We were told on Sunday that taping off and roping off camping areas will no longer be allowed. You just have to get there and run people off the old fashioned way I guess.
I am really scared that this is going to cause some fights. Just this last weekend we were standing at our camp and requested a couple not camp as close so we could fit in a few more people still coming. The old woman charged out of her car yelling that it wasn't taped so we couldn't save it. She finally saw things our way. But people are so used to being able to get out there and get your spot roped off to save that there will be lots of confusion, anger, and possibly violence. I once had a guy tell me he was going to hit me for having a spot saved. Luckily he saw the error of his way before he landed a blow.
Also, the fire rules are being tightened. No ground fires, no dug pits... I didn't pay much attention at this point. We have raised fire pits. But does this mean the big drum circle fire will have to be in a pit to be legal? Is this how George is planning on killing it?
All of the fussing of that previous thread has started George taking a serious look at camping. He has decided to tighten the screws on us as a result. Tape and fires this week, what will he decide to take away from us next week?
At least security is as always absolutely wonderful. All of the officers out there are very professional and helpful. I even like the new big guy(Craig, I think).
Yes the new guy out there is named Craig, a few of us introduced ourselves to him Halloween Weekend.
I don't know, but it may very well have something to do with some trouble we had when we first arrived.
We were SUPPOSED to camp with McLotofus, but we arrived a bit late and the area that MacLaren had for us was PACKED, with not even a parking place, so my husband and son walked and looked for something open that we might camp at least close.
'round the back side a place was found, more or less off to the side/behind McLotofus, and behind/beside SafeHaven (darn that flashing light!) LOL
We drove to the rear and proceded to park the vehicals long enough to survey the area, before we backed into the spot to set up and were immediately approached by a few young men and young ladies that started yelling at us we could not park there as they had a large RV coming in the following day for a wedding. My husband tried (in vain) to explain that we would be moving the vehicals, we just wanted to survey the area first, and would only be there a few short minutes, to which the one young lady became VERY beligerant, and began screaming curse words and obsceneties at us, yelling she was the GD Bride and could have whatever she wanted and we had better be moving our arses out of there NOW. My son approached her in an attempt to talk to her and calm her down and she snapped a knife out on him and threatened to run him through! :o
Now I understand she had been drinking and celebrating, but this was VERY WRONG. I also understand these people are very popular in the Ren community, but we hadn't done anything to warrant this reaction, had been very nice up til this point, and my son gets a knife pulled on him?? Not cool.
My mother was with us, she was a Ren camp virgin, and may as well have been a Faire virgin as well since she had not been to faire in 25 or more years. This was the very first thing she experienced and was frightened right off and wanted to leave.
Luckily a very nice (and quite sober) young lady came and spoke to us as we were getting ready to pull out trucks out of there and go elsewhere, and she calmed us down, the bride was drug away by other members of her party, and the issue got resolved quietly and peacefully... the way it should have been all along.
Luckily mother forgot about the incident and had a wonderful time.
As I said I am not sure but it may be reasons like this that has caused the reaction.
Quote from: Taarna on November 04, 2008, 07:43:49 AM
, to which the one young lady became VERY beligerant, and began screaming curse words and obsceneties at us, yelling she was the GD Bride and could have whatever she wanted and we had better be moving our arses out of there NOW. My son approached her in an attempt to talk to her and calm her down and she snapped a knife out on him and threatened to run him through! :
I feel sorry for the Husband to be. I hope he knows he's fixing to marry a knife fighter with a temper.
QuoteI feel sorry for the Husband to be. I hope he knows he's fixing to marry a knife fighter with a temper.
Indeed. It's unfortunate that some drunk bride to be would pull a knife on someone like that. I'd be sorely tempted to tear her arm clean off for her gesture. Security should have been contacted immediately, and she should have been escorted off the premises and banned for life.
JMO
Well, whether it was the other thread or not we can only expect some things to change. I for one feel a LOT safer out there now that the authorities are showing more of a presence. What needs to be kept in perspective here is that the rencampers didn't invite the druggies, ravers, techno-kids, etc., they invited themselves and ruined a lot of things for us. Unfortunately, it is just something that happened. If George wanted to close the campgrounds he could have sone so and then we'd all be out of luck. I'll take the changes thank you.
While not being able to rope off areas is a bit of a drag, I think it might make for more of a communal feeling around the grounds; which I don't think is a bad thing. The folks who camp on a regular basis will figure something out and everyone knows the favorite spots, etc. There are workarounds to all of this.
That's just my two cents ;D
All we'll have to do is be polite asking people to relocate a bit for our clans. I don't think many problems would arise if a bit of tact is employed.
If someone is unreasonable, then crowd them out ASAP with a show of population. If they pull a knife, call that number many of us have saved on our phones.
Of course, if they seem friendly, they could possibly be invited to the clan, I suppose.
Sounds like Bridezilla-itis! Poor hubby. I am sure the campgrounds will be safer with rules. I heard they are requiring ticket purchase to camp now? Not that I do- but I often get asked about camping!
Quote from: Queen Bonnie on November 04, 2008, 08:51:19 AM
Sounds like Bridezilla-itis! Poor hubby. I am sure the campgrounds will be safer with rules. I heard they are requiring ticket purchase to camp now? Not that I do- but I often get asked about camping!
It's because we would be honored by thy presence Queen Bonnie!
Quote from: Taarna on November 04, 2008, 07:43:49 AM
I don't know, but it may very well have something to do with some trouble we had when we first arrived.
