Okay, we live our Faire time in a fantasy world, so this is a fantasy question.
If there was no limit, what would you want in the Playtron campgrounds?
I guess some items are:
Flushing toilets
Showers (and gasp, with hot water)
Water faucets
Dump station for RVs
Security fencing to keep non-campers out (this is a real toughie).
Campgrounds availability beyond Faire season.
Tavern/B&B at border of campgrounds with one access to Faire during season, but otherwise closed to Faire access. This would have mixed Playtron/Participant/Vendor rooming.
I need concrete suggestions. If you don't have a positive suggestion, please don't bother to respond. If I am to invest in a long term project, I need to know what the support base might be.
Room and board on-site seems like a good idea to me. To keep it "theme-like" it could be rough built, simple, not like a Best Western, but more like a bungalow or cabin or maybe even a multi-floor structure with long hallways leading to spartan, theme-oriented rooms. Maybe a basin with a water jar in the room...large down mattresses... Of course, I'm thinking running water (hot even) but it could be piped to the rooms in an unconventional manner...something in keeping with faire style. I've seen very creative ways of introducing modern conveniences to the faire while still hiding exactly HOW it's done. I'm sure the powers-that-be can devise some really cool and theme-oriented lodging on-site.
Keeping the "undesirables" from the camp grounds is another matter all together. They use to check people at the gate for tickets, but the possession of a ticket does not ensure adherence to any sort of societal standards. Also, what one person considers unacceptable conduct might seem normal to someone else so even if you do "check tickets" that does not mean that you'll keep out people who irritate you.
So, my only vote is for on-site lodging.
I vote for flushing toilets and showers!!!!!! Sorry, I got spoiled the year I worked faire and camped in particpants camping ;D Actually, I would be willing to forego the showers (many ways to work around that for myself) if there are flushing toilets...nothing worse than a port - a - potty that has not been emptied yet on a very hot day :(
WATER! In all it's forms.
If we can get just spigots in the campgrounds that would be wonderful.
Once we have water the steps to flushies, showers and RV dumping are much shorter. I want all of them I will fight/pay more/make reservations, whatever it takes to have water.
Something to keep the 22 going on 14 children out would be a great help, but that is going to correct itself. Sooner or later the antics of that crowd are going to cause King George to lose a massive lawsuit. Then he will either eliminate camping or keep the rowdies that are only there to raise h*ll under control.
I'm going to have to agree with Zaubon on the water, it is a major must when cooking and cleaning up afterwards. Dump station for R/V's would really be nice after a long weekend and have to pull a fully loaded 5th wheel camper back to Louisiana if we can't find a place to empty our tanks.
Although I havent camped at TRF, yet, I would have to agree with the water. I usually go camping at state parks and am used to a primitive area to camp. And then a walk to a shower and flushing toilet. So there are few of them and they are rarely close to camps. But they are there if needed which is always a wonderful thing.
I would pay a higher camping fee for a central bathroom facility and some way to dump water.
I don't think there is a practical way to keep the non-faire attendees out but we'd pay extra for that too. They annoy us. If they would just act right it wouldn't be an issue. I drive 4 hours to get intoxicated with you fine people, not put up with disrespectful teenagers at a bonfire. You can see that anywhere.
I think I've read that it wasn't practical to show faire tickets to get into the camping gate. But what about this idea: Up the camping fee significantly and then discount that amount at the ticket window to those with a camping receipt. You would still have the flexibility to choose which day(s) you go to the faire. I don't know. I'm just thinking aloud.
WATER!!!! That stuff is heavy to carry and takes up packing space I could use for firewood!
Well, here's a thought about guest/visitor control in the campgrounds.
Every vehicle requires either a camping permit or a visitor permit.
The visitor permit(s) must be purchased by someone who has purchased a camping permit. The visitor permit will cost the same, but when turned back in as the visitor leaves (say by 10 or 11 PM), then the fee is returned. No visitor permitted vehicles will be allowed in the camping area after this cut-off time.
