I know everybody has there own pet peeves, and us who go to Faire tend not push belief's on to others. And of course at faire you find people who support PETA and many like myself who do not. What brought this up was I saw one of there adds " I rather go nude than wear fur" with one of the Olympic swimmers as the spokes person. And as I was looking at AOL news came a cross were one of the PETA people in the UK had pitched a bucket of blood on a woman who was wearing a fur coat. Has anybody had this kind of problem while wearing there garb, I know a lot of Rennie's wear fur with there garb, I do. The most I have every seen or heard was at TRF and it was to teenage girls in mundanes talking about the fact there was so much fur being worn. So that's ya'lls take on this.
I just think that the idea of wearing fur (real fur) is kind of icky. If you want to, fine, but I won't touch it. I just won't. (I would feel better if I knew the animal wasn't just bludgened out in the backwoods and skinned and just left there, or raised in an overcrowded pen and had a horrible life) I don't know why, but real fur just squicks me out.
Faux-fur, though, I have no problem with. You can get stuff that looks essentially the same as real, without killing an animal.
Though, I have no problem with leather...
Question, though. Where do the PETA people get the blood? Or do they just use red paint, but it is always referred to as blood for dramatic effect? Or is it stage blood?
QuoteQuestion, though. Where do the PETA people get the blood? Or do they just use red paint, but it is always referred to as blood for dramatic effect? Or is it stage blood?
That
is a real good question. Another one would be: can they be sure that the "fur" that they are dumping blood or spray painting is real and not the faux-fur that is so close to the real thing
Sorry. . .but one of the things that I find so silly is the use of fur. If you're a Bible-thumping Christian than you realize that the animals on the planet were meant for us to rule and use (see Genesis). If you're a Wiccan/naturalist/pagan then you realize the common natural law of survival of the fittest.
Either way, as the most "fit" of nature/god's creatures, we should use all of the parts of the beast we've killed in the most "green" way. I.E., meat to eat, fur to wear, bones for tools. . . . part of nature/god's plan is that we got bigger brains than the other critters and can manufacture such things (I'm still waiting for the true church of the Opposable Thumb). It's our gift from nature/god to use the dead things to improve our lives. . . like maggots eat dead flesh and birds use dead fur for nests. . .we use the creatures we kill to continue our lives.
Those with the idea that "we know better" are a contradiction. We're no better than the slug that enjoys the cement we created to better leave his sent for a mate. We're no better than the asphalt we left in the schoolyard of Chernobyl that's now become a protective seeding ground for the Russian Red Maple (thought to be extinct until MAN made the Chernobyl mistake).
Stupid people think that nature/god is not controlling what we think are mistakes like pollution? How dumb can you get to think that with just a blink of chaos, all man would become extinct and new forms of life would come to grow out of our ashes.
Everyone wants to live forever and that's the center of all our problems, m'thinks. You don't live forever. When you die. . .you die. Like the moth that died when hitting the lamp on your back porch. . . like the neighbor's dog Fluffy who hung himself jumping off the porch when he saw a rabbit. . .to your cousin Vic who flew 60 feet after hitting his own windshield.
Only human arrogance of "deserving" or being "entitled" to live after death is the cause of Global Warming. Check the ice flow data. . . . NASA will tell you that EVERY 10,000 YEARS THE SAME THING HAPPENS. The ozone depletes. . . the gamma comes in and kills a lot of stuff. . .then the ozone repairs itself and nature continues.
Fur is like man. It serves a purpose then it's gone.
sorry. . .it was soapbox time here at the vinyard. . .ooooooo. . . my glass is empty! LOL
I chose to not wear fur however I will and do enjoy wearing leather. It's a personal preference. I must admit whenever I see someone wearing a real fur coat, I cringe. Prolly because I know so many animals are killed just to wear their fur and that's where I disagree. However if the ENTIRE animal is going to be put to good purpose, then it's life has been useful hence my fondness of leather. It would not be cost effective for cattle farmers to put down a cow without using it's meat too.
PETA....Doesn't that stand for People Eating Tasty Animals?
My belief is that there are too many people that know what is right for everyone else. Sometimes it is hard for me to believe that I grew up in a time when we were trying to create a better world, at least that was the intention of the Flower children in the 60s...but as with everything else they basically became Domestic Urban terrorists...Unfortunately they never understood that not everyone shares their views or politics.
