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Title: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 08, 2008, 09:53:02 AM
I just wanted to say "hello" to all my forum friends, from here in the Outremer. Photos of the "Beausant World Combat Tour" will be posted on my MYSPACE site.

Take care all.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on May 08, 2008, 10:39:52 AM
Deus Vult!!!

We're back, and ready to continue enlightening the world!

Pax Vobiscum!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 08, 2008, 11:38:14 AM
I'm here to help  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 08, 2008, 12:54:57 PM
Frere Mikael...I believe the last we heard you were looking for warriors to assist in battling vampires seeking the Holy Grail?  I would, of course, be prepared to combat any undead creatures wishing to defile an ancient artifact of divine feminine fertility. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on May 08, 2008, 10:06:24 PM
Ah, milady, I see that our Order's ruse has ensnared thee, as well. Aye, to deflect interest from treasure hunters from searching for the chalice of our Lord, the blessed cup of the Last Supper, we invented a story of misdirection, of smoke and mirrors. But judge not yourself too harshly for failing to identify this false trail. It has ensnared many a learned individual, including the much lauded Lord Thomas Hanks.   :P

But as to this new battle of the Holy vs. the Unholy, thy swordarm would be most welcome at our side...

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117985123.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 09, 2008, 01:13:05 PM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on May 08, 2008, 10:06:24 PM
Ah, milady, I see that our Order's ruse has ensnared thee

ensnare me? what if i'm too cleaver for your snares and outwit ya?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on May 09, 2008, 04:02:56 PM
Outwit the Illuminati...er, I mean...outwit the Knight's Templar? Surely you jest, my lady.   :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 09, 2008, 07:19:18 PM
Rofl I am a woman and quite entalagent if i had to outwit someone i could. and most likely would
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 11, 2008, 10:18:24 AM
Frere Mikael

Is it not a wonderful forum where we all can reside and bear arms together regardless of our various stages of "enlightenment"   ;)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on May 11, 2008, 10:19:13 PM
Aye, indeed it is! As I'm sure Frere Cliff will attest to, we Templars are actually much more accepting of other's than our reputation leads one to believe.   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on May 12, 2008, 07:44:03 AM
Yes that is true some of the Templar Knights were not as friendly.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 12, 2008, 12:15:37 PM
 ;D ;D never would have thought that all my templar friends here are all sooo sweet even ones who wish to burn me at the steak.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 13, 2008, 12:43:53 PM
Do tell Sir Greg....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 14, 2008, 12:28:15 PM
 welcome sir William Marcus
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on May 16, 2008, 11:25:08 AM
Hail and well met, old friends! Hope you are each having a grand morning.

(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z275/Hospitaller_1206/HappinessFairy.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 16, 2008, 12:16:22 PM
 ??? who you calling old?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 16, 2008, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on May 16, 2008, 09:21:55 PM




(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/TemplarKnightCrusadersinBattle-1.jpg)

thats not an answer to my question
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 18, 2008, 11:00:46 PM
Greetings from the Outremer. Sorry I don't get here much, but MWR computers lack good band width. I've posted some phoos of my travels on MYSPACE for those who know me.

Frere William, has come on strong in this thread, reestablishing the base line for what I had intended it to be. "Serving God with a Sword" does a good quick over view of the Templars. Keep up the great work Frere William.

Thanks for your kind words Frere Mikael.

As for the Lady de Pond, well....we'll keep the home fires burning for ya! :P

I look forward to getting back over to Kuwait where I'll be able to post more photos.

Frere William, your plate is a hit!! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 19, 2008, 09:24:21 PM
 :D you may be keeping them burning for a while i think I'm running to my sandbox soon.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: DeadBishop on May 20, 2008, 10:56:40 PM
A new look for Deadbishop....



(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e231/piekkola/RF/sir_DB.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on May 21, 2008, 02:53:45 PM
Pretty darn serious look there, DB!! ;)
I like it!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Moostifer on May 27, 2008, 09:42:18 AM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/moostifer/MoeLarryShemp002.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 27, 2008, 03:28:51 PM
 >:( >:(I've been delayed :P now yalll gotta see my posting a while longer
this might be my year but not for what i orginally thought I've been put in waiting
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 03, 2008, 02:11:35 AM
Quote from: Deadbishop on May 20, 2008, 10:56:40 PM
A new look for Deadbishop....



(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e231/piekkola/RF/sir_DB.jpg)


A splendid shot of one of Jerusalem's stalwart defenders. May we hope that we see you around the faires in this attire DB? We do have a gathering planned for the TX event this year.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 03, 2008, 02:12:48 AM
Quote from: Sir Moostifer on May 27, 2008, 09:42:18 AM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/moostifer/MoeLarryShemp002.jpg)

Welcome Sir Moostifer, although it appears you hail from a region of Camelot and not of the Outremer. Good show none the less.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 03, 2008, 09:01:08 AM
Rofl yall look so dashing where did ye park the horses
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on June 09, 2008, 08:51:07 PM
sicillvmmllitvmxpisti: what does it mean?????
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on June 10, 2008, 10:28:17 AM
I'm back!  Well, for the time being. My computer at home went KABLOOEY!, so I'm limited what online time I can scrabble together at work, which isn't much since we're now working on holiday retail ads. I'm going to be getting a new computer in the next couple of months, but in the meantime, I'll just have to jump in when I can.

BTW, for those who I invited to the MySpace group to organize our Texas Crusade...well, I can't access MySpace at work (Hospitaller, I hadn't sent you the invite yet). Really, we just need to nail down a weekend. I'm good for any weekend, and I think the Halloween weekend is the busiest, though our daughters may like the faery weekend.

Meanwhile, I edited and posted a video of me being knighted at the end of the Scarborough Faire season. Be in awe of my mad skills at video editing (there's also some other pictures from the rest of the season)...

http://photobucket.com/texastemplar

Hope everyone's doing well, and ENJOY!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 16, 2008, 08:43:28 PM
Quote from: Sleepy on June 09, 2008, 08:51:07 PM
sicillvmmllitvmxpisti: what does it mean?????

"Seal of the Army of Christ" or "Knights of the order of Christ" if your referring to "sigillum militum xpisti"

It is a latin roman Greek mix up from the days when all were used. Most of it has been lost in translation because it is such a rare mish-mash of the language.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/Templarsign.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 17, 2008, 08:33:54 AM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on June 10, 2008, 10:28:17 AM
Meanwhile, I edited and posted a video of me being knighted at the end of the Scarborough Faire season. Be in awe of my mad skills at video editing (there's also some other pictures from the rest of the season)...
http://photobucket.com/texastemplar

Looks like a fun weekend my brother. Although, I must confess, If the king of Scarborough would to get that oversized codpiece so much as a foot from me its getting chopped off and killed.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/brutal_10.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 17, 2008, 03:54:44 PM
Rofl

ohhhh my goodness i am going to have to check this out at home

rofl are you sure that wasn't a wine flask
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on June 18, 2008, 11:10:24 AM
Hail, one and all. I must appoligized for being MIA the past 4 weeks, but our move from pergatory(Kansas) to God's own sweet country(Texas) has been fraught with many perils and side-roads. This means that we have been - and are still - living out of hotels, and my time to peruse the forums has been very limited. Powers-that-be willing, I will know for sure by the first of next week if we are landing in Houston or D/FW, although Houston is looking the more promising at the moment. Gawd, I hate dealing with upper management making up their minds on hiring!! "Hurry up and wait" seems to be the catch-word of the day. :D

I trust Frere Cliff is fairing well in Outremer. Our thoughts are always with the folks in that land.

Frere Mikael - best of luck on the new computer. I await the invite for the 'doins' at TRF.

To Sir William, the fair Ladies, and all the rest of the fun and gracious folks - adieu and all the best, until we meet again.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 18, 2008, 12:26:10 PM
glad to see you again Hospitaller. i hate hurry up and wait
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on June 23, 2008, 09:55:05 AM
And allow me to jump in real quick and check in! Having faire withdrawals right now, and assessing what I can upgrade before TRF. I have a lock on my new computer, just juggling some finances before I make the leap, so I'll still be MIA off and on for just a little bit more.

Brother Hospitaller, when I landed my current job, I interviewed in March, and started work in November of that same year. So I feel your pain in regards to upper management not being able to make a decision!   :P

We just need to decide on a date for TRF. I was gonna let those who had a longer travel throw out their preferences, though I think my wife is wanting to hit the last weekend, which is a three day weekend for the faire.  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on June 23, 2008, 03:15:29 PM
So, last week, there I was...on vacation, hanging out at the lake, and I thought it would be a good idea to take a snapshot of myself having fun and send it to my co-workers and taunt them with how much fun I was having while they were still at work.  This is one of a dozen photoshopped images I got back the next day...

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll51/TexasTemplar/Image133.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 24, 2008, 09:27:39 AM
Hey, wait a minute!..I think I know those guys in the background!


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: VIII on June 24, 2008, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on June 17, 2008, 08:33:54 AMIf the king of Scarborough would to get that oversized codpiece so much as a foot from me its getting chopped off and killed.
Thou cans't try, sirrah, if thou darest!  The Queen's plaything is NOT meant for thee, nor for any who are faint of heart or frail of spirit or weak of constitution. 8)

BTW: My codpiece is tame by comparison to the real ones of the period!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on June 24, 2008, 10:21:36 PM
Your Majesty, I beg pardon for my brother as, being a member of a chaste order such as ours, and having spent most of his time in Outremer, Good Brother William is unaccustomed to the sight of His Majesty's...er...majesty!  Thou wouldst be most welcome should Your Majesty ever wish to join us on Crusade.  :)

(there go my recruiting efforts in Merry Old England!)  :P

-Sir Mikael of Aragon
Scarborough Royal Guard
Precepteur, Commandery of Monzon
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 25, 2008, 04:21:06 AM
Quote from: VIII on June 24, 2008, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on June 17, 2008, 08:33:54 AMIf the king of Scarborough would to get that oversized codpiece so much as a foot from me its getting chopped off and killed.
Thou cans't try, sirrah, if thou darest!  The Queen's plaything is NOT meant for thee, nor for any who are faint of heart or frail of spirit or weak of constitution. 8)

BTW: My codpiece is tame by comparison to the real ones of the period!


ROFLMAO!!! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/24.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icn___clap.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/notworthy.gif)

I just knew that would flush his majesty out!  Very good M'Lord! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/occasion14.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 25, 2008, 08:31:07 AM
Rofl sometimes i wonder about yall.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 25, 2008, 11:42:06 AM
Not sure if everyone knows. I have been informed that frere Cliff will be departing from the Outremer and returning to the states after this week.....Deus Vult!! 

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/warrior_monk_small.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on June 25, 2008, 01:00:57 PM
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!

Looks like his work is done!   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 25, 2008, 09:40:13 PM
hmmm looks like he does good work
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 26, 2008, 02:45:26 PM
On the contrary, he does great work m'lady

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/jitcrunchaspx-1-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 01, 2008, 02:26:52 PM
My messengers tell me that Templar has arrived safely back in his homelands.  Proper feastings and celebrations are in order.  Could we possibly set aside the austere Latin Rules to welcome Frere Cliff home?
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 01, 2008, 08:58:40 PM
Yeaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaa welcome home
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 02, 2008, 08:54:41 AM
Quote from: femme falchion on July 01, 2008, 02:26:52 PM
Could we possibly set aside the austere Latin Rules to welcome Frere Cliff home?

This request has been presented and was granted M'Lady ~ HUZZAH!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 02, 2008, 09:20:31 AM
I thank you all for your thoughts. It is true, I am back from the Crusade. I am at work currently, filling out the appropriate paperwork that goes with such a return. It will take me a bit to get back in the swing of things on these forums. MYSPACE isn't allowed here at the office, and I had become dependent on it while over there.

I hope you are all well, and have a great week. Frere William....many thanks for that photo! It had me rolling for some time. Sister of Battle FF, thanks for your posts as well, and thanks for your unseen efforts during this past trial.

Lady de Pond..................I have returned...................heeeheeee............ :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on July 02, 2008, 10:05:11 AM
Welcome Home Warrior Monk.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 02, 2008, 12:56:46 PM
It is of no surprise that Brother Cliff is already back at work managing the financial infrastructure of the Order.

Brother William...I always suspected a much greater behind the scenes influence!  Goddess bless you.

What an unprecedented abatement of stringency. 

* with a preternatural swiftness and clanking of metal, FF leaves to secure casks of mead, barrel's of ale and good musicians *
;D

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 02, 2008, 03:25:03 PM
welcome home my friend glad you made it back safely
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 03, 2008, 08:11:17 AM
God has smiled upon us now that you have returned safely home my brother. Good rest as it will be needed, and we shall be here and waiting upon your awakening.


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 03, 2008, 11:51:44 AM
Here's wishing all the members of this thread a safe and happy weekend.

I realize that for most, it's Independence Day, but take time to remember the Warriors of 1187:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hattin

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 04, 2008, 10:49:46 AM
"Lord God, our war is over! We are nothing but dead men-and the Kingdom has come to an end."

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Saladin's Mercy

After the battle of  Hattin the christian leaders were then rounded up and taken to Saladin's camp. The Moslem leader had erected a tent for this special purpose. The common soldiers were sold into slavery. It is said that one Saracen had so many slaves he was willing to trade one for a pair of shoes. As for the Templars, Saladin spared none except for their Grand Master, Gerard de Ridefort. Each Templar and Hospitaller was forced to his knees while Moslem soldiers beheaded them. None complained and each met his death with utter silence and humility, for such was the way of the order. Many other soldiers wishing death rather than a life of slavery in the service of infidels rushed forth claiming to be Templars.

In Saladin's tent he spared the Barons by setting a high ransom on all of them. King Guy of Jerusalem parched of thirst and riddled with fear lied on the ground of the tent when Saladin offered him a bowl of water. Guy began drinking the water quenching his dryness. Guy offered the water to Reynald who eyed the water, also being of thirst. Saladin immediately arose knocking the bowl and its contents from the Prince of Antioch's hands. Moslem hospitality dictated that, if a man ate or drank with you his life was safe in your hands. This seemed to be King Guys salvation and Reynald's death sentence.

Reynald upset at Saladin's behavior defamed the Islamic prophet Mahomet, at which point Saladin drew his sword and in one blow sliced off Reynald's arm. Almost before the limb could touch the tent floor, a soldier entered and decapitated Reynald. At this point Saladin turned to King Guy of Jerusalem and said, "Have no fear. it is not the custom of kings to kill kings." King Guy was released the following year from a prison in Nablus a broken man, but perhaps not as broken as the crusaders and Templars who lost the Battle of Hattin.


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 04, 2008, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 04, 2008, 10:49:46 AM
"Lord God, our war is over! We are nothing but dead men-and the Kingdom has come to an end."

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templari072-1.jpg)




Saladin's Mercy

Each Templar and Hospitaller was forced to his knees while Moslem soldiers beheaded them. None complained and each met his death with utter silence and humility, for such was the way of the order. Many other soldiers wishing death rather than a life of slavery in the service of infidels rushed forth claiming to be Templars.



Great job Frere William! This brings to the point exactly what I wanted folks to be aware of...it hasn't changed...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 05, 2008, 04:31:14 PM
....and probably never will

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 06, 2008, 07:27:28 AM
Quote from: Brother Gregory on July 02, 2008, 10:05:11 AM
Welcome Home Warrior Monk.

My thanks Brother Gregory. Might I ask if you are our Brother of the Hospital from a previous forum venue?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on July 06, 2008, 01:18:41 PM
Warrior Monk I don't think I am the one. I used to go by my name on the old Renaissance Festival Board. Now that I've been asked to become part of a local Renaissance group in my home town and play the character of a monk or friar and everyone thought I should go by the name of Brother Gregory since my name is Gregory Kenkel, I changed my user id here to match my character name.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 07, 2008, 09:49:43 AM
And the flag was still there...

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0706Image0014.jpg)

Finally installed the new yard staff on the fortress grounds, and in time for this past weekends festivities
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 07, 2008, 10:17:59 AM
Gramercy Good Knights for sharing your Horns of Hattin. 

The weekend past I spent time meditating on my own independences (as well as celebrating them of course) and recognize the sacrifices bygone and present that allow me to dwell in my own fortress grove.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 07, 2008, 10:18:55 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 07, 2008, 09:49:43 AM
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O! say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming.
Whose broad stripes and bright cross through the perilous fight,
O'er the sands we watched were so gallantly streaming.
And the relentless sun's red glare, the arrows filling the air,
Gave proof through the night that our Beausant was still there.
Oh, say does that cross covered banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the cross covered banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the Saracen and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the cross covered banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just and not just a story,
And this be our motto: ' Not To Us O Lord Not To Us But To Your Name Give Glory.'
And the cross covered banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 07, 2008, 10:24:09 AM
 OMG my brother...That was beautiful!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 07, 2008, 10:26:56 AM
I have my plagiaristic moments..... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 07, 2008, 12:52:36 PM
By the Lady Templar, the Muses are with you.  Are these your words? (Hidden bardic talents)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 07, 2008, 01:02:36 PM
No, those are the actual frame work of the Star Spangled Banner, with the appropriate changes made for historical accuracy. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 07, 2008, 01:09:42 PM
yes, I recognized the anatomy of the verse (just wanted to reassure you...unless than was a passive jab)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 07, 2008, 08:06:09 PM
Rofl geeeee wizzzz monks plagerizing what will happen next?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 08, 2008, 06:41:03 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 07, 2008, 08:06:09 PM
Rofl geeeee wizzzz monks plagerizing what will happen next?


I prefer to think of it as Theologically Divine Priviledge.  Why struggle on something that might not sound right, when you can use something that works already with a minor modification here or there. Plus it's a nice blurring of the line between church and the states.....lol! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 08, 2008, 09:45:08 AM
 ;DI've been know to "edit" a song or two before
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 09, 2008, 03:58:08 AM
Why..that sounds like a confession??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 09, 2008, 08:07:50 AM
 :o who where Confess? what?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 09, 2008, 09:04:50 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 09, 2008, 03:58:08 AM
Why..that sounds like a confession??

Well done Brother! One always loves a good confession!  ;)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 09, 2008, 09:22:16 AM
Allow me to add a little color to this scenario as 'Buckaroo Christina' edges closer to redemption. ;)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 09, 2008, 09:56:03 AM
 :P i confess to no man
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 09, 2008, 10:03:44 AM
Lady Christina

thankfully the Goddess does not require confessions but she is all around you should you need a good confessional palaver  ;) :D


(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Goddess/FemaleWarrior043.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on July 09, 2008, 10:42:55 AM
Loved the excellent pictures. I totally enjoyed the one with the person on the sticks about to die and the female knight in the post from Femme Falchion.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 09, 2008, 11:47:03 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/untitled-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 09, 2008, 12:11:30 PM
Templar- I do believe you have fallen under a powerful spell of the Princess....I have identified it as "polymorph father"

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: BLAKDUKE on July 09, 2008, 12:11:53 PM
Does anyone know if THE TEMPLAR has returned.  Right after his deployment the old site crashed and I have not heard from my friend for a while.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 09, 2008, 12:23:59 PM
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on July 09, 2008, 12:11:53 PM
Does anyone know if THE TEMPLAR has returned.  Right after his deployment the old site crashed and I have not heard from my friend for a while.

Great King, It is I! Yes, I did make it back early, the contract was closed early, so I spent only 2 months in the Outremer.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 09, 2008, 12:26:16 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 09, 2008, 12:11:30 PM
Templar- I do believe you have fallen under a powerful spell of the Princess....I have identified it as "polymorph father"

Believe it or not M'lady, she doesn't watch it as much as my actions suggest. I think I watch SB more than she does!  ;) Just couldn't resist, and wanted folks to know I don't take myself seriously all the time...... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 09, 2008, 12:40:25 PM


Take notice of thee beauuuuuutiful beauseant Sir Spongy is displaying, truly a sight to behold!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 09, 2008, 12:49:09 PM
Quote from: Brother Gregory on July 09, 2008, 10:42:55 AM
Loved the excellent pictures. I totally enjoyed the one with the person on the sticks about to die

Not to die my brother, but to be cleansed
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 09, 2008, 01:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 09, 2008, 12:49:09 PM
Not to die my brother, but to be cleansed

Absolutely wonderfully played!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 09, 2008, 01:09:00 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 09, 2008, 12:26:16 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 09, 2008, 12:11:30 PM
Templar- I do believe you have fallen under a powerful spell of the Princess....I have identified it as "polymorph father"

Believe it or not M'lady, she doesn't watch it as much as my actions suggest. I think I watch SB more than she does!  ;) Just couldn't resist, and wanted folks to know I don't take myself seriously all the time...... :P
why does sb live in a wrotten pineapple
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 09, 2008, 01:14:38 PM
Because he seeks the life of a Knight of the Temple, and doesn't require the plush and lavish luxuries of the secular world. You can't take it with you when you go...... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 09, 2008, 01:32:48 PM
being unfamiliar with the hygenic rites of the Templars....is not a sponge helpful with cleansing?  Perhaps you should take it with you.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 09, 2008, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 09, 2008, 01:14:38 PM
Because he seeks the life of a Knight of the Temple, and doesn't require the plush and lavish luxuries of the secular world. You can't take it with you when you go...... :P


but wouldn't the wrotten fruit fall down on him he could have shell it's more sturdy
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 09, 2008, 01:57:35 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 09, 2008, 01:32:48 PM
being unfamiliar with the hygenic rites of the Templars....is not a sponge helpful with cleansing?  Perhaps you should take it with you.

You got me there! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 09, 2008, 09:30:42 PM
is that a burn the sponge thing since yall think cleansing is burning
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 10, 2008, 08:32:14 AM
respected forum companions....

I follow my orders to travel north in a magical winged beast.  There I will stand next to my sister at her handfasting ceremony. (the last of us to take the delicious fall  ;)).  Further north still, my young sires and Lord will join me in retreat in the mountains.  We return after the full moon. 

I have enjoyed our discourse as of late and will speak with all again after my adventure.

FF
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 10, 2008, 10:00:15 AM
Congrats to your sister m'lady. Enjoy yourself and one shall anticipate your safe return following the full moon.

Pax vobiscum domina virago.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 10, 2008, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 10, 2008, 08:32:14 AM
respected forum companions....

I follow my orders to travel north in a magical winged beast.  There I will stand next to my sister at her handfasting ceremony. (the last of us to take the delicious fall  ;)).  Further north still, my young sires and Lord will join me in retreat in the mountains.  We return after the full moon. 

I have enjoyed our discourse as of late and will speak with all again after my adventure.

FF
have a safe trip ff
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 10, 2008, 10:43:46 AM
Best wishes and stay safe!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 10, 2008, 10:56:09 AM
watch out for templars on the lose
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 10, 2008, 11:58:05 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 10, 2008, 10:56:09 AM
watch out for templars on the lose

The Wee Ones of her clan are already being groomed to do their part and join other "gifted" ones of their ilk:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/GARF2008010.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: BLAKDUKE on July 10, 2008, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 10, 2008, 10:43:46 AM
Best wishes and stay safe!  ;D

So my friend how long will you be home this time.  Mayhap we will have some time to gather at my house and quaff a few
brews and maybe discuss various things.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 11, 2008, 07:51:54 AM
My latest addition to my library, and defiantly a must for the enthusiast. (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/grinning-smiley-004.gif)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/41NHY1C1JHL_SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 11, 2008, 09:06:35 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 11, 2008, 07:51:54 AM
My latest addition to my library, and defiantly a must for the enthusiast. (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/grinning-smiley-004.gif)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/41NHY1C1JHL_SS500_.jpg)

need to have discloseure that says watch out they burn
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 12, 2008, 01:25:14 PM
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on July 10, 2008, 01:06:04 PM
So my friend how long will you be home this time.  Mayhap we will have some time to gather at my house and quaff a few
brews and maybe discuss various things.

I am home for a while I hope. Only stateside commitments on the calender now. A good plan, but this weekend is not too good for me. I have household "honey-do" list items to help with.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 12, 2008, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 11, 2008, 07:51:54 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/41NHY1C1JHL_SS500_.jpg)

A great addition, I was very pleased when I got mine, and read it on one of my deployments to Yakima. A must for "Frere Folk" like us!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 12, 2008, 03:55:50 PM
There's something to be said for small town pride!
Check out the water tower!!! ;)

http://www.bargaintraveleurope.com/07/France_Hughes_de_Payns_Museum_Champagne.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 07:04:40 AM

Indeed they are my brother.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 07:10:38 AM
Quote

I am home for a while I hope. Only stateside commitments on the calender now. A good plan, but this weekend is not too good for me. I have household "honey-do" list items to help with.

With you absent from your fortress for several months I can only image that you probably have as many "honey-do's" as the temple has rules!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 07:41:47 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 12, 2008, 03:55:50 PM
There's something to be said for small town pride!
Check out the water tower!!! ;)

http://www.bargaintraveleurope.com/07/France_Hughes_de_Payns_Museum_Champagne.htm

FRIGGIN AWESOME!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2008, 08:08:29 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 07:04:40 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0009.jpg)

Awesome! Just plain awesome!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on July 14, 2008, 08:13:14 AM
Excllent group of young knight there if I say so!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2008, 08:41:03 AM
On an unrelated note: The Swedish have released a Region 2 DVD of Arn the Knight Templar, but according to their site administrator, they have no information about a release for the USA. :'(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 09:06:26 AM
Thank you brothers. It was an incredible weekend as we made our rounds at "Kentuckys Higland Renaissance Festival."

We set a base camp, and we could easily be located by the flying of the standards.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0005.jpg)

Security was tight around camp....

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0006.jpg)

"Eeeeeeaaaaaaaasy now! "Its alright, stand down my brother and let them enter"

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0008.jpg)

Joseph Von Lamar officially took the vows and was sworn in to the order.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0017.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0020.jpg)

Then we patrolled the grounds drinking, offering help & protection to the good pilgrims from the enemies of the true god.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0010-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/rel-ohs.gif)





Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 14, 2008, 08:41:03 AM
On an unrelated note: The Swedish have released a Region 2 DVD of Arn the Knight Templar, but according to their site administrator, they have no information about a release for the USA. :'(

Thank you my brother, we was actually discussing that exact same subject yesterday
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2008, 09:27:08 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 09:06:26 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0005.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0010-1.jpg)


I love these pics!!!!

Where did you get your pole caps at?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 10:48:19 AM
Hand forged by the hands of god?!?  Actually, they came from an advertising company here in Indy my brother. I will PM you some detailed info.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2008, 11:06:06 AM
Thanks for the pm on the location!

Has Frere Joseph Von Lamar been introduced to these forums?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 11:26:44 AM
Your most welcome. As for Sir Joseph, he currently is a lurker and not much of a poster. However, he may be coming around as I continue to taunt & torment him. Besides, I told him "Its gods will!"

Time will tell

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0014-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2008, 11:37:48 AM
They say, "if you taunt them, they will come....." He will be welcome for sure. Frere Mikael seems to have dropped off into the abyss that is Iberia as of late........... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: BLAKDUKE on July 14, 2008, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 12, 2008, 01:25:14 PM
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on July 10, 2008, 01:06:04 PM
So my friend how long will you be home this time.  Mayhap we will have some time to gather at my house and quaff a few
brews and maybe discuss various things.

I am home for a while I hope. Only stateside commitments on the calender now. A good plan, but this weekend is not too good for me. I have household "honey-do" list items to help with.

Tis well indeed.  I am familiar with the honey-do list, even royalty is not immune from the wishes of "SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED".
In any event, thou hast the necessary info to communicate with me, just let me know and be aware that the required liquid refresement is always cold and ready.  With enough lead heads up time various and sundry morsels to eat will be available as well.

See ya when we see ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Huzzah!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 14, 2008, 11:37:48 AM
Frere Mikael seems to have dropped off into the abyss that is Iberia as of late........... ;)

I do believe he was & is experiencing PC problems.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2008, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 11:48:54 AM
I do believe he was & is experiencing PC problems.

Post Crusade?  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2008, 11:51:49 AM
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on July 14, 2008, 11:38:15 AM
Tis well indeed.  I am familiar with the honey-do list, even royalty is not immune from the wishes of "SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED".
In any event, thou hast the necessary info to communicate with me, just let me know and be aware that the required liquid refresement is always cold and ready.  With enough lead heads up time various and sundry morsels to eat will be available as well.

See ya when we see ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Huzzah!!!!!!!!

Thank you great King, and will do... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 14, 2008, 01:01:31 PM
alright guys i don't know if yall watch Robin Hood on BBC america but i do know that in the season finally which is like 2-3 more episodes that they have a Templar Knight on it.  ;D made the mistake of watching part of the show i missed on youtube and found out more than i wanted to know
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2008, 01:12:34 PM
I have the first season of BBC America's Robin Hood. Are you talking about Season two, which is due out in stores on the 29th of this month? If not, the old "Robin of Sherwood" had Seven Poor Knights from Acre (1984), where a thief stole the Flag staff Order icon and got Robin and his merry band hunted by the Order, but in the end, the TV series director made the Templars look like fools..... >:( :(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 14, 2008, 11:50:57 AM
Post Crusade?

Yes! Absolutely correcto-elmundo!

You know how it is brother, you come home from a crusade, things are boring, no adventure, no saracens to whack, don't feel like talking to anybody, its just flat-out depressing!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 02:40:54 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 14, 2008, 11:37:48 AM
They say, "if you taunt them, they will come....." He will be welcome for sure.

He will. I got him this far...

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0018-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 14, 2008, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 14, 2008, 01:12:34 PM
I have the first season of BBC America's Robin Hood. Are you talking about Season two, which is due out in stores on the 29th of this month? If not, the old "Robin of Sherwood" had Seven Poor Knights from Acre (1984), where a thief stole the Flag staff Order icon and got Robin and his merry band hunted by the Order, but in the end, the TV series director made the Templars look like fools..... >:( :(

Season two !!!!!! I'm only tivoing the current season i need to get season one on my ipod but i haven't done so yet.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2008, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 02:40:54 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0018-1.jpg)

Is this Frere Rene's blade from Soldier of God?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2008, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 14, 2008, 02:42:24 PM
Season two !!!!!! I'm only tivoing the current season i need to get season one on my ipod but i haven't done so yet.

What episode?

You must be speaking of this lad:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/RHTplr.jpg)

We need to know an episode number....... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 14, 2008, 03:07:36 PM
Is this Frere Rene's blade from Soldier of God?

Shhhhhhhhhh.....indeed it is
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 14, 2008, 08:49:06 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 14, 2008, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 14, 2008, 02:42:24 PM
Season two !!!!!! I'm only tivoing the current season i need to get season one on my ipod but i haven't done so yet.

What episode?

You must be speaking of this lad:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/RHTplr.jpg)

We need to know an episode number....... ;)

that should be episode 13 if i'm correct in keeping track of the season.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 15, 2008, 06:46:54 AM
The BBC America's website devoted to this show has no plot info for episode 12 or 13! :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 15, 2008, 08:35:17 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2008, 04:16:13 PM
Shhhhhhhhhh.....indeed it is

Your secret is safe with me...... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 15, 2008, 08:44:15 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 15, 2008, 06:46:54 AM
The BBC America's website devoted to this show has no plot info for episode 12 or 13! :o
yeah bbc america doesn't list the plot for the show until it airs but go to youtube and search robin hood season two and you can see peaces of episode 13 and the templar knight
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 15, 2008, 08:49:05 AM
Can't do it here, but will do it when I get home. Thanx. :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 15, 2008, 09:06:58 AM
BTW, added 2 new books to the collection yesterday:

1. Essential Histories; The Crusades : David Nicolle

2. Battles of the Medieval World 1000-1500, From Hastings to Constantinople: Devries, Dickie, Dougherty, Jestice, Jorgensen, and Pavkovic

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 15, 2008, 09:12:13 AM
Heard this song, changed just two words, and here's what happened:

The Chosen Ones , Artist(Band):Dream Evil


We are the chosen ones, we sacrifice our blood
We kill for honor
We are the holy ones our armor stained with blood
We killed the Saracen
In glory we return, our destination's end
We slayed the Saracen!
No more living in fear it's time to raise our king.
We made it happen we're the chosen ones!

We are the chosen ones, we sacrifice our blood
We kill for honor
We are the holy ones our armor stained with blood
We killed the Saracen
We're the chosen ones!

Riding through thunder and lighting once again
We slayed the Infidel we brought an end
Now we have left the kingdom of the damned
Heroes of the day, legends forever!

We are the chose ones, we sacrifice our blood
We kill for honor
We are the holy ones our armor stained with blood
We killed the Saracen
We're the chosen ones!

It seems to me like a journey without end
So many years, too many battles
We've finally arrived, now we're standing at the gates
Heroes of the day, legends forever

In glory we return, our destination's end
We slayed the Saracen
No more living in fear it's time to raise our king
We made it happen we're the chosen ones!

We are the chosen ones, we sacrifice our blood
We kill for honor
We are the holy ones our armor stained with blood
We killed the Saracen
In glory we return, our destination's end
We slayed the Saracen
No more living in fear it's time to raise our king
We made it happen we're the chosen ones!

We are the chose ones, we sacrifice our blood
We kill for honor
We are the holy ones our armor stained with blood
We killed the Saracen
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 15, 2008, 10:56:53 AM
Dream Evil?? Aren't they up for a Grammy  ;)

See brothers & sisters what has happened to this song??? With the alteration of two words it has transformed from an evil song written by the hands of a demon into a song of good representing our holiest of warriors. It is truly a triumph of good over evil...Deus Vult!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/03satan.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 15, 2008, 11:14:35 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 15, 2008, 10:56:53 AM
See brothers & sisters what has happened to this song??? With the alteration of two words it has transformed from an evil song written by the hands of a demon into a song of good representing our holiest of warriors. It is truly a triumph of good over evil...Deus Vult!


I can't stop laughing...... :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 15, 2008, 11:39:39 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 15, 2008, 10:56:53 AM

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/03satan.jpg)
I so almost got that as a tatoo
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 15, 2008, 02:00:03 PM
Not touching this one............ :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 15, 2008, 02:34:37 PM
i decided not to though infact God said he's got something better so I'm waiting for something better
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 15, 2008, 06:33:46 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 15, 2008, 08:44:15 AM
go to youtube and search robin hood season two and you can see peaces of episode 13 and the templar knight

I did as you suggested, and OMG! They show Steven Waddington playing King Richard, so I can only assume that he filmed this about the time they did the Heroes and Villians documentary, where he plays the same role. Didn't see much of the "Templars" or "Crusaders" but from the clip, I gather they come off over bearing and cause folks not to like them.  ;)

The shocker of course is the loss of a main character and how it happens. I for one am for that charcter's reinstatement, since I know they're filming a thrid season!!! >:(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 15, 2008, 08:21:44 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 15, 2008, 06:33:46 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 15, 2008, 08:44:15 AM
go to youtube and search robin hood season two and you can see peaces of episode 13 and the templar knight

I did as you suggested, and OMG! They show Steven Waddington playing King Richard, so I can only assume that he filmed this about the time they did the Heroes and Villians documentary, where he plays the same role. Didn't see much of the "Templars" or "Crusaders" but from the clip, I gather they come off over bearing and cause folks not to like them.  ;)

The shocker of course is the loss of a main character and how it happens. I for one am for that charcter's reinstatement, since I know they're filming a thrid season!!! >:(
I'm with you it better be either a dream or a misdirection missing charaters next season won't be good and will be my last season >:(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 15, 2008, 09:47:55 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/igniteknighttemplar.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/ignitetuetknight.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 16, 2008, 05:58:04 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 15, 2008, 09:47:55 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/igniteknighttemplar.jpg)

I am the proud owner of this guy, although I swapped his sword and belt for that of the Crusades II knight for which you haven't posted a picture. It was less ornate and leather in color with a simple sword befitting a Templar.

Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 15, 2008, 09:47:55 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/ignitetuetknight.jpg)

My daughter has this one, to which she affectionately calls "Hermann", and the previously mentioned Crusades II knight, because they're more manly than Ken dolls, and Barbies need "real" men!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 16, 2008, 07:25:24 AM
This is the Crusade-II knight my daughter has:

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/1-6-Ignite-Third-Crusade-II-Time-Silhouette-Ltd-Ed_W0QQitemZ250164691682QQihZ015QQcategoryZ348QQcmdZViewItem

And we can't forget this Brother:

http://www.classicactionfigures.com/Reviews/Ignite_Crusade3.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 16, 2008, 08:17:24 AM

[/quote]

My daughter has this one, to which she affectionately calls "Hermann", and the previously mentioned Crusades II knight, because they're more manly than Ken dolls, and Barbies need "real" men!
[/quote]

Rofl you could get her a robin hood action figure i ran across him the other day while i was looking for Robin hood dvd

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 16, 2008, 08:26:29 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 16, 2008, 08:17:24 AM
Rofl you could get her a robin hood action figure i ran across him the other day while i was looking for Robin hood dvd

M'lady, maybe the print I used was too small, but refer to:

Barbies need "real" men!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 16, 2008, 08:47:08 AM
I like the Hospitaller one. 

QuoteI swapped his sword and belt for that of the Crusades II knight for which you haven't posted a picture. It was less ornate and leather in color with a simple sword befitting a Templar.

Damn it! I just went and spray painted my scabbard blue! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/BangHead.gif)

Speaking of scabbards, have you feasted your eyes on the ARN scabbard and matching dagger???

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/arn-scabbard-suite-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/arn-scabbard-suite-detail.jpg)

Excuse me...your salivating all over your surcoat
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 16, 2008, 08:50:09 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 16, 2008, 08:26:29 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 16, 2008, 08:17:24 AM
Rofl you could get her a robin hood action figure i ran across him the other day while i was looking for Robin hood dvd

M'lady, maybe the print I used was too small, but refer to:

Barbies need "real" men!
ROFL

Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 16, 2008, 08:47:08 AM
I like the Hospitaller one. 

QuoteI swapped his sword and belt for that of the Crusades II knight for which you haven't posted a picture. It was less ornate and leather in color with a simple sword befitting a Templar.

Damn it! I just spray painted my scabbard blue! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/BangHead.gif)

Speaking of scabbards, have you feasted your eyes on the ARN scabbard and matching daggar???

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/arn-scabbard-suite-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/arn-scabbard-suite-detail.jpg)

Excuse me...your salivating all over your surcoat

cool sword
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 16, 2008, 08:58:28 AM
Forgot, here is a closer look at the daggers

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/arn-scabbard-suite-detail-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 16, 2008, 09:05:17 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 16, 2008, 08:58:28 AM
Forgot, here is a closer look at the daggers

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/arn-scabbard-suite-detail-2.jpg)
cool but they won't fit in my boot
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 16, 2008, 09:18:18 AM
And have you seen the price tag?  :o  888.00 for sword and over 1k for the scabbard! :-\

Plus they have a special combo deal for scabbard and dagger setup..... :-\
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 16, 2008, 09:35:48 AM
Wonder if they finance?  I was thinking about trading them my truck or maybe taking out a second mortgage.

You know, it would be nice if they manufactured a more consumer friendly set kinda like in the price range of the KoH collection especially for all the poor knights of the temple out there amongst


Well you gotta excuse me... I' m going to head down to the local convenient mart and get some scratch offs! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/smiley_abog.gif)

Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 16, 2008, 09:48:26 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 16, 2008, 09:18:18 AM
And have you seen the price tag?  :o  888.00 for sword and over 1k for the scabbard! :-\

Plus they have a special combo deal for scabbard and dagger setup..... :-\

:o :o :o :o jumpin josephat!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 16, 2008, 10:53:06 AM
You can say that again ASHley! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/bestwhistle.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 16, 2008, 11:10:17 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 16, 2008, 10:53:06 AM
You can say that again ASHley! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/bestwhistle.gif)

who you calling Ashley?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 16, 2008, 01:01:08 PM
Well that apparently didn't "spark" any short term memories....... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 16, 2008, 08:50:38 PM
 :P i don't smell like smoke
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 16, 2008, 09:21:55 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 16, 2008, 08:50:38 PM
:P i don't smell like smoke




Lady de Pond: I'm not a witch I'm not a witch!

Warrior Monk: But you are dressed as one

Lady de Pond: *They* dressed me up like this!

Readers of the thread: We didn't! We didn't...

Lady de Pond: And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.

Warrior Monk: [lifts up her false nose] Well?

Frere Brother of the thread 1: Well, we did do the nose.

Warrior Monk: The nose?

Frere Brother of the thread 1: And the hat, but she is a witch!

Readers of the thread: Yeah! Burn her! Burn her!

Warrior Monk: Did you dress her up like this?

Frere Brother of the thread 1: No!

Frere Brother of the thread 3, Frere Brother of the thread 2: No!

Frere Brother of the thread 3: No!

Frere Brother of the thread 1: No!

Frere Brother of the thread 3, Frere Brother of the thread 2: No!

Frere Brother of the thread 1: Yes!

Frere Brother of the thread 2: Yes!

Frere Brother of the thread 1: Yeah a bit.

Frere Brother of the thread 3: A bit!

Frere Brother of the thread 1, Frere Brother of the thread 2: A bit!

Frere Brother of the thread 2: a bit

Frere Brother of the thread 1: But she has got a white cowboy hat!

Random Person in the readers of the thread: *cough* *cough*



In keeping with the standard response to discovered heresy.......


[Holding the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch]

Warrior Monk: How does it... um... how does it work?

Frere Brother of the thread: I know not, my liege.

Warrior Monk: Consult the Book of Armaments.

Frere William: Armaments, chapter two, verses nine through twenty-one.

Femme Falchion: [reading] And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord (used in a functional title capacity for any religous belief descibing an entity of authority and with the power to exercise a "make it happen ability", and strictly non gender specific), bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats and large chu...

Frere William: Skip a bit, Sister...

Femme Falchion: And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.

Frere William: Amen.

All: Amen.

Warrior Monk: Right. One... two... five.

Frere Mikael: Three, sir.

Warrior Monk: Three.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 17, 2008, 07:13:52 AM
Now Available!

Renaissance Festival Forums: "Following Orders" thread poster Action Figures!!!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Actionfigures.jpg)


;D :D ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 17, 2008, 07:59:42 AM
Received another book in the mail yesterday: Templar Knights and the Crusades; Charles R. Dillon. It's like a smaller version of Mr Napier's A to Z of the Knights Templar, and Mrs Rall's Templar encyclopedia. It has no illustrations in it at all, but I did love the introduction he put in it. Definitely rings of a prior service military guy to me.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 17, 2008, 08:00:12 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icn___clap.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thicon_loll.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icn___clap.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thicon_loll.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icn___clap.gif)  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/38389060grenade.gif)



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 17, 2008, 08:16:44 AM
Speaking of Napier's book, do you know if its on the shelves here in the U.S yet?

Note: For our lurkers of the thread, Gordon Napier's publication "A to Z of the Knights Templar" features our very own warrior monk "Frere Cliff de Beaumanoir's"  intimidating image on on the cover.


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/worthy.gif)(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/meA-Ztemplarbookrollo.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 17, 2008, 08:27:54 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 16, 2008, 09:21:55 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 16, 2008, 08:50:38 PM
:P i don't smell like smoke



Frere Brother of the thread 1: But she has got a tatoo!



does not. i said i almost got the arch angel but God said he had something better i didn't get a tattooo
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 17, 2008, 08:30:08 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 17, 2008, 08:16:44 AM
Speaking of Napier's book, do you know if its on the shelves here in the U.S yet?

I know folks who've ordered it through Amazon U.K., but I think it's due out now in September of this year... :(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 17, 2008, 09:02:50 AM
i said almost. i didn't say i got it. I couldn't make up my mind on what to get because apparently acording to my friends  I'm the not the rose and lace type. I'm the sword and sheild type but i never did get one God stopped me. So i probley won't ever get one.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 17, 2008, 12:18:03 PM


Frere Brother of the thread 1: But she has got a white cowboy hat!


[/quote]
i was under the impression the goodguys wore white :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 17, 2008, 12:43:13 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 17, 2008, 12:18:03 PM
Frere Brother of the thread 1: But she has got a white cowboy hat!
i was under the impression the goodguys wore white :P
[/quote]:

Operative word here being guys  ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 17, 2008, 01:04:44 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 17, 2008, 12:43:13 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 17, 2008, 12:18:03 PM
Frere Brother of the thread 1: But she has got a white cowboy hat!
i was under the impression the goodguys wore white :P
:

Operative word here being guys  ;) :P
[/quote]
alright then i was under the impression that the good weather guys or gals wore white :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 17, 2008, 01:10:48 PM

Lady ASHley I am curious are there any photographs or images of thyself at faire??? In period garb that is.
Because I'm not real sure that a white sombrero would be considered faire related. (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/4.gif)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 17, 2008, 01:16:57 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 17, 2008, 01:10:48 PM
Because I'm not real sure that a white sombrero would be considered faire related.

You're covered!(http://bestsmileys.com/religous/1.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 17, 2008, 01:56:26 PM
 ;D what can i say i took more time taking photos of others than myself but i might see what i can find this weekend of me in garb
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 17, 2008, 01:59:21 PM
To reply again to a previous post: Google shopping appears to be selling Napier's new book!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 17, 2008, 03:34:37 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 17, 2008, 01:56:26 PM
;D what can i say i took more time taking photos of others than myself

Understand, as I am usually guilty of that well.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 17, 2008, 03:40:48 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 17, 2008, 01:59:21 PM
To reply again to a previous post: Google shopping appears to be selling Napier's new book!  ;D

I wonder if Borders or some of the other retail chains will eventually carry it.

Just found it at Borders!! ...Deus Vult!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 17, 2008, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 17, 2008, 03:40:48 PM
Just found it at Borders!! ...Deus Vult!!

And there was much rejoicing!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 17, 2008, 09:02:19 PM
anyone checked half.com
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 03:12:05 AM
There has been non-stop rejoicing here my fellow brothers & sisters, especially after seeing the add & endorsement that has been circulating around Christendom here for the last few months!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarbookad.jpg)  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/notworthy.gif)

I must possess it... God wills it!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 18, 2008, 06:56:50 AM
Wow! I completely forgot about that one! ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 03:12:05 AM

I must possess it... God wills it!!

Rofl
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 17, 2008, 09:02:19 PM
anyone checked half.com

They are temporarily out of stock Lady ASHley of the de Coals
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 09:41:13 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 17, 2008, 09:02:19 PM
anyone checked half.com

They are temporarily out of stock Lady ASHley of the de Coals
well i was trying to be of some help in finding it at a great price ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 09:51:48 AM
Your efforts are appreciated, recognized and recorded m'lady of the de coals
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 18, 2008, 10:18:14 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 03:12:05 AM
I must possess it... God wills it!!
Rofl

But laughing at "His" will, is still a good way to the "cleansing"!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 10:34:54 AM
Indeed it is! Good eye my brother as that reply eluded me.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 10:49:09 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 18, 2008, 10:18:14 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 03:12:05 AM
I must possess it... God wills it!!
Rofl

But laughing at "His" will, is still a good way to the "cleansing"!  ;)
i was not laughing at his will it was the i must possess it part that was so funny
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 18, 2008, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 10:49:09 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 18, 2008, 10:18:14 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 03:12:05 AM
I must possess it... God wills it!!
Rofl
But laughing at "His" will, is still a good way to the "cleansing"!  ;)
i was not laughing at his will it was the i must possess it part that was so funny

Then one would have figured you would have have put: "Rofl @ you having to possess it..."

But seeing as Frere Williams emphasis was placed on the part of Divine direction (God wills it!!), you conveniently left your reply vague and ambiguous. And this M'lady smacks of heresy!  ;D


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 12:14:57 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/torch.gif)
got torch?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 12:19:34 PM
 :P NO GOT WATER!!!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 12:24:58 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/398px-Holy_water_St_Teresas_church_.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 18, 2008, 12:30:06 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 12:19:34 PM
:P NO GOT WATER!!!!!!

From Frere William's astute reply, I fear that you might have unwittingly typed yourself into a spiritual quandary M'lady. ;)


How Master Lucas de Beaumanoir would be proud Brother William! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 12:46:17 PM
Thank you my brother. I remember the days long ago when you served directly under his holiness.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/TemplarShoreParty.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 12:52:28 PM
lol i just told him i didn't have torch but i had water :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 18, 2008, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 12:52:28 PM
lol i just told him i didn't have torch but i had water :P

Do you float? ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 01:17:02 PM
nope i walk.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 18, 2008, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 01:17:02 PM
nope i walk.  ;D

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/rman1217l.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 18, 2008, 01:23:48 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 12:46:17 PM
Thank you my brother. I remember the days long ago when you served directly under his holiness.

Aaahhh yes, those were the days.........memories.... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 02:29:52 PM
Rofl go ahead excomunicates me who you gonna pick at next fem? ;D you know you'd miss me
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 18, 2008, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 02:29:52 PM
Rofl go ahead excomunicates me who you gonna pick at next fem? ;D you know you'd miss me

;D

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/excom.jpg)

:P Consider your self under excommunication! :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 03:04:57 PM
 >:( >:( how rude kicking me out >:(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 18, 2008, 03:51:49 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/sign10.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/24.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icon_lol.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 03:56:44 PM
tosses pillow at Sir Marcus
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 18, 2008, 04:45:25 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 03:56:44 PM
tosses pillow at Sir Marcus

An assault on one of the Pope's militia, is like an assault on the Vicar of Christ himself! Especially when it's conducted by an excommunicate!  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 08:56:10 PM
yeah it was really dangerous weapon too. a pillow
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 18, 2008, 09:16:46 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 08:56:10 PM
yeah it was really dangerous weapon too. a pillow

Every action begins with one small event, and successful accomplishments are insured through rehearsal.... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 19, 2008, 03:13:52 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 08:56:10 PM
yeah it was really dangerous weapon too. a pillow

Dangerous weapon indeed, as it could of been filled with bricks or even explosives. Then again perhaps your a member of the.....

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/DW_2846-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 19, 2008, 09:29:36 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 08:56:10 PM
yeah it was really dangerous weapon too. a pillow

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/pillow.jpg)

The threat of suffocation by pillow remained a constant and ominously unspoken threat to Crusaders everywhere....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 19, 2008, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 19, 2008, 03:13:52 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 08:56:10 PM
yeah it was really dangerous weapon too. a pillow

Dangerous weapon indeed, as it could of been filled with bricks or even explosives. Then again perhaps your a member of the.....

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/DW_2846-1.jpg)
Rofl it only had cotton in it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 19, 2008, 09:58:19 PM
you asked for it and now yall got it. the only ren pic i could find of myself i will ask some of my other friends if they have any this one is rather horrid
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 20, 2008, 08:03:22 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 19, 2008, 09:29:36 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 18, 2008, 08:56:10 PM
yeah it was really dangerous weapon too. a pillow

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/pillow.jpg)

The threat of suffocation by pillow remained a constant and ominously unspoken threat to Crusaders everywhere....


ROFLMAO BROTHER!!!!!  I can't even imagine where you found that one at!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 21, 2008, 08:25:32 AM
Not to bad a of sword and easy on a crusaders budget. Check out the "Templar Sword from Arms of Valor"

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarlg.jpg)


Blade length: 34.5"
Handle/Hilt length: 8.5"
Overall: 43"
Balance Point: 5.0" Below Hilt
Weight: 3 lbs. 1.4 oz.

Note: The blade is 3/16" high carbon spring steel with a full hefty tang. It was tested on several 2"x4" standing up and split them with no marring on the blade. Then they tested it on a 2"x4" cross ways resting on each side on a solid rest and came straight down. It did not cut all the way through but it did cut deep and again did not mar the blade or edge. Then they went to the ultimate test Steel-to-Steel. They did 9 good blows, it nicked the blade but did not break the blade not break the tang or handle in either of these test.

See the tests and read a review of this sword at ...  http://www.swordsofvalor.com/Gen2Crusader.html

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 21, 2008, 08:28:49 AM
I have a buddy who has this exact blade. He sports the black and white of the Order of the Hospital. He likes it. I will post some pics when I get home.


BTW.......

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/1afi.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 21, 2008, 08:45:57 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 21, 2008, 08:28:49 AM
I have a buddy who has this exact blade. He sports the black and white of the Order of the Hospital. He likes it. I will post some pics when I get home.


BTW.......

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/1afi.jpg)
rofl
some people you just can't excommunicate
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 21, 2008, 09:20:49 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 21, 2008, 08:45:57 AM
rofl
some people you just can't excommunicate

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/ec.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 21, 2008, 09:24:42 AM
 ;D ;Dyall would miss me and you know it ;D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 21, 2008, 10:39:28 AM
Ah...it's good to be back!

What is that I smell cooking?

I should like to share pictures of our training exercises once I'm more settled in.

and many thanks for including me in your interfaith ceremony.  I appreciate the non gender specific modifications.  Very well done!


[/quote]

Femme Falchion: [reading] And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord (used in a functional title capacity for any religous belief descibing an entity of authority and with the power to exercise a "make it happen ability", and strictly non gender specific), bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats and large chu...

Frere William: Skip a bit, Sister...

Femme Falchion: And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.

[/quote]



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 21, 2008, 01:04:57 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 21, 2008, 10:39:28 AM
Ah...it's good to be back!
I should like to share pictures of our training exercises

Welcome back!   I should say that I 'am quite curious of these photo's of "training exercises" in which you speak of m' lady.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/joan_coronation.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 21, 2008, 01:58:21 PM
Brother William

the trainings were quite grueling as you can see...

First we have some basic reconnaissance

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/boys/IMG_1194.jpg)

Then there was some bouldering

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/boys/IMG_1253.jpg)

Of course some elementary navigational instruction

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/boys/IMG_1277.jpg)

and finally, I instructed my Knight-Errant in the sailing of the "not-so-tall" ships

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/boys/IMG_1282.jpg)




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 21, 2008, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 21, 2008, 01:58:21 PM
Brother William

the trainings were quite grueling as you can see...

First we have some basic reconnaissance

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/boys/IMG_1194.jpg)

and finally, I instructed my Knight-Errant in the sailing of the "not-so-tall" ships

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/boys/IMG_1282.jpg)


as for the 1st picture, absolutely splendid, one can never underestimate the value of a low profile when invading and surveiling hostile shores!  ;)

as for the last image, OMG!  :o, Is that not the dreaded Sunfish sail used by none other than Edward Teach , during his teenage years, before he found a job he was really good at?!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 21, 2008, 02:28:09 PM
ff looks like it was a grueling time i need one of those trips
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 21, 2008, 02:29:08 PM
we began with the classics and then moved on to Queen Ann's Revenge once my Lord's confidence was bolstered. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 21, 2008, 02:31:54 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 21, 2008, 02:28:09 PM
ff looks like it was a grueling time i need one of those trips

believe it or not Lady de Pond traveling anywhere with the young sires is exhausting regardless of the activity!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 21, 2008, 08:09:14 PM
These are the photos of a good friend of mine. Another disciple of KoH!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0222.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0223.jpg)

Don was one of my soldiers back in the day, and now has his own troops, and is fixing to leave for the sand box later this year.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 21, 2008, 08:19:45 PM
Fantastic & hail to the wee lads!!  They look great and appear to be in good spirits considering what I can only imagine to be a week of serious hardcore amphibious training.


Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 21, 2008, 02:31:54 PM
believe it or not Lady de Pond traveling anywhere with the young sires is exhausting regardless of the activity!

Got that right! Me & the Queen spent this past weekend with the princess at a popular water park here in Indiana and we both are severely whooped!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 22, 2008, 07:04:05 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/knights.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 22, 2008, 07:39:31 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 21, 2008, 08:09:14 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0222.jpg)

Doe's Don still participate in his holy duties?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 22, 2008, 07:45:49 AM
When he has the time.  :(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 22, 2008, 08:29:41 AM
Check this guy's use of the 12" Ignite Hospitaller action figure out!!!!

http://www.accionunoseis.org/viewtopic.php?p=53379&highlight=
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 22, 2008, 09:18:26 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/poster47488712.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 22, 2008, 09:57:50 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 22, 2008, 08:29:41 AM
Check this guy's use of the 12" Ignite Hospitaller action figure out!!!!

http://www.accionunoseis.org/viewtopic.php?p=53379&highlight=

Looks like he's ready for action!  To bad you can't find those on the shelves at Toys-R-Us
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 22, 2008, 11:27:27 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 22, 2008, 07:45:49 AM
When he has the time.  :(

That sounds familiar
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 22, 2008, 12:17:20 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 22, 2008, 09:57:50 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 22, 2008, 08:29:41 AM
Check this guy's use of the 12" Ignite Hospitaller action figure out!!!!

http://www.accionunoseis.org/viewtopic.php?p=53379&highlight=

Looks like he's ready for action!  To bad you can't find those on the shelves at Toys-R-Us
Rofl yeah you can't find Robin Hood on the shelfs either
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 22, 2008, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 22, 2008, 07:39:31 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 21, 2008, 08:09:14 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0222.jpg)

Doe's Don still participate in his holy duties?


If I may be so bold as to inquire....what exactly are the "holy duties"?  Is it more of the eradication of infidels, pursuing heretical subversions, "cleansings" and the like?

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 22, 2008, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 22, 2008, 01:12:42 PM
If I may be so bold as to inquire....what exactly are the "holy duties"?  Is it more of the eradication of infidels, pursuing heretical subversions, "cleansings" and the like?

Exactly. And by his modest dress appearing in public places to instill fear in the wicked and faith in those weak of heart. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 22, 2008, 02:07:46 PM
"modest dress"?  that lengthy macramé belt just screams showy extravagance to me! ;)

(I suppose suggesting that Brother Don's holy duties include eating donuts and swiss cheese, installing electrical plugs or exploring regions of space that have incredibly powerful gravitational fields would be considered heresy?)   ;) ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 22, 2008, 02:18:05 PM
watch out ff they gonna try to excommunicate you next
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 22, 2008, 02:27:42 PM
I thank you for your cautions Lady...I certainly am not looking for a new title  :)  Do you prefer Lady de Pond or Lady de Coals?

My aim is never to challenge, only clarify.   ;)

FF
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 22, 2008, 02:39:09 PM
I still prefer Lady de pond over the new one but i am honored they gave me a new name so i had to include it
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 22, 2008, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 22, 2008, 02:07:46 PM
"modest dress"?  that lengthy macramé belt just screams showy extravagance to me! ;)

(I suppose suggesting that Brother Don's holy duties include eating donuts and swiss cheese, installing electrical plugs or exploring regions of space that have incredibly powerful gravitational fields would be considered heresy?)   ;) ;)

The belt, well what can I say? He is from the Order of the Hospital, and they've always been attention hogs!  ;)

As for your other words, it must be a long day, for their intent completely escapes me... ???

But for the Lady de Coals' sake, we do have enough of these left to go around..... :P ;D

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/SCROLLS.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 22, 2008, 03:23:07 PM
Templar

my apologies...this is where relying on the written word can be quite vexing....and for the scribes, it has been a long day but a joyful one.  My hour of rising and practices begin at 5:30am!

I was attempting poor humor, playing off your "holy duties"...but instead using examples of items that have "holes" in them (cheese, electrical plugs, black holes....hole-ly duties)  um...well...ha ha...right?

*FF sheepishly shrugs and returns to her quarters while remembering how much she enjoyed the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on July 22, 2008, 03:28:38 PM
Where, O' where has Sir Mikael been?

http://www.michaelchampion.net/injury.html

Miss everyone. Will be here as meds and crappy loaner laptop will allow.  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 22, 2008, 03:35:00 PM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on July 22, 2008, 03:28:38 PM
Miss everyone. Will be here as meds and crappy loaner laptop will allow.  :P

He lives!! Great news!

Frere Mikael, I had fooled around with this when provoked at work by another employee, and thought of you!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/ac.jpg)


Get to feeling better soon the Aqua-man! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 22, 2008, 03:46:27 PM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on July 22, 2008, 03:28:38 PM
Where, O' where has Sir Mikael been?

http://www.michaelchampion.net/injury.html

Miss everyone. Will be here as meds and crappy loaner laptop will allow.  :P
atleast your here thats what matter hope you feel better soon
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 22, 2008, 03:48:23 PM
Brother Mikael...I am so sorry to hear of your injury!  I will send healing energy your way during my morning meditations!

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc56/luisant41/Mulherarezar_memling.jpg)



oops, who am I kidding??? (that was for the Knights..... and I would never have a hound that small  ;))

this is more like it. 

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb306/mystikrythm/meditatingwomanwithpyramid.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 23, 2008, 03:38:45 AM
My..my..haven't we been a wee busy since my last visit.  Sir Mikael, good to hear from you, and good to hear you are on the road to recovery.  I must admit that you are not the only person I know that has suffered a nasty injury on one of those flying inflatables. I only wish I was geographically closer as I would pay visit and possibly have an ale & vicodin with ya! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icon_pidu.gif)

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 22, 2008, 01:17:30 PM
And by his modest dress appearing in public places to instill fear in the wicked and faith in those weak of heart. ;)

DEUS VULT!!!


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/dhm1016.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on July 23, 2008, 09:20:53 AM
Hope you get to feeling better fairly soon! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 23, 2008, 12:39:14 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/a20crusades20demille20PDVD_003.jpg)

Our Father in heaven, creator of all things; You are the great Physician. I ask now that You reach down to all who need (especially Frere Mikael) Your healing touch, especially those on our prayer list (see valiant Brother noted above). There are those who need healing in many ways: Envelope these in Your care.
As You care for those who need a healing hand (again refer to the above mentioned Brother of the Temple), bless and comfort the care givers who are sacrificing time and energy to care for those who cannot care for themselves.
Show forth your mercy and grace to all these we lift up to you.
In your name we offer this prayer. Amen

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Arn-Scener3.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/48.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 23, 2008, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 22, 2008, 03:48:23 PM
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb306/mystikrythm/meditatingwomanwithpyramid.jpg)

What is this witchery!?  :o A floating nun?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 23, 2008, 12:44:09 PM
rofl a floating nun never seen one of them. Not that i've seen that many nuns anyway.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 23, 2008, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 22, 2008, 03:48:23 PM
(that was for the Knights..... and I would never have a hound that small  ;))

Whats with this small hound talk??? Behold my war hound & guardian of the temple "Guy De Lusignan the Papillon!"

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animal%20Pictures%20and%20Gifs/2008_0706Image0034.jpg)

Many of large beast have fallen to his skills on the battlefield.  All it takes is for him to get a hold of your ankles sister and its over!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 23, 2008, 01:01:51 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animal%20Pictures%20and%20Gifs/jitcrunchaspx-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 23, 2008, 01:07:49 PM
 ;D Rofl that's not a real dog
get a boxer now thats a real dog
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 23, 2008, 01:33:08 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 23, 2008, 01:01:51 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animal%20Pictures%20and%20Gifs/jitcrunchaspx-1.jpg)

Awesome!

As for dogs........these inhabit our Preceptory.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/dogs.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 23, 2008, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 23, 2008, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 22, 2008, 03:48:23 PM

What is this witchery!?  :o A floating nun?



Let's not get our undergarmets in a twist Brother.  It is merely a symbolic representation of the lightness and buoyancy attained through, through, um...earnest prayer for Brother Mikael.  Yes.  That's it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 23, 2008, 02:20:42 PM
"Many of large beast have fallen to his skills on the battlefield.  All it takes is for him to get a hold of your ankles sister and its over!"

Brother William and Templar:  These indeed are fierce hunting companions-mea culpa.  I should know by now that size doesn't.....oh, never mind.

Here are 2 of my 3-pack:

Juno, the real belch matriarch of the Grove and bionic canine
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_0896-1.jpg)

and 8-Ball (a Plott Hound...the NC state dog)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/plotthound.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 24, 2008, 02:48:21 AM

You have three pooches???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 24, 2008, 07:13:13 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 24, 2008, 02:48:21 AM
You have three pooches???

well it's more like 3.75 pooches  ;)

Mastiff= 3  + Boston Terrier= .50 + French Bulldog= .25 = 3.75  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 24, 2008, 07:31:37 AM
Take note!!!

http://store.foxholetoys.com/1scagofacknt.html

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 24, 2008, 08:37:52 AM
At 10 bucks I think I'll pre-order myse.....um...my princess one.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 24, 2008, 08:46:17 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 24, 2008, 07:13:13 AM
well it's more like 3.75 pooches  ;)
Mastiff= 3  + Boston Terrier= .50 + French Bulldog= .25 = 3.75  :P

Great dogs brother!
I have a friend here locally that has Mastiffs and a great breed however, I have come to believe that they are the most salivating, flatulating breed in the k-9 world...lol...is yours an exception?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 24, 2008, 09:07:30 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 24, 2008, 08:37:52 AM
At 10 bucks I think I'll pre-order myse.....um...my princess one.

I know what you mea.....eerrrr...I mean, I absolutely agree....we...oops...damn key pad......they need them!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 24, 2008, 09:08:20 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 24, 2008, 08:46:17 AM
I have come to believe that they are the most salivating, flatulating breed in the k-9 world...lol...is yours an exception?

A very astute description of the breed, and aahhhh....no!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 24, 2008, 09:51:30 AM
now the boston terrier counts thats just a mini boxer ;D
I have a boston and a boxer
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 24, 2008, 12:05:44 PM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/Decembers_Death/avatar_5795.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 24, 2008, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 24, 2008, 12:05:44 PM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/Decembers_Death/avatar_5795.gif)

:o didn't your momma teach you it wasn't nice to blow up stuff without permission
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 24, 2008, 01:52:11 PM
Lady De Pond

I believe the above may be an illustration of the gastrointestinal characteristics of Templar's mighty dog of war.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 24, 2008, 02:17:51 PM
Close Lady Falchion. I was just trying to touch on the reality of the theme;

That there are times (read MOST if not all of them) when a Boxer won't do.... :P

Neapolitan Mastiff
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/templar_knight_DOG.jpg)
The Neapolitan Mastiff is a direct descendent of the great Molossus war dog of antiquity, and evidence of this ancestry can be seen in artworks dating back to 3000 BC. Alexander the Great is credited with developing the Molossus breed in 330 BC by crossing giant war dogs from his native Macedonia with shorthaired dogs from India. The physical similarities between the Molossus of historical record and today's Neapolitan Mastiff are evident.

When the Romans conquered Greece they became enamored of this unsurpassed warrior canine and used it to fight men, as well as all manners of big game (including lions, tigers and elephants) in battle and gladiatorial entertainment. Over the centuries, breeders of the Mastiff in and around Naples developed the breed into a highly specialized guardian of homes and estates. The dog's imposing size and appearance alone was considered a deterrent to potential intruders.


Who better to back you or a family member up, when some unwanted heretic comes a gently rapping, rapping at your chamber's door....?

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 24, 2008, 02:42:12 PM
Quoth the Mastiff, "Nevermore"

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/dog-hugs-baby5.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 24, 2008, 02:44:57 PM
ff that is one of the cutiest pics i've seen
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 24, 2008, 03:03:31 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 24, 2008, 02:42:12 PM
Quoth the Mastiff, "Nevermore"

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/dog-hugs-baby5.jpg)


This picture is "spot on" on how Titus behaves with the princess. Although he's only 6 months old, occasionally we have to remind him, that he's not the size of the Frenchie!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 24, 2008, 03:47:00 PM
I knew Titus could be no other way....given his allegiances to the female sovereigns in your commandery.   :D ;)

It has been my experience that canine familiars are more magical beasts than commonly realized...capable of much.

"Brother" FF
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 24, 2008, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 24, 2008, 03:47:00 PM
I knew Titus could be no other way....given his allegiances to the female sovereigns in your commandery. 

I choked on my drink!! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 25, 2008, 09:15:15 AM
do we need to help you our warrior monk are you ok?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 25, 2008, 12:23:44 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 25, 2008, 09:15:15 AM
do we need to help you our warrior monk are you ok?

No....no....I'm fine. Thanks for the offer though. I just found it funny how Lady FF used the words female + sovereigns in a sentence.....together! ;) Isn't that like a historical double negative?  :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: BLAKDUKE on July 25, 2008, 12:28:13 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 25, 2008, 12:23:44 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 25, 2008, 09:15:15 AM
do we need to help you our warrior monk are you ok?

No....no....I'm fine. Thanks for the offer though. I just found it funny how Lady FF used the words female + sovereigns in a sentence.....together! ;) Isn't that like a historical double negative?  :P ;D ;)

Or at least oxy-morons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or I did not know that coins(sovereigns) had gender!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 25, 2008, 01:05:54 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 25, 2008, 12:23:44 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 25, 2008, 09:15:15 AM
do we need to help you our warrior monk are you ok?

No....no....I'm fine. Thanks for the offer though. I just found it funny how Lady FF used the words female + sovereigns in a sentence.....together! ;) Isn't that like a historical double negative?  :P ;D ;)


It is a supreme pleasure to bring mirth to this thread!

Warrior Monk....I believe we were just recently discussing the notion of creating our "own" histories....

and let me assure you, my comment was not one of malicious intent.  That the illustrious Lady LeFay herself oversaw to the care and training of Titus whilst you were on your last crusade, I took for truth.  It would then stand to reason that a strong bond was forged between her and the canine. 

and finally, for everyones' tutelage


sov·er·eign
–noun
1.   a monarch; a king, queen, or other supreme ruler.
2.   a person who has sovereign power or authority.
3.   a group or body of persons or a state having sovereign authority.
4.   a gold coin of the United Kingdom, equal to one pound sterling: went out of circulation after 1914.
–adjective
5.   belonging to or characteristic of a sovereign or sovereignty; royal.
6.   having supreme rank, power, or authority.
7.   supreme; preeminent; indisputable: a sovereign right.
8.   greatest in degree; utmost or extreme.
9.   being above all others in character, importance, excellence, etc.
10.   efficacious; potent: a sovereign remedy.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 25, 2008, 01:19:57 PM
Just to clarify M'lady FF, I do hope you know my comment was in jest and not at all serious, well most of it wasn't serious.... :P

And the food chain of power in my castle runs a little like:



:)

And the word "queen" in your definition looks suspiciously dubbed in from here......practicing a little digital slight of hand, and photo shop manipulation are we?  :P ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 25, 2008, 01:23:29 PM
As always, I have nothing to hide  ;) :D :D

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sovereign


(well played, you got me on the historical double negative!)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 25, 2008, 01:33:17 PM
What witchery is this!? I can't do anything with it! :o Stumped!!! :P :(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 25, 2008, 01:44:43 PM
i do not know
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 25, 2008, 02:03:39 PM
perhaps a sacred codeword or magical weapon is required to gain entry to dictionary.com?

only the purest of syntax and semantics may enter....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 25, 2008, 02:28:04 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 25, 2008, 02:03:39 PM
perhaps a sacred codeword or magical weapon is required to gain entry to dictionary.com?

only the purest of syntax and semantics may enter....

While some Templars were literate and numerate-and had to be, in order to look after the financial affairs of the order, many were not; they certainly were never scholars.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 25, 2008, 02:31:18 PM
I am curious to know...what was the typical day like for the Knight (Templar or otherwise) when not on crusade?  Were there certain expected daily practices?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 25, 2008, 02:37:09 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 25, 2008, 02:31:18 PM
Were their certain expected daily practices?

Absolutely!

There was a standard for them to follow, set down in the "Rule". Although the bottom line to any of the items set forth in the Rule could be changed at the Master's desire.

I had the schedule posted on the old forums, but will dig through my stuff and repost it, or send it PM as desired. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 25, 2008, 02:51:35 PM
 I can research the Rule (as in the Latin Rules?) but who was the "Master" in terms of the pecking order? The leader of individual preceptories? 

I know this was covered in a previous lecture, I mean, posting...so forgive me for the redundancy   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 25, 2008, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 25, 2008, 02:51:35 PM
I can research the Rule (as in the Latin Rules?) but who was the "Master" in terms of the pecking order? The leader of individual preceptories? 

I know this was covered in a previous lecture, I mean, posting...so forgive me for the redundancy   :)

He would be the one Master of the Temple.

This might open the door for me to post a little history on each of them..... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 26, 2008, 09:22:41 AM

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 25, 2008, 02:28:04 PM
they certainly were never scholars.

That would probably be me, as I am considered more a man of action than of words  ;)

God wills it.





Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 25, 2008, 02:31:18 PM
I am curious to know...what was the typical day like for the Knight (Templar or otherwise) when not on crusade?  Were there certain expected daily practices?

Please allow me.





The Templars' Day according to the Rule of the Temple

Time: Service in Chapel (If house has one, otherwise hall)
______________________________________________________________________________________

At Night: Matins in Chapel.

Brothers to join in prayers. Brothers then go and check the horses and equipment and speak to their squires.

Sleep until dawn.

6am: Prime Mass (or after sext)

9am: Terce

12 noon: Sext
Mass (If not heard earlier)  Afterwards repair armour and equipment, make tent pegs, tent post, or anything necessary.

Followed by lunch: Knights eat at first sitting; clerk to read aloud while they eat.
Go to chapel and give thanks: 'Go to their post and do the best that God instructs them'


3pm: Nones

Vesper for the dead
Vigils for the dead

Dusk: Vespers

Followed by supper

Compline

Followed by drink.

Check horses and equipment, speak to squire if necessary.

Dark: Bed.



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 27, 2008, 08:03:06 AM
Gramercy Brothers William and Templar.  It is good to know.

please add mon père to your vigils.  He was hospitalized yesterday at dawn.

FF
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 27, 2008, 04:14:47 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 27, 2008, 08:03:06 AM
please add mon père to your vigils.  He was hospitalized yesterday at dawn.

FF

Appropriate prayers have been said and directed for your Sire. :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 28, 2008, 08:06:28 AM
Prayers sent for his Lordship m'lady


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarknight-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 28, 2008, 08:43:15 AM
I've been searching for an entry table for the fortress's main door. I believe I have discovered exactly what I was looking for.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/l_d4fec1192833194fc1e873c3e57270fa.jpg)

A must for all warrior dwellings & fortifications
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 28, 2008, 11:30:13 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 28, 2008, 08:43:15 AM
I've been searching for an entry table for the fortress's main door. I believe I have discovered exactly what I was looking for.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/l_d4fec1192833194fc1e873c3e57270fa.jpg)

A must for all warrior dwellings & fortifications

nice handy table
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 28, 2008, 11:51:34 AM
Don't nessasarely think you needed to quote me there ASHley. After all my post is right above yours. (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/jpshakehead.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 28, 2008, 12:59:27 PM
 ;D well what can i say you never know when your gonna get interupted
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 28, 2008, 01:04:32 PM
Brother William....I'm sure Lady de Pond feels as I do....your recommendations are so wise and your words so astute, they bear repeating!

Many thanks for the effective prayers for the lord my father.  He is safely back in his dwelling...it is good for he does not fair well with bloodletting and apothecaries!

But what would be appropriate compensation for such vigils?


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 28, 2008, 02:35:58 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 28, 2008, 01:04:32 PM
Brother William....I'm sure Lady de Pond feels as I do....your recommendations are so wise and your words so astute, they bear repeating!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/blush-1.gif) Well, since you put it that way. I do apologize, it just deems appropriate to give ASHly of de Coals a hard time whenever the situation presents itself due to her acts in previous post and against the church.

Your father has returned to his dwelling. That is good news indeed! I too can relate to his dislike of dealing with apothecaries.

Compensation? No compensation here, as it was Gods will m'lady, and an honor..

Deus Lo Volt!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 28, 2008, 02:41:01 PM
geee i feel so loved
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 28, 2008, 03:02:30 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 28, 2008, 02:41:01 PM
geee i feel so loved

Nothing says "Good Times" like a large collection of friends and a nice warm fire!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/heretics.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 28, 2008, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 28, 2008, 01:04:32 PM
But what would be appropriate compensation for such vigils?

Conversion. ;)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Medieval_Girlv1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 28, 2008, 03:50:45 PM
Ah Templar, so reliably consistent.  I knew your response to my query before I finished scribing it!  :D :D


I know I'll be highlighting how woefully behind the times I am with current movie releases....but I just had opportunity to watch Beowulf this past weekend.  The "cg" version with Hopkins.  (Can't seem to help but run around the house screaming, "MY NAME IS FEMME FALCHION, ARRRRGGGGGGG....just kidding) 

In any case, now I'm on a new jag and have checked out the audio version translated by Heaney.  Any feedback from the warrior perspective regarding the movie or myth in general? 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 29, 2008, 02:42:07 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 28, 2008, 02:41:01 PM
geee i feel so loved

That doesn't make you feel all "toasty" inside?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 29, 2008, 07:36:49 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 28, 2008, 03:50:45 PM
Ah Templar, so reliably consistent.  I knew your response to my query before I finished scribing it!  :D :D

I know I'll be highlighting how woefully behind the times I am with current movie releases....but I just had opportunity to watch Beowulf this past weekend.  The "cg" version with Hopkins.  (Can't seem to help but run around the house screaming, "MY NAME IS FEMME FALCHION, ARRRRGGGGGGG....just kidding) 

In any case, now I'm on a new jag and have checked out the audio version translated by Heaney.  Any feedback from the warrior perspective regarding the movie or myth in general? 

I guess I better change my game!  :P

As for the CG Beowulf- I'm not liking it. I prefer the one done with Gerard Butler. But hands down in my opinion, the best rendering of the Beowulf theme was with the 13th Warrior!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 29, 2008, 07:52:48 AM
awww i never was a big fan of beowulf.  I remember reading the story and disliking it very much.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 29, 2008, 01:36:12 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 29, 2008, 07:36:49 AM

I guess I better change my game!  :P

As for the CG Beowulf- I'm not liking it. I prefer the one done with Gerard Butler. But hands down in my opinion, the best rendering of the Beowulf theme was with the 13th Warrior!!!


....gracious, must I always keep a close eye on the destination of my immortal soul when in the company of the devoted Knights?   ;)

The 13th Warrior was just recommended to me by a companion in our faire adventuring party...I must search it out.  The myth comes to life when paired with different movie renditions.  How vastly they all differ. 

Beowulf was difficult to get through in middle school....but it may bear reexamination Lady De Pond.  It one of the only surviving Angelo-Saxon myths....


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on July 29, 2008, 07:24:16 PM
Hey Warrior Monk can you email me or renmail me the crusaders oath and laws they abided by? Do you know where one can become a "true" Knights Templar? I heard you have to go to England.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 29, 2008, 09:03:01 PM
Quote from: Sleepy on July 29, 2008, 07:24:16 PM
Hey Warrior Monk can you email me or renmail me the crusaders oath and laws they abided by? Do you know where one can become a "true" Knights Templar? I heard you have to go to England.

I can send you the "rough" draft of their oath, as spelled out in the Rule (remember induction activities were secret). As for laws they abided by (they being Templars), it was all spelled out in the Rule of the Templars. Many of the other crusading Orders adopted similar scripts.

As for becoming a "true" Templar, you'll have to wait for the Pope to authorize their reinstatement. Until then, there are many Templar reenactment groups, to which a few of the serving Brothers on this thread are members of. There is also the "pseudo-Templars" of your Masonic leagues, Scottish Rite, I believe. See: http://www.masonicinfo.com/templars.htm


There is also the SMOTJ (probably the most valid) where you can apply by submitting a "resume" of yourself and activities, but it won't happen quickly. It's sent to a local office near you for review (you don't have to go to the UK), and then you are called in for an interview if you're found acceptable to their cause. See http://www.smotj.org/

There are also many UK based organizations, that offer free business cards with initials of your new "office" on them, but they're not valid.

You might also enjoy the following site: http://www.templarhistory.com/forum/

I hope this helps, and I will get you the intial induction words shorthly, if Frere William doesn't beat me to posting them! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on July 29, 2008, 09:34:11 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 29, 2008, 09:03:01 PM
Quote from: Sleepy on July 29, 2008, 07:24:16 PM
Hey Warrior Monk can you email me or renmail me the crusaders oath and laws they abided by? Do you know where one can become a "true" Knights Templar? I heard you have to go to England.

I can send you the "rough" draft of their oath, as spelled out in the Rule (remember induction activities were secret). As for laws they abided by (they being Templars), it was all spelled out in the Rule of the Templars. Many of the other crusading Orders adopted similar scripts.

As for becoming a "true" Templar, you'll have to wait for the Pope to authorize their reinstatement. Until then, there are many Templar reenactment groups, to which a few of the serving Brothers on this thread are members of. There is also the "pseudo-Templars" of your Masonic leagues, Scottish Rite, I believe. See: http://www.masonicinfo.com/templars.htm


There is also the SMOTJ (probably the most valid) where you can apply by submitting a "resume" of yourself and activities, but it won't happen quickly. It's sent to a local office near you for review (you don't have to go to the UK), and then you are called in for an interview if you're found acceptable to their cause. See http://www.smotj.org/

There are also manu UK based organizations, that offer free business cards with initials of your new "office" on them, but they're not valid.

You might also enjoy the following site: http://www.templarhistory.com/forum/

I hope this helps, and I will get you the intial induction words shorthly, if Frere William doesn't beat me to posting them! ;)

Yea, the SMOTj is the one I was thinking of I believe. I just got a beautiful Templars Ring. I cant wait for fest and my knee to get better so I can wear my Templar tunic with the new helm. Its gonna rock.
Now I just have to get DB to get me in studio for pics. Oh DBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBb......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 30, 2008, 06:45:20 AM
I've been thinking of this very item: the Templar ring. What does yours look like, and where might you have acquired it? I would like mine with a little relief so that I might use it to press into wax, when I do seals on special items.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 30, 2008, 07:08:37 AM
Quote from: Sleepy on July 29, 2008, 09:34:11 PM
I cant wait for fest and my knee to get better so I can wear my Templar tunic with the new helm. Its gonna rock.
Now I just have to get DB to get me in studio for pics. Oh DBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBb......

Remember Brother, we are directed to look after the elderly and infirm of our Order. To repost a photo once introduced by Frere William: (just in case a faire rears its' head and your knee is still not to Crusading standards!)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/segwayTemplar.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 30, 2008, 07:49:09 AM
rofl old world meets new
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 30, 2008, 09:47:39 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/OrderOathpic-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on July 31, 2008, 02:23:33 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 30, 2008, 06:45:20 AM
I've been thinking of this very item: the Templar ring. What does yours look like, and where might you have acquired it? I would like mine with a little relief so that I might use it to press into wax, when I do seals on special items.  ;)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Supersteve911/DSCN0019.jpg)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Supersteve911/DSCN0020.jpg)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Supersteve911/DSCN0022.jpg)


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Supersteve911/DSCN0021.jpg)

It's not very period but it is a beautiful ring.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 31, 2008, 10:46:08 AM
Nice ring. Saw the post on Ebay. Was looking at another one on there with the two knights on horseback, it comes out of Israel.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 31, 2008, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: Sleepy on July 31, 2008, 02:23:33 AM
It's not very period but it is a beautiful ring.

Indeed a beautiful ring. I'll take two! 

If possible,  would like to see the one in which frere Cliff speaks of
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 31, 2008, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 31, 2008, 11:19:00 AM
If possible,  would like to see the one in which frere Cliff speaks of

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/29ef_1.jpg)

I do like Sleepy's ring though......could be a cult started like the RF pins.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 31, 2008, 12:12:01 PM
 Quote from my princess "Ooh La La!"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 31, 2008, 01:27:53 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 31, 2008, 11:56:35 AM
......could be a cult started like the RF pins.  ;)


*FF loudly clears her throat*

All this talk of starting a cult is beginning to sound just a bit heathen for this thread.  I believe all this attention to the glamour of the rings is leading you astray from your vows of poverty.  In fact, it smacks of idolatry! 

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/knightstemplarring12th.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 31, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 31, 2008, 01:27:53 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 31, 2008, 11:56:35 AM
......could be a cult started like the RF pins.  ;)


*FF loudly clears her throat*

All this talk of starting a cult is beginning to sound just a bit heathen for this thread.  I believe all this attention to the glamour of the rings is leading you astray from your vows of poverty.  In fact, it smacks of idolatry! 

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/knightstemplarring12th.jpg)


Whoa!  :o  An astute, yet somewhat misquided recipient of the word of the Latin Rule of the Temple! Very dangerous indeed!  ;) When the item in question venerates the Temple and the ideology it stands for, then it is a show of reverence! Absolutely allowed within the understandings of the Church (see iconic images crucified to the cross). Those that were abhorant to the visual display of Idolatry, fell within the grasps of both the Eastern Orthodox theology and the heretic infidel. The crusades were launched to help the one come back to the "light" side, and squelch the other's eastern expansion!  ;D


Deus Vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 31, 2008, 02:09:21 PM
*FF breathes a sign of relief and drops her shoulders*

whew, gramercy for clearing that up Warrior Monk.  I was next afraid you'd be eating flesh four, five, six times a week and accepting feminine kisses
;) ;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 31, 2008, 02:13:57 PM
We're here from the Temple M'Lady, we're here to help.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 31, 2008, 02:26:45 PM
 ;D some nice rings but i think i got enough rings well except two i keep looking for but they don't look anything like those
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 31, 2008, 02:39:46 PM
it's a pity...I do have some lovely shanks of golden calf to braise after vespers
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 31, 2008, 02:41:25 PM
LOL!  :o ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 31, 2008, 03:08:39 PM
In all seriousness...why was the limitation on meat consumption in the rule?

"X. Let a repast of flesh three times a week suffice you, excepting at Christmas, or Faster, or the feast of the Blessed Mary, or of All Saints. . . . . On Sunday we think it clearly fitting and expedient that two messes of flesh should be served up to the knights and the chaplains. But let the rest, to wit, the esquires and retainers, remain contented with one, and be thankful therefor.

Did the word "flesh" refer to red meat only or poultry and fish as well?

Alchemy in the kitchens is a part of serving the Goddess...and I have interests in these areas  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on July 31, 2008, 03:11:46 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 31, 2008, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 31, 2008, 11:19:00 AM
If possible,  would like to see the one in which frere Cliff speaks of

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/29ef_1.jpg)

I do like Sleepy's ring though......could be a cult started like the RF pins.  ;)

Yea I was that one too and couldnt decide, I went with the nicer one. Although maybe later on I might get that one. Will have to see.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 31, 2008, 03:14:51 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 31, 2008, 03:08:39 PM
In all seriousness...why was the limitation on meat consumption in the rule?

"X. Let a repast of flesh three times a week suffice you, excepting at Christmas, or Faster, or the feast of the Blessed Mary, or of All Saints. . . . . On Sunday we think it clearly fitting and expedient that two messes of flesh should be served up to the knights and the chaplains. But let the rest, to wit, the esquires and retainers, remain contented with one, and be thankful therefor.

Did the word "flesh" refer to red meat only or poultry and fish as well?

Alchemy in the kitchens is a part of serving the Goddess...and I have interests in these areas  :)

Because the secular community over endulged itself in such consuptions, and they wanted to distance themselves from such obviously sinful practices (meat most of the time came from the hunt also, something they were prohibited from taking part in). It should be noted that the Master of the Temple could dictate more days of meat consumption, usually prior to battle.
I do not believe, if I remember correctly that it applied to fish and fowl.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 01, 2008, 06:41:57 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 31, 2008, 02:26:45 PM
;D some nice rings but i think i got enough rings well except two i keep looking for but they don't look anything like those

This smacks of Greed and Envy!  ;D

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o140/royalty4me/Horror/golum.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 01, 2008, 07:53:01 AM
Rofl i don't have that many rings and the other two i seek well those would be the wedding type
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 01, 2008, 07:59:53 AM
Be very careful what you wish for Lady de Pond....independence has it's benefits!

The rings that you seek can be tricksy   :) :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 01, 2008, 08:18:43 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 01, 2008, 07:59:53 AM
Be very careful what you wish for Lady de Pond....independence has it's benefits!

The rings that you seek can be tricksy   :) :)

:o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 01, 2008, 08:25:30 AM
not my personal experience but I've heard tales...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 01, 2008, 08:38:57 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 01, 2008, 08:25:30 AM
not my personal experience but I've heard tales...

Rumor monger!  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 01, 2008, 08:52:22 AM
Rofl
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 01, 2008, 09:26:08 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 01, 2008, 06:41:57 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 31, 2008, 02:26:45 PM
;D some nice rings but i think i got enough rings well except two i keep looking for but they don't look anything like those

This smacks of Greed and Envy!  ;D

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 01, 2008, 09:56:57 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 01, 2008, 12:40:30 PM
Interesting picture although I'm not real sure how it should be translated?

1.) Is that the bearer?
2.) Wheres the protection for the bearer?
3.) Snow? European campaign perhaps?
4.) Has he survived the battle and this is where he falls?
5.) Could that be fellow brothers in the distance to his rescue or the enemy?
6.) Or it could possibly be "ME!" Laughing my holy hiney off face down in the snow at the the previous post by frere Cliff??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 01, 2008, 01:04:39 PM
My money goes with:

Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 01, 2008, 12:40:30 PM
Interesting picture although I'm not real sure how it should be translated?

6.) Or it could possibly be "ME!" Laughing my holy hiney off face down in the snow at the the previous post by frere Cliff??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 01, 2008, 01:45:25 PM
6 sounds like a good answer to me
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 01, 2008, 02:22:58 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 01, 2008, 09:56:57 AM
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7.) What happens when the Master of the Temple dictates too few days of meat consumption.  The fellows approaching have quality hard tack in their satchels but it is too late.     :'( :'(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 01, 2008, 03:33:15 PM
6 it is!!   Although the addition of #7 is very good as well FF.  I especially liked how you incorporated the word "hard tack" which brings back memories to my wild west days (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/4.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 01, 2008, 03:48:03 PM
I am glad it pleases you Sir William.  I thought perhaps using the words quality and hard tack together would be my oxymoron of the week.

Do you know the means by which the Knights' provisions were transported?  I would imagine the hot climes in which they traveled prohibited fresh flesh.  Perhaps it was salted and cured?


BTW  I agree that #6 is indeed most appropriate and will provide us all with a lasting visual when you ROLF on the thread next
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 02, 2008, 03:13:14 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 01, 2008, 03:48:03 PM
I thought perhaps using the words quality and hard tack together would be my oxymoron of the week.

Quality hard tack is always better than "yucky poo" hard tack any day!

Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 01, 2008, 03:48:03 PM
Do you know the means by which the Knights' provisions were transported?  I would imagine the hot climes in which they traveled prohibited fresh flesh.  Perhaps it was salted and cured?

Middle Ages Food Preservation

It was important for the Medieval people of the Middle Ages to preserve food in the summer to be eaten during during the winter months. Foods which could not be preserved were only eaten when they were in season. It was not economic to keep and feed animals during the winter so animals were slaughtered in the autumn. The meat during the Middle Ages was preserved in salt. Some historians believe that pepper was also used in food preservation during the Middle Ages, however pepper was even more expensive than salt that its use for such a purpose must have been extremely limited.


The use of Salt in Middle Ages Food Preservation

There were two methods of food preservation using salt as a preservative. Dry-salting where the meat or fish was buried in salt and brine-curing where meat was soaked in salt water. Each year households prepared tubs of a thick saline bath and undertook to preserve fresh meats for the coming winter. The problem was that any food preserved in salt had a constant salt taste. Methods were therefore introduced to disguise the salty taste. Spices form the East were added to cooking recipes. These spices included Pepper, Cinnamon, Cloves, Nutmeg, Ginger, Saffron, Cardamom, Coriander, Cumin, Garlic, Turmeric, Mace, Anise, Caraway and Mustard. Food was also served with a variety of sauces which also disguised the salt taste. Salted meats and fish were generally rinsed in several changes of liquid before they were added to a dish.

Methods and Techniques of Middle Ages Food Preservation - Pickling, Gelatine, Smoking
There were several other methods used during the process of Medieval food preservation:

   

      Pickling - Pickling in a salt brine was the standard method of preserving meats and fish. Typical pickling agents included brine (high in salt) and vinegar
 

      Gelatine - Jelly or gelatine was used for preserving cooked meat or fresh fish. Food may be preserved by cooking in a material, such as gelatine, that solidifies to form a gel. Some foods naturally form a protein gel when cooked such as eels
   

      Smoked Food - Wood smoked food was a method use to preserve pork or fish
   

      Drying - Most meats and fruit can be preserved through the drying process. Drying is also the normal means of preservation for cereal grains such as wheat, oats, barley and rye.
   

      Candies - Fruits & nuts could be candied in order to prolong their life
   

      Honey - Was used a preservative in mead

Principle of Middle Ages Food Preservation
The principle of food preservation was to treat food in such a way as to safely stop, or slow down, the spoilage of  food. The preservation methods require the food to be sealed after treatment.


Source: The Middle Ages Website


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 03, 2008, 01:34:17 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 02, 2008, 03:13:14 AM

  Gelatine - Jelly or gelatine was used for preserving cooked meat or fresh fish. Food may be preserved by cooking in a material, such as gelatine, that solidifies to form a gel. Some foods naturally form a protein gel when cooked such as eels
  



EWWWWWWWW  JUST THE THOUGHT OF JELLIED MEAT YUCK :(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 04, 2008, 08:17:21 AM
Are you kidding me??? Nothing says "Mmmmm....Mmmmm" like a bowl of jellied fish! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/chowtime.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 04, 2008, 08:49:18 AM
 :( i just get a picture of nasty ewey goewy fish is this blob of grayish jelly
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 09:04:28 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 04, 2008, 08:49:18 AM
:( i just get a picture of nasty ewey goewy fish is this blob of grayish jelly

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 09:06:40 AM
And now, on a more serious note, I thought I would add the stuff I've compiled from WIKI, and start a "Meet the Masters" of the Temple post.

Here goes....... ;D

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 09:16:01 AM
Each man who held the position of Grand Master of the Knights Templar was the supreme commander of the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (also known as the Knights Templar). While many Grand Masters chose to hold the position for life, abdication was not unknown. Some masters chose to leave for life in monasteries or diplomacy. Grand Masters often led their knights into battle on the front line and the numerous occupational hazards of battle made some their office durations very short.  ;)

Grand Masters
1.   Hugues de Payens (1118-1136)
2.   Robert de Craon (1136-1147)
3.   Everard des Barres (1147-1149)
4.   Bernard de Tremelay (1149-1153)
5.   André de Montbard (1153-1156)
6.   Bertrand de Blanchefort (1156-1169)
7.   Philippe de Milly (1169-1171)
8.   Odo de St Amand  (1171-1179)
9.   Arnold of Torroja (1181-1184)
10.   Gérard de Ridefort  (1185-1189)
11.   Robert de Sablé (1191-1193)
12.   Gilbert Horal (1193-1200)
13.   Phillipe de Plessis (1201-1208)
14.   Guillaume de Chartres (1209-1219)
15.   Pedro de Montaigu (1218-1232)
16.   Armand de Périgord (1232-1244)
17.   Richard de Bures (Disputed) (1244/5-1247)[1]
18.   Guillaume de Sonnac (1247-1250)
19.   Renaud de Vichiers (1250-1256)
20.   Thomas Bérard (1256-1273)
21.   Guillaume de Beaujeu (1273-1291)
22.   Thibaud Gaudin (1291-1292)
23.   Jacques de Molay (1292-1314)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 09:16:37 AM
Hugues de Payens

Hugues de Payens was probably born at Château Payns, about 10 km from Troyes, in Champagne. He was originally a vassal of Count Hugh of Champagne, whom he accompanied on the First Crusade. It is likely that Hugues served in the army of Godfroi de Boullion during the Crusade. Count Hugh of Champagne visited Jerusalem for a second time in 1108, accompanied by Hugues, who remained there after he returned to France. He organized the original nine monk-knights to defend pilgrims to the Holy Land in response to the call to action of Pope Urban II.
De Payens approached King Baldwin II of Jerusalem with eight knights, two of whom were brothers and all of whom were his relatives by either blood or marriage, in order to form the first of the Knights Templar.
The other knights were Godfrey de Saint-Omer, Payen de Montdidier, Archambaud de St. Agnan, Andre de Montbard, Geoffrey Bison, and two men recorded only by the names of Rossal and Gondamer. The ninth knight remains unknown, although some have speculated that it was Count Hugh of Champagne himself.

As Grand Master, he led the Order for almost twenty years until his death, helping to establish the Order's foundations as an important and influential international military and financial institution.
On his visit to England and Scotland in 1128, he raised men and money for the Order, and also founded their first House in London and another near Edinburgh at Balantrodoch [1], now known as Temple, Midlothian.
He died in Palestine in 1136 and was succeeded as Grand Master by Robert de Craon.


Robert de Craon

Robert de Craon (died January 13, 1147) was the second Grand Master of the Knights Templar, from June 1136 until his death.

He was born around the turn of the 12th century, the youngest of the three sons of Renaud de Craon. He settled in Aquitaine and was engaged to the daughter of the lord of Angoumois, but gave up his fiancée and travelled to Palestine after learning of the foundation of the Templar Order by Hughes de Payens. He soon showed his military valour and his piety, and in 1136, after the death of Hughes, he was chosen as the new Grand Master. He proved to be a brilliant organizer and legislator, and turned the Order into a major force in the Crusader states. On March 29, 1139, Pope Innocent II issued the bull Omne Datum Optimum, which exempted the order from tithes and made them independent of any ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The Templars were also granted the habit of a red cross over a white tunic, which has since become the popular image of any crusader.

He was less fortunate as a military leader. As soon as he had been elected, he defeated Zengi, the emir of Aleppo and let his knights plunder the enemy camp; Zengi returned and destroyed the unorganized pillagers. Robert authorized the Spanish Templars to lead a naval expedition of about 70 ships against Lisbon, but this also ended in defeat. In 1140 the Templars resisted a numerically superior Turkish army at the Battle of Tecua. In 1143, after protracted negotiations between Raymond Berenguer IV (the Count of Barcelona and a Templar) the order's mission on the Iberian peninsula was defined. According to William of Tyre, Robert participated in the Council of Acre during the Second Crusade in 1148, but according to the Obituary of Reims, he died in January of 1147, and was succeeded by Everard des Barres in April of that year.


Everard des Barres

Everard des Barres (died 1174) was the third Grand Master of the Knights Templar from 1147 to 1151.

As Preceptor of the Templars in France from 1143, he was one of the highest dignitaries of the Order when Robert de Craon died in 1147. He was chosen to succeed Robert, and as soon as he was elected, he accompanied Louis VII of France on the Second Crusade, and was among those sent ahead to Constantinople before Louis' arrival there. He later saved Louis during a battle with the Seljuk Turks in Pisidia.

According to the chronicler Odo of Deuil, Everard was extremely pious and valiant. He seems to have had a strong influence on Louis. After the failure of the crusade at the Siege of Damascus in 1148, Louis returned to France, followed by Everard, who was in charge of the king's treasury. Everard's Templars stayed behind and helped defend Jerusalem against a Turkish raid in 1149.

Back in France, Everard abdicated officially in 1151 and became a monk at Clairvaux, despite the protests of the Templars. He was succeeded by Bernard de Tremelay (who actually led the Order since Everard's departure in 1149) and died in 1174.


Bernard de Tremelay

Bernard de Tramelay (died August 16, 1153) was the fourth Grand Master of the Knights Templar.

He was born in the castle of Tramelay near Saint-Claude in the Jura. According to Du Cange, he succeeded a certain Hugues as Master of the Temple, although this Hugues is otherwise unknown. He was elected Grand Master in June of 1151, after the abdication of Everard des Barres, who had returned to France following the Second Crusade. King Baldwin III of Jerusalem granted him the ruined city of Gaza, which Bernard rebuilt for the Templars.

In 1153 the Templars participated in the Battle of Ascalon, a fortress at that time controlled by Egypt. The Templars constructed a siege tower, which was burned down by the Egyptian soldiers inside Ascalon. The wind caught the flames and part of the walls of Ascalon burned down as well.

According to William of Tyre, knights of the Order rushed through the breach without Baldwin's knowledge while Bernard prevented other crusaders from following, as he did not want to share the spoils of the city with the king. Bernard and about forty of his Templars were killed by the larger Egyptian garrison. Their bodies were displayed on the ramparts and their heads were sent to the sultan. Other more modern accounts say that William of Tyre's version may have been distorted, since it may have been based on the defensive accounts given by the army's commanders as to why they did not follow the Templars into the breach.

In yet another differing account by a Damascene chronicler in the city, the breach of the wall is mentioned as a pre-cursor to the fall of the city; he makes no mention of the incident with the Templars.

Regardless of which account is believed, Bernard was killed and beheaded during the fighting.

A few days later, Baldwin captured the fortress; shortly thereafter, the Templars elected André de Montbard as their Grand Master.

André de Montbard

André de Montbard (c. 1103-January 17, 1156) was the fifth Grand Master of the Knights Templar and also one of the new founders of the Order.

The Montbard family came from Hochadel in Burgundy, and André was an uncle of St. Bernard of Clairvaux, being a half-brother of Bernard's mother Aleth de Montbard[1]. He entered the Order in 1129 and went to Palestine, where he quickly rose to the rank of seneschal, deputy and second-in-command to the Grand Master. After the Siege of Ascalon on August 22, 1153, André was elected Grand Master to replace Bernard de Tremelay, who had been killed during an assault on the city on August 16.

He died on January 17, 1156, in Jerusalem and was succeeded by Bertrand de Blanchefort.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 09:17:10 AM
Bertrand de Blanchefort

Bertrand de Blanchefort or Blanquefort was the sixth Grand Master of the Knights Templar, from 1156 until his death in 1169. He is known as a great reformer of the order.

He was born around 1109, although no exact date is recorded. The Obituary at Reims gives his death as 2nd January 1169. He was the youngest of a family of boys, the children of Lord Godfrey de Blanchefort of Guyenne. He trained in combat from a young age, but during his time as Grand Master, placed more emphasis on reform and negotiation. This helped to foster the Templars image as guardians, not brutes.

His earliest action as Grand Master was with Baldwin III of Jerusalem, with whom he fought against Nur ad-Din. However, he was taken prisoner after Baldwin was defeated at Banyas in 1157. The defeat allowed an ambush to be set for Blanchefort, who had dismissed his Frankish soldiers after battle ceased. He was held in captivity for three years in Aleppo before being released to Byzantine emperor Manuel I Comnenus when the emperor made peace with Nur ad-Din.

Bertrand accompanied King Amalric I during the expedition against Egypt in 1163. The expedition ended in failure, despite the considerable numbers the Christians could draw upon. Bertrand refused to participate in a second expedition in 1168, as heavy losses were almost certain.

Blanchefort petitioned the Pope to use the title, "Master by Grace of God", which fitted the Templar's position as rising stars in the church, a favor which Rome gladly granted. His internal reforms were more important however. He wrote the "Retraits", which established structure within the order. This meant knights had clearer roles and protocols. He also established checks within the leaderships of the order, which stopped future Grand Masters deciding the direction of the Templars, without the backing of the knights. His work on creating negotiating roles within the order is also worth noting. After the failed expedition to Egypt, it was the Templars that helped draw up a peace treaty.


Philip of Milly

Philip of Milly, also known as Philip of Nablus (c. 1120-April 3, 1171) was the seventh Grand Master of the Knights Templar.

Philip was the son of Guy of Milly, a knight from Picardy who participated in the First Crusade, and his (possibly second) wife Stephanie of Flanders. Guy and Stephanie had three sons, all born in the Holy Land, of whom Philip was probably the oldest. He was first mentioned as Guy's son in 1138, and must have become lord of Nablus sometime between that date and 1144, when his name next appears. By this time he had also married his wife Isabella.

As lord of Nablus, Philip became one of the most influential barons in the Kingdom of Jerusalem. In 1144, Queen Melisende sent him to relieve the siege of Edessa, but he arrived after the city had already fallen. In 1148, upon the arrival of the Second Crusade, Philip participated in the council held at Acre, where he and the other native barons were overruled and the ill-fated decision to attack Damascus was made.

Along with the powerful Ibelin family, into which his half-sister Helvis had married, Philip was a supporter of Melisende during her conflict with her son Baldwin III. In the division of the kingdom in 1151, Melisende gained control of the southern part of the kingdom, including Nablus. Despite this arrangement, Philip seems to have been completely loyal to Baldwin, participating in the king's capture of Ascalon in 1153 and the relief of Banyas in 1157.

In July of 1161, as Melisende lay dying, Philip exchanged the lordship of Nablus with Baldwin III in order to become lord of Oultrejordain. This allowed Baldwin to regain control of the southern half of the kingdom while his mother was in no condition to oppose him, but he was probably also aiming to strengthen Oultrejordain with a powerful and loyal baron. Baldwin died in 1163 and was succeeded by his brother Amalric, who was a friend of Philip and a fellow supporter of Melisende during the earlier struggle in 1151.

Philip's personal life is largely a mystery, but it is known that sometime after he became lord of Oultrejordain, he made a pilgrimage the monastery of St. Catherine's on Mount Sinai. With his wife Isabella he had a son, Rainier (who predeceased him), and two daughters, Helena and Stephanie. Isabella died probably in 1166, which apparently caused Philip to take vows as a brother of the Knights Templar. His lands were inherited by his elder daughter, Helena, wife of Walter III of Brisebarre, lord of Beirut, and (after her death in 1168) by her daughter, Beatrice of Brisebarre.

Philip joined Amalric's invasion of Egypt in 1167. The Ibelin family later recalled an event during the siege of Bilbeis, in which Philip saved the life of Hugh of Ibelin, who had broken his leg when his horse fell in a ditch, although the veracity of this story is unknown. The Templars as a whole refused to support Amalric's invasion, and the king blamed them for the failure of the expedition. After the death of their Grand Master Bertrand de Blanchefort in January of 1169, Amalric pressured them to elect Philip in his place, which they did in August of that year. Not much is known about Philip's time as Grand Master, although he likely led the defense of Templar-held Gaza when Saladin, who had gained control of Egypt in 1169, attacked the city in 1170.

For unknown reasons he resigned as Grand Master in 1171, and was succeeded by Odo de St Amand. Philip accompanied Amalric to Constantinople as ambassador to the Byzantine Empire in order to restore good relations with them after the failure of the Egyptian invasion. He probably died on April 3, before reaching Constantinople.

Odo de St Amand

Odo de St. Amand was the 8th Grand Master of the Knights Templar, between 1171 and 1179.

St Amand was born to a family from Limousin, France. He was Marshal of Jerusalem and later Viscount. He was a headstrong leader of the order, which earned him praise and resentment in equal measure. An example of this can be found 1172. When a Templar knight, Gauthier du Maisnil, was accused of murdering an Islamic dignitary by King Amaury I, St. Amand refused to hand him over. He cited the Papal Bull which stipulated the only power over the Templars was Rome.

St. Amand took part in several expeditions during his time as Grand Master. He spearheaded military action in Naplouse, Jericho and Djerach, scoring considerable victories with the Templars. Perhaps his finest hour was at the battle of Montgisard, where his knights convincingly defeated a superior detachment of Saladin's army.
In March 1179, St Amand oversaw the construction of the Chastellet fortress. Its position and impregnability made it a thorn in Saladin's side and he offered considerable amounts of money to have it destroyed. It was so effective that Saladin's May assault on Jerusalem in 1179 was defeated. His forces broke on the fortress's thick walls, and the fierce fighting of the Templars stationed there scored heavy losses on the Muslims. Trying to capitalize on the victory, an assault on the Islamic forces was organized, the Battle of Marj Ayun. It was spearheaded by King Baldwin IV, Raymond III of Tripoli, Odo de St Amand and Roger des Moulins. However, Saladin had regrouped and decimated the Christian forces. Baldwin IV escaped the carnage, taking with him the True Cross, but St. Amand was captured and taken hostage.

In August 1179, the new Templar fortress was captured and the knights stationed there were beheaded by the Muslim forces. St Amand died in one of Saladin's jails sometime during 1180, although no exact date survives. His release was proposed, in exchange for one Saladin's captive nephews, but negotiations came too late.

Not only were St. Amand's victories important from a military standpoint, but they were vital in gaining fresh pledges of money and resources from homeland countries in Europe. Inspired by the Templar's sensational victory at Montgisard, Renaud, Lord of Margat, donated half of the income from several of his cities to the order's cause.



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 09:17:44 AM
Arnold of Torroja

Arnold of Torroja (in Catalan, Arnau de Torroja) was the ninth Grand Master of the Knights Templar from 1181 until his death in 1184.

While no date of birth survives for Torroja, he was very old at his death, being in excess of 70 years when he was elected as Grand Master. He had served in the order for many years and was the Templar Master in both Spain and Provence.

Torroja's military career had mainly been focused on the Reconquista, fighting Muslims in Spain and Portugal. He was principally active in Aragon.His appointment as Grand Master was likely due to his image as an outsider i.e. an experienced Templar who's power base was outside the Holy Land. This appealed to the order as the previous Grand Master, Odo de St Amand, had become embroiled in Jerusalem's politics, but it did mean Torroja was inexperienced in the "political situation of the Latin States". He became the order's new leader in 1181.

