According to a FB post from Lord Randolph, today was the last chainmaille show.
I never got to see it. My shop was always too busy for me to leave at showtime. I had planned to this season before this whole surgery thing & I was really looking forward to it next year. Guess I'll go console myself with old pictures. :sigh:
Word I got today was that TRF management basically told him today that this show was the last one, period. I didn't hear a reasoning as to why. If it's because of skimpy attire, I have but to point at the Brazilian restaurant with dancers wearing less than most of the chainmail girls, same if it's an issue of not being "period". If its because of the distraction it causes, or because it is an impromptu show, I would be VERY worried for the Pirate Auction, as it is FAR more of a distraction and draws bigger crowds, and is not an official act either. Frankly, I am scratching my head as to the reason, and would very much like to hear the official line and then the real story so we can all compare notes and see what this might or might not mean for other booths and acts.
Also heard today that George was retiring...and turning it over to Terre. In the same breath as "no more chainmaille show". Interesting times ahead, methinks!
Have to agree tho on wondering why no more chainmaille show. Maybe just because there is no " take" for the owner(s)?
This is disappointing the chainmaille show was always one of the don't miss show that I always told people about and always made sure I caught at least a couple of times a season. Can add me to the list of people wondering why. This was one of the show that made TRF special like Scraby having the Scots court and HCM lecture and the real joust at Sherwood. Sad to hear its gone.
In all my years at TRF, I have heard so many rumors that I try to limit my exposure. I try to consider the original source before giving a credence. Less heartburn that way.
Although, in response to all the Disney rumors we used to tell people that WE were buying Disney. :)
Quote from: Breandan on November 25, 2012, 08:12:36 PM
Word I got today was that TRF management basically told him today that this show was the last one, period. I didn't hear a reasoning as to why. If it's because of skimpy attire, I have but to point at the Brazilian restaurant with dancers wearing less than most of the chainmail girls, same if it's an issue of not being "period". If its because of the distraction it causes, or because it is an impromptu show, I would be VERY worried for the Pirate Auction, as it is FAR more of a distraction and draws bigger crowds, and is not an official act either. Frankly, I am scratching my head as to the reason, and would very much like to hear the official line and then the real story so we can all compare notes and see what this might or might not mean for other booths and acts.
What he said.... I also wonder about the bellydance shows
Ravic, it came straight from Randolf- management told him this was the last one, no more.
I was fortunate enough to be at the chainmaille show today and heard the announcement from Lord Randolph. It was a very emotional show, with many of the participants relating stories of how they met Randolph and how he supported them and helped boost their confidence. One third of the participants in the show were men or children. As I was taking photos, I noticed a girl (about 6 years old) standing next to me with her parents. She was dancing along with the drummers and the chainmaille models. I looked around and saw dozens (perhaps hundreds) of minors and did not hear any gasps from people who were shocked or offended.
Whatever the reason for this decision, it is doubtful it was because the show was too bawdy. I doubt Christophe will be shut down and he runs people out of the Agora on a regular basis (even though he gives fair warning of the content of his show). I like Christophe ... just sayin'. I saw Jeff Baldwin near the Revels Stage Sunday afternoon and told him I thought the changes made to the joust were a bit shocking to some, but it was a nice surprise and the audience was quite pleased. Then I mentioned that I was disappointed in the decision to end the chainmaille show. He replied that he was certain that I wasn't the only one who would feel that way.
I believe that a part of TRF died today. This is, IMHO, a very unfortunate decision.
My personal opinion is that 'someone' decided that it was taking audience away from the 'Brazilian' women.
The same Brazilian women that have "costume malfunctions" during parade? I understand some of the things done... but Lord Randolph's show has been a main stay of TRF for HOW MANY YEARS? It's almost like they are hell bent to make long time patrons spend their money elsewhere. I know for a fact that i usually drop a grand a year on the place...
This rates a three grumpy face.
>:( >:( >:(
The Chainmaile Show is under review and we want to help make the show flows with the festivals growth. It may return and over the next year and we will discuss this with Lord Randolph. It's not about the lack of clothing, as you are aware of other shows we added that are similar. Thanks for your comments and concerns.
Terre, according to what Randolph is being told on FB it WAS because of the lack of clothing-
"The reason is because of complaints specifically due to photography and some nudity from the male and female dancers.
Improving a show and tweaking it is hardly anything new here and is done every season, in-season and off-season.
In the offseason we will sit down with the chainmaile shoppe and try to find a solution to make everyone happy.
Here in The Kingdom we try to keep a balance of entertainment for adults and families, which is very hard.
We'll have some updates for you here withing the next month or two and can hopefully make everyone happy.
~The King"
I am not a fan of the chainmail show for a variety of reasons, but I have seen less on those Carnivale dancers at the Brazilian place than on most of the dancers at the chainmail show. I think the timing of the decision should have been AFTER the show, between seasons, and you would've avoided a LOT of the bad blood that this has created.
Here is the difference... The Brazilian dancers are not out in the open in the middle of a major thoroughfaire. They're tucked away in an alcove and not all out for the public to stumble upon. You want a chainmaille show? Cool. Awesome. Move it to a stage or a more private venue like they do with ALL THE OTHER more adult shows and spectacles.
I am of the opinion that this show has no business being on the mainlanes of the festival. I've always felt that way. No offense to ANY of the performers there and definitely no judging on the nature of what they choose to do with their bodies. I just believe that it is an adult show and needs to be treated as such.
Quote from: WarCat on November 26, 2012, 01:31:52 PM
Here is the difference... The Brazilian dancers are not out in the open in the middle of a major thoroughfaire. They're tucked away in an alcove and not all out for the public to stumble upon. You want a chainmaille show? Cool. Awesome. Move it to a stage or a more private venue like they do with ALL THE OTHER more adult shows and spectacles.
I am of the opinion that this show has no business being on the mainlanes of the festival. I've always felt that way. No offense to ANY of the performers there and definitely no judging on the nature of what they choose to do with their bodies. I just believe that it is an adult show and needs to be treated as such.
There is a warning before every show, people should get the idea.
I'm not happy about this, Lord Randolph is an amazing man and the chainmaille show is definitely a piece of the heart and soul of the faire. I really hope that management reconsiders their decision.
Quote from: eloquentXI on November 26, 2012, 01:50:55 PM
Quote from: WarCat on November 26, 2012, 01:31:52 PM
Here is the difference... The Brazilian dancers are not out in the open in the middle of a major thoroughfaire. They're tucked away in an alcove and not all out for the public to stumble upon. You want a chainmaille show? Cool. Awesome. Move it to a stage or a more private venue like they do with ALL THE OTHER more adult shows and spectacles.
I am of the opinion that this show has no business being on the mainlanes of the festival. I've always felt that way. No offense to ANY of the performers there and definitely no judging on the nature of what they choose to do with their bodies. I just believe that it is an adult show and needs to be treated as such.
There is a warning before every show, people should get the idea.