Sad :(
I havent personally run into problems with PETA at faires, but granted, I don't wear too much fur or leather at faire either. It's too bloody hot! I would doubt there would be much issue with it though, must people in PETA (that seems kind of redundant, "people in PETA" :P) aren't running around tossing buckets of blood on coats, the worst I've ever had to really deal with is someone occationaly getting a little preachy about how their tofu burger and saled is better then my steak with gravy.
I have no issue with what they believe, hell, I could even go as far as to say I agree that animals SHOULDN'T be treated inhumainly, even though I'm both a hunter, and son of a small time cattle rancher. I only have issues when they get in my face about it
I have never been confronted about Enrique at a Faire and he is the only fur that I wear. Of Course Enrique is nearly 80 years old.
I don't use real fur in my garb because I prefer not to. I'm a little squeamish about killing an animal just for its fur. If you want to use fur in your garb, there is a lot of fake fur out there that looks very real.
I also don't believe that PETA has the right to through blood or red paint on people wearing fur.
It just makes them a laughingstock, since it spawned the joke about why PETA throws red paint on blue haired ladies in fur coats instead of big hulking bikers in leather pants and jackets.
Quote from: Celtic Lady on August 11, 2008, 08:09:18 PM
QuoteQuestion, though. Where do the PETA people get the blood? Or do they just use red paint, but it is always referred to as blood for dramatic effect? Or is it stage blood?
That is a real good question. Another one would be: can they be sure that the "fur" that they are dumping blood or spray painting is real and not the faux-fur that is so close to the real thing
I hope no one here is a PETA member, if I offend you, sorry this is how I feel.
With some of the PETA members it doesn't matter. Some don't even like fake fur because it "seems" real, and therefore you shouldn't even be wearing that.
I personally can't stand PETA. I think they do more harm than good.
"Oh how can you hunt those poor defenseless deer!"-It doesn't matter to them that those deer will starve to death if not thinned out... In some cases the same radicals who would have a fit over a hunter killing a duck, would just as soon turn around and bludgeon that hunter with his own gun. Or they want to put a stop to some animal testing lab, so they bomb it. So much for the sanctity of life...
So why don't they leave the hunters and the fur wearers alone and go after the old lady down the street with 50 starving cats, or the small hobby farm with the horse showing every rib. Oh wait, because they won't get any publicity for the small time stuff. If they can't get publicity they don't care.
I'm all for the humane treatment of animals but PETA, in my opinion, are mostly a bunch of wackos. There may be some non radicals in the bunch but you know what they say about a few bad apples.
Besides, I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat veggies!
As far as PETA at faire is concerned, I think it's incrdibly arrogant of them to protest at an event where people are trying to show what life was like in a certain time period. People used animals and skins, bones, etc, in their everyday lives. Wasn't it a matter of survival? I can't imagine anyone back then thinking, hmm..I can't eat this poor defenseless creature, that's mean.
Lady Neysa, I believe those are the very extreamits I was talking about. you should see some of the "slaugher house horror" videos they've passed out near schools I've gone to
Actually I would rather have Italian or White Bread than anything on a peta.......
oh, not that kind of peta.......oh well...off to the non-drinking thread next....
There's a reason PETA doesn't come to the faires.
Mainly cause the exchange would go-
Peta: HA! You wear fur/leather, I shall bombard you with paint!
Faire-goer(outside the front gates, cause PETA wouldn't get in with a bucket of paint)- SHING! Come any closer and I stab you. In Self defence
Peta: *Wets self and runs away*
Quote from: sealclubber on August 12, 2008, 02:09:59 PM
There's a reason PETA doesn't come to the faires.
Mainly cause the exchange would go-
Peta: HA! You wear fur/leather, I shall bombard you with paint!
Faire-goer(outside the front gates, cause PETA wouldn't get in with a bucket of paint)- SHING! Come any closer and I stab you. In Self defence
Peta: *Wets self and runs away*
*snort*
If any PETA member has a problem with someone at faire, they can just leave.
I've never experienced any problems with such but there will be no mercy the day that a PETA member splashes red paint any of Reds (one of the twins of TRF/Scarby and future queen of Songwood) Queen Elizabeth gowns.
Quote from: DonaCatalina on August 12, 2008, 08:38:14 AM
since it spawned the joke about why PETA throws red paint on blue haired ladies in fur coats instead of big hulking bikers in leather pants and jackets.