We were SUPPOSED to camp with McLotofus, but we arrived a bit late and the area that MacLaren had for us was PACKED, with not even a parking place, so my husband and son walked and looked for something open that we might camp at least close.
'round the back side a place was found, more or less off to the side/behind McLotofus, and behind/beside SafeHaven (darn that flashing light!) LOL]
You seem nice so I am guessing that you are not the old bat I had a run in with. No, there were no knives involved but over the same area. Safehaven had a wedding Friday and we had one inside on Saturday. The one that attacked us jumped out of her rv, beer in hand(way early in the morning), and started screaming at us. It took all I had not to laugh. Poor old woman, obviously stressed out.
It is always funny to hear about a scuffle from both sides, the stories never match. She is most likely sitting at home telling people about this crazy woman who disturbed her morning brewsky by telling her to camp elsewhere.
I hope the no tape thing works out. I don't normally tape anything off unless an old hag or stupid man yell at me that it has to be taped.
LOL no, I didn't have a run in with anyone, I can assure you. I stayed my butt in the truck and kept smiling believe it or not. Then I suggested we go find a cop, but the men folk said no. We were just going to move along but another of their party was very nice and we came to a peaceful understanding. I think the alcohol (probably had mixed several as the couple was celebrating understandably) had taken it's toll on her that night. I have been told the young lady is quite nice, however having been a medic for 17 years, I do also know that alcohol will relax one enough to release inhibitions and latent tendencies. I wish the newly weds well and a joyous life together.
I have always used tiki torches to hold my ropes. If I can't rope anymore, I suppose I will just put out my torches, in my typical rectangle pattern for my clan, giving a nice visual to anyone who is not sure where our claim ends and the free land begins. There are always holes in the rules. And hey, without rope run between the torches, there will be less drunks with bruised knees Saturday morning (o:
*Can't wait for the Highland Fling camp out*
I never get there early enough to rope off anything, but am very appreciative of those who are. The ropes honestly are sometimes really annoying, especially since our group isn't near the roads, so we always have to drive through everyone to get to our camp. I guess we are just going to have to see how it goes.
When going to a place that does not allow you to rope off areas, Take along a few blue tarps that are really cheap to buy. Lay one in each position where you want your tents to be and as each tent arrives put them up in those spots and move the tarp. and I have found that no one will bother the tarps.
OOO, not a bad idea. Although, I'm more inclined to say let's put up a tiki border.
I actually like the tarp idea too. Thank you for sharing your knowledge Lairde Guardn MCrack!
Quote from: Lairde Guardn MCrack on November 04, 2008, 12:55:24 PM
When going to a place that does not allow you to rope off areas, Take along a few blue tarps that are really cheap to buy. Lay one in each position where you want your tents to be and as each tent arrives put them up in those spots and move the tarp. and I have found that no one will bother the tarps.
That sounds like a good idea to try! And Blue, as cool as a tiki border would be, that's a lot of tikis, and when lit, they become a flamable obstacle that is in the way of stubborn and unobservant drunks.
Since I know there is a handful of us heading out for Highland Weekend, perhaps we'll give that a try.
We might consider using both tiki torches and tarps...I like the tarp idea, makes it pretty obvious that someone will be camping there...I don't think we have enough tiki torches to put around our entire area! :o
I personally would like to say I"m quite glad the roping off thing has been banned. My friends and I don't camp with any "clans", but we had a spot we really liked the first 3 weekends of Fair. This past weekend, the roping off thing got WAY out of hand. Both Safe Haven and McLotofus seemed to have roped off more than they needed and also roped off the area WE had previously parked our camper in. It was EXTREMELY inconvenient given that we ended up in an absolutely horrid area way far away... Now, I truly love all my McLotofus friends and Safe Haven friends and I totally agree that the randoms should respect the clan camping areas. But this should be within reason. Like I said, our area was invaded this past weekend and we were pushed out just cause there weren't many of us and no one got out in time to rope off an area! There have been weekends where we have 1 camper and 3 tents, so it's not like we're non-existent, but we truly don't take up much room normally!!
i think roping off should just be limited to a certain amount per person staying there... i see these huge camps with tons ropped off and only 3 people staying there.... it gets irritating. but for the huge camps, the space is needed and people should be benefited for showing up early to get others space. that is only fair. i hate for the usual camps to be moved bc some dumb nobodies show up and don't move bc there's no rope there!!! we'd never find anyone if the big camps had to move!!
i'm torn bout this new rule.... i really do hate running into the tape at nite when it's dark!!! but i like visiting certain camp sites and knowing i'll find friends there.... hmmm....
Quote from: blue66669 on November 04, 2008, 01:00:29 PM
OOO, not a bad idea. Although, I'm more inclined to say let's put up a tiki border.
It probably would be a good idea to do both.
Does anyone know if the no taping off rule is true or is it just rumor. I would probably continue to tape off your area until you get conformation that this is the case from the security. If they come by and say that you can't do it just apologize and take it down. No harm done.
McLotofus marked off the space that they needed, especially since there were 30 tents with our group, including some vans and a 40 ft RV. We used every inch of space that we roped off, as well as Safe Haven and Brigadoon. ALL camps were packed to the hilt! And by the way, there is NO way that you could have possibly camped in McLotofus land in the past 4 weeks, seeing as though McLotofus has occupied the EXACT same space since opening weekend, except for 2nd weekend when I was graciously accepted as a guest to Brigahalla.