Also, the camping fee is for a vehicle and up to four adult occupants. For every adult over this four, an additional $2 is charged. Since the camping fee is to recoup the costs of cleaning up after people and not cleaning up after vehicles, if a vehicle (say a bus) has more people, then more trash will be generated.
I have other ideas, but they would entail some costs to TRF management, so I won't bring them up (still missing the flowers around the area and the Maypole).
As I stated in the first message, this is purely a fanstasy discussion.
A sturdy wooden fence around the bonfire, and several permanent trash cans there as well. Tired of seeing the destruction of the grounds every morning I walk by there.
A pond. It doesn't need to be swimmable or anything like that. I think of it kinda like the maypole. There needs to be a few "peaceful" gathering points for people beisdes in our camps.
A pavillion wouldnt be bad. When I was at Pennsic they had a very large barn where anyone could hold dances, games, basically hold exhibitions or just gather in groups when it stormed. It only has three walls, though it had power. It wouldnt be hard to bring a generator out to light it up.
I'm a big fan of making it easier for folks to meet in a central location, making it easier to meet new people.
Running water would indeed be a godsend. I'd love to see electricity run in, but until they make areas reserved camping (so that power fees can be paid up front) thats not really possible.
A no mans land "field arena" wouldnt be bad. Amptgard people could show off for spectators, bocci ball, and all kinds of other group events. (loki legspreader freeze tag... whoever showed me that wonderfully hilarious game at excal... I owe you a drink)
I would need to meet a wizard with a motor home! That is my camping TRF wish!Then I would camp at TRF.I know I miss a lot of fun- but not into camping alone.
Not sure if ScoutColt was referring to a wooden fence to enclose the fire and spectators or just the fire and performers. But since the performances get disrupted so many times as the crowd inches in, I too would like to see some sort of boundary where people could stay back and not crowd the performers. This is also good for anyone who gets there early and set up chairs.
I would think that a short barrier a couple feet high would get the point across and still make it accessible for performers. On the other hand, I could also foresee drunks toppling over it into the fire. Hmmmm. Well kudos... err that is "Huzzah" to anyone who figures out a solution. The bonfire has such potential to be entertaining if these little things can be resolved.
Quote from: Justin on August 23, 2008, 09:05:54 PM
The bonfire has such potential to be entertaining if these little things can be resolved.
Well Justin. 10 years ago, the central bonfire was a great place for drumming, dancing, and just having a great time. Even as early as 3 years ago it wasn't too bad. Then began the flood of folks only interested in getting drunk/stoned for free and giving the women a very bad time.
I have some good ideas for improving the whole situation, but the solutions will cost money. Based on my observations of TRF, the profit overrides the expenses. If the cost won't generate a large revenue, then the idea is dropped. As a manager in a $300M/year business (which bought a portion of General Electric two years ago), I can see the reasoning in this. As a renfaire addict who loves to camp, it upsets me.
The way to approach working fixing the bonfire would be more safety and thus less liability to the faire itself... at least thats how I'd approach george with it. Because regardless of what those lil stickers say that say they aren't responsible.. they are handed out and watched responsibly enough for that to work if someone was intent on sueing them... and I'm sure they know that so the safety angle would probably play real big in getting things done.
I'm all for running water. I can give or take flushies, but with running water (with reliable pressure) people can set up their own showers, whether it's a zodi or one that is directly fed from the hose with propane to heat it (I need to find the name of it!!). Of course, having running water would probably affect the layout of the campsite, as in how do you control how many connections are made to a spigot to keep up water pressure.
As this is a fantasy list, I was always a fan of the suggestion to open a "period" pub within patrons camping. It could be run by a catering company, offering a handful of dining options (easy stuff like fish and chips, or stews) plus some drinks on tap (beer, mead). Now that they have the quickiemart onsite, I could easliy see them combining both of these places into a single structure.