OH, I know the answer to that.
Because most blue haired old ladies don't carry guns and knives and will most likely not be travelling in packs of 10 or more.
I love this quote...
"It is as if PETA prefers the idea of animals to animals themselves".
There are hundreds of stories of PETA's poor treatment of animals, enough to make me believe they are a case of "More Holy than Thou"...search and find...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL
Another quote, oh yes PETA kills plenty!..."The organization has been criticized for some of its campaigns and for the number of animals it euthanizes." See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETA
Or this:
http://www.doggienews.com/2005/06/more-information-on-peta-animal.htm
Have any of you seen the videos that PETA puts out? I've only seen a few and they are truely discusting. They often show animals on farms being abused, beaten and tormented. They give you the impression that pigs sent for slaughter are disembowed while they are still sometimes alive and slowly die as they bleed out hanging on a hook that is running on a convaier line heading to be cut up.
What is truely grotesque was when I read news articles stating that "PETA often stages those videos themselves because even though they know that it is happening, they can never get video evidence of it, even when they sneak onto the farms with cameras and hide them in the slaughter houses.
Individuals that are members of, or donators to PETA I don't have issue with. most of them truely do want the best, but are misinformed about what is truely going on, but as a whole, I'm offended by the organisation.
Ok. That is just wrong.
My family has slaughtered their own hogs as long as I've been alive. I have never ever seen a hog slaughtered and butchered in the manner that you say is in that PETA video.
There is enough real animal cruelty in the world without these kind of falsehoods.
When word of these kind of false presentations become general knowledge it just makes it harder for legitimate organizations like the SPCA.
And shame on us for having dogs and cats sharing their homes with us.
I'm sure they'd really love my hat device which includes an ermine skull and rooster feathers.
PETA is way the farg out of control! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/rant.gif)
All I could wish for is...
1.) To load Ingrid Newkirk and all her PETA members into a large cargo plane.
2.) Then dump them in the most far-out reaches of the northwest territories.
3.) Then see how long it takes them to emerge with a "raccoon on a stick!"
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/eagle_roo_lr.jpg)
Since Penn and Teller got their start at the MRF it may be appropriate to reference them. Their series "bovine poopie" did a segment on PETA. They documented that PETA supports violent terrorism. They also documented that of all the animal rights and humane organizations, PETA kills a larger percentage of "rescued" animals than any other. As for me PETA has no credibility!!
They may have no credibility, but they have power. And, at least someone is trying to look out for critters, however imperfect.
"If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?"
To me, it looks these animals were given royal treatment...
(http://vegetarianorganicblog.com/pix/double_bacon_cheeseburger.jpg)
(http://usversusthem.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/grilled_steak.jpg)
(http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/images/chicken_honeyfivespice.jpg)
(http://www.seriouseats.com/required_eating/images/ham-bone_in-460w.jpg)
.....and that is all I have to say on this subject. ;D
And they look a might tasty, I might add ;D
Regardless of one's feelings on the wearing of fur or leather, it is wrong to throw blood, paint, etc., on another human being.
Interesting topic. I, for one, have never had a problem with anyone at faire making negative comments on my leather garb/accessories. I have no fur. And I do not agree with ANY type of group forcing their beliefs on others. In this country, we have the right to choose our religion, eating habits, political affiliations, etc. It's silly for others to preach what others should wear or eat. I don't stand in front of a Jewish temple and say their beliefs are wrong. And I simply ABHOR the fanatics that dress up like Doctor Death and parade in front of abortion clinics, holding up dead fetuses in jars and passing out pamphlets showing severed fetus limbs and parts. Extremists are everywhere I guess.
And as for the acts committed in the name of animals, I always thought that ALF (Animal Liberation Front) and ARM (Animal Rights Militia) were more radical that PETA, having claimed responsibility for sinking whaling ships, arson, etc.
Deadbishop you probably just made some Vegan somewhere throw up! Not that there's anything wrong with vegetarianism-I'm just sayin'! ;D
Have you seen the new Wendy's "meatatarian" commercial?
Quote from: Lady Neysa on August 15, 2008, 09:47:45 AM
Have you seen the new Wendy's "meatatarian" commercial?
~stands up~
Hi. My name is PurpleDragon and I'm a Meatatarian.
You guys are making me hungry.
