At the campgrounds.....

[Breandan]

only at the low, low price of somebody's life... I think I speak for all of us when I say to George- 'let it not come to that!'

Hope they listen...

[Glaodian]

only at the low, low price of somebody's life... I think I speak for all of us when I say to George- 'let it not come to that!'

Hope they listen...

Is anyone even telling them?  It has been a few years since I have been out at the campgrounds, and have no current experiences to report to them.  On the other hand, those of you that have recent experiences need to voice them to those in charge at TRF.  If no one is reporting these issues, then nothing will ever been done about it.  And seeing as how the new admin group in charge is wanting to make changes, this might get done. 

We never know unless we try.

[Strange]

AHE is in 2 weeks.
Seems like a good time for a conclave.
I'll bring the Coors Light.

[Morrigan]

Is anyone even telling them?  It has been a few years since I have been out at the campgrounds, and have no current experiences to report to them.  On the other hand, those of you that have recent experiences need to voice them to those in charge at TRF.  If no one is reporting these issues, then nothing will ever been done about it.  And seeing as how the new admin group in charge is wanting to make changes, this might get done. 

We never know unless we try.

Which is exactly what I was saying in the other camping thread.  Use the 'contact us' link on their web page and tell them exactly what happened, and how it affected your experience at TRF.  They NEED to hear this stuff directly from the people it affects.   I know for a fact that those emails DO get read.

[Laird Fraser of Lovatt]

*EMP gun* 

[Taylor Blu]

*EMP gun* 

YES

[brier patch charlie]

You know things have gotten a lot better over the years, but for all whom quimbule over a few little things well here's your fix! "No pun intent-ed" Put a fence around the camp ground with only two ways in and guards to check people in and out, and NOBODY UNDER 21, with out a guardian. There that will stop it, Or better yet close camping.  And I bet you will find it's not just the ravers that causing all the problems. I'm sorry to unload on everybody, but y'all kick this can around every year and y'all have beat this horse to death. George has done a lot to make camping better, if you don't watch it he might just say to hell with ya and close camping, he has long sen-ts made his money off of TRF.

[Breandan]

I want to live in that universe

[gaerdon]

I guess im either weird/lucky/or threatening enough not to have had a problem with the party hounds (ravers is a little to specific).  Few times ive had a problem with music/loudness/generaly stupidity grab an extra beer or two and walk over give them one and ask them to turn it down abit and they have.  I know roughly 25% of people i talk to every year at the camp site say they arnt going into faire they are just camping, which seems crazy to me since they still have to buy a ticket, but have no personal problem with that if they act like human beings.  Its a fun place to b, plenty of people to walk around and chat with, sitting around a campfire with your buddies talking all night, even listening to a bit of music at a appropriate lvl, all fun and the more the merrier. 

I rly dont think that these people are the huge problem, its just general idiocy compounded with lots of drinking.  Security should b stepping up and being more active.  If for example (as happened last year) a man with no shirt on keeps wondering up to your fire and asking while trying to stand upright 'Do you know who stole my shirt?" and then stumbleing on to the next fire, he should b grabbed and either escorted to his tent and told to just sit his butt down or arrested for his own safety.  Not against the idea of a drunk holding area to keep them over night till they sober up enough to b told to get out of there.  If people are complaining about music to them the offenders should be forced to turn it down or leave.  I enjoy the hands off approach they take in many ways, but ive only been camping for 7 years and have noticed it get seemingly worse every year.

On a lighter note, anyone ever had a song come on that they had to turn it up a little to loud while camping?  Was trying to put iris and rose on to convince someone to go to there show the next day but when i hit the radio american pie was on.  Turned it up abit and everyone at our campfire and a few around sang along lol, was a fun memory.

[Nina]

Lady Lara & any others who might be interested, i can only relay what happened to us.  Sorry so long in advance.  We had a nice long day at faire and turned in relatively early, somewhere near the end of row 20.  At around 11pm we were awakened to the sound of a body slamming up against the side of our rv so hard it left a dent.  We didn't know what had happened, (we later found out that a guy was pulled from his tent and thrown up against the rv), my husband ran out side to see what was going on.  What he saw was a naked man running with several people chasing him thru our small camp area.  During the first few minutes he punched a guy right in the face so hard his mouth bled, while screaming and shouting things at people as he stumbled and ran around in circles then came back thru our camp, hit our rv again with his fists this time, and was punching people in the arm, face and where ever his fists landed, as he ran around at top speed in a crazed rant.  My husband had enough and tackled the guy to the ground.  He had just yelled for someone to call security when one of the guy's buddies came up to the scene and tried to choke my husband telling him to let his friend go.  Just as my husband got the 2nd guy's fingers off his throat, the guy on the ground bit my husband on the torso so hard it started bleeding.  My husband jumped back, the guy kicked him in the arm, jumped up and ran across the road, grabbed a small young woman and punched her in the face, then ran in someone's trailer.  The people in the trailer yelled for him to get out, then dragged him out by his feet.  Then a tall guy tackled him again, but it took about 5 or 6 guys to hold him to the ground.  By now he seemed to have super human strength.  He was still screaming and writhing, fighting them and begging to be let up.  Security took easily 15 to 20 minutes to arrive, during which time the tall guy was also bitten.  When they did get there they just let the guys keep holding him, which i found odd.  When the paramedics arrived, they had to strap the guy down really hard to a back board to keep him from kicking and hitting and biting them.  He was still screaming and saying where am i what did i do, and still struggling and trying to hit people.  It was easily a 2 hr ordeal, so someone should check on the accuracy of it only lasting 30 to 45 min. And even if that were true, people could have been severely injured during that time, including the guy who took the drugs.  The cops said it was a designer cocktail drug called cpe2 or something like that.  A mix of LSD, PCP, and several other very strong halucinogens. As for us, we had to wait 3 days to get a blood test back saying my husband doesn't have any dreaded disease, so far. To date we are out $300 on doctors, tests, antibiotics, etc. Gotta get tested again in 6 months to be sure AIDS wasn't involved.  Never though fair camping would come to this.