The main change I'd make, even over running water and bathrooms, is to get the bad element out of the campgrounds. You know, the ones who don't even attend faire, who play music way too loud, way too long because they're too high to care about anyone around them, who leave their huge piles of trash when they leave and who insist on treating the back wash as a race course. I HATE that scum! Let's stamp them out! >:(
Haven't been there yet, and am really looking forward to my visit in November... but... my wish is the same as a lot of others.. Running water, please!!!! Please twice.. please please!! :)
how about larger and more trash recepticles?
I know the other one are styled to look older and all that, but they just aren't big enough
If they had regular dumpsters then maybe there wouldn't be quite so much trash.
I know a lot of it gets dropped on the ground by drunks and such, but most times when I go to drop my trash off I end up just setting it on the pile and hope there is a trash can under there somewhere.
*and free-flowing rum would be nice... as long as this is a wish list... wish big!*
My wish would be to go back to must have a ticket to enter the campgrounds. When that was enforced, there were not as many tweeners just looking for a place to party, and a lot less theiving going on.....
...and would love to see Marigolds again lining the way up the lane from parking.
Quote from: Aiacha on August 25, 2008, 10:00:02 AM
As this is a fantasy list, I was always a fan of the suggestion to open a "period" pub within patrons camping. It could be run by a catering company, offering a handful of dining options (easy stuff like fish and chips, or stews) plus some drinks on tap (beer, mead). Now that they have the quickiemart onsite, I could easliy see them combining both of these places into a single structure.
I wonder if this one could actually become a reality???? 'Twould be nice to have a 'nice' place to sit and eat in the evening after a hard days work inside without having to wait in line to get out of there and it taking an hour to get to town.
I dunno how I feel about shutting out people unless they have a ticket. I run my group and I don't always go into faire because I'm enjoying cooking, or just camping and seeing all of my friends and the general atmosphere of the good rennies....
Altho, it wouldnt exactly be hard to get around anyways. I'd just buy one of those "useable any weekend" tickets" and never use it until last weekend, and then just buy tickets whenever I feel like going in... so maybe it's not so bad.
Before they started charging fees for camping, you had to have a festival ticket to get into the campgrounds on Friday night. Now, I always told the guard that I was buying them at the gate and was let through, but those that did not know they could tell the guard that would just turn around and come back the next day.
Once they started charging for camping, they could not require (technically) you to have a festival ticket as you were paying an entry fee for the camping area. THIS unfortunately has led to the issues that were really prevalent last season with all those ravers and the rampant drugs and such that happened out there.
Then let's buy higher priced festival tickets at the campground gate. Or pay per head to camp and get a discount on tickets at the the gate or something to keep the people that only show looking for and causing trouble out.
Oughta hafta buy a year round camp pass or something. 50 bucks gets your vehicle a permanent doohickey for the year.
Both of those suggestions are good, however neither one would work. If you are charging for camping, you are no longer allowed to exclude someone, they have the right to be there if they have paid the fees for camping, they cannot be required to do anything more than camp for the weekend.
If TRF would go back to the idea of "Must have a ticket to the faire to camp", we might be able to regain some semblance of control in the campgrounds, but that is not likely to happen as the camping fees are a cash cow for them at this point.
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 26, 2008, 07:41:51 AM
Both of those suggestions are good, however neither one would work. If you are charging for camping, you are no longer allowed to exclude someone, they have the right to be there if they have paid the fees for camping, they cannot be required to do anything more than camp for the weekend.
If TRF would go back to the idea of "Must have a ticket to the faire to camp", we might be able to regain some semblance of control in the campgrounds, but that is not likely to happen as the camping fees are a cash cow for them at this point.
Then perhaps they should use some of that cash to hire proper security. If the hooligans start getting arrested that might deter them a bit too.
