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Title: Portrait Query: Hennin Help
Post by: bellevivre on July 01, 2009, 07:24:43 PM
(http://www.wga.hu/preview/m/master/ursula/4portrai.jpg)

In the above portrait- does it look like you can see her hair just above the short henin, where her veil goes over?

Link is here: http://www.wga.hu/preview/m/master/ursula/4portrai.jpg
Title: Re: Portrait Query: Hennin Help
Post by: Genievea Brookstone on July 01, 2009, 09:54:48 PM
It kind of looks like the Clark Kent swirly on the forehead.  :-\

To me, it looks like there is a thin line of hair all around.
Title: Re: Portrait Query: Hennin Help
Post by: sealion on July 01, 2009, 10:10:48 PM
It's not hair but some kind of loop. I've seen it discussed on some of the costuming boards but, since it's not my style, I didn't pay attention to the details of how or why it was done.
Title: Re: Portrait Query: Hennin Help
Post by: Kate XXXXXX on July 02, 2009, 07:01:31 AM
ALMOST all the hair shopuld be inside the Henin.  The loop is wire covered in black stuff, often thought to be velvet.  I made it as a loop in the wire I put round the sweatband/lower edge of the henin.  When I made it, we scraped the hair back into a bun inside the henin and I sewed hand worked loops all round the sweatband area (about 8 of them) and we anchored it to her hair with kirby grips.

Sorry, I don't have pix: this was way before I got in the habit of snapping everything as I made it!
Title: Re: Portrait Query: Hennin Help
Post by: bellevivre on July 02, 2009, 07:56:45 AM
should have been more specific- I mean, at the top of teh henin itself, where the veil drapes over... the henin is black, but there's something brown sticking out? maybe?
Title: Re: Portrait Query: Hennin Help
Post by: Kate XXXXXX on July 02, 2009, 08:43:38 AM
No, the hats were closed at the top, like a waste paper basket!   ;D  It's probably just the way the background is showing through the veil draped over the top.  The veils were quite stiif (silk organza is perfect for them) and pinned in place, sometimes over a wire frame.  Here are a couple more simple ones:

(http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1455_donor_christus.jpg)  (http://marquise.de/images/1400/14xx_2)  (//)

You can clearly see the pins in the second one.