart to the area by the bonfire (row 11), along with a beer/meade sales booth, and a burger joint.
Increased security presence.
Added dumpsters all over the area, in addition to the regular trash receptacles. This has vastly reduced the trash pileup of previous years.
Yes, Terre has listened to suggestions. Some items are easy to take care of, some require some long-term planning. Please bear with him, as he has more than enough items on his table.
Quote from: dlswope on November 08, 2012, 04:36:03 PM
I have seen several suggestions for additional seating -- however, on behalf of old folk like me, I would like to see some seating with backs -- it's a lot of walking about, and sitting without something to relax back upon is difficult.
The Leopold benches at Sherwood have backs and are sturdy enough to hold full-figured ladies and gents without tipping. Just a thought.
I've not seen those benches. My back does appreciate support too
The benches are deceptively simple looking, made of lumber, but they do have a back on them. We saw some at Ink's Lake last year, too. They are a bit modern in appearance, but could be stained and dinged up. Unfortunately they are also light weight compared to stone benches and could be picked up and moved around by the none-too-bright crowd.
Terre:
noticed something in water garden that could be tended to.....
some of the beautiful statuary is being covered by the plantings.
A bit of a trim to reveal some of the pretties is in order, please.
Also, the "English Potter" booth area could use some tapestry or such coverings over all his mundane cardboard boxes behind his wonderful displays.
Thanks for all the hard work and blessings of our Festival. I appreciate you and your team so much. Each day while wandering the path I hear patrons expressing fun and delight. As my dear husband slaves away working with the performance company (lol, he loves it and would pay ya'll probably to let him work!) I end up frequently wandering the paths: people watching, helping the lost, and watching the gardens grow. I particularly enjoy engaging patrons in conversations about their day's adventures. There is much positive shared by your audience.
It has been a very good year! Looking forward to Highland fling and Celtic Christmas (my favorite weekend!)
Quote from: LadyStitch on November 05, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
This is a small thing to most people but something came up this weekend when I visited. Can there be better marked and places for diaper changes? If someone hadn't pointed out that the 2 foot long bench that was right next to the sink, and with the big mirror everybody did their hair at was where I was to do diaper changes I would have had to change her on the floor. Eww! Another mundane mom was trying to change her nearly 3 year old, and he was screaming and struggling. Since it was so narrow, and short, it was a real struggle for her. I kept getting the diaper bag wet because I had to put it right next to sinks because there wasn't room to get my items out.
We talk about grand ideas, but sometimes it will be the little things that might encourage more families to come, if they knew that it accessible to all ages. I can tell you it is a weight off a mum's mind if they don't have to stress over taking care of their kiddos. AND it would be nice to have one in the men's area as well. Most places will have one in the ladies but not mens. (If we do already, I commend you highly.)
That's my two pence.
***WARNING! This could get weird...***
This is my first time posting in the suggestions thread because for the most part, I'm more or less okay with things. This suggestion is something I definitely agree with. Also, and I'm not sure if a lot of people will agree with this part here and if it does offend anyone, please accept my apologies in advance, there are a lot of mothers who feed their children "naturally" (some people don't like the "BF" word) and it's hard to find a place to do that when it's not a handicap accessible stall. I think a small bench would be very helpful for those mothers who choose to feed their child away from the eyes of a bunch of strangers. I, myself, do not feed naturally (I use a pump) so I just head into the handicap accessible stalls and hang out in there for a little bit while I express my daughter's milk. But I also know how hard it can be to carry around a diaper bag, a baby, and other things when a baby must be fed. As for the baby changing table in the men's restrooms-that would be so awesome!
I think it's great that we can voice our suggestions here. It's kinda nice that we can be heard without shouting-if that makes any sense...
I got sick on second hand smoke from the Sea Devil tavern on Halloween weekend- and had to visit my Dr twice to get over it. There is no where I can go at TRF where I can breathe smoke free air. It is upsetting to try to spend most of my time at faire avoiding smoke and smokers.It is getting increasingly difficult - with the sale of cigars at faire. How about no smoking performances and eating areas? Or designated smoking areas? Many are allergic.
I would second the idea of either designated smoking areas or to designate areas as smoke free. Shows (outside of pubs & taverns) and eating areas should definitely be smoke free. There is nothing worse than to be sitting and enjoying a show when someone lights up in the middle of the seating.
Though I enjoy walking faire with a cigar, I can third this as I do not like smoke blowing around me while I eat. I concur, no smoke in shows and eateries.
Thank you for your support!!! TRF is getting to be a very smokey faire. There are no non smoking venues. With so many in attendance-perhaps it might be a good idea! Please consider it Terre.
More support for controlling second-hand smoke here. It was a better experience during the drought because of smoking restrictions.
I agree- and thank you Nolekhan!!!
I'm very surprised that smoking is allowed at the performances. I've not seen that at any other faire I've attended. It's been some years since I last attended TRF, but this being the case, I would not want to. I'm glad I found this out before making the long trip.
im a smoker but would never even consider smoking at a performance or around food booths or tables... in fact i like to make sure there is no others around when i smoke (filtered ciggarettes arent very period any way... i tried a pipe, but im not very good at keeping it lit... LOL) :-P
I'm an ex-smoker, but back in the day, I'd be quite conscious of those around me when I smoked. I'm not a fanatic ex-smoker like some I've known, it's just that smoke now causes me severe headaches sometimes, but a couple of days worth of hacking more commonly.
Where people are concentrated, as in the seating for shows, it's really a no-brainer. A LOT of the entertainers rely on their voices to entertain. Lots of smoke will affect their ability to speak or sing.
Although you have a right to smoke, the people around you have a right to fresh air. That trumps smoking.
Yesterday, we were in the car and pulled out to leave Row 22 at 1732. By 2037, we had made it the 340' to the end of the row. Three hours to go three hundred feet is in-freakin'-sane. What stunned me was how little traffic direction there was going on within the parking lot, so I hit on an idea-
As it stands, everyone more or less spills out onto the road out, with the rows closest to the exits clearing first. I saw one guy uselessly waving people on in the middle of the road (they had nowhere else to go by down rows already filled with cars waiting to get out), and another guy running around in a golf cart. Why not task those two with clearing the rows in a MUCH more orderly fashion? I've done enough traffic direction at events and emergencies (cadets get the crap jobs in the police academy) to know that guided traffic flow is MUCH smoother and faster than leaving the patrons to figure it out for themselves. Best technique I could think of was- starting at the rows closest to the exits- have the guy on the golf cart stop traffic on the main road, the other guy to clear first one row, and then the opposite one, then clear the cars between the rows, and repeat. Thoughts?
If I show up at 8 in the morning and pay my $10 for a preferred parking spot, then I think I should get a "preferred" parking spot instead of being directed to park in a area that is further away from the front gate than I could get with the free parking.
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The people directing traffic for the preferred parking should fill up rows 3 through 7 or whatever the current limit is, before directing the latest newcomers to the preferred parking area near the exit gate.
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Quote from: Merlin the Elder on November 16, 2012, 07:52:27 AM
I'm an ex-smoker, but back in the day, I'd be quite conscious of those around me when I smoked. I'm not a fanatic ex-smoker like some I've known, it's just that smoke now causes me severe headaches sometimes, but a couple of days worth of hacking more commonly.
Where people are concentrated, as in the seating for shows, it's really a no-brainer. A LOT of the entertainers rely on their voices to entertain. Lots of smoke will affect their ability to speak or sing.
Although you have a right to smoke, the people around you have a right to fresh air. That trumps smoking.
I do feel especially sorry for the performers at TRF.
We need designated breathing areas! Many faires do not allow smoking except in a few designated areas! I would love to see TRF be a more health conscious faire!
Speaking as a smoker, I would love to see several designated smoking areas around faire. Maybe with some seating there as well. I understand that there are people who have problems with smoke and they have the right not to have to breathe it. Even I get irritated at some of the more rude smokers who throw their cigarette butts on the ground and sit in shows and puff away. I want to see the show and not through a cloud of smoke.
I am glad to note that there is not an outcry of foul from the smokers. I hope that non-smokers also can respect the need for areas where smoking is permitted. A smoking pub might even be a favourable compromise. Handled properly, it can be a win-win, to use a tired cliche.
I understand that people want to smoke and I know that when going by the Sea Devil (for example), it going to be there. Or since balconies and patios are going up, bring the smokers closer to heaven?
Suggestion... Wait till the middle of the off season to make major changes...( read..piss off your long time patrons).
You may also want to wait on growing TRF until the infrastructure is in place... having to drive an hour out of the way to avoid three hours sitting in traffic is crap.
>:(
*Willing to bet Sherwood has record numbers this year.*
Quote from: Strange on November 01, 2012, 11:42:03 AM
One of the things I had mentioned to Dan Lowe, tho I'm sure it falls more to Jeff Baldwin:
Faire needs more spectacle, particularly when it comes to the themed weekends.
Pirate weekend is a pretty big social event, but with the exception of the opening show, there are few visual cues from faire that there is a pirate theme.
I figure when I show up that weekend, there should be Jolly Rogers and the like everywhere. I should feel like I just docked in Tortuga.
Pirate weekend and/or Barbarian invasion weekend go either 18+ or 21+ only, at least on the Saturdays.
Now that isn't to say that those days become anything goes or the like, but we have a few bawdy acts at faire, and they should be allowed to thoroughly cut loose those days.
Also, given the nature of "barbarian fashion" at faire, it might relieve some of the concerns about violating the sanctity of children's eyes/psyches.
Plus, I think that it could actually help some of the mid-high end vendors, since there be less of a "don't touch!" vibe.
What he said. Honestly, I think you would be surprised at the turnout if you had just ONE 18+ day/weekend.
And more themed decorations would be great. When we start to plan the trip out there with people who haven't been before or very often, theyre always concerned about the theme. Honestly, I always tell them not to plan their vacation days according to theme, because there really isn't much difference overall.
Not a fan of the 18+ idea. If we can't get a sitter on a designated weekend or day then we can't go spend our money at faire?? :-\
I can see it if a venue was like that from the get go but to implement it in an existing venue?....
I know at one point there was discussion among some of the Sherwood forumites of an adults-only area where bawdier shows could be had with an 18+ check at the entry point. TRF could probably alleviate a lot of the issues of balancing the boobies-n-beer crowd and the families by setting up an area- like the Agora, for example- for that specifically.