Quote from: Fenster on August 26, 2008, 08:45:02 AM
Then perhaps they should use some of that cash to hire proper security. If the hooligans start getting arrested that might deter them a bit too.
There are police officers that patrol the area, they cannot be everywhere, and will do their job if they are aware of the situation.
How about 2 different priced festival tickets regular one for those that don't camp and ones with $5.00 more that do. You would have to buy the faire ticket with camping privileges to get in. Child tickets could be excluded.
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 26, 2008, 09:06:27 AM
Quote from: Fenster on August 26, 2008, 08:45:02 AM
Then perhaps they should use some of that cash to hire proper security. If the hooligans start getting arrested that might deter them a bit too.
There are police officers that patrol the area, they cannot be everywhere, and will do their job if they are aware of the situation.
Hence the term "proper security."
If there had been "proper security" at the campgrounds, those idiots would've never gotten that keg tossed into the bonfire, and the drugheads would've been politely escorted off the property wearing bright, shiny new bracelets.
Quote from: Lord Dragonspyre on August 26, 2008, 09:52:34 AM
Hence the term "proper security."
If there had been "proper security" at the campgrounds, those idiots would've never gotten that keg tossed into the bonfire, and the drugheads would've been politely escorted off the property wearing bright, shiny new bracelets.
Trust me, there were plenty of arrests made, to include some by the TABC. The problem is, like in any city, the cops cannot be everywhere at once. A Security Officer (Guard) cannot physically detain you, their only duty is to observe and report, they do NOT have the ability to arrest anyone, and if the guy walks off they have to decide if he is worth following after or just leave him go.
Then again there is the issue of some a$$hat running around telling all these idiots "The cops are coming, hide your drugs", and well by the time the officer gets there, there are no drugs to be seen, and if they are not seen, unless he can smell, or see it, he does not have probable cause to search anything therefore they can go on with their partying as usual until the next "alarm" about the cops coming is sounded.
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 26, 2008, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: Lord Dragonspyre on August 26, 2008, 09:52:34 AM
Hence the term "proper security."
If there had been "proper security" at the campgrounds, those idiots would've never gotten that keg tossed into the bonfire, and the drugheads would've been politely escorted off the property wearing bright, shiny new bracelets.
Trust me, there were plenty of arrests made, to include some by the TABC. The problem is, like in any city, the cops cannot be everywhere at once. A Security Officer (Guard) cannot physically detain you, their only duty is to observe and report, they do NOT have the ability to arrest anyone, and if the guy walks off they have to decide if he is worth following after or just leave him go.
Then again there is the issue of some a$$hat running around telling all these idiots "The cops are coming, hide your drugs", and well by the time the officer gets there, there are no drugs to be seen, and if they are not seen, unless he can smell, or see it, he does not have probable cause to search anything therefore they can go on with their partying as usual until the next "alarm" about the cops coming is sounded.
Ah, but this is where you have half of your police officers in uniform, and the other half in plainclothes. The idiots see that there are less cops around, making them think it's safe to pull out the drugs, when all along across the campfire sits a cop in civvies...
Quote from: Lord Dragonspyre on August 26, 2008, 10:54:48 AM
Ah, but this is where you have half of your police officers in uniform, and the other half in plainclothes. The idiots see that there are less cops around, making them think it's safe to pull out the drugs, when all along across the campfire sits a cop in civvies...
Oh, I am in complete agreement that the law enforcement could be handled much better out there... It is a matter of the fact that Todd Mission (actual city) has a police force of 2 or 3 officers, it was a city created by TRF owners based on laws and rules from the state governing permits and the like. They would have to employ, even on a temporary basis, roughly 20 more police officers to make it an effective attempt at enforcing the law in the campgrounds 24 hours a day.
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 26, 2008, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: Lord Dragonspyre on August 26, 2008, 10:54:48 AM
Ah, but this is where you have half of your police officers in uniform, and the other half in plainclothes. The idiots see that there are less cops around, making them think it's safe to pull out the drugs, when all along across the campfire sits a cop in civvies...