It takes a lot to get there early and plan out a camp, and we take our roles VERY seriously. ESPECIALLY with McLotofus. We have to have the same space everytime, because we are accepting new members everytime we set up our camp! Myself and other McLotofi show up earlier than most everyone else, in the dark, just to make sure that our clan is easily recognizable. If we have more space than we need, we pull the lines in as we fill in camp.
The long and short of it is- You don't like where you end up camping??? Show a little more initiative and get there early like the rest of us.
And yes, Eldatari, I will rope off my camp until they come and tell me personally not to do so.
I know it sounds bitchy of me....but usually when I get to camp Sat mornings...I do have to drive my jeep & trailer to our camp...and sometimes Ill have some yahoo screeching at me to NOT drive thru their camp. But hey, if I am not running over your stuff or pulling pop ups behind me as I drive thru.... deal with it. I don't do it to purposely anger people, I just need to get to my camp.
I would think though that once you do have an area roped off and 90% of your camp gets there and sets up...take the tape or rope down. I'm sure lots of camps/campers leave the tape tied around the trees, making more work for the people who come thru camp and grab all our trash after the weekend is over. Could be why they are attempting to put a stop to it. That's just a guess.
Captain Kilian, the pacifist (at camp) Pirate weighs in:
Our clan too is known for their border, and getting there early to claim it. We've always found this obvious mark as to who should be where comforting and easier to police our area, and make sure no one's stuff gets grabbed or damaged.
THAT said, perhaps, and yes it is a mighty large amount of HOPE, but perhaps if the new measures and cop presence and all that gets rid of the large amount of the undesirables then MAYBE we won't need borders near so much. Maybe the rest of us could recall why faire is great and enjoy the camaraderie, both planned (with our clans) and random (with new folks that camp near by). That's my hope. Not for everyone to get into spats over a bit of grass or dirt that we all came to to enjoy each other's company anyway.
Also I hope this does not become another thread to get out of hand and get up to the "King" and he decided to use the camp ground as another orchard or the like that makes money a less stressful way.
Now someone pass me a good ale (or rum!)!
So as an infrequent camper (I come down once, maybe twice a year, and will be coming down around noon Friday before the Highland Fling), what are the rules governing the earlybird setup?
For instance, if I get there early Friday, get completely setup (two tents' worth), only later to have one of the bigger groups complain that they usually reserve that spot...how's a camper to know? I mean, if they don't visit these forums, and nothing is marked, can we still claim 'first come, first serve', per the rules posted at www.texrenfest.com?
I would hope so, but of course, this is why I ask. :) Just don' wanna be steppin' on nobody's toes...
Well, later on in the day on Friday, most of the clan families are already set up. Nothing really to worry about. If you get there and a clan asks you to move, one of twoi things will happen- either you can move, or you can stay and have the clan set up around you (not desireable).
It is indeed first come first served. It is up to you to observe the clan boundaries if you want to.
Quote from: blue66669 on November 04, 2008, 04:45:13 PM
It is up to you to observe the clan boundaries if you want to.
I fully intend to, as long as they get there before I do! :)
Really, though, I'm not unreasonable...I would just expect the same respect if I do end up in an unmarked area. My camping footprint is never that big anyway.
I know I say this every year, but I really would like to meet the lot of you. If by chance you see the Swiss Berne banner, feel free to stop by and say hi. Just look for the sign of the Horny Bear!
Honestly if you would like to meet us... going to the bigger known camps are the way to do it... most people know where us brigadoon and valhalla campers are...
Quote from: batninja on November 04, 2008, 04:37:26 PM
So as an infrequent camper (I come down once, maybe twice a year, and will be coming down around noon Friday before the Highland Fling), what are the rules governing the earlybird setup?
For instance, if I get there early Friday, get completely setup (two tents' worth), only later to have one of the bigger groups complain that they usually reserve that spot...how's a camper to know? I mean, if they don't visit these forums, and nothing is marked, can we still claim 'first come, first serve', per the rules posted at www.texrenfest.com?
I would hope so, but of course, this is why I ask. :) Just don' wanna be steppin' on nobody's toes...
Most clans send someone out on Thursdays to rope off an area. I promise you wont step on anyone's toes.
The ropes were to save room for family and friends and to keep riff raff out. I seen no problem with it.
But I understand that the other side of it also. When I first started camping I walked around a potential spot and asked everyone around if it was okay to camp and to also see what kind of campers they were if they were going to be loud or quiet.
LadyElizabeth I'm sorry you had to move your camper I'm sure if we would of known we would of accommodated you and your group.
Quote from: ~*Lovely Lisa*~ on November 04, 2008, 05:00:53 PM
Honestly if you would like to meet us... going to the bigger known camps are the way to do it... most people know where us brigadoon and valhalla campers are...
I've tried that in the past with some of the camps, but we mostly get looked at as either moochers or simple passers-by. Believe, I bring
alot of my own food. :)
Is there a secret handshake or salute I don't know about? I just always feel like we're intruding on sacred ground, without even setting foot in camp.
I've gotten those looks also. You can't please everyone, So In the past I just moved along. If there not friendly now they wont be after their drinking.
To meet some of these larger groups, I think us newbies could use 'sponsors'. In other words, someone we meet here in the forums could meet us onsite and introduce us to the rest of the clan later that evening. Maybe then we wouldn't feel so intrusive.