I'm not parenting a youngster anymore—he'll be 39 soon—but even with an R-rated day, those parents who feel their kids are up to it, could bring them. I never was concerned with my son and seeing or hearing something sexual. My concerns were more about violence.
I think, though, with the way most America thinks these days, sex is bad and violence is good, when it comes to entertainment. Go figure.
Kids see/hear worse watching network TV.
In theory I would agree with an area specified as adult-entertainment oriented, with appropriate entrance controls (i.e. an identifiable entryway with specific warnings that entertainment is not suitable for anyone under a certain age). Unfortunately declaring such an area could very likely be construed as indicating that all other entertainment, by default, would be family appropriate.
A different solution could be to put the more adult entertainment in one general area of the Faire, pulling out the family style entertainers. The signs for each adult entertainer could have a disclaimer indicating not suitable for children, as well as making the verbal announcement before each show. Over time attendees would gravitate toward the appropriate areas of interest. Right now, at least two stages have alternating adult then family show throughout the day.
If an adult area were to be created, identified visibly as such or through usage, management would also need to look at the impact on food vendors and other shoppes in the area.
Proclaiming 18+ for an area or a time period presents another problem; 18 is an adult for some purposes, not for the boobies-n-beer crowd, though. By definition (the n-beer part), that would have to be 21+. If a minimum age limit is set at 21+ for entrance to the Faire or a segregated portion of the Faire, management would probably end up needing to card everyone entering in order to protect themselves legally.
It's the difference between a local ice house and a strip club with bouncers.
If I am not mistaken, there is at least one pub (POW?) that is 21 and up. When someone walks in with a kid, or baby in arms, they are quickly told that children are not allowed, no exceptions. I've been there; seen it happen.
By the way, did I mention, I am SO GLAD I am not part of TRF management. Sometimes it must be like a long-tailed cat in a room of set mouse traps.
The Barbarian Inn was 21 plus upstairs... I think if you expanded and had an area that was 21 + for all the bawdy stuff... like the chainmaille show ( I'm not particularly upset to see it go but lots seem to be), iris and rose and christoph could be relocated there as well... have a few bars with a good drinking selection. That is what I would like to see ultimately... I don't have a problem with the kids but when faire favorites start to go because they aren't "family friendly" then I think it is time to please your families and your older crowd at the same time by providing both with safe areas to do what they have always done and loved at faire. A bridge over to the area with a guy checking ID's and making sure all that enter are old enough would be nice...I heard this suggestion a HUNDRED times yesterday after the chainmaille fiasco.
Also, FTLOG, make those brazilian girls wear natural colored feathers! It would do wonders for the look of the show and blending in with faire.
First, I have to say that you can't keep things strictly period. There simply isn't enough acts out there that are "Renaissance" in nature. Out of eight weekends, none are technically "period". You have pirates, Romans, barbarians, and all of the fantasy aspects, none of which are period. If you tried to make everything period, there wouldn't be a Faire left.
Having said that, I think the Celtic grove would be a GREAT idea! It would add an aspect that many think of when discussing this period of history, broad as it may be. Another aspect that I would like to see is something with a Viking theme. My personal opinion is that the Brazilian restaurant should have been turned into a Viking mead hall instead. Viking history and England go hand in hand and I think it would be a perfect match for TRF. It would also add an aspect that isn't represented anywhere else. It would give TRF something no one else has.
Quote from: Drake_Roberts on November 26, 2012, 09:35:59 PM
Another aspect that I would like to see is something with a Viking theme. My personal opinion is that the Brazilian restaurant should have been turned into a Viking mead hall instead. Viking history and England go hand in hand and I think it would be a perfect match for TRF. It would also add an aspect that isn't represented anywhere else. It would give TRF something no one else has.
Ooooo! I like this!
Quote from: LibraryPrincess on November 27, 2012, 12:12:11 AM
Quote from: Drake_Roberts on November 26, 2012, 09:35:59 PM
Another aspect that I would like to see is something with a Viking theme. My personal opinion is that the Brazilian restaurant should have been turned into a Viking mead hall instead. Viking history and England go hand in hand and I think it would be a perfect match for TRF. It would also add an aspect that isn't represented anywhere else. It would give TRF something no one else has.
Ooooo! I like this!
I third this. Great idea, and I could see a lot of people really getting behind this.
Fourth... ;)
Fifth!!!
6th!
7 th !
8th!
I had the impression that the Barbarian Inn was Viking-ish in concept but maybe not so much as it has been displayed/set up. Maybe they can add some decor that would bring more of a Viking feel to it this next season and develop an act somewhere between Sholo's that is fun for the upstairs area since it is adult friendly up there as it is.
9th, and the corresponding amount of mead filled mugs to go with it, if you please.
Truly and Please, I beg of you...Keep The Chainmaille Show! I am decidedly heart-broken at it's possible scuttling.
This is a State that threatens Secession at the fart of a politician - yet petitions The President to oust the owner of the Dallas Cowboys. Please in the name of all that's "holy" in this salty, independent part of the world - Grow a Pair!
Quote from: Drake_Roberts on November 26, 2012, 09:35:59 PM
Another aspect that I would like to see is something with a Viking theme. My personal opinion is that the Brazilian restaurant should have been turned into a Viking mead hall instead. Viking history and England go hand in hand and I think it would be a perfect match for TRF. It would also add an aspect that isn't represented anywhere else. It would give TRF something no one else has.
TENTH!!!
Mead is SORELY represented at the faire. My meads got better reviews on the campground than the samples being handed out by the gate, and I'm an amateur home-brewer. A mead hall with a variety of meads from different breweries would be GREAT. I know for a fact that a few members of one of the brewing forums that I frequent own actually own meaderies, and I'm pretty sure I remember talk of one or two of them supplying a festival or two up north.
I know that if you made an account on the GotMead.com forums and put out a general call, you'd get a bunch of people jumping at the chance.
While we're on the subject, someone should give Brigadoon Brewery a pat on the back; their brews are always excellent. I was disappointed to miss out on the Reindeer Fuel this year, though!
I don't want to offend anyone, so I apologize before hand if I do so.
Performers - I have had little to no interaction in the past 5 years from any performers. From what I could gather they would go to their "skits" and scheduled performances and that was it. And I saw none of these even going on like I have in the past. I am very approachable and in character. I saw many sitting down, and one looked to be napping at one point. No interaction at all this year. Not once.
I do agree about the smoking, to an extent. I enjoy smoking my pipe or cigar. I would NEVER smoke them in a show, or near someone eating food. I think maybe a no-smoking policy in shows, etc might help. Though who would enforce this?
Mead - The TRF Mead is lacking. Either allow certain meads that have been forced out to sell their wares again or improve the TRF Mead. It's like drinking perfume. I drank no mead this year because Chaucers is too sweet and TRF made me cringe.
Music - Why was Circa Paleo not there and why are they always in Sherwood (the a** end of Faire). They are just as good if not better than "Wine and Alchemy". Even voted "Best CD release of the Year" in Ren Faire magazine. Yet they aren't at the largest Ren faire in the US?
Live Jousting. I NEVER go to the Arena. Last year, on the last weekend I heard of Knights of Meyhem were at the Arena. I ran to watch. It was JUST as exciting if not more so than watching football. It was like "A Knights tale" and was amazing!!!! The crowd was going insane.
A Hookah bar might be nice.
I love all the shows at Faire....but many of them are very very redundant with little to anything changing in the past 12 years.......
I know lots of people complain and say it's too commercialized. I understand that one has to make money though. But in the years I've been going it feels more and more about the dollar and less about people, Faire and true entertainment.
It's at the point now where I don't eat at faire, barely drink at faire, and go to none of the shows. I'm not even sure why I go to faire anymore at all actually.
The last time I truly enjoyed a Faire was Sherwood Forest Faire.
I apologize and after all this is just my opinion.
Quote from: tiberiusflynn on November 27, 2012, 09:01:08 PM
Music - Why was Circa Paleo not there and why are they always in Sherwood (the a** end of Faire). They are just as good if not better than "Wine and Alchemy". Even voted "Best CD release of the Year" in Ren Faire magazine. Yet they aren't at the largest Ren faire in the US?
Thanks for that!
I also respectfully ask that the chainmaille show be continued. It is very entertaining, showcases beautiful artwork, and the participants (and crowd) includes men, women and children.
Circa Paleo is indeed an extraordinary group. I watched Vana Mazi this year, and they performed well, but did not draw the crowds (nor dance participation) that Circa Paleo has in recent years.
There seemed to be fewer TRF Performance Company members among the crowd at the fireworks show. They did a great job on the dais, but I think it is better for the audience to see a few cast members holding lanterns and singing the final song among the bleachers, as well as across the jousting arena. The crowds were large at the fireworks show, so maybe there were more performance company members along the top row of seats, but I didn't notice as many as in previous years. It's nice to have other people to sing along with (and 99% of the audience do not know the words). The cast, by the way, did another fantastic job this year!
The problem with turning the Barbarian Inn into the adult area is that it's right next to the Falconer stage. I'd rather see the Agora area turned into a 21+ as it is already set with a bar and has an entrance that could be modded to accommodate this.
SIGNS-Some kind of signs pointing in what direction things are. I don't need it but plenty of people ask which direction to various stages.
MUSIC-Something Maryland does that I'd like to see is specialty acts. There are fantastic acts out there and I think you could find acts that fit into each weekend. It would be nice to have something new to see each weekend, not that our current acts aren't great, but variety is the spice of life.
One issue I had was consistency of drinks. Someone earlier mentioned it but one weekend a drink was a certain size cup the VERY NEXT WEEKEND it was the smaller cup for the same price. The girl working the Agora bar claimed she was only doing what her boss told her to do.
Terre has announced that the Falconer's Stage will undergo major rennovations for next season. There is already somewhat of a tree/brush border between the Falconer's Stage and the Barbarian Inn. Perhaps that can be bolstered a bit to provide some acoustic dampening between the two venues so the noise levels from each do not interfere with the other.
I totally agree with the specialty acts at Maryland Ren Fest being fantastic. They have hosted the Mediaeval Baebes several times (they have even appeared at the Florida and Arizona Ren Fests which have nowhere near the attendance of TRF). If smaller faires can attract world class entertainment like this, TRF can do it also (Maryland Ren Fest is the third most attended in the U.S. - Arizona and Florida are further down the list).