During the Grand Master's reign, the Knights Hospitaller reached a new peak in their influence. There had been rivalry between orders previously, but factionalism in the face renewed Muslim pressure was unacceptable. The two Grand Masters met for mediation with Pope Lucius III and King Baldwin IV and the problems were resolved. In fact, Torroja is recorded as a skilled diplomat himself, acting as a mediator between several political groups in the East. He also conducted successful peace negotiations with Saladin after raids by Raynald of Chatillon in Transjordan.

In 1184, Torroja set out with Patriarch Heraclius and Grand Master Roger de Moulins of the Knights Hospitaller to gather European support for the Kingdom of Jerusalem. They planned to visit Italy, England and France, but he fell ill and died at Verona on September 30, 1184. He was succeeded as Grand Master by Gérard de Ridefort.

Gerard de Ridefort

Gerard of Ridefort (died October 1, 1189) was Grand Master of the Knights Templar from the end of 1184 until his death.

Gerard of Ridefort is thought probably to have been of Flemish origin, although some nineteenth-century writers suggested an Anglo-Norman background, apparently through misreading his designation as "of Bideford". It is uncertain when he arrived in the Kingdom of Jerusalem. He appears in the charter record in the service of Baldwin IV of Jerusalem in the late 1170s, and by 22 October 1179 held the rank of Marshal of the kingdom.

It seems that he expected Raymond III of Tripoli to give him the hand of an available heiress. However, when Cécile Dorel inherited her father's coastal fief of Botrun in the County of Tripoli, Raymond married her (before March 1181) to Plivain or Plivano, the nephew of a Pisan merchant, for a bride-price of 10,000 bezants. By the mid-thirteenth century, when the Old French Continuation of William of Tyre (the so-called Chronicle of Ernoul) was compiled, the story of the bride of Botrun had evolved into a fanciful legend in which Plivain's uncle put the young lady (there renamed Lucie) on the scales, and offered Raymond her weight in gold, to obtain the marriage.

Gerard fell seriously ill, after which he took vows as a Templar. By June 1183 he held the rank of seneschal of the Order. He was elected Grand Master in late 1184 or early 1185, after the death of Arnold of Torroja in Verona.

Gerard continued to hold a grudge against Raymond of Tripoli, which influenced some of his political manœuvrings. In 1186, when Baldwin V of Jerusalem died, Gerard took the side of Queen Sibylla and her husband Guy of Lusignan in the ensuing succession struggle. Raymond and his allies the Ibelin family were the leaders of the opposing faction, who supported the claim of Sibylla's younger half-sister Isabella.

In the crisis of 1187, Gerard used the money sent by Henry II of England and deposited with the Templars in Jerusalem to Jerusalem to hire additional troops for the arrière ban to defend the Kingdom of Jerusalem from Saladin. (Henry had sent the funds for his own future crusading plans, in penance for the murder of Thomas Becket: some of it was deposited with the Templars, some with the Hospitallers, in Jerusalem and Tyre). Gerard and fewer than 100 Templars, together with some Hospitallers, attacked Saladin's son al-Afdal at the Battle of Cresson; al-Afdal, however, had over 5000 men. The Hospitaller Grand Master Roger de Moulins was killed; Gerard, though wounded, was one of the few survivors. Gerard's report of the battle was the source for a short narrative written by Pope Urban III to Baldwin of Exeter, archbishop of Canterbury.

In July of the same year Gerard led the Templars at the Battle of Hattin. Saladin had captured Tiberias and Guy was contemplating a march on the city to retake it. Raymond advised him to wait for Saladin to come to them, since they were in a well-defended, well-watered position, and would have to cross a dry open plain to reach Tiberias. Gerard opposed this, and convinced Guy to continue the march. He was supported by Reginald of Chatillon, a fellow enemy of Raymond.
The Crusaders ended up trapped on the dry plain and were defeated on July 4. Raymond and several other nobles escaped, but Gerard, Guy, and Raynald were captured by Saladin. The rest of the Templar prisoners were executed. Gerard remained a prisoner until 1188, during which time his Order was commanded by Brother Thierry (Terricus) from Tyre.

Gerard was given the condition by Saladin that, if he could convince a Templar fortress to surrender peacfully, he would be set free. He succeeded and on his release went to Tortosa, where he ably led the Templars' defence of their castle, which held out after the fall of the town to Saladin's siege forces. Having taken back control of his order from Thierry, he seems to have seized the remainder of Henry II's money which had been left with the Templars in Tyre. This provoked a complaint from the city's defender, Conrad of Montferrat, in letters of 20 September 1188 to Baldwin of Exeter and Frederick Barbarossa: "...graver still, the Master of the Temple has made off with the King of England's alms".

In 1189, he again joined forces with Guy, taking the Templars to the Siege of Acre. He was either killed in battle or executed after being taken prisoner by Saladin on October 1.



Robert de Sablé

Robert de Sablé was Grand Master of the Knights Templar from 1191 to 1193 and Lord of Cyprus from 1191 to 1192.

No exact record of his birth date exists, but it is believed he was relatively old at the time of his death. He was born to a respected military family in Anjou and was "a leading Angevin vassal of the King". His Lordship was based on a cluster of lands in the River Sarthe valley, which he inherited in the 1160s. He was succeeded in Anjou by his daughter Margaret de Sablé, who by marriage passed the entire honor to William des Roches, also a knight of the Third Crusade. Robert died in the Holy land on the 23rd September 1192 or 1193.

In 1173, Robert supported Henry the Young King in a revolt against Henry II (Angevin Civil War). The uprising was crushed but Robert must have remained in favor with the Angevin Kings, as Richard I would later be instrumental in his appointment as Grand Master. He contributed money to French monastic houses in 1190 as a way of making amends.

Despite only having a short tenure, de Sable's reign was filled with campaigning, and successful campaigning at that. The might of Richard the Lion Heart's strategy, seasoned troops and the elite Templar knights scored many victories. During the 3rd Crusade, they laid siege to the city of Acre, which soon fell. Throughout August 1191, they also recaptured many fortresses and cities along the Palestinian coast, which had been lost previously.

The new coalition's finest hour was the Battle of Arsuf, September 7th 1191. Saladin's Muslim forces appeared to have become far stronger than the Christians, and a decisive victory was desperately needed. Pooling all of the crusader's strength, the Knights Hospitaller joined the ranks, plus many knights from de Sable's native Anjou, Maine, and Brittany. They met Saladin's troops on the dry plains and soon broke his ranks. Those who stayed to fight were killed, and the remaining Islamic troops were forced to retreat.
Acquisition of Cyprus

At the end of 1191, Richard Lion Heart agreed to sell Cyprus to the Templars for 25,000 pieces of silver. Richard had plundered the Island from the Byzantine forces of a rival Emperor in Cyprus some months earlier and had no real use for it. Whereas the Hospitallers would later establish solid bases in Rhodes and Malta, de Sable failed to do the same with Cyprus. He was Lord for 2 years, until he gave (or sold) the island to Guy de Lusignan, King of Jerusalem, as he was without a Kingdom.
De Sable did manage to establish a Chieftain House of the Order in Saint-Jean d'Acre, which remained for almost a century.

De Sable was lucky to have been Grand Master at all, as at the time of Gérard de Ridefort's death, he was not even a member of the Templar Order. However, the senior knights had become increasingly opposed to Masters fighting on the front line, and the capture and beheading of Grand Master Gerard de Ridefort became the final straw. They delayed elections for over a year so that the rules regarding active service of Grand Masters could be reviewed. During this hiatus, de Sable did join the order, just in time to be considered for election. When he was made Grand Master, he had been a Templar knight for less than a year.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 09:18:16 AM
Gilbert Horal

Gilbert Horal was the 12th Grand Master of the Knights Templar.

He was born an Aragonaise (from Aragon in Spain), and entered the Templars at a young age. He stayed in the provinces of Provence and Aragon, where he took part in the battles of Reconquista, and became Grand Master of the province until 1190. In 1193, after the death of Robert de Sablé, he became Grand Master of the Order, and in 1194, Pope Céléstin III gave the Templars more privileges.

Horal was known for wanting peace between the Christians and the Moslems, though some disagreed and thought that this showed treason and collusion with the enemy.
During his leadership the quarrel between the Templars and Hospitaliers increased. The arbitration of Pope Innocent III was in favour of the Hospitaliers because the Pope could not forgive the Templars for making the agreements that they had with Malek-Adel, brother of Saladin.

Another of Gilbert Horal's accomplishments was that he took the time to organize and consolidate the possessions of the Templars in France and Apulia.

In Spain, the Templars took an active part in the Reconquista, and were given the fortress of Alhambra by Alfonso II of Aragon as a reward for their efforts in the battle.

He died in December 1200.


Phillipe de Plessis

Phillipe de Plessis (1165 – 1209) was the 13th Grand Master of the Knights Templar.

He was born in the fortress of Plessis-Macé, Anjou, France. In 1189 he joined the Third Crusade as a simple knight, and discovered the Order of the Temple in Palestine. After the death of Gilbert Horal he became Grand Master. He helped uphold the treaty between Saladin and Richard I. In the renewal of this treaty in 1208 he suggested that the Teutonic Order and Hospitallers should make a new peace treaty offer with Malek-Adel. The accord was criticised by Pope Innocent III.

There were few military actions during his rule; the Fourth Crusade never arrived in the Holy Land. The German King was in opposition to the Knights regarding the Gastein stronghold. The Templars were initially expelled from Germany, but the pope intervened in the dispute.

Relations with the Hospitaliers were tense. During his rule the Order of the Temple reached its greatest height in Europe.

His name is last documented in 1209. The Obituary of Reims gives the date of his death as November 12, 1209.

Guillaume de Chartres

Guillaume de Chartres, Prince of the Cistercian Principality of Seborga, was a grand master of the Knights Templar 1210 – 26 August 1218.

In 1210, he assisted at the coronation of Jean de Brienne as King of Jerusalem. In 1211, he arbitrated between Leo II of Armenia and the Templars, regarding the castle of Bagras. During his rule, the order flourished in Spain, achieving important victories against the Moors.

Guillaume died of pestilence, (possibly endemic typhus), secondary to being wounded during the siege of Damietta, in Seborga in the Holy Land.


Pedro de Montaigu

Pedro de Montaigu was Grand Master of the Knights Templar from 1218 to 1232.

He took part in the Fifth Crusade and was against the Sultan of Egypt's conditions for raising the siege of Damietta. He was Master of the French Aragon province from 1211, until his death.

A close friend of Guillaume de Chartres, it was most likely the trust the previous Grand Master had in him which meant he himself was elected so quickly in 1218. At the same time, the Grand Master of the Knights Hospitaller was Guerin de Montaigu, who is likely to have been Pedro's brother. The close relationship between the two military orders during this period was probably a result of this.

His actions against the Muslim forces working for the liberation of Jerusalem were so effective, that they were forced to propose a surrender. In return for the Templars calling off their siege at Damietta, the Islamic forces would return many Frankish soldiers, halt attacks on Jerusalem and most importantly, return the part of the True Cross, captured from the Europeans at the Battle of Hattin. Catholic pressure meant the Muslim terms were refused and the carnage continued. His military victories, aided by the Hospitaller knights, made him a renowned warrior.


Armand de Périgord

Armand de Périgord (or Hermann de Pierre-Grosse) (1178 – 1247?) was a descendant of the Counts of Périgord and a Grand Master of the Knights Templar.

He was master of the Province of Apulia and Sicily from 1205 to 1232. In 1232, he was elected Grand Master of the Templars. He organized attacks on Cana, Safita, and Sephoria, and against the Muslim positions around the Sea of Galilee. All of these expeditions were failures and diminished the Templars' effectiveness.

In 1236, on the border between Syria and Cilicia, 120 knights, along with some archers and Turcopoles, were ambushed near the town of Darbsâk (Terbezek). In the first phase of the battle, the Templars reached the town but they met fierce resistance. When reinforcements from Aleppo arrived, the Templars were massacred. Fewer than twenty of them returned to their castle in Bagras, fifteen km from the battle.

In September 1239, Armand arrived at Acre. He made a treaty with Sultan of Damascus, in parallel with the Hospitaller treaty with the Sultan of Egypt. In 1244 the Sultan of Damascus demanded that the Templars help repel the Khwarezmians from Asia Minor. In October 1244, the Templars, Hospitallers and Teutonic Knights, together with the Sultan of Damas, confronted with Sultan of Egypt and his Khwarezmian allies at the Battle of La Forbie. The Christian-Muslim coalition was defeated, with more than 30,000 deaths. Some Templars and Hospitallers reached Ascalon, still in Christian hands. Armand de Périgord may have been killed during the battle, but may have been captured and survived until 1247.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 09:19:50 AM
Richard de Bures

Richard de Bures may have been seventeenth Grand Master of the Knights Templar, from 1245 to 1247, although many sources make no mention of him. It is likely he simply acted as a Master during Perigord's captivity.




Guillaume de Sonnac

Guillaume de Sonnac was Grand Master of the Knights Templar from 1247 to 1250.

Sonnac was born to a noble family in the French region of Rouergue. No date of birth survives for the Grand Master. He was described by Matthew Paris as "a discreet and circumspect man, who was also skilled and experienced in the affairs of war".
De Sonnac was an established member of the order before his election as Grand Master. He was the Preceptor of Aquitaine in France for the Templars and arrived in the Holy Land around autumn of 1247, finding "the remnants of the Kingdom of Jerusalem in a precarious state. Grand Master Armand de Périgord had been taken prisoner at the Battle of La Forbie in 1244, and after negotiations for his release failed two years later, De Sonnac was proposed as a replacement. Before his first year in the East was out, he was the order's new leader.

De Sonnac's tenure was a particularly violent one. By 1247, the Christians had lost power bases in Tiberias, Mount Tabor, Belvoir and Ascalon. This prompted a fresh campaign ( Seventh Crusade) from King Louis IX of France, who landed at Limassol, Cyprus on 17 September 1248. De Sonnac sailed from Acre to meet him and make preparations. Shortly after, the new Grand Master received an Emir from the Sultan, offering the crusaders a peace deal. De Sonnac related this to the French King, who ordered him to cease any negotiations without gaining Royal permission first. This ensured the new campaign would be concluded with violence, not diplomacy.

On 5 June 1249, the French crusader army, combined with de Sonnac and his Templar knights, attempted to land in Egypt. They targeted Damietta, just as the Fifth Crusade had years earlier. Fighting on the Egyptian beaches was heavy and the King fought in waist-high water alongside the troops. After a prolonged battle, the Muslims were forced to retreat, leaving the city almost undefended. The next day the de Sonnac wrote to Robert of Sandford, telling how on the morning after the battle, Damietta had been seized with only one crusader casualty.
At the end of November, de Sonnac and King Louis began their march to Cairo, via Mansurah.

De Sonnac's next engagement was at the Battle of Mansurah, for the city containing the area's defensive force, the last obstacle to central Egypt. The Muslims had been protected by the swollen Nile, but on 8 February 1250, a local Bedouin showed them where they could cross. De Sonnac, Robert of Artois, the King's brother and William II Longespee, leader of the English troops, launched an assault on the Muslim force without the main Frankish army. Taken by surprise, the Egyptians quickly retreated from the riverbank into the city and the Count foolishly gave chase, outnumbered and with no back-up from the bulk of the French forces.

John of Joinville claimed that the Count meant to follow on his own and that the rest of the raiding party did so as to not look cowardly. The Templars "thought that they would be dishonored if they allowed the Count to go before them". However, another source, Matthew Paris, reported that de Sonnac was forced into the assault by the Count. Robert was "bellowing and swearing disgracefully as is the French custom", and blaming the Templars and other religious orders for causing the real downfall of the Kingdom. Disgusted, de Sonnac returned to his men and prepared to chase down the numerically superior enemy.

Whatever the fact, the three commanders charged into Mansurah with tired men and no reinforcements and were quickly drawn into heavy fighting. Completely surrounded, "like an island in the sea", de Sonnac refused to surrender and his Templars fought to the last man. Earl Longespee was killed in the fighting, and the Count either fell in combat or drowned fleeing to safety. De Sonnac's escape from the city would make him a famous warrior, when many had considered him more suited to diplomacy. With heavy wounds, only one eye and two remaining knights of the original 280, he fought through the Egyptian army and out of the city, where he found the main Frankish army. He refused to rest and after receiving medical attention he returned and helped repulse a Muslim raiding party.

The Christian forces camped outside the city and were under constant attack. A major assault was launched by the Muslims on 6 April (Battle of Fariskur)
and de Sonnac joined the Frankish charge to meet the enemy. Fighting with an eyepatch he fought along the riverbank until he was finally overwhelmed by the attackers. Blinded fully by a second injury to the head, he was hacked down and killed by Muslim troops.

"Next to the troops of Walter of Chatillon was brother Sonnac, Master of the Templars, with those few brothers that had survived Tuesday's battle. He had built a defence in front of him with the Saracen engines which we had captured. When the Saracens came to attack him, they threw Greek fire onto the barrier he had made; and the fire caught easily, for the Templars had put a large quantity of deal planks there. And you should know that the Turks did not wait for the fire to burn itself out, but rushed upon the Templars among the scorching flames. And in this battle, Brother William (Guillaume), Master of the Templars, lost an eye; and he had lost the other on the previous Shrove Tuesday; and that Lord died as a consequence, may God absolve him! And you should know that there was at least an acre of land behind the Templars, which was so covered with arrows fired by the Saracens, that none of the ground could be seen"

It was the death of a man who sought peace where possible, but fought ferociously on the battlefield. He was succeeded as Grand Master by Renaud de Vichiers.

De Sonnac was the first Grand Master to formerly record the intricacies of the Templar hierarchy. He added this to existing archives, codified them and stored them in a safe place so that the order would have accurate records in future years. It is certainly ironic that, for a man responsible for creating the order's most in-depth records, there is no indication of when he was born.


Renaud de Vichiers

Renaud de Vichiers was the 19th Grand Master of the Knights Templar, from 1250 to 1256.

He was a supporter and comrade-in-arms of Louis IX of France, who helped him be elected Master. He shortly quarreled with Louis, though, over a diplomatic mission of Hugues de Jouy, the Templar Marshal, to Damascus. In 1252 Hugues was banished from the Kingdom of Jerusalem.


Thomas Bérard

Thomas Bérard (also Béraud or Bérault) was the 20th Grand Master of the Knights Templar, from 1256 to 1273.

He wrote several letters to the King Henry III of England describing miserable situation in the Holy Land. He initiated cooperation with other two military orders since there had been much rivalry among them before. This was agreed upon by their Grand Masters: Hugo de Revel of Hospitaliers and Anno von Sangershausen of Teutonic Knights. In 1266 the large Templar fortress Safed was besieged by Egyptian Mameluks after a failed attempt to conquer Pilgrim's Castle. It appears that the garrison were betrayed by a hired Syrian soldier. All Templars (Hospitallers as well) were beheaded after they refused to convert to Islam. Other fortresses fell next, among them Beaufort, only recently acquired by the Templars. Also, the city of Antioch fell to Baybars (the Mamluk commander) and was never again held by Christian forces. The fall of Antioch left Templar fortresses in Amman's mountains easily accessible to attackers. Gaston, an immensely strong fortification on the road to Syria, was defended only by a small Templar garrison. Nevertheless they decided to hold the fortress. They were betrayed by one of the brothers. Meanwhile the Grand Master Thomas Bérard sent a messenger carrying an order to retreat to La Roche Guillaume. In February 1271, Chastel Blanc surrendered on orders of the Grand Master Thomas Bérard with permission to retreat to Tortosa. In June, however, Montfort, the last inland fortification of Christians in the Holy Land, was yielded.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 09:20:09 AM


Guillaume de Beaujeu

Guillaume de Beaujeu, also known as William of Beaujeu was the 21st Grand Master of the Knights Templar, from 1273 until his death during the siege of Acre in 1291.

At one point during the siege, he dropped his sword and walked away from the walls. His knights remonstrated. Beaujeu replied: "Je ne m'enfuis pas; je suis mort. Voici le coup." ("I'm not running away; I am dead. Here is the blow.") He raised his arm to show the mortal wound he had received.




Thibaud Gaudin

Thibaud Gaudin (1229? – April 16, 1292) was the Grand Master of the Knights Templar from August 1291 until his death in April 1292.

The history of Thibaud Gaudin within the Order is rather mysterious. Born to a noble family in the area of Chartres or Blois, France, he entered the Knights Templars well before 1260, because on that date he was taken prisoner during an attack on Tiberias. His great piety was deemed worthy of the nickname of "Gaudin Monk".

In 1279, Sir Thibaud fulfills the function of "Commander of the Land of Jerusalem", the fourth most important function in the Templar hierarchy. In 1291, he rides at the side of Guillaume de Beaujeu to defend the town of Acre, besieged by the formidable army of Mamluk Sultan Al-Ashraf Khalil. On 18 May, upon the death of Guillaume de Beaujeu, Gaudin remains in the city of Acre in garrison with some 500. Thibaud Gaudin and Pierre de Sevry, Marshal of the Order, are the last two knights of the Temple who continue to defend Acre. Al-Ashraf Khalil sends messengers to the defenders of the castle of the Temple in order to negotiate an honorable outcome. Thibaud Gaudin and Pierre de Sevry agree to yield to the conditions dictated by the sultan and let a detachment of Moslem riders into their enclosure. As soon as the soldiers entered, they caught some French women. Thinking that to be a treasonous act, Thibaud Gaudin and Pierre de Sevry ordered the Moslems be thrown of the walls. The two dignitaries decide that Thibaud Gaudin will leave the city by sea, carrying the treasures of the Temple, while Pierre de Sevry will continue the combat. Acre falls the following day.

Thibaud Gaudin arrives at Sidon with some knights where he is elected Master and decides to defend the city as long as possible. Just before the arrival of emir Al-Shujâ' I, the inhabitants evacuate the city and take refuge behind the walls of the Templar castle. With the assistance of Cypriots, the majority of the inhabitants and garrison evacuate the fortress to take refuge in Cyprus. Arriving at Cyprus, Thibaud Gaudin tries to gather reinforcements but they never reach the Holy Land. Sidon falls to the Moslems on July 14, 1291. The last French strongholds in the Kingdom of Jerusalem fall one by one. Beirut is taken on July 21, the area of Kaifa is invaded and the monasteries of Carmel destroyed on July 30. In early August, the Franks hold nothing more than two fortified towns, both occupied by Templars. Tortose is evacuated on August 3 and Castle-Pélerin on August 14. By then, all Templars are located in Cyprus in Ruad in the south of Tortose, which will remain in their hands until 1303.

In October 1291, a general chapter of the Order meets in Cyprus. This meeting confirms the election of Thibaud Gaudin as Grand Master and names new dignitaries in the important positions within the hierarchy of the Order. On that occasion, Jacques de Molay was named Marshal, to succeed Pierre de Sevry, who died at Acre. Thibaud Gaudin tried to reorganize all the Templars after the devastations of the recent battles. Moreover, it was necessary for him to defend of the Kingdom of Armenia from the encircled Turkish Seldjoukides and the island of Cyprus, occupied by a multitude of refugees. Apparently the task proved daunting for Thibaud Gaudin; he died of exhaustion at the beginning of the year 1292, leaving an enormous rebuilding task for his successor.





Jacques de Molay

Jacques de Molay (est. 1244–5/1249–50 – 18 March 1314), a minor Burgundian noble, served as the 23rd and officially last Grand Master of the Knights Templar.

He is probably the best known Templar besides the order's founder and first grand master, Hugues de Payens. Upon his election before 20 April 1292, he promised to reform the order and adjust it to the situation in the Holy Land. With no crusader states remaining to protect and with other problems surfacing, the right of the order to exist was in question. However, he was unable to lead the Templars through the inquisitions made against them and was burned at the stake on the Île de la Cité, an island in the Seine river in Paris on 18 March 1314. The execution was ordered by Philip IV after Jacques retracted all of his previous confessions, which outraged the French king. Nothing is known about two thirds of his life.

Jacques de Molay's exact date of birth is in some doubt, but when interrogated by the judges in Paris, 24 October 1307, he stated that he entered the order forty-two years earlier, which would mean in 1265. The common imperial age for joining an order was minimum 20 years of age, and thus he most likely would have been born in 1244 or 1245. However, there exist several documents proving that men younger than 20-21 years were accepted into the order, hence the birth year confusion. An interesting fact involves that when questioned about the same thing in August the following year by the Pope's envoys at Chinon, he again told he was received into the order forty-two years earlier, i.e. 1266. Jacques de Molay was born into, most likely, a family of minor nobility, as most of the Templars were, at Molay (Haute-Saône) in the county of Burgundy, at the time ruled by Otto III.

He was received into the order at Beaune by Humbert de Pairaud, the Visitor of France and England in 1265. Independently of Guillaume de Beaujeu, who was elected grand master in 1273, Jacques de Molay went to the East (Outremer) around 1270. He spent all his career as a Templar in the East, although he is mentioned to be in France in 1285. It is not known if he held any offices in either the West or the East, or if he was present when Acre, the last crusader city and capital of the Latin kingdom fell in May 1291 to the Mamluks.
   
After the fall of Acre, the Franks who were able retreated to Cyprus, this including Jacques de Molay and Thibaud Gaudin, the 22nd Grand Master of the Temple. During a meeting assembled on the island in the autumn of 1291, J. de Molay spoke and pointed to himself as an alternative and reformer of the order. Before 16 April 1292 Gaudin died, leaving the mastership open for Jacques de Molay, as there were no other serious contenders for the role at the time. The election took place before 20 April, as a document in the archives of the Crown of Aragon attests and recognizes Jacques de Molay as the Knights Templar's new grand master by then.

Once elected, the rapid establishment of the command of the order was meant to deal with the most serious matters first. These were the subjects of Cyprus and Armenia of Cilicia, which both were under the threat of an attack from the Mamluks. In spring 1293 he began a tour to the West which brought him to Provence, Catalonia, Italy, England and France. There he settled several local and internal problems, but mainly the goal was to ask for help from the western rulers and the Church in the reconquest of the Holy Land, strengthening the defence of Cyprus and the rebuilding of Templar forces. Talk of a crusade was even at hand, but a more troubling issue was brought upon de Molay, the merging of the orders of the Temple and the Hospital, an idea he was opposed to and would continue to be against. He held two general meetings of his order at Montpellier in 1293 and at Arles in 1296, where he tried to make reforms. During his journey, Jacques de Molay made a close relationship with Pope Boniface VIII and relationships of trust with Edward I of England, James I of Aragon and Charles II of Naples. Nothing is known of his relationship with Philip IV of France.

In the autumn of 1296 de Molay was back in Cyprus to defend his order against the interests of Henry II of Cyprus, which conflict had its roots back in the days of Guillaume de Beaujeu.

From 1299 to 1303 de Molay promoted cooperation with the Mongols against the Mamluks. The plan was to coordinate actions between the Christian military orders, the King of Cyprus, the aristocracy of Cyprus and Little Armenia and the Mongols of the khanate of Ilkhan (Persia).

In 1298 or 1299, Jacques de Molay halted a further Mamluk invasion with military force in Armenia possibly because of the loss of Roche-Guillaume, the last Templar stronghold in Cilicia, to the Mamluks. However, when the Mongol khan of Persia, Ghâzân, defeated the Mamluks in the Battle of Wadi al-Khazandar in December 1299, the Christian forces were not ready to take an advantage of the situation.

In 1300, Jacques de Molay and other forces from Cyprus put together a fleet of 16 ships which committed raids along the Egyptian and Syrian coasts. The force was commanded by King Henry II of Jerusalem, the king of Cyprus, accompanied by his brother, Amalric, Lord of Tyre the heads of the military orders, and the ambassador of the Mongol leader Ghazan. The ships left Famagusta on July 20, 1300, to raid the coasts of Egypt and Syria: Rosette, Alexandria, Acre, Tortosa, and Maraclea, before returning to Cyprus. The raids along the way were directed by Admiral Baudoin de Picquigny, and when the raids took place at Alexandria, they were able to free Christian prisoners who had been captive since the Fall of Acre in 1291.

The ships then returned to Cyprus, and prepared for an attack on Tortosa in late 1300. The Cypriots sent a joint force to a staging area on the island of Ruad, from which raids were launched on Tortosa, while awaiting the arrival of the Mongols. However, Ghazan's forces were delayed, and the Crusader forces ended up returning to Cyprus, leaving a garrison on Ruad. When Ghazan did arrive in February 1301, he was only able to engage in some minor raids before having to withdraw.

Plans for combined operations were again made for the following winter offensive. A letter has been kept from Jacques de Molay to Edward I, and dated April 8, 1301, informing him of the troubles encountered by Ghazan, but announcing that Ghazan was supposed to come in Autumn:

"And our convent, with all our galleys and 'tarides' [light galleys][lacuna] has been transported to the isle of Tortosa to await Ghazan's army and his Tartars."
—Jacques de Molay, letter to Edward I, April 8, 1301

And in a letter to the king of Aragon a few months later:

"The king of Armenia had sent his messengers to the king of Cyprus to tell him . . . that Ghazan was now on the point of coming to the sultan's lands with a multitude of Tartars. Knowing this, we now intend to go to the isle of Tortosa, where our convent has remained all this year with horses and arms, causing much damage to the casaux along the coast and capturing many Saracens. We intend to go there and settle in to await the Tartars."
—Jacques de Molay, letter to the king of Aragon, 1301

In November that year, De Molay joined the occupation of the tiny fortress island of Ruad (today called Arwad) which faced the Syrian town of Tortosa. The intent was to establish a bridgehead to await assistance from the Mongols, but the Mongols failed to appear in 1300. The same happened in 1301 and 1302. In September 1302 the Templars were driven out of Ruad by the attacking Mamluk forces from Egypt, and many were massacred when trapped on the island. The island of Ruad was lost in the Siege of Ruad on September 26, 1302, and when Ghâzân died in 1304 Jacques de Molay's dream of a rapid reconquest of the Holy Land was destroyed.

In 1305, the newly elected pope Clement V asked the leaders of the military orders of their opinions on a new crusade and the merging of the orders. Jacques de Molay was asked by the Pope to write two memoranda, one on each of the issues, which he did during the summer of 1306. On 6 June, the leaders were officially asked to come to Poitiers, where the Pope had his seat, to discuss these matters. The meeting at Poitiers was delayed due to the Pope's illness, unbeknownst to de Molay, who had already left Cyprus around 15 October. De Molay arrived in France in late November or early December, but nothing is known of his activities during the first five months of 1307. In the second half of May he was in Poitiers attending the meeting with the Pope. The Grand Master came into conflict with Philippe IV because he rejected the idea of merging the two orders into one with Phillipe as leader (Rex Bellator, or War King). This made more difficult the Pope's problem with the King, who wanted at all costs to condemn the memory of Boniface VIII. Also, it furthermore thwarted the attempts to get a new crusade on its way. These conflicts were weakening the Templar Order along with something that would turn out to be far more serious, something Jacques de Molay had discovered during his journey through France: scandalous and perverse rumours and whispers about the order had begun to surface. The king and his councillors, among them Guillaume de Nogaret, knew to exploit this weakness.

Jacques de Molay spoke with the king in Paris on 24 June 1307 about the accusations against his order and was partially reassured. Returning to Poitiers, he asked the pope to set up an inquiry to quickly clear the order of the rumours and accusations surrounding it. When the pope announced that an inquiry would be convened 24 August, the king acted decisively. On 14 September, in the deepest secrecy, he sent out his orders throughout all of France which resulted in the mass arrests of Templars and confiscation of their possessions in the whole country on Friday, 13 October 1307. Jacques de Molay was arrested in Paris, where he intended to be present at the funeral of Catherine of Valois.
During an interrogation by royal agents on October 24, Jacques confessed only to "denying Christ and trampling on the Cross" as a part of the initiation ritual. Jacques de Molay's possible intention was that this couldn't possibly be very harmful to the order, but when he was forced to repeat this statement in public the next day, the damage was devastating for the Templars. Making things even worse, he was made to write a letter where he expressed that every Templar should admit to these acts. Philippe IV was now in full command of the situation, and in order to regain his authority, Pope Clement V ordered the arrest of all the Templars throughout Christendom.

The pope still wanted to hear Jacques de Molay, and dispatched two cardinals to Paris in December 1307. In front of them, Jacques retracted his confessions made to the agents of Philippe IV. By then, the affair had resulted in a power struggle between the king and the pope, which was settled in August 1308, when the king and the pope agreed to split the convictions. Through the Bull Fasciens misericordiam the procedure to prosecute the Templars was set out on a duality where the first commission would judge individuals of the order and the second commission would judge the order as an entity. In practice this meant that a council seated at Vienne was to decide the future of the Temple, while the Temple dignitaries, among them Jacques de Molay, were to be judged by the Pope. In the royal palace at Chinon, Jacques de Molay was again questioned by the cardinals, but this time with royal agents present. He returned to his admissions made on 24 October 1307, after which there was silence for a year. Slowly the commissions and inquisitions were put in place, and finally, in November 1309, the Papal Commission for the Kingdom of France began its hearings. On two instances, on 26 and 28 November, Jacques explicitly stated that he did not acknowledge the accusations brought against his order. By so doing, he thus turned to a strategy of silence before the Commission, counting on the power of the church to prevail over the will of the king


By remaining silent, Jaques de Molay deprived the Templars of leadership; thereafter, the order was able to offer little resistance to the threat it faced. Any further opposition was effectively broken when the archbishop of Sens, Philippe de Marigny, sentenced 54 Templars to be burnt at the stake on 10-12 May 1310. At the Council of Vienne on 22 March 1312, the order was abolished by papal decree. Almost two years later, on March 18, 1314, three cardinals sent by the pope sentenced the Temple dignitaries Jacques de Molay, Hugues de Pairaud, Geoffroy de Charney and Geoffroy de Gonneville to life imprisonment. Realizing that all was lost, Jacques de Molay rose up and recanted. Along with Geoffroy de Charney, he proclaimed his order's innocence, before challenging the king and pope before God. Furious, Philippe IV ordered them both burned at the stake. On the eve of 18 March 1314, Jacques de Molay and Geoffroy de Charnay were taken to the Isle des Juifs, now incorporaed into the Île de la Cité, where they were executed. Note the fourteenth century print show the execution on a small island separated from the Isle de la Cite'.)


In 2002, a copy of the Chinon Parchment in the Vatican Secret Archives, a document which explicitly confirms that Pope Clement V secretly absolved Jacques de Molay and other leaders of the Order in 1308.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 04, 2008, 09:43:33 AM
Most excellent my brother!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 04, 2008, 11:55:32 AM
*a dazzling well-armored woman raises her hand in the back of the lecture hall*

"Um, Professor Monk, how many Grand Masters must we be familiar with for the exam tomorrow?"
;) :D :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 12:02:27 PM
M'lady, the answer to your question is simple.......why all of them of course.  ;)

It's not like the Orders of the Hospital and the Teutonic lads who remain in existence to this day....  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 04, 2008, 12:44:50 PM
Like Teutonic Grandmaster "Bruno Platter" ....

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..and newly appointed Hospitaller Grandmaster or Grandmaster of the Sovereign Military of Malta "Matthew Festing"

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 12:49:54 PM
Yes, exactly..... ;)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 04, 2008, 12:57:41 PM
now that's contemporary.....a Pope who smokes and is on the juice!
  :o :o

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 01:00:52 PM
That's simply the "power" of belief and commitment.  :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 04, 2008, 01:10:42 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 04, 2008, 12:57:41 PM
now that's contemporary.....a Pope who smokes and is on the juice!
  :o :o



rofl i'm in total agreement ff
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 01:33:23 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 04, 2008, 01:43:40 PM
rofl
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 04, 2008, 01:46:17 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 04, 2008, 01:00:52 PM
That's simply the "power" of belief and commitment.  :P ;) ;D

to quote our dear Brother Mikael, perhaps it's a "cursory swelling of religious fervor"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 01:52:37 PM
Yeah, yeah......that's it!!!  ;D ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 04, 2008, 02:29:53 PM
*the bewitching warrior in the back raises her hand again*

"Professor Templar, while studying the Meet the Masters material, I couldn't help but notice that Philip of Milly resigned for unknown reasons.  What is your hypothesis?"


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 02:47:29 PM
With what was laying at his feet at the time of his "departure", one would think a lack of total commitment to the ideals set forth by the Temple. There could also be something of a "Political advancement" move, since he was heading out in an ambassadorial role before he died. This leads me back to the first assumption, since Templar Masters had acted in key roles like that before and after this event. Add to that recognition, the power that was invested in a Master......why leave? Maybe he was wise enough to admit it was beyond his meager abilities to run it smoothly, or he didn't want the "head ache" as managers sometime phrase responsibility. :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 03:03:59 PM
And Ladies and gentlemen, the Master's main office:

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 04, 2008, 03:39:10 PM
If I may add. Here is another illustration that I pulled from my vault

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2008, 03:40:53 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/2495343/Knights-Templar-heirs-in-legal-battle-with-the-Pope.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 05, 2008, 03:39:38 AM
Whoa! Thats interesting.  I wondered how long it would be before someone stepped forward to claim a piece of that lost pie.  I do hope their motive is only to restore the "good name".

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 05, 2008, 07:59:48 AM
ewwww i like this pic
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 05, 2008, 12:31:09 PM
So I'm wondering, who has the limited edition life-size replica of the Chinon parchment with the soft leather case and scholarly commentary?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1567337/Da-Vinci-Code-fans-can-pay-4000-to-show-innocence-of-the-Knights-Templar.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 05, 2008, 12:46:08 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 05, 2008, 12:48:42 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 05, 2008, 12:31:09 PM
So I'm wondering, who has the limited edition life-size replica of the Chinon parchment with the soft leather case and scholarly commentary?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1567337/Da-Vinci-Code-fans-can-pay-4000-to-show-innocence-of-the-Knights-Templar.html



Not me! Actually I believe most went to libraries and institutions. I'm personally waiting for the counterfeit/paperback/pirated version to emerge on ebay someday  ;)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 05, 2008, 12:56:40 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 06, 2008, 03:13:52 AM
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I must also make note of the long sleeved robe in which the brother of the temple is sporting.



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 06, 2008, 07:41:19 AM
Back to the Spanish Association of the Sovereign Order of the Temple of Christ, that is suing the Pope for the restitution of the good name of the Templars; I find it funny that historically they were only answerable to the Pontiff, and during the trial they had stated several times that only the Pope could cast judgement on them and the trial was illegal. Now this "historically" tied Spanish Order uses the very format, a national court, to do their bidding with the Vicar of Christ.

Personally I believe the name and honor of the Temple was restored with the release of the Vatican documents back in October 2007. And in keeping with the Rule, if the Pope hasn't said anything on the reinstatement, they just have to suck it up. Unlike the other Orders, theirs was a purely military function, where as the others that survived started as healers and gained a military role in order to compete with the Templars. (don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind seeing a purely Military Order fired back up to deal a mental blow to the radical enemies in this global war on terror, but knowing how things go, they'd be handicapped by the same ROEs that current forces have to operate under, so their physical impact would be negligible)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 06, 2008, 08:46:57 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 06, 2008, 07:41:19 AM
Personally I believe the name and honor of the Temple was restored with the release of the Vatican documents back in October 2007. And in keeping with the Rule, if the Pope hasn't said anything on the reinstatement, they just have to suck it up.

ABSOLUTELY!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 06, 2008, 11:54:32 AM
"Professor?"

*again, the effervescent woman in the back, who you now clearly know lied about taking the necessary prerequisite coursework for this class, raises her hand*

"could you please define a few terms such as Pontiff, Vicar and ROEs?"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 06, 2008, 12:14:58 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 06, 2008, 11:54:32 AM
"*the effervescent woman *
You're bubbly, gay, and give off gas.......?  :o;) ;D :P



Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 06, 2008, 11:54:32 AM
"could you please define a few terms such as Pontiff, Vicar and ROEs?"

Pontiff- a title of certain religious leaders, now used principally to refer to leaders such as the Pope of the Catholic Church and of the Coptic Orthodox Church

Vicar- (from the Latin vicarius) is anyone acting "in the person of" or agent for a superior (compare "vicarious").As in Vicar of Christ

ROEs- In military or police operations, the rules of engagement (ROE) determine when, where, and how force shall be used (for example, a submarine of country A cannot open fire on the shipping vessels of country B without an official declaration of war). Such rules are both general and specific, and there have been large variations between cultures throughout history. The rules may be made public, as in a martial law or curfew situation, but are typically only fully known to the force that intends to use them.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 06, 2008, 12:20:35 PM
Nice. 

Since we are clarifying, I was thinking more along the lines of vivacious, lively and sparkling.....but with an edge.  Let's not bring sexual preferences into this.    ;):P

My other question is why was the the Spanish Order only "historically" involved?


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 06, 2008, 12:29:43 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 06, 2008, 01:24:04 PM
I'm bubbly when i get enough sleep but i don't give off gas
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 06, 2008, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 06, 2008, 12:20:35 PM
My other question is why was the the Spanish Order only "historically" involved?

For one, they did business differently than your main stream Templar Order. They took an oath to the King.
Secondly, since the Order was disbanded, from what I can pull from the records, the Templar Order morphed into the Order of the Knights of Christ (Ordem dos Cavaleiros de Cristo). With a heavy presence in Portugal and overlap into Spain.

From this, none of the records shows the current organization's ties to any of these Orders. An apparent disconnect in lineage, causing reasonable doubt to heritage other than word of mouth.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 06, 2008, 01:31:56 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 06, 2008, 01:24:04 PM
I'm bubbly when i get enough sleep but i don't give off gas


*open door ALERT!*  :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 06, 2008, 02:11:23 PM
don't make me toss a coal at you
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 06, 2008, 02:52:52 PM
Lady de Pond, I have some accelerant if you need some  ;) ;)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 06, 2008, 03:03:18 PM
Historical safety note:


Templars not fire resistant!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 07, 2008, 08:13:05 AM
Continuing on the theme of getting to know the Order, since the downfall of the previous Forums site, I give our viewers:

The Grand Master

The Grand Master was the supreme authority of the Templar Order and answered to none save the pope. Once elected to the office, the Grand Master served for the remainder of his life. In several cases that lifetime was cut short. Several Grand Masters were killed in battle, showing that the position was far more than an administrative one.
While each province had its own Master, the Grand Master was above each of them. In addition to overseeing military operations, the Grand Master was also responsible for the business dealings of the Order.


Seneschal

The Seneschal was the right hand man to the Grand Master and in modern terms would be similar to a vice president of a corporation. The Seneschal also acted as a consigliore or advisor to the Grand Master and looked after a great deal of the administrative duties.
Along with the Grand Master, the Seneschal ruled over eight Templar provincial Masters. These provinces were chiefly Aragon, Apulia, England, France, Hungary, Poitiers, Portugal and Scotland.

The Seneschal is selected by the Grand Master, confirmed with a majority vote of the Commanders of the Lands.


Marshal

The Marshal of the Order was the Templar in charge of war and anything that was related to it. In this sense the Marshal could be viewed as the second most important member of the Order after the Grand Master.

The Marshal of the Order is selected by the Grand Master, based on seniority and experience from the Marshals of the provinces. 


Under Marshal

The Under Marshal was in charge of the footmen and the equipment.

The Under Marshal is selected by the Marshal of the Order.


Standard Bearer

The Standard Bearer was one of the sergeants and charged with carrying the Order's banner (Beausant).

The Standard Bearer is selected from the hosting province of the Grand Master.


Draper

The Draper was in charge of the Templar garments and linens and while this may seem like a menial task, the Templar Rule of Order states that after the Master and Marshal, the Draper was superior to all brethren.

The Templar Rule of Order said of the Draper's responsibilities regarding the robe of the order, "and the Draper or the one who is in his place should studiously reflect and take care to have the reward of God in all the above-mentioned things, so that the eyes of the envious and evil-tongued cannot observe that the robes are too long or too short; but he should distribute them so that they fit those who must wear them, according to the size of each one."

The Draper should be selected from a Templar that has experience in uniforms and clothing, can be elected by vote, or selected by the majority vote of the Grand Master, Seneschal, and the Marshal of the Order.


Commanders of the Lands: Jerusalem, Antioch and Tripoli.

These Templar officers operated much like a Baillie (a municipal officer or magistrate) and operated under the Masters. Commanders were responsible for all Templar houses, castles and farms in their jurisdiction.


Provincial Masters

Provincial Masters, who governed the smaller districts, were similar to the Commanders of Lands, but seem to have largely been responsible for managing revenue and recruiting new men to the Order.


Knights and Sergeants

The bulk of the Templar's military might was comprised of knights and sergeants. Although both classes of Templars were as likely to die in battle, the knight had a higher ranking within the Order.

Knights had to be men of noble birth and wore the white mantle that is the most familiar garment of the Order.

They also maintained the dedicated Renaissance Festival Forums thread: Following Orders. This was to help spread the word of the Order's charities and contributions, and to act as an outlet for online recruiting of like minded historians and enthusiasts.

Sergeants did not have to be of noble birth and to show their lower rank, sergeants wore a black or brown mantle.



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 07, 2008, 08:47:41 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 07, 2008, 08:13:05 AM
They also maintained the dedicated Renaissance Festival Forums thread: Following Orders.
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Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 07, 2008, 08:13:05 AMThis was to help spread the word of the Order's charities and contributions, and to act as an outlet for online recruiting of like minded historians and enthusiasts.
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 07, 2008, 09:52:35 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 07, 2008, 08:47:41 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 07, 2008, 08:13:05 AM
They also maintained the dedicated Renaissance Festival Forums thread: Following Orders.
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Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 07, 2008, 08:13:05 AMThis was to help spread the word of the Order's charities and contributions, and to act as an outlet for online recruiting of like minded historians and enthusiasts.
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Huzzzahhh nothing wrong with maintaining the thread
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 07, 2008, 09:53:54 AM
The Knights Hospitaller - Defenders of Sick and Injured Pilgrims


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The Knights Hospitaller were also known as: Hospitalers, the Order of Malta, the Knights of Malta.

From 1113 to 1309 they were known as the Hospitallers of St. John of Jerusalem; from 1309 to 1522 they went by the Order of the Knights of Rhodes; from 1530 to 1798 they were the Sovereign and Military Order of the Knights of Malta; from 1834 to 1961 they were the Knights Hospitaller of St. John of Jerusalem; and from 1961 to the present they are formally known as the Sovereign Military and Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes, and of Malta.


The Origin of the Hospitallers:

In the mid-11th century, a Benedictine abbey was established in Jerusalem by merchants from Amalfi. About 30 years later, a hospital was founded next to the abbey to care for sick and poor pilgrims. After the success of the First Crusade in 1099, Brother Gerard (or Gerald), the hospital's superior, expanded the hospital and set up additional hospitals along the route to the Holy Land.


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On February 15, 1113, the order was formally named the Hospitallers of St. John of Jerusalem and recognized in a papal bull issued by Pope Paschal II.

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Hospitaller Knights:

In 1120, Raymond de Puy (a.k.a. Raymond of Provence) succeeded Gerard as leader of the order. He replaced the Benedictine Rule with the Augustinian Rule and actively began to build up the order's power base, helping the organization to acquire lands and wealth. Possibly inspired by the Templars, the Hospitallers began to take up arms in order to protect pilgrims as well as tend their illnesses and injuries. Hospitaller Knights were still monks, and continued to follow their vows of personal poverty, obedience, and celibacy. The order also included chaplains and brothers who did not take up arms.


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Relocations of the Hospitallers:

The shifting fortunes of the western Crusaders would also affect the Hospitallers. In 1187, when Saladin captured Jerusalem, the Hospitaller Knights moved their headquarters to Margat, then to Acre ten years later. With the fall of Acre in 1291 they moved to Limassol in Cyprus.


The Knights of Rhodes:


In 1309 the Hospitallers acquired the island of Rhodes. The grand master of the order, who was elected for life (if confirmed by the pope), ruled Rhodes as an independent state, minting coins and exercising other rights of sovereignty. When the Knights of the Temple were dispersed, some surviving Templars joined the ranks at Rhodes. The knights were now more warrior than "hospitaller," though they remained a monastic brotherhood. Their activities included naval warfare; they armed ships and set off after Muslim pirates, and took revenge on Turkish merchants with piracy of their own.


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The Knights of Malta:


In 1522 the Hospitaller control of Rhodes came to an end with a six-month siege by Turkish leader Suleyman the Magnificent. The Knights capitulated on January 1, 1523, and left the island with those citizens who chose to accompany them. The Hospitallers were without a base until 1530, when Holy Roman emperor Charles V arranged for them to occupy the Maltese archipelago. Their presence was conditional; the most notable agreement was the presentation of a falcon to the emperor's viceroy of Sicily every year.

In 1565, grand master Jean Parisot de la Valette exhibited superb leadership when he stopped Suleyman the Magnificent from dislodging the Knights from their Maltese headquarters. Six years later, in 1571, a combined fleet of the Knights of Malta and several European powers virtually destroyed the Turkish navy at the Battle of Lepanto. The Knights built a new capital of Malta in honor of la Valette, which they named Valetta, where they constructed grand defenses and a hospital that attracted patients from far beyond Malta.


The Last Relocation of the Knights Hospitaller:


The Hospitallers had returned to their original purpose. Over the centuries they gradually gave up warfare in favor of medical care and territorial administration. Then, in 1798, they lost Malta when Napoleon occupied the island on the way to Egypt. For a short time they returned under the auspices of the Treaty of Amiens (1802) , but when the 1814 Treaty of Paris gave the archipelago to Britain, the Hospitallers left once more. They at last settled permanently in Rome in 1834.


Membership of the Knights Hospitaller:

Although nobility was not required to join the monastic order, it was required to be a Hospitaller Knight. As time went on this requirement grew more strict, from proving nobility of both parents to that of all grandparents for four generations. A variety of knightly classifications evolved to accommodate lesser knights and those who gave up their vows to marry, yet remained affiliated with the order. Today, only Roman Catholics may become Hospitallers, and the governing knights must prove the nobility of their four grandparents for two centuries.


The Hospitallers Today:

After 1805 the order was led by lieutenants, until the office of Grand Master was restored by Pope Leo XIII in 1879. In 1961 a new constitution was adopted in which the order's religious and the sovereign status was precisely defined. Although the order no longer governs any territory, it does issue passports, and it is recognized as a sovereign nation by the Vatican and some Catholic European nations.


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Prior to his passing. The 78th Prince and Grand Master of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes and of Malta, Most Humble Guardian of the Poor of Jesus Christ "Fra Andrew Willoughby Ninian Bertie" with his Holiness Pope Benedict XVI.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 07, 2008, 10:02:10 AM
I know you got some Teutonic stuff coming Brother!  ;D

Then the pilgrims will have a basic understanding of the Big Three!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 07, 2008, 10:02:31 AM
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This is a list of Grand Masters of the Knights Hospitaller.

* The Blessed Gerard (1099-1120)
* Raymond du Puy de Provence (1120-1160)
* Auger de Balben (1160-1163)
* Arnaud de Comps (1162-1163)
* Gilbert d'Aissailly (1163-1170)
* Gastone de Murols (c. 1170-1172)
* Jobert of Syria (1172-1177)
* Roger de Moulins (1177-1187)
* Armengol de Aspa (1187-1190) (Provisor, i.e. Overseer; not formally designated Master)
* Garnier of Nablus (1190-1192)
* Geoffroy de Donjon (1193-1202)
* Afonso de Portugal (1203-1206)
* Geoffrey le Rat (1206-1207)
* Garin de Montaigu (1207-1228)
* Bertrand de Thercy (1228-1231)
* Guerin de Montacute (1231-1236)
* Bertrand de Comps (1236-1240)
* Pierre de Vielle-Bride (1240-1242)
* Guillaume de Chateauneuf (1242-1258)
* Hugues de Revel (1258-1277)
* Nicolas Lorgne (1277-1284)
* Jean de Villiers (1284-1294)
* Odon de Pins (1294-1296)
* Guillaume de Villaret (1296-1305)
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 07, 2008, 10:14:10 AM
Blessed Gérard Tonque
is the founder of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem.


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Blessed Gérard Tonque (who died on September 3, 1120) was a French Benedictine monk who was the guest master of the Benedictine Monastery St. Maria Latina in Jerusalem. The guest house, situated on the other side of the road of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, was very big as it was always occupied by numerous pilgrims who came to see the places where Jesus lived and died and rose from the dead. Because the journeys in those days were a big strain, most of the pilgrims arrived in Jerusalem exhausted or sick.

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Therefore the guest house of St. Maria Latina was more a hospital than a hotel and it was in those days commonly known as the Hospital of Jerusalem. Apart from nursing the sick they used to accommodate abandoned children, feed the starving, clothe the needy and care for discharged prisoners. Blessed Gérard's hospital was a well organised charitable organisation.

Blessed Gérard founded the Brotherhood of St. John of Jerusalem to run the hospital.



This community is the historical root of the Hospital Order of St. John, the oldest hospital order of the Church (founded in 1099), known as the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta or in short the Order of Malta, whose Anglican branch, The Grand Priory in the British Realm of the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem (founded in 1831), is well known in South Africa as The Priory of the Order of St. John through its offspring the St. John Ambulance Association and Brigade (founded in 1877).

The statutes of the Brotherhood of St. John of Jerusalem are the basis of the Rule of the Order of St. John whose spirituality is going back to the Benedictine principle of hospitality, expressed in chapter 53 of the Rule of St. Benedict which reads: "All guests who present themselves are to be welcomed as Christ, for he himself will say: I was a stranger and you welcomed me (Matt 25:35). Proper honour must be shown to all, especially to those who share our faith (Gal 6:10) and to pilgrims". And that is exactly what the hospital of Jerusalem and its brotherhood did.

Blessed Gérard and his successors called the sick "the poor of Christ" or simply "the holy poor" indicating that they being welcomed as Christ, thus represent Christ to those who have the honour of serving them. Loving ones neighbour therefore becomes worship of God and the members of the hospital order made the promise "to be servants and slaves to our Lords, the sick". A principle of the brotherhood's spirituality was right in the contradiction of the spirit of the time not to gracefully grant favours to those in need and to be honoured for what they had done, but to consider it a favour to have the honour of serving the needy and thus receive the grace of being close to Christ who is being represented by the poor.

Such an attitude is still a contradiction to the Spirit of our times, where helpers often consider themselves superior to those they help and do not realise what graceful chance they miss to meet the Lord in the needy.

On the other hand the hospital of Jerusalem did not disregard the spiritual needs of their Lords, the sick. The hospital was actually regarded as a spiritual community and the sick were not only cared for bodily but also benefited from the pastoral care of the hospital.