I'm not happy about this, Lord Randolph is an amazing man and the chainmaille show is definitely a piece of the heart and soul of the faire. I really hope that management reconsiders their decision.
All the bawdy shows give warning... and still you have those no listening fools that insist on standing there with their wannabe, all girl, church group...
I witnessed a fool, his wife, and their three pre-teen prositots, get up and evac a show, Sunday, when, after the actor warned several times and finally addressed the man directly that the show was about to become off color and that the girls were about to have all kinds of questions for Mom & Dad later on... :D
Sounds like Laird Fraser might have been to Sound and Fury, eh?
:D
I've kinda kept to myself since the news broke yesterday. I was actually supposed to be there yesterday, but we decided to stay home and take care of some things there. I've been asked by a few people how I feel about this, and I'm going to pretty much say it like this:
Growing up, I didn't have the best confidence out there. I still don't, really. For the majority of the year, in faire's off-seasons, my confidence is a little "meh".
Lord Randolph changed that for me. His work has given me a confidence that I thought I never had or heck, never see in my entire life. He knows this because I make sure to thank him after each time he dresses me and I thanked him for helping me find that spark in me that I didn't know I had.
When I started doing chainmaille as a volunteer at the end of the 2010 season, I knew this was something that was bigger than I was. It brought something out in me that not only I saw, but my husband saw as well. That something was, I guess, confidence. (Not having much of it, it's hard to tell what it looks like sometimes). I was hooked. When I went back for the 2011 season, I went to Chainmaille Fashions the minute I walked into the gates and bought my first chainmaille pieces. I put them on and wore them in the parade as well as did the fashion show. I participated last season when I was able to and I participated this season when I was able to.
A lot of people here have seen me wear my chainmaille. Yeah, there are some times when my cleavage is a little out there. I try to keep it under wraps, really.
I know I do not have a body like the other more attractive chainmaille girls out there. I also know that I'm not physically able to pull off some of their looks-they look awesome in a lot of their stuff :)
To those who do have it; kudos. Right on. It's your choice how you wear it.
Even though I have been covered, for the most part, while wearing my chainmaille, I know I am still out there and yeah, people-men and women-have given me glances. Most of the time, it's positive. Just recently, I've received some negative feedback about my chainmaille (from mundanes-not rennies); telling me that "it should be a crime against nature" for me to wear chainmaille. Another person told me that I need to "walk the parade route a few times" before I wear chainmaille. Another person started to "MOO" while they were walking behind me (and no, they were not mistaking me for a member of Clan Moo! lol... ) Talk about "ouch".
I even bought my daughter a chainmaille headpiece. She has worn it each time we've taken her to faire this season. She did her first fashion show, with me carrying her in a baby sling, on Opening Day.
I understand people's concerns. There is a warning before the second part of the show starts. It's out there on a big blue banner. But at the same time (and I know a few of us here have used this phrase) "If you don't like what you see, you can look away". I know it sounds harsh and blunt, but it's something that has been heard many times around faires.
I really do hope that everyone can come to a happy medium and compromise. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way and has been impacted positively by Chainmaille Fashions. Here's to hoping things get settled peacefully and professionally.
Quote from: eloquentXI on November 26, 2012, 01:50:55 PM
Quote from: WarCat on November 26, 2012, 01:31:52 PM
Here is the difference... The Brazilian dancers are not out in the open in the middle of a major thoroughfaire. They're tucked away in an alcove and not all out for the public to stumble upon. You want a chainmaille show? Cool. Awesome. Move it to a stage or a more private venue like they do with ALL THE OTHER more adult shows and spectacles.
I am of the opinion that this show has no business being on the mainlanes of the festival. I've always felt that way. No offense to ANY of the performers there and definitely no judging on the nature of what they choose to do with their bodies. I just believe that it is an adult show and needs to be treated as such.
There is a warning before every show, people should get the idea.
I'm not happy about this, Lord Randolph is an amazing man and the chainmaille show is definitely a piece of the heart and soul of the faire. I really hope that management reconsiders their decision.
There might be a warning before the show, but first-timers casually walking from the Globe to The Dove Meadow stage don't get much of a warning if they happen to walk by at the wrong time. I tend to tell my friends who are attending for the first time just to avoid the area altogether, and to walk away from the parade after the courts have gone by and the advertisment banners start.
I agree; if you're going to keep it, tuck it away somewhere.
bad form, TRF.
bad form.
Alas, twould that it were so easy to dismiss the comparison between the Carnivale dancers and chainmail folks, but the Carnivale dancers ARE on display, regularly, both at parade and in front of the place throughout the day. This could have EASILY been handled by a simple "make sure your people cover naughty bits" discussion with Randolph, and it would have avoided turning into the fracas it is rapidly evolving into. Poor handling of the issue- bungling, in my personal opinion- has led to a LOT of bad blood that need not have been created. I am all for making sure the dancers are covered to beach bikini standards (and I have never seen any up there that weren't, so if it HAS been a problem, it must not be a common one) to preserve the sensibilities of families with kids, but there's a smart way to handle this sort of thing- quietly, with minimal fuss, and preferably between shows- that wasn't followed here.
Quote from: LibraryPrincess on November 26, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
Quote from: eloquentXI on November 26, 2012, 01:50:55 PM
Quote from: WarCat on November 26, 2012, 01:31:52 PM
Here is the difference... The Brazilian dancers are not out in the open in the middle of a major thoroughfaire. They're tucked away in an alcove and not all out for the public to stumble upon. You want a chainmaille show? Cool. Awesome. Move it to a stage or a more private venue like they do with ALL THE OTHER more adult shows and spectacles.
I am of the opinion that this show has no business being on the mainlanes of the festival. I've always felt that way. No offense to ANY of the performers there and definitely no judging on the nature of what they choose to do with their bodies. I just believe that it is an adult show and needs to be treated as such.
There is a warning before every show, people should get the idea.
I'm not happy about this, Lord Randolph is an amazing man and the chainmaille show is definitely a piece of the heart and soul of the faire. I really hope that management reconsiders their decision.
There might be a warning before the show, but first-timers casually walking from the Globe to The Dove Meadow stage don't get much of a warning if they happen to walk by at the wrong time. I tend to tell my friends who are attending for the first time just to avoid the area altogether, and to walk away from the parade after the courts have gone by and the advertisment banners start.
I agree; if you're going to keep it, tuck it away somewhere.
Nicole, thanks for getting what I'm saying. While you may warn people at the beginning of a show, this is NOT a stage. It's a storefront on THE major lane at TRF. A family that is casually strolling through will get absolutely blindsided because, while a warning was issued at the BEGINNING of the show, it's not like someone is standing on the edges warning people that they may see something not fit for children as they wander through.
Seriously, keep the show. I understand how important it is to many people and how they feel about TRF. Host it in a courtyard, or a stage where people don't get an accidental eye-full of gyrating and backsides. All of the other adult shows are tucked, this should be no different.
