All's Faire in Love has come to BARF to film, apparently:
http://www.renaissancefest.com/2009/hollywoodrelease.pdf
My condolences....
The production crew created more than their fair share of headaches when they were at MiRF.
My personal favorite was golf carts rolling through across the 'village' during morning dance (a half hour after gate opened to the public)
Classy. Professional. Yah. (<---- sarcasm, in case it was lost on anyone)
;D ;D
You'all should have had them thrown in the stocks. That would have shown them how a proper village works.
We haven't stocks, but we've got floggers... Hollywood best behave. :D
Floggers, eh?
um...wait....That might have the opposite effect...they don't call it HollyWIERD for nuthin ya know. :D
*delurking*
On Saturday, I found the film crew rude and abrasive. And then there were their golf carts, where they practically ran over patrons. Not wanting to cause waves, since I'm only here on cast this one year and it's not worth it, I kept out of the 'action' and glared at them from a distance when they were stalking the Court, but seriously, it's sad how so many cast happily jumped in front of the cameras and eagerly signed the releases. Had they asked me to, I'd have laughed and said NO due to their attitude, just so they'd have to trash that footage. They were big enough jerks to merit my doing so.
Seriously people. You're not going to be 'discovered' as an extra in a film that is going to have a box office life of a month.
Yeah, it's got to be hard to film at a ren faire. Not everyone *wants* to be filmed, they just want their day at Fittlesworth, while others are probably jumping in front of the camera without being asked. I'm surprised they didn't make use of the special events area. Build their own set and borrow from the pool of patrons just beyond.
Quote from: pktaxwench on March 03, 2009, 08:43:46 AM
Seriously people. You're not going to be 'discovered' as an extra in a film that is going to have a box office life of a month.
A month?
That's pretty generous.
We 'Northern Shire' denizens are thinking this one's goin
straight to video. ;D
Quote from: Anna Iram on March 03, 2009, 10:15:08 AM
I'm surprised they didn't make use of the special events area. Build their own set and borrow from the pool of patrons just beyond.
Don't say that too loud -- they might get ideas, and Fittlesworth will be treated to the strains of power tools and worker's radios going in the middle of Show Saturdays. >:(
Yes.
During the show.
Sorry for the negative mojo on this thread....I was just less than impressed with the impact they had on MiRF and the patrons while they were here, and the lack of respect they had for the Show, it's staff, actors, and patrons.
I thought that the movie was done being filmed?
GRR!!! Im not a have of this,
Huzzah the movie YES!
this hollywood BS NOT SO MUCH!!!
I am very glad this thread was brought up as I was curious about what the impact would be on BARF as we all have seen distrctions before and this one seems like it would be a big one. At least now when I go for the first time on Sunday I'll be prepared to be on the lookout for golf carts and such. I don't want to get run over. LOL!
Mom and I'll see ya Sunday!
only thing that would be cool is if I got to meet anne-margaret, I grew up on watching her in movies!!
Other than that MEEH!!!
but I dont think any of the stars will be there.
I really hate to have to say this, but unless someone who has been to BARF recently can confirm that the actual film production crew is out doing auditions, I'm not sure this is for real. Every blog and news release I've seen about the All's Faire movie says that it's been wrapped and is in post-production. I worked at MiRF as an extra on the film, so I can only speak frome experience in that it seems odd that a low-budget production like this one (reported at $7M) would shoot at 2 totally different locations. Considering all the mayhem the crew caused during the season at MiRF, it just strikes me as odd considering the cost involved in all the moving around.
PS I called Patriot Pictures who is the film company producing the film at (323) 874-8850, and they claimed not to be aware of further filming at this time, but would check it out.
The movie synopsis on IMDB talks about a faire called "Ye Olde Times Renaissance Faire" so it wouldn't make sense to film at two different renaissance festivals.
Regards,
CB
Quote from: fairetraveller on March 04, 2009, 06:00:15 PM
I really hate to have to say this, but unless someone who has been to BARF recently can confirm that the actual film production crew is out doing auditions, I'm not sure this is for real. Every blog and news release I've seen about the All's Faire movie says that it's been wrapped and is in post-production. I worked at MiRF as an extra on the film, so I can only speak frome experience in that it seems odd that a low-budget production like this one (reported at $7M) would shoot at 2 totally different locations. Considering all the mayhem the crew caused during the season at MiRF, it just strikes me as odd considering the cost involved in all the moving around.