The Rule of the Order of St. John reads in chapter 17: "When a sick comes to the house ... he may be received as follows: After he has first faithfully confessed his sins to a priest, he may receive Holy Communion, and afterwards he may be carried to a bed and may be lovingly fed every day like the Lord, according to the possibilities of the house, even before the brothers have their meal. And the Reading and the Gospel may be read in the hospital on all Sundays and the sick may be sprinkled with Holy Water during the procession."

The hospital was considered both a church building and church community anyway. The ward was a big room with an altar inside, so that all the sick could participate in Holy Mass without having to leave their beds.

All in all the brotherhood and the hospital order founded by Blessed Gérard thought of the hospital as a community of saints: The brothers extended God's loving care to the needy. They acted on Christ's behalf, because the church is the body of Christ and Christ is thus acting at all times through his church. But the brothers met Christ in the Sick as well (cf. "Whenever you did this for one of the least important of these brothers of mine, you did it for me!" Mt. 25.40).

All involved, the brothers on the one hand and the sick on the other hand, are mutually representing Christ, making life in the community of the hospital a mutual encounter with the Lord and therefore an event of salvation.

Concerning the foundation of the Order of St. John through Blessed Gérard Tonque, the opinions of the scientists differ considerably according to their intention, either to proof the independence of the foundation, or to proof a long tradition. The one group of historians states, the hospital would have been destroyed in the Seljuks' Raid AD 1070 - 1078 and would have been rebuilt soon afterwards. Other historians think, the hospital would have withstood the Seljuks' Raid and its director would also have been in Jerusalem during the siege in 1099.

A fresco in the Chapel of the contemporary Grand Magistry in the Via Condotti in Rome depicts Blessed Gérard (Beato Gherardo) chained with a loaf of bread in the left hand. (The picture at the top of this page!) This reminds us of the legend which tells us, Blessed Gérard would have thrown loaves of bread over the walls of Jerusalem to the hungry crusaders during the siege of six weeks preceding the conquest. He would have been caught and brought before the Ottoman defenders to be charged for supporting the enemy. When evidence was to be produced the loaves of bread in his coat had miraculously changed into stones and Blessed Gérard was acquitted.

Blessed Gérard reorganised the former guest house, which was then the hospice or hospital of Jerusalem totally in AD 1099, the year of the conquest of Jerusalem by the crusaders. Of course, he had to do so, because there was a vast increase of patients admitted to the hospital from among the crusaders themselves and all those who followed their trail as pilgrims again into the freed Holy City. This reorganisation is considered the foundation of the Order of St. John.

It is irrelevant if that reorganisation now means either the detachment from the maybe still existing mother monastery of St. Maria Latina and the modification of the Rule of St. Benedict, or the gradual change of the Brotherhood of the hospital, which was presided over by Gérard, into a religious order in the sense of a daughter foundation, which now took on a mother's role for the Brotherhood which continued to exist. It is certain, that from this time on the Brothers of the Order , which since then is called the Order of St. John, vow to live a life according to the Evangelical Counsels - poverty, chastity and obedience -, wear their own religious vestments ( a black habit with a white beam cross at the left side) and live according to their own regulations. Unfortunately these original regulations got lost, but we may assume, that is was - like the first preserved Rule of Gérard's successor, Raymond du Puy - a conglomerate consisting of Augustinian and Benedictine ingredients with own additions. Therefore I cannot second the opinion , that the Community under Gérard's leadership would have been nothing more than a group of people of similar interests loosely joined together. This is not in contradiction to the fact that in the particular sense of Canon Law we can call the Community an independent order only since the time between 1135 and 1153.

Many pilgrims joined the newly founded order as helpers and brothers already in Gérard's times. Rich donations, e.g. by Godfrey of Bouillon and King Baldwin I (1108) enabled Gérard amongst other things to erect branch hospitals in European Mediterranean harbours. Already before 1113 there were branch hospices at the castle of St. Egid, in Asti, Pisa, Bari, Ydrontum, Tarent and Messina. Pilgrims, who got sick, should be treated there at an early stage, because otherwise the influx of sick pilgrims into the Hospital of Jerusalem would have become too big, especially as the passage to Jerusalem was free again in these times and therefore big amounts of pilgrims came to Jerusalem again.


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The Blessed Girard receiving Godfrey de Bouillon at the Hospital of St. John upon the capture of Jerusalem by the crusaders(1093)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 07, 2008, 12:28:12 PM
*We interupt our regularly scheduled history lessons for an important announcement:*

Mythbusting manuscript

Saint Paul University has obtained a coveted limited-edition copy of the Chinon Parchment, which sheds light on the mysterious, maligned warrior monks.

Jennifer Green, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Tuesday, August 05, 2008

When several leaders of the Knights Templar were burned at the stake for heresy in 1314, legend has it they screamed out a curse against the villainous lawyer who convicted them. Eight days later, he died. They begged God to prove their innocence by taking the pope within 40 days. Thirty-three days later, Pope Clement V died too. Eight months after that, the French king who had coveted their money also died, and all his sons succumbed within 14 years, ending the royal family's 300-year reign.

So, did the Templars really worship idols, spit on the crucifix, and sodomize each other as the French king charged? Or did they just fall victim to his desperate greed, as a recently discovered parchment suggests?

In 2001, a second-year student of ancient documents at the Vatican stumbled across the Chinon chart, a 58- by 70-centimetre parchment misfiled in the secret archives for 400 years. "I thought I was dreaming," Barbara Frale told the Citizen in an e-mail. "It took six months for me to fully grasp that it was real."

Ms. Frale, who is writing a book about her find, says the document shows that Pope Clement V did not excommunicate the Templar leaders, but absolved them of heresy and brought them back into the church. Rumours about sodomy and idolatry were misunderstood military hazing rituals. "Historians had concluded that the Templars were innocent, but most people still thought they were heretics, occultists and the like," she wrote.

"Now we have definitive proof. The Templars were not heretics. The order, which was a military brotherhood, simply practised a secret ritual that was grossly misunderstood and misinterpreted." (as a former Infantryman I can relate to the concepts of hazing)

Late last year, the Vatican produced 800 limited-edition copies of her find, with a full-size reproduction of the parchment, a Latin translation, a historical commentary, written by Ms. Frale, and three replicas of medieval church seals. Ottawa's Saint Paul University has purchased No. 302 for its renowned rare book library at a cost of $8,000.

Many historians have pilloried Pope Clement for selling out the Templars to the French king. But in her commentary, Ms. Frale argues that the pope was no toady. He was a subtle thinker who had to "run with the hare and hunt with the hounds" to keep the church from splitting apart.

"He preferred subtle ploys to resounding strategies and his slow, hushed tactics obtained far from minor results in one of the most difficult situations in the long history of the church," writes Ms. Frale.

The Knights Templar began in the 11th century as a unique order of high-borne military monks commissioned to fight Holy Wars against the Muslims and protect pilgrims on their way to the Holy Land. By the end of the 13th century, more than 15,000 Templars ranged throughout Christendom, holding hundreds of castles. In Jerusalem, they were centred at what was believed to be King Solomon's Temple -- hence, the name Templars. Tales circulated that they had dug underneath the temple to find ancient treasures, including a fragment of the True Cross, and a thorn from Christ's crucifixion crown.

Over the decades, their stellar reputation as fierce fighters and honest bookkeepers made them ideal couriers for cash and other valuables from kingdom to kingdom. Before long, they were operating what amounted to the first international banking system. They were answerable only to the pope; no king or cardinal could curb them.

In 1291, the city of Acre on the Mediterranean coast in present-day Israel, fell to the Muslims, and in 1303, the Crusaders lost their remaining holdings in the Holy Land. People became disenchanted with the Templars, and accused them of corruption and growing soft. Rumours circulated that they had strange initiation rites in which novices had to deny Christ three times, spit on the cross three times, strip naked and kiss their superior on the lower back, navel, and lips. If required, the initiates had to submit to sodomy. Finally, the Templars were said to wear a small black bearded head on a cord under their clothing -- clearly a false idol.

The whispering fuelled anti-cleric feelings already rife in France. King Philip had loathed the previous pope, Boniface, who was admittedly easy to hate. According to Matthew Bunson's Pope Encyclopedia, this pontiff believed he was entitled to total control over all Christendom, shrieking in Latin at his cardinals, "I am Caesar! I am emperor!"

When some cardinals worked against him, he expelled them from the church. When a powerful family crossed him, he razed their village.

It was a fundamental power struggle between kings and clergy, but the immediate irritant was the issue of funding for France's wars against Britain. Boniface had to back down from his refusal to let France tax the clergy, but he didn't stay down for long. In 1302, he issued a papal bull stating "for every human creature it is essential for their salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff."

Philip responded to this affront by seizing Boniface and brutalizing him for several days, relenting only at the insistence of angry townspeople. The pope never recovered and died several weeks later. The church was left so badly divided between cardinals loyal to the French king and those loyal to Rome that they were not able to settle on a new pontiff for almost a year.

They finally elected Clement V who seemed to be Philip's man, even moving the papacy to France.

Philip still needed money, so in 1306 he devalued the French currency. Parisians rioted, and the king fled to a Templar stronghold to take shelter. According to some reports, he found the answers to his prayers there: room after room of ready cash. All he had to do was destroy the order.

Clement promised the king he would look into the rumours about the Templars, but before he could proceed, Philip ordered all the Templars in France arrested and their property seized. Confessions were extracted by torture, thereby presenting Clement with a fait accompli -- who needs a papal hearing when the men had already confessed? Ms. Frale wrote in an academic paper for The Journal of Medieval History that the king made sure the Templar "confessions" were widely circulated and forged documents purportedly from the pope, so that any attempt to defend the Templars would make the church look like it was defending corruption.

Philip relented slightly, agreeing to administer the Templar property apart from his own, and arranging for 73 members to travel to Poitiers, where the pope could interview them. But he held the leaders at the castle of Chinon, saying they were too sick to travel.
The document found by Ms. Frale shows that in 1308, the pope deputized three of his most trusted cardinals to meet these leaders, almost in secret, and hear them out. The Templars justified their rituals saying the renunciation of Christ was simply to give them practice should they be captured in battle by the Muslims. Stripping naked and kissing the superiors at the base of their spine, navel and on the mouth, was meant to show obedience.

Ms. Frale says that Clement saw "they were surely so tainted by bad habits that they needed reform; but they could not be considered heretics."

However, he disbanded the Templars at the Council of Vienne in 1312.

Nevertheless, King Philip dragged on their trials for seven years. Finally, on March 18, 1314, the leaders were brought before a papal commission. All had confessed and were to be sentenced to life in prison.

Two revoked their confessions and the French court found them guilty of a relapse to heresy. That evening, Jacques de Molay and two others were abducted by soldiers and burned at the stake at the hour of Vespers.

Malcolm Barber, an internationally-recognized expert on the Templars, explained from his office in Britain: "Scholars had some documents describing the downfall of the Knights Templar and the trials that sent them to the stake, but they had lost track of this one, known as the Chinon Parchment, since the 17th century. So it's not new information, but it's nice to have."

In the past years, an exasperated Vatican has had to fend off fictitious legends about the Templars, especially most recently, in Dan Brown's novel The Da Vinci Code, which suggested that the Holy Grail the Templars sought or possessed was not the chalice used by Jesus at the last supper, but his descendent from a union with Mary Magdalene.
Ms. Frale's find manages to fill in some of the historical blanks, acquit both the Templars and Pope Clement, and raise a little cash.

Ferdinando Santoro, head of Scrinium, a publisher linked to the Vatican, has said frankly: "This is a commercial operation to satisfy the demands of a global market keen to acquire works of historic value and of universally recognized scientific rigour .... "
But when the book was first announced last fall, the Times reported that Monsignor Sergio Pagano, Prefect of the Secret Archives, squirmed at the sales pitch, saying books and documents were meant to be "studied and read, not presented with fanfare. That is not our style." He emphasized that the document was "in no way a scoop or discovery," since it had been listed in the Vatican inventories since the 17th century.
The rediscovery has been something of a mixed blessing.

In Spain, a group claiming to have descended from the Templars has begun legal action demanding that the Vatican recognize that more than 9,000 properties and assets worth $160 billion were lost when the church disbanded the ancient order of knights. According to the Daily Telegraph, the Association of the Sovereign Order of the Temple of Christ doesn't want to reclaim the money, but restore the "good name" of the Knights Templar.
"We are not trying to cause the economic collapse of the Roman Catholic Church, but to illustrate to the court the magnitude of the plot against our order," the group said a statement.

Last fall, a British order of Templars that also claims direct descent from the original Knights Templar called on Pope Benedict XVI to apologize.

At Saint Paul University, chief librarian André Paris is delighted with the acquisition, a handmade leather folio with a full-size reproduction of the parchments, a Latin translation, a historical commentary in English, and replicas of three Templar seals. It took about 50 Vatican historians, scholars, designers and craftsmen about six years to make the copies.
Saint Paul's may own Canada's only copy and one of only seven or eight in North America.
Despite the price tag, he says, "I was afraid we might not get it."

Already more than 100 scholars have examined the book, but Mr. Paris says anyone can come take a look at the volume as long as they call ahead.

Ms. Frale went on to get her PhD at the University of Venice and is now a historian on staff at the Vatican Secret Archives. Her book, The Templars: The Secret History Revealed is to be published by Arcade in January. Her publishers advertise it as "an explosive new history of the medieval world's most powerful military order, the Templars -- and the momentous discovery that finally allows the full story to be told."

"The revelations will be extremely interesting," Ms. Frale told the Citizen. "For now, I can't say a word."
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 07, 2008, 02:51:07 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 07, 2008, 09:53:54 AM
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so there is something to all this talk about kissing?  What's wrong it kissing?   ;) ;)

The Goddess wills it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 07, 2008, 02:55:08 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 07, 2008, 12:28:12 PM

"The revelations will be extremely interesting," Ms. Frale told the Citizen. "For now, I can't say a word."


Thanks for posting this Warrior Monk....and all the new information (gramercy Brother William too)  I may be tempted to read this....it seems odd that Ms. Frale would be allowed to write such a book.  I wonder if she has the "blessing" of the church?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 07, 2008, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 07, 2008, 02:55:08 PM
Thanks for posting this Warrior Monk....and all the new information (gramercy Brother William too)  I may be tempted to read this....it seems odd that Ms. Frale would be allowed to write such a book.  I wonder if she has the "blessing" of the church?

Technically the Order of the Temple is a non-entity......so would it matter?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 07, 2008, 09:21:05 PM
Teutonic Order

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A medieval military order modelled on the Hospitallers of St. John, which changed its residence as often as the latter. These residences, marking as many stages in its development, are: (1) Accon (Acre), its cradle in Palestine (1190-1309); (2) Marienburg, Prussia, the centre of its temporal domination as a military principality (1309-1525); (3) Mergentheim in Franconia, which inherited its diminished possessions after the loss of Prussia (1524-1805); (4) finally, Vienna in Austria, where the order has gathered the remains of its revenues and survives as a purely hospital order. A Protestant branch likewise subsists in Holland.


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(1) There was already a Teutonic hospital for pilgrims from Germany in the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem, with a church dedicated to the Blessed Virgin, who is still the patroness of the order and after whom the name Mariani is sometimes given to its members. But this establishment, which was under the jurisdiction of the Grand Master of St. John, was broken up at the conquest of Jerusalem by Saladin (1187). During the Third Crusade German pilgrims from Bremen and Lübeck with the Duke of Holstein established a temporary hospital under the besieged walls of Acre; this was a large tent, constructed from the sails of their ships, in which the sick of their country were received (1190). After the capture ofAcre this hospital was permanently established in the city with the co-operation of Frederick of Suabia, leader of the German crusade, and at the same time religious knights were attached to it for the defence of pilgrims. The Order of Teutonic Knights was founded and took its place beside the other two orders of Jerusalem, the Hospitallers and the Templars. As early as 1192 they were endowed by Celestine III with the same privileges as the Order of St. John, whose hospital rule they adopted, and as the Order of the Temple, from which they borrowed their military organization. Innocent III in 1205 granted them the use of the white habit with a black cross. The emperors of the House of Suabia heaped favours upon them. Moreover, they took sides with Frederick II even after he had broken with the papacy and in opposition to the other two military orders. During the Fourth Crusade, when the gates of Jerusalem were for the last time opened to Christians, under the command of this emperor, the Teutonic Knights were able to take possession of their first house, St. Mary of the Germans (1229). But it was not for long and before the end of the century they left Palestine, which had again fallen under the yoke of Islam (1291).


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(2) A new career was already open to their warlike and religious zeal, in Eastern Europe, against the pagans of Prussia. This coast of the Baltic, difficult of access, had hitherto resisted the efforts of the missionaries, many of whom had there laid down their lives. To avenge these Christians a crusade had been preached; a military order founded with this object, the Sword-bearers (see MILITARY ORDERS, THE), had not been very successful, when a Polish duke, Conrad of Massovia, determined to ask the assistance of theTeutonic Knights, offering them in return the territory of Culm with whatever they could wrest from the infidels. Hermann of Salza, fourth Grand Master of the order, was authorized to make this change by Honorius III and the Emperor Frederick II, who, moreover, raised him to the rank of prince of the empire (1230). The knight Hermann Balk, appointed Provincial of Prussia, with twenty-eight of his brother knights and a whole army of crusaders from Germany began this struggle which lasted twenty-five years and was followed by colonization. Owing to the privileges assured to German colonists, new towns arose on all sides and eventually Germanized a country of which the natives belonged to the Letto-Slavic race. Thenceforth the history of this military principality is identified with that of Prussia. In 1309 the fifteenth Grand Master, Sigfried of Feuchtwangen, transferred his residence from Venice, where at that time the knights had their chief house, to the Castle of Marienburg, which they made a formidable fortress.



The number of knights never exceeded a thousand, but the whole country was organized in a military manner, and with the constant arrival of new crusaders the order was able to hold its own among its neighbours, especially the inhabitants of Lithuania, who were of the same race as the natives of Prussia and, like them, pagans. In the battle of Rudau (1307) the Lithuanians were driven back, and they were converted only some years later, with their grand duke, Jagellon, who embraced Christianity when he married the heiress of the Kingdom of Poland (1386). With this event, which put an end to paganism in that section of Europe, the Teutonic Knights lost their raison d'être. Thenceforth their history consists of incessant conflicts with the kings of Poland. Jagellon inflicted on them the defeat of Tannenberg (1410), which cost them 600 knights and ruined their finances, in order to repair which the order was obliged to have recourse to exactions, which aroused the native nobility and the towns and provided the Poles with an opportunity to interfere against the order. A fresh war cost the order half its territory and the remaining half was only held under the suzerainty of the King of Poland (Treaty of Thorn, 1466). The loss of Marienburg caused the transfer of the Grand Master's residence to Königsberg, which is still the capital of Prussia properly so-called. To maintain itself against the kings of Poland the order had to rely on Germany and to confide the office of Grand Master to German princes. But the second of these, Albert of Brandenburg (1511), abused his position to secularize Prussia, at the same time embracing Lutheranism (1525). He made Prussia an hereditary fief of his house under the suzerainty of the Crown of Poland.

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(3) Nevertheless, the dignitaries of the order in the remainder of Germany faithfully preserved its possessions, and having broken with the apostate chose a new Grand Master, Walter of Cronenberg, who fixed his residence at Mergentheim in Franconia (1526). After the loss of Prussia the order still retained in Germany twelve bailiwicks, which they lost one by one. The secession of Utrecht (1580) meant the loss of the bailiwick of that name in the Low Countries. Louis XIV secularized its possessions in France. The Treaty of Lunéville (1801) took away its possessions on the left bank of the Rhine and in 1809 Napoleon abandoned its possessions on the right bank to his allies of the Confederation of the Rhine. The Teutonics retained only the bailiwick in the Tyrol and that in the Austrian States.

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(4) Thus the order became purely Austrian, under the supreme authority of the Emperor of Austria, who reserves the dignity of Grand Master for an archduke of his house. Since 1894 it has been held by Archduke Eugene. There are at present 20 professed knights who are bound to celibacy while they enjoy a benefice of the order, and 30 knights of honour who are not bound to this observance, but who must furnish an entrance fee of 1500 florins and an annual contribution of 100 florins. Moreover, their admission exacts a nobility of sixteen quarterings. The revenues of the order are now devoted toreligious works; it has charge of 50 parishes, 17 schools, and 9 hospitals, for which object it supports 2 congregations of priests and 4 of sisters. Moreover, it performs ambulance service in time of war; it pays the cost of the ambulance, while lay Marians are engaged as ambulance bearers. Thus, after various vicissitudes the Teutonic Knights are restored to their original character of hospitallers. Besides this Catholic branch in Austria the order has a Protestant branch in the ancient bailiwick of Utrecht, the possessions of which have been preserved for the benefit of the nobility of the country. The members, who are chosen by thechapter of knights, must give proof of four quarterings of nobility and profess the Calvinistic religion, but are dispensed from celibacy. When Napoleon took possession of Holland in 1811 he suppressed the institution, but as early as 1815 the first King of the Low Countries, William I of Orange, re-established it, declaring himself its protector. The present order comprises 10 commanders, Jonkheeren, and aspirants (expectanten), who pay an entrance fee of 525 florins and have the right to wear in their buttonhole a small cross of the order.



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List of Grand Masters of the Teutonic Order


Leaders of the early Brotherhood, 1190-1198


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The Teutonic Order as a hospice brotherhood in Outremer:

    * 1190 Meister Sibrand
    * 1192 Gerhard
    * 1193/94 Heinrich, prior
    * 1195-1196 Ulrich
    * 1196 Heinrich, preceptor (probably identified with Heinrich Walpot von Bassenheim)

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Grand Masters of the Order, 1198-1525

Hermann von Salza, the fourth Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights.
Hermann von Salza, the fourth Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights.

The Teutonic Order as a spiritual military order:


    * 1198–1200 Heinrich Walpot von Bassenheim
    * 1200–1208 Otto von Kerpen
    * 1208–1209 Heinrich von Tunna
    * 1209–1239 Hermann von Salza
    * 1239–1240 Conrad of Thuringia
    * 1240–1244 Gerhard von Malberg
    * 1244–1249 Heinrich von Hohenlohe
    * 1249–1252 Günther von Wüllersleben
    * 1252–1256 Poppo von Osterna[5]
    * 1256–1273 Anno von Sangershausen
    * 1273–1282 Hartmann von Heldrungen
    * 1282 or 1283 –1290 Burchard von Schwanden[6]
    * 1290–1297 Konrad von Feuchtwangen
    * 1297–1303 Gottfried von Hohenlohe
    * 1303–1311 Siegfried von Feuchtwangen
    * 1311–1324 Karl von Trier
    * 1324–1330 Werner von Orseln
    * 1331–1335 Luther von Braunschweig (Lothar)
    * 1335–1341 Dietrich von Altenburg
    * 1342–1345 Ludolf König
    * 1345–1351 Heinrich Dusemer
    * 1351–1382 Winrich von Kniprode
    * 1382–1390 Conrad Zöllner von Rothenstein
    * 1391–1393 Konrad von Wallenrode
    * 1393–1407 Konrad von Jungingen
    * 1407–1410 Ulrich von Jungingen
    * 1410–1413 Heinrich von Plauen
    * 1414–1422 Michael Küchmeister von Sternberg
    * 1422–1441 Paul von Rusdorf
    * 1441–1449 Konrad von Erlichshausen
    * 1449 or 1450–1467 Ludwig von Erlichshausen[7]
    * 1467–1470 Heinrich Reuß von Plauen
    * 1470–1477 Heinrich Reffle von Richtenberg
    * 1477–1489 Martin Truchseß von Wetzhausen
    * 1489–1497 Johann von Tiefen
    * 1497–1510 Frederick of Saxony
    * 1510–1525 Albert of Brandenburg-Ansbach (Albert of Prussia)

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Hoch- und Deutschmeister, 1530-1929

    * 1527–1543 Walter von Cronberg
    * 1543–1566 Wolfgang Schutzbar
    * 1566–1572 Georg Hundt von Weckheim
    * 1572–1590 Heinrich von Bobenhausen
    * 1590–1618 Maximilian of Austria Habsburg
    * 1619–1624 Karl I of Austria
    * 1625–1627 Johann Eustach von Westernach
    * 1627–1641 Johann Kaspar von Stadion
    * 1641–1662 Archduke Leopold Wilhelm of Austria
    * 1662–1664 Karl Josef of Austria
    * 1664–1684 Johann Caspar von Ampringen
    * 1685–1694 Ludwig Anton of Palatinate–Neuburg
    * 1694–1732 Ludwig Franz of Palatinate–Neuburg
    * 1732–1761 Clemens August of Bavaria
    * 1761–1780 Prince Charles Alexander of Lorraine
    * 1780–1801 Archduke Maximilian Franz of Austria
    * 1801–1804 Archduke Charles, Duke of Teschen
    * 1804–1835 Anton Viktor of Austria (office becomes hereditary to Imperial House of Austria)
    * 1835–1863 Maximilian of Austria–Este
    * 1863–1894 Wilhelm Franz Karl of Austria
    * 1894–1923 Eugen Ferdinand Pius Bernhard of Austria (end of hereditary status)
    * 1923–1933 Dr. Norbert Klein

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       929 - present-day


Time of the Teutonic Order as a clerical Roman Catholic religious order

    * 1923–1933 Dr. Norbert Klein
    * 1933–1936 Paul Heider
    * 1936–1948 Robert Schälzky
    * 1948–1970 Dr. Marian Tumler
    * 1970–1988 Ildefons Pauler
    * 1988–2000 Dr. Arnold Othmar Wieland
    * 2000–present Dr. Bruno Platter



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Source: Wiki & Catholic Encyclopedia

http://www.imperialteutonicorder.org/
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 08, 2008, 07:24:55 AM
Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem

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The military order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem originated in a leper hospital founded in the twelfth century by the crusaders of the Latin Kingdom. Without doubt there had been before this date leper hospitals in the East, of which the Knights of St. Lazarus claimed to be the continuation, in order to have the appearance of remote antiquity and to pass as the oldest of all orders. But this pretension is apocryphal. These Eastern leper hospitals followed the Rule of St. Basil, while that of Jerusalem adopted the hospital Rule of St. Augustine in use in the West. The Order of St. Lazarus was indeed purely an order of hospitallers from the beginning, as was that of St. John, but without encroaching on the field of the latter. Because of its special aim, it had quite a different organization. The inmates of St. John were merely visitors, and changed constantly; the lepers of St. Lazarus on the contrary were condemned to perpetual seclusion. In return they were regarded as brothers or sisters of the house which sheltered them, and they obeyed the common rule which united them with their religious guardians. In some leper hospitals of the Middle Ages even the master had to be chosen from among the lepers. It is not proved, though it has been asserted, that this was the case at Jerusalem.

The Middle Ages surrounded with a touching pity these the greatest of all unfortunates, these miselli, as they were called. From the time of the crusades, with the spread of leprosy, leper hospitals became very numerous throughout Europe, so that at the death of St. Louis there were eight hundred in France alone.

However, these houses did not form a congregation; each house was autonomous, and supported to a great extent by the lepers themselves, who were obliged when entering to bring with them their implements, and who at their death willed their goods to the institution if they had no children. Many of these houses bore the name of St. Lazarus, from which, however, no dependence whatever on St. Lazarus of Jerusalem is to be inferred. The most famous, St. Lazarus of Paris, depended solely and directly on the bishop of that city, and was a mere priory when it was given by the archbishop to the missionaries of St. Vincent de Paul, who have retained the name of Lazarists (1632).

The question remains, how and at what time the Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem became a military order. This is not know exactly; and, moreover, the historians of the order have done much to obscure the question by entangling it with gratuitous pretensions and suspicious documents.

The house at Jerusalem owed to the general interest devoted to the holy places in the Middle Ages a rapid and substantial growth in goods and privileges of every kind. It was endowed not only by the sovereigns of the Latin realm, but by all the states of Europe. Louis VII, on his return from the Second Crusade, gave it the Château of Broigny, near Orléans (1154). This example was followed by Henry II of England, and by Emperor Frederick II. This was the origin of the military commanderies whose contributions, called responsions, flowed into Jerusalem, swollen by the collections which the hospital was authorized to make in Europe.

The popes for their part were not sparing of their favours. Alexander IV recognized its existence under the Rule of St. Augustine (1255). Urban IV assured it the same immunities as were granted to the monastic orders (1262). Clement IV obliged the secular clergy to confine all lepers whatsoever, men or women, clerics or laymen, religious or secular, in the houses of this order (1265).

At the time these favours were granted, Jerusalem had fallen again into the hands of the Mussulmans. St. Lazarus, although still called "of Jerusalem", had been transferred to Acre, where it had been ceded territory by the Templars (1240), and where it received the confirmation of its privileges by Urban IV (1264).

It was at this time also that the Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem, following the example of the Order of St. John, armed combatants for the defence of the remaining possessions of the Christians in Asia. Their presence is mentioned without further detail at the Battle of Gaza against the Khwarizmians in 1244, and at the final siege of Acre in 1291.

As a result of this catastrophe the leper hospital of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem disappeared; however, its commanderies in Europe, together with their revenues, continued to exist, but hospitality was no longer practised. The order ceased to be an order of hospitallers and became purely military. The knights who resided in these commanderies had no tasks, and were veritable parasites on the Christian charitable foundations.

Things remained in this condition until the pontificate of Innocent VIII, who suppressed this useless order and transferred its possessions to the Knights of St. John (1490), which transfer was renewed by Pope Julius II (1505). But the Order of St. John never came into possession of this property except in Germany.

In France, Francis I, to whom the Concordat of Leo X (1519) had resigned the nomination to the greater number of ecclesiastical benefices, evaded the Bull of suppression by conferring the commanderies of St. Lazarus on Knights of the Order of St. John. The last named vainly claimed the possession of these goods. Their claim was rejected by the Parliament of Paris (1547).

Leo X himself disregarded the value of this Bull by re-establishing in favour of Charles V the priory of Capua, to which were attached the leper hospitallers of Sicily (1517).

Pius IV went further; he annulled the Bulls of his predecessors and restored its possessions to the order that he might give the mastership to a favourite, Giovanni de Castiglione (1565). But the latter did not succeed in securing the devolution of the commanderies in France. Pius V codified the statutes and privileges of the order, but reserved to himself the right to confirm the appointment of the grand master as well as of the beneficiaries (1567). He made an attempt to restore to the order its hospitaller character, by incorporating with it all the leper hospitals and other houses founded under the patronage of St Lazarus of the Lepers. But this tardy reform was rendered useless by the subsequent gradual disappearance of leprosy in Europe.

Finally, the grand mastership of the order having been rendered vacant in 1572 by the death of Castiglione, Pope Gregory XIII united it in perpetuity with the Crown of Savoy. The reigning duke, Philibert III, hastened to fuse it with the recently founded Savoyan Order of St. Maurice, and thenceforth the title of Grand Master of the Order of Sts. Maurice and Lazarus was hereditary in that house. The pope gave him authority over the vacant commanderies everywhere, except in the states of the King of Spain, which included the greater part of Italy. In England and Germany these commanderies had been suppressed by Protestantism. France remained, but it was refractory to the claims of the Duke of Savoy. Some years later King Henry IV, having founded with the approbation of Paul V (1609) the Order of Notre-Dame du Mont-Carmel, hastened in turn to unite to it the vacant possessions of St. Lazarus in France, and such is the origin of the title of "Knight of the Royal, Military, and Hospitaller Order of Our Lady of Mount Carmel and St. Lazarus of Jerusalem", which carried with it the enjoyment of a benefice, and which was conferred by the king for services rendered.

To return to the dukes of Savoy: Clement VIII granted them the right to exact from ecclesiastical benefices pensions to the sum of four hundred crowns for the benefit of knights of the order, dispensing them from celibacy on condition that they should observe the statutes of the order and consecrate their arms to the defence of the Faith. Besides their commanderies the order had two houses where the knights might live in common, one of which, at Turin, was to contribute to combats on land, while the other, at Nice, had to provide galleys to fight the Turks at sea. But when thus reduced to the states of the Duke of Savoy, the order merely vegetated until the French Revolution, which suppressed it. In 1816 the King of Sardinia, Victor Emmanuel I, re-established the titles of Knight and Commander of Sts. Maurice and Lazarus, as simple decorations, accessible without conditions of birth to both civilians and military men.

Source: Catholic Encyclopedia
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 08, 2008, 07:39:50 AM
The Order of The Hatchet (Orden de la Hacha)

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This is a rather unusual order in that it was clearly a military order for women. In 1149 it was founded by Raymond Berenger in Catalonia under special circumstances. It honored the women of Barcelona who fought to defend Tortosa against Moorish attack.  The Dames admitted to the order were exempt from tax, took precedence over men in assemblies, and enjoyed many other privledges. It is believed the order died out with the original members.


Source - Desmond Seward's The Monks of War
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 08, 2008, 08:04:11 AM
THE ORDER OF ST. ANTHONY 1095 - 1777.
Symbol of Order; Blue Tau Cross, known as St. Anthony's Cross.

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The Order of St. Anthony, known as "Hospital Brothers of St. Anthony", or the "Antonians", was a monastic nursing Order, founded by Gaston de Dauphiné, in 1095. In that year a terrible and mysterious disease called St. Anthony's fire was causing great mortality in the valley of the Rhône. In 1040 Jocelyn, a Pilgrim, had brought relics of St. Anthony to the Church of St. Didier la Mothe, near Vienna. Praying before these relics in 1095, Gaston, his son being then dangerously ill, vowed to give his goods to found a hospital if his son got well. The son recovered, and eagerly joined his father in the fulfillment of his vow. They took the monastic habit, and established a hospital which became a pilgrimage centre for persons suffering from St. Anthony's fire. The Order flourished greatly and spread through France, Spain and Italy. Boniface VIII in 1297 ordained that the Antonines should live as canons-regular under the rule of St. Austin. Through the Order, Anthony's popularity as a saint reached its height. The black-robed Hospitallers, ringing small bells as they collected alms, were a common sight in many parts of western Europe. The bells of the Hospitallers, as well as their pigs--allowed by special privilege to run free in medieval streets--became part of the later iconography associated with St. Anthony. The Order subsisted till the Revolution, at which time there were sixty-six Antonines in France: of this number only three became assermentés; the rest preferred persecution, exile, and death. In 1777, Although the Order had been canonically united to the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, the possessions of the Order had in fact been given to several military Orders. The Neapolitan possessions were given to the Constantinian Order, the Tuscan to Santo Stefano, and the French to Saint Lazarus and St. John.

NOTES:
1) St. Anthony also spelled Antony, or Antonios. Born circa 251, Koma, near al-Minya, Heptanomis [Middle Egypt], Egypt died. Jan. 17, 356, Dayr Mari Antonios hermitage, near the Red Sea. Feast day January 17th. Anthony was a religious hermit and one of the earliest monks, considered the founder and father of organised Christian monasticism. His rule represented one of the first attempts to codify guidelines for monastic living.
2) St. Anthony's Fire, is a name given to two afflictions;
i) Erysipelas. A streptococcal bacteria, which if it enters a wound causes red patches on the face spreading across the cheeks and nose. Causes pimple which burst then crust over; and
ii) Ergotism, caused by Ergot a toxin created by fungal infection of rye. When the contaminated rye enters the human food chain, it can cause infections that lead to gangrene, and even death.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 08, 2008, 08:49:55 AM
In honor of our disabled Frere Mikael  ;D, I thought to add some of our Iberian Orders:

Military Order of Calatrava

Founded in Castile, in the twelfth century, as a military branch of the great Cistercian family.

In the Cistercian Order, then only recently formed (1098), there had been a large number of knights or sons of knights. In Calatrava, on the contrary, those who had been monks became knights. Monastic life has been called "a warfare", and it would be a mistake to suppose those rough medieval warriors sought in the cloister only a comfortable asylum after a troublous career. In both lives there was an heroic struggle to sustain, whether against one's passions or against the Moslems, and the austerities of an ascetic life could not have been more dreadful to them than the privations of camp life and the wounds of battle. These impetuous natures, who did nothing by halves, were eager to take Heaven, as they took earthly strongholds, by storm (Matthew 11:12). However, the Order of Calatrava owes its origin not to any deliberately prepared plan, but to fortuitous circumstances, the recital of which would seem to be mere romance if the teller, Rodrigo of Toledo, did not add that he himself had known in his youth the hero of the story. It runs as follows:

Calatrava is the Arabic name of a castle recovered from the Moslems, in 1147, by the King of Castile, Alfonso VII, called el Emperador. Situated on the extreme southern borders of Castile, this conquest was more difficult to keep than to make, at a time when neither standing armies nor garrisons were known. It was this deficiency that the military orders, and first of all the Knights Templar., intended to supply by fulfilling their vow of perpetual war against the Moslem. To the Templars the king had recourse, but after a vain attempt to defend Calatrava they abandoned it, and the king was looking in vain for another defender when Raymond, Abbot of the Cistercian monastery of Fitero, offered himself. This step is said to have been suggested to the abbot by Diego Valasquez, a simple monk, but one who had been a knight, was well acquainted with military matters, and was inspired with the idea of employing the lay brothers of the abbey to defend Calatrava. These Cistercian lay brothers--at that time a recent innovation in religious life--not being in Holy orders, were variously employed as herdsmen, as labourers, as husbandmen, and so on; Diego employed them as soldiers of the Cross. They laid down the hammer and the shepherd's crook, and took up the sword. Thus a new order was created, which received the name of Calatrava from the castle given up by the king (1157).

Once provided with arms, these brethren, filled with warlike enthusiasm, were eager to take the offensive against the Moors. With this end in view, they chose, when the Abbot Raymond died (1163), a certain Don García to lead them in battle as their first grand master. At the same time, the choir monks, not without protest, left Calatrava to live under an abbot whom they had chosen, in the monastery of Cirvelos. Only Velasquez and a few other clerics, to act as chaplains, remained in Calatrava with the knights, Velasquez becoming prior of the whole community. This somewhat revolutionary arrangement was approved by the general chapter at Cîteaux, and by Pope Alexander III (1164). A general chapter held at Cîteaux in 1187 gave to the Knights of Calatrava their definitive rule, which was approved in the same year by Pope Gregory VIII. This rule, modeled upon the cistercian customs for lay brothers, imposed upon the knights, besides the obligations of the three religious vows, the rules of silence in the refectory, dormitory, and oratory; of abstinence on four days a week, besides several fast days during the year; they were also obliged to recite a fixed number of paternosters for each day Hour of the Office; to sleep in their armour; to wear, as their full dress, the Cistercian white mantle with the scarlet cross fleurdelisée. Calatrava was subject not to Cîteaux, but to Morimond in Burgundy, the mother-house of Fitero, from which Calatrava had sprung. Consequently, the Abbot of Morimond possessed the right of visiting the houses and of reforming the statutes of Calatrava, while the highest ecclesiastical dignity of the order, that of grand prior, could be held only by a monk of Morimond.

The first military services of the Knights of Calatrava had been brilliant, and in return for the great services they had rendered they received from the King of Castile new grants of land, which formed their first commanderies. They had already been called into the neighbouring Kingdom of Aragon, and been rewarded by a new encomienda (landed estate), that of Alcañiz (1179). But these successes were followed by a series of misfortunes, due in the first instance to the unfortunate partition which Alfonso had made of his possessions, and the consequent rivalry which ensued between the Castilian and Leonese branches of his dynasty. On the other hand, the Moors of Spain, wishing to recover their lost dominions, called to their aid the Moors of Africa, thus bringing on the new and formidable invasion of the Almohades. The first encounter resulted in a defeat for Spain. In the disasterous battle of Alarcos, the knights were overpowered and, in spite of splendid heroism, were obliged to leave their bulwark of Calatrava in the power of the Moslem (1195). Velasquez lived just long enough to be the sorrowful witness of the failure of his daring scheme. He died the next year in the monastery of Gumiel (1196). It seemed as if the order was ruined in Castile, and this opinion so far prevailed that the branch of Aragon regarded itself as having succeeded the other. The Knights of Alcañiz actually proceeded to elect a new grand master, but the grand master still living in Castile claimed his right. Finally, by a compromise, the master of Alcañiz was recognized as second in dignity, with the title of Grand Commander for Aragon.

The scattered remains of Calatrava had meanwhile found a common shelter in the Cistercian monastery of Cirvelos, and there they began to repair their losses by a large accession of new knights. They soon felt themselves strong enough to erect a new bulwark against the Moslems at Salvatierra, where they took the name, which they kept for fourteen years, of Knights of Salvatierra (1198). But in the course of a fresh invasion of the Almohades, Salvatierra, in spite of a desperate defence, shared the fate of Calatrava (1209). Upon the fall of this Castilian stronghold dismay spread from Spain throughout Western Europe. Summoned by the voice of the great Pope Innocent III, foreign crusaders hatened from all sides to help the Spanish Christians. The first event in this holy war, now a European one, was the reconquest of Calatrava (1212), which was given back to its former masters. In the same year the famous victory of Las Navas de Tolosa marked the incipient decline of Moslem domination in Western Europe. Having thus recovered possession of the stronghold, and resumed the title of Calatrava (1216), the order nevertheless removed to more secure quarters of Calatrava la Nueva, eight miles from old Calatrava (1218). From his centre their influence spread to the remotest parts of the Peninsula; new orders sprang up--Alcántara (q.v.) in the Kingdon of Leon, Avis (q.v.) in Portugal, both begun under Calatrava's protection and the visitation of its grand master. This spirit of generous emulation, spreading among all classes of society, marks the climax of Spanish chivalry: it was then that King Ferdinand the Saint, after the definitive coalition of Castile and Leon (1229) dealt a mortal blow to the Moslem power in the conquest (1235) of their capital city, Cordova, soon followed by the surrender of Murcia, Jaén, and Seville. The European crusade seemed at an end. Encouraged by these victories, Ferdinand's successor, Alfonso X, the Wise, planned a crusade in the East and contemplated marching, with his Spanish chivalry, to restore the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem (1272). But the Moors still held out in their little Kingdom of Grenada, which was to remain for two centuries longer an open door, exposing Western Europe to the constant danger of African invasion. For the perpetuation of this menace, Christendom had to thank its own dissentions--not only international, but personal and dynastic. Into these factious quarrels the Knights of Calatrava, like other knights of the Cross, were unhappily drawn.

Calatrava, with its abundant resources of men and wealth, had by this time become a power in the State. It had lands and castles scattered along the borders of Castile. It excercised feudal lordship over thousands of peasants and vassals. Thus, more than once, we see the order bringing to the field, as its individual contributions, 1200 to 2000 knights, a considerable force in the Middle Ages. Moreover, it enjoyed autonomy, being by its constitutions independent in temporal matters and acknowledging only spiritual superiors--the Abbot of Morimond and, in appeal, the pope. These authorities interfered, in consequence of a schism which first broke out in 1296 through the simultaneous election of two grand masters, García Lopez and Gautier Perez. Lopez, dispossessed a first time by a delegate of Morimond, appealed to Pope Boniface VIII, who quashed the sentence and referred the case to the general chapter at Cîteaux, where Lopez was re-established in his dignity (1302). Dispossessed a second time, in consequence of a quarrel with his lieutenant, Juan Nuñez, Lopez voluntarily resigned in favour of Nuñez, who had taken his place (1328), on condition that he should keep the commandery of Zurita; as this condition was violated, Lopez again, for the third time, took the title of Grand Master in Aragon, where he died in 1336.--These facts sufficiently prove that after the fourteenth century the rigorous discipline and fervent observance of the order's earlier times had, under the relaxing influence of prosperity, given place to a spirit of intrigue and ambition.

With the accession of Pedro the Cruel began a conflict between the Crown and the order. That prince caused three grand masters in succession to be put to death, as having incurred his suspicion: the first of these was beheaded (1355) on a charge of having entered into a league with the King of Aragon; the second Estevañez, having competed for the grand mastership with the king's candidate, García de Padilla, was murdered in the royal palace, by the king's own treacherous hand; lastly García de Padilla himself, a brother of the royal mistress, fell into disgrace, upon deserting the king's party for that of his half brother, Henry the Bastard, and died in prison (1369). Amid all these troubles the war against the Moslem, which was the very reason of the order's existence, was reduced to a mere episode in its history. The greater part of its activities were employed in purely political conflicts, and its arms, consecrated to the defence of the Faith, were turned against Christians. An even more pitiable spectacle was that of the knights divided among themselves into rival and mutually hostile factions. At the same time began the encroachments of royal authority in the election of the grand master, whose power was a check upon that of the king. For instance, in 1404, Henry of Villena was elected 24th grand master merely through the favour of Henry III of Castile, although Villena was married, a stranger to the order, and by papal dispensation entered upon his high functions without even the preliminary of a novitiate. A schism in the order ensued and was healed only after the king's death, in 1414, when a general chapter, held at Cîteaux, cancelled the election of Villena and acknowledged his competitor, Luis Guzman, as the only legitimate master. After the death of Guzman, a new encroachment of King John II of Castile gave rise to a new schism. He had succeeded in forcing upon the electors his own candidate, Alfonso, a bastard, of the royal stock of Aragon (1443); but Alfonso having joined a party formed against him, the king sought to have him deposed by the chapter of the order. This time the electors divided, and a double election issued in not fewer than three grand masters: Pedro Giron, who took possession of Calatrava; Ramirez de Guzman, who occupied the castles of Andalusia; and the bastard Alfonso of Aragon, who continued to be recognized by the knights of the Aragonese branch. At last, through the withdrawl of his rivals one after the other, Pedro Giron remained the only grand master (1457). Giron belonged to an eminent Castilian family; an ambitious intriguer, more anxious about his family interests than about those of his order, he played an important part as a leader in the factions which disturbed the wretched reigns of John II and Henry IV, the last two lamentably weak descendants of St. Ferdinand of Castile.

By turns, Giron sustained first Henry IV, in a war against his father, John II, then Alfonso, who pretended to the throne, against Henry IV. Such was Giron's importance that Henry IV, in order to attach him to his cause, offered him the hand of his own sister, the famous Isabella of Castile. Giron had already had his vow of celibacy annulled by the pope, and as on his way to the court, when he died, thus saving the future Queen of Castile from an unworthy consort (1466). The same pope, Pius II, granted to Pedro Giron the extravagant privilege of resigning his high dignity in favour of his bastard, Rodrigo Telles Giron, a child eight years old. Thus the grand mastership fell into the hands of guardians--an unheard of event. The Abbot of Morimond was called upon to devise a temporary administration, untill Telles should reach his majority. The administration was entrusted to four knights elected by the chapter, and from this period date the definitive statutes of the order known as "Rules of Abbot William III" (1467). These statutes recognized in the order seven high dignitaries: the grand master; the clavero (guardian of the castle and lieutenant of the grand master); two grand comendadores, one for Castile and the other for Aragon; the grand prior, representing the Abbot of Morimond in the spiritual government; the sacrista (guardian of the relics); the obrero (supervisor of buildings).

The order, having reached its apogee of prosperity, now held sway over fifty-six commanderies and sixteen priories, or cures, distributed between the Diocese of Jaén and the Vicariate of Ciudad Real. Its lordships included sixty-four villages, with a population of 200,000 souls, and produced an annual income which may be estimated at 50,000 ducats. The kings whose fortune the mismanagement of the late reigns had depleted could not but covet these riches, while such formidable military power filled with distrust the monarchs who were obliged to tolerate the autonomous existence of the order. During the struggle between Alfonso V of Portugal and Ferdinand of Aragon for the right of succession to Henry IV of Castile, the last male of his house (1474), much depended upon the attitude of Calatrava. The knights were divided. While the grand master, Rodrigo Giron, supported Portugal, his lieutenant, Lopez de Padilla, stood by Aragon. The battle of Toro (1479), where the pretensions of Portugal were annihilated, ended this schism, the last in the history of the order. The grand master, reconciled with Ferdinand of Aragon, fell, during the war against the Moors, at the seige of Loja (1482). His lieutenant, Lopez de Padilla, succeeded him and, as the last of the twenty-seven independent grand masters of Calatrava, revived for a season the heroic virtues of his order's better days. A mortified monk in his cell, a fearless warrior on the battlefield, the glory of Padilla shed its last rays in the war of the conquest of Grenada, which he did not live to see completed. At his death (1487), Ferdinand of Aragon exhibited to the chapter, assembled for the election of a new grand master, a Bull of Innocent VIII which invested him with authority to administer the order, and to this decree he compelled the electors to submit. Thus ended the political autonomy of the Order of Calatrava. The reason of its being--the struggle against the Moors--seemed, indeed, to end with the fall of Grenada (1492).

The canonical bond between Calatrava and Morimond had been relaxing more and more. The King of Spain was too jealous of his authority to tolerate any foreign--especially French--intervention in the affairs of his kingdom. The canonical visits of the Abbot of Morimond ceased; difficulties were raised when the grand prior came from Morimond to take possession of his dignity. The last French prior was Nicholas of Avesnes, who died in 1552. After a long contest, a compromise was effected in 1630, leaving to Morimond its right of electing the grand prior, but limiting its choice to Spanish Cistercians. Moreover, the knights of the order were virtually secularized: Pope Paul III commuted their vow of celibacy to one of conjugal fidelity (1540). As members of the order were allowed to found families, and were authorized by Julius III (1551) to make free use of their personal property, the vow of poverty also passed into virtual desuetude. In 1652, under Philip IV, the three Spanish orders took a new vow: that of defending the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. This was the last manifestation of any religious spirit in the orders. The military spirit, too, had long since disappeared. The orders had, in fact, fallen into a state of utter inactivity. The commanderies were but so many pensions at the king's free disposal, and granted by him rather to the high-born than to the deserving. In 1628 the Order of Calatrava was declared to be inaccessible not only to tradesmen, but even to sons of tradesment. The last attempt to employ the knights of the three orders for a military purpose was that of Philip IV, in quelling the rebellion of the Catalans (1640-50), but the orders restricted their efforts to the complete equipment of one regiment, which has since been known in the Spanish army as "The Regiment of the Orders".

When the Bourbon dynasty occupied the throne, Charles III, having founded the personal order of his name, levied upon the old orders a contribution of a million reals to pension 200 knights of the new order (1775). Their revenues being the only remaining raison d'être of the order, confiscation necessarily led to dissolution. Confiscated by King Joseph (1808), re-established by Ferdinand VII at the Restoration (1814), the possessions of Calatrava were finally dissipated in the general secularization of 1838.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 08, 2008, 08:55:19 AM
Livonian Brothers of the Sword (Fratres militiæ Christi Livoniae)

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Bishop Albert of Riga founded the military order of the Livonian Brothers of the Sword (Latin: Fratres militiæ Christi Livoniae, German: Schwertbrüderorden) in 1202; Pope Innocent III sanctioned the establishment in 1204. The membership of the order comprised German "warrior monks". Alternative names of the order include the Christ Knights, Sword Brethren, and The Militia of Christ of Livonia.

Following their defeat by Samogitians in the Battle of Schaulen (Saule) in 1236, the surviving Brothers merged into the Teutonic Order as an autonomous branch and became known as the Livonian Order

History

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Livonian BrothersAlbert, bishop of Riga (or Prince-Bishop of Livonia), founded the Brotherhood to aid the Bishopric of Riga in the conversion of the pagan Curonians, Livonians, Semigallians, and Latgalians living on the shores of the Gulf of Riga. From its foundation the undisciplined Order tended to ignore its supposed vassalage to the bishops. In 1218 Albert asked King Valdemar II of Denmark for assistance, but Valdemar instead arranged a deal with the Brotherhood and conquered the north of Estonia for Denmark.

The Brotherhood had its headquarters at Fellin (Viljandi) in present-day Estonia, where the walls of the Master's castle still stand. Other strongholds included Wenden (C?sis), Segewold (Sigulda) and Ascheraden (Aizkraukle). The commanders of Fellin, Goldingen (Kuld?ga), Marienburg (Al?ksne), Reval (Tallinn), and the bailiff of Weißenstein (Paide) belonged to the five-member entourage of the Order's Master.


Seal of the Livonian BrothersPope Gregory IX asked the Brothers to defend Finland from the Novgorodian attacks in his letter of November 24, 1232; however, no known information regarding the knights' possible activities in Finland has survived. (Sweden eventually took over Finland after the Second Swedish Crusade in 1249.)

In the Battle of Schaulen (Saule) in 1236 the Lithuanians and Semigallians decimated the Order. This disaster led the surviving Brothers to become incorporated into the Order of Teutonic Knights in the following year, and from that point on they became known as the Livonian Order. They continued, however, to function in all respects (rule, clothing and policy) as an autonomous branch of the Teutonic Order, headed by their own Master (himself de jure subject to the Teutonic Order's Grand Master).


Masters
Wenno (von Rohrbach) 1204–1209
Volquin (Schenk von Winterstein) 1209–1236
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 08, 2008, 09:09:09 AM
Military Order of Montesa

This order was established in the Kingdom of Aragon to take the place of the Order of the Temple, of which it was in a certain sense the continuation. It derived its title from St. George of Montesa, its principal stronghold. The Templars were received with enthusiasm in Aragon from their very foundation (1128). Bérenger III, Count of Barcelona, wished to die in the habit of a Templar (1130). King Alfonso I, "The Fighter", having no direct heir, bequeathed his dominions to be divided among the Templars, the Hospitallers, and the Canons of the Holy Sepulchre, but naturally this bequest was annulled by his subjects (1131). The Templars had to be contented with certain castles, the chief of which was Monzon. Although the Aragonese branch of the order was pronounced innocent at the famous trial of the Templars, Clement V's Bull of suppression was applied to them in spite of the protests of King James II (1312). By way of compensation, however, this monarch obtained from Pope John XXII authority to dispose of the possessions of the Templars in his Kingdom of Valencia in favour of a military order not essentially differing from that of the Templars, which should be charged with the defence of his frontier against the Moors and the pirates. It was affiliated to the Order of Calatrava, from which its first recruits were drawn, and it was maintained in dependence upon that order. The first of the fourteen grand masters, who ruled the Order of Montesa until the office was united with the Crown by Philip II in 1587, was Guillermo d'Eril.


Order of Aviz
A military body of Portuguese knights.