[MrHyde]

And there you go.... a lawsuit waiting to happen....

let's see you have numerous cases of assault, damage to property, breaking and entering on the RV, neglect of a law enforcement officer since the security detail did nothing.  Then you have the possibility of infection (the human mouth is actually a pool of disease), the blood all over the place is a biohazard emergency

yet some people feel that nothing needs to be changed....

your opportunity legally was when he broke in the RV at that point the RV owner could of blown the guy away and it would of gone down as self defense.

As a past paramedic I can tell you that when people are on these designer cocktails I really don't care how strong you thing you are you will not stop them.  I watched 12 Harris County Sheriff Officers use 10 pairs of handcuffs to handcuff a 150 pound guy to my stretcher.  He then broke out most his teeth trying to chew through the cuffs and bent the stretcher he was on.  One of my co-workers was on a scene where they had a guy come at the officer's with a machete.  They shot the guy 12 times before he dropped.  Nina your husband is lucky.

[Rani Zemirah]

I have no solution to offer for the illegal drug use, since many drugs can't even be sniffed out by dogs, although there have been K-9 units out there on occasion. But as for the annoyance of people playing extremely loud and obnoxious music until 4-5am, well, that's a different matter... Something can, and should, be done. 

Say though, that 1000 vehicles come into the campground every weekend, at $20 a shot... that's and extra $20,000 per week, and $160,000 per season, give or take...  I don't think George is going to give up that revenue because a few idiots don't know how to behave... OR because a group of regulars complain about it.  There would have to be a pretty concentrated effort to show mgmt that it's not in their best interests to allow the disturbances to continue for them to even care, I'm sure.  They know they've got the cheapest, most convenient place to stay for miles around, and most people are going to show up and camp no matter what they have to put up with... mostly because they would rather deal with it than NOT go to Faire.  And that's just the way it is.  


Charlie is right... this is hashed over every year, and this year there are even TWO threads running the same basic complaints, at the same time, and I don't think either of them started out as complaint threads.  


The bottom line seems to be that mgmt isn't going to deal with it, so it's eventually going to fall to whoever is there at the time.  If it continues until someone with too much booze in their blood, and too much heat in their attitude just explodes all over the offenders, then that will be unfortunate.  Sooo... non-violent, LEGAL methods of dealing would definitely be preferable, I'm sure.  

I still like the idea of surrounding their camps with vehicles, blinding them with headlights and blaring car horns until they pack up and leave, or shut it down and play nice.  Next time I make it down I'll volunteer my time, gas, headlights and horn... anyone else?  

[Riot]

 It was easily a 2 hr ordeal, so someone should check on the accuracy of it only lasting 30 to 45 min. And even if that were true, people could have been severely injured during that time, including the guy who took the drugs.  The cops said it was a designer cocktail drug called cpe2 or something like that.  A mix of LSD, PCP, and several other very strong halucinogens.

Thank you for posting your experience. As I said that was 3rd hand information. I know the original source was a police officer, but not sure which one. Thank you for the correcting the information.

[Nina]

Sorry Riot, wasn't trying to nitpick, just venting and informing.  We are hoping that it was just a handfull of selfish people who hopefully will not be there this time.  We are going to try it again this weekend.  Looking forward to a wonderful but uneventful camping experience.  I did hear some one saying they didn't think those people were even going into the faire.  That only one of them actually bought a ticket and went in to set up then everytime they had friend show up they would run out to meet them at the gate with the one ticket.  This problem could easily be solved by marking the ticket upon entering the campground in some way -  stamping or punching the ticket that is shown.  That way it could only be used once.   JMHO.

[Riot]

I don't know if those 3 actually went into faire or not, I do know that the one of the 3 that they believe it might of been "slipped"  (again I say this because I have no idea how it is administered and therefore do not know if it is even possible for it to of happened) was spotted headed up to faire right after release. The person who mentioned it, remembers it because they were amazed they were let go that quickly and allowed to go into faire after the incident.