Don't let their name fool you ... they are much more than eye candy. The Mediaeval Baebes have recorded and perform in over a dozen different languages and dialects, several of them play instruments, and once have you ever hear these ladies, you will never forget them. I would LOVE to see them perform at TRF, even if for a limited engagement.
http://youtu.be/YVqee3Pkrm8
http://youtu.be/PTDE3MzNXB4 (probably the least renaissance-y song they do, but still a beautiful concept video).
http://www.mediaevalbaebes.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medi%C3%A6val_B%C3%A6bes
Quote from: Sir Martin on November 28, 2012, 02:46:59 AM
Terre has announced that the Falconer's Stage will undergo major rennovations for next season. There is already somewhat of a tree/brush border between the Falconer's Stage and the Barbarian Inn. Perhaps that can be bolstered a bit to provide some acoustic dampening between the two venues so the noise levels from each do not interfere with the other.
I totally agree with the specialty acts at Maryland Ren Fest being fantastic. They have hosted the Mediaeval Baebes several times (they have even appeared at Florida Ren Fest which has nowhere near the attendance of TRF). If you ever hear these ladies, you will never forget them. I would LOVE to see them perform at TRF.
http://www.mediaevalbaebes.com/
WOW, Martin! AWESOME! They would make a perfect fit... Give these women a main stage and let them loose. I've always been a fan of Celtic harmonies...
*And they are freaking hot!*
Terre,
I would add one more suggestion and shock of all shocks, it is not really overly negative; just an observation. I know you are putting a lot of money into rennovations and improvements of your infrastructure so you should also be paying attention to maintenance to make sure your investment lasts for years to come. Case in point: I went back to our old stage, and it is already showing signs of age very quickly. The walls running down the edges of the stage are showing mineral deposits from the sprinklers hitting the walls and the beautiful flower beds from last year are not quite so beautiful. A very small amount of money and attention to these issues should be made on each of your improvements in the off season to keep them looking at their peak for season. Just an observation for a small, simple improvement.
Quote from: tiberiusflynn on November 27, 2012, 09:01:08 PM
A Hookah bar might be nice.
This! The husband and I have grown quite fond of our hookahs in camp, and we just dropped a good bit of money on a tiny one that came with a really neat and sturdy carrying cage so that he can carry it around and kinda smoke it under his cloak or abaya. We don't need to do this at Sherwood, because they already have an amazing hookah bar, but TRF does lack this. The shop that sells the "pipes" way back in Sherwood ( Or right before you get into Sherwood ) said they sold out of hookahs every Saturday. So, it's obvious the desire is there!
What many of you may not realize is that all of the shops at TRF are individually owned and operated businesses. The Hacienda San Jorge (Brazilian Restaurant) is owned by Mrs. Giles who is also the owner of all of the food booths in the Spanish area where the Dove Meadow stage is located. So it's not just that simple, turning it into a Viking themed eatery. If a restaurant owner comes to the Festival and proposes such an eatery, then that would most likely be the way it would happen. You want a Viking themed eatery? Buy one of the shops that are for sale and start one up! That's the way to go. :)
Next. Bringing in specialty acts is not as simple as you might believe. There is money involved and only so much in the budget to cover the existing entertainment. A group like Mediaeval Baebes would be quite expensive were I to hazard an educated guess, and that money needs to pay for the existing entertainment, stage acts and actors. They are from overseas so I am willing to bet that their contract would require a housing stipend. There are also several members in the group and their fee would require enough compensation for them all. Their schedule might not be compatible with ours either. That is a factor to consider.
For tiberiusflynn. I am sorry that you were shorted on performance company interaction this season. We are smaller in number than we have ever been and we are stretched VERY thin. We are also one of the strongest performance companies that TRF has ever had. Actors are assigned to one area for the day according to their nationality groups (this is directly from the owner) and with the extreme number of patrons we had in the park this year, performers are stretched pretty thin. I am sure that anyone you saw sitting was probably just trying to catch their breath and give their poor feet a break for a few minutes. We are dressed and ready to go by 8:00 a.m. and our day is not complete (re: we are not off the clock) until after the fireworks at 8:00 p.m. 12 hour days of performing for and interacting with thousands and thousands of people, with very limited breaks, is utterly exhausting both physically and mentally. Trying to navigate those crowds getting to and from required scheduled events should be an Olympic sport in and of itself. We also have to take into consideration the vendors around us and not impede on their ability to conduct business. A loud path show right in front of a shop or vendor's tent will most likely draw people out of their place of commerce and then we will have a very angry shop owner. The same is true for specialty acts and stage acts. Trust me when I say that we do our DAMNEDEST to make sure we entertain as many as possible, but with a limited number of people, we can only entertain so many. We have the 8 themed weekend groups with about 6 to 7 people each, England, Spain, France, Robin Hood and the Puppeteers, again, with 6 to 7 members each. That's less than 100 people in the performance company proper.
Regarding mead... I posted several weeks ago about the daily Mead Tasting in the Taverna di Vino. We showcased 8 meads from around the US and Poland, and the show proved to be quite successful. We even sold out of some of the meads we were using in the show and had to scramble to make substitutions the last three weekends. The goal is to make this show on par with our wine tasting and we are looking to have an even wider variety of meads available next year. I believe we had 10 meads available in the shop this year and shop owners must have clearance to sell the items they do. The Dragonslayer is not the only shop selling mead at TRF.
Now, regarding your favorites that might not be performing at TRF... it is not always the decision of the entertainment director to not have an act return. Many acts depart to move on to other venues to increase their audience base and national exposure. Some acts want a lighter schedule. Some acts don't want to perform at the time of year that TRF runs. Some acts break up and move on to other endeavors. Please keep this in mind when you notice that a favorite is no longer performing at TRF.
I'm sorry if the tone of this is direct, but I need to be as matter-of-fact as possible.
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
What many of you may not realize is that all of the shops at TRF are individually owned and operated businesses. The Hacienda San Jorge (Brazilian Restaurant) is owned by Mrs. Giles who is also the owner of all of the food booths in the Spanish area where the Dove Meadow stage is located. So it's not just that simple, turning it into a Viking themed eatery. If a restaurant owner comes to the Festival and proposes such an eatery, then that would most likely be the way it would happen. You want a Viking themed eatery? Buy one of the shops that are for sale and start one up! That's the way to go. :)
I think most of us realize that the shops and eateries are individually owned and operated. However, those businesses and what they do are subject to TRF's approval. So, somebody in management approved a modern non-renfest themed restaurant. (I am also aware that there are other things that push the limits of a renfest theme, but they are at least close. Dragons, fairies, etc were at least in the mythology of the time.)
The Brazillian place has been the one complaint that I've heard consistantly across the board from participants to paytrons.
One other suggestion: bring back some sort of lake view. It seems really strange to me that you have such a large lake immediately behind everything, which is no longer visible from anywhere in the faire (to my knowledge).
Quote from: Fenster on November 28, 2012, 10:36:51 AM
I think most of us realize that the shops and eateries are individually owned and operated. However, those businesses and what they do are subject to TRF's approval. So, somebody in management approved a modern non-renfest themed restaurant. (I am also aware that there are other things that push the limits of a renfest theme, but they are at least close. Dragons, fairies, etc were at least in the mythology of the time.)
The Brazillian place has been the one complaint that I've heard consistantly across the board from participants to paytrons.
If the dancers were costumed in more ancient Amazonian tribal wear, would that make a difference?
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 11:37:59 AM
If the dancers were costumed in more ancient Amazonian tribal wear, would that make a difference?
Maybe, but that would make them topless. :P
To me the Brazilian restaurant is as much of a stretch as would be the inclusion of an American civil war camp. It just doesn't fit and most people think the same way I do. Slippery slope this is starting down IMHO.
The viking idea was forwarded as a way to salvage something out of the place.
Stacy - thanks for stopping by and addressing some of the suggestions. We are fortunate to have you and Terre interact with us here and you both do a fine job. Speaking of fine jobs, the TRF Performance Company was exemplary again this season. Your message explained why there weren't as many cast available to position throughout the jousting arena to sing the final song each night. That's understandable due to the number of personnel available ... I just wish there were more of you because you all do such a fine job. I was fortunate enough to interact with several of the cast. They stayed in character and pleased throngs of patrons. The long hours during faire season and additional hours of practice under the Texas sun prior to opening gate mandates that cast members be strong and resilient. Thanks for all of the hard work. When you get a chance, could you please post the results of the 2012 TRF Performance Company awards so that we may congratulate the winners?
As for specialty acts (like the Medieaval Baebes and others), I'm sure there are complexities involved in scheduling that the average TRF patron would not understand. My suggestion was based upon our faire being larger and more successful than other faires that have booked these acts. TRF has smart, dedicated management who have brought in 115,000+ more customers than last year (which was itself, a record-breaking season). Even with comp passes, one could assume that there might be additional revenue for a special act. Terre recently announced plans to renovate the Falconer's stage and other infrastructure improvements, so we know that he is planning for the future and the numbers show the management team is doing a fine job.
I havn't seen it mentioned, but I hope someone has reported that there was some vandalism (or accidental damage) in the Magic Garden. It looks like someone broke the head/face off one of the camel statues (there is an array of three on the path leading from the privies at the entrance to Sherwood Forest). It also looked like someone broke the tail on the larger of the two unicorn statues. I hope at least the unicorn statue can be repaired properly (but people really shouldn't be sitting on the tail).
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
Regarding mead... I posted several weeks ago about the daily Mead Tasting in the Taverna di Vino. We showcased 8 meads from around the US and Poland, and the show proved to be quite successful. We even sold out of some of the meads we were using in the show and had to scramble to make substitutions the last three weekends. The goal is to make this show on par with our wine tasting and we are looking to have an even wider variety of meads available next year. I believe we had 10 meads available in the shop this year and shop owners must have clearance to sell the items they do. The Dragonslayer is not the only shop selling mead at TRF.
I am not a wine drinker or a mead drinker (I believe that should come as no surprise to anyone here).
Or at least I wasn't. I was coerced into going to the wine tasting (by coerced I mean my Lovely Lady asked me to go) and I was pleasantly surprised. I still don't like reds but I am discovering that there are more of the sweet wines that I like than I ever suspected. I enjoyed the show enough that we immediatly bought tickets for the mead tasting the next night. The happy surprises continued (Chaucers is still horrid BTW). I found several that were quite tasty.
