renaissance painting?

[juliap]

Is this a renaissance painting?

http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/169x_5.shtml

It is labled as being in 1665-1699

It is a pretty nice website with lots of different paintings seperated by the years.

I was looking around for more ideas for my sleeves on my dress and found this photo.  It looks like colonial sleeves (I thought) but maybe it is mislabled. I was thinking boy would it be easy to just put the trim on my dress and be done with it.  I do want to look accurate though.  Although I will never be totally accurate because I wear glasses   

[juliap]

Oh wait does the colonial times start in the 1600's?  What time period does the renaissance encompass?

[gem]

The period we consider the Renaissance (particularly for costuming purposes) began in the late 15th century/late 1400s in Italy, and ends with the death of Queen Elizabeth I of England in 1603. "Renaissance" fashion continued for the next decade or so, but gradually gave way to the falling collars and sort of extreme styles that characterize the next period (which I'm getting to).

When we say "Colonial," we typically mean the late period of English colonial rule of America, or the 18th century/1700s. In Europe, this period is sometimes called the Rococo period (think Mozart and Thomas Jefferson).

The portrait you've linked to belongs to the period *between* the Renaissance and the Colonial eras, the Baroque period, which encompasses most of the 17th century/1600s. This is the era of the Three Musketeers, Vermeer, the English Civil War, etc. I'm not seeing an exact date on the image, but it looks late to me (ie, it's definitely Baroque, but it resembles 18th century style more than Renaissance style). There is an excellent movie for Baroque fashion starring Robert Downey, Jr. called "Restoration." "The Libertine" with Johnny Depp is also good.

[Cilean]

No this is not Renaissance which ends at Queen Elizabeth's death in 1603.  So this gown is in no way Renaissance.  This gown is Baroque period late 1600's to the 1800's.

Cavalier Period was in between Renaissance and Baroque periods.


Cilean

[operafantomet]

Is this a renaissance painting?

http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/169x_5.shtml

It's neither Renaissance nor a painting. 

The mantua which the lady wears became fashionable in the 1690s sometime, and remained so until the 1740s. The narrow shape and the fontange (high lace head garb) place it in the early times of this style. One later style of this dress became extremely wide over the hips, and was usually made of silks with gold and/or silver. These were court dresses. Another style developed into the "Robe a la française", which also were wider over the hips, and the folds in the back was no longer tucked down. All styles depended on a chemise with lace cuffs, a petticoat, and a fabric-rich overdress closed with a stomacher in front. It's the lace cuffs of the chemise you see poking out at the elbows. Sometimes they're called "engageants".

The engageants came into fashion with the Baroque era. Late renaissance fashion had a pre-runner, massive lace cuffs poking out at the wrist, often folded back. But they were always at the wrist, never at the elbow. However, in the Baroque fashion they crawled further up, eventually poking out from the elbow. But that style is a hundred years after the Renaissance (more or less).

Example of lace cuffs at the wrist in the Renaissance:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/operafantomet/renaissanceportraits/venezia2/veronese1550.jpg

Example of an early mantua with lace engageants:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/operafantomet/mantua/met1708uk.jpg

[juliap]

I guess it is more of a drawing and not a painting.   I am not sure what it is.  Thanks for identifying it for me.  I am having a nice history lesson along with making this dress.  Before I did not know the difference between robin hood times to pirate times but now I know they are seperated by hundreds of years with the renaissance in between. 
  I sure like that website though it has a nice collection of different paintings and drawings all labeled by the years. It even lets you zoom in on the different parts of the dress on some of them.   

[Kate XXXXXX]

It's a fashion plate: a print made from am engraving.     They were a relatively quick and easy way of disseminating fashion ideas.  Dressmakers would have 'pattern books' full of such things.  Fashion changed rather more slowly then than now.