PS I called Patriot Pictures who is the film company producing the film at (323) 874-8850, and they claimed not to be aware of further filming at this time, but would check it out.
I can confirm that they were there and filming last weekend. I hear your doubt, but we would not be discussing it if we had not been involved with it.
Fairtetraveller, we've all seen the film crews, heard various stories and even spoken with the directors/cameraman. The crew is here doing some fill in work it seems, and to make a documentary, though yes it's shown as being wrapped.
We like Odd and Mayhem is always welcome it seems. :D
One thing to remember also is that MIRF is like the big sister of BARF, the office up there has a big hand in what we do here (from my understanding that is, think about the webpage and how it said michigan...). This is the second unit, they are just filming little extra bits for the movie. So, the Real movie has been wrapped up but the editing has not, and part of editing is getting extra footage!
Well that's my two cents :)
If your coming this weekend look for the green faery with the lilypad on her head running around with the other faeries resenting the film crew :)
Sweet! >:(
There go our dreams of instant Hollywierd fame and fortune.... :D
Quote from: Seamus Ex Machina on March 05, 2009, 09:03:31 PM
Sweet! >:(
There go our dreams of instant Hollywierd fame and fortune.... :D
Says who Seamus? I bet with the size of your gun you could get famous. LOL!
humm, okay I guess that could be taken the wrong way....that's not what I meant. It's just that the picture of your gun on your shoulder takes up almost all of your picture.
Quote from: Mmketeer on March 06, 2009, 10:14:38 AM
Quote from: Seamus Ex Machina on March 05, 2009, 09:03:31 PM
Sweet! >:(
There go our dreams of instant Hollywierd fame and fortune.... :D
Says who Seamus? I bet with the size of your gun you could get famous. LOL!
humm, okay I guess that could be taken the wrong way....that's not what I meant. It's just that the picture of your gun on your shoulder takes up almost all of your picture.
Uh huh, as the Bard says, "Me thinks the Lady doth protest too much..."
So Mm, checking out Seamus' gun now huh?
Quote from: Mmketeer on March 06, 2009, 10:14:38 AM
Quote from: Seamus Ex Machina on March 05, 2009, 09:03:31 PM
Sweet! >:(
There go our dreams of instant Hollywierd fame and fortune.... :D
Says who Seamus? I bet with the size of your gun you could get famous. LOL!
humm, okay I guess that could be taken the wrong way....that's not what I meant. It's just that the picture of your gun on your shoulder takes up almost all of your picture.
Remember, the camera adds 10 pounds......... ;D
LOL! What can I say... I might wear glasses, but I can still see. ::)
PS
Good one Seamus, I'm still giggling. LOL!
Well a press release from the movie itself said that Anne Margaret would not be at the filming this weekend......
She may be old, but then again So am I......but alas we will not meet again....
ok... having conversed at some length with the 'film crew'...
I'm afraid there's an agenda here.
They seemed very interested in getting the WORST of us on film. No, the film's not 'wrapped up' at all... not if they can get significant footage of folks who can't differentiate reality from fantasy.
Think... Mockumentary
It didn't take long talking to them to realize this, either. The conversation started out with them wanting to get a Roguing on film and suddenly that took a backseat to questions about getting whackjobs and lunatics in action.
Sorry, no... this isn't a good deal for any of us in the community.
I didn't see them this past weekend. Not that I was looking for them; keeping the McCracks occupied was a full time job. But I suspect they got all they needed the weekend before, if indeed the cameras were running.....no, this is not what they represented themselves to be.
I hope it turns out better than this:
http://allsfaire.tv/
I just stumbled onto this thread. The production company did a great job of getting people pissed at MIRF when they were there....
I was one of the people "picked" out of the crowd to go a couple of rounds with security because I had a camera.
Jon.
Quote from: Caligo on March 28, 2009, 08:00:36 AM
I hope it turns out better than this:
http://allsfaire.tv/
I thought this was hysterical. I laughed so hard. What a great spoof!