So, the whole point of my making this post was... there is mead at TRF. Lot's of it. You just have to go get it.
And watch the show. It was great! Twice!
Lessons I learned at the wine tasting:
1- Go to the wine tasting every weekend if possible. It's worth it.
2- Do not drink equal amounts of rum between wines.
3-Do not go to POW and have a drinking contest directly afterwards.
It was a long walk to camp after that lol
*Never fear, Rum is still my all time fav. I just have new horizons*
*I wondered why you looked like death warmed over, Sunday...* :D
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 28, 2012, 01:20:05 PM
*I wondered why you looked like death warmed over, Sunday...* :D
It's my fault. ;D
Quote from: Fenster on November 28, 2012, 11:53:33 AM
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 11:37:59 AM
If the dancers were costumed in more ancient Amazonian tribal wear, would that make a difference?
Maybe, but that would make them topless. :P
To me the Brazilian restaurant is as much of a stretch as would be the inclusion of an American civil war camp. It just doesn't fit and most people think the same way I do. Slippery slope this is starting down IMHO.
The viking idea was forwarded as a way to salvage something out of the place.
Ah, but Portuguese exploration of the Amazonian basin is contemporary with our time frame. The Norse occupation of England occurred over 600 years earlier.
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: Fenster on November 28, 2012, 11:53:33 AM
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 11:37:59 AM
If the dancers were costumed in more ancient Amazonian tribal wear, would that make a difference?
Maybe, but that would make them topless. :P
To me the Brazilian restaurant is as much of a stretch as would be the inclusion of an American civil war camp. It just doesn't fit and most people think the same way I do. Slippery slope this is starting down IMHO.
The viking idea was forwarded as a way to salvage something out of the place.
Ah, but Portuguese exploration of the Amazonian basin is contemporary with our time frame. The Norse occupation of England occurred over 600 years earlier.
As long as we are still talking about tall, tanned, slightly ripped women with spears, I am game. Oh, so game.
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 01:57:31 PM
Ah, but Portuguese exploration of the Amazonian basin is contemporary with our time frame. The Norse occupation of England occurred over 600 years earlier.
Did they discover the dubstep music then too? ;)
It's clear you are happy with the fit of that place so I'll stop now as my opinion is clear.
If they played up Renaissance era Portugal with period costumes, music and food it could be a nice twist on TRF and a look towards a major power in that era who often stands in the shadows on England, France, etc. As they do it now, it is a Las Vegas show (that one would likely have to be 18 to enter), with very expensive though merely OK food.
No, I don't think a mead hall would be very period correct either, but at least it would fit in to the general ren / fantasy / barbarian character that TRF has taken on.
QuoteAh, but Portuguese exploration of the Amazonian basin is contemporary with our time frame. The Norse occupation of England occurred over 600 years earlier
I guarantee you they were not dressed like Las Vegas showgirls, nor were they dancing to the music these girls were dancing too. Defend the place all you like but that will not make it any less innappropriate. Perhaps they could indeed change the outfits they were wearing and have them dance to drums and flutes and such so that it would be a little closer to being in the general time period. It may alleviate the complaints.
Quote from: Fenster on November 28, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Did they discover the dubstep music then too? ;)
Is it sad that I don't even know what dubstep is?
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 02:41:39 PM
Is it sad that I don't even know what dubstep is?
I only know because I was told, so don't feel too bad. Techno would be pretty close.
Quote from: Singed on November 28, 2012, 02:33:49 PM
If they played up Renaissance era Portugal with period costumes, music and food it could be a nice twist on TRF and a look towards a major power in that era who often stands in the shadows on England, France, etc. As they do it now, it is a Las Vegas show (that one would likely have to be 18 to enter), with very expensive though merely OK food.
No, I don't think a mead hall would be very period correct either, but at least it would fit in to the general ren / fantasy / barbarian character that TRF has taken on.
I think a mead hall would be wonderful, personally. And I too, being one who is a lover of period costuming, would relish period correct costumes. We had some guest performers in from Peru in 2000, Sayaka I believe their name was, and they were absolutely wonderful. They played native music that was just zen to sit and listen to. And they wore native costumes that were totally in place. One of my girlfriends, a fellow performer, has an Aztec princess ready to go. I can't wait to see her bring her out to TRF.
Trust me, as a long time performer, I've had personal opinions, some positive, some not so positive, on many aspects of TRF. There have been things that have had me scratching my head and saying to myself, "WTF?" I've just learned that it's better to look at the big picture and accept that things are they way they are. Sound systems are of course not period, but have enhanced the enjoyment of many of the stage shows, including Tartanic which plays decidedly NON period music. I see no one voicing objection about them.
In the end though, it's still George's sandbox, and his call.
Oh, and I should say this as well, since many of you don't know me. I am a contracted performer just like any other performer out at TRF, I just happen to be privileged to work directly for Jeff Baldwin as his assistant director for the performance company, and as such, I am tasked during the off season and rehearsal with assisting with casting ideas, attending auditions and leading the exercises there, to instructing improv, acting, character and scripting classes during rehearsals, and then performing in the lanes during the run of the show. I also co-host the wine tastings and the mead tasting.
But I am always open to questions and am more than happy to answer those that I am able.
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
For tiberiusflynn. I am sorry that you were shorted on performance company interaction this season. We are smaller in number than we have ever been and we are stretched VERY thin. We are also one of the strongest performance companies that TRF has ever had. Actors are assigned to one area for the day according to their nationality groups (this is directly from the owner) and with the extreme number of patrons we had in the park this year, performers are stretched pretty thin. I am sure that anyone you saw sitting was probably just trying to catch their breath and give their poor feet a break for a few minutes. We are dressed and ready to go by 8:00 a.m. and our day is not complete (re: we are not off the clock) until after the fireworks at 8:00 p.m. 12 hour days of performing for and interacting with thousands and thousands of people, with very limited breaks, is utterly exhausting both physically and mentally. Trying to navigate those crowds getting to and from required scheduled events should be an Olympic sport in and of itself. We also have to take into consideration the vendors around us and not impede on their ability to conduct business. A loud path show right in front of a shop or vendor's tent will most likely draw people out of their place of commerce and then we will have a very angry shop owner. The same is true for specialty acts and stage acts. Trust me when I say that we do our DAMNEDEST to make sure we entertain as many as possible, but with a limited number of people, we can only entertain so many. We have the 8 themed weekend groups with about 6 to 7 people each, England, Spain, France, Robin Hood and the Puppeteers, again, with 6 to 7 members each. That's less than 100 people in the performance company proper.
Thank you for responding to my post. Again, I was not attempting to offend and I hope it didn't seem so.
I am very much aware of the schedule of a Performer at Faire as I have worked it myself at TRF. And, who knows, maybe I'm just expecting too much.
I was unaware of you being short company this year though, add to that the increased attendance would make things overstretched.
Though again, it something I've noticed for more than just this year. And to be fair, I noticed it at Scarby as well. (and received a similiar response, lol) So, maybe I'm just expecting too much, or maybe I just always happen to notice performers right when they are sitting down talking (or napping). But after going 8 times in a year and not having any interaction? I dunno. Way back in Sherwood is the where I ever have the most interaction....
Maybe more performers are needed (though how to get more to audition would be an issue) or maybe less scheduled events to allow time for interaction.
Although maybe it's possible that the performers interact more with muggles and less with patrons that are fully dressed and in character as it's obvious we are already "interacting" at fair.
I am not sure. I was just stating my observations which may be entirely erroneous.
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
Regarding mead... I posted several weeks ago about the daily Mead Tasting in the Taverna di Vino. We showcased 8 meads from around the US and Poland, and the show proved to be quite successful. We even sold out of some of the meads we were using in the show and had to scramble to make substitutions the last three weekends. The goal is to make this show on par with our wine tasting and we are looking to have an even wider variety of meads available next year. I believe we had 10 meads available in the shop this year and shop owners must have clearance to sell the items they do. The Dragonslayer is not the only shop selling mead at TRF.
I was unaware of the mead tasting as I frequent this forum irregularly. I am glad that there will be a larger selection of mead next year though as I traversed to many different shops to find good mead and was usually met with poor results. I look forward to next year in this regards.
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
Now, regarding your favorites that might not be performing at TRF... it is not always the decision of the entertainment director to not have an act return. Many acts depart to move on to other venues to increase their audience base and national exposure. Some acts want a lighter schedule. Some acts don't want to perform at the time of year that TRF runs. Some acts break up and move on to other endeavors. Please keep this in mind when you notice that a favorite is no longer performing at TRF.
I'm sorry if the tone of this is direct, but I need to be as matter-of-fact as possible.
I was just stating that certain "favorites" are also many many other's certain favorites as well as being highly acclaimed in many circles and by not being at what should be the pinnacle of Ren Faires it is found highly lamentable.
As to this, I understand that there are all kinds of politics behind the scenes that we are not aware of and in the end it will be about the bottom dollar.
Again, thank you for your response.
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 02:53:11 PM
There have been things that have had me scratching my head and saying to myself, "WTF?"
What
The
Faire, right???
;D
Stalk well...
Agree on the Medaeaval Baebes. I'd do my darnest to try & visit Faire if they were coming for a weekend.
I have to be honest & say that in the 4-5 years we've visited TRF (at least once a season) we've never had a cast interaction. It was something we really noticed after the second or third visit.
I'm a cast member, have been since 2001. There's probably half as many of us right now as there were then. I interact with patrons all day (the Old Lady is strangely personable), and most days I don't even make a dent.
Let's say that in my 12 hours on site each day, I do nothing but hold a five-minute conversation with every patron I can get to stand still long enough to talk for five minutes. In an hour, that's 12 patrons. In a 12-hour day, that's 144 patrons. Even if each patron is actually a couple, that's less than 300 people I can hit personally. The odds that I will hit a specific patron are minuscule.
So yeah, it's not surprising that a given patron sees no cast. 130 of us, 40,000 patrons.
("Hit" as in "interact with," not "take my skillet to." The frying pan is reserved for Smash.)
Quote from: The Old Lady on November 28, 2012, 07:15:52 PM
I'm a cast member, have been since 2001. There's probably half as many of us right now as there were then. I interact with patrons all day (the Old Lady is strangely personable), and most days I don't even make a dent.