To be fair, I don't believe that the Brazilian dancers have any right to sit in front of their shop with their backsides hanging out either. Their show is inside the restaurant. Let them keep it there and not in parade/in public.
Curious, just a question after reading these comments and what is on TRF Facebook.
Are the models all volunteers, non-professionals, non-performers?
Polly I believe they are all volunteers.
In the ten years I've gone to TRF I've never seen anything at the Chainmaille show that I would object to any of my family seeing include young children. There are shows I wouldn't want to take children to because of the language used but nothing at the Chainmaille show. Then to be honest I've never understood Ameircan's unhealthy obsession with skin.
I have. I've seen some performances that were like minimally clothed strip shows. I wouldn't want my kids to see some of it.
Understand that I'm not making a blanket statement about ALL of the performers. However, because these are volunteers and non-trained or contracted festival workers, there's no telling what some people will do when they're thrust into the spotlight in a metal bikini. Honestly, if the show wanted to revamp and make rules to styles of dance and what is to be worn with their chain, that would also be another compromise. Even strip clubs here have rules against showing too much... jussayin.
This conversation is the same one from 4 years ago when someones kid walked up on a flogging in camp...
But i seem to remember someone arguing that "It's faire... what do you expect?" An old timer had to be reminded that it was part of the reason he was there to begin with... ( Cough...Rapier...cough, cough)
Funny how now someone is trying the right shoe on the left foot.... Sucks growing up and getting old & stuffy.
IMO... no offense is intended. TRF has been around for 39 years now... 2-3 generations have been coming through its hallowed gates to "lift up their cares" and "naughty" things have been known to happen at faire. Why do you think most people come and come back for? It's not for the Rennie Walmart, for sure.... or the cheap beer prices.
*The more the mischef, the better the sport*
I do feel that I need to clarify parts of the post that I made earlier. I was at work typing it, so I didn't get a chance to really look through it (work productivity at its finest!)
The traffic that the chainmaille show causes, yeah, it's a little wacky. Maybe that is something the powers that be can talk about when thy have a sit-down about next season.
As for children being a part of the show: in the times that I have done the fashion show, I have seen children go out first or they go out with their chaperone/parent/whoever is taking them.
I'm usually one of the first ones that come out in the fashion show because if you're dressed head to toe, you're first in line-it goes from most to least in terms of clothing. When the more clothed ones are done going across the balcony, the PG banner comes down. You guys are right when it comes to things you don't want your kids seeing. There are things I wouldn't want my child seeing as well. She's too young right now to really be "corrupted" at faire or anything like that, but even so. My daughter has never been exposed to any form of nudity when we were in the chainmaille show, or even when the chainmaille show participants came to see her/play with her/fawn over her. (LOL)
I think this might be one of those things where we might need to just kinda hang out until a final decision is made-when a lot of theories come in, conclusions tend to be jumped to. I hope that makes sense! lol...
I agree with what a few have said... a warning does no good for those that stumble across the show... and have to wiggle in between people and booths to get through the traffic jam... all the while their kids may be seeing something they don't want them to see. I'm of the mind that "you bring your kids out to a ren faire... you get what you get" but I know that as they push to increase numbers the FAMILY thing is going to rise. My biggest problem aside from just not liking the look of some of the girls, but I have always admired their unwavering confidence, is the traffic jam. On a 40,000 plus day, you can barely squeeze through.... I don't even want to talk about this weekend... esp sunday! As someone who HAD to get from the front to the German area after noon proc. I DESPISED the show because I always got stuck in the traffic and had a hard time getting around. I'd like to see the show stay because people do love it, but I'd like to see it not take up so much room in the lane.
The idea of traffic jam brings another question to mind about the chainmail show. How does it affect surrounding shoppes?
Yeah, here's the Carnivale dancers carefully tucked away in their ever so period correct resturant;
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/olmark/TRFHighland%202012/IMG_5641.jpg)
When the are not performing they are often out front drumming up the punters. I saw this basically every day I was at faire this year, but seemingly missed all the Chainmail shows.
So I'm pretty sure the casual passerby is actually more likely to see some South American badonkadonk than chicks in chainmail, who might not any more HA, but are at least 'traditional' to TRF.
Full disclosure: I was not able to get to TRF this year so I have not seen the Brazillian dancers.
The few times I've been to TRF & caught parts of the chainmaille show I've seen much more skin than I've ever seen at a Belly Dance show. Yes, you see cleavage & back & below the belly button to a point but I've never seen booty cleavage at a BD show or the lower half of the buttocks.
I never saw the show except in passing so I don't really have an opinion. The few times I walked by I did feel it was a little much.
Quote from: Zardoz on November 26, 2012, 09:41:43 PM
Yeah, here's the Carnivale dancers carefully tucked away in their ever so period correct resturant;
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/olmark/TRFHighland%202012/IMG_5641.jpg)
When the are not performing they are often out front drumming up the punters. I saw this basically every day I was at faire this year, but seemingly missed all the Chainmail shows.
So I'm pretty sure the casual passerby is actually more likely to see some South American badonkadonk than chicks in chainmail, who might not any more HA, but are at least 'traditional' to TRF.
Hmmm... nice aaa.... errr.... hams! :D
Quote from: SirRichardBear on November 26, 2012, 04:56:51 PM(**snip**)... to be honest I've never understood American's unhealthy obsession with skin.
Sir Richard and I don't see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, but on this, I'm in total agreement. Remember the furor when Jackson had her "wardrobe malfunction?" There was someone ejected from Scarby this year that was wearing more than the girls in Zardoz's photo. Her
photo was removed from
this forum, and she was showing less than this photo.
I don't care how much the girls want to show, and I wouldn't worry about my child seeing them. There is nothing evil about the human body.
Maeven, whoever made those comments behind you needs to be taught a lesson. That is inexcusable.
I'm glad Terre joined in the conversation and mentioned that the brevity of some of the chainmaille show's participants was not in question. I'm sure most of us have seen some patrons more scantily dressed than many of the models in the show.
For those who were not present, here are a few shots from the chainmaille show this past Sunday. As usual, several of the people who participated accessorized with items fitting the themed weekend (in this case, Celtic Christmas).
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h306/RocketMP/TRF2012/IMG_0276_zpsc7499250.jpg)
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h306/RocketMP/TRF2012/IMG_0277_zpsb58e96d9.jpg)
This model is tall and willowy, and I've seen her in costumes more brief than this, but she has also dressed as one of the blue people from Avatar (among other characters).
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h306/RocketMP/TRF2012/IMG_0278_zps36047300.jpg)
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h306/RocketMP/TRF2012/IMG_0279_zps3d65f973.jpg)
This model was cute and charming (she's also a grandmother).