Hey, did you know that the frozen chicken nuggets you get at Safeway are actually really good for breakfast? ;D
I support animal rights. As in, anybody that has pets, if you neglect or abuse them, you should be shot, preferably in the head. Hunters, okay, go ahead, as long as you use the majority of the animal; eat the meat, if you don't tan hides, someone out there does. Just try to make sure it suffers as little as possible.
Not my thing, but if you want to, good on ya, go for it.
*mmm, chicken nuggets for breakfast...*
Quote from: Deadbishop on August 15, 2008, 12:25:54 AM
To me, it looks these animals were given royal treatment...
(http://vegetarianorganicblog.com/pix/double_bacon_cheeseburger.jpg)
Holy double bacon cheese burger, my arteries are hardening already!
Quote from: Deadbishop on August 15, 2008, 12:25:54 AM
To me, it looks these animals were given royal treatment...
(http://vegetarianorganicblog.com/pix/double_bacon_cheeseburger.jpg)
All Hail the Monster Burger!
I never encountered PETA but I appreciate where they are coming from. I am not an advocate of killing animals just for fur, and I think animals can be slaughtered in a painless manner and should always be afforded that.
As a hunter I do sometimes keep fur - for example, deer hides. But pretty much everything is used from the deer. The bones, the meat, and the fur. And for someone to throw blood on the hide doesn't make sense to me and I will tell you why:
If you destroy a fur coat for example, all you do is cause that person to go out and get a replacement fur coat. You've just cost twice the amount of fur consumption than if you had left it alone or taking a different approach.
I don't hunt, had a very difficult time even killing the mice that entered my house last winter (the whole neighborhood was infested once the stray cats were removed). Yes, I eat meat, I know where it comes from, I choose to buy only where I know the animal had a good life and a quick death.
I do own a fur, it was handed down to me. I wear it, and I don't feel guilty, however I do not see myself ever Buying a fur. I consider leather a by-product of an animal who was killed for food, so again no problem there, I'm not causing an animal to be slaughtered just so I can have shoes or a belt.
People who buy and wear furs, fine, it's their karma and not my place to judge.
Dayna
PETA, like so many things was a good idea gone way bad. I never condone the mistreatment of animals for scientific purposes. But there is a difference in mistreatment and real scientific research. I had a friend in high school how was very much becoming what I affectionately call, a PETA head. She was very active against any kind of testing or research involving animals for anything. I asked her once if she had a child, and that child became sick, and needed a drug that could save their child's life. But the drug had not been tested because of her ideals. Would she prefer her child be the "gunie pig" for it instead? She emphatically said yes. Well as time went bye she had a child and one night I reminded her of our little discussion. She then said that she understood and that she had a change of heart in that case.
What I get a kick out of is the stories of PETA people who do such stupid things for their cause. Like the story of the people who released the minks from a farm in England or somewhere. Only to discover that the mink is actually a very aggressive species and they had now introduced a non native animal that could, in all likely hood, hunt to extinction some native animals in that area. Yeah good idea there huh??
Or the activists that released pigs from a farm and were trampled to death by the very animals they just released. I wonder what they were thinking as that was going on?
I asked once during an add campaign of theirs, when they claimed that Jesus was a vegetarian. How can they make a claim like that when in truth he was raised in the jewish faith. Well from my understanding what do they eat during passover, last I heard it was lamb?? I doubt they ate tofu for that meal.
Okay time to get off this soap box. You really shouldn't let me go on like that ya know.
Funny when I wrote this thread I wasn't sure if I was going to stur up a hornet's nest or walk into a minefield. But it's been nice to see all the diffrent points of view. As for me I like fur and if I lived some were it was cool or cold, I would love to have a buffalo coat or sheepskin bomber jacket. But winter here in Arkansas just isn't cold enough for one. But you know people would be surprised if they know that most everything that from the slutherhoses are used, all the meat, and organs, the hides and even the fat. And the fat is rendered and used in most of the soaps we all use.
Some have a problem with this, that animals are killed for any use, and to them I say go of and live in the middle of know were and eat grass, and live like an animal. You will no dough die out and we will be done with you. The way I see PETA, ALF, ELF and all there of shoots, as nothing more then home grown brain washed,terrorist. And sad to say most are 15 to 25 years old, whom have never lived life or traveled around the world to see how others live. But as for me I will still hunt, and eat meat, and yes wear fur.