Let's say that in my 12 hours on site each day, I do nothing but hold a five-minute conversation with every patron I can get to stand still long enough to talk for five minutes. In an hour, that's 12 patrons. In a 12-hour day, that's 144 patrons. Even if each patron is actually a couple, that's less than 300 people I can hit personally. The odds that I will hit a specific patron are minuscule.
So yeah, it's not surprising that a given patron sees no cast. 130 of us, 40,000 patrons.
("Hit" as in "interact with," not "take my skillet to." The frying pan is reserved for Smash.)
And when put that way 140 vs. 40,000, then it can be easy for one to miss and interaction. I agree. One can only do so much. And really it almost seems pointless....140 vs. 40,000......
But then this almost begs the question...is a perfomance cast needed at all?
I mean, if one can go 8 times in a year....and recieve no interaction even once. Is it needed?
And by that I mean, if I wasn't expecting interaction......would I even wonder about it at all? Would patrons still come to ren faire anyways? As it's possible to never experience it, I would assume that it's possible to run faire without the performers at all and the bottom dollar would be the same if not more since you wouldn't be paying for performers.
For a small faire...yes, you need to have performers as they're needed.
But for TRF or other very large faires.....are the performers kept for nostaglia sake from when the faire wasn't as crowded and interaction was a given?
I hope this question is not seen in bad taste, I'm honestly just wondering.
I, too, have never interacted with lane performer at TRF, at least not that I know of.
Usually I either have a child in tow and am on a trek to somewhere or I am myself the one being towed along with others.
My first time at Scarby I was addressed by a countess, but until someone told me, I did not actually realize it was a performer and not just another patron.
Being always in garb, there have been several times when I was involved in interaction with other patrons and often asked by mundanes for photos, more than once turning down tips by newcomers who apparently thought I was on cast.
I agree with others that the lack of interaction is mostly because of the huge discorporate ratio between actors and customers. Just a matter of numbers, and it may be easier for actors to interact with mundanes, particularly when there are children involved.
Quote from: The Old Lady on November 28, 2012, 07:15:52 PM
I'm a cast member, have been since 2001. There's probably half as many of us right now as there were then. I interact with patrons all day (the Old Lady is strangely personable), and most days I don't even make a dent.
Let's say that in my 12 hours on site each day, I do nothing but hold a five-minute conversation with every patron I can get to stand still long enough to talk for five minutes. In an hour, that's 12 patrons. In a 12-hour day, that's 144 patrons. Even if each patron is actually a couple, that's less than 300 people I can hit personally. The odds that I will hit a specific patron are minuscule.
So yeah, it's not surprising that a given patron sees no cast. 130 of us, 40,000 patrons.
("Hit" as in "interact with," not "take my skillet to." The frying pan is reserved for Smash.)
Keep in mind that some of that time is spent on the proclamations. :P And then you have people who are afraid to pay attention to you, because they expect you're selling something, or, because there is so much to do in so little time, they're hurrying to the next show they want to see.
And I didn't know that the cast did more than walk around and look cool until I started dating a cast member. I realize the bits are supposed to seem spontaneous, but surely there's a way to bring more attention to the fruits of all their hard work. Maybe including in the program where one is most likely to see certain characters would help?
I would personally keep the performers. They do add touches that make it a more enjoyable experience. The Transylvanian Court hanging off the side of a building, the King playing golf, singers in the lanes, etc, all create real characters that patrons like to stop and watch. Just because I didn't have a chat with a historical character doesn't mean that I won't miss them. I did decline an invitation to dance with the Germans so I could run to the car though.
And to drag this to this thread:
Quote from: The Old Lady on November 28, 2012, 07:18:35 PM
When I joined the barbarians in 2001, the front gate was still a functional wall. Kiva, Taarna, and I scaled the wall every day and misbehaved picturesquely. One day, I got a patron to give me his half-eaten turkey leg (he was about to trash it), and I tied it to my quarterstaff and we went patron-fishing.
The front gate is no longer sturdy enough to stand on. I am dying to get it reinforced so the Horde can get back up there.
Yes please.
I can't remember a visit to Scarby when there was no interaction, however slight, with a member of cast. I think it is important to note that the cast interactions are going to be more targeted toward the muggles, in order to "bring them into the fold."
That said, however, if the TRF cast isn't 2-3 times the size of Scarborough, I'd have to question why? Of the faires I've attended, cast depth is greatest at Scarborough, and possibly Sherwood, although I'm not certain yet how to ascertain who is and is not cast at Sherwood.
Quote from: PollyPoPo on November 28, 2012, 07:39:53 PM
I, too, have never interacted with lane performer at TRF, at least not that I know of.
I would love to see a bigger cast at TRF since it is should a large faire and its easly for cast to get swamped but I must say than most weekends I visit I have had interaction with the cast. Some times its just a quick hello but many times it's much more. I have to say this season I enjoyed a good conversation with members of the Transylvanian Court.
When I first started at TRF as one of the barbarians 22 years ago, it was as an unpaid extra of sorts. I got a pass in exchange for being a street character hanging with Toruk, Lumpy, Tiny, Kryll, etc. Back then, it was 20% acts and events, 80% wandering the streets engaging patrons. While I would love to see it go back to that, I also understand that the edict that changed that came down from George himself, and is nigh unchallengable.
Quote from: Breandan on November 28, 2012, 11:58:37 PM
When I first started at TRF as one of the barbarians 22 years ago, it was as an unpaid extra of sorts. I got a pass in exchange for being a street character hanging with Toruk, Lumpy, Tiny, Kryll, etc. Back then, it was 20% acts and events, 80% wandering the streets engaging patrons. While I would love to see it go back to that, I also understand that the edict that changed that came down from George himself, and is nigh unchallengable.
I'm sure that it would be relatively easy to dragoon a large handful of playtrons to interact with people in the lanes... I've done this myself when people ask for pictures and whatnot. Most of us would do it for s**ts and giggles since we're there already. ;)
*Messing with Danes can be entertaining* ;D
tiberiusflynn I hear you. Being assigned to an area for the majority of the day means that we are entertaining in that area and our ability to roam is limited. There are also places we will not go because they are not really appropriate areas for us. The Sea Devil is not really a place for cast to entertain. The Pirates are there already and most people are busy with their friends already. Also, we have minors on cast and they must have an adult with them at all times, so if members of a group are out of their area for a show, or to take a bathroom break, then someone must stay with that performer.
Performers are indeed more likely to interact with folks who are not in costume, because we are assured that they are patrons, which is why we are there. We learn to read our audience and make the obvious entertaining choices and if that means choosing people we can be reasonably sure are paying customers and not someone already there working in a shop, then that's what we'll do. It's not a slight on anyone, of course, just choices we are making to ensure we are doing what we are there to do.
When were you a performer and what were you doing?
Quote from: tiberiusflynn on November 28, 2012, 04:36:12 PM
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
Regarding mead... I posted several weeks ago about the daily Mead Tasting in the Taverna di Vino. We showcased 8 meads from around the US and Poland, and the show proved to be quite successful. We even sold out of some of the meads we were using in the show and had to scramble to make substitutions the last three weekends. The goal is to make this show on par with our wine tasting and we are looking to have an even wider variety of meads available next year. I believe we had 10 meads available in the shop this year and shop owners must have clearance to sell the items they do. The Dragonslayer is not the only shop selling mead at TRF.
I was unaware of the mead tasting as I frequent this forum irregularly. I am glad that there will be a larger selection of mead next year though as I traversed to many different shops to find good mead and was usually met with poor results. I look forward to next year in this regards.
The Taverna di Vino, it's across from the Glassblower's Shop. Stop in next year and inquire about the mead tasting. DO IT!
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 29, 2012, 06:34:19 AM....When were you a performer and what were you doing?
I'm not sure who that question was aimed at, but if it was aimed at me, I have never been on cast anywhere.
Since I have not been to TRF for so many years, I cannot speak knowledgeably of its current status or conditions. I
have been to other faires where there was almost
no cast, or at least it appeared so with parades that were over almost before they began. The pageantry of Scarborough's parade is extremely impressive, and the standard upon which I base opinion of other parades, and estimate of cast size.
My only general comment after walking the fair for four days during season is that it is too quiet. What I mean by that is that most of your large musical acts are dwindling. With the loss of Wine and Alchemy now (before people comment, Mark, Neil, Alex and Jake left the band on their own accord and for their own reasons so this is not TRF's decision), there are not that many powerful musical acts anymore. You really only have Tartanic and Cast in Bronze. I know there are several other smaller acts like Crannog, Istanpitta, Etc., but they are better suited for smaller stages and just do not draw the crowds like larger, more energetic bands. (Modification: Just to clarify, I do like these smaller acts. So I am not suggesting replacing them at all. I just think that they do not have the stage presence to draw in larger crowds of people or the sustained energy to keep the average person's attention. I personally have bought their music and enjoy their talent.)
I hope that the fair is planning on bringing back or finding some new music with energy behind them. Think the Wine and Alchemy or Circa Paleo level bands. As a musician, that is what has always drawn me to TRF along with the historical elements like the armory (which is also not anywhere near its former glory now). I also know many patrons were telling me the same thing after they went this year. I am not trying to be insulting to the other acts, but more people I talk to seem to enjoy music more than anything else. Music also draws people into the areas of fair like the German area and Sherwood. I think the average person catches music on the air and follows it more quickly than a stage act. For the first time ever at the fair, I felt bored after five hours into the day and for me, it is because of this fact. Just my two cents after spending a few days out there.
I did notice all the improvements. The Globe Stage is amazing. I just hope that in the rush to expand the infrastructure, you do not lose the soul of the fair. The improvements may make the place visually stimulating, but your cast and acts bring it to life...
Merlin, that was for tiberiusflynn.
Second what Chris B said about lack of music hearable in the lanes. I didn't realize it at the time but knew something was missing - it was the music.
It's a fine line to walk having music that carries throughout the faire without stepping on the sounds of the smaller, more intimate groups.