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h306/RocketMP/TRF2012/IMG_0280_zps3b7fdf92.jpg)
These 16 year old participants were veterans of the show. There were a few others even younger than them.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h306/RocketMP/TRF2012/IMG_0282_zps547e3402.jpg)
Some models were more enthusiastic dancers than others. Still, there were very few moves that were more provacative than the belly dancers that perform in at least three other shows at TRF.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h306/RocketMP/TRF2012/IMG_0285_zpsfc8c44e0.jpg)
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h306/RocketMP/TRF2012/IMG_0289_zpsf63b4e98.jpg)
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h306/RocketMP/TRF2012/IMG_0292_zpse29d9fa6.jpg)
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h306/RocketMP/TRF2012/IMG_0294_zps1471b90d.jpg)
Is this really that bad? A model removes a lace overskirt to reveal undergarments that are far more modest than what can be seen at Crystal Beach or Galveston.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h306/RocketMP/TRF2012/IMG_0305_zps939cbded.jpg)
And again, a model sways to the drum beat. Pleasing, but not overtly sexual. Last night I saw *more* skin (and more seductive moves) on a Victoria's Secret commercial immediately following Wheel of Fortune.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h306/RocketMP/TRF2012/IMG_0312_zps1217fef1.jpg)
If we are going to discuss activities in the lanes at TRF that are offensive, how could we overlook the language shouted at high decibel levels by the pickle guy and the beef jerky guy? Their sexual innuendo is overheard by THOUSANDS more people every day than those who view the chainmaille show. There are no audible warnings or signs posted there ... patrons of all ages, genders, religions and races are exposed to the lascivious rants of guys who use provocation to sell their goods.
The Drench A Wench uses language *far* worse than the pickle and jerky guys, and she's in a corner of Sherwood Forest (arguably the most family-friendly section of TRF), not far from Cast In Bronze and The Maze. LOTS of kids roam that area (and the warning sign at the Drench A Wench is teeny compared to the huge banner that is displayed at the chainmaille show).
Note: I am OK with the belly dancers, pickle guy, jerky guy, Drench A Wench and chainmaille show because I understand that a ren fest is not meant to be the same environment as Disney World.
Having been following this subject here and throughout the numerous on FB, it appears there is much more involved than just the amount of skin being shown. As Terre posted, it is not the lack of clothing moving this situation.
It just seems that way because it is more fun to talk about naked people than crowded lanes and business problems. And look at pretty pictures.
Ah, therein lies a problem.
(continued in another post)
Looking at pictures.
Unfortunately or not, the world keeps turning round and life changes. Ten, twenty years ago, a volunteer model could get up on the balcony and, if only for a moment, enter a whole different world, then descend back into the real world with only a naughty little memory of "a time when..."
Even if someone did catch a performance on camera, it didn't really mean that much. I mean, your mother probably would never see it. Then along came the internet, inexpensive digital cameras, and those pesky cell phone cameras. Add Youtube, Flickr, and the others and that risqué moment is not yours any more; it now can belong to anybody out there.
With a little time and a broadband connection (hey, we ain't got no stinking super high-speed out here), anybody can click a mouse a few times and come up with pictures from the chainmail show. Most people at the show may never see anything particularly revealing, but someone wanting to find it will. And they will post it on-line, somewhere.
I've seen a couple references to one of the reasons being "complaints specifically due to photography"... I'm wondering what this means? I mean, are the folks in the show complaining that they are getting photographed, and then the photos end up on the web to be seen by their co-workers or mom ? Sorry but if that's the case, you just need to not show up, because there's no such thing as limited exibitionism when everyone has a camera in their pocket.
Quote from: Zardoz on November 27, 2012, 10:18:35 AM
I've seen a couple references to one of the reasons being "complaints specifically due to photography"... I'm wondering what this means? I mean, are the folks in the show complaining that they are getting photographed, and then the photos end up on the web to be seen by their co-workers or mom ? Sorry but if that's the case, you just need to not show up, because there's no such thing as limited exibitionism when everyone has a camera in their pocket.
Ah, someone else gets it that the old saying "what happens at Faire stays at Faire" is no longer a valid excuse to complain when a picture of you being flogged in camp shows up on your mother's monitor. It probably won't be worth as much money as the Kate and William shots, but there will always be someone, somewhere that uploads it just because they can.
This past weekend, i ran into "log jams" as big, if not bigger, than the one outside the chainmaille shop. These happened to be some of the new "Lane" acts and the people were 20 deep later in the afternoon. The Chainmaille Show has become an institution at TRF... like the parade and the Sea Devil.
*"What Happens At Faire Stays At Faire" is still in effect... most Rennies don't shoot "compromising" shots of their friends* ;)
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 27, 2012, 10:54:29 AM
*"What Happens At Faire Stays At Faire" is still in effect... most Rennies don't shoot "compromising" shots of their friends* ;)
Most rennies don't, but everyone has a camera now, most of them with web access. That compromising shot can be on somebody's FB page 20 seconds after it's taken. (provided they can get a signal at TRF)
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 27, 2012, 10:54:29 AM
This ...
*"What Happens At Faire Stays At Faire" is still in effect... most Rennies don't shoot "compromising" shots of their friends* ;)
Unfortunately, it is not always the Rennie friends doing the picture taking.
It didn't take me long to find some Youtube, flickr and websites with not-quite so flattering pictures (and comments thereon) of the chainmail show models.
(Modified to add: Zardoz got in there a bit before me.)
If "photography" is a valid reason for nixing the chainmaille show, then the TRF Performance Company will need to be disbanded. Yeah, I take more photos than most people (and less than some, for sure), but I have accidentally captured more wardrobe malfunctions from the cast at TRF (and other faires) than there ever were at a chainmaille show. I will never show those photos and will never identify the actors involved. Why? . . . because it would be in poor taste and the incidents happened by accident.
Can we expect the TRF Performance Company to forbid female members from having anything other than a cowl or bateau neckline? Will they cease to have the "impromptu" fights between members of the various courts? The TRF cast is extremely talented and well prepared, but accidents happen when you are doing live performances ... that will never change. The person who would post a shot of anyone having a clothing mishap is also quite capable of manufacturing a distorted, lewd image with Photoshop or other software. It is the integrity of the photographer, not the performer (or model) that is in question. Should photography be banned at TRF like it is at some concerts? I think a camera check at the front gates would go over like a lead balloon. It would be almost as bad as banning the sale of alcohol at TRF because some people imbibe too much and act in a disorderly manner.
I have not, yet, run across a picture of camp floxxxg post, though.
Hmmmm... there has only EVER been one shot taken of me that i haven't known about and the "compromising" ones I've set up ahead of time. I behave in public... camp is another story. Take pics of me at your own risk, when I'm not in faire. None of this discussion is getting us anywhere...
I want to hear the REAL REASON behind all of this bull duckie...
You know...this has an interesting read. I have never seen anything inappropriate at the chainmaille show in the manner of dress or attire of the volunteer performers. Wrong? Sure. Seeing Shaggy dance will make just about anyone laugh as they reach for the eye-bleach...