Oh, I am in complete agreement that the law enforcement could be handled much better out there... It is a matter of the fact that Todd Mission (actual city) has a police force of 2 or 3 officers, it was a city created by TRF owners based on laws and rules from the state governing permits and the like. They would have to employ, even on a temporary basis, roughly 20 more police officers to make it an effective attempt at enforcing the law in the campgrounds 24 hours a day.
Alas, King George seems to hold his purse strings rather tight... I'm sure that there are officers from local areas that would jump at the chance to work overtime as security.
Quote from: Lord Dragonspyre on August 26, 2008, 11:55:50 AM
Alas, King George seems to hold his purse strings rather tight... I'm sure that there are officers from local areas that would jump at the chance to work overtime as security.
Yes, the County Sheriff's are the ones that are patrolling the interior of the faire grounds, but mainly the security out in camping area is Todd Mission.
Let several people bring the large zip ties. If you see someone acting unlawful, bind them and wait for an officer to make his/her rounds and then take them. Or is citizens arrest not allowed. I'm not saying give everyone the right, that would get way out of hand. But a couple of choice people who could make a level headed, smart decision, and volunteer to stay sober to do so.
The only drawback to a "citizen's arrest" is :
A) You could be civilly charged with unlawful restraint.
B) You have to be willing to take YOUR time to go to court and deal with all that red tape.
C) You, yourself could be charged with assault and battery based on the details of your attempt to restrain said criminal.
While there was talk about just tying them up and leaving them in a large pile for the cops to just back the paddy wagon up to...hmmm
Ok, cloak yourself in black, make sure they cant see your face or recognize who you are in any way and pile them up.
What about charging $30 for camping with a $20 discount if you show a ticket?
Quote from: LadyShadow on August 26, 2008, 02:41:32 PM
Ok, cloak yourself in black, make sure they cant see your face or recognize who you are in any way and pile them up.
Oh, you've been to my camp then?
Quote from: eldatari on August 26, 2008, 02:42:14 PM
What about charging $30 for camping with a $20 discount if you show a ticket?
for the lack of amenities, it's not worth THAT much to camp there ;)
There should be a simple "green" way of filtering rain water collected throughout the year and using for hot showers and flushies.
I sleep in my suv instead of a tent to keep out bad weather, bugs, and thieves. One large cabin (with stage) with those solid log walls will keep in noise for the really late rowdy crowds. It could be a safe haven for anyone in need of help to have easy access to, as well as a warm place on those cold rainy nights when you don't want to drive home in the traffic.
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 26, 2008, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: eldatari on August 26, 2008, 02:42:14 PM
What about charging $30 for camping with a $20 discount if you show a ticket?
for the lack of amenities, it's not worth THAT much to camp there ;)
Hence the $20 discount for showing your ticket. Therefore for our purposes it would end up being the same $10 it usually is. I am not saying that we should have to pay the whole $30 then get $20 back at another time. I am saying that if you show a ticket you will only have to pay $10.
Considering more police officers, requiring you to show a ticket, and other suggestions aren't good options as you have pointed out; I think this might be a good alternitave to dissuade the punks who only come for the party.
The really unfortunate part is that unless we can all but STOP those "outsiders" (meaning those that are NOT rennies, or share our enthusiasm for the faire) from coming in, we will not be able to regain our tranquil campgrounds of old.
I have heard a rumor that the raver kids have been asked to not come back and if they do come back they have been asked NOT to bring the sound system, lights etc with them, although as I stated, this is only a rumor I have heard so do not know if there is any truth to it.
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 26, 2008, 03:09:32 PM
The really unfortunate part is that unless we can all but STOP those "outsiders" (meaning those that are NOT rennies, or share our enthusiasm for the faire) from coming in, we will not be able to regain our tranquil campgrounds of old.