I'm just sayin'... ;D
I should also add that I'm bringing a TRF newbie along, and I've told him about all the festivities outside the fair, too. I really want him to see that side of TRF as well. I figure meeting a large group of other Rennies is the way to go.
Pulled this from the TRF Playtron Camping Sticky thread that seems to have been forgotten.
This was put together by some of us here and where were all claim to be. Some of us are not on here due to not being members of the Forums, but this is as best we have.
Quote from: mpullen on July 11, 2008, 06:31:27 PM
Updated 11/03/08
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n97/MikePullen/20080808131348716_0001.jpg)
BTW- The green shaded areas are the areas to avoid on rainy weekends.
Please note that this is not a reservation list. It is only for indicating the areas that a group plans on setting up camp on the indicated weekends. If someone gets there first, then all bets are off.
Week 5 - November 8 - 9 Roman Bacchanal
2A-3B Drunken Gnomes
8A-9C McLotofus
26G-26H Cult of the Green Flame
7E-8F Avalon
6D-7E Safe Haven
7D-8E Armageddon
3D-4F Pirates of Poseidon
3C-4D Redstar
10E-11E Vahalla/Brigadoon
Week 6 - November 15 - 16 Highland Fling
2A-3B Drunken Gnomes
8A-9C McLotofus
11E-12F Brothers of St. Arnulf
11J-12J Lady Laura
18L Dun Na Dochartaigh
23B-24C Scraborough QOH
26G-26H Cult of the Green Flame
7E-8F Avalon
6D-7E Safe Haven
7D-8E Armageddon
3D-4F Pirates of Poseidon
3C-4D Redstar
10E-11E Vahalla/Brigadoon
Week 7 - November 22 - 23 Barbarian Invasion
2A-3B Drunken Gnomes
8A-9C McLotofus
26G-26H Cult of the Green Flame
7E-8F Avalon
6D-7E Safe Haven
7D-8E Armageddon
3D-4F Pirates of Poseidon
3C-4D Redstar
10E-11E Vahalla/Brigadoon
Week 8 - November 28 - 30 Celtic Christmas
Thanksgiving dinner Thursday evening at McLotofus
1C-2D Camp Procrastination
2A-4B Drunken Gnomes
8A-9C McLotofus
26G-26H Cult of the Green Flame
7E-8F Avalon
6D-7E Safe Haven
7D-8E Armageddon
3D-4F Pirates of Poseidon
3C-4D Redstar
10E-11E Vahalla/Brigadoon
Yeah, I saw that, too. Printed it out to bring along, just in case. Thanks! ;)
Quote from: eldatari on November 04, 2008, 02:50:39 PM
Does anyone know if the no taping off rule is true or is it just rumor. I would probably continue to tape off your area until you get conformation that this is the case from the security. If they come by and say that you can't do it just apologize and take it down. No harm done.
It is not a rumor. Mike and Charlie rolled through on Sunday night telling people about it.
Grumble Grumble Grumble...
It isn't the ravers that are the worst of combative campers. It's the older folks that I have found getting into the most fights over camping spaces. Most of the silly children will sulk away with a stern "if you camp here I will kill you in your sleep" look. It's the older crowd that has yelled, threatened, and hit.
o.k. I'm confused, what is supposed to be accomplished by not letting people mark an area. even when it is really crowded i see lots of space, the only issue i've noticed is everyone seems to want to camp on one spot on one weekend. at the Celtic Rogues i know we rope off a big area, if you need a spot we will be more than happy to accomodate you or reduce our area, sometimes its just hard to guess how many people may be coming. p.s. charlie and mike didn't say anything to us about getting rid of our chains ,torches and flags which surround our camp.
What's being accomplished probably seemed like a good idea to someone who probably hasn't been to or around the camp ground much. All I know is that I really hope people DO NOT b!t(h about things so much that we incur even further 'wrath from on high'. I mean really, we can deal with it, an odds are after a week or to, things will lighten up again once the real problems are gone.
Looking at it that way is kind of a logical plan too - clamp down on all, those that shout and make a fuss the most are likely to be most the problem - get rid of those you are left with only the people who REALLY want to be there no matter what. things would then likely go back to normal. (Just an observation from how I've seen countless other situations play out in the past).
Word to the wise, start dropping your gear and parking your cars in reeeeaaallly big squares. ;-)
It might be just a effort to reduce the amount of trash that needs to be picked up after the weekend. I have noticed that the tape does seem to get broken and end up blowing all around the campgrounds by Sunday morning.
Hearing all the new rules of the campground make me thankful im camping with the Participants all the remaining weekends cept the weekend of the 22nd we will be camping in the patrons camp. The Whole roping off thing can be irritating sometimes for some campers. When i get there i try to figure out the space needed for guest to come. Hell weekend of the 18th we camped took a small spot and there was ALOT of room behind our camp. No one claimed the spot. Roping off camps has it benefits. Most of the time it keeps the drunkards off of your camp and out of your stuff. Now people are going to complain about people walking through camps and unwelcome visitors. I have a feeling rules are going to get even stricter in the future. I wish it could be like the old days. :(
hmmm wonder if all the changes have to do with people being disgruntled and asking for TRF to fix things?
Quote from: ScoutColt on November 05, 2008, 06:02:03 AM
hmmm wonder if all the changes have to do with people being disgruntled and asking for TRF to fix things?
Well, I for one am glad they are listening!