As Fraser said - it's an institution. It was on my regular round as I went into Faire...fill my mug, find my spot, interact/play with the Parade as it passed, and then Cheer on the performers or laugh as appropriate. It was the main reason why I was always late to the R/F meet n' greet at the Prince of Wales pub.
I have to say, between the HERDS of locusts (mundanes), the stories of the heavy-handed, flat out rude "security" both inside the gates and on the campgrounds, and now the possible scuttling of the Chainmaille show - I'm not exactly inclined to make the effort to return to TRF anytime soon.
Yes, Molden came up with a better term "possible scuttling of the Chainmaille show." It's not a done deal. Terre Albert has already told us it is under review.
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 27, 2012, 11:35:12 AM
Hmmmm... there has only EVER been one shot taken of me that i haven't known about and the "compromising" ones I've set up ahead of time. I behave in public... camp is another story. Take pics of me at your own risk, when I'm not in faire. None of this discussion is getting us anywhere...
I want to hear the REAL REASON behind all of this bull duckie...
I'll hazard a guess, and it's pretty simple. Some up-tight folks complained that they or their spawn saw something they deemed 'inappropriate', and threatened to tell the rest of their bible group not to come to faire anymore . To hear the powers that be talk TRF is barely hanging on, they are obviously willing to pretty much do whatever it takes to keep the danes rolling in. This sort of thing has happened at faires before, I recall there was one that told their vendors not to display 'pagan symbols' because a church group complained.
*face palm*
I'll hazard another guess.
Perhaps complaints came not only from viewers but volunteer models as well, especially regarding photographers, not all of whom are as gentlemanly as our Sir Martin. One such complaint was alluded to (with the man's name) on a FB posting about the show.
For those on Facebook, there is now a FB page, Petition to Continue TRF Chainmail Fashion Show.
Quote from: PollyPoPo on November 27, 2012, 12:11:57 PM
I'll hazard another guess.
Perhaps complaints came not only from viewers but volunteer models as well, especially regarding photographers, not all of whom are as gentlemanly as our Sir Martin. One such complaint was alluded to (with the man's name) on a FB posting about the show.
Polly, I think you might have hit the nail on the head. Most of the regular photographers are nice and gentlemanly (or just polite, in my case since I am female). There are a few though...that made me uncomfortable being around, that were pushy, etc. I could see this being the big reason behind disbanding it all...I know NO facts on the subject, so don't take my word for anything.
If you don't want to be photographed wearing it, then DON'T WEAR IT OUTSIDE YOUR HOME. I applaud anyone who has the guts to wear risky stuff in public, but seriously, if you don't want your photo taken, then you should simply cover yourself in a sheet. That may sound harsh, but anyone who has ever spent 15 minutes inside the gate knows that there are a legion of photographers with high-end cameras inside, and any rational person can safely assume that somewhere around 90% of the folks walking around have a camera of some sort, disposable, pocket, phone, whatever. If you are costumed at all, it is a reasonable expectation that your image will show up SOMEWHERE on the internet, whether you wish it to or not. If you don't want your mama/daddy/boss/coworkers to see you dressed like that, DON'T DRESS LIKE THAT. My co-workers all know of my love of faire, and have seen a photo or two of me in my garb, it doesn't bother me a bit. That being said, I choose garb that flatters me, and is appropriate to my age and size, and never ONCE have I been afraid that anyone would see me.
Quote from: raevyncait on November 27, 2012, 12:37:26 PM
If you don't want to be photographed wearing it, then DON'T WEAR IT OUTSIDE YOUR HOME. I applaud anyone who has the guts to wear risky stuff in public, but seriously, if you don't want your photo taken, then you should simply cover yourself in a sheet. That may sound harsh, but anyone who has ever spent 15 minutes inside the gate knows that there are a legion of photographers with high-end cameras inside, and any rational person can safely assume that somewhere around 90% of the folks walking around have a camera of some sort, disposable, pocket, phone, whatever. If you are costumed at all, it is a reasonable expectation that your image will show up SOMEWHERE on the internet, whether you wish it to or not. If you don't want your mama/daddy/boss/coworkers to see you dressed like that, DON'T DRESS LIKE THAT. My co-workers all know of my love of faire, and have seen a photo or two of me in my garb, it doesn't bother me a bit. That being said, I choose garb that flatters me, and is appropriate to my age and size, and never ONCE have I been afraid that anyone would see me.
I don't think its the actual act of the photo being taken, we all get that we look different from the rest of normal society, but it's more of the behavior of a photographer or how they acted...
I see big ripples in the pond because of this... :-\
Quote from: PollyPoPo on November 27, 2012, 12:11:57 PM
I'll hazard another guess.
Perhaps complaints came not only from viewers but volunteer models as well, especially regarding photographers, not all of whom are as gentlemanly as our Sir Martin. One such complaint was alluded to (with the man's name) on a FB posting about the show.
Well if somebody that didn't like getting their picture taken is a reason to shut down the show, based on that concept the whole faire is in danger. I hope none of the guys who's 'kilt like garment' fashion disasters I joked about complain!
Really ladies, don't shake that moneymaker in public if you are afraid it might get photographed.
Whatever the reason for it, it is sad. :( I really hope they reconsider.
Quote from: FaeHollow on November 26, 2012, 08:09:38 PM
My biggest problem <snip> is the traffic jam. <snip> because I always got stuck in the traffic and had a hard time getting around.
I've noted that while the lane is totally plugged in the center, both sidewalks are clear. Almost every show. Anyone can walk directly under the balcony at Randolph's without touching elbows with anyone at any time during the show. The other side (walk) is nearly as clear. After the show breaks, transit can be difficult around the Naked Tree time, but the center of the lane has been somewhat cleared by then. Still both sidewalks are uncongested. The wife and I run that gauntlet all the time. It is at most a minor inconvenience if we are determined to get somewhere.
Aside from TRF's motivations for being a stroller faire, I suspect the vendors around the cluster are upset with the change in traffic flow. Perhaps they are frustrated that 'now that there are this many people here right in front of my shop', they aren't paying attention to the product. Or maybe it does affect their bottom line... 'I've been that way already today, don't want to retrace my steps'? I honestly don't know.
I agree there is more than just the skin excuse in play here, regardless of it being presented (or mis-represented') as 'the reason'. Reference the 'stroller faire' term above. Strollers don't do cobblestones? People that do strollers don't have a taste for 'that sort of thing' and represent the target demographic?
Quote from: Breandan on November 26, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
"The reason is because of complaints specifically due to photography."
I'm also curious about the 'photography' comment. Until they ban photography, you show it, I shoot it... its that simple. You don't want it seen, don't do it! In camp, on site, at the beach, in a church... that applies exactly the same! You have no expectation of privacy in an over crowded public venue, especially when dressing in garb intended to draw attention to yourself in a field of photographers. I really doubt that anyone from Randolph's herd complains about photograph'y'... I think that is a smoke screen.