I have heard a rumor that the raver kids have been asked to not come back and if they do come back they have been asked NOT to bring the sound system, lights etc with them, although as I stated, this is only a rumor I have heard so do not know if there is any truth to it.
I think a $30 price tag would stop alot of the "outsiders". Who would want to pay that much just to party and not have any amenities?
If we could get most of the punks to stop coming, I think over time it would stop being appealling to the rest.
It would be nice to have the campgrounds back to the way they were at least a little bit.
Quote from: Messyn McCleavage on August 26, 2008, 02:50:29 PM
There should be a simple "green" way of filtering rain water collected throughout the year and using for hot showers and flushies.
Only problem is that you need to store the rainwater, and to do so requires money and space for a storage. Plus, unless the storage container is hermetically sealed, you run the risk of stagnation, in which case the water is no longer useful unless you have a reclamation center.
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 26, 2008, 03:09:32 PM
The really unfortunate part is that unless we can all but STOP those "outsiders" (meaning those that are NOT rennies, or share our enthusiasm for the faire) from coming in, we will not be able to regain our tranquil campgrounds of old.
Generally speaking, Ren campgrounds are self-policing to the point that only a few security guards are needed to keep order. However, one should never confront someone suspected of being under the influence, as they are dangerously unpredictable. This is why I am all for the idea of having plainclothes officers roaming the campgrounds at night. They are trained to handle such circumstances.
QuoteI have heard a rumor that the raver kids have been asked to not come back and if they do come back they have been asked NOT to bring the sound system, lights etc with them, although as I stated, this is only a rumor I have heard so do not know if there is any truth to it.
From what I understand, they were first asked to turn down their music and lights, which they refused to do. Then security came along and told them to do so, to which they replied "<expletive deleted> off." At that point, a representative of the Faire politely invited them to leave and never return. Again, this is what I heard, so YMMV.
Another major problem... it's to easy to get to the campgrounds while faire is open. Just drive through the actual faire into overflow camping.
Money won't solve it, until the security issue is addressed at least somewhat. Heck, TRF owning it's own city, you'd think they'd have no problem taking on some "volunteer" deputees and firemen (which would mean you could probably get a radio to communicate with them as well as detain and bear witness). That and if some 200 people get deputized and where a nice little pin showing something to that affect... the drugs will never appear. THey'd be too paranoid.
I would pay at least an additional $10 per weekend to camp if I knew it was going directly to hire volunteer police officers who are authorized to make arrests and who would be out there throughout the night on patrol. Or why not have them set up a few of their own tents and they can stay the night too! That way they would have a more established presence and I really think that would deter troublemakers more than anything else.
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 26, 2008, 10:57:34 AM
Oh, I am in complete agreement that the law enforcement could be handled much better out there... It is a matter of the fact that Todd Mission (actual city) has a police force of 2 or 3 officers, it was a city created by TRF owners based on laws and rules from the state governing permits and the like. They would have to employ, even on a temporary basis, roughly 20 more police officers to make it an effective attempt at enforcing the law in the campgrounds 24 hours a day.
The purse strings will loosen when Todd Mission or TRF is sued because of something that happens at the campgrounds that better policing could have prevented.
My God Jim! Whatever happened to decent people who went to faire to have fun?
Quote from: Fenster on August 26, 2008, 05:13:57 PM
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 26, 2008, 10:57:34 AM
Oh, I am in complete agreement that the law enforcement could be handled much better out there... It is a matter of the fact that Todd Mission (actual city) has a police force of 2 or 3 officers, it was a city created by TRF owners based on laws and rules from the state governing permits and the like. They would have to employ, even on a temporary basis, roughly 20 more police officers to make it an effective attempt at enforcing the law in the campgrounds 24 hours a day.
The purse strings will loosen when Todd Mission or TRF is sued because of something that happens at the campgrounds that better policing could have prevented.
Oh you mean like some idiot throwing a keg on the bonfire?