Give 'em credit, they are trying to fix the worst of the problems. Granted, I'd love to be able to mark things off, but if we can't, we can't. We know where we like to be, and we'll have ot find a way to deal with the new arrangement.
Quotehmmm wonder if all the changes have to do with people being disgruntled and asking for TRF to fix things?
In a nutshell, yes.
I understand asking for changes in camp, esp. with the riff raff, druggies and trouble making mundanes...and the officers out there are doing a great job, and doing all they can (they are outnumbered after all) to make the camp a great place like it used to be.
However, like I mentioned in the other thread about this...I think talking to Charlie, Mike and the other officers out there is the more wiser choice than calling the TRF office complaining. They could and CAN very easily just nix the whole camp ground and not think twice about it. It's one thing to be grateful for them enforcing some changes, but after awhile, they are going to start getting pretty tired of the complaints.
The ground fires are a hazard...common sense tells us that. How many mundane morons have we seen fall over them, burn themselves badly, kick embers, etc? Using raised fire pits is just safer all around. That rule doesn't bother me in the least. The roping off...same thing. We have peeps show up way early and can keep our area clear for us late arrivals just by keeping an eye out for mundanes wanting to set up in certain areas and talking to them. I understand the whole "first come first serve" deal, but I'm getting tired of people who KNOW who we all are, KNOW where we camp every weekend and blatantly not giving a sh*t. We had a group come in a few seasons back, start setting up RIGHT in the middle of Valhalla and when we tried talking to them about the area, the guy told me flat out "I know it's Valhalla. We got here first." Nice attitude. Until OurEvilOne showed up in the bus and parked it RIGHT next to them. Then they had the nerve to get pissy with all of us and grudgingly moved, after getting one of the officers out there, saying we were all disrespectful. All we did was tell them "well they'll all get here and set up camp as usual. They won't care if you're there or not."
We've always done our best to "police" our own camp....advising people we don't know setting up camp near us for the first time that it gets pretty hairy, noisy and if they want to get any sleep, they should camp elsewhere. Not all of us are mean about it, only when its warranted. We've also bounced quite a few morons out of our area.
I just think that we all should just let it lie for a little bit, and see what happens.
Well then, so we don't have defined borders. All our clans will run together and form a stronger family unit, one that will look out for one another. At least that's what I'm hoping. It just means that a couple of people will have to keep watch on the area to make sure that it's not occupied. I see late night "watchmen" in our future LOL.
I think that Mike and Charlie are doing a fabulous job, and I don't mind the rule changes. We'll find ways to come to terms with them and keep on truckin. I love my clan, and my camp, and McLotofus isn't going ANYWHERE!
HUbby and I did the tarp thing for one couple who we knew were coming into Mclotofus late. It actually helped us a great deal to know how close we could stack things like: kitchen, privvy, fire and other tents. It's a great idea. Plus, the tarps are easier to relocate than a whole tent (ask Charles, I made him move theirs at least five times before it was "perfect!") Also, if we pull in rel tight, like the Scarby pirates tried to do, and park our vehicles round the edge of camp (making sure somebody has one free for Wal-Mart runs), that should set things off nicely.
The tarp idea is excellent. And they make great ground covers, just leave them down and set the tent up on top of them.
One thing I've done in the past is to try to get the tents of my campers early in the week. It takes me most of the day to set up my camp, but when I'm done no one can argue about my claimed land because I've already got a structure there. And my clan loves it because they roll in late Friday night and don't have to worry about setting up a tent.
Quote from: batninja on November 04, 2008, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: ~*Lovely Lisa*~ on November 04, 2008, 05:00:53 PM
Honestly if you would like to meet us... going to the bigger known camps are the way to do it... most people know where us brigadoon and valhalla campers are...
I've tried that in the past with some of the camps, but we mostly get looked at as either moochers or simple passers-by. Believe, I bring alot of my own food. :)
Is there a secret handshake or salute I don't know about? I just always feel like we're intruding on sacred ground, without even setting foot in camp.
well if steph doesn't mind I don't mind being the Brigadoon Forum Liason. At least if we've met you on here we know you aren't just the riff raff that comes through and causes problems.
I'm not trying to volunteer Blue for anything, but I see her as well being a Liason for her campmates...
Quote from: KiltedPrivateer on November 05, 2008, 12:20:45 PM
The tarp idea is excellent. And they make great ground covers, just leave them down and set the tent up on top of them.
One thing I've done in the past is to try to get the tents of my campers early in the week. It takes me most of the day to set up my camp, but when I'm done no one can argue about my claimed land because I've already got a structure there. And my clan loves it because they roll in late Friday night and don't have to worry about setting up a tent.
THAT is a brilliant idea! I'd never thought of it, nor would have. I'd even be willing to do the same for clan members upon request.
i'll be sure to keep that in mind.
I actually had to drive past Thorne's camp on the way in to camp. Just got out said "Hey there's a spot there to drive through, do you guys think you can keep it open?" He said no problem just don't break the tape." As long as you respect other peoples stuff there should be no problem with it. It's really hard to keep a clear path on anyside out of Brigadoon and Valhalla. Yes there was a wedding in camp this weekend so all the more reason to be protective over the area if it's people we don't know trying to encroach. 2 weekends ago there was a guy who wanted to drive up in the middle of our camp and set up a 17 foot trampoline as well as his camp. How would you like that in the middle of your camp? I chased off probably 4 or 5 carloads of people myself not including the rest of the cars others in my camp persuaded not to camp there.