I thought it was odd that I managed to find pix from the actual cast-level of shooting out at MIRF from All's Faire. I posted the link but I'm very curious as to how the person got the photos in the first place, given the level of gestapo control that happened over the season. People got cameras confiscated, etc from what I've heard. This is so unfortunate!
Quote from: Jon Foster on March 28, 2009, 02:31:55 PM
I just stumbled onto this thread. The production company did a great job of getting people pissed at MIRF when they were there....
I was one of the people "picked" out of the crowd to go a couple of rounds with security because I had a camera.
Jon.
Quote from: fairetraveller on March 28, 2009, 09:15:58 PM
I thought it was odd that I managed to find pix from the actual cast-level of shooting out at MIRF from All's Faire. I posted the link but I'm very curious as to how the person got the photos in the first place, given the level of gestapo control that happened over the season. People got cameras confiscated, etc from what I've heard. This is so unfortunate!
I've never been to MiRF ... so it is owned by the same person/persons/group etc., that owns BARF? Why would patrons there get their cameras confiscated? If photography were not permitted, shouldn't it be stated on tickets, at the gate, on the web site etc? Sounds rather bizarre, IMHO. ???
Hold on, lets be fair here. As far as I know nobody had a camera taken away. And nobody was turned away at the gate because they had a camera. And there were signs posted at the gate during the filming to let everyone know what was going on inside.
To take a camera would have been illegal. To ask somebody to leave because they were taking pictures when asked not to is legit. It is after all private property. But, the way the photography issues were handled was not professional at all and showed poor professionalism, poor judgment and poor customer relations. Management screwed up plain and simple. But that was all.
I have lots of pictures of the sets and the actors etc. I even had verbal permission to shoot up close by the crew. But something must have happened to make the production company change their mind about people shooting the production. As a result I got picked out of the crowd (when I wasn't even taking pictures of the production) and exchanged a few words with security. Actually it was Jim, the head of security. After that I pretty much kept away from the production for the rest of the season. The only other time I had anything to do with them was to exchange a few words with Mathew Lillard when I ran into him during the festival.
Now it sounds like I'm defending them... ::)
Jon.
Quote from: Jon Foster on March 29, 2009, 10:04:17 PMTo take a camera would have been illegal. To ask somebody to leave because they were taking pictures when asked not to is legit. It is after all private property. But, the way the photography issues were handled was not professional at all and showed poor professionalism, poor judgment and poor customer relations. Management screwed up plain and simple. But that was all.
Actually it is not legit, it is a violation of copyright law. While they CAN ban cameras from the site they MUST ban everyone (not the film crew, staff, ect.) from using cameras. This is an issue that crops up very often among photographers. If they allow camera use at all then they can not pick and choose who or how. The fact that it is private property doesn't change the fact that it is a public venue, which means that individuals that are there have no reasonable expectation of privacy as long as cameras are not directly banned. Also, just an FYI, if the cameras are banned, but the ban is not actively enforced than the ban is not considered active under US copyright law.
The (handwritten) poster signs at the front gates announced that if you set foot on the site, you could have your image captured by the production company -- and your atttendence was tacit approval of this fact.
However, from many reports, the crew did not want pictures taken of the production, cast or crew.
Very one sided. And yes, from all reports (and I took some with a grain of salt) I was hearing, it was indeed mishandled by managment of the production, and I imagine there were a few people in MiRF Management that did not understand what would happen when filming began, or what was happening during filming.
My opinion is, if they wanted to film during a festival day, then they'd have to put up with photogs of all kinds snapping pics. If they wanted to ensure privacy for the production, then the should have shot those scenes with extras on a day that the Festival was NOT OPEN.
Pretty simple, I thought. Ahhh....But...then they'd have to pay people to be extras instead of getting their crowd shots for free from the general public.
It wouldn't have been such an issue (at least to me) if the crew hadn't alienated the PATRONS of the show.... you know, the ones that the festival spends lots and lots of marketing money to entice to come to see the festival every year?
I looked at the photos and after seeing Cedric the Entertainer in armor I decided the movie will likely be a huge failure. I bet it will go straight to DVD.