Hi all,
Ive not been camping at festival as long as some here, but Ive been at it since the guys that run the Pirate Auction
were selling their wares under a blue tarp, ( forgive my alcohol riddled mind ) my years seem to run together and blur.
1. I wish for HOT SHOWERS,
2. A Separate color coded ticket issued for camping for that weekend issued to people already in possesion of a festival ticket or pass. While on their rounds, just one officer could ticket for criminal tresspass and fine violators , (you'd be supprised what loss of cash does to motivate people to move on)
3. As for my third and last wish O'Festival genie, a total BAN on ANY spot lights, that has ruined my stay more than anything else, having a blinding light on a thirty foot pole glaring at the eye is uncomfortable and totally destroyes the atmosphere I truly miss. Actually, a total ban on any electric light that can be seen from 10 ft from that immediate camp area would be wonderfull !
Quote from: weldon on August 27, 2008, 11:56:52 AM
Hi all,
Ive not been camping at festival as long as some here, but Ive been at it since the guys that run the Pirate Auction
were selling their wares under a blue tarp, ( forgive my alcohol riddled mind ) my years seem to run together and blur.
Actually it was a tent not a tarp and that as I believe either 1996 or 1997. (I've been working for them since 2002).
I've only camped once and probably won't again till I get my teardrop trailer (getting too old for tents) but I have three wishes.
1. No generators running from 9PM to 7AM anywhere in the campground.
2. No electric music devices (stereos, radios, ipods, speakers, etc.). Only natural acoustic music makers.
3. A cute little sleeping bag warmer, about 5'2", blonde or brunette, 25-45.
I rather doubt I'll get any of my wishes anytime soon.
Quote from: KeeperoftheBar on August 28, 2008, 07:40:48 AM
I've only camped once and probably won't again till I get my teardrop trailer (getting too old for tents) but I have three wishes.
1. No generators running from 9PM to 7AM anywhere in the campground.
Not likely to happen since there are people that require generators for their sleep apnea machines during the night.
Quote from: KeeperoftheBar on August 28, 2008, 07:40:48 AM
2. No electric music devices (stereos, radios, ipods, speakers, etc.). Only natural acoustic music makers.
Oh, you are truly wishing for a miracle aren't you?
Quote from: KeeperoftheBar on August 28, 2008, 07:40:48 AM
3. A cute little sleeping bag warmer, about 5'2", blonde or brunette, 25-45.
You must be looking for a double sized teardrop because the single ones are barely big enough for one person.
Quote from: KeeperoftheBar on August 28, 2008, 07:40:48 AM
I rather doubt I'll get any of my wishes anytime soon.
Be careful what you wish for.. you just might get it....
someday.
Hey man, there's nothing better than Scottish Rogues or EMuzeki on the iPod early in the morning. Sorry for ya, I'll keep jammin!
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 25, 2008, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: Aiacha on August 25, 2008, 10:00:02 AM
As this is a fantasy list, I was always a fan of the suggestion to open a "period" pub within patrons camping. It could be run by a catering company, offering a handful of dining options (easy stuff like fish and chips, or stews) plus some drinks on tap (beer, mead). Now that they have the quickiemart onsite, I could easliy see them combining both of these places into a single structure.
I wonder if this one could actually become a reality???? 'Twould be nice to have a 'nice' place to sit and eat in the evening after a hard days work inside without having to wait in line to get out of there and it taking an hour to get to town.
I think a basic setup pub with just a large open sitting area would be an awesome idea and it would be easily justified by how much you could make just on the season alone, for those visiting and working at faire. Could even cut down on some dwi beer runs.
Quote from: Thomas Eagle on August 28, 2008, 09:37:43 AM
Quote from: PurpleDragon on August 25, 2008, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: Aiacha on August 25, 2008, 10:00:02 AM
As this is a fantasy list, I was always a fan of the suggestion to open a "period" pub within patrons camping. It could be run by a catering company, offering a handful of dining options (easy stuff like fish and chips, or stews) plus some drinks on tap (beer, mead). Now that they have the quickiemart onsite, I could easliy see them combining both of these places into a single structure.
