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Title: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Joyce "Delfinia DuSwallow" Howard on February 12, 2011, 09:11:42 AM
Can someone please tell me the difference? Are they tight fitting or do they fit like bloomers? Many thanks in advance, I love all the knowledge on the boards.
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Lady Catherine on February 12, 2011, 09:18:48 AM
I see pantalettes as a short version of pantaloons. I have seen them many many ways. pantaloons, at least in Civil war fashion, are a little more stream-lined, but still loose. They do not usually have elastic at the bottom, but are straight down to below the knee. If they are period correct, they are split-crotch. Yay for breeze!!

I usually think of bloomers as loose, gathered at the knee with elastic or drawstring. I may be WAY off, someone please tell me if i am!


Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Joyce "Delfinia DuSwallow" Howard on February 12, 2011, 09:49:14 AM
LC, it was your picture that made me ask the question, your garb is beautiful! So,theres no elastic at the bottom of yours?
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Stasiakatt on February 12, 2011, 11:44:05 AM
If you look the definition up, pantaloons are a men's pants and pantalettes are a female/child's drawstring underwear with ruffles at the ankle.
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Anna Iram on February 12, 2011, 01:56:31 PM
Yeah, I guess if you went with defintions bloomers would be any sort of undergarment, and pantaloons is a type of trouser  but for faire sake I think of bloomers as the ballon shaped leg with elastic cuff..can be short or long..and I think of pantalettes as a mid calf to ankle length...more like a fancy pajama cut with lots of frou frou at the bottom. Oh so very French.
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: operafantomet on February 12, 2011, 05:05:22 PM
Yes, as Stasiakatt wrote, the pantalette is the "small" version of pantaloons.

Usually when you bump into the suffix "-ette" in a noun, name or adjective, it means that it's a smaller version of the original word. One example is the French name "Annette", which means "Little Anne", or "Jeannette" meaning "Little Jeanne". Or "cigarette", which is a small cigar. 
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Lady Catherine on February 12, 2011, 06:06:10 PM
wpah! thank you operafan! That is generally what i picture using the -ette suffix!  I just use it to term mine as small!

Lady joyce Ann!! thank you sooo much!  Actually, I do have elastic at the botttom of mine, to prevent the "Bottom" from showing!

Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Anna Iram on February 13, 2011, 08:57:59 AM
Lady Joyce Ann, just because I want to know everything there is to know about a subject... ;D I did a little more reading on the various terms. I don't have the links just now, but it does seem to be a very involved topic. I found it fascinating anyway. Bloomers seems to have arisen from a type of gown and legging that was very volumnous, and first worn by Mrs. Bloomer and pantalettes were actually a leg covering worn over and buttoned to your drawers,and meant to be seen as a part of your outerwear, though possibly they were worn singly as drawers themselves. Drawers being the accepted term for undies because you drew them on.

*edited* here's a couple of links:
http://www.fashion-era.com/rational_dress.htm
http://howtodresslikeapioneer.blogspot.com/2010/04/are-they-pantaloons-pantalettes-drawers.html

Anyway...thought you might find that as interesting as I.

Catherine, do you have a picture.of your pantalettes? I'd love to see what you've made.
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Joyce "Delfinia DuSwallow" Howard on February 13, 2011, 02:35:08 PM
Thank you Anna,very interesting! I also would love to see a picture of LC standing in her garb. The outfit has really caught my eye!
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Lady Catherine on February 13, 2011, 03:11:47 PM
i will fish one out, but I am at my dad's this evening, and do not have it readily avaiable...

I will try this to see if you all can access my fb pictuires, i think i have them open to the public.

ahhh, here is without the overskirt so you can see better:  http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1588707654&aid=14734#!/photo.php?fbid=1548091554076&set=a.1095231232851.14734.1588707654&theater

walkling:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1588707654&aid=14734#!/photo.php?fbid=1521778936277&set=a.1095231232851.14734.1588707654&theater
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Lady Catherine on February 13, 2011, 03:13:11 PM
well, it works, but opens ALL my faire pics! feel free to peruse, but the courtesan look is neear the bottom!
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Adalia Lee on February 14, 2011, 08:19:13 AM
I adore the courtesan look, but I have to know-where did you get your shoes for that look? They are adorable!
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Lady Catherine on February 14, 2011, 05:32:45 PM
actually, goodwill!! never again will i be so lucky!
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Lady Kathleen of Olmsted on February 14, 2011, 11:03:44 PM


Pantaloons and  Bloomers are common names for Under Drawers. Worn from the Elizabethan times, into the 20th Century.
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Joyce "Delfinia DuSwallow" Howard on February 18, 2011, 05:21:08 PM
Thank you all,I have enjoyed all the input. Now for the pantalettes.
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: isabelladangelo on March 02, 2011, 05:52:47 AM
Quote from: Lady Kathleen of Olmsted on February 14, 2011, 11:03:44 PM


Pantaloons and  Bloomers are common names for Under Drawers. Worn from the Elizabethan times, into the 20th Century.

Actually, worn before that.  (http://www.freewebs.com/isabelladangelo/xmilkmai.jpg)

The milkmaid looks to be wearing pants of some sort beneath her gown.  There is also an archeological dig being conducted in Germany right now that has had some very interesting find in terms of both men and women's underwear from the 15th c.  Those cute bikini bottoms with the ties at the sides?  Yeah, they had that for undies.   
Title: Re: Pantaloons OR Pantalettes
Post by: Anna Iram on March 02, 2011, 08:27:57 AM
Aka Lady Guinevere's Secret.  :D... a little morning udies humor...

Seriously though...just when I think I know about something, I come here and learn so much more.  :)