I predict that this film will not be any sort of "legendary" film about renaissance faires or get any cult following in the community like the following of "The Holy Grail" or "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" have in certain circles.
Did they post signs saying people's cameras would or could be confiscated?
Even if they did they have no right to confiscate people's property.
A production company or faire management or private property owner has no right to seize people's cameras (property) merely because they posted a sign saying they could. The only people who could potentially seize a camera would be the police if they suspected the camera had to do with a crime or had evidence of a crime.
Seizure of property without due process is theft.
Any other seizure is theft. Now if they posted a sign saying "no filming" and you filmed or took photos they could potentially bring a civil lawsuit or allege that you were trespassing because they posted a set of rules about who could enter the faire and for what purpose, I.E. you cannot enter to film or photograph the production crew.
If I was ever at an event, public or private, and someone pointed to a sign and tried to seize my camera I would tell them to go to hell or call the police or offer to leave. Of course I would obey a posted sign if it asked that no photographs could be taken but just in case I missed the sign I sure as hell would not give some rent-a-security-guy my camera equipment.
If I decided to relinquish the photo I would show them I deleted it on my camera memory card and wouldn't let them physically take my camera and if they asked me to leave I would leave WITH my camera.
Of course deleted files can be undeleted (snickers). With a simple undelete program you can recover a "deleted" photograph as long as it is not written over by another photograph.
I bet the "security" people would just delete the photo on the card if you gave them the card and not realize the photo could be undeleted.
I question the decision of the faire to prevent filming or photographs of things happening at a faire since it is incredibly un"faire" to the patrons who might only go one time a year and suddenly cannot record their memories.
Regards,
CB
Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on March 28, 2009, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Caligo on March 28, 2009, 08:00:36 AM
I hope it turns out better than this:
http://allsfaire.tv/
I thought this was hysterical. I laughed so hard. What a great spoof!
I disagree. I found it pretty pathetic and really think this is the kind of crap they were looking to do. Rennies really don't need to have something like this making us look like a bunch of morons who can't tell fantasy from reality. As it is, the press only ever interviews the whackjobs at Faire... this sort of film would only cement the notion that those nutcases are the norm at Faire, not the exception.
Quote from: Count Adolfo on March 30, 2009, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on March 28, 2009, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Caligo on March 28, 2009, 08:00:36 AM
I hope it turns out better than this:
http://allsfaire.tv/
I thought this was hysterical. I laughed so hard. What a great spoof!
I disagree. I found it pretty pathetic and really think this is the kind of crap they were looking to do. Rennies really don't need to have something like this making us look like a bunch of morons who can't tell fantasy from reality. As it is, the press only ever interviews the whackjobs at Faire... this sort of film would only cement the notion that those nutcases are the norm at Faire, not the exception.
I thought it was so over the top that it would be obvious to just about anyone who looked at it that they were goofing around, not that it was meant at all to be taken seriously. Now, I'm not talking about what they filmed at BARF or what they were trying to portray there, since I'm about 1400 miles away and don't have any idea what they did. I'm referring to the website you posted. I can't imagine that anyone would take that for reality. It's so stereotyped (the dumb blonde, the doper) and so full of cliches that they must have been joking!
Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on March 30, 2009, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: Count Adolfo on March 30, 2009, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on March 28, 2009, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Caligo on March 28, 2009, 08:00:36 AM
I hope it turns out better than this:
http://allsfaire.tv/
I thought this was hysterical. I laughed so hard. What a great spoof!
I disagree. I found it pretty pathetic and really think this is the kind of crap they were looking to do. Rennies really don't need to have something like this making us look like a bunch of morons who can't tell fantasy from reality. As it is, the press only ever interviews the whackjobs at Faire... this sort of film would only cement the notion that those nutcases are the norm at Faire, not the exception.
I thought it was so over the top that it would be obvious to just about anyone who looked at it that they were goofing around, not that it was meant at all to be taken seriously. Now, I'm not talking about what they filmed at BARF or what they were trying to portray there, since I'm about 1400 miles away and don't have any idea what they did. I'm referring to the website you posted. I can't imagine that anyone would take that for reality. It's so stereotyped (the dumb blonde, the doper) and so full of cliches that they must have been joking!
unfortunately, there are plenty of people out there who think that's what we're all like
Quote from: Cobaltblu on March 30, 2009, 10:12:57 AM
The only people who could potentially seize a camera would be the police if they suspected the camera had to do with a crime or had evidence of a crime.