However, if it is a case of a specific photograph'er' being a problem, that issue should be dealt with one on one. Yes, I have a specific incident in mind, and said
self proclaimed 'photographer' was out of line. FWIW, his actions thoroughly pi$$ed off the rest of us, and there are a
LOT of us. Had many of us realized the situation was happening, we would have tended to it en masse. I understand that Randolph dealt with it as he should have, and
good on him for stepping up. Randolph has some wranglers (and his own photographer(s) ) out there for crowd control during the Naked Tree, and it falls on him to do what is necessary for his models' comfort during his show. And he does. Until it becomes an issue in general, just deal with it! Don't blame the photographers.
Stalk well...
And Stalkwell adds to the knowledge base about what might be the cause of some complaint.
I have seen both the chain and Brazilian shows. Think I would rather our son see the chain show because of the drums, belly dance, free style dance and such. Chain show has more of a natural, earthy faire feel than the Brazilian show is at the moment with it's recorded music. (Laugh In, Sonny & Cher anyone?) Now if the Brazilian show modifies the garb and Carnival feel then I would pause and reevaluate my opinion.
Either way our son has seen the booties in the lanes and giggles. So meh, I am not worried if it is chain or flamingo pink feathered booties. :D We'd risk bootie sightings at the beach as well.
If it is an instance of an individual getting out of hand, be it dancer or a person in the lane; then that is something that I'm sure can be dealt with by Randolph and the faire.
Guess we will see what's what when the dust settles.
If they decide to go "Family-Friendly" then I'd prefer they just do it all the way and get it over with. That way I can decide what else to do between the beginning of October and Thanksgiving weekend cuz it won't be TRFing.
'stroller faire' like that one ;D
Okay, for clarification's sake, Cory is the one who said it was about the risque clothing, not Terre. Granted, since Cory runs their FB page and is one of their primary PR people, and Terre is the GM, I would've expected them to be on the same page, but Cory has shown his propensity to run on his own without his boss' approval many times (most notably on this forum where he got himself banned). So, I will go with what Terre says, that it's not about skimpy clothes. That does leave a lot of questions, however, mostly what the REAL reason was. This matters to many people out there, because the same reason used to nix the chainmail show could sneak up and bite other vendors, acts, and mixtures of the two such as the Pirate Auction. Transparency is not a bad thing, and helps stave off rumours.
Quote from: Breandan on November 27, 2012, 09:55:51 PM
Okay, for clarification's sake, Cory is the one who said it was about the risque clothing, not Terre. Granted, since Cory runs their FB page and is one of their primary PR people, and Terre is the GM, I would've expected them to be on the same page, but Cory has shown his propensity to run on his own without his boss' approval many times (most notably on this forum where he got himself banned). So, I will go with what Terre says, that it's not about skimpy clothes. That does leave a lot of questions, however, mostly what the REAL reason was. This matters to many people out there, because the same reason used to nix the chainmail show could sneak up and bite other vendors, acts, and mixtures of the two such as the Pirate Auction. Transparency is not a bad thing, and helps stave off rumours.
Like i said... I want to know the
REAL REASON behind it. Most of us are intelligent, reasonable people... if there was a
good and true reason for this action, most of us would raise any more Hades about it. Cory seems to have his own agenda and it's personal, not business, IMO. This is never good for either the people involved or the business, which i know about from personal experience.
I'd appreciate it if those who know would send me a PM to advise me of who the unethical photographer(s) are. I promise the info will be held in strict confidence ... just want to make sure I am not hanging around anyone who is employing questionable tactics at TRF. Thanks.
Quote from: Zardoz on November 27, 2012, 11:57:52 AM.... This sort of thing has happened at faires before, I recall there was one that told their vendors not to display 'pagan symbols' because a church group complained.
Since my religion is pagan, I find that offensive. Unfortunately, many of the new religions do not understand the meaning behind some of the symbols of the old religions. Even the swastika has/had good and positive meaning until it was bastardized by the Nazis.
Last I heard, there was freedom of religion in this country.
Personal note... I've found, in my years on this planet, that those who proclaim to be a "perfect Christian" are usually the biggest hypocrites. Every religion has it's radicals but i find the Christian ones the most boorish... wouldn't it shock them to find out that Christmas is really a Pagan holiday that the Roman Catholic Church adopted to bring in the Pagans? :D Of course, most of them don't know the history of Christianity and don't want to know... pesky things like Crusades and Inquisitions ruin their perception of themselves. :o
*I concider myself Christian. In God's Garden there are weeds as well as flowers... i happen to be that thistle in the corner. The Lord loves me as much as he does the rose.* ;)
Ok, back on subject... sorry for the threadjacking... ;D
I find the atheist one the most boorish and self rightious.
Quote from: Zardoz on November 26, 2012, 09:41:43 PM
Yeah, here's the Carnivale dancers carefully tucked away in their ever so period correct resturant;
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/olmark/TRFHighland%202012/IMG_5641.jpg)
When the are not performing they are often out front drumming up the punters. I saw this basically every day I was at faire this year, but seemingly missed all the Chainmail shows.
So I'm pretty sure the casual passerby is actually more likely to see some South American badonkadonk than chicks in chainmail, who might not any more HA, but are at least 'traditional' to TRF.
Forgive me, since I am a non TRF-going Rennie, and as such may sound like a rube...
But how is this
remotely Renaissance faire? Show girls? Really?
It would be less jarring to put a McDonalds in there. :-\
Everybody chill.
Lord Randolph just announced on FB that there will be a show next year.
In that photo, the MOST jarring thing to me is the signage, THEN the showgirls (ignoring the guy in the red jacket, of course). This is State Fair sort of stuff, in my opinion (which admittedly means "squat"). However, what I want to see at a Renaissance faire, and what a lot of the Rennies want to see at a faire are really inconsequential when it comes to the business decisions that are made in this, a money-making business.
Looking at it pragmatically, which is the way I tend to view things, whatever it takes to make money is where it's going to head. From all I've gathered, King George (I think he's known as) is a business man. He's going to do whatever it takes to make his business grow. That includes gaudy signage and sexily-clad women. There is nothing wrong with that—it's the American way! However, I'm more interested in the Renaissance way, at least visually.
The addition of sound systems in recent years has been rather well hidden, for the most part. Someone mentioned that Tartanic was non-period. I'm not sure how. The selection of tunes may be anachronistic, but drums and pipes are certainly period. How many pre-20th century folk tunes have become pop music hits? I can think of several. The MIDI or recorded accompaniment to Cast in Bronze is terribly out of place, yet they are faire darlings...at several faires.
The fact is, we are all looking for something different at faire. That's okay. I'll attend the faires that satisfy my itch, and you'll attend the ones that satisfy yours. Bonny Pearl had almost convinced me to make a return trip to TRF, but I'm not interested in the carnival feel. That's not what I'm looking for.
I hope the chainmaille crowd shows up elsewhere...
Quote from: ravic on November 29, 2012, 04:21:05 PM
Everybody chill.
Lord Randolph just announced on FB that there will be a show next year.