Lord Figaro said it very well, PETA is "a good idea gone way bad". I think that they think they mean well, but somewhere along the way, they really lost their perspective, and passion turned to rabid fanaticism.
I don't condone mistreatment of animals, but I love leather, and I love meat. I sincerely hope that the ribeye I eat for dinner as I sit in my leather chair went without suffering.
I have a hard time imagining PETA kooks showing up at TRF; I think even they would shy from the idea of venturing into the boonies to pick a squabble with people in exotic costumes packing alcohol and pointy things!
I can't see a car load of them comming to TRF to stand out side the gate to protest eather, but I'm sure there are some of them in are mist inside the Faire, eather as mundanes or rennies and it's all they can do not to say what they think or believe in. And no doubt they are just sick to their stomaches seeing so many people wearing leather and fur.
If they keep it to themselves and find a way to have a good time, cool; if it offends them and they can't bear to return, cool too. Either way, it's all good!
Quote from: Tipsy Gypsy on August 15, 2008, 07:50:29 PMI have a hard time imagining PETA kooks showing up at TRF; I think even they would shy from the idea of venturing into the boonies to pick a squabble with people in exotic costumes packing alcohol and pointy things!
Wonder what the PETA folks would say to the Royal Falconer at TRF? "Hey ... you can't let those falcons, eagles, vultures etc. eat
meat ... it's just not right!" I'm sure security would be glad to escort them out (or to jail) if they tried to throw blood or paint on the birds of prey. :P
They must love all the Turkey legs being grilled there too :D
PETA would probably have fits over TRF's horses, elephant, and camel. (Does TRF have an elephant and camel? Or is that Sterling? It gets hard to keep it straight...)
In defense of PETA, I have to say that sometimes you have to use extreme measures to get people to pay attention at all. Most of their staging is to do just that. They may not get everyone to follow every single thing they advocate, but they may get people to think in the first place about choices they make. If they end up just making people treat animals more humanely, that is a huge victory in itself.
Personally, I have a question in my mind about the elephants at TRF as well, although the horses and camels don't bother me. Horses and camels have long been domesticated and typically are trained in a more humane fashion than elephants usually are, although I don't know the history of the TRF elephants and where they have obtained them from. And I know for a fact that many horses appear to enjoy their work that they do for humans. Some of the jousting troupes rescue horses from certain death, which I'm sure most PETA members would find commendable.
As far as birds of prey eating meat, well, they need to. I don't think that PETA would take issue with that, as long as the birds are humanely treated while in the custody of their human caretakers.
Once upon a time way back when ,I sold vintage clothing and did have fur coats from the 1920's and up!
I lived in a cold place- VT and wore Raccoon coats! They were warm! When people asked me not to wear fur I calmly told them it died in it's sleep of old age and was recycled!
I still wear my old furs now and then- but never had any problems at faire. If someone makes a derisive comment about my garb- my wand is ready with spell they will not find pleasing.
Would it be the kind of spell Queen Bonnie, that makes ones "naughty" body parts rot and fall off?
Quote from: dspotz on August 15, 2008, 11:54:47 AM
Quote from: Deadbishop on August 15, 2008, 12:25:54 AM
To me, it looks these animals were given royal treatment...
(http://vegetarianorganicblog.com/pix/double_bacon_cheeseburger.jpg)
All Hail the Monster Burger!
I work at Hardee's. That's the burger I affectionately call "Heart Attack in a Box".
Quote from: D Oliver on August 18, 2008, 08:46:45 AM
I work at Hardee's. That's the burger I affectionately call "Heart Attack in a Box".
Gods do I miss Hardee's... Their burgers were/are THE BEST.
My taste buds have applauded them on many occasion! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/grinning-smiley-004.gif)
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 18, 2008, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: D Oliver on August 18, 2008, 08:46:45 AM
I work at Hardee's. That's the burger I affectionately call "Heart Attack in a Box".
Gods do I miss Hardee's... Their burgers were/are THE BEST.
Never heard of a Hardee's, but now I want one..
Isn't it interesting that in a discussion about PETA at Faire, we end up discussing where the best hamburgers can be found?
Hardee's
Jack In The Box
Roy Rogers
Wendy's
Dairy Queen
Carl's Jr
In and Out
White Castle
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 18, 2008, 09:20:28 AM
Isn't it interesting that in a discussion about PETA at Faire, we end up discussing where the best hamburgers can be found?