The TRF Performance Company interacts with patrons in more than one-on-one scenarios. I've seen dozens of people entertained at a time by the antics of the various courts. The "spontaneous" fights between members of the various courts have been known to draw hundreds of patrons. The cast does a great job making sure people in the general vicinity know that a conflict is about to take place, and you need to get there soon (or be as tall as Valt) to get good pictures. :) The fae court (Fantasy Realm) entertain several children at a time while their parents take photos. I've seen members of the German court running around with kids for several minutes at a time. The Barbarians are always up to something and the peasants do bits over a large area of TRF (I think they are allowed to roam). These folks (as well as the courts I have not mentioned) entertain several passers-by at a time. I'm sure they are doing their best to greet patrons with a bit of fantsy during their day at New Market Village.
Anyone who has not witnessed the Royal Celebration (I think it is also known as Evening Proclamation) is really missing out on a treat. Performance Company members, after many hours of entertaining the crowds, gather to put on a grand show filled with skits, dancing and singing. Then on to a final performance after the fireworks.
Jeff and Stacy do a great job with the cast. I hope TRF management will see our comments and increase the size of the Performance Company this next season.
Quote from: Chris B on November 29, 2012, 07:47:22 AM
With the loss of Wine and Alchemy now
Are you sure they're leaving? I knew Mark was, but just two days ago they were posting on their Facebook confirming they'd be at Sherwood. Turnover can be quite high within renfaire groups, but often the group itself continues.
Quote from: Endestroy on November 29, 2012, 10:14:47 AM
Quote from: Chris B on November 29, 2012, 07:47:22 AM
With the loss of Wine and Alchemy now
Are you sure they're leaving? I knew Mark was, but just two days ago they were posting on their Facebook confirming they'd be at Sherwood. Turnover can be quite high within renfaire groups, but often the group itself continues.
I know that Roxanna is going to try to continue as "Wine and Alchemy", but none of the men will be there anymore. It is basically her starting over. Mark has left the circuit all together and is taking some time off to pursue other things. Neil will be working at the Henna booth at Sherwood and TRF, but has no plans to perform anymore. Alex has returned to Cantiga. Jake IS playing with her at Sherwood this season, but then he is travelling with Circa Paleo after that.
We shall just have to wait and see what Roxanna does, but whatever results will not be the same band. I have no idea what she will do on her own as she is just getting started. Her plans are to continue the "Wine and Alchemy" name, but she has already left Scarborough. I am not sure whether she will elect to return to TRF or whether TRF will elect to renew a contract with her knowing that the rest of the band is gone. Time will tell.
Having played with them and having a better understanding of the workings of the group and behind the scenes, I just do not see the same energy/passion within the group that was there before regardless. There are other musicians out there that are very talented, but it will never truly be W&A again. With all that said, I will definitely be out at Sherwood to support my friends and see what she comes up with.
There's interaction if you know where to look...
(http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/Drewb1967/IMG951496.jpg)
*I wasn't worried about the sword... it was the brick Warcat had, under her dress, i was waiting on!*
I have never had a problem interacting with the cast. Of course, StudMuffin does draw people to him. One year Anne Bolyn proclamed him "a Noble Steed". Another year King Henry even commented on him. Then there was the time the Transylvanian Court wanted to eat StudMuffin. I have even had cast member drop out of the procession briefly for a greeting. Of course, after 20+ years, maybe I am being recognized. (Fame or infamy?)
But, even when I went as a 'dane, the cast was always friendly. One time a Lady of the Court gave me a mission to carry her favour to the Captain of the Kings Guards (Took most of the day but I had a ball tracking him down).
I suspect the cast will interact with a person if they see it would be welcome. Looking like you are too busy or hurrying elsewhere would make it less likely. Same thing at Scarby.
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 29, 2012, 06:34:19 AM
When were you a performer and what were you doing?
I last worked at faire back in 2001. I was a hawker and performer for Arsene. Actually the only male he's ever been able to fit into his sword box, haha. I was a scotsman back then. THe next year I was hired on as one of the King's Men, but for certain reasons I could not continue on that year.
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 01:52:27 PM
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 28, 2012, 01:20:05 PM
*I wondered why you looked like death warmed over, Sunday...* :D
It's my fault. ;D
Sunday I was just exhausted from the extra faire day.
As it stands I have not had a hangover in over 20 years.
Had one then, didn't like it. So I just don't have them anymore.
That being said I will admit to still being a bit tipsy EVERY morning of faire. And yes Tudor Diva... it was ALL your fault.
*nothing to do with the rum at camp each night after faire*
When I first started attending in '77, there wasn't so much music because the place was still newish. By the time I started workinh there in the '90, there was music everywhere providing a wonderful background. Wyndnwyre, I Madrigali, The Corsairs, & a whole host of others. Slowly, they have left or been forced out, & the place has grown quieter. Some of the newer groups I have never seen because their stages are too far from my shop to get to on break. Lately all I have heard is the wonderful Gypsy Guerilla Band & the Pirate Pub sing. Like I said, quiet.
I certainly hope Wine and Alchemy continues is some format, I also fervently hope Circa Paleo comes back to TRF
I was actually quite impressed with the cast interaction that we saw and experienced, especially considering the ratio of cast to patrons. We were there merely five minutes, and a magician stopped to us and talked for a good 10 minutes, telling us about different pubs and shoppes and the overwhelming sights around us. He was pleasant, and in no hurry; and he made it seem like he had nothing better to do than to sit with us all day long and chat. My husband was stopped by the French King and one of his court, and soundly thrashed for not holding my hand. Again, we conversed and joked with them for awhile. We watched the Transylvanian court interact with tons of people... we were in that area for awhile. We also spoke with a few other members here and there, from various courts. And everywhere we looked, even if we weren't directly interacting, someone was.
I have to agree with AngieT. I have always had quite a bit of cast interaction every time that I have been. I guess I just have an approachable smile. Though I haven't been goosed by a wench in quite some time(in the 90's this seemed to happen at least once per visit). I brought a faire newbie with me during AHE and she loved all of the attention that the cast gave her. They now have a fan for life in her, so I say excellent job this year. I would like to see more cast members in the lanes and I did notice that the faire seemed much quieter than in the many previous years visits. The one real suggestion that I have is please please please get some new material for some of the acts. It is to the point that I don't even go to many of the shows anymore because it is the same thing year after year.
Quote from: Batonrogue on December 05, 2012, 10:24:50 AMThe one real suggestion that I have is please please please get some new material for some of the acts. It is to the point that I don't even go to many of the shows anymore because it is the same thing year after year.
I couldn't agree more (*wave to Ded Bob*). I was caught out by this incorrect expectation though regarding a couple of shows this year, the jousting and belly dancing. Saw some photos after the fact of each that were just amazing, and was disappointed to have missed it when I was there due to the assumption that it hadn't changed.
Quote from: Riff Raff on December 05, 2012, 02:54:55 PM
I couldn't agree more (*wave to Ded Bob*). I was caught out by this incorrect expectation though regarding a couple of shows this year, the jousting and belly dancing. Saw some photos after the fact of each that were just amazing, and was disappointed to have missed it when I was there due to the assumption that it hadn't changed.
This happened to me with jousting. However, in a complete 180, Sound and Fury was alternating two shows every day. Then they announced development on a new show for next year. Now we will never be satisfied with anything less!
S & F are constantly working on new bits for their current shows AND completely new shows. They also do shows that aren't really ren-related.
Quote from: Batonrogue on December 05, 2012, 10:24:50 AM
The one real suggestion that I have is please please please get some new material for some of the acts. It is to the point that I don't even go to many of the shows anymore because it is the same thing year after year.
Most stage acts are independent acts and the faire has little to no say over the content of their shows. The only control that the faire has is the ability to bring an act back or to not do so, and when an act doesn't come back (no matter WHAT the reason is) all that happens is that people whine and complain that the act isn't there. So it really is a Catch-22 for the faires. You can bring in new acts with new material to satisfy the people who say that the stage acts are always the same, or you can keep the same stage acts to satisfy the people who complain about every change, no matter how minute. I'm just glad that I'm not Faire Management at any faire, because always having to hear people complain no matter WHAT I did would drive me B**SH** crazy! (At least, crazier than I already am! *snerk*)
Also remember that we here are a small sample. WE may have heard the acts 100 times but the 50K others that come that day may not have heard it even once. So who does the artist need to please?
Quote from: ravic on December 06, 2012, 09:33:18 AM
Also remember that we here are a small sample. WE may have heard the acts 100 times but the 50K others that come that day may not have heard it even once. So who does the artist need to please?
Ideally, a little bit of both. Realistically, having sold merchandise for an act, and observed the tipping habits of folks, WE are the ones who actually stay around to the end of the show, and through the hat pass, and WE are the ones who know and understand just how important that bit is. The average patron coming through the gate often makes the assumption that the act is compensated extremely well by the venue, and doesn't "need" tips. There are acts that I can practically quote verbatim, but I still enjoy the show, and make an effort to show my appreciation.
Quote from: lys1022 on December 05, 2012, 11:37:21 PM
Quote from: Batonrogue on December 05, 2012, 10:24:50 AM
The one real suggestion that I have is please please please get some new material for some of the acts. It is to the point that I don't even go to many of the shows anymore because it is the same thing year after year.
Most stage acts are independent acts and the faire has little to no say over the content of their shows. The only control that the faire has is the ability to bring an act back or to not do so, and when an act doesn't come back (no matter WHAT the reason is) all that happens is that people whine and complain that the act isn't there. So it really is a Catch-22 for the faires. You can bring in new acts with new material to satisfy the people who say that the stage acts are always the same, or you can keep the same stage acts to satisfy the people who complain about every change, no matter how minute. I'm just glad that I'm not Faire Management at any faire, because always having to hear people complain no matter WHAT I did would drive me B**SH** crazy! (At least, crazier than I already am! *snerk*)
I think you hit the nail on the head. I can certainly understand with comedy acts that completely changing an act from year to year is risky, but with the touring, surely they can be writing new gags, and trying them out over the tour. By the time they come back around, there's a whole new act.
Yes, there have been some that we liked and they left, but in reality, it was time. The same schtick every year doesn't bring the crowds back, with some exceptions.
The music acts SHOULD be a lot easier to change up, yet some play the same stuff EVERY performance.
I, for one, don't mind the change.
I want to know who decided that every bagpipe band is absolutely required to play Amazing Grace for every single show. ???
I'd like to single out Iris & Rose as being particularly good regarding changing up their material. They always make it a point to not repeat the same song for more than one show on the same day, and frequently the same weekend. Of course it helps if you have a catalogue as large as theirs!