HUZZAH! Great news! Now let us find something else to gripe about! :D
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on November 29, 2012, 04:25:16 PM
In that photo, the MOST jarring thing to me is the signage, THEN the showgirls (ignoring the guy in the red jacket, of course). This is State Fair sort of stuff, in my opinion (which admittedly means "squat"). However, what I want to see at a Renaissance faire, and what a lot of the Rennies want to see at a faire are really inconsequential when it comes to the business decisions that are made in this, a money-making business.
Looking at it pragmatically, which is the way I tend to view things, whatever it takes to make money is where it's going to head. From all I've gathered, King George (I think he's known as) is a business man. He's going to do whatever it takes to make his business grow. That includes gaudy signage and sexily-clad women. There is nothing wrong with that—it's the American way! However, I'm more interested in the Renaissance way, at least visually.
The addition of sound systems in recent years has been rather well hidden, for the most part. Someone mentioned that Tartanic was non-period. I'm not sure how. The selection of tunes may be anachronistic, but drums and pipes are certainly period. How many pre-20th century folk tunes have become pop music hits? I can think of several. The MIDI or recorded accompaniment to Cast in Bronze is terribly out of place, yet they are faire darlings...at several faires.
The fact is, we are all looking for something different at faire. That's okay. I'll attend the faires that satisfy my itch, and you'll attend the ones that satisfy yours. Bonny Pearl had almost convinced me to make a return trip to TRF, but I'm not interested in the carnival feel. That's not what I'm looking for.
I hope the chainmaille crowd shows up elsewhere...
You REALLY need to give it another go... :-\
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on November 29, 2012, 04:25:16 PM
The fact is, we are all looking for something different at faire. That's okay. I'll attend the faires that satisfy my itch, and you'll attend the ones that satisfy yours. Bonny Pearl had almost convinced me to make a return trip to TRF, but I'm not interested in the carnival feel. That's not what I'm looking for.
I hope the chainmaille crowd shows up elsewhere...
Thanks Merlin, That was tactfully put. :)
My laird an I were also considering making a swing down that way about 2014, just to say we were there, buy a T-shirt, and perhaps finally meet some of the great people on this forum in person....but...after seeing that Vegas style whateveritis, I don't think TRF is my cup of tea, and I
know it's not David's .
I'm sure they wont' miss us, and they won't care if they lose a couple of stuffy 'ol traditionalists more interested in history than sideshow.
Perhaps we'll go to Sherwood instead ^_^.
I do admit to wanting to see the Chainmaille show though. I think that would fit in anywhere, and it looks like fun ;D.
Rowen
Glad to hear the chainmaille show will go on. As for the Brazilian dancers, I have heard more complaints about them than anythng else in recent memory at TRF. I wouldn't be surprised if their costumes were modified a bit next season.
Can't say I have any problem with the Brazilian dancers themselves, but they could really use an actual samba band performing with them instead of the prerecorded music.
Back on the original topic, I'm glad TRF and Lord Randolph were able to work things out.
Quote from: Riff Raff on November 29, 2012, 06:31:40 PM
Can't say I have any problem with the Brazilian dancers themselves, but they could really use an actual samba band performing with them instead of the prerecorded music.
Back on the original topic, I'm glad TRF and Lord Randolph were able to work things out.
From the Silver Thistle web shop:
"
What do you get when you mix the Afro-Brazilian rhythms of Sambaxe with the traditional (and not so traditional) Scots tunes of The Silver Thistle Pipes and Drums? You get an exciting infusion of world music, embodied in a super-band called Samba Thistle.I bought a copy of the
Samba Thistle CD (http://www.silverthistle.org/main/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=5) at Things Celtic in Austin, and it's great!
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 29, 2012, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: ravic on November 29, 2012, 04:21:05 PM
Everybody chill.
Lord Randolph just announced on FB that there will be a show next year.
HUZZAH! Great news! Now let us find something else to gripe about! :D
We have a few months to come up with something. :D
Quote from: Riff Raff on November 29, 2012, 06:31:40 PM
Can't say I have any problem with the Brazilian dancers themselves, but they could really use an actual samba band performing with them instead of the prerecorded music.
Back on the original topic, I'm glad TRF and Lord Randolph were able to work things out.
I was working in The Morrocan Bazaar when the Greeks took over & morphed it into the Agora. I was hawking for a psyhic booth and the new people started playing Greek restaurant music LOUD. My workers could not hear their customers. The Bazaar had a full circle of vendors which drew in lots of people between the shows. The Greeks ran everyone out over the next 2 years & the place died, relatively speaking. Except for the shows & the food, there is little to no traffic.
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 29, 2012, 05:00:37 PM
You REALLY need to give it another go... :-\
I was close, m'Laird, but this is stuff I go out of my way to avoid sometimes. It's just my personal taste, and my taste is a lot different from most—I don't taste like chicken.
For the party hard types, TRF is THE place to be, from all accounts. I've gotten a lot more laid back these last few centuries. If crowds are
too thick, I have a tendency toward anxiety attacks, a touch of claustrophobia, I suppose. If I ever went again, it would need to be on a rain day, when the attendance is light. How much fun would that be?
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on November 30, 2012, 05:57:16 AM
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on November 29, 2012, 05:00:37 PM
You REALLY need to give it another go... :-\
I was close, m'Laird, but this is stuff I go out of my way to avoid sometimes. It's just my personal taste, and my taste is a lot different from most—I don't taste like chicken.
For the party hard types, TRF is THE place to be, from all accounts. I've gotten a lot more laid back these last few centuries. If crowds are too thick, I have a tendency toward anxiety attacks, a touch of claustrophobia, I suppose. If I ever went again, it would need to be on a rain day, when the attendance is light. How much fun would that be?
Actually, i've had the most fun on those days... especially when there's sleet invoved... ;)
Ooh, rainy days at Sherwood.
Not good for business, but some memories made.
Early morning, foggy, no fairies flitting about, few mundanes inside yet, surreal almost.
Had a personal belly dance show for my girlfriend and I one rainy day at Sherwood. Nobody else had come out yet. I think we were also told that we were in the first six people or so through the gate. Rainy days can be nice. 8)
One of my favorite days EVER at Scarby was Memorial Day, 2007, I believe. It POURED rain, the entire shire was one big mud puddle. Virtually everybody still there was in garb, playing and having a grand time. Late in the afternoon, a big group gathered in Pecan Grove not far from the horn shoppe, where there was a bit of a wash that filled with water & mud spectacularly. A collection was taken up, and VIII took a fabulous belly flop into that mud puddle, with the beneficiary of the collection being whoever the Wishing Well benefited that year. We were all soaked to the skin, and it didn't even matter, the village was so very alive with joy and exhuberance!
:D When somebody complains about a rainy day at TRF, my response is usually 'sorry I missed that'!
I agree, some of my best times at TRF have been in the rain.
It can be the best of times or the worst of times.
I always loved performing in the rain. Good times. Good times.