Hardee's
Jack In The Box
Roy Rogers
Wendy's
Dairy Queen
Carl's Jr
In and Out
White Castle
I'm going to have to add
Sonic
C.B. and Potts (Colorado brew pub chain)
Tailgate Tommies (Colorado only)
The Yellow sub (Colorado only)
Chilies
Wapiti in Estes Park (Elk Burgers OH MY!)
A&W
I'll have to Stike Jack in the box as everytime I ate there I got sick or they screwed up my burger and I have an Iron stomach)
Quote from: Sir Robert of Essex on August 18, 2008, 09:16:03 AM
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 18, 2008, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: D Oliver on August 18, 2008, 08:46:45 AM
I work at Hardee's. That's the burger I affectionately call "Heart Attack in a Box".
Gods do I miss Hardee's... Their burgers were/are THE BEST.
Never heard of a Hardee's, but now I want one..
Some parts of the country have Carl's Jr. It's the same as Hardee's, just a different name. Hardee's features 1/3 pound, 1/2 pound, and 2/3 pound Black Angus burgers. The Monster Burger (above) is two 1/3 pound patties, three large slices of American cheese, four strips of bacon, and mayo. One of my faves - just hold the mayo (barbecue sauce instead....YUM).
Best burgers in the world are at a little dive bar on the Crow River called Millside Tavern. I don't believe they have cleaned the grill since 1982, we're talking fully 'seasoned'! Lord, now I gotta go get one of thier bacon double cheeses with fried onions. I might feel a little better if I ask them to put it on "PETA" bread! ;D
I dunno about best in the world, but the best greaseburgers in Bryan Texas are at the Dixie Chicken/Chicken Oil Company (sister businesses). Gooey, drippy, greasy goodness. Pair that with an order of Tijuana Fries- smothered in melted Colby/Jack and dunked in ranch dressing, sort of a redneck poutine- it's heart attack heaven.
You can carve your name in the tables and chairs, and the walls and ceilings are covered in vintage tools, gas station signs, beer can collections, dance hall playbills, and every other kind of nostalgic junk imagineable. I love taking visitors there!
Hey, PETA, my hamburger was a vegetable, once...
Quote from: Sir Robert of Essex on August 18, 2008, 09:16:03 AM
Never heard of a Hardee's, but now I want one..
Hardees is Carl's Jr. out West.
Fast Eddie's Bon Air in Alton, Illinois. They have the $.95 1/2lb. Fat Eddie Burger. That's right, 1/2 pound of pure beef for only 95 pennies.
Quote from: Malcolm on August 19, 2008, 12:45:12 AM
Fast Eddie's Bon Air in Alton, Illinois. They have the $.95 1/2lb. Fat Eddie Burger. That's right, 1/2 pound of pure beef for only 95 pennies.
me and some friends went there for the 1st time about 2 weeks ago, and I gotta say, it was a good burger.
Quote from: Malcolm on August 19, 2008, 12:45:12 AM
Fast Eddie's Bon Air in Alton, Illinois. They have the $.95 1/2lb. Fat Eddie Burger. That's right, 1/2 pound of pure beef for only 95 pennies.
95 cents!? Whats the catch? Is it just 99% fat or something? Or is it 95 cents for the meat but.. $4.50 if you want the bun and plate to go with it?? lol
no, its a real burger. its not fastfood quality, its not "I'm going to cook pre-formed patties" quallity, It's "I'm going to take a half pound of ground beef and grill it up" quality.
All of teh food there is very tasty and very cheep. the closest thing to a catch is the one drink minimum, but hey, who would go to a bar and order a burger without a beer anyways?
What the?!? I come back to catch up on what was an intelligent discussion and what do I find? Hamburgers interloping on this thread! LOL. ;D
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/burger_spin.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/threadjacked.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/burger_spin.gif)
Quote from: Scarlett on August 19, 2008, 10:21:57 AM
What the?!? I come back to catch up on what was an intelligent discussion and what do I find? Hamburgers interloping on this thread! LOL. ;D
My bad..I got hungry.. :'(
Quote from: Scarlett on August 19, 2008, 10:21:57 AM
What the?!? I come back to catch up on what was an intelligent discussion and what do I find? Hamburgers interloping on this thread! LOL. ;D
Blame it on the Meatatarian's. They always do that.