Quote from: Riff Raff on December 07, 2012, 12:42:33 PM
I want to know who decided that every bagpipe band is absolutely required to play Amazing Grace for every single show. ???
I'd like to single out Iris & Rose as being particularly good regarding changing up their material. They always make it a point to not repeat the same song for more than one show on the same day, and frequently the same weekend. Of course it helps if you have a catalogue as large as theirs!
I don't go to shows all that often, but I know Tartanic will sometimes play it in honor of a fallen friend of several of ours when they see us. It is usually in the lanes or after closing cannon in front of gate when they do though.
Tartanic will acknowledge that Amazing Grace is THE requested song before they play, sometimes tongue in cheek. It also is how they end their after-faire performance. However, they keep putting out CDs with new music but don't always play the new stuff.
Quote from: Riff Raff on December 07, 2012, 12:42:33 PM
I want to know who decided that every bagpipe band is absolutely required to play Amazing Grace for every single show. ???
Basically, the people that listen to pipe bands! 'Amazing Grace' and 'Scotland The Brave' are the most requested tunes for most pipers and bands. After that it's a mix of 'Garry Owen', 'A Nation Once Again', 'Pressed for Time', 'The Clumsy Lover', 'The Gael', and lately 'Mull of Kintyre'.
Quote from: nolekhan on December 09, 2012, 05:01:50 PM
Tartanic will acknowledge that Amazing Grace is THE requested song before they play, sometimes tongue in cheek. It also is how they end their after-faire performance. However, they keep putting out CDs with new music but don't always play the new stuff.
Tartanic have quite a catalogue of music, but seem to play the same songs every show. They also need to play more music and talk less.
I think there should be more music. One should never be able to stroll a lane at faire without hearing music IMO.
Keep in mind as well, that while a group may have an extensive collection of CDs, with a great variety of music on them, that the overwhelming majority of those are STUDIO cds, rather than live ones, thus they have more versatility as far as additional instrumentation (even without adding additional musicians), and there is a limit to what is reasonably playable in a (largely) acoustic venue such as faire, simply because 2 pipers and 2 drummers can ONLY manage so many notes, even if the chanters are different keys.
Quote from: raevyncait on December 10, 2012, 08:21:31 AM
Keep in mind as well, that while a group may have an extensive collection of CDs, with a great variety of music on them, that the overwhelming majority of those are STUDIO cds, rather than live ones, thus they have more versatility as far as additional instrumentation (even without adding additional musicians), and there is a limit to what is reasonably playable in a (largely) acoustic venue such as faire, simply because 2 pipers and 2 drummers can ONLY manage so many notes, even if the chanters are different keys.
True, but in the past Tartanic has played these additional songs.
Quote from: ravic on December 06, 2012, 09:33:18 AM
Also remember that we here are a small sample. WE may have heard the acts 100 times but the 50K others that come that day may not have heard it even once. So who does the artist need to please?
This is true.....
From a statistical standpoint, it would be interesting to see how many visitors were first-timers, and how many were return patrons. While I agree with what you say, Ravic, if after 10 years an act hasn't gotten any new material, they need to go elsewhere and seek a new audience...
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on December 11, 2012, 06:17:37 PM
From a statistical standpoint, it would be interesting to see how many visitors were first-timers, and how many were return patrons. While I agree with what you say, Ravic, if after 10 years an act hasn't gotten any new material, they need to go elsewhere and seek a new audience...
I think what would be really interesting is to see the gate numbers compared to ticket sales. The numbers through the gates really do not mean anything when so many free passes were given away. A first time patron that only came because they had free tickets is not going to be a good prediction of whether they will pay to return next year. A more telling sign for the future health of the fair would be to see the revenue stream and the gross margin from year to year for the fair. If revenue is not increasing along with the numbers through the gate, all the fair is doing in giving out so many tickets is increasing traffic, congestion and bodies inside the park.
Quote from: Chris B on December 12, 2012, 07:39:47 AM
I think what would be really interesting is to see the gate numbers compared to ticket sales. The numbers through the gates really do not mean anything when so many free passes were given away. A first time patron that only came because they had free tickets is not going to be a good prediction of whether they will pay to return next year. A more telling sign for the future health of the fair would be to see the revenue stream and the gross margin from year to year for the fair. If revenue is not increasing along with the numbers through the gate, all the fair is doing in giving out so many tickets is increasing traffic, congestion and bodies inside the park.
Excellent suggestion.
I had heard that the faire flooded the streets with comp tickets this year. It only makes sense that on the very last day everyone still holding a free ticket would show up. Hence the record breaking attendance. My coworker was one of those who had free tickets and this is exactly what they did. He is not a fan of the faire but takes his kids because they enjoy it. Other than food and some games for the kids, he is not the kind that will keep the shop keepers in business.
I do love statistics. Funny how they can be manipulated for effect. I work with data and statistics on a daily basis, and you'd be surprised how important the qualification of the data are in determining the true manner in which things are affected.
We trade media and donate tickets to many organization who raise money for worthy causes. We give tickets to our vendors so they can get friends and family in the gate. We give ticket to VIP guests and media to help with PR. We controlled the number of comps by issuing 33% less this year and 50% less from 2010. Considering we had less comps this year than last we still increased attendance by over 100,000 new guests (paid). The problem that no one has talked about is they were all valid on Sunday only. So instead of 17 days our comp came in 8 and many on the last Sundays. We live and learn and will adjust for next year. Thanks for the support and constructive advice.
i worked near the Odeon stage and i thought the Translvanian cast was the best i had seen in years and enjoyed seeing them interact with patrons everyday. Just saying.
QuoteArchery Contest. Several faires do this, TRF would benefit from holding one as well. I'd say review the faires that currently hold such tourneys and see how they do it (both out front and behind the scenes) and see if this would be feasible.
I suggested this back in a seperate thread during the summer. Even sent an email to TRF, but never received a response.
Don't know if it's feasible or not but how about hosting a highland games in the campgrounds during the off season. The Houston Highland Games are/were held mid May but the draw hasn't been there for the past few years; to the point where they didn't have it at all last year. I'm thinking part of that may have been marketing because I didn't really see anything posted about it until it was canceled. If TRF held the event in the campgrounds it may draw more people if you make it a camping weekend event. You could draw from local vendors that don't travel the fair circuit and bring back a really great event.
http://www.houstonhighlandgames.com/
Quote from: LadyJessica on December 14, 2012, 10:15:42 AM
Don't know if it's feasible or not but how about hosting a highland games in the campgrounds during the off season. The Houston Highland Games are/were held mid May but the draw hasn't been there for the past few years; to the point where they didn't have it at all last year. I'm thinking party of that may have been marketing because I didn't really see anything posted about it until it was canceled. If TRF held the event in the campgrounds it may draw more people if you make it a camping weekend event. You could draw from local vendors that don't travel the fair circuit and bring back a really great event.
http://www.houstonhighlandgames.com/
Now THAT is an awesome idea!! We would attend! I know of several who would from Houston but also from other cities.
Quote from: LadyJessica on December 14, 2012, 10:15:42 AM
Don't know if it's feasible or not but how about hosting a highland games in the campgrounds during the off season. The Houston Highland Games are/were held mid May but the draw hasn't been there for the past few years; to the point where they didn't have it at all last year. I'm thinking party of that may have been marketing because I didn't really see anything posted about it until it was canceled. If TRF held the event in the campgrounds it may draw more people if you make it a camping weekend event. You could draw from local vendors that don't travel the fair circuit and bring back a really great event.
http://www.houstonhighlandgames.com/
You can ask Zardoz (Mark B.) for more details, but I believe one of the main reasons that the Houston Highland Games hasn't been held the last two years, was that the amount of corporate sponsorship dropped quite a bit when the economy went into recession. There may have also been some issues within the group's management team. Things are looking up, since the 2013 event is scheduled for April 27 & 28, 2013.
Take Care,
David Baldock
Quote from: dbaldock on December 14, 2012, 04:15:22 PM
Quote from: LadyJessica on December 14, 2012, 10:15:42 AM
Don't know if it's feasible or not but how about hosting a highland games in the campgrounds during the off season. The Houston Highland Games are/were held mid May but the draw hasn't been there for the past few years; to the point where they didn't have it at all last year. I'm thinking party of that may have been marketing because I didn't really see anything posted about it until it was canceled. If TRF held the event in the campgrounds it may draw more people if you make it a camping weekend event. You could draw from local vendors that don't travel the fair circuit and bring back a really great event.
http://www.houstonhighlandgames.com/
You can ask Zardoz (Mark B.) for more details, but I believe one of the main reasons that the Houston Highland Games hasn't been held the last two years, was that the amount of corporate sponsorship dropped quite a bit when the economy went into recession. There may have also been some issues within the group's management team. Things are looking up, since the 2013 event is scheduled for April 27 & 28, 2013.
Take Care,
David Baldock
Well, to sum it up "issues" and politics within the events management were mostly to blame. But as you say, the 2013 games are scheduled for April 27 & 28, 2013.
Quote from: Fenster on October 29, 2012, 10:01:10 AM
Secondly the sit down eatery should have the entertainment changed to fit. The Brazilian dancers and their music is not even in the "stretching things" category that other things at TRF are.
OMG, DON'T mess with those shaking Brazillian Booty's going a million miles an hour. That was the most entertaining show at TRF this year. Nope, wasn't exactly Renaissance, but who cares. It was very enjoyable. Like the photo sessions afterwards too!
Hey now, Brazil was claimed by Portugal in 1500! ;D
Quote from: LadyJessica on November 04, 2012, 10:59:43 AM
Quote from: Breandan on October 25, 2012, 11:57:33 PM
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Bring Back the Crane- The old hamster-wheel stonemason's crane (http://4eyes.code66.se/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/meca1-01.jpg) sits in the Boneyard by the railroad tracks aging and languishing. If it is structurally sound enough, I say find a place for that sucker so that the kids can see how things were lifted and how walls and such were built in the medieval and renaissance periods. That was one of the things I saw when I first attended faire that blew me away, and I loved it. I'd work that puppy and do demos on it myself if I had to in order to see that thing come back, it would be a magnificent educational opportunity.