I will say we were on the back side this weekend near "The Moos" Very loud bunch mooing and getting lost all night, sort of funny in a way. They had a huge area marked off and didn't use hardly half of it. So there's alot of pros and cons about people roping off their areas. There's alot of pros and cons about roping off. I know first weekend a guy on a motorcycle was clothes lined when he was riding through camp. Ouch!
I have a feeling that if the complaining, Drugs and fighting over campsites doesnt stop George will shut down the camp ground completely. No offense to anyone. I love all you guys and i consider everyone of you family. Dont think there will be a camping next year. I hope im wrong......... :( This is just a big mess.........
That is my thought too SolRac....I'd be super pissed if these posts get out of hand....again....and there is no camping next year. Let it lie for now people, please.
I agree with you Solrac. We know full well there are cast members in the upper echelon here, and I'm sure they've spoken of some of these threads. I'm sure word of what we speak of has reached the ears of those who pay attention to these kinds of things... and if they made it that far, they've made it to the lawyers who dread these kinda occurences.
I'm not saying it's all this forum (nor am I saying anyone is wrong in what they are asking, it's all true... something needs to be done), because there is more than enough physical evidence to be seen and reported by the security etc, but I'll bet you good money this forum prodded them into action, and now that action is being taken it won't stop until the problem is 100% fixed, because thats how lawyers who want their half million dollar retainer per year work... and the only way your gonna stop bad things from happening in that atmosphere is to shut it down.
We aren't angels. We rennies have our "faire" share of occurences too. Things happen from ALL the major clans and other rennies alike, and no lawyer or person concerned with the legal liability of the campgrounds is going to distinguish rennie from anybody else, which means even if ALL of the problems were removed, WE would still probably cause enough of a problem at this time (due to "rennie threat level orange") that it's gonna get shut down.
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That said, from every angle I've looked at theres not really a thing we can do about it persay since we, and other entities have pushed the envelope so far. Us with our open and vocal thoughts about the problems and those actually perpetrating them. Except one thing that hasn't been completely considered.
We spoke about helping security etc as deputies and stuff like that. Thats not gonna be a go. It won't happen. But what can happen is instead of submitting a petition, we can ask that they dont allow anyone under 18 into camping without adult supervision, and then WE volunteer our time to actually stay up at the gate with security and do what they are still kinda lax about... checking to make sure all tickets for each person are preson, checking valid ID's etc etc. We can even setup on saturdays and sundays when everyones in faire. And we can always ask that they rope off the outside line of parking or setup way stations that we can check people there.
It requires we as Rennies to work, but it's a much better good faith and "don't quit on us" gesture than just complaining and saying we'll call in when theres problems. (not saying thats all we do, but that is a large portion of it)
There will be camping next year, It's not as bad as it is being made out to be. Yes there are some problems, and Geo is working on them, there were 65 citations given out on the 3 weekend, and a few went to jail. How many were given out on the 4th weekend I don't know. But they are tithing up, I would have made a complant last weekend about the kids in the gulley who had the parachute tent, who blasted music till 5 in the morning. Next time after I tell them once to turn it down and they don't I'll call Charlie and let him sort them out. But other than that I really didn't see any real problems, other than people who roped off more space than they needed. TRF is Geo's baby and he's not going to let it go, deep down he's still a rennie. He was looking at opening up more camp space, last year he did. The more they clamp down, the better camping will get.
My clan only camps 1 time a year, but many times it is our only vacation for the year. We moved 3 times this year because we couldn't find a place we liked. The first place we looked I knew previous years had been a large group's area so we moved. I also saw other rennies coming towards us to warn us. We have been coming to TRF for 25 years, yes we know there are clans that come every weekend but we aren't sure where their lines are. If someone comes to us, and is polite about it, we may move, or we may even join their camp. We may be a one weekend clan but we want our camp just as much as you do, we just aren't as picky about our slot.
This year we just sat our tents so that we were close together and had our "city built. We parked our cars so that the tents were protected from late night arrivers, and we were happy.
We had alot of people come by and talk to us this year, in the past we were always snubbed. One guy said he would put us down in his 'clan book' as a 'minor clan' so he will look for us again next year. We like to talk to our fellow rennies not be afraid of you.
In my experience most clans are pretty cool about politely asking to "move a little". I landed right in the middle of a plot last year unknowingly, and a guy came up and asked me if I'd move about 10 yards over. No problem. I don't mind as long as I'm on level ground. If it's a polite gesture, I'm cooperative. Hell, I wound up hanging out with them that night!
All I ask is that the stupid ones (druggies, ravers, etc) are taken care of. Security seems to be coming down on them, so camping has been far more pleasant lately. HUZZAH to the security guys!!
TRF rocks... the campgrounds rock.... NUFF SAID!
Quote from: Lady Mousie on November 05, 2008, 02:11:26 PMI know first weekend a guy on a motorcycle was clothes lined when he was riding through camp. Ouch!
If it was that weed puller monkey who thought it would be a great idea to rev his bike periodically through out the night and then haul weed puller around the campground at 6 in the morning then he deserved it.
If not, guess he should have been watchin where he was riding.
ROTFLMAO @ weed puller monkey!!!! ;D :D
George has changed alot of things this year. Even some of us participants are concerned (Pepsi instead of Coke REALLY???) and as much as I hate the be the devils advocate.. at the end of the day its his money makeing machine and he gets to use it and do with it as he pleases.