The Kingdom of Portugal, founded in 1128, was not only contemporaneous with the Crusades but conducted one of its own against the Moors. Some crusaders were bound only by temporary vows, and when these expired they would sometimes return to their country although the war was not ended. This accounts for the favour with which military orders were regarded beyond the Pyrenees, in Portugal as well as in Spain; for in them the vow of fighting against the infidels was perpetual, like other monastic vows. Knights Templar were found in Portugal as early as 1128, and received a grant from Queen Teresa in the year of the Council of Troyes, which confirmed their early statutes. A native order of this kind sprang up in Portugal about 1146. Affonso, the first king gave to it the town of Evora, captured from the Moors in 1211, and the Knights were first called "Brothers of Santa Maria of Evora". Pedro Henriquez, an illegitimate son of the king's father, was the first grand master. After the conquest of Aviz the military castle erected there became the motherhouse of the order, and they were then called "Knights of St. Benedict of Aviz", since they adopted the Benedictine rule in 1162, as modified by John Ziritu, one of the earliest Cistercian abbots of Portugal. Like the Knights of Calatrava in Castile, the Knights of Portugal were indebted to the Cistercians for their rule and their habit -- a white mantle with a green fleur-de-lysed cross. The Knights of Calatrava also surrendered some of their places in Portugal to them on condition that the Knights of Aviz should be subject to the visitation of their grand master. Hence the Knights of Aviz were sometimes regarded as a branch of the Calatravan Order, although they never ceased to have a Portuguese grand master, dependent for temporalities on the Portuguese king. At the accession of King Ferdinand (1383) war broke out between Castile and Portugal. When João I, who had been grand master of the Knights of Aviz, ascended the throne of Portugal, he forbade the knights to submit to Castilian authority, and consequently, when Gonsalvo de Guzman came to Aviz as Visitor, the knights, while according him hospitality, refused to recognise him as a superior. Guzman protested, and the point remained a subject of contention until the Council of Basle (1431), when Portugal was declared to be in the wrong. But the right of the Calatravans was never exercised, and the next grand master of the Knights of Aviz, Rodrigo of Sequirol, continued to assert supreme authority over them.

The mission of the military orders in Portugal seemed to fail after the overthrow of Moslem domination, but the Portuguese expeditions across the sea opened up a new field for them. The first landings of Europeans in Africa, the conquest of Ceuta by King João I (1415), the attacks upon Tangier under João's son Duarte (1437) were also crusades, inspired by a religious spirit and sanctioned by similar papal Bulls. The Knights of Aviz and the Knights of Christ, scions of the Knights Templars, achieved deeds of valour, the former under the Infants Fernando, the latter under Henrique, brother of King Duarte. Fernando displayed a no less heroic forbearance during his six years of captivity among the Moslems, a long martyrdom which after his death placed him among the Blessed (Acta SS.,5 June). This splendid enthusiasm did not last. Soon the whole nation became affected by the wealth that poured in, and the Crusade in Africa degenerated into mere mercantile enterprise; the pontifical Bulls were made a vulgar means of raising money and after the grand mastership of the order (1551) had been vested in the king in perpetuity, he availed himself of its income to reward any kind of service in the army or the fleet. If the wealth of the Knights of Aviz was not as great as that of the Knights of Christ, it was still quite large, drawn as it was from some forty-three commanderies. The religous spirit of the knights vanished, and they withdrew from their clerical brothers who continued alone the conventual life. They were dispensed from their vow of celibacy by Alexander VI (1402), who tolerated their marriage to prevent scandalous concubinage; Julius III (1551) allowed them to dispose freely of their personal properties. Nobility of birth remained the chief requirement of aspirants to the mantle, a requirement confirmed by a decree of 1604. Queen Maria I, supported by Pope Pius VI (1 Aug., 1789), attempted a last reformation and failed. Finally, the military orders were suppressed by Dom Pedro, after the downfall of the Miguelist usurpation (1834).
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 08, 2008, 01:48:31 PM
I had no idea how many different Orders there were!   :o

At least the Portuguese had the sense to do away with the vow of celibacy.  Concubinage can be so tiresome.
Is this not the Order of Brother Mikael?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 09, 2008, 06:46:28 AM
Order of Alcántara


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The Order of Alcántara was originally a military order of León, founded in the 12th century.


A major military and religious order in Spain. It was founded in 1156 or 1166 by Don Suero Fernández Barrientos and was recognized in 1177 by Pope Alexander III in a special papal bull. Its purpose was to defend Christian Spain against the Moors. In 1218 King Alfonso IX of Leon gave to the order the town of Alcántara, and during the next two centuries its knights defended the southern borders of Christian Spain. Membership reached 100,000, and the order's annual income was between 40,000 and 50,000 ducats. After Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile incorporated the military orders into the crown in 1493, the fiefs of the Order of Alcántara formed part of the royal heritage.

Alcántara, is a town on the Tagus (which is here crossed by a bridge--cantara in Arabic, hence the name). The town is situated on the plain of Extremadura, a great field of conflict for the Muslims and Christians of Iberian Peninsula in the twelfth century. Alcántara was first taken in 1167 by the King of León, Fernando II. In 1172 it fell again into the hands of Jussuf, the third of the African Almohades; and was not recovered until 1214, when it was taken by Alonso of León, the son of Fernando.


Resort to Military Orders


In order to defend this conquest, on a border exposed to many assaults, the king resorted to military orders. The Middle Ages knew neither standing armies nor garrisons, a deficiency that the military orders supplied, combining as they did military training with monastic stability. In 1214 Alcántara was first committed to the care of the Castilian Knights of Calatrava, who had lately received great support after their performance in 1212 at the battle of Las Navas de Tolosa against the Almohades. Alonzo of León wished to found at Alcántara a special branch of this celebrated order for his realm. However, four years later the Order decided that the post was too far from its Castilian headquarters. They gave up the scheme and transferred the castle, with the permission of the king, to a peculiar Leonese order still in a formative stage, known as "Knights of St. Julian de Pereiro".

Origins of the Order

This order's genesis is obscure, but according to a somewhat questionable tradition, St. Julian de Pereiro was a hermit of the country of Salamanca, where by his counsel, some knights built a castle on the river Tagus to oppose the Muslims. They are mentioned in 1176, in a grant of King Fernando of León, but without allusion to their military character. They are first acknowledged as a military order by a papal bull in 1177 by Pope Alexander III. Through their compact with the Knights of Calatrava, they accepted the Cistercian rule and costume, (a white mantle with the scarlet overcross), and they submitted to the right of inspection and correction from the Master of Calatrava. This union did not last long

Internal dissensions

The Knights of Alcántara, under their new name, acquired many castles and estates, for the most part at the expense of the Muslims. They amassed great wealth from booty during the war and from pious donations. It was a turning point in their career. However, ambitions and dissensions increased among them. The post of grand master became the aim of rival aspirants. In 1318, the Grand Master, Ruy Vaz, was besieged by his own Knights, sustained in this by the Grand Master of Calatrava. This rent in their body produced no less than three grand masters in contention, supported severally by the Knights, by the Cistercians, and by the king. The rise of such dissensions could be attributed to the fact that military orders had lost the chief object of their vocation when the Moors were driven from their last foothold in the Iberian Peninsula. Some authors assign as causes of their disintegration the decimation of the cloisters by the Black Death in the fourteenth century, and the laxity which allowed recruitment from the most poorly qualified subjects. Lastly, there was the revolution in warfare, when the growth of modern artillery and infantry overpowered the armed cavalry of feudal times, while the orders still held to their obsolete mode of fighting. The orders, nevertheless, by their wealth and numerous vassals, remained a tremendous power in the kingdom, and before long were involved deeply in political agitations. During the fatal schism between Pedro of Castile and his brother, Henry the Bastard, which divided half Europe, the Knights of Alcántara were also split into two factions which warred upon each other.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 09, 2008, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 08, 2008, 01:48:31 PM
I had no idea how many different Orders there were!   :o

At least the Portuguese had the sense to do away with the vow of celibacy.  Concubinage can be so tiresome.
Is this not the Order of Brother Mikael?

ok maybe i missed something
templars had concubines?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 09, 2008, 01:17:46 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 09, 2008, 09:16:47 AM
ok maybe i missed something
templars had concubines?

Not!

Well friends and serving Brothers, I am off to check the defenses of Acre for a week. Best wishes to all, and I'll drop in now and again...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 09, 2008, 02:01:13 PM
i thought not just making sure

have a great week be safe warrior
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 10, 2008, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 09, 2008, 01:17:46 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 09, 2008, 09:16:47 AM
ok maybe i missed something
templars had concubines?

Not!

Well friends and serving Brothers, I am off to check the defenses of Acre for a week. Best wishes to all, and I'll drop in now and again...


Enjoy....the secular community will bumble on without you.

Hope the Princess will grant you some respite!   
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 11, 2008, 09:29:08 AM
I do understand the importance of this journey as the defenses of Acre have gone unchecked thoroughly for sometime. Hopefully a token of appreciation will await you upon your return





Enjoy my brother.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 11, 2008, 12:40:56 PM
Medieval Fortress standards commissioner Brynn (aka: Grand Matron of the Medieval Miniature Military Orders) makes the rounds of Crusader fortresses of the Outremer with building aid and blue prints in hand.

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The heroes of the Holy Land are present to answer questions and keep wayward Saracen and rising tides at bay.

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First she inspects the Teutonic Quarter.

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Then it's off to the Templar fortress and nearby Hospitaller facility.

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After making her authoritative inspection rounds, and requiring that much of the other building structures not be renovated, because of their relative uselessness in the cause, when compared to the contributions made by the various Warrior Monks, it was off for some photos from the Accursed Tower position of the Mediterranean side:

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And Akko bay:

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Once she was sure that standards were being met, the commissioner left with high praise for this facility, and an urgency to meet the call for naps and noon time munchies!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 11, 2008, 03:08:01 PM
Huzzah!  This is absolutely amazing to behold!  Why, the Grand Matron of the MMMO has the intelligence and ingenuity of Athena herself!

The architect certainly knows how to stay true to a theme.   :) :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 12, 2008, 08:38:58 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 11, 2008, 03:08:01 PM
Huzzah!  This is absolutely amazing to behold! 

Huzzah indeed! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icn___clap.gif) Truly amazing I must agree!

Job well done commissioner Brynn! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/grinning-smiley-004.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 12, 2008, 08:50:09 AM
very nice but it's a little close the the waves.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 12, 2008, 10:30:24 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 12, 2008, 08:50:09 AM
very nice but it's a little close the the waves.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 12, 2008, 11:20:06 AM
I was waiting for that! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/grinning-smiley-004.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 12, 2008, 01:08:07 PM
Professor Knights.....am axiously waiting for the lecture on Acre.  The visuals are good to start but how about some background?  Was it common for different orders to live in such proximity of one another?  How did the Accursed tower get it's name?  (perhaps some Knight threw himself off due to unrequited and forbidden love?)

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*sob*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 12, 2008, 01:39:41 PM
 :-[ unrequited love always so sad :'(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 12, 2008, 01:56:13 PM
True, True Lady de Pond. 

I must admit that I see why Knights were forbidden to be in relation with women.  Far too dangerous and distracting.  Their crusades required so much sacrifice... :'(

But on the other hand, I prefer to think women of these times and in the "requited love" situation may have thought something along the lines of "don't let the portcullis hit you on the way out beloved"   ;) ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 12, 2008, 02:11:25 PM

Acre, Arab rule and the Crusades
The Arabs captured the city in AD 638 and held it until the Crusaders conquered Acre in 1104. The Crusaders made the town their chief port in Palestine. It was re-taken by Saladin in 1187, besieged by Guy of Lusignan in 1189 at the Siege of Acre, and again captured by Richard I of England in 1191. It then became the capital of the remnant of the Kingdom of Jerusalem in 1192. In 1229 it was placed under the control of the Knights Hospitaller (whence came one of its alternative names). It was the final stronghold of the Crusader state, and fell to the Mameluks in a bloody siege in 1291. The Ottomans under Sultan Selim I captured the city in 1517, after which it fell into almost total decay. Maundrell in 1697 found it a complete ruin, save for a khan (caravanserai) occupied by some French merchants, a mosque and a few poor cottages.

The Crusaders called the city "Acre" or "Saint-Jean d'Acre" since they mistakenly identified it with the Philistine city of Ekron, in northern Philistia, and southern Israel.



The Fall of Acre 1291


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With the death of Bohemond VII in October of 1287, the rightful heir apparent of Tripoli was Bohemond's sister Lucia, who resided in Italy. The leaders of the area wanted no part of an absent leader and offered the helm to Sibylla of Armenia, who accepted and tried to install Bishop Bartholomew, whom the Templars held in great contempt for earlier political reasons. While this decision of the rightful heir met with strong objections from local leaders and merchants, she would not back down. The people of Tripoli decreed that the royal line was deposed and that Tripoli would be a commune as was the case in Acre.

Sometime in 1288 Lucia arrived in Tripoli to assert her claim on the land and the new commune did not want to relinquish its newfound power of self-rule. The leaders petitioned the Genoese to make Tripoli a protectorate. This was well received by the Genoese as they welcomed the addition of an important trading partner. War ships were immediately dispatched to defend the city from any forces Lucia might send.

The Venetians backed Lucia and the Templars backed their allies the Venetians. Many of the Templar ships had been built by the Venetians. Soon after a mysterious envoy of Christians arrived on the door of Sultan Kalaun in Egypt requesting that he intervene in the turmoil that was brewing in Tripoli. The envoy was mysterious in that the names of those in attendance are not recorded in history, although some historians suggest that the Templar Grand Master and certainly the secretary of the order was aware of who they were. The argument of the mysterious envoy was that if the Genoese got control of Tripoli, Egyptian trading in Alexandria would be seriously impaired. This met with great approval in the court of Kalaun as he was looking for an excuse to break his treaty with the city. Although the Templar Grand Master was certain of Kalaun's motivations, he could get no serious audience in Tripoli, where everyone seemingly had an unswayable faith in the treaty with Kalaun.

In March of 1289 de Beaujeu's words were finally accepted but it was far too late; some 10,000 Moslem soldiers had surrounded the city. The Venetians and the Genoese who had Galleys were ready to quickly evacuate their people to Cyprus.

Tower after tower soon fell to the steady beat of Moslem war drums as catapults pelted the walls with volley after volley. The Venetians were the first to flee, soon followed by the Genoese, both taking all the supplies their galleys would hold. The remaining citizens were paralyzed with fear as the ships had left to sea taking their only visible means of escape.

When news of the exodus reached the ears of Kalaun, he moved with great haste as he new that the Italians would load their galleys with the richest of materials ahead of their own people. He had desperately wished to plunder the city of its merchandise. Thus he order an immediate assault to halt the further transshipment of goods.

As the Moslem army stormed the walls, they were met with only mild resistance, since Almaric of Cyprus fled the city with four galleys loaded with his own army, the Templar marshal deVanadac and Lucia. The Templar de Modaco was left in charge of the remaining Templars and was slaughtered along with the few remaining Christian forces trying to save the city from a much larger army. When those fighting in the streets were killed the armies of Kalaun began going house to house killing the men and sending women and young boys off in shackles to be sold as slaves. When the city was occupied they set off to do the same on a small island where some had fled in small fishing boats.

After all was said and done Kalaun ordered the walls of the city leveled and Tripoli effectively ceased to exist. The Templars were devastated having lost a sizable contingent of men they could scarcely afford to lose, especially in light of events to come.

Back in Acre, the citizens were in shock at the loss of Tripoli. They had falsely assumed that their trading status with the Moslems was as good a position of safety as any army could be. King Hugh immediately dispatched word to the Pope and the collective monarchs of Europe for military support. The support was not to be forthcoming and the collective opinion was that there was not strong enough need for a new crusade to defend the Holy Land.

Support did eventually come in the form of a rag tag army of mercenary soldiers made up of unemployed Italians and peasants. Since the Venetians had a vested business interest in Acre and an excellent fleet of ships, they transported the unskilled and untested army to Acre.


Disenfranchised that no pay was forthcoming for their efforts the untrained army began to rob the citizens and steal from the merchants. One morning a street fight broke out between the soldiers and a group of Moslems. History does not record the nature of the fracas, but it soon led to a full-scale riot as more and more people took sides in the fight. At the end of the day many Moslems lay dead and the families of the slain wanted revenge and justice.

An envoy of the mourning left Acre for the court of Kalaun. On arriving they were given audience with the sultan and each one in turn told his version of the tale dropping the blood soaked garments of their dead before the Moslem leader. Kalaun vowed justice and immediately set out to use all his resources to prepare every siege engine he could lay hand to and set his army out to mete out the needed punishment. Kalaun did not of course make this decision public and instead sent letters to the Christians demanding that the guilty be turned over to him for proper trial.

The Venetians who had brought the army to Acre were vehemently opposed to this. Their opinion was that it would reflect badly on them to simply turn the men over to the Moslems. Although long time allies with the Venetians, the Templars took the contrary view and felt the men should be turned over to the sultan if peace was to be restored and Acre remain safe. De Beaujeu, the Grand Master of the Templars knew the sultan's motivations and was chastised by the Christians of Acre as being a coward. The citizens felt the Templars were more interested in protecting their growing financial interests and had given up their original role as protectors of the Christina faithful. In this sense they felt the Templars had turned their back on Christ.

The Grand Master's warning was not heeded to and letters were sent back to the sultan. These letters expressed deep regret for the unfortunate incident and laid the blame at those guilty Venetian soldiers and not at the Kingdom of Jerusalem as a whole. While the Christians were using political spin to save their hides Kalaun was building a formidable war machine. As hammers struck wood building more siege engines, word began to trickle through Outremer that war was afoot. To divert their attentions from his true goal Kalaun circulated a story that his war machine was destined for the Sudanese and Nubians who were both late in their tribute payments.

De Beaujeu did not believe the deception for a moment and continued to warn Acre, but his warning again fell upon deaf ears. Since the Grand Master had not given his support to the Venetians over the surrender of the soldiers, the Venetians sought to get even by not lending their support to the Templars on the warnings.

The cards dealt by Kalaun was of little importance because by the time any decision had been made, Kalaun lay dead in his tent never hearing the outcome of the Christian's decision. This did little to stop the ultimate fate of Acre as a new player picked up the cards his father had dealt. Al Ashraf Khalil was ready to carry on what his father had begun. The siege engines were built; swords sharpened and horse hooves shoed. Winter had fallen so it was decided that the advancement of the army would wait until spring.

Meanwhile the Christians at Acre were anxious to learn of the intentions of the new sultan and sent an envoy of one Templar, one Hospitaller, an Arab translator and a secretary who would prepare any paperwork required to cut a new deal. As soon as they arrived they were jailed and word soon came back to Acre that they were dead. The dice had been tossed and it didn't look like good news was on the horizon.

In the spring of 1291 the sultans army set out and the citizens of Acre, who the previous fall had so chastised the Grand Master of the Templars for his cowardice, now begged him to save them from the coming army.

While the Templars held the largest force in Acre and the Hospitallers also had a good-sized army, they were no match for the 160,000 men the Moslems were sending. This army consisted of 100,000 foot soldiers and some 60,000 horsemen. The Templars and Hospitallers always at the ready to wage war, set out to make preparations for the coming battle. The Teutonic Knights who also had a force in Acre were politically ridiculed and embarrassed when their Grand Master resigned in fear of the coming battle. They were able to elect a new leader in time for the battle.

The Genoese loaded their vessels and left before the fighting started. Having nothing to gain from the war and not wishing to aid the rival Venetians they saw no fit reason to stick around.

A great wall surrounded Acre at the time supported by ten towers. While this would seem a secure fortification it was only a temporary means of protection against the many siege towers and catapults the Moslems brought to tear them down.

Since the sultan did not send a fleet the seaside was open to the Christians for supplies. One ship was quickly equipped with a catapult and set to sea to protect the city from any fleet that may come forth.

On April 6th, 1291 the first volley from the catapults began and continued to rein down on the walls and towers day and night. As the battle raged on the Templars quickly became fed up with their role as mere defenders. They had nearly two centuries of attack experience and didn't like being on the receiving end of one. It was soon decided to launch an attack on the Moslem's camp under the cover of darkness.

One evening the St. Lazarus Gate quietly opened and the silence was replaced with the hoof beats of 300 Templar war horses tearing off into the Moslem camp. Unfortunately the cover of darkness meant to provide cover did not provide the Templars with enough visibility to be effective. The horses tripped on tent ropes and the fallen Templars were slaughtered where they stood, further depleting their forces; forces which were already vastly outnumbered by the enemy.

Ever the rivals, the Hospitallers set out to show the Templars how to do the job and on another evening they charged off under the cover of darkness from the St. Anthony Gate, which was in their quarter, to finish the job the Templars had started. This time the Moslems decided to throw a little light on the issue and set brush afire. The Hospitallers seeing there was no chance of success beat a hasty retreat back through St. Anthony's Gate eating a little crow on the journey. Thus ended the nightly forays into the sultan's camp.

With each passing day the walls cracked a little more as volley after volley rang out of the Moslem catapults. By May 16th one tower cracked and the army was able to enter forcing the Christian's back to the inner wall of the doomed city. Clearly they were losing valuable ground in their defense of Acre. Two days later the sultan ordered all the kettle drums to sound and the thundering beat of the advancement was disheartening to the trembling people of Acre. Khalil ordered the forces to storm the walls and deliberately attacked all sides simultaneously, further spreading and weakening the Christian's defenses.

With this attack came the death of the Grand Master de Beaujeu. As thousands of arrows were shot over the walls, one met the unprotected part of the Grand Master's armor as he raised his sword. As he was carried away, the crusaders begged him to stay and press on. His response was that he could do more, he was already dead. True to his own words de Beaujeu died within the day from his fatal arrow wound.

As the battle waged on the Hospitaller quarter was the first to be breached and as the Moslems stormed the wall, the St Anthony Gate was quickly opened allowing more soldiers through. Soon after the Hospitaller Grand Master received a wound but wished to fight on. He had to be forcibly removed by his men and was sent off to sea.

Seeing the writing on the wall many began to flee. Almaric left in his vessels and took many nobles with him. Otto de Grandson, the Swiss leader fighting for Edward I loaded his English army into Venetian vessels and set off to sea as well. The rank and file citizen fought over any thing that would float and also set off to water.

As was the case in Tripoli the men were killed and women and young boys shackled as slaves. The elderly and infants were put to Moslem blades and the army began to plunder the city. Those who could escape made way to the Templar fort at the southernmost tip of the city, where there were about 200 Templars. Rather than flee themselves they vowed to stay and protect the women and children who had sought refuge in the Temple. Of course not all Templars were so valiant. Roger de Flor commandeered a Templar galley and offered safe passage to anyone with the prerequisite financial remuneration for the voyage.

Some five days passed as the Templars held the women and children in the safety of their fort. Annoyed that this one remaining building was obstructing the defeat of the city, Khalil sent an envoy to make a deal with the Templars. If they relinquished the fort, the lives of the women and children would be spared and the Templars could take with them not only their weapons but all they could carry.

Peter de Severy, the commander of the last remaining Templar fortress in Acre, seeing no other possible solution to the stalemate, quickly agreed to the terms. The castle gates were opened and the Moslems entered and hoisted the sultan's banner, but contrary to the deal that had been made, quickly began molesting the women and young boys. This outraged the Templars who obviously felt duped by the negated arrangement.

The doors of the castle were quietly closed, barred and swords silently drew out of sheaths. In true Templar fashion they slaughtered the attackers to a man. The sultan's flag was hoisted down and the Beauseant replaced. The battle was back on and the garrison of Templars shouted that it would continue on until their very deaths.

That evening under the cover of darkness Tibauld de Gaudin, the Temple's treasurer was escorted in to the fort. He loaded the Templar treasure and as many women and children as he could back on his ship and set sail for the Templar castle at Sidon.

The following morning the sultan sent an envoy to the fort and they expressed their deepest regrets for the actions of a few guilty men. This was a similar situation that had once been offered to the sultan by the Christian's to save Acre before the battle ever began. The envoy said that the sultan wished to meet with the commander of the fort to offer his personal apologies and to ensure that the surrender terms would be upheld this time.

De Severy, it seemed, had not learned the lesson earlier taught and selected a few Templars to accompany him on the trip to the sultan's camp. Once the party was outside they were brought to their knees and beheaded as their slack jawed brother knights watched from the walls of the fort.

The sultan's miners continued to work on the foundations of the fort and when all was ready they set timbers ablaze. As the walls began to crack Khalil ordered a party of some 2000 soldiers to storm the fort. The added weight of the attacking forces on the crumbling structure was too great and the entire building collapsed killing all who were inside and those who were trying to get inside.

With the destruction of this last Templar stronghold Khalil's conquest of Acre was completed. Meanwhile de Gaudin, the treasurer received word that he had been elected the new Grand Master. He immediately loaded the treasury and set sail for the island of Cyprus, the main headquarters of the order and an island they had once purchased form Richard I. He vowed to send reinforcement troops, but these troops never surfaced.

As city after city fell to the Moslems, the Holy Land was slipping from the hands of Christendom. All that remained of the Templars in the Holy Land was their castles at Tortosa and Athlit. On August 4th, 1291 Tortosa was abandoned and less than two weeks later on August 14th, Castle Pilgrim at Athlit was left unoccupied. Thus ended Christendom's hold on Outremer and the Crusades were effectively brought to a close.

It is ironic that while the Templars were the last to give up the fight, they would be blamed for the ultimate loss of the Holy Land. Accusations that would feed a growing contempt for the order and see their ultimate demise at the hands of a king destined to capitalize on their growing unpopularity.

Source: www.templarhistory.com

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 12, 2008, 02:23:25 PM
Fall of the Accursed Tower (specifics)

The ghosts of Akko will not rest. Even today, the town of Akko -– known as Acre to the Christian crusaders – huddles on a small talon of land on the northern shore of a great bay on the coast of Palestine. The early giants of civilization claimed the rich port in turn as a principal base for their ships of trade and war: Phoenicia, Persia, Macedon, Egypt, Rome. Located half way between the ancient inland capitals of Damascus to the north and Jerusalem to the south, Akko sometimes submitted quietly to usurpation by new masters and opened its gates. Other times, relying upon its strong walls and open port to the sea, the town resisted and was overcome, and a foul stench then wafted over the bay as the slaughtered inhabitants rotted in the streets.

A count of death, however many, is not the mark of tragedy. Nor is tragedy, however great, the mark of human perdition. The eternal coil of death and tragedy, repeated age after age, is the mark of perdition that disturbs the ghosts of Akko. One past moment, perhaps, tells all.

In 1291, William de Beaujeu, the last grand master of the Templar knights in the Holy Land, received advance warning from his spies when a great army from Egypt set out northward to expel the Christian crusaders from Acre. Two years previously, de Beaujeu received a similar warning when an army from Egypt approached Tripoli on the coast farther north – but no one believed his alarm and no preparations were made. Tripoli was razed. Now, at Acre, the most splendid jewel of Frankish Outremer, de Beaujeu's alarm was ignored again. The convincing evidence of his credibility so recently manifest in the fate of Tripoli was disregarded, and de Beaujeu was scornfully rejected, and (as Runciman tells us) "was accused of being a traitor and was insulted by the crowd as he left the hall."

In the memorable words of the philosopher Hegel, the owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the falling of dusk. Although one individual, it appears, may grasp the truth of an approaching calamity and seek to prepare for it, the mass of humanity together seems to understand the future only once it has overtaken them. Gray are all theories, quote Mephistopheles, and only the present instant of life is green. The result is tragic for one who gives warning and goes unheeded, and more, is reviled; and who yet then sets about to face the onset with courage and undiminished determination to the end. So it was with the master of the Temple and his knights at the doom of Acre.

One hundred years earlier, responding to the depredations and murder inflicted upon Moslem peoples, the noble Sultan Saladin raised a new standard of holy war, the jihad, against the Christian crusader states, and ejected them from Jerusalem, Acre, Toron, Beirut, Sidon, Nazareth, Caesarea, Nabulus, Jaffa, and Ascalon. Saladin treated the conquered with compassion and eschewed the slaughter practiced by the Christians and by his own Fatimid predecessors, which originally aroused the crusader spirit. The inspiration of Saladin for good passed away too quickly, like a lonely beacon traversing a vast, enshrouding night. The righteous wrath of the crusaders was not spent, and their greed for glory and riches and salvation in the East remained undeterred. Only a few years passed before a new levy of crusader kings smashed through the walls of Acre after a protracted and miserable siege to reoccupy the rich port that yet glittered like a marble in the sun.

The walls of Acre at the time slanted outward from the northern shoreline and turned out sharply in the middle to form a salient that connected at a right angle to the southern wall that reached the bay and covered the harbor. At the inner angle of the salient stood the Accursed Tower, so named, supposedly, because there the coins were minted that passed to Judas to betray his lord Jesus. Twice accursed, the moat outside the tower was also the place where the crusading army attempting to retake Acre from the Moslem forces of Saladin, filled the gap with their own dead, killed by disease that raged through the camp. Through this pool of putrefaction, the crusaders mined the tower until it collapsed, and stormed over the platform of corpses and the rubble of stones to force an entry, and were repulsed.

The Accursed Tower was the most exposed and vulnerable point in the walls of Acre. When the army of Egypt that de Beaujeu had foreseen reached the town, the multitude of siege engines accompanying them concentrated their artillery fire at the Accursed Tower. De Beaujeu with three hundred knights charged out one night to destroy the largest and most damaging of the siege engines, but failed. The Egyptian artillery continued to pound all along the walls unceasingly, and threw containers of explosive fire. Archers poured arrows in massive clouds against the defenders in the galleries and tower platforms. Mines were dug and torched, so the foundations of the outer towers that shielded the Accursed Tower collapsed. A general assault was finally mounted along the whole length of the walls, most forcefully at the salient, where the holy orders of the Templars and the Hospitallers with their grand masters stood and fought side by side.

In a hopeless effort to push back the invaders at the Accursed Tower, de Beaujeu was shot with an arrow in the armpit, where his hauberk did not protect him. Soldiers of the garrison cursed him to rise, but he was done with curses. "My lords," he told them, "I can do no more, for I am dead" – and he raised his arm to show them the wound. His loyal knights carried him away to the Temple, fortified in the far corner of the town by the harbor. Others at that bitter moment fled by sea, leaving the townspeople to their fate. Too late, the green of the present instant overcame the gray of theory, and the owl of Minerva ruffled its wings. The Templar knights alone stayed on and fought to the end from their Temple redoubt, and held back the invaders for two weeks longer, until their walls crashed in ruin.

Exactly one hundred years elapsed, nearly to the day, between the reconquest of Acre by the Christian crusaders in 1191, and the fall of the Accursed Tower when Grand Master of the Temple William de Beaujeu was slain, in 1291. The victorious young Sultan al-Ashraf Khalil proceeded to systematically destroy everything and everyone that existed in the place, so Egypt would never again be threatened by it. Faced by the sultan's unrelenting army, the remaining crusaders at Tyre and Sidon soon capitulated and evacuated the Holy Land forever.

Or so it seemed. Chastened, and faced by the growing might of the Ottoman Turks, the energy of the crusading West evolved a new strategy aimed at the periphery. The crusaders first ejected the Moslems from Spain, and then moved as well as they could into Algeria and North Africa. At last, Napoleon entered Egypt. For two months in 1799, he besieged the rebuilt walls of Akko, and was frustrated. Control at Suez was the principal, unrelinquished target. Finally, in 1918, at the first opportunity that came to them once the Ottomans collapsed, the French retook the Levantine coast of Syria and Lebanon, and the British heirs of Richard the Lion-Hearted retook Akko. The modern grand masters learned cunning in their manner of empire by then, and immediately established a client kingdom of Zion to mask their suzerainty. The new state of Israel occupied Akko in 1948, marking its northern coastal frontier. The Palestinian inhabitants fled.

The fine harbor of Akko, or Akka, or Acre, has now silted up, and today the town exists as a modest fishing village. The centers of strife have shifted, but the depredations and murder inflicted upon Moslem peoples by foreign crusaders in the land persist. A renewed storm of jihad rumbles on the near horizon, awaiting a new Saladin to invest it with virtue. One hundred years have not yet elapsed since the new masters of Palestine have presumed, again, to render their own version of holiness over the people there. One hundred years have not yet elapsed, and perdition calls. The owl of Minerva yet sleeps, awaiting the falling of dusk – and the ghosts of Akko will not rest.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 12, 2008, 02:24:34 PM
Third Crusade: Siege of Acre, a Prelude

To the Christian army besieging the walled Muslim city of Acre in the spring of 1191, the situation appeared nearly hopeless.

While they tightened the noose around Acre, the entrenched Christians were, in turn, being systematically squeezed by a Muslim relief force commanded by the dreaded Saladin (born Salah-ad-Din Yusuf ibn-Ayyub). Two years of warfare on the sandy beaches and plains near the city had decimated their numbers, as had the ravages of disease and starvation. Stubbornly clinging to their siege works, sandwiched between the walls and Saladin, the Christian Franks were in dire need of both reinforcements and quality leadership.

Located on the Mediterranean coast in what is today northern Israel, Acre had been a goal of the First Crusade nearly a century earlier. In that initial attempt to wrest the Holy Land from the Muslims, European Crusaders in 1099 had captured Jerusalem, the focal point of the Christian faith. Other cities, including Acre, were subsequently seized. As the Europeans, or Franks, settled in the Levant, they created Latin kingdoms buttressed by a series of fortified cities that carried on trade both with Europe and with the Muslims in Egypt and the Near East.

Internal Squabbling, however, began to weaken the unity of the Frankish states. The problem of feuding was compounded by the rise of Saladin in the II70s as Islam's greatest military leader. A warrior of relatively low birth, Saladin had seized power through war and diplomacy in Egypt and Syria after the death of the Fatamid ruler Nur al-Din. After defeating jealous nobles, Saladin was quick to distribute his wealth to bind vassals to him. Frankish historian William of Tyre noted that the provinces of Saladin's empire furnished him with 'numberless companies of horsemen and fighters, men thirsty for gold.'

Saladin was quick to take advantage of the weakening Latin kingdoms. After a series of abortive truces, he brought the Frankish army to bay on the parched plain of Hattin near the Sea of Galilee on July 4, 1187. The shimmering heat was almost as great an enemy to the armored Christians as the Muslim blades and arrows, and they died by the thousands. 'When one saw how many were dead, one could not believe there were any prisoners,' wrote Arab chronicler Ibn alAthir, 'and when one saw the prisoners, one could not believe there were any dead. Never since their invasion of Palestine had the Franks suffered such a defeat.' Among those captured was Guy of Lusignan, who had been crowned King of Jerusalem the year before.

By July 10, Saladin had hammered through the Levantine littoral, capturing Jaffa, Haifa, Caesarea, Acre and Sidon. In early September, he captured the stronghold of Ascalon, and by the end of the month he had laid siege to Jerusalem, which capitulated on October 2. Only the well-defended bastion of Tyre, under the capable leadership of Conrad of Montserrat, and a handful of isolated Crusader fortresses maintained resistance.

After the debacle at Hattin, the remaining Franks blamed each other for the defeat. Sensing the Christian despair, Saladin released Guy of Lusignan, hoping to further cloud the already murky political waters of the Frankish states. Guy immediately traveled to Tyre to reclaim his right to command as king of Jerusalem. Conrad, however, would have nothing to do with that proposal, and he abruptly slammed the city gates shut on the shocked Guy.

Feeling in need of a decisive event to bolster his sagging fortunes, Guy collected a small army of 400 horse and 7,000 foot and recklessly marched on the Muslim stronghold of Acre. Rising next to the sea, Acre had well-manned battlements and a pair of towers that dominated the landscape: the Accursed Tower, facing landward, and the Tower of Flies, brooding over the harbor. With its rich maritime trade, the city was a jewel that Guy could not resist. However, considering the relatively puny size of his force and the vast scope of the project, he would have done better to eschew the immobility of siege warfare for a war of movement and maneuver against the Muslims.

Saladin, beset by malaria, was surprised that Guy would attempt such a foolhardy venture. He was even more taken aback when the Franks successfully invested the plains stretching north and east of the city and the beaches of a crescent-shaped bay to the south. About a mile east of Acre's gates, Guy's soldiers pitched their camp on a series of mounds that they named Toron. They dug protective ditches around the encampment and filled them with water diverted from several nearby streams. With a moat established, the Franks constructed an earthen wall around the tents.

Had Saladin been able to marshal his forces immediately, their combined strength undoubtedly would have crushed Guy of Lusignan's army. But distances were great, and by the time troops from Mosul, Sinjar, Egypt and Dujar Bakr had gathered in September, the Franks had received reinforcements from Europe. According to the minstrel-chronicler Ambroise, James of Avesnes from Flanders had arrived with 'fourteen thousand renowned men-at-arms.' Shortly thereafter, 'the fleet of Danemark came with many fine castellans, who had good brown horses, strong and swift.'

These first contingents of the Third Crusade had initially docked at Tyre but had quickly sailed to Acre upon hearing of peace with Guy of Lusignan. So numerous were the Christian ships now moored in the bay and blockading Acre's harbor that their masts reminded one Muslim observer of 'tangled thickets.' Another emir, or Muslim prince, estimated the Franks' numbers had soared to 2,000 horse and 30,000 foot.

Saladin's war council decided it was time to test the Franks' strength. On the morning of September 14, 1189, the Muslims launched an attack, hoping to drive the Christians away from their encampment and punch a hole through to Acre's walls. But the Christians stood firm. Mounting another attack the following day, Muslim cavalry discovered a weak spot in the lines north of the city, and after an hour of desperate fighting, the Franks were driven back. Just as a Muslim victory seemed near, however, several attacking emirs suddenly abandoned the fray to water their horses and seek refreshments. By the time the attack was renewed, the Christians had re-formed and, according to Imad al-Din,'stood like a wall behind their mantlets, shields and lances, with levelled crossbows.'

Unable to dislodge the Crusaders, Saladin extended his lines to press the Christians from the rear–in essence, besieging them! His tight cavalry also opened a channel of supply and communication with the city. What the Muslims were unable to halt, however, was the seemingly continuous flow of fresh Europeans and equipment coming by sea. The heavily laden ships also bore timber for the construction of heavy siege engines.

More alarming to Saladin than Christian siege weapons was the news that Frederick Barbarossa, king of Germany and emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, had reached Constantinople in August with an army of 200,000 Crusaders. The Muslim leader sent letters to emirs and caliphs throughout the length and breadth of Islam begging for more troops to counter this new threat. To his despair, he not only failed to garner additional support but he also found the fidelity of some of his vassals wavering. Several emirs left the Muslim camp to prepare to defend their own homelands against Barbarossa.

Rain squalls and heavy mists heralded the coming of winter weather prohibiting all but the most foolhardy from venturing out to sea. For the Franks, the season now meant little in the way of reinforcements until spring. To the daring Armenian Muslim Admiral Lulu, however, it offered a chance to whisk men and supplies into Acre's harbor without having to contend with a heavy Frankish blockade. In December, Lulu led 50 Egyptian galleys into the harbor, brushing aside the few Christian vessels with gouts of Greek fire. Acre's garrison went wild with excitement.



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 12, 2008, 02:24:56 PM
No major engagements emerged during the winter months, only several probing skirmishes outside Acre's walls. With the coming of the calming influences of spring, the vast Frankish fleet once more resumed control of the Mediterranean. The influx of fresh troops allowed Guy of Lusignan to stage attacks that broke Saladin's supply line and isolated Acre.

As the days continued to warm and the soggy ground dried out, the Crusaders constructed siege towers with the wood imported by the Italian merchant ships. Four stories high and capable of holding up to 500 men, these movable towers loomed as high as the walls of Acre. They were covered with hides soaked in vinegar and urine, which, it was believed, could provide protection from the deadly Greek fire that had been flung down by the garrison.

By the end of April 1190, the towers were ready. While Frankish bowmen in the crenelated tops dueled archers on the walls, thousands of Christian peasant soldiers and camp followers scurried to fill the city's moat with rocks and fascines of brush. Once the ditch was filled, it was hoped, the towers could be pushed up against Acre's parapets to disgorge their occupants and carry hand-to-hand combat to the enemy.

Boulders and fire pots hurled from Muslim mangonels had little effect on lumbering siege machines, which were reinforced with iron. The garrison was saved, however, by the son of a Damascus coppersmith who developed a new formula for making Greek fire. Initially scoffed at, he was finally allowed to try his creation.

On May 5, the new combustibles were shot from a mangonel and allowed to drench the siege towers. The Christians, believing they had nothing to fear, crowded the towers with archers as they jeered the defenders. Then, according to chronicler Ibn al-Athir, the man from Damascus launched a flaming pot: 'The fire at once spread everywhere, the tower was consumed, and the outbreak happened so swiftly that the Christians had no time to flee. Men, weapons, everything was burned.' Letters to Saladin's camp reported that the moat around Acre had become 'a pool of fire with the tower as a fountain.'

Crusaders and Muslims clashed on eight successive days in June, the heat baking the growing mounds of bodies. Clouds of flies accompanied the terrible stench, and disease gripped both camps. For nearly a month after, little fighting took place.

The Frankish men-at-arms tired at last of the waiting game. On St. James' Day, July 25, they staged an attack on the Muslim lines north of Acre. It was a poorly conceived affair, with few armored knights participating. The Christian surge was primarily made up of peasant soldiers armed with pikes and axes. At-Adil, Saladin's brother and the Muslim commander in that sector, lured the Christians into his own camp, where they broke ranks to plunder the tents. Saladin quickly sent reinforcements of Mosuli and Egyptian troops to hem in the enemy. Had it not been for the courageous efforts of Ralph de Hauterive, archdeacon of Colchester in England, the embattled soldiers might have been wiped out. Surrounded by his personal guard, the heavily armored Ralph cut a line of retreat through the Muslim ranks. The damage, however, had been done. A Muslim officer reported more than 9,000 Franks stain, including the gallant Ralph.

Three days later, on July 28, the besiegers welcomed the arrival of 10,000 men under Henry of Champagne. Henry's army formed the vanguard of a much larger force that King Philip Augustus of France was bringing to the Holy Land. By fall, an English contingent headed by Baldwin, archbishop of Canterbury, landed with word that King Richard I of England had also embarked on the Crusade. It would be some time, however, before either Philip or Richard arrived at Acre.

While Henry of Champagne planned assaults on the city, including the use of battering rams, Saladin received word that Frederick Barbarossa had died while crossing a shallow river near Armenia. Although leadership fell to Barbarossa's son Frederick of Swabia, the German crusade began to disintegrate. Numerous German nobles returned to Europe. Those who remained with the Duke of Swabia were beset by famine and stain in great numbers by Muslim Seljuk and Kurdish tribesmen. 'We had many dead,' reported a German knight. 'We were obliged to kill our horses and eat their meat, and to feed the fire with our lances.' Only 5,000 ragged survivors reached friendly Tripoli, finally joining the siege at Acre in October.

Frankish fortunes continued to slide. Henry of Champagne's heavy mangonets were destroyed in a Muslim sally from Acre's gates in early September. On September 24, the Christian fleet attempted to destroy the Tower of Flies, which guarded the city's harbor, by ramming vessels loaded with combustibles into it. At a critical moment the wind shifted, and the ships collided with one another and were badly damaged. A specially built Pisan vessel, resembling a floating castle and outfitted with mangonels, was set afire during a sortie from the harbor by a flotilla of small Muslim boats.

Winter arrived early on the coast, temporarily putting an end to Christian naval supremacy. As the winter lengthened, plague and famine stalked the Crusaders' camp. Thousands succumbed to an intestinal fever. Henry of Champagne hovered near death for many weeks. Frederick of Swabia, who had suffered through his father's death and the terrible march from Germany, died in January 1191.

Food supplies had dwindled by early spring. In the Frankish camp, a silver penny bought a handful of beans or a single egg. A sack of corn cost 100 pieces of gold. The common soldier ate grass and chewed bare bones. Ambroise recorded that 'a crowd gathered around whenever a horse was killed, and a dead horse sold for more than it had ever been worth alive. Even the entrails were eaten.' So numerous were the dead that many bodies were carted to Acre's moat to help fill it in.

April finally brought relief to the beleaguered Franks. A ship swollen with grain and corn arrived at the camp, followed on April 20 by King Philip Augustus of France in a fleet of ships crammed with soldiers and war engines. Seven weeks later, in June, King Richard I of England hove into view with 25 ships, fresh from his conquest of Cyprus. En route, they had overtaken a large Muslim supply ship loaded with 650 men for the relief of Acre. Richard's vessel had rammed the enemy ship and sunk it with heavy loss of life. To the English soldiers now surveying the coast as they neared the Crusaders' bay, the vista ahead seemed to promise an army of Muslims covering mountain and valley, hill and plain. Obvious and ominous, too, were the enemy's multitudinous, brightly colored tents pitched everywhere.

The arrival of the new French and English Crusaders renewed Frankish hopes. Philip, eight years Richard's senior, offered leadership based on his experience as French king. He preferred the intricacies of siege warfare as opposed to the hand-to-hand battle relished by Richard. Although the English king lacked ruling experience, he had gained renown as a fierce fighter endowed with great personal courage.

Richard, bearing the famous soubriquet 'the Lion-Hearted,' assumed command of the siegeworks. Attempts to scale the walls had failed, but Philip's sappers had successfully tunneled beneath the Accursed Tower. The timbers supporting the mine shaft were then set on fire. Above ground, a ferocious mangonel bombardment further weakened the tower, which soon collapsed. Committing any able-bodied man who could bear arms to the breach, the Muslim defenders were barely able to fend off the attacking Franks.

Mighty siege engines continued to hurl heavy rocks and fire pots at the weakening city. French engineers constructed a stone-throwing catapult nicknamed the 'Evil Neighbor' and a huge mangonel dubbed 'God's Own Sling.' Together these monstrous machines succeeded in fracturing Acre's walls.

Italian merchant vessels plied the waters around Acre, delivering arms and armor while effectively sealing the city's harbor. A Muslim chronicler bemoaned the fact that Acre's garrison was running short of materiel, while the Franks were 'clothed in a kind of thick felt, and coats of mail as ample as they were strong, which protected them against arrows.'

Sickness, however, struck both Philip and Richard, the latter seriously. Called leonardie by Ambroise, the disease resembled scurvy, with a wasting of body and loss of hair. Weakened, Richard nevertheless ordered that he be borne by litter to the siegeworks, both to inspect operations and to buoy the Crusaders' spirits by his presence.

Saladin was unable to break through the ring of besiegers to relieve Acre. Volunteer swimmers carried messages from the city to the gathered emirs, pleading for help. A final appeal was sent out on July 7. Acre's defenders by then were too weak to man the breach made by Philip's sappers. They probably sensed they would all be massacred if the Christians were forced to take the city by storm. Against Saladin's wishes, the city surrendered to the Franks on July 12, 1191. The great Muslim leader, noted one chronicler, received the news 'like a mother who has lost her child.'

The first siege of Acre had taken nearly two years and may have cost more than 100,000 Christian casualties. The tenacity of the opposing armies, coupled with the bloodletting and abominable living conditions, led at least one historian to liken the siege to the terrible Battle of Verdun in 1916. The final savagery of the siege took place after the city had fallen. Perhaps as revenge for Muslim atrocities against Christians-but more likely because a term of surrender involving the return of the true cross (which had been captured by Saladin at Haddin) and payment of 200,400 gold pieces was not being met-Richard I ordered 2,700 of the survivors from Acre's garrison executed.

Richard the Lion-Hearted then carried the Third Crusade deep into Palestine. Squabbles had already caused contact to be broken with Conrad of Montserrat and Philip Augustus, the latter returning to France, but the Franks still were strong enough to win stirring victories at Arsuf and Jaffa. The recapture of Jerusalem, however, was a goal not to be attained.

Acre knew relative peace and prosperity as a Christian city over the next century. The rise of the Mamelukes, ferocious slave-warriors from Egypt, in the mid- 13th century signaled an end to the Frankish states of the Levant. Under Sultan alMalik Baibars, the Mamelukes took Syria from the rising new Mongol powers. In 1268, Jaffa and Antioch, former Frankish strongholds, were captured. A series of truces kept the Mamelukes at bay until negotiations broke down in 1289. Tripoli was destroyed as the sultan Qalawan turned his attention to driving all Christians out of Palestine.

Acre, by then, had been heavily fortified with double walls and a string of 12 towers set at irregular intervals on both the inner and outer walls. The 14,000 defenders consisted of Acre's citizenry, Pisan and Venetian pilgrims to the Holy Land, a contingent of Cypriots, and a small group of English and Swiss knights. The bulk of the defense rested on the knights of the Teutonic, Templar and Hospitaler military orders.

AI-Ashraf Khalil, the Mamelukes' new sultan, had raised an army of more than 100,000 cavalry and foot. Among his huge siege weapons was a catapult dubbed 'Victorious,' which had to be transported in pieces on a train of specially constructed carts. 'The carts were so heavy,' noted Muslim chronicler Abu'l-Feda, 'that the trip took us more than a month, although in normal times eight days would have sufficed.'

On April 5, 1291, Khalil arrived before the walls of Acre. His siege engines rained stones and fire pots upon the city. A steady fire was returned by the city's mangonels and by a Frankish ship sporting a heavy catapult. The Mamelukes were also peppered with arrows, according to Abu'l-Feda, from 'Frankish boats topped by wooden-covered turrets lined with buffalo hide, from which the enemy fired at us with bows and crossbows.'

Khalil ordered a general assault on Acre on Friday, May 18. Driven by the boom and bang of 300 drums and cymbals, the white-turbaned Mamelukes rushed the walls as mangonels and archers kept up a blistering fusillade. They stormed the Accursed Tower, rebuilt after its destruction a century earlier. A furious counterattack led by Hospitaler Marshal Matthew of Clermont stymied the Mamelukes for a time, but their numbers were too great. Tower after tower fell. The Templars and Hospitalers died in bands, surrounded by the screaming Egyptians. Matthew of Clermont finally fell as the Mamelukes burst into the city streets.

Defenders and noncombatants in Acre streamed to the harbor, where Venetian vessels waited to rescue them. There were too few ships, however, to save all the fugitives. Those Christians unable to leave the city were slaughtered by the Mamelukes.

Meanwhile, a desperate standoff developed at the castle of the Templars in the northwest part of Acre. The besieged knights fought valiantly for several days, and were actually offered their freedom–until treachery cut that hope short. Cypriot ships hovered about rescuing women and children from the castle's seaward wall. Mameluke tunnels, however, crumbled the main landward wall. Sultan Khalil impatiently ordered 2,000 warriors to break through the dazed defenders at the breach. The sagging foundation of the castle suddenly collapsed, burying Christian and Muslim alike. As the dust settled, Acre had finally been returned to Muslim hands.

To make sure Acre never became a Christian bastion again, Sultan Khalil ordered its walls, castles and buildings to be torn down and burned. Boulders were rolled into the harbor to end its days as a port facility.

The fall of Acre to the Christians in 1191 had ignited a new wave of Crusading fervor that bolstered the faltering Latin Kingdoms. Richard I emerged as a larger-than-life hero in one of history's last great sieges before the use of gunpowder. The city's ultimate demise in 1291 at the hands of the Mamelukes was a bloody epitaph to 200 years of Crusader warfare.


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This article was written by Kenneth P. Czech and originally published in the August 2001 issue of Military History magazine.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 12, 2008, 02:56:15 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 12, 2008, 02:23:25 PM
Fall of the Accursed Tower (specifics)

So let me get this straight...no forbidden love?

This tale is a great read. 

Love the last line, The owl of Minerva yet sleeps, awaiting the falling of dusk – and the ghosts of Akko will not rest.  
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 12, 2008, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 12, 2008, 02:56:15 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 12, 2008, 02:23:25 PM
Fall of the Accursed Tower (specifics)
So let me get this straight...no forbidden love?

Ha! No!  ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 13, 2008, 09:50:39 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarcr.gif)  Rule 71. Let Them Not Have Familiarity with Woman

We believe it to be a dangerous thing for any religious to look too much upon the face of a woman. For this reason none of you may presume to kiss a woman, be it widow, young girl, mother, sister, aunt or any other; and henceforth the knighthood of Jesus Christ should avoid at all cost the embraces of woman, by which men have perished many times, so that they may remain eternally before the face of God with a pure conscience and sure life

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 13, 2008, 09:57:50 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 13, 2008, 09:50:39 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarcr.gif)  Rule 71. Let Them Not Have Familiarity with Woman

We believe it to be a dangerous thing for any religious to look too much upon the face of a woman. For this reason none of you may presume to kiss a woman, be it widow, young girl, mother, sister, aunt or any other; and henceforth the knighthood of Jesus Christ should avoid at all cost the embraces of woman, by which men have perished many times, so that they may remain eternally before the face of God with a pure conscience and sure life



otherwords to die alone without knowing the joy and pain of Love. Without the joy of knowing the crown of creation.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 13, 2008, 09:59:17 AM

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarcr.gif)  Rule 71 1/2. Let Them Not Have Familiarity with Woman

We believe it to be a dangerous thing for any religious to look too much upon the face of a woman. For this reason none of you may presume to kiss or embrace a woman unless its....


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 13, 2008, 10:41:04 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 13, 2008, 09:59:17 AM

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We believe it to be a dangerous thing for any religious to look too much upon the face of a woman. For this reason none of you may presume to kiss or embrace a woman unless its....


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Upon the completion of an emergency session of the Order of the Temple counsel, to address such issues as that mentioned above, the Brothers are in agreement (unanimously, the vote was all for- zero against) with the above statement of Frere William. It is understood that "sacrifices must be made" for the good of the Order.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 13, 2008, 12:23:12 PM
and we thank for you such a fine display of the true nature of the Y chromosome   :P :P

*FF thinks to herself, no forbidden love my derrière!"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 14, 2008, 03:37:28 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 13, 2008, 10:41:04 AM
Upon the completion of an emergency session of the Order of the Temple counsel, to address such issues as that mentioned above, the Brothers are in agreement (unanimously, the vote was all for- zero against) with the above statement of Frere William. It is understood that "sacrifices must be made" for the good of the Order.  ;)

AMEN!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 14, 2008, 09:40:37 AM
Checking in on a Hospitaller field station

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 14, 2008, 09:42:00 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 14, 2008, 11:16:44 AM
they looks ready but ready for what?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 14, 2008, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 13, 2008, 12:23:12 PM
and we thank for you such a fine display of the true nature of the Y chromosome   :P :P


That is why we accepted the making of these certain sacrifices.... ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 14, 2008, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 14, 2008, 11:16:44 AM
they looks ready but ready for what?

Are you serious??   They're gearing up to go do some "saracen head thumpin!"


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 14, 2008, 03:01:28 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 14, 2008, 11:16:44 AM
they looks ready but ready for what?