I wonder if this one could actually become a reality???? 'Twould be nice to have a 'nice' place to sit and eat in the evening after a hard days work inside without having to wait in line to get out of there and it taking an hour to get to town.
I think a basic setup pub with just a large open sitting area would be an awesome idea and it would be easily justified by how much you could make just on the season alone, for those visiting and working at faire. Could even cut down on some dwi beer runs.
Ever been down renfaire drive? If you work at faire, you've probably gone down that road to enter through the back. Rather than turning right to enter, stay straight till it ends. You'll see the "kitchen" on the left. They'll cook up burgers, sandwiches..
Quote from: Messyn McCleavage on September 10, 2008, 03:46:13 PM
Ever been down renfaire drive? If you work at faire, you've probably gone down that road to enter through the back. Rather than turning right to enter, stay straight till it ends. You'll see the "kitchen" on the left. They'll cook up burgers, sandwiches..
Ah yes... The Copper Rose.. wonderous place, although it really tends to be more geared toward the participants than the playtrons. 'sides, traffic trying to turn on or of that road from/to 1774 is a real PITA.
Quote from: Lord Dragonspyre on August 26, 2008, 03:48:41 PM
Quote from: Messyn McCleavage on August 26, 2008, 02:50:29 PM
There should be a simple "green" way of filtering rain water collected throughout the year and using for hot showers and flushies.
Only problem is that you need to store the rainwater, and to do so requires money and space for a storage. Plus, unless the storage container is hermetically sealed, you run the risk of stagnation, in which case the water is no longer useful unless you have a reclamation center.
I checked into "pillow tanks" which could be stored under the cabin, but they cost $3200 for 4,000 gallons of non-potable water (5 yr warranty.) $800/yr for shower water - doesn't include the rain capture device nor plumbing.
What would it take to tap into TRF's water supply? All we'd need are pipes, shower stalls, and a couple of hot water heaters.
My wish is for a magic mallet to "convince" the right people to allow this!
One solution to the rude campers would be to set rules for the campground stating no lighting, sound systems, etc and any refusal to comply and you will be removed from the premises. That will include calling the police and having their vehicle(s) towed immediately and the faire is not responsible for any costs this produces. By purchasing the camping ticket you automatically agree to these rules and the faire should be good lawsuit wise.
Okay, let me share my vision of how to remodel the Playtron campgrounds.
Of course, this is only a vision, as it would require TRF management to shell out some money (I estimate about $200K-250K for labor, fuel, and material). Since the return on this investment is many, many years and as a businessman I wouldn't approve it.
Picture the overflow parking area below the campgrounds.
Cut a road straight across, paralleling the present roads. Use the dirt and trees from the road building to build a berm barrier, preventing cars from driving from the overflow parks up to the campgrounds.
There would only be two access roads into the campgrounds- the one on row 1 leading into the Faire and the other on row 24 [?] where the quickie mart is setup.
Build showers/restroom building around row 6-7 and 18-19 on the old overflow parking area that is now blocked off. Build a septic tank/leech bed system under the parking area. Tap into the Faire water supply. Bring 120 VAC from the Faire.
The rest of the overflow parking area that was blocked off is now campground parking, reducing the number of vehicles in the campgrounds. Security can quickly check these vehicles for camping passes. No pass (or the visitor passes I previously suggested), you get towed.
Anyway, if you have any ideas, stop by my trailer on row 2-3 in the Drunken Gnomes camp and share them. I've spent alot of time planning camping, access, facilities, etc. for the Faire that will not be named, plus another that will be announced sometime soon.
Great ideas, Master Pullen!
If the fees go up a bit, I'm sure all of us die-hards would deal with it.
JMO