Seizure of property without due process is theft.
After the shooting of Oscar Grant several officers seized cameras under the guise that those cameras held evidence, these seizers were illegal and are now coming under question as an attempt to both control information regarding the shooting and as possible attempts (in the case of several threats) to intimidate witnesses. The police may ONLY seize cameras in cases in which the CAMERA was involved in a crime and ONLY as part of an arrest. The police, nor security, can make you delete images or remove film from a camera. They can arrest you for possession of an image on the camera or for stalking, ect. and use the camera as evidence for why they arrested you. But they can't just force you to delete images or seize your camera.
Now, this doesn't mean they can't give you a choice between giving up the card/film or being arrested. I have seized disposable cameras and a 256k memory card (we don't allow deleting - we take the card) after giving people the option of surrender or arrest for taking illegal pictures. So far I have never had someone argue the fact, but since it is a felony just to have the cameras in those cases there isn't much to argue.
An officer can also get your information and inform you that you CAN NOT delete an image or video until you have spoken to investigators if such images/video are considered potential evidence. And disposing of such would be considered destruction of physical evidence of a crime and possibly aiding in the commission of a crime (unlikely).
And just an FYI since several cases have had officers claiming "photography laws" covered by the Patriot Act, there are NO PHOTOGRAPHY LAWS in the Patriot Act. The only mention of photography or video under the Patriot Act is the provision for federal monies to be spent on updated cameras and video equipment for local law enforcement agencies.
Know and defend your rights. Failure to do so will result in you not having them any more.
Quote from: Count Adolfo on March 30, 2009, 08:26:40 PM
Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on March 30, 2009, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: Count Adolfo on March 30, 2009, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: Lady Renee Buchanan on March 28, 2009, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Caligo on March 28, 2009, 08:00:36 AM
I hope it turns out better than this:
http://allsfaire.tv/
I thought this was hysterical. I laughed so hard. What a great spoof!
I disagree. I found it pretty pathetic and really think this is the kind of crap they were looking to do. Rennies really don't need to have something like this making us look like a bunch of morons who can't tell fantasy from reality. As it is, the press only ever interviews the whackjobs at Faire... this sort of film would only cement the notion that those nutcases are the norm at Faire, not the exception.
I thought it was so over the top that it would be obvious to just about anyone who looked at it that they were goofing around, not that it was meant at all to be taken seriously. Now, I'm not talking about what they filmed at BARF or what they were trying to portray there, since I'm about 1400 miles away and don't have any idea what they did. I'm referring to the website you posted. I can't imagine that anyone would take that for reality. It's so stereotyped (the dumb blonde, the doper) and so full of cliches that they must have been joking!
unfortunately, there are plenty of people out there who think that's what we're all like
And you care? I sure don't! lol ;D
ah, but you should
when an entity such as this one makes a 'mockumentary' and tries to perpetuate these groundless rumours about our community... they are damaging our reputation
you may not care what they think... but bear in mind that they are using the media to defame the character of those of us who enjoy dressing up and going to a renfaire.
I have friends who are teachers... friends who are police officers... friends from many walks of life and they are all also Rennies. When these people try to cast scorn upon them, potentially damage their careers, sully their reputation, or otherwise injure them by portraying the Faire and it's playtrons as something we are not?
Well, yeah... I care.
That's my point, Count. I am a professional with 2 college degrees. My husband is one, too. We own our own business. When people that we don't know learn we go to faire, if at first they may have that mindset that you describe, after talking with us, they see that it's a myth. Because they learn we are not like that.
And anyone with half a brain should realize that police officers, doctors, teachers, bankers, etc. do not fit into the mold of this documentary. And for those who continue to believe this stereotype, well, they probably believe other stereotypes, and nothing is going to change their minds.
I see myself as a public relations officer for faire, because my everyday demeanor suggests the type of person I am. And any chance to educate someone about faire in a positive light, I will do. So what someone shows in a film, which in my eyes is a spoof, really doesn't bother me.