*shrug* ::)
I as well noticed no Budweiser in all the land?? Had to drink MGD! Imagine the horror! :'(
Quote from: Taarna on November 06, 2008, 10:10:50 AM
I as well noticed no Budweiser in all the land?? Had to drink MGD! Imagine the horror! :'(
Actually, as I heard the Budwiser people pissed George off, so he got rid of them. Which means Yay! Guinness and Yay! no longer the Bud Light Arena!!!! (I HATED that!)
I was pretty upset by the lack of Coke products. >:( Our entire group are coke drinkers, we ended up drinking tea and lemonade all day.
I will pay the outragious amount of dollars for a coke but I refuse to pay that much for a pepsi *tries not to throw up* I've stuck to water all season.
I'm ecstatic they have diet dr pepper.... mmmm... just thinking of it makes my mouth water. all loyal texans should only drink dr pepper and shiner anyways ;) poo on bud, i drink only mead and loki at faire :)
I always prefer Coke, but throw a little loki or coconut rum in with the Pepsi and it's totally drinkable...
Yeah but I'm not quite old enough to make undrinakble drinks drinkable with a good rum... well legally anyways ;) But I'm sure my boss wouldn't appriciate it if I came back from my break a wee bit drunk!
They have soda at faire?.... I never noticed that before!! :D ;)
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Actually, as I heard the Budwiser people pissed George off, so he got rid of them. Which means Yay! Guinness and Yay! no longer the Bud Light Arena!!!! (I HATED that!)
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What she said!
Quote from: Muffin on November 06, 2008, 12:18:58 PM
They have soda at faire?.... I never noticed that before!! :D ;)
:D :D Teee hee hee hee :D :D Definately a woman after Bacardi's heart!
Quote from: rumy on November 06, 2008, 11:10:46 AM
I'm ecstatic they have diet dr pepper.... mmmm... just thinking of it makes my mouth water. all loyal texans should only drink dr pepper and shiner anyways ;) poo on bud, i drink only mead and loki at faire :)
They have Diet Dr. Pepper?!? Where??
I was crushed that they no longer had Young's D Chocolate stout or the oat meal stout. I drop about a 100 bucks on it in the POW.
Still searching for the Scotch on a stick booth!
I was there 2nd weekend looking for Diet Dr. Pepper. none to be had. Since the rogue is diabetic we had to drink the pepsi stuff. don't care for it, but if it is all you go..../ shrug
As long as they don't get rid of chauser's mead my monarch will be happy. ;D
Quote from: brier patch charlie on November 06, 2008, 03:31:07 PM
I was crushed that they no longer had Young's D Chocolate stout or the oat meal stout. I drop about a 100 bucks on it in the POW.
Oooh oatmeal stout. Hadn't seen that one before. Now I gotta track it down! Specs here I come!
You will love it, the Youngs Oat meal stout is great, if you like oat meal or stouts. It's the best way to eat your oat meat in the morning. ;D
I believe (I could be wrong) that they still have Samuel Smith's Oatmeal stout in the PoW pub...great for Breakfast! I know they did last year, but they started serving Sam Smith's Imperial Stout this year...and i find it hard to pass up something that glorious. The last two years I've seen an improvement in the beer selection, and that thrills me to no end. The fact it's no longer the Budweizer arena is a wonderful bonus.
*can't wait for my Arrogant bastard Ale while watching Iris and Rose*
Quote from: rumy on November 06, 2008, 11:10:46 AM
all loyal texans should only drink dr pepper and shiner anyways
HERE HERE... or is it HEAR HEAR... Either way, Well said!
While I do not consider myself a loyal texan, I will enjoy (each and every day) a Dr. Pepper. Shiner beer is quite nice too, we killed a keg of that tasty brew last weekend! (One of the few lagers I enjoy enough to even contemplate a keg).
Quote from: Captain Kilian on November 07, 2008, 09:03:46 AM
While I do not consider myself a loyal texan, I will enjoy (each and every day) a Dr. Pepper. Shiner beer is quite nice too, we killed a keg of that tasty brew last weekend! (One of the few lagers I enjoy enough to even contemplate a keg).
A Shiner Keg, and I was back in Florida?!?!? dang!
Getting back to the subject of this thread (hint, hint).
Apparently the Mundanes have taken advantage of the boundary non-marking rule. The standard Drunken Gnome area has been overrun.
I'm going to be late coming out Thursday (or possibly even Friday) for Highland Fling weekend since we have no idea how long my Daughter's surgery will last and I want to remain with her until I have brought here home and made sure she is comfortable.
In the event I can't find a spot for the trailer, anyone have an offering for a displaced Gnome (this is a non-Gnome weekend, so only a couple of us will be there).?
I'm sure McLotofus can spare some space for the Gnomes. What weekend are you speaking of? I'm usually out fairly early, so I'd be happy to claim a bit extra. I've found out that staking is fine with a few ribbons, just no roping off, so let me know and I'll be there for marking for all of us.
Green Flame has a big clear area next to us that can be "acquired" as well, just give us advance wanring so we can tarp it down!
The Elfwines had a great experience camping this weekend, and look forward to future trips.
Thanks, TRF!!
Quote from: brier patch charlie on November 06, 2008, 03:31:07 PM
I was crushed that they no longer had Young's D Chocolate stout or the oat meal stout. I drop about a 100 bucks on it in the POW.