Oh Yeah.. I forgot one;
The South's answer to White Castle (although it falls WAY short) KRYSTAL'S. ;)
KKKKKKKKKKKKRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYSSSSSSTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL's
My fox tail came from roadkill, lol.
Well, at least that's what the vendor told me!
If you are what you eat, then a cow is a vegetarian and that makes it a vegetarian meal for me as far as I'm concerned. :o (lol).
I have a vegetarian friend whom I call an ethical meatatarian. He will only eat meat if it's had a name. In other words, if you have a cow and everyday you go out and you say "HEY BESSIE!" and slap it on the bum and then you slaughter it for food, he'll eat it. Otherwise, meat is not on his daily menu.
Personally, I am not a friend of PETA and feel that PETA needs to stay the hell out of my faire (NYRF) or any faire for that matter. You know, just because a sword is peace tied doesn't stop a New Yorker from yielding it should a fellow rennie be doused with paint! We have many people at our faire who wear fur, fur tails, horse tails, short fur cloaks, dress like vikings with fur and others who wear lots of leather! Hell, I just bought my hubby a leather jerkin and I'm proud of it! I work in a leather boot store at faire and for chits and giggles I'll wear my cow print ren skirt that I made and tell people that THIS is what is left of the cow when I'm done making boots! :P
(Last year at Day of wrong. I was a "cow girl" HERZALL YA'ALL! YA'ALL SEEN DA QUEEN? (in my most obnoxious southern accent!)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/renfairewench/DayofWrongCowgirl.jpg)
Actually, I haven't seen much local activity out of any PETA people lately. I wonder if lack of disposable income has narrowed the focus of the general membership.
Quote from: DonaCatalina on July 18, 2012, 08:35:43 AM
Actually, I haven't seen much local activity out of any PETA people lately. I wonder if lack of disposable income has narrowed the focus of the general membership.
Or a return to reality
Quote from: Scarlett on August 19, 2008, 10:21:57 AM
What the?!? I come back to catch up on what was an intelligent discussion and what do I find? Hamburgers interloping on this thread! LOL. ;D
Intelligent discussion?
HERE?!? There doesn't seem to be a PETA problem around here since the Donner family moved in on one side, and the Lecter family on the other. I think some of the other neighbors have moved out. I haven't seen them in a while.
I have been lucky enough to work with several species of animals during my life, and I'll tell ya - I have yet to meet anyone from peta that knows the first thing about animals. In fact, many seem to be afraid of, if not openly hostile to animals (not too fond of people either).
But the real point I'd like to make is this - wouldn't it be great if people could leave their politics at home for ONE stinkin' day? It's hard to get away from it - especially in an election year, but if there's one thing RenFests offer, it's escapism. Leave the t-shirts, the buttons and the attitude at home for the day. Time to go out and have some fun! Get into the spirit of it! It's not that hard - for even the most mundane of us, it's hard NOT to get sucked into the festivities, and want to be a part of it. Politics can suck the fun right out of anything.
The crowd that likes hassling people over fur and leather, cry "no fair" when you point out their own leather belts, shoes and jackets. Take it outside, buddy.
I used to work with a guy who claimed he was vegan for ethical reasons. He took me to lunch one day in his car with full leather seating....
Anyway, PETA is one of those organizations that make "liberal" people look bad. They go to the extreme on their views, which is basically don't eat meat or use animal products. KFC is bad, they abuse chickens, that's fine. Wearing a fur coat made from an endangered species is bad. It's fine to protest against these things, work with politicians to regulate the industry better, etc. But throwing paint on people and yelling at them in public isn't going to get you much support.
Living in Michigan, I know people who hunt rabbit, deer, etc, legally, and use the entire animal. Some people use the deer and rabbit skins for part of the ren fest costume, or give them to friends to use on theirs. I think this is great, and should be commended. More of the animal is used. There are also places that farm animals like rabbits for their pelts, but also sell the meat so that the entire animal is used. You can do a google search about ethical fur farming and read about it.
Fake furs are also a great alternative. I don't buy into the fact that fake furs encourage the fur industry. That's like saying giving a kid a root beer is going to encourage them to become and alcoholic.
Extremism just doesn't work...for ANYONE. Part of what PETA stands for, I support. I do not like for animals to be tortured, and unfortunately, that's the big business model when you get right down to it. There is a better way.