Somebody missed the first 29 pages of this thread...... :-[

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 14, 2008, 11:34:30 PM
 Heeeeelloooooo McFly!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Martin on August 15, 2008, 12:50:55 AM
Greetings all.  A few months ago (before the forums were invaded by the saracen and we were forced to regroup), I asked for advice on acquiring Templar garb.  I was unable to purchase at that time, and now the links on your responses have been lost.   :(  As I prepare for TRF, I again humbly ask for your assistance.  I am looking to start out with the basics and add more accessories when possible.  My priorities are to appear as authentic as possible within a reasonable budget.  I don't want to cut corners to the point where the garb looks like a cheap halloween costume ... at the same time I don't want to break the bank either.  I am beseeching you to advise me on my options.

Could the kind and noble frere please help with the following:

Do you consider the "Templar Set" by House Morningstar a good choice?  The surcoat and burnoose should provide some flexibility for the vagaries of Texas weather.  Is there, however, another surcoat/burnoose vendor I should consider?  Is the cross emblazoned on this set not preferable?
http://housemorningstar.com/crusadertemplaritems.html

As for headgear ... what would work best for warm weather?  Would you prefer a nasal helm or simply a coif?  What would be your vendor of choice here?  If a coif would be sufficient, what should be worn underneath and where might that be acquired?

What to wear under the surcoat for a faire that is mostly warm weather?  I find cold weather less challenging as it is always possible to layer insulation underneath the prime garb.  Would a chainemaille bernie/shirt be necessary or is there another acceptable lightweight item that would look good under the surcoat?  (I doubt I would need/use the burnoose until November at TRF).

A sword and scabbard would be the next necessity.  I don't need performer/fighting class spring steel, just something that looks nice and will not fall apart if it is taken off the wall hanger.   :)

What else would I need to get started?

Thank you for your thoughts/opinions.  I thought this might be the appropriate place for this post ... if it is not, please advise and I will move it to the proper area.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 06:49:37 AM
Blessings and Welcome back to this thread Sir Martin.

I am confident these noble Knights here would love nothing better than to advise you on your Templar outfitting.  After all, conversion of the secular community is the ultimate goal. 

No doubt you will hear from them just as soon as they arise from a late night of slaughtering saracen infidels.  (Sorry Lady De Pond, I did my homework  ;))

How fun to create a new character!




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 15, 2008, 07:26:41 AM
Lord Martin (soon to be Frere Martin),

Welcome back, and as Sister Falchion has said, we always seek to "Save" those in need.  ;)

The HM Templar set is ok (black fringe is out!), but you will be waiting for some time to get it. Both Frere William and I, had special order work done, so that we could get our gear done as historically accurate as possible. The lady of that facility recently passed away, so work from there has slown down.
If you're just wanting a convient Templar image, I would recommend Museum Replicas, as my history with them has always been great. They have a good Templar set, that is made from heavy weight material.
You might also seek out EBAY. Search for Kingdom of Heaven Crusader/Templar attire. The GDFB "Get Dressed For Battle" crew also has a good set, but they have teamed up with some suppliers that tend to be slow.

As for weapons and kit, again I suggest MR, but also EBAY. Seek out the blades and scabbards that are simple in appearance to adhere to the "Rule".

Hit us up any time, we love the questions, and look forward to your "induction". ;D

As for Templar crosses, there was no specific standard, and it appears they changed with the whims of the Grand Masters. We prefer to stay with the Helen Nicholson representation. Also the Order in Spain tended to live a distinctively different representational path.

Here's a couple of examples of items you might seek:

Frere William uses the sleeved robe to good effect with a coif during hot weather.
Regular surcoats require some armor under them to pull off an accurate appearance, even with a cloak.

http://www.museumreplicas.com/museumreplicas/detail.aspx?ID=169


http://www.museumreplicas.com/museumreplicas/detail.aspx?ID=1359


http://www.museumreplicas.com/museumreplicas/detail.aspx?ID=1662

http://www.museumreplicas.com/museumreplicas/detail.aspx?ID=1333


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 15, 2008, 09:07:32 AM
 ;D sorry got pre occupied forgot to do homework ;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 15, 2008, 11:39:01 AM
Today's messenger brought:

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 15, 2008, 12:07:54 PM
Annnnnnnnnnd... how do you like it??


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 15, 2008, 12:33:03 PM
Thank you, I thought you'd appreciate that. ;D

As for the ring; it's quite heavy...sterling silver of course. Since I DON'T often wear rings, this will be an attention getter in my mundane attire. As for how well it looks and craftsmanship: I'd give it a 9 out of 10. It's simple but makes a big statement. I recommend it for what we discussed on the side. Cost effective. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 12:55:18 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 15, 2008, 12:33:03 PM
I recommend it for what we discussed on the side. Cost effective. ;)

does this perchance involve black fringe?   ;) ;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 15, 2008, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 12:55:18 PM
does this perchance involve black fringe?   ;) ;)

Aaaaaahhhhh.........no. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 01:39:22 PM
Pity.  In my Order, and given the appropriate context, black fringe is never out.   :D ;)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 15, 2008, 01:42:34 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 01:39:22 PM
Pity.  In my Order, and given the appropriate context, black fringe is never out.   :D ;)


The wisdom of the 'Y' chromosome, and the proximity of the matriarch, prevents me from running with this........... ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 01:46:51 PM
Yes, I know my strategy.   :) :)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 15, 2008, 01:50:00 PM
Did it just get hot in here??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 15, 2008, 01:51:44 PM
Well played M'lady. *smacks forehead with open palm*    SCORE: Women -1, Warrior Monks- 1,000,000  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 15, 2008, 01:53:31 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 01:54:49 PM
I am sure that even Brother William would agree that every Warrior Nun needs a little black fringe up her surcoat.... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 01:56:24 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 15, 2008, 01:51:44 PM
Well played M'lady. *smacks forehead with open palm*    SCORE: Women -1, Warrior Monks- 1,000,000  ;) ;D

no fair, you're not taking into account the other 30 pages of this thread, plus the pages lost in the Saracen raid! 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 15, 2008, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 01:54:49 PM
I am sure that even Brother William would agree that every Warrior Nun needs a little black fringe up her surcoat.... ;D ;D ;D

Aaaaarrrrggggghhhhh...I can't run with this!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 15, 2008, 01:58:46 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 01:56:24 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 15, 2008, 01:51:44 PM
Well played M'lady. *smacks forehead with open palm*    SCORE: Women -1, Warrior Monks- 1,000,000  ;) ;D

no fair, you're not taking into account the other 30 pages of this thread, plus the pages lost in the Saracen raid! 

You are absolutely correct!

SCORE (updated): Women -1, Warrior Monks- 11,000,000  ;) ;D
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 15, 2008, 02:04:31 PM
 (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarcr.gif)  Templar Rule 70.) On Sisters

The company of woman is a dangerous thing, for by it the old devil has led many from the straight path to Paradise. Henceforth, let not ladies be admitted as sisters into the house of the Temple; that is why, very dear brothers, henceforth it is not fitting to follow this custom, that the flower of chastity is always maintained among you.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 02:06:21 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 15, 2008, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 01:54:49 PM
I am sure that even Brother William would agree that every Warrior Nun needs a little black fringe up her surcoat.... ;D ;D ;D

Aaaaarrrrggggghhhhh...I can't run with this!  ;)

watch your step, I see that gait of yours is starting to falter...

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 02:10:47 PM
I think it's a wee bit late for the flower of chastity....it's already fallen from the vine! 

However, to avoid losing my visiting dignitary status with the Knights, I withdraw any further discussions that may endanger your "flowers"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 15, 2008, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 02:10:47 PM
However, to avoid losing my visiting dignitary status with the Knights..

*HUDDLE!*  Emergency session of the Council is called to order in reference to the above mentioned status.  ;) :P

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/templargroup.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 15, 2008, 02:27:28 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 15, 2008, 02:04:31 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarcr.gif)  Templar Rule 70.) On Sisters
that the flower of chastity is always maintained among you.

ROFL men having flowers of chastity  ;D that just made my day ROFL
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 15, 2008, 02:30:08 PM
Mine smells quite nicely! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 02:38:03 PM
"Chastity is a monkish and evangelical superstition, a greater foe to natural temperance even than unintellectual sensuality; it strikes at the root of all domestic happiness, and consigns more than half of the human race to misery."

Shelley
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 15, 2008, 02:46:27 PM
Update:

In Jewish, Christian and Islamic religious contexts, acts of sexual nature are restricted to the context of marriage. For unmarried persons therefore, chastity is identified with sexual abstinence. Sexual acts outside or apart from marriage, such as adultery, fornication and prostitution, are considered sinful.

In the context of marriage, the spouses commit to a lifelong relationship which excludes the possibility of sexual intimacy with other persons. Chastity therefore involves marital fidelity. Within marriage, several practices are variedly considered unchaste, such as sexual intimacy during or shortly after menstruation or childbirth.

The particular ethical system may not prescribe each of these. For example, within the scope of Christian ethic, Roman Catholics view sex within marriage as chaste.


Counsel still in session. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 15, 2008, 03:17:17 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 15, 2008, 02:46:27 PM
Update:

the particular ethical system may not prescribe each of these. For example, within the scope of Christian ethic, Roman Catholics view sex within marriage as chaste.


Counsel still in session. ;)


i concour
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 16, 2008, 07:30:22 AM
After a marathon extended session, the council has changed the Lady Femme's status from visiting dignitary to senior Panjandrum, with a clause for continuance to Grand Panjandrum should the occasion arise. Welcome to the team. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 16, 2008, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 15, 2008, 02:10:47 PM
However, to avoid losing my visiting dignitary status with the Knights, I withdraw any further discussions that may endanger your "flowers"

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/TemplarShoreParty-1-1.jpg)    Are we not blind? Do we not see what has happened here? Words written by the hands of frere Hugues de Payens, his blessed Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, and Saint Benedict have discouraged and withdrew this demon who possessed the Lady Femme. This demon who attempted to tuant us with talk regarding to pleasures of the flesh has been revoked by the words set forth by the our founding brethren. It is clearly another victory of good over evil. Welcome back Lady Warrior!

Deus lo Vult!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 16, 2008, 04:50:04 PM
Sir Martin

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0022-1.jpg)   As frere Cliff has already provided you with excellent source of information for your journey.
Please allow me to continue to repeat with a few more ideas & suggestions towards the warrior path of righteousness. 

Quote from: Sir Martin on August 15, 2008, 12:50:55 AM
Do you consider the "Templar Set" by House Morningstar a good choice?  The surcoat and burnoose should provide some flexibility for the vagaries of Texas weather.  Is there, however, another surcoat/burnoose vendor I should consider?  Is the cross emblazoned on this set not preferable?
http://housemorningstar.com/crusadertemplaritems.html



When choosing a set stay away from black trim. Templar habits were just white or an off white unless you were a sergeant in the order. Then Black & brown is your choice. As for the cross, make sure it is placed over the left chest to assure you of a more noted historical appearance. Cross selection is your own personal preference. Although, a popular cross, and the official cross represented by a majority of the members on this forum, AND NOT to mention the most visible cross during the time of the crusades was a " Greek, potent, 3 tab, triangular" proudly displayed below..

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/283px-Cross_of_the_Knights_Templar.png)





HouseMorningstar
Earlier this year "James" (co-owner) of Morningstar was experiencing some personal problems especially with unexpected passing of his wife as one could only imagine.  He appears to and IS getting back on track and currently has about a one month waiting period for most garments. He is currently working on our burnooses now, and as far as his work I personally recommend him. (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thumbup.gif)




Quote from: Sir Martin on August 15, 2008, 12:50:55 AM
As for headgear ... what would work best for warm weather?  Would you prefer a nasal helm or simply a coif?  What would be your vendor of choice here?  If a coif would be sufficient, what should be worn underneath and where might that be acquired?

1. Arming Cap
2. Chainmaile Coif
3. Nasal Helm- gotta have a helm!


1. Arming cap - Just a simple white linen or cotton arming cap is all you need. Usually you can find them for $10.00 from most merchants.

2. Chainmaile coif - When your at an event and the time comes to remove your helm, a chainmaile coif will still allow you a most noble look.  I highly recommend (and if your budget allows) going with "riveted flat rings" you can usually find several  good merchants on ebay selling them  for around $125.00. 

Note: If you go and buy butted rings your eventually going to want riveted (trust me you will)

3. Nasal helm - Nasal helms are a nice bucket, they look very cool and the maidens love them. They will allow you to drink, eat and basically function without removing your intimidating headgear, you won't bake to death either.  You can get into a decent Nasal helm for about $60.00. There is seller on ebay that has already provided us with 4 of them without complaint.
Once again, ebay is a great source to find a great looking helm on a knights payroll

 




Quote from: Sir Martin on August 15, 2008, 12:50:55 AM
What to wear under the surcoat for a faire that is mostly warm weather?  I find cold weather less challenging as it is always possible to layer insulation underneath the prime garb.  Would a chainmaile bernie/shirt be necessary or is there another acceptable lightweight item that would look good under the surcoat? 

If you choose a sleeved robe like the one from the "Soldier of God" collection (which I have personally logged many hours in)

http://www.museumreplicas.com/museumreplicas/detail.aspx?ID=169

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/crusader.jpg)


or the Templar robe that fra Joseph Lamar is displaying below from Morningstar...

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/kentuckyfaire042-1-1.jpg)

..you can get away without a wearing a chainmaile hauberk because visually with a sleeved robe no one would ever see your hauberk or know your even wearing one!  Now, you can save a little coinage and walk around all day feeling little lighter.

However, if you have decide you want to go with a surcoat, then you might consider a chainmaile hauberk.

Quote from: Sir Martin on August 15, 2008, 12:50:55 AM
A sword and scabbard would be the next necessity.  I don't need performer/fighting class spring steel, just something that looks nice and will not fall apart if it is taken off the wall hanger.

There are many options however, I have been eyeballing this particular piece for a while now. It appears to be a good piece of steel for its weight in gold!

http://www.imperialcoinc.com/Shared/IP-003b.html

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarlg.jpg)

If you need any detailed info please feel free to contact us

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/TemplarFlag.png)

Pax Vobicum






Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 16, 2008, 06:41:40 PM
Meanwhile....back in the virtual Temple Keep..activity abounds.

In an effort to maintain Femme Falchion's diverse and valued (yet dangerous) presence among the Brothers, a special closed door emergency session of the council has resulted in bestowing Femme Falchion with a perfunctory title while plans to covertly facilitate an exorcism are underway. 

However, FF cannot be located.  Squires bring word.  Following what appears to be the squelching of serious insurrection in the Grove (the young sires refused their midday slumber) FF has departed for "official" duties in the countryside;  a family asks assistance in a birth, fall crops require blessings, an "attitude adjustment" for a husband in his cups, and a band of traveling gypsies are in need of a good latke recipe.

In a brief note, FF reminds the respected council that she trusts when solicited to join this gathering of warriors it was to provide a multiform and unique female perspective which may indeed serve to strengthen the stolid resolve of the good Knights of the Orders.  She further suggests that the noble Knights may find discussing opposing positions to be quite energizing.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 17, 2008, 08:22:44 AM

The Lady's request for imput in this thread was thought to help broaden the viewer base and serve as an Affirmative Action Plan [1] amendment to the Rule. ;)
While the Council of Nine fully understands that life continues on while they are in session, they hope that the thread flock realizes that they not be present when fair and impartial judgment is handed down. [2] :P

As for : an "attitude adjustment" for a husband in his cups........
By the Almighty's thunder where I could go with this....... ;D

And: In a brief note, FF reminds the respected council that she trusts when solicited to join this gathering of warriors it was to provide a multiform and unique female perspective which may indeed serve to strengthen the stolid resolve of the good Knights of the Orders. [3]  She further suggests that the noble Knights may find discussing opposing positions to be quite energizing.[4]


[NOTE 1]: Motivation for affirmative action is a desire to redress effects of actual or perceived, past or current discrimination that is regarded as unfair.

[NOTE 2]: Nothing less could be expected when the 'Y' chromosome deliberates.

[NOTE 3]: (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarcr.gif)  Rule 71. Let Them Not Have Familiarity with Woman

We believe it to be a dangerous thing for any religious to look too much upon the face of a woman. For this reason none of you may presume to kiss a woman, be it widow, young girl, mother, sister, aunt or any other; and henceforth the knighthood of Jesus Christ should avoid at all cost the embraces of woman, by which men have perished many times, been forced to attend prolonged shopping expeditions, provide a large an solid shoulder for them to weep upon when venting about non related items, pay support for offspring, the list of charges goes on and on,  so that they may remain eternally before the face of God with a pure conscience and sure life.

[NOTE 4]: Energizing would not be the word here, challenging would be appropriate, and as Warrior Monks we enjoy the challenge, and follow in the example provided by the church in the Albigensian Crusade when they sent clergy to conduct debates with the misguided soon to be heretics, before military action was taken. Even St Francis debated with the Saracen to prevent the further effusion of bloodshed, before Frankish steel showed the infidel the errors in their ways.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 18, 2008, 07:00:51 AM
FF returns with a new pious and chaste visage.  **Indeed, the brainwashing exorcism has been successful!!!.....at least for the time being**

Thank you most venerable and wise Council of Nine.  I have so much to learn **FF is forced to stop speaking as she grabs the nearest Knight to cry on his shoulder and inadvertently blows her nose on his tunic**



Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 17, 2008, 08:22:44 AM
As for : an "attitude adjustment" for a husband in his cups........
By the Almighty's thunder where I could go with this....... ;D

just for clarification....and I can't believe I missed it....this is not the spirit in which the statement was intended.   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2008, 07:12:13 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 18, 2008, 07:00:51 AM
Thank you most venerable and wise Council of Nine.  I have so much to learn **FF is forced to stop speaking as she grabs the nearest Knight to cry on his shoulder and inadvertently blows her nose on his tunic**

It's actually a Council of a solid 3, but possible 4 or 5 in the near future, with the
goal of 9 like the original set up.

blows her nose on his tunic**...aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhhh!

Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 18, 2008, 07:00:51 AMjust for clarification....and I can't believe I missed it....this is not the spirit in which the statement was intended.   :)

And just how was it intended? But be careful, your words will be scrutinized for any heresy directed at the 'Y'!  ;)

Another member of this distinguished thread thought you must be a Lawyer with your last post... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 18, 2008, 07:26:08 AM
the attitude adjustment that I referred to, righteous Council, required that my boot make contact with the backside of a dishonorable, heavy-handed man, taken to excessive drink...a godless heathen as well, I am sure of it. And furthermore, **FF is again overtaken by sobbing** he criticised his wife's meal preparation.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2008, 07:28:51 AM
 :o

I can only assume that this wasn't a member of the fortress, and that the crucifix was planted with sufficient force in the cranial housing unit to help convert the lost soul....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 18, 2008, 08:56:14 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 18, 2008, 07:28:51 AM
I can only assume that this wasn't a member of the fortress, and that the crucifix was planted with sufficient force in the cranial housing unit to help convert the lost soul....

Aye, as this one hopefully assumes as well.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 18, 2008, 09:11:29 AM
UPDATE

I have been informed that the book in which our beloved brother is proudly displayed (gracing the cover), will be available in ALL major book retailers in the USA come September 2008....Deus Vult!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/meA-Ztemplarbookrollo.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 18, 2008, 09:17:33 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 18, 2008, 07:28:51 AM
:o

I can only assume that this wasn't a member of the fortress, and that the crucifix was planted with sufficient force in the cranial housing unit to help convert the lost soul....

Rest assured, this was a knave from the barbaric countryside.  The members of this fortress are totally and completly converted and zealously devote.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 18, 2008, 09:20:01 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 18, 2008, 09:11:29 AM
UPDATE

I have been informed that the book in which our beloved brother is proudly displayed, gracing the cover, will be available in ALL major book retailers in the USA come September 2008....Deus Vult!


**FF weeps for joy**  I feel a lengthy and protracted shopping trip coming on.....God wills it. **waily, waily**
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 18, 2008, 10:27:04 AM
 ;) whos waily waily? never heard of him
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 18, 2008, 12:51:49 PM
We just recently visited our State Fair and I stumbled across what appeared to be some medieval ovine that quite possibly could be representing the order in traditional battle dress. I'm assuming they might be pre 1147 due to the absent of the cross.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animal%20Pictures%20and%20Gifs/2008_0812Image0002.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 18, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
 :o aweful short warriors maybe we should toss em back and try for something bigger
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2008, 01:27:04 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 18, 2008, 12:51:49 PM
We just recently visited our State Fair and I stumbled across what appeared to be some medieval ovine that quite possibly could be representing the order in traditional battle dress. I'm assuming they might be pre 1147 due to the absent of the cross.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animal%20Pictures%20and%20Gifs/2008_0812Image0002.jpg)

Interesting photo, although my first thought was they were members of the Teutonic Order, with all the black and white, and as a late bloomer of the Military Orders, you could always lead them around by the nose...... :P  (I beg forgiveness from the late Hermann von Salza)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2008, 01:27:45 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 18, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
:o aweful short warriors maybe we should toss em back and try for something bigger

Another door opened, that I will not pass through................yet. ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 18, 2008, 01:58:36 PM
Teutonics ovine! Yes, I see what your seeing now.  I totally agree .

( Also begging forgiveness from the late Hermann von Salza)




As for ASHley  ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2008, 02:03:42 PM
In an effort to reach all of our target audience  :P, I have put together what looks to be a promising endeavor..... ;)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Catinthehelm.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 18, 2008, 02:07:54 PM
ROLMAO! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/24.gif)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2007_1205Image0004-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 18, 2008, 02:21:18 PM
Brother, if I might continue.  I feel by led by the holy spirits.

6 cats kill the infidel hoard, helmed by the word of the Lord
7 cats raided the coffers bare, their helms covered their well coiffed hair
8 cats light the Lady's fire, helmed against fleshly desire
9 cats donned helm and shield to form the Council to all whom yield
10 cats on a sunny day joined the 1 and went on Crusade
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2008, 02:23:10 PM
M'lady, you're hired! ;) When can you crank out the next one? ;D ;) :P


Senior Panjandrum....nice.......we like it. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 18, 2008, 02:23:38 PM
Does this secure my seat on this Council? ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2008, 02:25:53 PM
Grand Panjandrum for sure, nothing less would do!  ;)

Witness the first digital battlefield promotion on this thread...... ;D

PS: We restore heaven and never raise hell..... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 18, 2008, 02:40:18 PM
I am honored *sniffle, sniffle* and will continue to work towards further advancement (keep those affirmative action directives in mind Brothers..wink wink)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 18, 2008, 02:42:53 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 18, 2008, 01:58:36 PM

As for ASHley  ???

i see i'm still a mystery to the warriors among this board
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2008, 02:52:42 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/_nun.jpg)


Sorry.....couldn't resist!  ;) :P ;D

Nisi eos vince potes..........yes, yes, welcome to the Team!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 18, 2008, 03:08:17 PM
Love it.  Like the accessories too. The pouch is just the right size for tissue and coin during those uncontrolled weeping spells and unbridled shopping trips.

Curious to know, how exactly does Rule 71 apply to me (given the new world order)?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2008, 03:13:41 PM
Apparently it still stands, and you'll be safe from Ellen Degeneritus, a horrible affliction experienced by what appears to be a growing and alarming number on the western shores.  :P


A little bit about Sisters in the surviving Orders:

The priests of the Order did not have to make noble proofs but were required to descend from a gentle family. In 1855, more than two centuries after the disappearance of the convents of ladies of the Order, the institution of Lady Hospitallers of Saint Mary of Jerusalem or Sisters of the Teutonic Order, was restored and the Grand Master gave several houses for the sisters at his own personal expense. Certain of the properties outside Austria had been recovered, notably the chapter house in Frankfurt, and these were now occupied by the religious brethren and sisters. Stripped of its military function, although the Knights were entitled to wear a military uniform, the Order was now dedicated to a religious, humanitarian and philanthropic mission in a spirit of "brotherly consciousness" and provided ambulance and hospital services in the wars of 1850-1 and 1859 (with Italy), 1864 and 1866 (with Prussia) and 1914-18. The reforms introduced by the Archduke Maximilian served to reinvigorate the spiritual life of the Order, with some fifty-four priests received during his twenty-eight year Magistery. Many ancient buildings belonging to the Order but long left to decay were restored while the church of the Order in Vienna was given many valuable relics and religious artifacts. By the time he died in 1863 Maximilian had given more than 800,000 florins for the support of the sisters, hospitals and schools, and 370,000 for the Teutonic priests.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 18, 2008, 04:06:45 PM
I humbly request assignment to the Order of the Hatchet.  I believe it's function and privileges to be a better "fit" than a strictly humanitarian role.  If you'll review my CV you'll notice that I have weapon finesse and specialization in hatchet (as well as falchion), speak a bit of the native tongue and have vast knowledge and experience with Spanish wines.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2008, 07:51:24 PM
ATTENTION TO ORDERS:

Let it be known to all readers and thread pilgrims, that from this day hence, the Lady Femme Falchion, be formally known as Grand Mistress of the Order of the Hatchet. ;D

Upon further review and detailed scrutiny of your request, we found it to be beneficial to the well being of this thread to grant your request for transfer from a peaceful revered community of the previously mentioned existing Orders, to a more belligerent one befitting your  strength of personality and character. (remember to draw the line between reality and fantasy; so you can't use this in any D&D or Role playing arena, because we're only pretending here!) ;)


Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah, and Deus Vult!

Now get to work! Your Order has a lot of catching up to do! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 18, 2008, 08:28:07 PM
WAIT!!!  First I need a new outfit!! :D :D :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2008, 08:54:20 PM
Grand Mistress........your laundry is ready for pick up. No starch.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/WarNun.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Eternal Ranger on August 18, 2008, 11:34:49 PM
Hail And Well Met Fellow Warriors!  I have been requested to join this forum by one who wishes to remain anon.  Some of you I know through a friend, other I hope soon to know you as my own!

Meads on me, pull up a flaggan and weave me  yourn tales of far away lands.

Eternal Ranger
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 19, 2008, 06:49:23 AM
Welcome Lord E.R.

We hope you enjoy your visit here, it ain't Chatham County, NC, but it's as close to the Outremer as we can make it! ;D

Some of us also serve as members of the secret Templar Intelligence agency, so your secret referral source shall remain un-named, but she has risen to a new office position. ;)

crescat scientia vita excolatur
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 19, 2008, 07:05:22 AM
yes, despite what the Ranger lacks in stealth....I trust he will make up in future intelligent discourse.   ;)

Given my new position, I thought it prudent to spare my adventuring and faire companion any preconceived judgements through association.   ;D

New attire, I believe the Order of the Hatchet wore crimson.  I'm doing my research since the Order has been dormant so long.  Could any of the Brothers translate this for me;

.....A Dadge, a thing like a Fryars Capouche, sharp at the top, after the form of a Torch, and of a crimson colour, to be worn upon their Head-clothes.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 19, 2008, 07:19:44 AM
Maybe he should seek a character reclass to PALADIN. They don't need stealth. ;) (something to do with the righteousness of their character and conviction of heart....damn if that don't sound a member of one of the Medieval Military Orders)

We look forward to his interaction. Hopefully he will enjoy his stay. ;D

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/screening.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 19, 2008, 07:44:29 AM
I also have another humble request of the Council.

Although my R/F user name will not change, while on this thread, I hope to be addressed as

Hermana Hacha or Sister Hatchet      ;D ;D

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/labrys.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 19, 2008, 07:50:20 AM
Sister Hatchet,

I believe the device you seek information about is similar to the separate hoods you see many wearing on medieval movies. Probably not to dissimilar in shape as that of a dunce's peak. (sorry, it's what the info gives) ;) ;D :P


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/headgear.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 19, 2008, 08:15:49 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 19, 2008, 07:50:20 AM
Sister Hatchet,

Probably not to dissimilar in shape as that of a dunce's cap. (sorry, it's what the info gives) ;) ;D :P

:o :o your in trouble calling her a dunce
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 19, 2008, 09:13:00 AM
HUZZAH..HUZZAH..HUZZAH.. Sorella Accetta, Grand Mistress of the Order of the Hatchet!!!  May your your wits alert you and your blade protect you lady warrior!






Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 19, 2008, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 18, 2008, 11:34:49 PM
Hail And Well Met Fellow Warriors!  I have been requested to join this forum by one who wishes to remain anon.  Some of you I know through a friend, other I hope soon to know you as my own!

Meads on me, pull up a flaggan and weave me  yourn tales of far away lands.

Eternal Ranger

Well met indeed Master Ranger!  Welcome Aboard m'friend! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/occasion14.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 19, 2008, 11:56:07 AM
Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 18, 2008, 11:34:49 PM
Hail And Well Met Fellow Warriors!  I have been requested to join this forum by one who wishes to remain anon.  Some of you I know through a friend, other I hope soon to know you as my own!

Meads on me, pull up a flaggan and weave me  yourn tales of far away lands.

Eternal Ranger

welcome to the forum
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 19, 2008, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 19, 2008, 08:15:49 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 19, 2008, 07:50:20 AM
Sister Hatchet,

Probably not to dissimilar in shape as that of a dunce's cap. (sorry, it's what the info gives) ;) ;D :P

:o :o your in trouble calling her a dunce

Never once said so......... ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 19, 2008, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 19, 2008, 08:15:49 AM
:o :o your in trouble calling her a dunce

Order of the Hatchet Rule #23

Ignore most thinly veiled, implied jabs and manipulative behaviors. Research indicates that this is more effective than negative attention (which actually increases the undesirable behavior).  Conversely, it keeps one's hatchet cleaner.   
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 19, 2008, 01:51:28 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 19, 2008, 09:13:00 AM
HUZZAH..HUZZAH..HUZZAH.. Sorella Accetta, Grand Mistress of the Order of the Hatchet!!!  May your your wits alert you and your blade protect you lady warrior!

many thanks for your kind words and all that you did to assist in my assimilation conversion Brother William and honorable Council member 2 of 3. 

I particularly enjoyed the personal picture you posted yesterday....I can only aspire to such scholarly pursuits!   
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 19, 2008, 02:06:25 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 18, 2008, 02:07:54 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2007_1205Image0004-1.jpg)

Nothing helps with retention of subject more than the concept of TOTAL IMMERSION!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 19, 2008, 03:33:20 PM
Been waiting sometime for this to become available on DVD.  Has anyone had the pleasure of viewing this classic by DeMille?

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2678561010A.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/43fc39b08582e91f461be5012bff9d24.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 19, 2008, 03:41:36 PM
I've had this for some time, sorry, didn't know you were looking. It's a funny movie, but don't hold your breath for historical accuracy. I do love the way Richard talks to Saladin! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 19, 2008, 04:37:49 PM
I can't be any better than that Polish epic masterpiece...

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/Krzyzac3.jpg)

If my memorie serves me correctly, you actually told me about "The Crusades" almost a couple years ago
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Eternal Ranger on August 19, 2008, 07:34:42 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 19, 2008, 06:49:23 AM
Welcome Lord E.R.

We hope you enjoy your visit here, it ain't Chatham County, NC, but it's as close to the Outremer as we can make it! ;D

Some of us also serve as members of the secret Templar Intelligence agency, so your secret referral source shall remain un-named, but she has risen to a new office position. ;)

crescat scientia vita excolatur

I guess I should have checked my foot placement before I tread upon unfamiliar ground....Thank You for your welcomes, and I hope to spark a thread or two in the near future.  And to Sister hatchet....You let the cat out of the bag not me! ;)

So which of the forums is more designed to discuss actual templar history and Religious viewpoints?

E.R.  not E.T.  although some people say I am out of this world....or maybe it was that I come from a different planet....can't quite remember....I'll go with out of this world....fit the ego!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 19, 2008, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 19, 2008, 04:37:49 PM
If my memory serves me correctly, you actually told me about "The Crusades" almost a couple years ago


Why yes, yes it was. I found and old C.B.D set and secured that very disk.


As for being better than the other movie...why yes...yes it is...lol!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 19, 2008, 08:06:51 PM
Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 19, 2008, 07:34:42 PM
I guess I should have checked my foot placement before I tread upon unfamiliar ground....Thank You for your welcomes, and I hope to spark a thread or two in the near future.  And to Sister hatchet....You let the cat out of the bag not me! ;)

So which of the forums is more designed to discuss actual templar history and Religious viewpoints?

Lord E.R.,

In Sister Hatchet's defense, your bio let the cat out of the bag: Apex, N.C. (Templar security/intel agency)  ;)

Here is a place to discuss the topics you bring up. You might also see:

http://www.templarhistory.com/forum/

Pax vobiscum  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 19, 2008, 09:29:57 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 19, 2008, 06:49:23 AM

Some of us also serve as members of the secret Templar Intelligence agency, so your secret referral source shall remain un-named, but she has risen to a new office position. ;)

crescat scientia vita excolatur

hmmmmm Lets see only two females post here and only one did you recently give new office duhhhhhhhh  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Poof Bird on August 20, 2008, 01:07:47 AM
lol, hi there guys!  I was asked to come over to this thread since I'm working on my lady Knight kit as my new garb.  Fantastic to see you all!  :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 20, 2008, 06:39:18 AM
Huzzah Knight Poofbird....how kind of you to stop by the keep.  Please come often.  We are in need of more Sisterly counsel!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 20, 2008, 06:53:21 AM
Quote from: PoofBird on August 20, 2008, 01:07:47 AM
lol, hi there guys!  I was asked to come over to this thread since I'm working on my lady Knight kit as my new garb.  Fantastic to see you all!  :D

Welcome M'lady, and I am aware of your referral source as well.  ;)
It appears that Mistress Hatchet has a better ability to bring folks "to the well" so to speak, than a bunch of zealous, gruff, and relentless Warrior Monks. Now the trick will see if she can make them "drink"...lol!

With the revival of the Order of the Hatchet on this thread, our numbers might swell disproportionately :P

We look forward to the intake. ;D

Lady P.B., you need not be a Templar, with her referral acceptance. (Rule statutes 70 & 71 have this covered, unless you're Sophie Marceau, then 71.5 has that eventuality covered also)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 20, 2008, 07:07:32 AM
Brother Warrior....it's merely a matter of knowing what to serve at the well.  Good cheese and wine goes a long way..... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 20, 2008, 07:12:23 AM
Nothing builds one's character better than hardship and deprivation.  ;) ;D


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Untitled-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 08:49:19 AM
welcome poof always great to have another woman on this thread now there be three of us hmmmm the order of the hatchet might take over
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 20, 2008, 08:52:11 AM
*spews morning beverage*  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 20, 2008, 08:52:11 AM
*spews morning beverage*  :P

;D glad to get your attention just making sure your awake
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 09:07:54 AM
What?? Who said anything about??? Did I miss something???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 09:17:14 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 19, 2008, 08:02:48 PM
As for being better than the other movie...why yes...yes it is...lol!  ;)


NOOOOO WAY!!  Are you absolutely positively sure we are talking about the same movie here???


OK ...I believe ya!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 09:20:01 AM
Quote from: PoofBird on August 20, 2008, 01:07:47 AM
lol, hi there guys!  I was asked to come over to this thread since I'm working on my lady Knight kit as my new garb.  Fantastic to see you all!  :D

Welcome Poofie.

Have you found a style of headwear in which you vision?

Is there a time period in which you are wanting to represent??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 09:23:14 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 09:07:54 AM
What?? Who said anything about??? Did I miss something???

Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 08:49:19 AM
welcome poof always great to have another woman on this thread now there be three of us hmmmm the order of the hatchet might take over

i believe this caused the spewing of his beverage
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 09:29:47 AM
* Now William Marcus spews beverage on screen*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 09:36:37 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 09:29:47 AM
* Now William Marcus spews beverage on screen*
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 20, 2008, 08:52:11 AM
*spews morning beverage*  :P

;D glad to get your attention just making sure your awake
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on August 20, 2008, 10:22:50 AM
I sorry haven't been feeling good the last few days so I haven't been on-line. Welcome to the new member and I hope you gain in education and understanding of the group.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Poof Bird on August 20, 2008, 10:26:11 AM
Heehee, thanks for the welcome lords and ladies!  Should be a fun time!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 10:28:05 AM
glad your feeling better now brother gregory
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Poof Bird on August 20, 2008, 10:34:03 AM
Sir William, I have not yet found my headwear.  I'm going for your generic jousting knight, cause well, why not?  Probably just going to go with a beret or else one of those leather headbands.  H/A is not my goal whatsoever  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 10:45:12 AM
Yes, both excellent choices Poofie.




Quote from: Brother Gregory on August 20, 2008, 10:22:50 AM
I sorry haven't been feeling good the last few days so I haven't been on-line. Welcome to the new member and I hope you gain in education and understanding of the group.

To your speedy recovery Brother Gregory
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 10:58:43 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 09:23:14 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 09:07:54 AM
What?? Who said anything about??? Did I miss something???

Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 08:49:19 AM
welcome poof always great to have another woman on this thread now there be three of us hmmmm the order of the hatchet might take over

i believe this caused the spewing of his beverage




(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0819Image0001-1.jpg)

HELP!..................................(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/sos.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 20, 2008, 11:13:49 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/sprigmom/ROFLMAO.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 11:31:12 AM
Rofl  poor guys i thought yall enjoyed our presence
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 20, 2008, 11:32:13 AM
All, bear with me here, as I attempt to make sense of things, and restore order to our troubled thread...... ;)

First there was:
Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 18, 2008, 11:34:49 PM
Hail And Well Met Fellow Warriors!  I have been requested to join this forum by one who wishes to remain anon.  Some of you I know through a friend, other I hope soon to know you as my own!
Eternal Ranger

To which a reply was made:

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 19, 2008, 06:49:23 AM
Welcome Lord E.R.

We hope you enjoy your visit here, it ain't Chatham County, NC, but it's as close to the Outremer as we can make it! ;D

Some of us also serve as members of the secret Templar Intelligence agency, so your secret referral source shall remain un-named, but she has risen to a new office position. ;)


The astute will notice that there was no implication as to sex of the informant immediately, but in jest after the fact.

Then from out of left field (baseball reference on the Lady de Pond's behalf)

Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 19, 2008, 09:29:57 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 19, 2008, 06:49:23 AM

Some of us also serve as members of the secret Templar Intelligence agency, so your secret referral source shall remain un-named, but she has risen to a new office position. ;)

hmmmmm Lets see only two females post here and only one did you recently give new office duhhhhhhhh  :P

Lady ASHley, your diagnosis as to the cause of my involuntary spewing was spot on! An M.D in the Apparent for sure, a B.A. at the very least.

The Council of a Few is actually in session (at the behest of a 'Y' deficient thread member) at this very moment, to award your efforts and endurance with an appropriate title.

So I hope this clarifies or at least spreads the pieces out in a less than jumbled pile for folks to work with.


Excuse me, my planet is calling, they want their idiot back!
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/FanGirl1/Stargate%20SG1/stargate.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Figaro on August 20, 2008, 11:33:04 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 09:29:47 AM
* Now William Marcus spews beverage on screen*

Also known here as Riots disease.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Poof Bird on August 20, 2008, 11:38:41 AM
lol, i am so lost  XD
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 20, 2008, 11:40:05 AM
Don't worry M'lady, this goes on all the time... :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 12:27:45 PM
 ;D a new title hmmmm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 20, 2008, 01:34:49 PM
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii181/jazzygiggles2008/Silhouette-of-Woman-Praying-Photogr.jpg)

Just wanted to assure everyone that the Order of the Hatchet has been holding silent vigils and boiling the h*ll out of holy water since prime mass....it seems a plague is taking hold...this riots disease that Lord Figaro speaks of is running rampant!

Candles are lit for a return to health to you as well Brother Gregory.  It is good to hear your voice even if it's troubled with illness.

Regarding attempts at recruitment, I believe the orders were;

Now get to work! Your Order has a lot of catching up to do!  ;D ;D




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Martin on August 20, 2008, 01:37:01 PM
Greetings and good day to thee, Knights of the Lord,

I appreciate the detailed information you have provided and believe I am getting close to deciding on my first Templar garb.  You advised me to continue to seek your wisdom on this journey, so I humbly beseech your council once more.

I believe I shall start with the long sleeve robe from either House Morningstar or MR.  I was not able, however, to locate the Templar robe worn by Frere Joseph Lamar on the Morningstar web site.  I just emailed the proprietor, but do not know when he will be able to answer.  Have you heard if it has been discontinued?

Is there a difference between the robe from HM and MR?  It looks to me that the one from HM may have a hood, while the MR does not.  If this is the case, would it be appropriate to wear the robe from MR with a cape?  I ask because if I purchased the HM robe and wore it with a cape, that would be two pieces of garb with hoods attached.   ???

One final note: on the Museum Replicas site, it did not look like the crosses matched on the robe and cape (although there appears to be a tunic with matching cape).

As always, I am grateful for your shared wisdom and hope some day to be worthy of service in this Order.

Regards,
Sir Martin
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 20, 2008, 01:40:02 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 20, 2008, 11:32:13 AM
(at the behest of a 'Y' deficient thread member)

Master of the virtual Temple....pleeeeze.  Comments such as this will no doubt discourage what promises to be a growing flock! 

Refer to OOTH Rule 13 on page 35.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 02:09:22 PM
Sir Martin


Quote from: Sir Martin on August 20, 2008, 01:37:01 PM

I believe I shall start with the long sleeve robe from either House Morningstar or MR.  I was not able, however, to locate the Templar robe worn by Frere Joseph Lamar on the Morningstar web site.  I just emailed the proprietor, but do not know when he will be able to answer.  Have you heard if it has been discontinued?

Good eye & Good choice! That is actually a NEW robe custom designed specifically for "us" using a few historical references and personal modifications.. You will not find that particular piece on the Morningstar website.  You must specify to James when ordering. I have PMed you the nessassary information you should need when ordering this custom piece.

Quote from: Sir Martin on August 20, 2008, 01:37:01 PM
Is there a difference between the robe from HM and MR?  It looks to me that the one from HM may have a hood, while the MR does not.  If this is the case, would it be appropriate to wear the robe from MR with a cape?  I ask because if I purchased the HM robe and wore it with a cape, that would be two pieces of garb with hoods attached.

The hoods from HM come UNattached.  James at Morningstar knows of the detail



Quote from: Sir Martin on August 20, 2008, 01:37:01 PM
One final note: on the Museum Replicas site, it did not look like the crosses matched on the robe and cape (although there appears to be a tunic with matching cape).


I personally wouldn't go and mix match crosses, try and stay uniform.  Don't be a F.A.R.B..lol
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 20, 2008, 02:34:23 PM
Lord Martin,

Again we welcome any of your questions, for if we had no one to ask us stuff, what would we do with all our spare time... ;) :P

As Frere William has pointed out (he must have the blood of a former Draper of the Temple running through his veins) you wouldn't want to go about "Cross Swapping" on your attire. Although folks would tend to lean towards the statement of "it's not H.A.!", it's a matter of wearing plaid pants with a diagonally striped shirt....it just doesn't match. (might I invoke the term: eye sore)

And we can not stress enough, the point that you must have decided on, is whether you'll be sporting armor under all this attractive attire. You can look the part with half the weight (Crusader Lite?) :P by doing your homework on these items. (actually you don't have to do the homework, because Frere William already did it for you! ;) )

Good luck, and we look forward to hearing about your developments in this cause, and expect representations to be posted soonest.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 20, 2008, 02:45:38 PM
After a prolonged and debilitating session.............

We grant the title of Militissa in the Frati della Beata Gloriosa Vergine Maria to one Lady ASHley


Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah, and a resounding Deus Vult!

Now you too must get to work! Remember we're dealing with the Middle Ages here! This ain't an Order of One!

Plus we need some historical info. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 02:48:46 PM
Dues Vult Huzzzahhh

now how to squeeze new title in my title line

historical reserch okdoka  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 20, 2008, 02:53:53 PM
Not bad for having been excommunicated once...... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 02:58:55 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 20, 2008, 02:34:23 PM
(Crusader Lite?) :P

I do like that I must say.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 03:07:49 PM
hah i've succeeded in adding my new title. now for the reserch
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 20, 2008, 03:11:31 PM
Congratulations Militissa!

What generous whims the Council entertains this week!

Huzzah.....Tempranillo, manchego and figs for everyone!  (ok, after Vespers)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 03:15:07 PM
Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah, Lady ASHley of thee Coals, and a resounding Deus lo Vult!
(I think?, I don't know? Did we loose a bet here or something?)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 20, 2008, 03:31:08 PM
some research  ;D

The Order of the Blessed Virgin Mary[1] (Italian: Frati della Beata Gloriosa Vergine Maria; Latin: Ordo Militiæ Mariæ Gloriosæ), also called the Order of Saint Mary of the Tower or the Order of the Knights of the Mother of God, commonly the Knights of Saint Mary, was a military order founded in 1261 when it received its rule from Pope Urban IV, who expressly states the purpose of the organisation and the rights and obligations of its members:

[The members of the order] are to be allowed to bear arms for the defence of the catholic faith and ecclesiastical freedom, when specifically required to do so by the Roman church. For subduing civil discords they may carry only defensive weapons, provided they have the permission of the diocesan.

The rule of the order was based on that of the Augustinians, but by a precedent set by the Order of Santiago and the Militia of Jesus Christ, members could marry and did not live in communal poverty. Their chief task appears to have been the pacification of the Lombard cities, racked by factional strife. In this they were largely unsuccessful, due in no small part to their political allegiance to the Church. The unique position of the order and the nature of its rule has led to its being denied full status by historians, who have sometimes labelled it a mere confraternity.

The order did have some success at building bridges between the Guelphs and Ghibellines. Two founding members, Loderingo degli Andalò, a Ghibelline from Bologna, and Catalano di Guido of the Catalani family of Guelphs, were given the government of Bologna in 1265 during a period of civil strife between the two factions. Though less than successful there, the two knights were appointed by Pope Clement IV the very next year (1266) to govern Florence in the aftermath of the Battle of Benevento.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 03:40:06 PM
 Nicely done Sister ASHley (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icn___clap.gif)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/ribbon.gif) 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Poof Bird on August 20, 2008, 10:22:12 PM
Souding like a bit of a broken record, but I'm still new to this whole Knight idea.  What exactly does "Deus Vult" mean?

I imagine the answer is starring me right in the face, and well...I just have no idea  :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Martin on August 21, 2008, 01:39:22 AM
Quote from: PoofBird on August 20, 2008, 10:22:12 PM
Souding like a bit of a broken record, but I'm still new to this whole Knight idea.  What exactly does "Deus Vult" mean?

I imagine the answer is starring me right in the face, and well...I just have no idea  :D

Greetings PoofBird!  Deus Vult translates to "God wills it" or "the will of God".  Either way, it pretty much states one's perspective on the subject at hand.   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Martin on August 21, 2008, 01:43:39 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 02:58:55 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 20, 2008, 02:34:23 PM
(Crusader Lite?) :P

I do like that I must say.

I humbly, yet heartily concur.   :)  I will be contacting James shortly to see if he will be able to process an order within the next 6-7 weeks.  If not, I'll check with Museum Replicas.  My most gracious thanks for help in this matter, and I look forward to sharing an image of my transformation in the upcoming weeks.

Pax Vobiscum

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 21, 2008, 03:51:19 AM

Quote from: Sir Martin on August 21, 2008, 01:43:39 AM
My most gracious thanks for help in this matter, and I look forward to sharing an image of my transformation in the upcoming weeks.

You are most welcome Sir Martin and we will anxiously await those images of your new transformation.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/redborderknhdr3yf2.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 21, 2008, 08:32:24 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 20, 2008, 03:15:07 PM

(I think?, I don't know? Did we loose a bet here or something?)

i am not aware of a bet of any sort
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 21, 2008, 10:23:49 AM
My deepest apologies Sister ASHley. Message of your new born title was delayed in reaching my hands, and to be honest I was somewhat confused. With your recent charges of heresy followed by your excommunication. I am sure one can relate to my sudden confusion.

I hope that you will accept my apology.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/folder_new_big-1.gif)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 21, 2008, 10:32:37 AM
How wonderfully forgiving and generous the Almighty is. 

Amen *hiccup* and Deus Vult!

Now, where is that sacramental wine I left uncorked.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 21, 2008, 11:25:34 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 21, 2008, 10:23:49 AM
My deepest apologies Sister ASHley. Message of your new born title was delayed in reaching my hands, and to be honest I was somewhat confused. With your recent charges of heresy followed by your excommunication. I am sure one can relate to my sudden confusion.

I hope that you will accept my apology.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/folder_new_big-1.gif)(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/oldworldsiggy.jpg)



it is quite alright brother marcus
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Poof Bird on August 21, 2008, 12:01:16 PM
Since people keep asking about my Lady Knight garb, I'll give an update.  My new sword just arrived moments ago, and today I will be spending a good portion working on my tabard.  Truthfully, this garb is going *a lot* faster then my pirate kit.  Man this is going to be a fun outfit to wear!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 21, 2008, 01:38:36 PM
Poofie, Is this something that you will plan on wearing at the next Castleteer gathering ??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 21, 2008, 02:14:38 PM
 ;D sorry my ren photo self portrait's don't turn out so suitable
alright brother and sisters what have you got
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 21, 2008, 02:19:11 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/hand.gif) whoops!

Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 21, 2008, 11:25:34 AM
it is quite alright brother marcus

Good! Now, lets get to work on changing that avatar of yours. You simply cannot represent the Blessed Virgin Mary with an avatar of you in a mirror taking a photo with a cell phone,  as it is Gods will!

So, with your permission, I request that with the help of our fellow brothers & sisters that we could offer you a few available & different choices. 

Then with your permission we will all vote on a new avatar that best suits the NEW "Sister ASHley of the Coals" representing the "Order of the Blessed Virgin Mary" 

Sound good?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 21, 2008, 02:28:39 PM
 :-\ now how did your post get under mine
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Poof Bird on August 21, 2008, 04:17:57 PM
Sir William, Of course!  I'm gonna need some pictures there, since it is a Knight's Castle!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 21, 2008, 05:08:13 PM
*Hermana Hatchet stamps her foot*

Sir William, I don't want to be left out of the "Extreme Makeover: Warrior Nuns" Edition!

Actually, I have plans to implement this weekend for my new avatar but may attempt to contract with you for airbrushing ;) ;D ;D

Ok, what's the Castleteer gathering Poofie?  I'll be at NC this fall....we'll have to coordinate.  The scribes tell me your traveling South. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Poof Bird on August 21, 2008, 05:53:26 PM
The Castleteers are a group of rennies, me and Sir William included, that every few months or so have a Rennie get-together at the Loveland Castle in Loveland, Ohio.

www.lovelandcastle.com (http://www.lovelandcastle.com)

See the Ohio Ren Faire thread for more info!

Also yes, me and my best buddie Lorelei always go to CRF.  It's October 11 and 12 or something close to those dates that I'll be there.  One day pirate, one day Knight!  :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 21, 2008, 09:23:27 PM
Flashback: Loveland Castle Spring 2008

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2375153204_9ae70e09e3.jpg)


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/IMG_0040sized.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 21, 2008, 09:27:27 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 21, 2008, 05:08:13 PM
*Sorella Hatchet stamps her foot*
Sir William, I don't want to be left out of the "Extreme Makeover: Warrior Nuns" Edition!

Left out? Absolutely not! We need as much input as possible Sister Sorella.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 21, 2008, 09:55:35 PM
hmmmmm i believe that's where i came in at
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Poof Bird on August 22, 2008, 12:28:36 AM
Ah, I so love that place!  Loveland Castle is just...lovely  :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 22, 2008, 06:45:04 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 21, 2008, 09:27:27 PM
Left out? Absolutely not! We need as much input as possible Sister Sorella.

you misunderstand me Brother William, I mean, my extreme makeover   ;D ;D

Loveland is awesome...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 22, 2008, 07:48:14 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 22, 2008, 06:45:04 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 21, 2008, 09:27:27 PM
Left out? Absolutely not! We need as much input as possible Sister Sorella.

you misunderstand me Brother William, I mean, my extreme makeover   ;D ;D

Loveland is awesome...

Excuse me for my blindness Sister Sorella. Why yes indeed!  We shall most defiently help with ones makeover.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 22, 2008, 10:29:41 AM
poof love the parrot
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 22, 2008, 02:22:47 PM
Sisters, Brothers and readers from the laic community

I have a confession to make (my first in my new role...I feel so, so,  virginal)

I made a terrible error in geography.  The Order of the Hatchet was based in Spain, not Italy. 

Fortunately for me, I can both assign my own penance and pray an Act of Contrition.  (unless I hear otherwise from the Council....)   :D

So, for penance I shall:
1.  Change and repair any error in the postings of the past week
2.  Re-release my title as Hermana Hacha
3.  Open a bottle of Tempranillo and send up a few prayers to the Holy Spirits in lieu of fasting





Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 22, 2008, 02:54:31 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 22, 2008, 02:22:47 PM
Sisters, Brothers and readers from the laic community

I have a confession to make (my first in my new role...I feel so, so,  virginal)

I made a terrible error in geography.  The Order of the Hatchet was based in Spain, not Italy. 

Fortunately for me, I can both assign my own penance and pray an Act of Contrition.  (unless I hear otherwise from the Council....)   :D

Since you hold the position in an Order of One currently ;), by default you qualify for your own solution. For by the standards set forth in the Rule:

Rule 269-   The chaplain brothers should hear the confessions of the brothers; no brother should make confession to anyone else but him, because he may see the chaplain brother without permission. For they have greater power to absolve them on behalf of the pope than an archbishop.

Rule 354-   But it be known that a brother of the Temple should not make confession except to a chaplain brother, except out of great necessity and when there is no chaplain brother; but he may do so with permission.

You apparently "get over". Your next position elected should be a chaplain sister! ;D

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 22, 2008, 03:04:55 PM
Could I request a Chaplain Brother or Sister? 

I'm wondering if Brother Gregory would like to hear the Hatchet's confessions in the future?

It may be a crucial role to fill.  ;D ;) :D  Any takers?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on August 22, 2008, 03:42:17 PM
Femme Falchion I would be more then happy to hear confessions from the order of the Hatchet's. I will hear them and can give the required penance and will do so if that is the will of the order and permission is granted by the Chaplain Brother or Sister.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 22, 2008, 04:06:14 PM
Brother Gregory, you would be the Chaplain.  I suppose we'll have to wait on your interview process facilitated by the Masters of the virtual Temple.  Let's stay tuned.

In the meantime.  Thank you for you interest in the Order of the Hatchet.   :) :)

We live to serve (red, not white)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 22, 2008, 10:09:23 PM
I am confident that you would not be able to lead a proven Brother of the Hospital away from his Order. ;) :P ;D

Such is the power of inter Order rivalry. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 23, 2008, 09:40:00 AM
While I am sure you are quite right, Templar

you have mentioned before that the Sisters of the Orders may have more skills in diplomacy and hospitality thus being able to transcend petty contentions..... ;D ;D 

In a very pious sort of way.