And we can debate this till the cows come home. I've mentioned how I feel, which is probably different than how others feel, so I'm done! :D
Quote from: Caligo on March 29, 2009, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: Jon Foster on March 29, 2009, 10:04:17 PMTo take a camera would have been illegal. To ask somebody to leave because they were taking pictures when asked not to is legit. It is after all private property. But, the way the photography issues were handled was not professional at all and showed poor professionalism, poor judgment and poor customer relations. Management screwed up plain and simple. But that was all.
Actually it is not legit, it is a violation of copyright law. While they CAN ban cameras from the site they MUST ban everyone (not the film crew, staff, ect.) from using cameras. This is an issue that crops up very often among photographers. If they allow camera use at all then they can not pick and choose who or how. The fact that it is private property doesn't change the fact that it is a public venue, which means that individuals that are there have no reasonable expectation of privacy as long as cameras are not directly banned. Also, just an FYI, if the cameras are banned, but the ban is not actively enforced than the ban is not considered active under US copyright law.
I'm not sure I'm following you here. Copyright law has nothing to do with your actions on private property. Basically, the owners/management of a private facility can ask you to leave for any reason. Or no reason at all. If they ask you to not take any pictures and you still do, then yes, they can ask you to leave simply because they can. They can't take your gear or force you to delete anything. Forcing you to delete images you've created is illegal blah blah blah...
Do I agree with what happened at the faire this past year? No. But the bottom line is, it's their faire and they can call the shots. Yes it was upsetting but it wasn't really worth ruining the day any further either. I made my complaints and everything went back to normal once the production company left.
For the most part everyone attending the faire was happy to have their pictures taken. My websites receive thousands of hits per day because of the faire(s) we attended. And as a result my name gets out there more and more, the faires we attend get tons of free advertising and the people I shoot have the option to get good quality pictures of themselves having fun etc.
Jon.
Quote from: Jon Foster on April 03, 2009, 09:16:49 PMBasically, the owners/management of a private facility can ask you to leave for any reason. Or no reason at all. If they ask you to not take any pictures and you still do, then yes, they can ask you to leave simply because they can. They can't take your gear or force you to delete anything. Forcing you to delete images you've created is illegal blah blah blah...
Actually Copyright Law does come in to play here because it is the basis for your civil actions. If the owner of private property, which is being used for public activities, asks you to leave for actions which do not violate any laws or rules it is a basis of discrimination. If they are allowing everyone to take pictures but single you out and ask you to leave they are violating your civil rights. Once private property is used for public activities an owner must justify removal of an individual. Failure to do so opens them up to all sorts of lawsuits which they won't win, all of those signs which say you can be refused service for any reason don't matter once you step in to court. Now if they were stopping everyone from taking pictures, that would be different.
Caligo we're hijacking this thread. Maybe we should move this offline?
Edit: I PM'ed you.
Jon.
Quote from: Sir Martin on March 29, 2009, 03:23:48 AM
Quote from: fairetraveller on March 28, 2009, 09:15:58 PM
I thought it was odd that I managed to find pix from the actual cast-level of shooting out at MIRF from All's Faire. I posted the link but I'm very curious as to how the person got the photos in the first place, given the level of gestapo control that happened over the season. People got cameras confiscated, etc from what I've heard. This is so unfortunate!
I've never been to MiRF ... so it is owned by the same person/persons/group etc., that owns BARF? Why would patrons there get their cameras confiscated? If photography were not permitted, shouldn't it be stated on tickets, at the gate, on the web site etc? Sounds rather bizarre, IMHO. ???
Yes, Jim Peterson and Mid-America Festivals owns both shows, and the film was originally slated, according to the information local extras recieved, to be shot entirely at the MirF in Holly, Mi. To answer The Bookwench's post as well, they actually DID do filming exclusively with their cast and extras and booth owners on some closed-gate days. However, that didn't stop people from driving up and wandering in. The security seemed lax on these days, however, the issues with cameras getting confiscated is something that was taking place on crowded days when people were haranging the main actors, or making it really hard for them to shoot on actual festival days.
Hope this finally clears this all up ;)