PETA doesn't like zoos. Like it or not, without zoos and rescue organizations, there are species that would have already become extinct...and may yet! Just because we keep animals, doesn't mean we don't care. While it is true that some zoos don't do a very good job, but certification is helping to raise the standards.
Do I hear an amen to that
Amen!
I have never run afoul of PETA people. They have their point and the right to express it. However if one of them ever throws someting on my clothing that is not ale or wine, I have been told that my size 14 boots with spurs would feel very uncomfortable entering an indivduals nether regions and even worse when extracting said footware.
I haven't ran into PETA at fairs, but when I was just getting into faires and researching into it, I somehow came across a website of a small church somewhere that had set up a booth or whatnot outside of a faire to protest to " New Age / wicca / pagan / " ness of the faire. I can't find the exact website now ( I remember the booth was a tan, and was set in front of trees; vague I know ) but if you google around there's a few websites along that same lines.
Which is sad, I grew up in an Baptist church, and have two very faithful Catholic friends who both love renfaires but are steadfast as they come. Boggles the mind.
Quote from: scarletnyx on October 10, 2012, 07:57:08 PM
I haven't ran into PETA at fairs, but when I was just getting into faires and researching into it, I somehow came across a website of a small church somewhere that had set up a booth or whatnot outside of a faire to protest to " New Age / wicca / pagan / " ness of the faire. I can't find the exact website now ( I remember the booth was a tan, and was set in front of trees; vague I know ) but if you google around there's a few websites along that same lines.
Which is sad, I grew up in an Baptist church, and have two very faithful Catholic friends who both love renfaires but are steadfast as they come. Boggles the mind.
That proves the protesters don't know their history. ;)
'Renaissance faires' by their very definition portray life and society during one of the most intensely religious times in European history. The church was a pervasive and dominant presence at all public social gatherings, and fairs and festivals were a favored venue for selling indulgences, religious medals and holy water. In fact, most annual village Faires were held on Saint's Days.
The primarily Fairy/Fantasy festivals are about as close as anything at faire gets to 'pagan', and the festivals that concentrate on that aspect are not
technically Renaissance Faires, at least anymore than a Steampunk convention or Comicon is a 'Renaissance Faire'.
Quote from: Rowen MacD on October 11, 2012, 11:30:55 AM
Quote from: scarletnyx on October 10, 2012, 07:57:08 PM
I haven't ran into PETA at fairs, but when I was just getting into faires and researching into it, I somehow came across a website of a small church somewhere that had set up a booth or whatnot outside of a faire to protest to " New Age / wicca / pagan / " ness of the faire. I can't find the exact website now ( I remember the booth was a tan, and was set in front of trees; vague I know ) but if you google around there's a few websites along that same lines.
Which is sad, I grew up in an Baptist church, and have two very faithful Catholic friends who both love renfaires but are steadfast as they come. Boggles the mind.
That proves the protesters don't know their history. ;)
'Renaissance faires' by their very definition portray life and society during one of the most intensely religious times in European history. The church was a pervasive and dominant presence at all public social gatherings, and fairs and festivals were a favored venue for selling indulgences, religious medals and holy water. In fact, most annual village Faires were held on Saint's Days.
The primarily Fairy/Fantasy festivals are about as close as anything at faire gets to 'pagan', and the festivals that concentrate on that aspect are not technically Renaissance Faires, at least anymore than a Steampunk convention or Comicon is a 'Renaissance Faire'.
From my understanding the origin of the word "pagan" pretty much means a country dweller. So, if you go to a Faire, and live in the country, you are a pagan. And I'm sure a lot of people during the Renaissance period that -went- to these fairs ( or any gathering ) probably lived far off from the town center.
Now to play the devil's advocate here, some faires do have tarot card/palm reading booths, and I can understand if you are brought up with no reasoning sense how that could scare you. But! Guess what! just turn your head away and don't look at it! And don't go in! Problem solved.
Those are the same people that protest DragonCon every year.
I don't pay them any mind except for laughing at their sillyness
Quote from: Auryn on October 11, 2012, 01:19:00 PM
Those are the same people that protest DragonCon every year.
I don't pay them any mind except for laughing at their sillyness
I do know that the Westboro League of Morons regularly pickets Cons, was this a different group?
Rowen
I have no idea which group it was, noone paid them any attention.