Historically speaking, what was the most pronounced of the rivalries amongst the Orders?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 23, 2008, 12:22:54 PM
In my assessment, the greatest rivalry between any of the Orders existed between that of the Hospital and the Temple, due to the magnitude and size of the Orders.
Not to say there wasn't rivalries between all the Orders in one fashion or another, and this is to be expected when they are competing for Papal dispensations and donations from the masses.
It was to the Hospital that the assets of the Temple were awarded to after the dissolution of the Templars. Grand Master DeMolay, had actually come to Paris, to address an issue that had been brought up about uniting all the Orders under one Master. Demolay's stance was that separate Orders was a good thing because it developed a competitive nature between the factions, forcing each of them to do better in the Lord's service.
During Almaric's invasion of Egypt, the Hospitallers and Templars stood as operational polar opposites to the plan, the Templars against the plan.
There were some examples after the 3rd Crusade where some of he Orders had to be separated in the streets because of some of the friction involved through poltics.
Don't misunderstand the focus of their rivalries. It was designed to pull out the utmost in their efforts.
The Rule of the Temple even addressed what should happen if a Brother was in a place where he couldn't rally to his own banner in battle: Rule 421, or Rule 320 on where he might go to eat and rest when moving about the country.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/T_H.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on August 23, 2008, 03:21:50 PM
Well.......mmmm...well.....

Move 700 miles - from purgatory to near paradise - stay away from evil devices such as computers for months on end, and THIS is what I come back to! :o :D

Took me over an hour to catch up on this thread alone, and I'm still not sure the glazing over my eyes will ever cease to be. I see the banter 'twixt the X and Y chromosones has diminished not in the least (to which I am quite pleased), and that the faithful still maintain vigil over the various Brother(and Sister?)Hoods.

Hail and prosperity to all. I apologize for not being around but rarely the past several months, yet hope to be able to spend more time perusing and throwing in my .02 worth on occasion.

May I ask - has anything been set for a Crusader get-together @ TRF yet? I know things were in the planning stages about the time I left KS, but don't know if it has been dropped or what.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Eternal Ranger on August 23, 2008, 10:36:48 PM
Aye, M'lady femme. I'll be your confessor.  I see it only fitting to do so,,Quid Pro Quo.  I would find it quite pleasurable to hear the secrets of your mind, to bring to light the little thoughts that hide in the deepest darkest shadows of your soul.  For to clean the soul you must first clean the sinful mind.  One cannot be cleansed and pure as long as the other remains tarnished in lustful thoughts!

So tell me your dirty little secrets sister hatchet....I'll figure out yer pennance later.....

ER <eg>

Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 22, 2008, 03:04:55 PM
Could I request a Chaplain Brother or Sister? 

I'm wondering if Brother Gregory would like to hear the Hatchet's confessions in the future?

It may be a crucial role to fill.  ;D ;) :D  Any takers?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 24, 2008, 03:54:26 AM
Hospitaller, you are well!! It is good to finally hear from you again brother!


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/MyLLLLargerGNPictures0014.jpg)

Unfortunately for me. The "Crusader Rally" at TRF  isn't looking good for myself.  We were plagued with some severe weather early this summer in which we are still recovering and then there are a few tiny personal obstacles which may keep me here locally for little while. It saddens me as I was really looking forward to this one event for sometime. If something does break it will more than likely be at the last moment. Time will tell
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 24, 2008, 06:44:45 AM
Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 23, 2008, 10:36:48 PM
Aye, M'lady femme. I'll be your confessor. 

* Sigh, the convent looks better everyday *

Many thanks for your, um, generous offer, Ranger.  I'm sure you can understand it is not fitting that a secular take the confessions of a godly woman.  However, after reviewing your proposal, I am quite certain that it is you that requires long and serious penance, given your clear familiarity with the flesh.  I suggest you begin with some robust self-flagellation.

Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 23, 2008, 10:36:48 PM
So tell me your dirty little secrets sister hatchet....I'll figure out yer pennance later.....

And please note...My hatchet is the only thing that's dirty    ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 24, 2008, 09:07:54 AM
The "my hatchet is the only thing that's dirty" was priceless! ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 24, 2008, 09:13:21 AM
Hospitaller,

We too are looking hard at the TRF. Gas prices have jumped since the inception of the Crusader Rally, but we haven't written it off just yet. It's a 12 hour ride out there. I have to look at my deployemnt schedule for work, since October has no less than 4 missions in it, one of them to Kuwait and one to Germany. I have to see where my team is headed.

If something couldn't be worked out, maybe we could schedule our own gathering at a place like the LA castle that holds ads in the Renaissance magazine, or another more central location.

As you might have seen, our defender in Iberia, Brother Mikael has been rendered combat ineffective at the moment. Not sure the lasting effects of this maledy.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 24, 2008, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 24, 2008, 09:13:21 AM
Our defender in Iberia, Brother Mikael has been rendered combat ineffective at the moment. Not sure the lasting effects of this malady.

Tis' why it is such a blessing from Above that the Order of the Hatchet has once again risen to assist in the absence of our Brother warriors....

As I pray vigilantly for Brother Mikael's speedy recovery, rest assured that the Order of the Hatchet will fiercely defend the Iberian Peninsula from any Moorish attacks!

"no hay moros en la costa"

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Eternal Ranger on August 24, 2008, 08:57:13 PM
Alright m'lady.....I will bow to your chaste ways of late and not press the issue much more...for now!  We shall see when the Tempernillo flows well how close to god you really find yourself. ;D

You know one of the ways to tell the quality of the tempernillo or any fine red wine is to give it a swirl around the goblet and see how long her legs are.  I will say nothing more.

;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Eternal Ranger on August 24, 2008, 09:04:28 PM
Now on to more of a serious question....
Sister Hatchet and I were discussing this amidst our morning bath and thought it best to bring up here.

Templar Knight= protector of the Temple Mound in Jerusalem
Inside the Temple on the mound is the Holy of Holies - the inner sanctum
Inside the inner sanctum- the Ark of the Covenant!
Inside the Ark of the Covenant.......the resting place of the tablets that God gave Moses on Mt Sanai...

Here is my question....which set?.......and is there anything else?...

Keep in mind the first set of the Commandments was destroyed when he cast them at the golden idol the Israelites had created.

ER
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 24, 2008, 11:22:56 PM
Like Brother Hospitaller, I have just caught up on some 40 odd pages of posts. Still typing one handed, so expect brevity. Still on pain meds, so DEFINITELY expect nonsensical verbage at times.  ;D

I see the Order of the Hatchet has been seeing to the defense of Iberia in my absense; I thank thee, miladies!!! You see? While us Spanish Templars may have strayed a bit in swearing allegiance to a king (cough, cough, that probably aided in us being the last commandery to fall, cough, cough) our fair continent also had the wisdom and foresight to arm the members of the fairer sex.

...
...
...
...was that really a good idea? I mean, don't they already have us by the nads as it is? But I digress...

My fair Queen, our Princess and I will still be making TRF. I had to nail down a date with her because we're also taking my niece. We'll be going the weekend that's fairy tale themed; I figure with all the pagan creatures running around, they will need an injection of Godly might that weekend. In the midst of my medicated stupor, I forget the name of the hotel we were looking at, but room rates are around $90 a night, and it's about a 20 minute drive from the fair grounds. I can provide more info if anyone's interested. I believe Frere Hospitaller may be available since he moved near there.

As to recovery...I can raise my arm unaided ALMOST to a 90 degree angle. Still in a fair amount of pain; that increased when I started therapy as I was then moving the arm when it had gotten used to being strapped at my side all the time. I'm hoping that by the time TRF gets here, I can raise my arms up enough to slither into my maile. I HATE going to faire without full armor. The doc said that I'm about 3 weeks ahead of recovery, though. I'm sure that's a result of all the prayers and well wishes from those here. I thank you, all!

Some good has come from this, though. Laid up at home, without my (good) computer, I picked up pen and paper and started drawing by hand, something I haven't done in several years. I've really been enjoying it, I forgot the fun I used to have by drawing. In fact, I'm working on a comic book, now. Here's a little tease...

(http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs32/f/2008/232/1/e/Faux_Ad_Mockup_by_MChampion.jpg)

I hope all are doing well, and I'm going to try to start getting active here again!!!

(If for no other reason it's very time consuming to catch up on 40 pages of posts!!!)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2008, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 24, 2008, 09:04:28 PM
Here is my question....which set?.......and is there anything else?...

Keep in mind the first set of the Commandments was destroyed when he cast them at the golden idol the Israelites had created.

ER

As with any good organization, things were put down at least in duplicate. Rumor has it the fragments of the set you mentioned were also put in the Arc, along with some manna and a rod. As a Catholic Warrior Monk, if I divulge any more, I would have to kill you.  ;) ;D

BTW, interesting display of secular banter! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2008, 07:40:05 AM
A loud and thunderous Deus Vult! and welcome back Frere Mikael!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 25, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
 (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/283px-Cross_of_the_Knights_Templar.png)   DEUS VULT!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 25, 2008, 08:23:46 AM
Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 24, 2008, 09:04:28 PM
Sister Hatchet and I were discussing this amidst our morning bath and thought it best to bring up here.



Your words mislead to insinuate an intimacy unfitting of my station (and given my tenuous relations with the Council!)

I had hoped my presence at the public baths would serve to show my young sires the downfalls of immoral living.

Pax et bonum!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 25, 2008, 08:37:54 AM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on August 24, 2008, 11:22:56 PM
our fair continent also had the wisdom and foresight to arm the members of the fairer sex.

...
...
...
...was that really a good idea?

brother Mikael of course it was a good idea.  ;D some woman are known to be fiercer competors and fighters than men. As quoted via Kevin Costner in Robin Hood Prince of thieves " one man defending his home is more fiercer than twenty paid arm guards"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2008, 08:57:28 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 25, 2008, 08:23:46 AM
Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 24, 2008, 09:04:28 PM
Sister Hatchet and I were discussing this amidst our morning bath and thought it best to bring up here.



Your words mislead to insinuate an intimacy unfitting of my station (and given my tenuous relations with the Council!)

I had hoped my presence at the public baths would serve to show my young sires the downfalls of immoral living.

Pax et bonum!


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Council.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 25, 2008, 09:26:01 AM
 ;D thats who keeps moving my mouse
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 25, 2008, 09:43:15 AM
Below are a some avatar images chosen to help represent the (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/new1.gif) 'Sister ASHley of he Coals.'  If anyone would like to contribute to the selection please submit your images asap. If one feels that these images are satisfactory in the representation of the newborn sister then please cast your vote.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 25, 2008, 09:50:33 AM
 :D I like three and five currently
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2008, 10:09:48 AM
I like 3, but offer:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/joan460.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2008, 10:45:25 AM
Newest addition to library arrived Saturday:

The New Knighthood, A History of the Order of the Temple by M. Barber
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 25, 2008, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 25, 2008, 10:09:48 AM


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/joan460.jpg)

We will offer that as image #6.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 25, 2008, 10:52:31 AM
 >:( i don't care for 6
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 25, 2008, 10:53:30 AM
If any can make it, here's hotel info about where we're looking to stay at TRF. We stayed at the Courtyard Marriott last time, it was really nice...

There are two side by side, both are owned by Marriott.

Courtyard Houston Northeast - it's $99 a night
The other one is TownPlace Suites Houston Northeast - it's $89 a night

They are the first two listed on the Lodging part of the TRF website.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on August 25, 2008, 11:53:19 AM
I think 3 or 5 are the best.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 25, 2008, 12:17:22 PM
Wounded brother checking in with a vote for numbero cinco.   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2008, 12:23:03 PM
Call it 5 then! Deus vult! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 25, 2008, 12:29:30 PM
 ;D ok 5
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 25, 2008, 01:11:01 PM
A lovely selection Militissa....just be sure to remove your jewels prior to defending your faith and ecclesiastical freedom.   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 25, 2008, 01:54:07 PM
 ;D don't worry femme keeping them on is as dangerous as taking them off. i can woop em with my jewels
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 25, 2008, 01:58:00 PM
Sister Sorella has not yet casted a vote on Sister Ashleys avatar.  Speaking of avatars Sister Sorella. Molly Hatchets debut album cover???


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 25, 2008, 02:10:50 PM
Brother William, you must be confusing my Gran Gran Bisabuela with someone else.  I learned a great deal from her.

In Nana's words;

Been flirtin with disaster,
Yall know what I mean.
And the way we run our lives,
It makes no sense to me.
I dont know about yourself or,
What you want to be - yeah.
When we gamble with our time,
We choose our destiny.


I preferred #2 and #5 for Lady De Pond's avatar. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 25, 2008, 02:20:41 PM
Your great, great grand mama???  I'm suddenly confused (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thinking1.gif) which probably isn't all that surprising.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 25, 2008, 02:26:22 PM
great, great, great grandmother....bad translation... but thanks for pointing it out. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2008, 02:39:50 PM
Brothers,
We now have an aiming point:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/tx.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 25, 2008, 02:47:25 PM
 >:( unless texas moves over really close to ga don't think i'll make it alass i'm going camping in Oct. with mundanes
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 25, 2008, 02:57:14 PM
I've noticed that brother Gregory lacks a avatar
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 25, 2008, 03:03:03 PM
 ;D should we find him one tooo.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2008, 03:09:42 PM
If he hasn't his own......... I offer:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/bu8.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 25, 2008, 03:14:03 PM
hmmmm interesting
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on August 25, 2008, 03:14:57 PM
I'm all for it. It looks better then any pictures I have right now. I've been hoping my wife would get my costume done and see if I could get a picture that I looked good in to make it my avatar but I'm not sure when she's going to get it done.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 25, 2008, 03:29:59 PM
I like the ventaille coif that they created on that figurine.



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 25, 2008, 03:34:39 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 25, 2008, 03:29:59 PM


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/monks_270.jpg)



i like this one
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2008, 03:44:07 PM
Militissa, you are wasting vaulable energy reviewing Brother Gregory's avatar, and as yet have not changed yours............why so? :-\
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 25, 2008, 03:46:31 PM
 :P i can not change it so while at work. thus i shall do so at home.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 25, 2008, 04:23:14 PM
without having a good sense of Brother Gregory's "persona" it's hard to have an opinion about his avatar but I tend to like the one with the cool headgear  :D

Can you describe your Monk a bit Brother?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on August 25, 2008, 05:11:37 PM
Yes my monk is from the priory of Kingsbridge, I'm 43 years old, I spend my time praying and transcribing Latin and Roman books into English. When I'm not working on the books I spend my time tending to the herb gradens of the priory. I was born in the town of Salisbury. My parents were killed when I was small before becoming a monk I was a master craftsmen working with stone.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on August 25, 2008, 05:12:44 PM
I like the one with the two monks!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 25, 2008, 05:15:57 PM
 ;D I'm good and now you should be happy my brothers i've changed my avatar
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2008, 05:33:57 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Eternal Ranger on August 25, 2008, 06:13:02 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 25, 2008, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 24, 2008, 09:04:28 PM
Here is my question....which set?.......and is there anything else?...

Keep in mind the first set of the Commandments was destroyed when he cast them at the golden idol the Israelites had created.

ER

As with any good organization, things were put down at least in duplicate. Rumor has it the fragments of the set you mentioned were also put in the Arc, along with some manna and a rod. As a Catholic Warrior Monk, if I divulge any more, I would have to kill you.  ;) ;D

BTW, interesting display of secular banter! ;)

There is some speculation that there were two arks one containing each set.  ONly one was kept with the isrealites until it was conquered by the philistines.

I have another idea of the contents of the ark, but for that you will have to dive in with both feet to see the way.  It is a long journey with many twists and turns, and perhaps should be in a thread of its own.....
I am truly looking for some educated viewpoints on the matter for a book I am working on.  If you are interested come join me at my table and we shall drink a flaggan of fine English Ale.

And as for the secular banter....ohhh be careful, it comes from a deep well of mental dysfunction and perversion.....;)

ER

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2008, 08:04:33 PM
Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 25, 2008, 06:13:02 PM
I have another idea of the contents of the ark, but for that you will have to dive in with both feet to see the way.  It is a long journey with many twists and turns, and perhaps should be in a thread of its own.....
I am truly looking for some educated viewpoints on the matter for a book I am working on. 

Although the thread was developed to discuss the military aspects and exploits of the Medieval Military Orders, I for one am game to hear of your AoC possibilities. I've survived larger heresies. ;)

Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 25, 2008, 06:13:02 PM
If you are interested come join me at my table and we shall drink a flaggan of fine English Ale.

On this I will pass, although I have lived the line of "drinking like a Templar", I prefer water or a Saracen liquid some called coffee. Ocassionally the frozen, flavored gift of the bovine is a treat. ;)

Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 25, 2008, 06:13:02 PM
And as for the secular banter....ohhh be careful, it comes from a deep well of mental dysfunction and perversion.....;)

That is a cross you'll have to bear on your own..... ;) :P ;D



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 25, 2008, 08:58:53 PM
A miracle....Mikael of Aragon has returned.  How blessed we all are to have your voice added to the choir.  To share in your art is a pleasure as well.

And despite your warnings:

Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on August 24, 2008, 11:22:56 PM
DEFINITELY expect nonsensical verbage at times.  ;D

You're making perfect sense to me.

Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on August 24, 2008, 11:22:56 PM
I mean, don't they already have us by the nads as it is?

La bienvenida de vuelta
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Eternal Ranger on August 25, 2008, 09:31:49 PM
Story begins with the first Monotheistic government....It was not Hebrew...It was the Egyptians of the 18th Dynasty.  A young Pharoah changed everything.  He rejected the gods of his fathers and set upon high one god  who had no equal.  He was the Horizon...a term meaing the begining and the end....the Greeks later changed this to the Alpha and the Omega.  His touch was fel by all of those who desired to feel it, but his life was given only to one....His son....The great Pharoah Akhenaten The royal cartouches place his reign somewhere about 1370 to 1340 BCE.

that is one leg of our story....Another begins about this time period.  but with another pharoah in power according to hebrew texts....A boy placed in a reed ark and floated down the nile to avoid being put to the knife as all of the other first born hebrew boys.  His aunt, a handmaiden to the pharonic daughter saw him and alerted the princess.  She had him brought out of the water and placed in her arms..(To be drwn out of the water is the hebrew term for MOSES)  Using the ages of the descendants of Moses, the time of the arrival into goshen and the sojourn in egypt the hebrew scholars put his birth and life around 1340 to 125 BCE. 


Still interested?  Shall we continue?

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 25, 2008, 11:27:43 PM
A few modifications for Brother Gregory.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 25, 2008, 11:46:22 PM
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Just felt the need to..

REPRESENT!


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Poof Bird on August 25, 2008, 11:52:45 PM
lol, with all the avatar changing, I think I need to change myself!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 26, 2008, 12:05:26 AM
I don't Poofie... it's you! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animal%20Pictures%20and%20Gifs/cparrot.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Poof Bird on August 26, 2008, 12:18:21 AM
ah but this one fits too!  :D

And it's thanks to your lovely post, I might add!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 26, 2008, 07:23:46 AM
Chevalière Poofie....The new avatar is great. (Sir William is blessed with many talents!)

That's quite an intimidating ornithoid you've got there.  Does she perch on your shoulder as you joust?   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 08:13:00 AM
Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 25, 2008, 09:31:49 PM
Still interested?  Shall we continue?

You're talking about a time and people that had a vast pantheon of Gods. Your reference is especially noted for attempting to compel the Egyptian population in the monotheistic worship of Aten, although there are doubts as to how successful he was at this. Since he tried to place his towards the top of diety food chain of the time.

Their period was also marked by quite a few military actions.

It would, however, be Tutankhaten, who would abandon the capital of Akhenaten, along with the cult of its god. And resume business as usual.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 08:45:54 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 25, 2008, 11:46:22 PM
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Just felt the need to..
REPRESENT!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 26, 2008, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: Poof Bird on August 26, 2008, 12:18:21 AM
ah but this one fits too!  :D

Very Nice & Yes I agree!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 26, 2008, 08:53:53 AM
i like it as well.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 26, 2008, 09:21:44 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 09:30:38 AM
Let's see the Sisters match that! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 09:38:49 AM
BREAKING NEWS:

This will fall right in Sister Falchion's lap! ;)

Knights Templar's 700-year old prayer published

The Associated Press
Published: August 22, 2008


VATICAN CITY: The Vatican newspaper has published what it said was a prayer composed by the Knights Templar during their imprisonment for heresy 700 years ago.

King Philip IV of France arrested and tortured leaders of the secretive military order on charges of heresy and immorality in 1307 in what many historians believe was an attempt to seize their riches.
In October, the Vatican presented documents from its secret archives that shed light on the subsequent trial of the Knights Templar. Among the documents was a long-lost parchment showing that Pope Clement V had initially absolved the medieval Christian order from the accusations of heresy that eventually brought about its downfall.

The prayer was read during the trial, Vatican paper L'Osservatore Romano said in its Thursday's editions. It shows, along with the other documents from the Vatican archives, that "the accusations of heresy were groundless," the paper said.

The prayer appeals to the Virgin Mary to free the order, "despite all the lies that have been thrown at us by liars," and guide the order's enemies toward "truth and charity," according to the paper.
"It is a passionate poem that speaks of pain, endless waiting, anguish, but also of hope," Barbara Frale, a Vatican archives researcher who has been studying the documents, wrote in L'Osservatore. "It was composed by the Templars in prison, but might be said by anybody finding himself in a moment of despair and difficulty."

The military order of the Poor Knights of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon was founded in 1118 in Jerusalem to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land after the First Crusade.

As their military might increased, the Templars also grew in wealth, acquiring property throughout Europe and running a primitive banking system. Frale described them as a "multinational at the service of crusades."

After the Templars left the Middle East with the collapse of the Crusader kingdoms, their power and secretive ways aroused the fear of European rulers and sparked accusations of corruption and blasphemy.

Historians believe Philip owed debts to the order due to his wars with England and used the accusations to arrest its leaders and extract, under torture, confessions of heresy as a way to seize their assets.

The newly found parchment shows that Clement initially absolved the Templar leaders of heresy, scholars said. However, the pope did find them guilty of immorality and planned to reform the order. Under pressure from Philip, Clement later reversed his decision and suppressed the order in 1312.
But even as the order was suppressed, the mystique and legend surrounding it have survived. Recently, the best-seller "The Da Vinci Code" >:( linked the Templars to the story of the Holy Grail.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 26, 2008, 09:42:04 AM
 :P how to approach this challenge...
should i just repost it or should i locate a latin generater thingy
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 09:42:26 AM
Vatican scholar: prayer proves Knights Templar not heretical

The Vatican has for the first time published the prayer the Knights Templar composed when "unjustly imprisoned", in which they appealed to the Virgin Mary to persuade "our enemies" to abandon "calumnies and lies" and revert to "truth and charity".

L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, said the prayer was further proof that the order, which was dissolved in the fourteenth century, was not heretical. The knights were innocent of the charges against them, which included the accusation that they worshipped idols such as a "monstrous statue, half man and half goat".

The L'Osservatore Romano article, by Barbara Frale, the Vatican Secret Archives scholar who has made a special study of the knights, said it was untrue that the knights were guilty of "decadence, heresy and immoral practices".

The move follows legal action by the alleged heirs of Knights Templar to force the Vatican to restore the reputation of the disgraced order and acknowledge that assets worth some 80 million pounds were confiscated.

The Association of the Sovereign Order of the Temple of Christ, based in Spain, says that when the order was dissolved by Pope Clement V in 1307, over 9000 properties, farms and and commercial ventures belonging to knights were seized by the Church.

It is not however demanding that they be handed back, only that the order be "rehabilitated". A British branch also claiming descent from the Knights Templar and based in Hertfordshire has called for a papal apology for the persecution of the order.

The Knights Templar were founded at the time of the First Crusade in the eleventh century to protect Christians making the pilgrimage to Jerusalem. The Order was endorsed by the Vatican, but when Acre fell in 1291 and the Crusaders lost their hold on the Holy Land support faded, amid growing envy of the order's fortune in property and banking, and rumours about its corrupt and arcane secret ceremonies.

Whispers said novices had to deny Christ three times, spit on the cross, strip naked and kiss their superior on the buttocks, navel, and lips and submit to sodomy. King Philip IV of France, who coveted the order's wealth, arrested its leaders and put pressure on Clement V to dissolve it. Several knights, including the Grand Master, Jacques de Molay, were burned at the stake.
However Dr Frale said the arrests by Philip IV were "absolutely illegal". She said "legends and inventions" about the knights had been perpetuated by "fantasies" such as Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code and - "though of a different literary calibre" - Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum.

She said that in 1312 Pope Clement had declared that the Templars were not heretics, and had explained that he had only dissolved the order to prevent Philip IV from "opening up a schism in the Church". She said proof of the Templars' fidelity to the Pope and Christian dogma lay in the prayer they had composed during their long imprisonment.

It was "beautiful and moving" and "full of poetry", Dr Frale said, but "incredibly has never been studied".The prayer is addressed to "Holy Mary, mother of God", the "consolation of those who hope", and "humbly implores" her to obtain freedom for the order "through the intercession of the angels, archangels, prophets, evangelists, apostles, martyrs, confessors and virgins". It adds that the Virgin Mary knows that "our enemies" have spread "calumnies and lies" about the order, and pleads with her to make them "return to truth and charity".

Last October the Vatican launched a scheme to market limited reproductions of Processus Contra Templarios (Papal Inquiry into the Trial of the Templars), also known as the Chinon document, which Dr Frale discovered in the Vatican archives in 2003 after realising that it had been wrongly catalogued.

She said the parchment proved Clement V had accepted the Templars were not guilty of heresy. Their initiation ceremony involved spitting on the Cross, but this was to brace them for having to do so if captured by Muslim forces.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 26, 2008, 09:58:34 AM
It appears a joyous celebration may be officially in order

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 26, 2008, 10:16:58 AM
 ;D we like celebrations what is the news dear brother
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 10:36:15 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 26, 2008, 10:46:41 AM
 Beat me to that one brother
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 26, 2008, 11:04:08 AM
 :P don't have to be snotty i get it.  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 26, 2008, 11:11:44 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 26, 2008, 11:04:08 AM
:P don't have to be snotty i get it.  :P


We can't help it. Those nose guards push the nose in and gets it all snotty. Also gets in the way of the ale...


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 26, 2008, 11:21:34 AM
I am snotty too (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/flu.gif)  as I have contracted my princesses cold which she received the first week of kindergarten.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 26, 2008, 11:21:59 AM
Don't fret Militissa...

It's a genetic problem.  ;)

I think we're all just a bit shaken by the breaking news
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 26, 2008, 11:31:52 AM
Frome the "Processus contro Templarios". Pope Clement V hears pleas from the Templars at the trail 700 years ago in regards to the false charges against them.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 11:44:22 AM


Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 26, 2008, 11:04:08 AM
:P don't have to be snotty i get it.  :P

Sorry, couldn't resist!

Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on August 26, 2008, 11:11:44 AM
We can't help it. Those nose guards push the nose in and gets it all snotty. Also gets in the way of the ale...

Quite true!

Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 26, 2008, 11:21:34 AM
I am snotty too (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/flu.gif)  as I have contracted my princesses cold which she received the first week of kindergarten.

I'm feeling ya Brother!

Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 26, 2008, 11:21:59 AM
It's a genetic problem.  ;)

I'm sure this is a simple typo, and she meant to say genetic gift....the keys are so close together...... ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 26, 2008, 11:57:05 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 26, 2008, 12:53:25 PM
All the damsels are in awe of the genetic gifts of the brothers!

(sorry, the meds are talking)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 26, 2008, 12:59:08 PM
 ;D ;D ofcourse we are  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 26, 2008, 01:16:31 PM
please don't be encouraging Militissa.

I know you have a new crown and all..... :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Poof Bird on August 26, 2008, 01:32:15 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 26, 2008, 07:23:46 AM
Chevalière Poofie....The new avatar is great. (Sir William is blessed with many talents!)

That's quite an intimidating ornithoid you've got there.  Does she perch on your shoulder as you joust?   :)

heh, I don't actually have a cockatiel, but my quaker and green cheek love to try to steal all of my chainmaille rings while I'm working  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 25, 2008, 04:23:14 PM
without having a good sense of Brother Gregory's "persona" it's hard to have an opinion about his avatar but I tend to like the one with the cool headgear  :D

Can you describe your Monk a bit Brother?

Brother Gregory, I believe the focus of this question was to ascertain if you were a member of any of the Military Orders, or just a servant of the church. I may be mistaken though....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 26, 2008, 01:50:10 PM
QuoteThe prayer is addressed to "Holy Mary, mother of God", the "consolation of those who hope", and "humbly implores" her to obtain freedom for the order "through the intercession of the angels, archangels, prophets, evangelists, apostles, martyrs, confessors and virgins". It adds that the Virgin Mary knows that "our enemies" have spread "calumnies and lies" about the order, and pleads with her to make them "return to truth and charity".

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If this were to fall into Femme Falchion's lap....

She would find it curious that the falsely accused and wrongly imprisoned Templar Knights composed and sent out their final and most powerful supplication to Holy Mary.  Did they know and honor Mary as a Goddess, the dispenser of mercy, the ever patient mother, and protectress of humanity?

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For many European Christians, the blending of their ancient Goddesses with the Blessed Virgin Mary has been a well accepted fact of their faith for centuries, there is no conflict. Obviously, the Knights recognized Mary as divine woman of importance, spirituality and power...for no other could command "the intercession of the angels, archangels, prophets, evangelists, apostles, martyrs, confessors and virgins"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 02:09:59 PM
Sister Hatchet,

I expected nothing less from your reply! ;)

This devotion to female saints must be set within the context of medieval Catholic spirituality as a whole during the period from 1200-1500, which emphasized female figures and feminine metaphors. In their devotion to female saints, therefore the Military Orders were not exceptional but were following the spiritual trends of the day. In particular, the Teutonic Order, as well as the Templars and Hospitallers of St John, had a special devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary. The Teutonic Order's devotion to Mary has received plenty of attention, the Templars' less so. New recruits to the Templar Order were told that the Order was established in honor of Mary, and vows were made to "God and our Lady St Mary".

However, the Orders would make a distinction between Mary and female saints, and that of the ordinary women. Mary, it was believed, had been born without sin, and female saints were now in heaven, and therefore beyond sin. There fore they could not lead the good Brothers astray, and could aid them on the spiritual path.

One might make the distinction that "good women"  ;D were the faithful wives, sisters, mothers or daughters who encouraged the faith of their husbands, sons, brothers and nephews, and any virtuous women that came forward to give donations to the Order.

"Bad women" >:( were the common women who led men astray, these were the ones that Brothers should avoid. The "bad women" are women like King Arthur's Guinevere, who leads Lancelot astray.

If Brothers must suffer the company and possible temptations, then they should seek out the first and avoid the second.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 26, 2008, 02:18:08 PM
Yes, Brother, I think I understand your obsession concern with "bad women"   ;) :P

but let's turn back to the current events, why did the Templar's beseech Holy Mary during their final days and not "God"?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 02:22:50 PM
This is a good question.

Maybe they felt that he had looked away from them for failing to hold his Holy Land (the excuse for some as to why they were in the very predicament they were in), and knew full well that she would be the quickest way to his ear.....


something about: when the matriarch is dissatisfied, the whole world shares the feeling..... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 26, 2008, 02:28:57 PM
I'm sure the Council will have much to discuss in light of this new information.

It will be interesting to see if other opinions are shared by the Brothers, Sisters and readers of the thread.   :)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 02:32:49 PM
Catholics do not in ANY WAY believe that the Virign Mary is equal to God, but she does have the most unique relationhsip with God that ever existed. The Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ, the Son in the Trinity. Jesus must pay special attention to His own mother's pleas, as He was the best son ever to live and because honoring one's parents is commanded in the Old Testament. (sounds a bit like painting oneself into a corner)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on August 26, 2008, 02:44:21 PM
I belong to the masonic group of Knights Templar and would love to belong to a service group but for the most part I'm more then likely just a member of the church and service more then anything else. I wasn't sure if that's what she meant.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 26, 2008, 02:48:39 PM
I'm sure you are aware that some Catholics celebrate Mary as the divine feminine and the wife of Jesus...his chief Apostle and a Priestess in her own right...

Is not The Church considering elevating the Blessed Virgin Mary to the role of Co-Redeemer?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 26, 2008, 02:51:11 PM
Quote from: Brother Gregory on August 26, 2008, 02:44:21 PM
I wasn't sure if that's what she meant.

Brother Gregory....I meant your faire monk persona....do you see him as serving in any of the Military Orders....in his role as scribe and gardener it sounds as if he doesn't serve in a battle capacity.  Is that correct?  Which group do you see him affiliated with?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 02:51:19 PM
Brother Gregory, I believe it was in reference to what your "persona" Brother Gregory here is?

Sister Hatchet, this I've not heard, but I will look into it. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on August 26, 2008, 03:15:59 PM
Femme Falchion I would say he's more srvice to the church then Battle Capacity right now possibly in the furture he may be battle.

Warrior_Monk I think right now he's more service to the church Battle at some time soon possibly.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 03:18:21 PM
Understood Brother, straight man of the cloth it is. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 26, 2008, 03:20:00 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 26, 2008, 03:21:48 PM
Thank you Brother Gregory.  Got it.

Brother William....you seem somewhat repetitive today.  Am I missing something? 

(*don't bother playing off that last line....I can imagine all on my own*)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Eternal Ranger on August 26, 2008, 05:50:06 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 26, 2008, 08:13:00 AM
Quote from: Eternal Ranger on August 25, 2008, 09:31:49 PM
Still interested?  Shall we continue?

You're talking about a time and people that had a vast pantheon of Gods. Your reference is especially noted for attempting to compel the Egyptian population in the monotheistic worship of Aten, although there are doubts as to how successful he was at this. Since he tried to place his towards the top of diety food chain of the time.

Their period was also marked by quite a few military actions.

It would, however, be Tutankhaten, who would abandon the capital of Akhenaten, along with the cult of its god. And resume business as usual.

Ahhah you bit.....
Yes there is some speculation as to how effective he was in changing the ideals of many senturies of belief.  But for 17 yrs the state religion was changed.  There were sects and classes that felt the urge to continue as they had for generations before but there was a group of people, some suggest that more of a social elite at the time, might have accepted it as there own.  A group of people who were relatively new to the area and had come to hold a significant amount of power.

Akhenaten's mother , Queen Tiye, was 1/2 hebrew and 1/2 egyptian.  Her father was Tuya, and her mother Yuya.  there is some specualtion that fits very well that the Great visoior Tuya was none other than Joseph of the Bible who came to the Pharoah and told him of his dreams which eventaully saved Egypt from many years of famine and starvation.  Joseph/Tuya was never allowed to be pharoah but was held in the utmost regard by not only Akhenaten, but also his father Amenhotep III.  It is believed that Yuya was sister of Amenhotep III, and gave her a claim on the throne if Amenhotep produced no male heirs.  He did, but one died before he could ascend to the right and privileges of Pharoah.  This left Amenhotep only one son, of whome there was very little  mention until he was given the title of Pharoah of all of Egypt.  At that time he was known as AmenHotep IV.  Some specualtion as to whether Amenhotep III died at his taking over or whether or not they were coregents. 

In the fifth year of his reign he found his new religion and cast out the old as he was travelling down the Nile.  He saw the setting sun in a Waddi on the western shore.  It is there that he founded his new Capitol of Aketaten.  For twlelve years the people worshipped one god under the sun above all others. 
The Aten.

Keeping in mind the political and financial upheaval that must have happened in a society where ther was a god for everything.  With multiple gods you needed multiple priests, and with multiple priests you needed to have somewhere they could worship and have their followers make their sacrifices and offerings of gold and blood.  IN one fell swoop all of that ended. 

The subterfuge and back room discussions must have been fierce.  The plots to assainate the Pharoah, must have been many and turid.  All the while Akhenaten is preaching love and peace and equality of all people under the Aten.  The Aten's life giving power was given to him and his Queen Nefertitti and from there the reflections of it pased through out the Kingdom.  So happy was he following his one god that he did not care much for the loss of many of his city/states far to the North of Canaan( now Israel)  His empire was collapsing from the outside and inside.  Something had to be done.  Otherwise the Hittites, sumarians, and etc would invade and take over the greatest empire at the height of its power.

Removing him forcibly would cause a panic, using military force would be a coupe and cause all neighbors to diverge.  The only option was a natural death and the replacement of him as pharoah. 

I have heard and read many accounts of military power saying to break an enemy you must break their spirit before you can conquer their bodies.  In Akhenatens 15yr of his reign, his beloved wife and perhaps the most beautiful queen of Egypt that was ever known dissappears from the record.  There is no further mention of her in any texts.  Only that Akhenaten was alone in his capitol city with out a wife.  His secondary wife kiya died in childbirth delivering him his only son, Tutankhaten. 


Shall we continue?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2008, 06:44:41 PM
M'lord E.R.,

This info is all well and good, but where's the point of the Arc? Will I be required to travel through a stargate to find what I seek? Maybe you and I should continue this course of discussion via PMs so as not to bog the thread down with things unrelated to the Medieval Military Orders?
Or start a new thread, maybe something like: Hip, Hip, Amun-Ra, ra, ra! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 26, 2008, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on August 26, 2008, 03:21:48 PM
Brother William....you seem somewhat repetitive today.  Am I missing something? 

Just a little visual memorization experiment I am currently dabbling with M'Lady
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 27, 2008, 07:49:50 AM
how goes the visual memorization brother
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2008, 10:33:26 AM
*We interrupt our regularly scheduled topics, for the daily devotional*

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Represent-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2008, 10:51:56 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 27, 2008, 07:49:50 AM
how goes the visual memorization brother

Not well...if you can't remember it! ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 27, 2008, 11:06:04 AM
The Saints of the Order of Malta (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/smom1fla.gif)

The patron Saint of the Order is St. John the Baptist since the church at the foundation hospital of the Order was dedicated to him.

Members of the order who have been officially canonised (proclaimed as Saints) by the Church:


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/hugo.gif)

St. Hugh


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/nicasio.gif)

St. Nicaise


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/toscana.gif)

St. Toscana



(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/flora.gif)

Saint Fleur


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/ubaldesc.gif)


St. Ubaldesca













Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 27, 2008, 11:34:06 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 27, 2008, 10:51:56 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 27, 2008, 07:49:50 AM
how goes the visual memorization brother

Not well...if you can't remember it! ;) :P

:P i didn't mean my visual memorization my memory like a steel trap
I ment his visual memorization
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2008, 11:44:47 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 27, 2008, 11:34:06 AM
:P i didn't mean my visual memorization my memory like a steel trap


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/bows/Hog%20trap/Hogtrap002.jpg)


empty.....closed? ;) :P

The door was left open for that................ ::)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 27, 2008, 12:29:40 PM
you are soo bad brother maybe you should do some pentance.
and be inducted into a new order a female order
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 27, 2008, 12:52:29 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on August 27, 2008, 11:34:06 AM
my memory like a steel trap

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thinking1.gif)



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 27, 2008, 01:06:00 PM
 :P :P funny but i was thinking more like a box with solid steel sides what you put in ain't leaking out.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 27, 2008, 01:10:37 PM
Sir William....gramercy.  The Saints of the Order of Malta is quite interesting.  

How good to know that there have been others before me; living in perfect matrimonial chastity, taking care of husband, house, and doing good works.  

(*must get out!*)


Lady De Pond....I have a trap to suggest....

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2008, 01:22:47 PM
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/wistfulvista/icons/coffee_spray.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 27, 2008, 02:07:44 PM
Lady De Pond...now I am vexed that I've offended thee...

I would rather pour all the consecrated wine out in the streets than do so....

please forgive me if it was offensive.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 27, 2008, 02:39:11 PM
wow what a trap
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 27, 2008, 03:49:27 PM
Welcome to 'Templars in Spain: 101', your instructor: Frere Mikael de Aragon...

It is not until 1131 that the Templars are mentioned in dated documents of a reliable character in north-eastern Spain. Nevertheless, there appears to be an earlier reference to them in Aragon in an undated letter written apparently not later than 1130 by William, archbishop of Auch. The letter concerns the militia which Alfonso I of Aragon had established at Monreal del Campo and mentions that this militia had been freed by Alfonso from paying the royal tax of a fifth of booty captured from the Moors 'like the militia of Jerusalem'. The Temple therefore appears to have been receiving privileges from Alfonso I by 1130.

The century following the Templars' arrival in the Iberian Peninsula witnessed a very marked expansion of the Order in north-eastern Spain. In that region the Templars acquired more wealth than the Hospitallers, while the Spanish military orders failed to attain in the Corona de Aragón the importance which they possessed in the centre of the Peninsula. This Templar expansion resulted to a considerable degree from the favour shown to the Order by the rulers of Aragon and Catalonia in return for its participation in the reconquista.

By the time that the Templars arrived in Spain the raiding between Christian and Moor which had characterized much of the eleventh century had been partly replaced on the Christian side by a policy of conquest, and in the north-east of the Peninsula the later decades of the eleventh and the early years of the twelfth centuries had been marked by notable Christian advances. Alfonso I, the king of Aragon and Navarre when the Templars reached the Peninsula, had conquered much of the middle valley of the Ebro, including the city of Zaragoza, and had made further gains to the south along the rivers Jalón and Jiloca. And to assist him in preserving and extending his gains, Alfonso had in 1122 founded the military confraternity at Belchite. In these circumstances it is not surprising that in Aragon and Catalonia, as in Portugal, the Templars were immediately expected to give military assistance against the Moors. This expectation is apparent from the count of Barcelona's grant of the castle of Grañena, for this lay in the march or frontier area, and was given 'for the defence of Christendom according to the purpose for which the Order was founded'; and this wording was repeated in 1132 when Armengol VI, count of Urgel, gave the Temple the frontier castle of Barbará, which his family had held of the counts of Barcelona since 1067. The task of defending frontier castles, which the Templars were later to perform in the Holy Land, was already being assigned to them in Catalonia.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 27, 2008, 03:56:49 PM
Templar Commanderies in the Corona de Aragon (Kingdom of Aragon, Iberian Peninsula, present day Spain):


(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll51/TexasTemplar/ilustracion.jpg)

The Commandery of Monzon (of which Frere Mikael is the Precepteur):

The Templars received the Monzón castle in 1143 and, then, Saint John's Royal Chapel. This rich commandery, on which they had civil, criminal and religious jurisdiction, had a network of farms and knight commander representatives.

According to the writer Castillón Tallada, the Monzón castle experienced the revival of a new conception of religious life, as the Templar charisma did not consist of living cut off from the world, but integrated in the Medieval society while doing an unprecedented military, agricultural and cultural apostolate.

Prince James and his cousin Raymond Berenguer V, count of Provence, were educated under the protection of the knight commander Guillem de Mont-rodon. James I The Conqueror went to Monzón to celebrate the Cortes, in 1232, which dealt with the conquest of Valencia. The Monzón castle was the Order's last bastion, which resisted heroically against the troops of King James II.

(http://www.lleida.org/domustempli/imagenes/cst_monzon.jpg)

The Monzón castle preserves five big towers scattered in the parade ground. The walls of the keep (9th-10th C) combine boulders and ashlar works. The temple, the refectory, the bedroom outbuildings and the tower of James I stand around the keep.

The temple, with a defensive appearance, has an underground tunnel with an external exit, which is accessible from the apse. These magnificent grounds are completed with the stables, the guard post, the powder magazine, the rainwater cisterns, the corridors and the defensive batteries (18th C) of the artillery barracks.

Monzón's old quarter includes Saint Mary's Cathedral (12th C) -a monument of a great historical and artistic interest-, various museums, exhibition halls and Renaissance palaces surrounded by beautiful landscapes.




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 27, 2008, 04:03:15 PM
Seals of the Templars in Aragon:

In 1224 the provincial master was using a round seal (25 mm. in diameter) of black or dark-green wax, depicting a lamb and bearing the legend: S. PVINCIE ET ARAGONIS. According to a bull issued by Innocent IV in 1251 it was customary for successive provincial masters to use the same seal. A change had been made, however, when the province of Provence and certain parts of Spain was divided into two. The master of Provence contined to use a seal depicting a lamb, but the seal of the Aragonese master William of Cardoona, although round (29 mm. indiameter) and of black or dark-green wax, depicted a knight on horseback, carrying a lance and shield, on which was a cross; it bore the legend: S. MINISTRI TEMPLI ARAGON CATALON. This form of seal was also used by later Aragonese provincial masters.

Seals of convents and commanders:? 
Alfambra - 1248. Brown wax, round, 30 mm. in diameter, depicting a cross. Legend:......LUM CASTRI

Barbará - Early fourteenth century. Yellow wax, round, 29 mm. in diameter, depicting a castle between two fishes. Legend: S. COMAND.....BARBERA

Gardeny - Early fourteenth century. Yellow wax, round, 27 mm. in diameter, depicting a cross, with stars in two angles and shields with crosses in the other two. Legend: S. AR..........GARDENNI. This is the seal of Arnold of Banyuls.

Huesca - Round, depicting a castle. Legend: S. DOM. TEMPLI DE OSCA.

Miravet - 1278, 1287. Depicting a lion.

Monzón - Early fourteenth century. Round, depicting a castle with three towers, with a griffin on each side. Legend: S. CASTELL........ONI.

Tortosa - Late thirteenth century. Depicting a cross. Legend: SIGILLUM MILICIE TEMPLI IN DERTOSA.


CLASS DISMISSED FOR THE DAY!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2008, 06:11:05 PM
Frere Mikael,

For being a wounded warrior of the Faith, that was an absolutely splendid overview of the Templars in Iberia! A struggle that most folks overlook because of the publicity of the "Eastern" Crusades. It should be noted by passing "thread pilgrims", that the conflict in Spain (Reconquista) was the only successful crusade against the Muslim enemy. (I direct their attention to the fact that is was a success as a Crusade against Moors, while the only other success in Crusades was the epic 20 year struggle in the Albigensian affair against Cathar heretics)

Brother, if possible, could you provide some of the battle analysis for specific fights in this region?

Pax vobiscum, and again well done!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 27, 2008, 06:54:46 PM
Let me consult the official Aragonese scrolls, which I, er...left at the day job.   :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 27, 2008, 10:27:38 PM
(Nightschool is now in session...)

At the beginning, the main activity of the Knights Templar was the protection of the pilgrims going to the Holy Land. This was their initial and only objective as Gregory IX said in his bull of 1238. This meant, in particular, the protection of the road from Jaffa to Césarée. This was an everyday job involving frequent fighting.

Their first recorded battle was however in Portugal. In September 1132, they defended Grayana and the Marche and for this they received the castle of Barbara from the Count Ermengaud d'Urgell. Liberating Spain and Portugal of the Moslems was considered as important as taking back the Holy Land. The first crusade to free these countries started in Toulouse in 1064 and aimed to free Barcelona. The Templar military story at the beginning involved mainly Spain. They received their first fort, Calatrava, between 1126 and 1130. When the King of Spain, Alphonse d'Aragon died in 1134, having no heir, he left Spain to the Templars, the Hospitallers as well as to the Chaplains of the Holy Sepulchre. The Templars refused, feeling that their first vocation was in the Holy Land. However they had large estates in the Iberian peninsula. The Queen of Portugal gave them the castle of Soure. They also received the forest of Cera and there they founded the towns of Radin, Ega and Coimbra. In Spain they received many castles and forts such as Monzon and Montjoie following their participation in the war against the Moslems.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 27, 2008, 10:33:10 PM
(And to our sisters in the Order of the Hatchet, it is my honor to welcome you back home to Aragon) :

The Order of the Hatchet

There is a case of a clearly military order of knighthood for women. It is the order of the Hatchet (orden de la Hacha) in Catalonia. It was founded in 1149 by Raymond Berenger, count of Barcelona, to honor the women who fought for the defense of the town of Tortosa against a Moor attack. The dames admitted to the order received many privileges, including exemption from all taxes, and took precedence over men in public assemblies. I presume the order died out with the original members.

Here is a description taken from Ashmole, The Institution, Laws, and Ceremony of the Most Noble Order of the Garter (1672), Ch. 3, sect. 3:

"The example is of the Noble Women of Tortosa in Aragon, and recorded by Josef Micheli Marquez, who plainly calls them Cavalleros or Knights."

(Please reference the previously posted map of Templar commanderies in Aragon, showing the location of Tortosa in the Corona de Aragon. And Brothers William and Cliff wonder why Frere Mikael is stationed in Spain; that's where the spirited women are!!!)   ;D ;) :D


Nnight Class dismissed!!!  Tomorrow's lessons will focus on Templar battles in the Corona de Aragon, as requested by Frere Cliff.   8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 28, 2008, 07:49:30 AM
Well done indeed Sir Mikael, good read my brother.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 28, 2008, 08:08:24 AM
yes i agree very good read
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 28, 2008, 09:09:23 AM
As I am not sure how many of the Brothers and Sisters of this thread will be off tomorrow, enjoying a possible long four day weekend, I thought I'd take this time to wish you all well, and remind you that tomorrow the 29th of August is the 829th anniversary of a violent, but obscure battle in Templar history: the Battle of Jacob's Ford......a prelude to Hattin!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 28, 2008, 09:12:15 AM
The Crusaders' Lost Fort: Battle at Jacob's Ford

http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/?action=view&current=BattleofJacobsFord.flv

The Battle at Jacob's Ford
At dawn on Thursday 29 August 1179, the great Muslim sultan Saladin launched a deadly assault on the Crusader castle of Jacob's Ford in the Holy Land. As his troops poured through a burning breach in the walls, the Christian garrison of elite Templar knights made a bloody, but ultimately futile, last stand.

In a final act of bravery the Templar commander mounted his warhorse and charged into the fray. One of Saladin's lieutenants later described how 'he threw himself into a hole full of fire without fear of the intense heat and, from this brazier, he was immediately thrown into another - that of Hell'.
'He threw himself into a hole full of fire without fear of the intense heat...'

On that day 800 of the garrison were butchered, and a further 700 taken captive. With the stronghold overrun, Saladin set about razing it to the ground, later claiming that he ripped the foundation stones out with his own hands. The site was then abandoned and for eight centuries it lay untouched, its story all but forgotten.

The true significance of Jacob's Ford, around 50 miles north-west of Jerusalem, is only now becoming apparent. With its location rediscovered and archaeological excavation underway, it now appears that the fall of this seemingly obscure fortress was actually a pivotal moment in the history of the Crusades as well as the wider struggle between Islam and the West.

The struggle for power

The year 1174 saw two men assume power in the Near East whose careers and fortunes were inextricably entwined.

Baldwin IV ascended to the throne of the kingdom of Jerusalem aged just 13 and was already suffering from leprosy. In that same year, Saladin, more than 20 years Baldwin's senior and ruler of Egypt, seized possession of ancient Damascus, the seat of Muslim power in Syria.

'These two rulers were against one another in a bitterly fought contest for dominion over Jerusalem'
Saladin set out to forge an empire that encircled the Crusader states, promoting himself as a champion of Islamic Jihad, all with the avowed intention of recovering Jerusalem. At the same time, King Baldwin's reign was dominated by the spectre of Muslim invasion and the need to defend the Holy City at any cost.

These two rulers were against one another in a bitterly fought contest for dominion over Jerusalem, which the Crusaders had held since 1099.

In November 1177, Saladin launched his first full-scale invasion of the Latin kingdom, but in an unexpected show of courage and martial skill, King Baldwin managed to surprise and overwhelm the sultan's numerically superior force near a hill known as Mont Gisard.

This was a striking achievement - the only defeat in pitched battle that Saladin suffered before the advent of Richard the Lionheart and the Third Crusade. The sultan's troops were routed, while he himself only narrowly avoided death and was forced to limp back to Egypt, his aura of invincibility shattered.

Although the cost in manpower to Baldwin was severe - 1,100 dead and a further 750 injured - he had earned a resounding endorsement of his right to rule, the 'miracle' of his victory appearing as a sign of divine mandate. But how would the young king build upon this success?

Development of Jacob's Ford

In October 1178 Baldwin set out to construct a castle which would destabilize Saladin's nascent empire and shift the balance of power in his own favor - the fortress of Jacob's Ford.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/JacobsFord.jpg)

He began fortifying a strip of raised ground on the west bank of the River Jordan, beside an ancient ford north of the Sea of Galilee. With swamps upstream and rapids to the south, this ford was the only crossing of the Jordan for 50 miles and, as such, acted as a gateway between Latin Palestine and Muslim Syria.

'It stood in a frontier zone contested by both Baldwin and Saladin - a kind of no-man's-land between their respective realms'

But Jacob's Ford did not lie on the Crusader's side of a literal border line. Instead it stood in a frontier zone contested by both Baldwin and Saladin - a kind of no-man's-land between their respective realms. Add to this the fact that Jacob's Ford was just one day's march from Damascus, and it becomes clear that Baldwin was, in 1178, adopting an audacious, even visionary, strategy.

His new castle was designed to be a defensive tool as well as an offensive weapon, to severely inhibit Saladin's ability to invade the Latin kingdom while simultaneously undermining the sultan's security in Damascus. If completed, this fortress could thwart Saladin's ambitions for an empire stretching into northern Syria and Mesopotamia.

Baldwin took his new project at Jacob's Ford exceptionally seriously, committing practically the entire resources of his realm to its construction. Between October 1178 and April 1179 he actually moved his seat of government to the building site to be on hand as supervisor and protector. He also enlisted the aid of the Templars, a military order that combined the ideals of knighthood and monasticism in the sacred pursuit of the Holy Land's defense.

Saladin's response

However, Saladin did not have the manpower to launch an attack as he was fighting Muslim rebels in the north of Syria.

Instead he sought to use bribery in place of brute force. He offered Baldwin 60,000 dinars, then increased this offer to 100,000 dinars, if he halted building work and left Jacob's Ford, but the king refused, and by April, the first stage of construction was completed.

The castle now had a formidable ten meter high wall - what one Arabic contemporary later described as 'an impregnable rampart of stone and iron' – and a single tower, but it was still a work in progress.

'Jacob's Ford was described by an Arabic contemporary as 'an impregnable rampart of stone and iron''

By late August 1179 Saladin was ready to launch a full-scale attack on Jacob's Ford. On Saturday 24 August he began an assault-based siege, his intention to break into the castle as rapidly as possible. There was no time for a protracted encirclement siege, because Baldwin IV was by now stationed nearby at Tiberias, on the shores of the Sea of Galilee, just a half day's march to the south west.