Quote from: dbaldock on November 29, 2012, 07:07:42 PM
Quote from: Riff Raff on November 29, 2012, 06:31:40 PM
Can't say I have any problem with the Brazilian dancers themselves, but they could really use an actual samba band performing with them instead of the prerecorded music.
Back on the original topic, I'm glad TRF and Lord Randolph were able to work things out.
From the Silver Thistle web shop:
"What do you get when you mix the Afro-Brazilian rhythms of Sambaxe with the traditional (and not so traditional) Scots tunes of The Silver Thistle Pipes and Drums? You get an exciting infusion of world music, embodied in a super-band called Samba Thistle.
I bought a copy of the Samba Thistle CD (http://www.silverthistle.org/main/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=5) at Things Celtic in Austin, and it's great!
I got my CD it see,s a million years ago. Maybe 12 or more. I thought I was the only one that like that CD and that sound.
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 30, 2012, 04:13:08 PM
I always loved performing in the rain. Good times. Good times.
Including the frozen Christmas? Thought Jingles was going to turn into a Sherrysicle.
One of my most favourites was a rainy day at TRF..clomping around with no shoes on, mud up to my knees, the Danes looking at me like I lost all common sense as I hopped from one puddle to the next...I looked like a hobbit, hair long, curly from the humidity, shoeless, in a cloak and a basic tunic....it was fantastic.
Oh frozen Christmas was NOT fun, my garb was not up to the task, the only saving graces were that I worked in the forge and the rules about garb were somewhat loosely interpreted that day so I got away a couple of what would normally be obscene violations of period clothing. Three layers of clothing, including a fleece jacket under my faire shirt was a bit obvious.
FYI: Coal forge, yes, it is very hot inside the coke dome, but it radiates next to nothing which is why we can pull off the "lay your hand on the coals 3 inches from the glowy parts right after pulling a piece of yellow hot steel out" trick. Actually a very educational crowd pleasing stunt that lets us talk about the transition from charcoal to coal in smithing.
Quote from: ravic on November 30, 2012, 06:56:06 PM
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 30, 2012, 04:13:08 PM
I always loved performing in the rain. Good times. Good times.
Including the frozen Christmas? Thought Jingles was going to turn into a Sherrysicle.
Closing 2007? That's what got me into *waves hands around* all of this....
Quote from: ravic on November 30, 2012, 06:56:06 PM
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 30, 2012, 04:13:08 PM
I always loved performing in the rain. Good times. Good times.
Including the frozen Christmas? Thought Jingles was going to turn into a Sherrysicle.
I had on wellies and my Texas Body Hangings heavy velvet cloak and I was toasty and dry. I really did have a good time. It didn't hurt that there was a jet engine (or sorts) in the entertainment building to keep us warm and dry as well when we needed it.
bah, buncha thin-blooded sunborns. We Northmen frostborns love that kind of weather ;D
Aye. In the winter, at my castle, we set the heat to come on when the temperature inside drops to 62.
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on December 02, 2012, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: ravic on November 30, 2012, 06:56:06 PM
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 30, 2012, 04:13:08 PM
I always loved performing in the rain. Good times. Good times.
Including the frozen Christmas? Thought Jingles was going to turn into a Sherrysicle.
I had on wellies and my Texas Body Hangings heavy velvet cloak and I was toasty and dry. I really did have a good time. It didn't hurt that there was a jet engine (or sorts) in the entertainment building to keep us warm and dry as well when we needed it.
I remember that thing from two years ago. Jeff recruited me to try to keep it running that day it rained and was 35F out. Finally got it working and everyone crowded around. Good times!
Quote from: Breandan on December 02, 2012, 05:53:25 PM
bah, buncha thin-blooded sunborns. We Northmen frostborns love that kind of weather ;D
Didn't you leave around... ummm... Saturday and not come back? ;D
*points at Tiff*
My thinblooded sunborn wife made me :D
Quote from: Breandan on December 02, 2012, 05:53:25 PM
bah, buncha thin-blooded sunborns. We Northmen frostborns love that kind of weather ;D
I didn't have that much of a problem.
A. I used to live in Montana.
B. I work faire, not much bothers me anymore.
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on December 01, 2012, 06:05:25 AM
Quote from: ravic on November 30, 2012, 06:56:06 PM
Quote from: Tudor-Diva on November 30, 2012, 04:13:08 PM
I always loved performing in the rain. Good times. Good times.
Including the frozen Christmas? Thought Jingles was going to turn into a Sherrysicle.
Closing 2007? That's what got me into *waves hands around* all of this....
I remember bits of that weekend... that's what got me into "all of this" as well.
That was the closing weekend the year the Lovely Lady Trinn and I were married. On the sleety death day we just stayed in the tent and... um... kept warm
Also that was the night that we were inducted into CHAOS.
All in all it wasn't that bad a trip.
*plenty of rum during the day kept away the chills as well*
It sleeted briefly on the opening weekend Sunday of Sherwood last year. We had separated from one of our traveling companions, and when we found him, he was sitting at a picnic table, eating pizza...in the sleet. We've never seen anyone who could eat like he does...
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on December 05, 2012, 07:09:08 AM
It sleeted briefly on the opening weekend Sunday of Sherwood last year.
I remember that! We were out on that Saturday and the little one was keeping me in pain because I was out in the cold! LOL
I mostly remember not wanting to move away from the fire by the standing stones for the last couple hours of opening day last year at Sherwood. We were fine for most of the day, but once the sun started setting it got brutal.
Quote from: Riff Raff on December 05, 2012, 02:56:45 PM
I mostly remember not wanting to move away from the fire by the standing stones for the last couple hours of opening day last year at Sherwood. We were fine for most of the day, but once the sun started setting it got brutal.
Worry not. I will stock plenty of firewood by the Seven Sisters for the 2013 season. Since we are also clearing additional camping area thanks to the clan The Claw, we will have additional cut wood available.
Quote from: maeven on December 05, 2012, 10:28:40 AM
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on December 05, 2012, 07:09:08 AM
It sleeted briefly on the opening weekend Sunday of Sherwood last year.
I remember that! We were out on that Saturday and the little one was keeping me in pain because I was out in the cold! LOL
I remember it because we were right in the middle tearing down the tent, lol! Then drove back to Dallas in it, ugh.
Quote from: Riot on December 06, 2012, 12:23:07 PM
Quote from: maeven on December 05, 2012, 10:28:40 AM
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on December 05, 2012, 07:09:08 AM
It sleeted briefly on the opening weekend Sunday of Sherwood last year.
I remember that! We were out on that Saturday and the little one was keeping me in pain because I was out in the cold! LOL
I remember it because we were right in the middle tearing down the tent, lol! Then drove back to Dallas in it, ugh.
I remember that because woke up and thought "There's no way in HELL we're changing from garb to 'danes in the parking lot to drive back to Dallas" so we went bundled up in 'danes and scared everyone we knew! hehe
Good times, good times.