They have double chocolate at the seadevil.
my belief of the no roping off thing is this, I think it was done because the weekend that Taarna and I went we kept running into road blocks due to area's being roped and the area's that were not roped were often times not accessable, and we do as clan members need to remember that people that are not part of a clan still want to camp and do need access to the untaken area's, more so than they (the faire mgmt) are trying to be a pain or intolerant of clan relationships and communal camping of clans. the thing about being territorial and overly aggressive can be handled thru the LEO's on site, be we also have to be tolerant of people setting up abd abutting the area we have marked and remember that they do need a place to camp as well and not be overly protective of our area boundries. if we police ourselves then mgmt won't have to get involved.
Hey - youse guyz - Rennies who have camped already this year... what's the blood count? Two years ago someone threw a keg in the bonfire and hurt some folks... everyone safe this year?
We have been struggling with the daily grind to get up to Renfest, and are FINALLY making it this weekend. YEAH!!!!! Jumping in a circle, big boobs jiggling... you get the idea. :)
We've decided to move into the family section this year because last year the drunks were driving too near the tents for comfort. Someone smasked a trailer right outside our area. Grim...
I heartily endorse camping and drinking. But drunk campers shouldn't try to drive - its hard enough to stagger convincingly. :)
Speaking of which, did I mention I am now a CERTIFIED kilt inspector. (leer)
first read this thread, Problems with the community fire, than read this current thread to get a good perspective on how things have changed since the "powder keg"
Indeed things are changing for the better. I've seen quite a few now in chrome bracelets. Are those period? It'd be nice to see them in period shackles!! Wouldn't THAT be a riot!!!
The camps are getting better after much complaint. Just a few can ruin a good time, but those few are getting thrown out with regularity now.
From what I heard from rumors and first hand from security:
Some groups staked their claims using ropes. When security is riding their ATVs between areas, hitting a rope is a bummer.
George (yeh "him") saw a RV with a large marked off area and no one else able to camp in the marked area.
From what I saw this weekend, folks who normally camp further down are now able to setup on the lower numbered rows. I met many folks who are usually not in the Chaos area and I enjoyed meeting with them so I have mixed feelings about the non-taping rule.
I heard the moron with the RV had such a large area roped off and no other campers joined him...that's why King George decided on no roping off anymore. If the RV guy didn't want other cmapers near him, he should have just stayed the heck home in my opinion.
But I didnt think about the officers on the 4 wheelers having to maneuver between the roped off areas. That had to be a pain in the rear, not seeing caution tape in the dark and driving into it.
And of course since one of our Valhalla friends couldn't rope off an area...Brigadoons spot was taken over by some freakin monks...even tho I was told they were freely giving drinks to some of Brigadoon and Valhalla and were nice and apologetic...I can't drink, so they didnt do anything to appease me.... >:( But...they only come out once a year...so hopefully this coming weekend, we can camp in our normal spot again.
BrigaQueen,
You guys need to send someone out on Fridays even if it is to just drop stuff off. Lately it has been Valhalla chasing off the riff raff for you folks. If you'll have someone drop it Randy and I will spread it out to maximize Brigadoons well earned and hard fought area.
Yes, The no roping rule makes it imperative that a clan have a land grabber that can show up very early to stake a claim.
We hoped no one was extremely offended and hated that we ended up being the oldest groups wake up call. Sorry for anyone that was inconvenienced and assure you that next year we will have someone other than Brother Octavius be the first there This was his first time to ever set camp.
Quote from: brigaqueen1 on November 17, 2008, 07:06:19 PM
And of course since one of our Valhalla friends couldn't rope off an area...Brigadoons spot was taken over by some awesome and wonderful handsome monks...even tho I was told they were freely giving drinks to some of Brigadoon and Valhalla and were nice and apologetic...I can't drink, so they didnt do anything to appease me.... >:( But...they only come out once a year...so hopefully this coming weekend, we can camp in our normal spot again.
It was I. As I drove in from the front area, it was still a bit swampy and the entry road was still draining, I admit it, I made an early and complete lap then ran for high ground. My apologies and if BrigaQueen will allow it, I will make it up to her, please just tell me the way. In the chair with Bear is a no go.
Brother Octavius in the privey but my door is always open.
Thanks Snylor...usually there are a few that get out there Thurs. nights or early Fri. mornings to start setting up and saving spots. But Ill try and get a hold of Randy...I don't know the next time he is coming out. Or I'm going to try and get out there myself Fri. afternoon after work...just depends on my schedule if I can swing it.
I think that over the years, the regular rennie campers know who camps where and won't infringe on other spots out of respect. Luckily we were still able to cram into Valhalla without any problems, however, we do like our usual spot and really hope that we won't have anymore issues keeping it. I'm a creature of habit...I don't like change lol....
ITts alright Octavius....just remember in the future...I don't drink booze....chocolate or fig newtons are my weakness :P
What about chocolate covered fig newtons, I know people. ;D
Either way, I will never forget.
Yes I think chocolate covered fig newtons would work very well... wow...if only they actually made those...I'd be in big trouble!
Hey Steph,
We are all planning on the next 2 weekends. Randy will be there Thurs. night and I'll be there around noonish on Friday. My number is 512-970-6848, call me and I'll give you Randy's number if you still need it.
"Awesome and wonderful handsome monks"?? Hm....no I dont think I wrote that in those words....
Sounds good Sny....I do have Randys number...I didn't even realize I had it....plus with you guys and Missy and Kerry...I'm sure Brigadoon will be in good hands! Love ya!