Anyway, there's my ideas for consideration :)
Here's my idea and it would tie in with some of the things already posted. Have a living history "town" with stone masons, a blacksmith, farmer, ect. really showing how life really was back then...not just the festival portion. Let it be one of the major attractions at the school days events so they can really learn about it. I'm sure that you could probably find several people that would love to help you run it.
This is a wonderful idea! The effects of Living History in the realm of education is actually the basis of my Masters thesis. It is not a new concept, but has been slowly gaining momentum over the past decade. Not only can Living History (when used as a teaching tool) positively influence the ability of students to use historical thinking (i.e. critical analysis of historical facts, decisions, consequences), but it also creates a stimulating learning environment. This, in turn, can have positive effects on information retention and subject interest. My research has been geared toward making Living History part of the standard ISD curriculum. By creating this new component of the faire, it will not only provide a service to the ISD administrations, but can also assist in increasing visitation, foot traffic, and overall revenue for the faire and its retailers. There is a a plus for education as well as for marketing, publicity, etc.
Something for those really hot days in October - misting stations like Scarborough has & Hawkwood used to have. Given the size of TRF, you might need 2 or 3 strategically placed.
* A LOT more benches and places to just sit and watch people come and go.
* More Bands. (Especially Bagpipe Bands)
* Smoking Banishment.
* More and varied Belly Dancer groups. ;D (Star Dancers from Scarborough)
* Cheaper Turkey Legs. Five bucks is enough!
* Did I mention an Archery contest?
Hmmm... if i were you, i wouldn't walk too far down that "smoking banishment" road. I can agree to areas, like when the burn ban was in effect but...
A few years ago during one visit I got pulled into a dance lesson bit that was being held in the lanes... It turned out to be my favorite memory of faire in the last few years. It was a great way to get patrons caught up in the silliness of faire. Is that act still around? I think that act and maybe more like it would do well to answer the complaints of "not enough interaction" that some have been voicing. It only takes one or two people to host the whole thing, and they end up interacting with twenty people at once. (They also end up interacting with the passersby more, and at the very least provide some entertainment for the passersby who aren't interested in dancing).
This was my first year at TRF, and I have to say that one of the things I was most impressed with was the amount of benches/seating. This was one of my main worries, as I have bad feet, and if I am on them too long, it is extremely painful. The combination of amazing pain medication and seating everywhere, made the experience amazing for me. Everywhere I turned, it seemed that there was seating a plenty.
It's been a while since I've posted on this thread but I am still reading. I like the ideas and some are very much worth doing or exploring. Keep them coming!
Some of the new improvements for 2013.
The Texas Renaissance Festival
Announces Updates for the 39th Festival Season
Festival plans Expansions and Additions for 2013
Todd Mission, Texas (February 25, 2013) The Texas Renaissance Festival, the nation's largest and most acclaimed festival of its kind, announces the completion of multiple festival improvements in preparation for the upcoming festival season, which will run every weekend from October 12 - December 1, 2013.
The lords and ladies at the Texas Renaissance Festival have been hard at work during the off-season to ensure that when the Festival gates open on October 12 for the 39th season, this year will be the best one yet. From simple updates to entirely new venues, enthusiasts will enjoy all of the improvements set to be made, making the experience fresh and exciting for even the most avid festival fans.
Noteworthy changes include a new stage for the 2013 festival. The Falconer Heath will create an opportunity for unseen performances and original entertainment. There will be a brand new Fairy Princess Venue, where the Festival's Fairy Princess will and make wishes come true with her magic wand. Moreover, a facelift is also being planned for the arena dais, the place where the Royal Court observes the jousting events, to enhance the look and feel of one of the favored locations in the King's realm.
The Texas Renaissance Festival will also celebrate the beginning of a new season with several additions and improvements to one of the fans' favorite location on the grounds, the Fields of New Market campsite. 2013 will host an array of additions to the camp grounds, including shower facilities, possible RV pads and expanded premium camping, which allows true Renaissance buffs to camp closer to the front gates, assuring that they have the best access to the festival during daylight hours.
Other improvements include a new water loop around the festival and road improvements. Among evening out the roads, the Texas Renaissance Festival plans to expand traffic lanes exiting the festival to cut back on traffic and congestion during high-attendance weekends. The festival also plans to add to additional premium parking, which will be reserved for guests who wish to park their "carriage" within the first several rows of parking, closest to the entrance gates. These improvements are sure to enhance the festival experience and make the visit more comfortable and enjoyable.
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The Festival is held Saturdays, Sundays and Thanksgiving Friday. The Texas Renaissance Festival is located 50 miles northwest of Houston on more than 50 acres of beautifully landscaped grounds on FM 1774, between Magnolia and Plantersville, Texas. Parking is free. For more information, visit www.texrenfest.com (http://www.texrenfest.com) or follow us on Facebook/Twitter.
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Premium Camping does not mean more money, just closer to the gates! That statement always gets people talking.
Lets avoid commenting on Terres post here as he has created a topic specifically for this. That way we can keep the comments consolidated.
Yeah... what he said... ;D
Quote from: KiltedPrivateer on February 25, 2013, 12:04:27 PM
Lets avoid commenting on Terres post here as he has created a topic specifically for this. That way we can keep the comments consolidated.
But what if I don't wannnnnaaaaaa...... ;D
OK, here's a fun question; Why haven't the enameled pins TRF sells every year come with a year date on them for the last couple of years, I think 2010 was the last year with the year on them.
As far as suggestions, I think I speak for a lot of folks when I say I'd like to see Circa Paleo back at TRF
Has TRF considered doing an apprenticeship program for the actors/singers at all? The faire could increase their current cast with actors/singers-in-training. At worst the cost of the whole program would be the cost of the instructors' time. At best, the faire might be able to charge the students a small fee and get a tiny bit of supplementary income... The only problem I can foresee is making sure you accept the right people into the program.
Quote from: ravic on February 05, 2013, 10:10:55 AM
Something for those really hot days in October - misting stations like Scarborough has & Hawkwood used to have. Given the size of TRF, you might need 2 or 3 strategically placed.
If you're going to do this, please make sure that signs are posted CLEARLY so that we don't get our $2,000-4,000 hearing aids damaged. A lot of us don't have insurance to cover them, because it doesn't exist.
Quote from: Trillium on October 29, 2012, 12:18:06 PMThe one thing that I had issue with this weekend is that the drink sizes appear to be getting smaller as the price gets higher. I bought a mulled wine on saturday and was $6 (or more?) for a tiny styrofoam cup. I was a bit shocked when they handed me the cup! The price seems a bit disproportionate to what I got!
The above is example one of modern civilization's problems creeping into this faire, which is, according to other people I have talked to, a place of escape from the modern world (to a point). One thing is the reduced size of portions for a higher price. It's all a reflection of at least two things I can think of: 1) increased overhead of TRF staff as a result of more people and/or higher salaries, which is a result of 2) the falling dollar. Simply put, the value of the US dollar has fallen, meaning that $5 no longer has enough value to buy the same amount of mulled wine as it did in the past, never mind 50 or 100 years ago when said wine was sold in an entirely different place. Please remember that as people are often called sheeple, they can still see their dollar's value is being devalued. Consider whether to have the shoppe that makes medallions make "TRF bullion" of gold or silver, so that they can be used for trade in all the shoppes that choose to accept them as a way to protect everyone's store of wealth.
Quote from: LadyJessica on November 04, 2012, 10:59:43 AM
Here's my idea and it would tie in with some of the things already posted. Have a living history "town" with stone masons, a blacksmith, farmer, ect. really showing how life really was back then...not just the festival portion. Let it be one of the major attractions at the school days events so they can really learn about it. I'm sure that you could probably find several people that would love to help you run it.
That and the statement by others that the number of crafters doing their crafts during faire had gone down is example two of modern civilization's problems, when it comes to America's recent history, is the reduction of the number of crafters who actually make something, giving way to "made in taiwan" wares reported to be found at TRF. This has to stop. Fact is, there will be a day when faires will be the actual towns, and modern cities will be places where families take their children to view examples of unsustainable living, where there are virtually no factories, or one or two if that, and most commercial buildings are built using materials and construction machinery well past the size of human-scale construction, and where there is NO place to grow food because nearly every square foot of ground is covered with asphalt, sidewalks, big box buildings, or lawns covering nutrient-poor soil. If China were to say, "That's it. THAT IS IT! We have had it with the US devaluing the value of our foreign exchange reserves in US$. America, we now demand gold, silver, or other natural resources/tangibles as trade for our exported merchandise to your country," that is the time when America stops functioning VERY SOON, especially the high-technology portions of it. Or, how about when you have a big enough solar flare take out electronics? You MUST have crafts in place to make a faire (which will one day be called a village again) as self-sufficient as possible. You see, even if apocalypse, natural or MAN-made, never happens, you have to consider the people who want to go back to simpler living or even a hybrid historic/modern living that takes the best of both worlds to synthesize a third world that provides a better, although simple living for all. You WILL see me there in such a village. I've already started plans to get out of the 5th largest hive in the country (Houston).
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 02:53:11 PMIn the end though, it's still George's sandbox, and his call.
Who is George?
I might suggest another thing like a summer camp for kids and another one for adults, where skills and trades are taught so that interested people can become apprentices. Sherwood has summer camps now. I think that this is important in growing our industry skills base so that more faires/villages can be started and built up as alternative living options for people like myself who are interested in getting out of the cities.
Quote from: deafdrummer on March 20, 2013, 05:54:22 PM
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 28, 2012, 02:53:11 PMIn the end though, it's still George's sandbox, and his call.
Who is George?
George Coulam, founder and owner of TRF.
Quote from: deafdrummer on March 20, 2013, 05:54:22 PM
I might suggest another thing like a summer camp for kids and another one for adults, where skills and trades are taught so that interested people can become apprentices. Sherwood has summer camps now. I think that this is important in growing our industry skills base so that more faires/villages can be started and built up as alternative living options for people like myself who are interested in getting out of the cities.
Oh my gosh, can this please be a thing! I would take my two weeks of vacation and pour all of my personal savings into attending this. I'm not particularly interested in finding alternative living options or anything like that, but I really don't know where else to turn to learn the crafting skills particular to medieval/renaissance settings (besides the internet). Right now most of my advice comes from the guys at the Tandy Leather counter. I don't know how the artisans would feel about lending out their tools to novices, though.