As soon as news of the attack reached him the king began assembling a relief army, so the siege was effectively a race - could the Muslims crack the stronghold's defenses before the Latin forces arrived?

Saladin's tactics

The 12th-century written records, and the archaeological evidence now being uncovered, offer a vivid picture of what happened over the next five, grim days.

Saladin began by bombarding the fortress with arrows from east and west - hundreds of arrowheads have been discovered on these fronts. At the same time, specialist miners, probably from Syrian Aleppo, were sent to tunnel under the north-eastern corner of the walls, working night and day to collapse the ramparts through the technique of sapping.
'Specialist miners, probably from Syrian Aleppo, were sent to tunnel under the north-eastern corner of the walls'

Meanwhile, Baldwin was preparing to march from Tiberias. In the half-light of dawn on Thursday 29 August the king set out with his army to save Jacob's Ford.

Unbeknownst to him, at that same moment fires were being lit within Saladin's expanded siege mine. Its wooden pit props burned and the passageway caved in, bringing down the walls above. With such a colossal breach the Latin garrison was all but beaten and a bloody sack followed.
Archaeological evidence

Human skeletal remains unearthed within the fortress bear witness to the ferocity of the assault. One of the skulls showed evidence of three separate sword cuts, the last of which split the head and crushed the brain. Another warrior's arm was chopped off above the elbow before he was dispatched.

With much of the castle in flames, Saladin slaughtered more than half of the garrison, amassing a mountain of plunder, including 1,000 coats of armor.
'Baldwin got his first despairing glimpse of smoke on the horizon - evidence of the destruction at Jacob's Ford'

By noon, racing northwards, Baldwin got his first despairing glimpse of smoke on the horizon - evidence of the destruction at Jacob's Ford. He was just six hours too late.

In the two weeks that followed, Saladin dismantled the castle of Jacob's Ford, stone by stone. Most of the Latin dead, along with their horses and mules, were thrown into the stronghold's capacious cistern. This was a rather ill-advised policy, because soon after a 'plague' broke out, ravaging the Muslim army and claiming the life of ten of Saladin's commanders.

By mid-October, with his primary objective achieved, Saladin decided to abandon the seemingly cursed site, and Jacob's Ford became a forgotten ruin.

1179 - the turning point

The year 1179 proved to be a turning point in the struggle between Baldwin IV and Saladin. With the loss of Jacob's Ford, Baldwin's plan to stem the rising tide of Islamic Jihad foundered.
'With the kingdom of Jerusalem destabilized and his hold over Damascus secured, Saladin flourished'
Between his victory at Mont Gisard and the fortification of Jacob's Ford, the young king had seized the initiative, garnering an aura of legitimacy and daring. But, with the advent of the 1180s, Baldwin's fortunes waned. Increasingly debilitated by leprosy, his reign now stained by bitter defeat, Baldwin's grasp on the throne faltered. He died in 1185, aged just 23, his hopes of defending the Holy Land in tatters.

In contrast, with the kingdom of Jerusalem destabilized and his hold over Damascus secured, Saladin flourished, uniting the Muslim world between the Nile and the Euphrates and encircling and isolating the Crusader kingdom.

In 1187, he met one of Baldwin's successors in pitched battle, crushed the Latin army and went on to recapture Jerusalem for Islam. The Holy City was to remain in Muslim hands until the 20th century.


Also see:
http://ateret.huji.ac.il/about.html

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 28, 2008, 10:22:37 AM
Fascinating. One must raise a cup to those that have fell.....Deus Vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 28, 2008, 12:58:29 PM
To the Council of the Few and Templar Professors

This is a formal request for a week long leave of absence to attend the First Annual Conference of Cavalleras. (the location of which....a beautiful beach of unparalleled beauty to the South on the shores of the Atlantic)

I look forward to attending and bringing back information to share.  Workshops include;

2-Handed Throwing: Getting the Biggest Bang for your Chuck.  2 hatchets are better than 1! Build precision and strength to eviscerate that invader the first time, every time.

Papal Dispensation: How to Obtain Favors without Selling your Soul. It's a patriarchal world out there.  How to be granted funds to do good works.

Mary, Queen of the Heavens. A new look at the Holy Mother through the ages.  What does she really mean to the Templars?

Rightfully Yours: Managing Assets, Apparel and Jewels.  How to run your finances now that you legally can.

Raising the Seize & Looking Your Best.  Wearing the vestments of our men can be difficult given our God-given gifts.  Learn strategies to look your best while protecting your homeland.

Yoga for Hatchet Wielders. Learn breath, meditation and muscle lengthening practices to center your Cavalleras mind and spirit.


Maintaining the Nobleman's EgoMany husbands feel threatened by strong Cavalleras who bear arms and speak freely and first.  Learn ways to maintain a happy household through Tapas, Tempranillo and (sanctioned) Temptations.

Inspirational Speakers

Lady Ashley of De Coals on  Listening to GodHear the Militissa of the Frati della Beata Gloriosa Vergine Maria share her story of how God saved her from getting a tattoo.

Lady Knight Poofie shares with us her groundbreaking life as a female jouster and gifted chain maille crafter.  (hauberks, chausses, coifs and aventails available for purchase at the registration desk)


Please consider my humble request and I look forward to the Council's response (although I'm packing presently and intend on leaving the day after next).  It is also my intention to study the new information that has been released by the Professors as well as a thorough celebration of the warriors of the Battle at Jacob's Ford.

Many thanks to Professor Mikael de Aragon for including the Order of the Hatchet in his 'Templars in Spain: 101' lecture.

Ave Maria!

Respectfully,

Sister Hatchet
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 28, 2008, 01:03:29 PM
 ;) that should be good ff
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 28, 2008, 01:33:30 PM
(STAMP OF APPROVAL)   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Eternal Ranger on August 28, 2008, 08:58:14 PM
Where do I sign up Sister Hatchet?

ER
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 29, 2008, 04:01:41 AM
APPROVED!!! Most Excellent Sister Hatchet!! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/24.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icn___clap.gif)

And as an added bonus, and a showing of genorosity to this spectacular extravaganza. I William Marcus will donate....


To this soon-to-be historical event, at no additional charge...Deus Vult!
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Have a great time Sisters!














Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 29, 2008, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 29, 2008, 04:01:41 AM
APPROVED!!! Most Excellent Sister Hatchet!! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/24.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icn___clap.gif)

And as an added bonus, and a showing of genorosity to this all ready spectacular extravaganza. I William Marcus will donate....

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To this soon-to-be historical event, at no additional charge...Deus Vult!
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Have a great time Sisters!



Brother William Marcus you may wish to do pentance for temptation of gluteny
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 29, 2008, 01:23:06 PM
Doing a little Iberian Orders representing!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 29, 2008, 02:00:21 PM
Very nice image representing the Iberian Orders my brother. By chance, did you produce it??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 29, 2008, 02:02:24 PM
Did we just lose a post??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 29, 2008, 03:30:31 PM
I did some touch up work on it... ;)

And yes we did lose a post, but she'll deny it! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 29, 2008, 03:33:38 PM
In an attempt to further shed light on our Warrior Monk Brethren and Sisters on the peninsula, I offer for your consumption:

PROPERTY OF THE MILITARY ORDERS (In Iberia)

The medieval Iberian Reconquest brought about the organization of Christian knights into Hispanic military orders, similar to the European Knights Templars and the Knights of Malta. The most important of the strictly Hispanic crusading orders were the Knights of Calatrava, Alcántara, and Santiago, all founded on the Christian- Moslem frontier in the mid-twelfth century. These crusading orders played a major role in expanding and defending the frontier. In return, the kings of León and Castile rewarded them generously with land grants in formerly Moslem territories. It was not long until the three largest orders had become exceedingly powerful, the owners of extensive domains, especially in New Castile. Land meant wealth, and the orders' wealth posed a threat to royal authority. That threat was removed when Ferdinand and Isabella managed to gain for the crown the master ships of all three major Hispanic orders. Thus the orders were deprived of their political independence, but although controlled by the crown, they maintained their traditional structures, and continued to exert a powerful influence over rural Castilian society throughout the sixteenth century.

The property of the orders was assigned to the organizations' various dignitaries, often in encomiendas (territories entrusted to their care). Each encomienda was administered by a comendador appointed by the Grand Master of the order, and included specified lands, revenues, and privileges. The income from the encomienda was to be used for the support of the local churches and clergy, and for military expenses. But the comendadores could pocket the difference between revenues and expenses; consequently, such positions were much coveted, and they were used to reward personal, political, and military favors. Some encomiendas were created at the time of the Reconquest, but others came into existence later, to encourage resettlement of empty spaces, even as late as the sixteenth century. The military orders played the same kind of role in resettling their lands as the nobility and the church did on theirs. They repopulated most of the pre-Reconquest settlements, and sponsored altogether new ones, apportioning land to individual colonists for grain and for vines, and to newly formed town councils for pasture and for other community purposes. But the orders reserved for themselves the ownership of a large part of the land of their territories, to provide income through rentals and other dispositions for their own benefit. The orders exercised over their territories the same kind of seigneurial jurisdiction enjoyed by the church and the nobility over some of their lands. The territories of the orders were concentrated in New Castile, but Salomon (1964: 203-6) found that only 16.8 percent of the 569 villages he studied were under the seigneurial jurisdiction of military orders, whereas 31.2 percent were realengos, 11.9 percent were abadengos, and 39.8 percent were de señorío. Order villages tended to be more populous than these others, however, and Salomon calculated that they contained 31.9 percent of the total population of the villages he studied.

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The map shows the location of the order territories in Castile during the second quarter of the sixteenth century. The concentration of order influence in New Castile is quite clear. However, it should not be thought that the orders owned all the lands in the areas shown on the map, nor did they even exercise seigneurial jurisdiction over all of those areas. The city of Ciudad Real, for example, located in the middle of a huge territory dominated by the Order of Calatrava, was a royal town, and there were many others within the order areas, originally established by the Castilian monarchs to provide a royal presence to counterbalance the power of the orders. There were, similarly, some abadengo and señorío villages situated within the areas indicated on the map as belonging to the orders. As stated earlier, the orders had found it necessary to grant landownership to individuals and to towns to encourage colonization. And even after the initial resettlement grants, the comendadores followed the practice of granting additional lands as population growth made the original allocations inadequate. As was the practice in other seigneurial lands, the orders typically reserved for themselves a specified annual tribute, in recognition of their jurisdiction.

After the crown took over the masterships, the orders were administered by the Council of Orders in Madrid. But under this arrangement, although the medieval structures were maintained, the orders could not be supervised as closely as they had been when they were completely autonomous. And this greater laxity was translated into a loss of lands as a result of peasant and other usurpations, and into a gradual loss of revenues and privileges (Quirós 1965: 209-l0). These reductions in order property, however, were minor when compared to the losses that came as the result of crown sales. The perpetual financial difficulties of the Habsburgs caused them to be constantly on the search for new revenue-making possibilities. And in 1529 Charles V obtained a bull from Pope Clement VII authorizing him to alienate order property and revenues worth up to 40,000 ducados a year. By virtue of that authority, the emperor sold numerous jurisdictions, revenues, and lands, assigning government bonds (juros) to the comendadores as compensation for their lost property. According to the papal authorization, the funds the crown gained through these were to be used exclusively for building convents and forts in the kingdom of Granada and in Africa, for defense against the Moslems. But the forts and convents, in fact, were never founded. When Charles V abdicated the throne in 1556, he transferred to his son Philip his right to dismember order property up to the 40,000 ducados a year. This right, which was confirmed by Pius IV in 1560, was amplified in 1569 by Pius V, who gave Philip another bull authorizing the disposal of an additional 40,000 ducados per year. And the 'prudent king' did not hesitate to take full advantage of the opportunity. But he suffered great scruples about the sales, and in his will he ordered Philip III to buy back the alienated property and to restitute it to the orders. But Philip III did not find it possible to do so, and in turn ordered his successor to make the restitution. And in the end, despite these royal pangs of conscience, the orders never regained their lost property. Furthermore, it seems that Charles V and Philip II sold more order property than the authorized amount, and when it became difficult for the royal treasury to make payments on the bonds given in return, the crown appropriated additional order revenues to pay them. And it appears that the price the crown allowed the orders for the alienated property was far below its real value.

Some order lands were sold as tierras baldías, in a major fund raising project developed in the early years of the reign of Philip II. For example, in 1577-80 the crown dispatched two special commissioners to sell the tierras renteñas (rental lands) of the Order of Calatrava in the area of Martos (Jaén). These lands were sold to individuals and to municipalities through censos al quitar (redeemable mortgages) that yielded payments totaling 7,944,075 mrs per year. But this amount was insufficient for the exigencies of the treasury of Philip II, and in 1580 that monarch sold his rights to the censo payments to the German banker Marcus Fugger for the principal sum of 111,217,053 mrs. After that, it was Fugger, rather than the crown, who collected the annual censo payments. And in Mohernando (Guadalajara), the baldíos sold in the early 1590S were actually lands of the Order of Santiago.
The orders did not directly exploit their lands, but rather gave them out for rental. Arable lands were typically let out to peasants through censos enfitéuticos, which might call for the payment of a specified sum each year, or they might require the payment of a share (often one-fifth) of the harvest. But some lands were rented for short periods. For example, the Order of Santiago owned certain lands near Seville that it rented out in 1575 for terms of varying length -- some for only a year, and others for several years. Each rental contract was different: some provided for cash rent; others for a share of the crop; and still others for a combination of cash and goods. One piece of land, for instance, was rented for 70 cahizes of grain, 18 chickens, 1 sheep, 1 hog, 1 calf, 1 fanega of chickpeas, 1 arroba of cheese, and 3 ducados of cash. In some contracts there was a provision that in bad years the renter would be excused from the normal rent, and would pay one-sixth of the harvest, instead. Order lands were rented not only by individuals, but also by town governments, who subcontracted them to their vecinos for arable, for pasture, or for both purposes.

But the orders reserved for themselves the best pastures of their vast territories, and these were rented (often at public auction) for use as winter pastures for migratory northern herds, and for summer pasture (agostadero) for local animals. The Mesta, of course, claimed the right to pasture its flocks on any lands upon which they had ever grazed, but it had to pay for the privilege. The length and terms of these rental contracts varied, but it was usual to charge a certain amount per animal. As indicated in chapter 2, the use of acorns was supposed to be common, and free. Nevertheless, there were times when the orders tried to charge a fee for the utilization of the acorns on their lands. In 1491 Ferdinand and Isabella ordered the master of the Order of Alcántara to stop the practice. Nevertheless, in the early 1550s, after the crown had assumed the masterships, the Order of Santiago continued to sell the right to pasture pigs on the acorns of its dehesas near Mérida (Badajoz), demonstrating once again that where money was involved, the crown was not consistent in its policies.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 29, 2008, 05:41:16 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 29, 2008, 03:30:31 PM
I did some touch up work on it... ;)

And yes we did lose a post, but she'll deny it! :P

i'm not the one who wrote it my friend
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 30, 2008, 03:20:54 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 30, 2008, 09:59:23 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 30, 2008, 08:03:33 AM
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how rude :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 31, 2008, 09:39:52 AM
I have removed the offensive post. :-X
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 01, 2008, 02:48:53 PM

"I am what I am, someone has to be." 


LOL..I just caught that ...

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Reynald!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 01, 2008, 06:47:57 PM
Ouch!  :P ;)


"It's what I do...."
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 01, 2008, 09:07:23 PM
Rofl silly men
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 02, 2008, 08:34:31 AM
Start the new week off on the right foot......... ;) :P

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 02, 2008, 10:52:59 AM
LMAO!!! That is absolutely hilarious!! Thanks brother that made my day!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 02, 2008, 11:47:47 AM
Just to reiterate.... ;D

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 01, 2008, 06:47:57 PM
"It's what I do...."
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 03, 2008, 09:02:52 AM
Frere Cliff, thank you for stepping and sharing some history on the Iberian Peninsula. I still owe everyone some info about some of the battles there. Stupid work getting in the way of historical research! Excellent work on the picture of the Spanish Orders, too!!!

In the interests of sharing some nice artwork, though, I humbly submit the following, which can in no way compete with Frere Williams box of cereal....

(http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs31/f/2008/226/1/5/Knight_of_the_Hospitaler_by_XxMaRtZ93xX.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 03, 2008, 10:48:17 AM
Latest submission for our Sisters of the Sword...

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 03, 2008, 10:56:45 AM
Two enthusiastic thumbs up from the Iberian Precepteur!!!    ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 03, 2008, 11:47:52 AM
interesting art work
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 03, 2008, 12:41:08 PM
I am sure by now that Brother Willaim has seen these, but for those who haven't, here he and his Brother are....representing!!!

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Awesome Brother!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 03, 2008, 02:23:05 PM
What a surprise as I have yet to see those photos of that day.  We just completed our patrolling of the grounds protecting to the good pilgrims when these photo's were taken.

Note the below photo is of a fellow brehtren "Sir Joe" in the Ibelin colors who assisted us on this glorious day. Check out his full maile. It is an absolute incredible kit down to the last detail. Without a doubt, one of the best I have seen.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 03, 2008, 02:25:10 PM
OUTSTANDING!!!!!

Love that maille. Imminently jealous.   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 03, 2008, 09:11:19 PM
and warrior this year at Garf don't be such a snob
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on September 03, 2008, 10:05:36 PM
Ummmm....well, well, well,
Catching up once again after another crazy week. Seems I've missed some great history lessons and a good deal of fun. Thank you gentlemen and Ladies!

Been putting off even perushing this thread for a few days, as I found out last week that I somehow managed to leave the Hospitaller soft kit packed away in Kansas, and it's left me completely flustered and dejected. Don't know how, or IF, I will be able to talk one of my parents into finding and sending it to me for TRF, but keep your respective fingers crossed.

Wish I had something of import to add to the discussions, but life has continued to conspire in keeping me in the dark on too many things. All the best, and please keep it up everyone!

-H
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 04, 2008, 07:53:01 AM
 ;D Hospitaller you've been avoiding us cause you lost your garment?
none the less glad to see you anyway. come back often
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 04, 2008, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: Hospitaller on September 03, 2008, 10:05:36 PM
Been putting off even perushing this thread for a few days, as I found out last week that I somehow managed to leave the Hospitaller soft kit packed away in Kansas, and it's left me completely flustered and dejected.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 06, 2008, 07:06:21 AM
Stopping by to remind everyone that Sister Hatchet is probably feeling the effects of the storm's land fall today. Best wishes to her and her family, and apparently Mother Nature didn't think your penances were quite enough.... ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 06, 2008, 11:53:27 AM
OMG, land fall is in her realm.  Best wishes to and yours lady warrior.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 06, 2008, 06:42:48 PM
So nice to be thought of in absentia...and I thank you for such kind concerns

On the contrary Warrior Monk, as usual, Mother Nature continues in her blessings and I dare say that I cannot think of but 1 thing that requires my penance  ;) ;)

Hanna was as a true sister, her breezes wiped the sweat from my brow;
(due to) A. fervent prayer or B. Power walking the beach

and her rains were welcomed to quench the; A. drought here in the Iberian peninsula or B. my overindulged thirst of the past 7 days

Our cloister was gathered and evacuated (a half day ahead of scheduled departure) in order to give adequate space for Lady Hanna's landfall.  Back at our grove in the woods we received 5 glorious inches of rain and moderately high winds but for a brief time only.  A few trees are down in the woods but nothing that wasn't already dead or unhealthy. 

A good cleansing.  Others (the less pious perhaps) did not fair as well.  Sending Ike to you WM.  ;) :D

So, I'M BACK!   :) Huzzah!


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 06, 2008, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 06, 2008, 06:42:48 PM
Sending Ike to you WM.  ;) :D

Good to hear all is well. Ike can bring his worst, sadly I'm on the road for most of the next two weeks, training young warriors of the GA N.G. before they too take their place in the epic struggle that's playing out in our life time. God bless them, they're a good bunch!

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Frere William, they love the hat and the stories from my past trip to the Outremer; they seem to compliment each other. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 07, 2008, 03:52:57 AM
Welcome back Sister Hatchet.  It is good to hear that Hanna spared you her fury.
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Frere Cliff. It is indeed a fine looking cap my brother.  It pleases the Draper emmencely to hear of its approval from the troops.

Cap facts:
Did you know? The khaki caps were chosen as a backdrop to the beausant to represent the barren, dried, parched lands of the Outremer.


I know...Facinating! ;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 07, 2008, 07:50:13 PM
Warrior Monk...I know my eyes deceive me...but it looks like you are training in whip use?


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 07, 2008, 11:15:28 PM
Happy Birthday King Richard!!!


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 08, 2008, 05:44:53 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 07, 2008, 07:50:13 PM
Warrior Monk...I know my eyes deceive me...but it looks like you are training in whip use?


Those would be the carrying handles of a scout surveillance system, but hey, I'm game with an Indiana Jones image... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 08, 2008, 07:08:50 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 07, 2008, 11:15:28 PM
Happy Birthday King Richard!!!

A great day indeed!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 08, 2008, 08:55:42 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 07, 2008, 03:52:57 AM
Cap facts:
Did you know? The khaki caps were chosen as a backdrop to the beausant to represent the barren, dried, parched lands of the Outremer.


I know...Facinating! ;)

It's like the designers are Light Years ahead of their times.....absolutely unreal! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 08, 2008, 08:59:22 AM
designer = artist
don't you know all artist are either ahead or behind thier time
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 08, 2008, 09:10:08 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 08, 2008, 08:55:42 AM
It's like the designers are Light Years ahead of their times.....absolutely unreal! ;)

It boggles my mind to think how much time, effort and decision making was put into this final product. I agree, truly unreal!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 08, 2008, 09:30:33 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 08, 2008, 09:10:08 AM
It boggles my mind to think how much time, effort and decision making was put into this final product. I agree, truly unreal!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/hat.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 08, 2008, 10:37:22 AM
A(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/new1.gif) comic is in production "Outremer: The Saga of the Knights Templar"  by Stephen Dafoe & Bob Prodor to be released next month

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They are now taking pre-orders, and early purchasers will receive a signed and numbered copy of the first issue - limited to 1,000 copies.

http://www.templarhistory.com/outremer.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 08, 2008, 10:41:28 AM
I am thinking about ordering this publication.  ;)

It's at times like this when you can see the Almighty's influence in life....

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 08, 2008, 10:45:57 AM
I'm really liking this "Crusader Casual Apparel"  you came up with.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 08, 2008, 11:10:04 AM
according to most men that is not the most complex thing.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 08, 2008, 11:43:21 AM
You are absolutely correct in your statement Sister, the most complex thing, is trying to figure out what sheet of music you're playing on....... :P

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 08, 2008, 11:52:14 AM
Take no offense Lady De Pond, I believe that Warrior Monk really means to apply that statement to all of humanity's sisterhood.....the most wonderfully complex of all life's mysteries  :) ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 08, 2008, 12:05:55 PM
 ;D ;D didn't you know? even if you saw the sheet music I'm playing on you still wouldn't understand it.  :P :P :P

no offense taken brothers

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 08, 2008, 12:54:43 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 08, 2008, 12:05:55 PM
even if you saw the sheet music I'm playing on you still wouldn't understand it.

NO WAY!!!!
you can't possibly be serious
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 08, 2008, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 08, 2008, 12:05:55 PM
even if you saw the sheet music I'm playing on you still wouldn't understand it.  :P :P :P


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You're right...I don't.. :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 08, 2008, 01:35:33 PM
Rewind:  Templars in art

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 08, 2008, 01:46:56 PM
This is actually one of about 400 different Templar art shots I have collected for various things.... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 08, 2008, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 08, 2008, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 08, 2008, 12:05:55 PM
even if you saw the sheet music I'm playing on you still wouldn't understand it.  :P :P :P


(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b155/Metalrocker009/organ_blank_sheet_music_3.gif)

You're right...I don't.. :P

alright smarty cloth i didn't say it was blank
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 08, 2008, 02:15:01 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 08, 2008, 01:46:56 PM
This is actually one of about 400 different Templar art shots I have collected for various things.... ;)

Yes indeed my brother.  remember we used to have a bunch of them on the old thread.  Just thought I would start posting some of them from time to time. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 08, 2008, 02:55:16 PM
I like that idea Brother William....then we can all interpret/critique the works much like you did with the "Templar fallen in snow" piece.

1.) Is that the bearer?
2.) Wheres the protection for the bearer?
3.) Snow? European campaign perhaps?
4.) Has he survived the battle and this is where he falls?
5.) Could that be fellow brothers in the distance to his rescue or the enemy?
6.) Or it could possibly be "ME!" Laughing my holy hiney off face down in the snow at the the previous post by frere Cliff??

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 09, 2008, 09:20:17 AM
We could interpret/critique a few of them for sure


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 09, 2008, 09:47:08 AM
That is another awesome picture I didn't have. I add:

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 09, 2008, 10:06:43 AM
Thought with Sarah Palin's speech, I'd leave this:

Neither party expected of the war, the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the "book" and pray "God", and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must be that offenses come, then woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that terrorism is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both factions this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's a life time of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.



Thanks A. Lincoln for the idea! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 09, 2008, 10:34:46 AM


Deus lo Vult!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 09, 2008, 12:02:57 PM
Oops!  :o  ;) ;D

I can't wait for the Action Figures!!!!


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 09, 2008, 12:49:56 PM
 :D Rofl nice job on the pics
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 09, 2008, 01:05:53 PM
Brothers, although God's will seems clear to you and Lady Palin, with humility, may I remind you of God's restraint on the human interpretation of his will

Isaiah 55:8-9: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," says the Lord. "For as the heavens are higher than the Earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 09, 2008, 01:25:21 PM
Might I reply on my Brothers' behalf with:

KJB Romans 13:4

For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 09, 2008, 02:05:57 PM
An excellent and timely passage to share Warrior Monk and esteemed Council Member, it fortifies my spirit and bolsters my resolve!  :) ;) (er....with just a few minor adjustments)

My inspired mantra this evening at vespers will be:

Be afraid; for she beareth not the hatchet in vain: for she is the ministress of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

*(refer to current avatar for emphasis)*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 09, 2008, 02:10:38 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 09, 2008, 12:49:56 PM
:D Rofl nice job on the pics

I must confess that I do not possess the skills, nor can I take credit for the creation of the Palin masterpiece I posted.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 09, 2008, 02:11:47 PM
Yours bears the Latin Church sounds of an old addage:

"Hell hath no fury, like that of a woman surrounded by a man's world...."  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 09, 2008, 02:22:51 PM
that resonates a bit....but let's do justice to the original in it's entirety;

"Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned,"

(William Congreve, playwright/poet  1697)

p.s.  I've never been scorned
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 09, 2008, 02:34:03 PM
Because they've not lived to tell about it? :P ;) ;D

I may be opening a door here, but let us play six degrees of separation here, and see what I have uncovered:

Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 09, 2008, 02:22:51 PM
(William Congreve, playwright/poet  1697)

Congreve was born in Bardsey, West Yorkshire, England (near Leeds). His parents were William Congreve and his wife, Mary (née Browning); a sister was buried in London in 1672. He spent his childhood in Ireland, where his father, a Cavalier, had settled during the reign of Charles II. Congreve was educated at Trinity College in Dublin; there he met Jonathan Swift, who would be his friend for the remainder of his life. Upon graduation, he matriculated in the Middle Temple* in London to study law, but felt himself pulled toward literature, drama, and the fashionable life.

*The Honourable Society of the Middle Temple is one of the four Inns of Court exclusively entitled to call their members to the English Bar as barristers; the others being the Inner Temple, Gray's Inn and Lincoln's Inn. It is near the Royal Courts of Justice, within the City of London.

In the 13th century, the Inns of Court originated as hostels and schools for student lawyers. The Middle Temple is the western part of "The Temple", the headquarters of the Knights Templar until they were dissolved in 1312; the awe-inspiring Temple Church still stands as a "peculiar" (extra-diocesan) church of the Inner and Middle Temples.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 09, 2008, 03:08:50 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 09, 2008, 02:22:51 PM
  I've never been scorned

Never ever, never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, super-duper never ever???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 09, 2008, 03:35:28 PM
Brother William

just to be sure, I am defining scorn within the context (that of love/relationship) and the defintion that I believe Congreve attributed to the word

"to reject, refuse, or ignore with contempt or disdain " as opposed to "mock or jeer"

having said that;

No. Never. Ever. Ever.  Super-duper. A godly woman, such as myself, has only had 1 other relationship besides my sacred relationship with God.  I've only 1 husband and he has never, ever had the power or the motivation to behave in such a manner.   :) ;)  He is, in fact, a Saint.  ;D

Nice work bringing it back around Brother Warrior.  I noted that Congreve's father was a Cavalier but missed the reference to the Middle Temple (and would not of recognized it for what it was anyway...) Bravo.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 10, 2008, 07:52:06 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 09, 2008, 03:35:28 PM
Brother William
just to be sure, I am defining scorn within the context (that of love/relationship)

You meant dumped or blown off....ok ..gotcha!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 10, 2008, 08:07:43 AM
My Lord reminds me that he refused my first invitation (he was involved with another).....so I may stand corrected  :)

You know Brother William, I can't seem to remember a thing of my past lives since that exorcism...... ;) ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 10, 2008, 10:44:02 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 10, 2008, 08:07:43 AM
You know Brother William, I can't seem to remember a thing of my past lives since that exorcism...... ;) ;)

Thats quite alright my sister, as it is normal after a cleansing to forget undesirable events.




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 10, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
yes but remembering of undesired events also makes us who we are.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 10, 2008, 11:28:59 AM
thanks Brother William for removing the picture.....that just wasn't right  ;) :D :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 10, 2008, 11:49:24 AM
Sister Hatchet, What ever are you talking about...'a picture?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 10, 2008, 12:10:55 PM
must have been a brief unholy vision.....it happens when I eat fresh figs.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 10, 2008, 01:05:38 PM
ROFL!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 10, 2008, 06:12:28 PM
I thought I'd post this before leaving to train more of our brave warriors:

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 11, 2008, 07:32:27 AM
* Sister Hatchet spends the day in silent reflection *


Safe travels Professor Warrior.  Please send our heartfelt regards to your students.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 11, 2008, 09:02:43 AM
they may be gone but they are not forgetten nor shall they ever be.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 11, 2008, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 11, 2008, 07:32:27 AM
Please send our heartfelt regards to your students.

Thank you on their behalf, and I will.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 12, 2008, 02:00:24 PM
Sister Hatchet continues her silent prayers and meditations....now turning her attention to those in the path of the great storm.  She prays for the intercession of powerful Holy Mary... may our brethren Mikael of Aragon and Hospitaller as well as the pilgrims and families of that region be led to safety with as little loss to life and property as possible. 

*lights candles and incense and returns to vespers*

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/ginoj/Oct09023.jpg)

*you may be getting worried just how unnaturally devout S.H. has been.....because she hasn't had a drink in 2 days!*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 12, 2008, 02:07:40 PM
ff don't forget also the service men and woman like our police and firemen
they will be in my prayers also.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 12, 2008, 06:49:42 PM
To all our Texas Brethren;

Stay safe lads, and may you and all the pilgrims of your Preceptories be protected in the coming times and seen through all the demands and hardships that events like these bring.

Deus vult!

Our prayers are with you.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 15, 2008, 07:29:45 AM
My Great Great Great Great Grandmother, Molly, used to say that a lull in the conversation meant the Holy Spirit was amongst us.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 15, 2008, 12:54:15 PM
I got what amounted to a bit of a drizzle all weekend. The Country of Texas is vast, and I'm in it's northernmost reaches, so the mongrel storm named Ike didn't have the stamina to push so far inland.

It got turned back like the Moors during the Reconquista!   ;D

(Templar Comicbook?!?!?!?  I'm all over it!!!!)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 15, 2008, 01:57:07 PM
glad to here the storm didn't reach you brother Mikael
i would have been happy if he had made a turn and went back out toward where he came from
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 16, 2008, 07:52:10 AM
Good to hear that our Iberian Paladin of the Temple has weathered "Mother" nature's worst. Now to find out if our Brother Hospitaller was equally as lucky during last week's events of natural design.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 16, 2008, 08:18:39 AM
I'll remember to email him when I get home tonight and check on him.   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 16, 2008, 09:39:50 AM
Believe it or not, we got a taste of it here in Indiana Sunday.  60mph + winds put a hurtin on us as there are still people without electricity. 

Northern Indiana had rivers breached and communities flooded out.  Ohio & Illinois got it real bad too.  We were suppose to attend the Ohio Ren faire on Sunday and called it off because of it.

I then spent most of the day Monday cleaning up debri from it.  It was something eles (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/shocked3.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Ironhead on September 16, 2008, 10:20:19 AM
I was at the Ohio faire this past weekend.  On Sunday I saw 2 trees go down in the camp area and take out at least one car.  One of the bridges was closed by 2 PM, the Aleing Knight pub was closed somwtime between 3 and 4.  After the 4 PM chess match the cast were told to go to the gate "where it's safest" and shortly after that the faire closed.  As I drove away, I saw that a large section of the outer fence had been knocked down as well as the big sign by the highway.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 16, 2008, 11:55:28 AM
and to think neither wind or cold kept me from fest. Sir Ironhead does that mean a hurricane couldn't keep you from the faire?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 16, 2008, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Sir Ironhead on September 16, 2008, 10:20:19 AM
I was at the Ohio faire this past weekend.  On Sunday I saw 2 trees go down in the camp area and take out at least one car.  One of the bridges was closed by 2 PM, the Aleing Knight pub was closed somwtime between 3 and 4.  After the 4 PM chess match the cast were told to go to the gate "where it's safest" and shortly after that the faire closed.  As I drove away, I saw that a large section of the outer fence had been knocked down as well as the big sign by the highway.

Unreal, It ripped the sign down at the entrance too.  I also heard some trees went down on St. Rt. 73 and had traffic at a stand still as I reading most of the horror stories over on the Ohio thread.

It was a tough call for as we was ready to go in the morning. We were like "Well Sir Joseph, we got some good winds for the banners this morning!" then a gust of wind came through, snapped the top of maple tree off not to mention all the leaves and branches that were already saturating my yard & driveway.

Then it was "I don't know if this such a good idea my brother....I think maybe....um... we should try and go at another time" we both agreed without hesitation.  Maybe if the faire was closer to the fortress

Now we got  this massive rain storm on the radar thats right behind us too (which actually ended up heading north and flooded the northern part of the state as well as parts of Illinois & Chicago). I know we made a good call and I'm really glad to hear nobody got hurt over there.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 16, 2008, 03:15:12 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/sentry-1.jpg)

The New Knighthood
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 16, 2008, 03:33:57 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/huzzah.png) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icn___clap.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/notworthy.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/grinning-smiley-004.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/occasion14.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Ironhead on September 16, 2008, 04:25:25 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 16, 2008, 11:55:28 AM
and to think neither wind or cold kept me from fest. Sir Ironhead does that mean a hurricane couldn't keep you from the faire?

Well I'm from Iowa, so 150 mph winds are what we would call an average tornado.  An EF5, like the one that went by 5 miles north of my mothers house, has winds greater than 300 mph.  Since I wear tall bboots, as long as the water gets no higher than thigh deep I'm cool  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 16, 2008, 07:51:09 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 16, 2008, 03:15:12 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/sentry-1.jpg)

The New Knighthood

Such an imposing group, none to be trifled with. 

Is it just me or is Brother William making a suggestive gesture?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 16, 2008, 08:05:14 PM
Brother William and Sir Ironhead- certainly you both have the blessings of Holy Mary Mother of God and the protection of all her angles, archangles, prophets, evangelists, apostles, martyrs, confessors and virgins (what?) to have emerged from such weather tribulations unscathed.  For this we all rejoice. 

*Sister Hatchet raises her communion chalice in your and Her honor ...GLUP*

Sir Ironhead....what a pleasure to see you on this thread..a welcome representation of the midwestern realms.

Brother William....my Lord traveled through South Bend on his way North.  He sent me word that everyone in IN now has duck ponds in their yards.  He said the ducks are quite prolific.  The 11th plague perhaps?

Ave maria!



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 16, 2008, 09:24:22 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 16, 2008, 07:51:09 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 16, 2008, 03:15:12 PM
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The New Knighthood
Is it just me or is Brother William making a suggestive gesture?

"This is my weapon, this is my sword, one is for killing, the other's for...er...when I am bored!"

Damned if we don't look imposing!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 16, 2008, 09:35:42 PM
I suspect the above verse (supplied by Brother Mikael) and accompanying gesture (demonstrated by Brother William) is some sort of secret Templar ritual.  The... secret handshake

;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2008, 06:44:04 AM
I see someone has been tipping the chalice full of a little sacrilegious juice...... ;) :P

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 17, 2008, 07:38:04 AM
rofl yall nearly made my monitor get a cinamon swirl bath
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2008, 08:14:27 AM
All helmeted up, because the flying heretical comments!!! ;)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 17, 2008, 08:25:15 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 17, 2008, 08:14:27 AM
All helmeted up, because the flying heretic comments!!! ;)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/3.jpg)

I'm obviously marching off to do penance (again!).   ::)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 17, 2008, 08:35:56 AM
Rofl now yall done made me forget what i'm suposed to be doing
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 17, 2008, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 16, 2008, 09:35:42 PM
I suspect the above verse (supplied by Brother Mikael) and accompanying gesture (demonstrated by Brother William) is some sort of secret Templar ritual.  The... secret handshake

It ain't no secret handshake missy!!  ;D

Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 16, 2008, 07:51:09 PM
Is it just me or is Brother William making a suggestive gesture?

Nothing gets by you miSister.  It is indeed a gesture which strikes fear into minds of the infidel and hot flashes to maidens in waiting!  ;) ;D

Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 16, 2008, 08:05:14 PM
Brother William....my Lord traveled through South Bend on his way North. 

Curious, Did he jump on a boat on Lake Michigan?? Because thats the only thing due north of South Bend.

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 17, 2008, 08:14:27 AM
All helmeted up, because the flying heretic comments!!! ;)

Did I miss a post somewhere??  I wasn't briefed... flying heretic's??? 

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2008, 10:23:34 AM
My apologies Brother, I meant it to say "heretical", I am after all a Warrior Monk, and not an English/Grammer teacher. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 17, 2008, 10:45:36 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 17, 2008, 10:23:34 AM
My apologies Brother, I meant it to say "heretical", I am after all a Warrior Monk, and not an English/Grammer teacher. ;)

Understood completely my brother. I apologize as I could not make the connection. That makes two of us as one knows I am also a Warrior Monk *Deus Vult!* and not that of an English/Grammer student nor a teacher ..Deus lo Vult! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2008, 10:55:05 AM
Keep em straight Brother:

Deus vult (Latin, God wills it) was the cry of the people at the declaration of the First Crusade by Pope Urban II at the Council of Clermont in 1095. The phrase appears variously as deus vult, (Classical Latin) dieu le veut, (French) deus lo vult (medieval Vulgar Latin)  :o ;), etc.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 17, 2008, 11:16:03 AM
Deus lo Vult

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2008, 11:37:46 AM
I second your comment!

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(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/dfc08801e0.jpg)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 17, 2008, 12:58:34 PM
I love it when you guys talk vulgar.   ;) :D

Just curious...why it is that words like sacrilegious and heretical are flung around when I make a comment that might be interpreted as slightly irreverent....when Brother Mikael's prose could be construed as equally impious?

In fact, crotch-grabbing has a well documented history...

The crotch grab goes back at least to the pre-Christian Roman era and is closely associated with another superstition called the "evil eye"—the belief that a covetous person can harm you, your children, or your possessions by gazing at you. Cultural anthropologists conjecture that men would try to block such pernicious beams by shielding their genitals, thus protecting their most valued asset: the future fruit of their loins. It's the seat of fertility. Over the centuries, the practice shifted. Men covered their generative organs not only to defend against direct malevolence but also in the presence of anything ominous, like a funeral procession.

Brother William...not due North, Quebec City.

and finally, I have seen flying heretics....brace yourselves (or cover your you-know-whats)

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I'll behave now.  Just stirring up the pot to improve ratings.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2008, 01:20:04 PM
OMG!  :o :P


Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 17, 2008, 12:58:34 PM
In fact, crotch-grabbing has a well documented history...

The crotch grab goes back at least to the pre-Christian Roman era and is closely associated with another superstition called the "evil eye"—the belief that a covetous person can harm you, your children, or your possessions by gazing at you. Cultural anthropologists conjecture that men would try to block such pernicious beams by shielding their genitals, thus protecting their most valued asset: the future fruit of their loins. It's the seat of fertility. Over the centuries, the practice shifted. Men covered their generative organs not only to defend against direct malevolence but also in the presence of anything ominous, like a funeral procession.



Not going there....... ;)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 17, 2008, 01:27:51 PM
hmmmm i do believe the brothers minds are in the gutter today
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 17, 2008, 01:36:06 PM
Militissa....before you are barraged with protests....in defense of the Brothers, they are, as always, behaving as brave and Godly men.

It is I....backsliding from time to time is to be expected. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 17, 2008, 01:45:09 PM
O.k. FF
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2008, 02:01:57 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 17, 2008, 02:25:13 PM
rofl one warrior whos the flame for i've been a good girl
two brother marcus i think youve been sleeping on the post.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2008, 02:40:01 PM
They've always been an equal opportunity cleanser, but if you're feeling the least bit quilty........ ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 17, 2008, 02:48:48 PM
 ;D no cleasing needed here.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 17, 2008, 02:57:32 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 17, 2008, 02:25:13 PM
two brother marcus i think youve been sleeping on the post.

TWO Sister ASHley, what do mean accusing me of sleeping on post ?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 17, 2008, 03:06:29 PM
i was only saying i don't think you've been following the post very closely brother
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 17, 2008, 03:13:16 PM
I believe that I have Sister ASHley. It is you that needs to observe the previous post before making such accusations against a soldier of God!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2008, 03:18:52 PM
http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/?action=view&current=parchment.jpg
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 17, 2008, 03:25:34 PM
 :P I've been paying attention
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 17, 2008, 03:41:13 PM
Oh Lord, it's happening again.

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*dips quill in ink and prepares to begin petition*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2008, 03:43:36 PM
Nicely played!! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 17, 2008, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 17, 2008, 03:18:52 PM
http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/?action=view&current=parchment.jpg

After much reflection, I'm wondering how it ended up in TX to begin with. Not like this is the most centrally located faire for all parties concerned.   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 17, 2008, 10:15:09 PM
think he just wanted everyone to drive down for a visit
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2008, 07:03:12 AM
I honest don't remember how we came to that. Folks were in KS, AL, TX, and IN. Now we have folks in GA and IN as well.... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2008, 07:41:36 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 17, 2008, 03:18:52 PM
http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/?action=view&current=parchment.jpg

With the above mentioned petition, I have also enclosed this map for us to come to some solution.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/MAP.jpg
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2008, 08:05:34 AM
Sad news: This figure's release date has been pushed back until later in the year now. Not September as it was posted before.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/ages2.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/untitled-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 18, 2008, 08:16:31 AM
darn i so wanted to see that one
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 09:50:17 AM
Reminder:

History Channel International

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Monday, September 22, 2008

8-10pm -- The Templar Code -
For nearly two centuries, the Knights Templar were the medieval
world's most powerful order, a fearsome and unstoppable Crusader
militia. Then came accusations of unspeakable crimes. Who were the
Templars, really? How did they become so powerful, so fast, and why
did they fall just as quickly? Evidence hints that the Templars
excavated under Jerusalem's Temple of Solomon. What did they find
there? Was it, as The Da Vinci Code suggests, the true identity of the
Holy Grail--the bloodline of Christ? Or an unimaginable treasure,
documented in the Dead Sea Scrolls, buried 1,000 years before Christ's
birth? We explore the Templar's origin, how they lived, trained,
fought and became a medieval world power, and the suspicious
circumstances behind their sudden downfall. Plus, we reveal why these
warriors, dead for seven centuries, and their treasure still populate
Hollywood blockbusters. Narrated by Ed Herrmann and featuring
preeminent Templar authors.



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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2008, 09:59:05 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 09:50:17 AM
Reminder:

History Channel International

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/HCI.jpg)

Monday, September 22, 2008

8-10pm -- The Templar Code -
For nearly two centuries, the Knights Templar were the medieval
world's most powerful order, a fearsome and unstoppable Crusader
militia.

Just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside!   ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 10:14:50 AM
Indeed it does
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 18, 2008, 10:15:15 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 18, 2008, 09:59:05 AM


Just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside!   ;D ;)
[/quote]

hmmmm are you trying to grow a bear rug on the inside
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 10:22:55 AM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on September 17, 2008, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 17, 2008, 03:18:52 PM
http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/?action=view&current=parchment.jpg

After much reflection, I'm wondering how it ended up in TX to begin with. Not like this is the most centrally located faire for all parties concerned.   ;D

I always thought it was One, that you & Hospitaller who resides there now. Two, The Texas Renaissance Faire is one of the largest if not coolest faires in the world. Three, I was personally wanting to go there, and will eventually one of theses days! 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2008, 10:23:58 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 18, 2008, 10:15:15 AM
hmmmm are you trying to grow a bear rug on the inside

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/sprigmom/smilies/huh.gif)....aaaahhhhh....no.


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 18, 2008, 07:41:36 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 17, 2008, 03:18:52 PM
http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/?action=view&current=parchment.jpg

With the above mentioned petition, I have also enclosed this map for us to come to some solution.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/MAP.jpg

I 'am currently going to suggest Tennessee

www.tnrenfest.com
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 10:35:32 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 18, 2008, 10:23:58 AM
(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn257/rachelellenspics/senseofhumorinstall.gif)

Good luck with that!  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/beat_deadhorse.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2008, 10:38:32 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 10:31:30 AM
I 'am currently going to suggest Tennessee

www.tnrenfest.com

I like this choice, and the dates give us some reaction/planning time.


Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 10:35:32 AM
Good luck with that!  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/beat_deadhorse.gif)

Roflmao! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 18, 2008, 10:45:48 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 10:35:32 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 18, 2008, 10:23:58 AM
(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn257/rachelellenspics/senseofhumorinstall.gif)

Good luck with that!  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/beat_deadhorse.gif)

are you saying you don't like my sence of humor?

hmmm tenn. not tooo far a drive
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 18, 2008, 11:02:09 AM
Tennessee works for me, too!!!

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll51/TexasTemplar/templars.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2008, 11:55:39 AM
-Cost of gas per/gallon to get to work: 4.20

-Cost of internet per month: 14.90

-Cost of having Frere Mikael make a comment picture like the one posted above: PRICELESS!

I have to print this out and hang it at work!!!!!


Thanks Frere Mikael ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 01:38:37 PM
I humbly agree!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2008, 01:39:16 PM
1ST FLYER OUT!!!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TRF.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 01:45:18 PM
Good looking 1st addition flyer if I ever did see one!

Maybe even try and shoot for Memorial Day Weekend??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2008, 01:46:51 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 18, 2008, 01:52:47 PM
I was thinking Memorial Day weekend, myself. Have to run it by Her Majesty.   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
So it has been preached........

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/willofg.jpg
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 18, 2008, 01:57:20 PM
I look forward to the badass pictures.   :)


the word of god is such a mystery to me.  What's all this about breast implants?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 02:01:49 PM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on September 18, 2008, 01:52:47 PM
Have to run it by Her Majesty.   ;D

I must do the Same here frere Mikael. I will also have to get my hands on a 2009 calender as well, just to verify that I'm NOT working that Saturday.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 02:04:23 PM
Allow me my brother..

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 18, 2008, 02:10:20 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 18, 2008, 01:57:20 PM
  What's all this about breast implants?

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2008, 02:13:30 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 18, 2008, 01:57:20 PM
the word of god is such a mystery to me.  What's all this about breast implants?


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 18, 2008, 02:16:51 PM
rofl has ff fallen off the wagon again
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 18, 2008, 02:59:42 PM
LOL Lady de Pond! ;D  Good one.

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/wagonwheel.png)

Which wagon are you referring to?  I have enough for my own wagon train.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2008, 03:19:42 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 18, 2008, 02:16:51 PM
has ff fallen off the wagon again

She didn't fall off.........she jumped!
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Ironhead on September 18, 2008, 03:37:17 PM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on September 18, 2008, 01:52:47 PM
I was thinking Memorial Day weekend, myself. Have to run it by Her Majesty.   ;D

You're going to have Templar Knights gathering at the same place and time as the Ettes and Teers?  Sounds like fun.  I wonder how many knights will get corrupted and how many Ettes or Teers will be saved.  Not me, though, I'm perfectly happy going to hell  ;D.  I will, however, pack an extra long lightning rod.  Don't need my clothes getting scorched.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 18, 2008, 05:56:44 PM
hoy vie

temps and ettes and teers wonders how many ettes and teers they gonna cleans
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 19, 2008, 10:13:27 AM
We have preliminary approval for Frere Mikael and clan to deploy on the TN Crusade. Memorial Day weekend is looking to be the most promising.   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 19, 2008, 01:56:08 PM
This is good news indeed. We usually make the opening day of GARF in April, and then look for another date to attend. Instead it looks like we'll be headed to the TNRF in 2009!! (Memorial day!)  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 19, 2008, 02:16:15 PM
I still attending Garf maybe opening weekend maybe not. I'll try tnn for memorial day weekend
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 19, 2008, 05:35:37 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 19, 2008, 06:37:10 PM
Rofl warrior this time don't such a snob  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 19, 2008, 07:23:24 PM
*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 19, 2008, 07:23:57 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 19, 2008, 06:37:10 PM
warrior this time don't such a snob  :P

Lady ASHley, if I remember events correctly, I had no idea who I was looking for at GARF this past season. You on the other hand, distinctly said you recognized me even at a distance in my divinely ordained battle wear, while I escorted a young Princess.
Before an inquisitorial board is convened, who then, in the above mentioned scenario would seem to be as you so eloquently phrased it; "the Snob"?

For I fear it may be too late, as my Brother is already starting court preparations.... ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 19, 2008, 07:27:16 PM
Yeeep, just thought it might be a good idea to start gathering up a few supplies ahead of time.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 19, 2008, 07:43:39 PM
So the question posed to Lady ASHley would now be:

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 19, 2008, 09:21:11 PM
 :P I'm not a snob perhaps i'm somewhat shy in persons
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 20, 2008, 08:58:55 AM
Well.......that makes it all better...

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 20, 2008, 10:46:26 AM
Lady De Pond....perhaps you just weren't wearing the "correctly" colored garb.  Color blindness is primarily a "Y" deficiency (one of the many of note...but beyond he scope of this post)   ;) ;). 


As an aside, I was discussing with my Lord the purchase of new garb for myself this season (GO FIGURE....we're back to the sterotypical "X" characteristics) and he said, "Let me guess, you want white robes with a big red cross".  To quote WM, I responded, "Ahhhhh, no.".  Not exactly.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 20, 2008, 11:11:25 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 20, 2008, 10:46:26 AM
  Color blindness is primarily a "Y" deficiency (one of the many of note...but beyond he scope of this post)   ;) ;). 


I don't see what you're talking about. ;) Everything is spelled out clearly in red and white!


Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 20, 2008, 10:46:26 AM
As an aside, I was discussing with my Lord   the purchase of new garb for myself this season (GO FIGURE....we're back to the sterotypical "X" characteristics) and he said, "Let me guess, you want white robes with a big red cross".  To quote WM, I responded, "Ahhhhh, no.".  Not exactly.

Please do tell "your Lord" (your words not mine) ;) :P, that should he be able to attend GARF in the Year of Our Lord two thousand and nine, that I shall have on hand a complete set of Templar apparel for him, should he so chose to outfit himself. Nothing says "Badass" like a good set of divinely ordained battle apparel!*


And hey! I resemble that remark!!! But Sister, overcoming your denial will be the first step in your recovery/redemption.... :P ;D



* ref: Reply #896 on: September 19, 2008, 07:23:57 PM
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 20, 2008, 01:54:03 PM
Quote
Please do tell your Lord, that should he be able to attend GARF in the Year of Our Lord two thousand and nine, that I shall have on hand a complete set of Templar apparel for him, should he so chose to outfit himself. Nothing says "Badass" like a good set of divinely ordained battle apparel!*

Many thanks for such a generous offer.  I will deliver the message and we will see what the good Lord wills for GARF.  :)

And I think that you and the rest of the esteemed Council will find my "recovery/redemption" coming along very well. 

As you know, any devout Sister invokes the name of the Lord several times a day.  For example;

1. Supplication.       "Oh Lord, could I please have a night out with the Sisters"

2.  Praise         "Oh my Lord! You played with the sires, scrubbed the scullery floor and hung a load of laundry while I was at bible study!"

3.  Thanksgiving      "Lord... I look good".

4.  Worship         "Oh Lord, YES, Oh Lord, Oh Lord......(repeat)"

Ave Maria!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 20, 2008, 02:04:37 PM
(http://www.michaelchampion.net/apparel.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 20, 2008, 02:33:33 PM
Sister Hatchet.........I don't know what to say......lol! ;)


Frere Mikael, I can only offer a 100%, loud and thunderous.....(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t65/sunangel1776az/amen.gif).....and well done! My newest wallpaper.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 21, 2008, 04:23:08 PM
Templar...

You don't have to say a word....your DOBA says it ALL!   :D :D

Other examples of the popularity of Divinely Ordained Battle Apparel through the ages...

"Nothing gets between me and my DOBA"

"Maybe he's born with it, maybe it's DOBA"

"Got DOBA?"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 21, 2008, 08:58:26 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 21, 2008, 04:23:08 PM
"Nothing gets between me and my DOBA"


That's actually a part of the Rule that governs this very statement. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 21, 2008, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 21, 2008, 04:23:08 PM


"Maybe he's born with it, maybe it's DOBA"

"Got DOBA?"


Rofl
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 22, 2008, 11:35:06 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 21, 2008, 04:23:08 PM
You don't have to say a word....your DOBA says it ALL!   :D :D

Other examples of the popularity of Divinely Ordained Battle Apparel through the ages...


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/DOBA.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 22, 2008, 12:25:03 PM
Rofl every time you post that i think of maybelline makeup
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 22, 2008, 01:18:05 PM

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/DOBA.jpg)


I'd wager that all the young ladies of the court would of had that poster up on their bedchamber wall.....

If one listened closely, they could be heard whispering....."Did you get your 1139 DOBA (divinely obsequious bass paychecks) calendar yet? *giggle giggle* Robert de Craon is on the cover *squeals* and you must see Septembris, HE is divine! *more titters* 

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 22, 2008, 01:19:34 PM
Well, if we're talking calendars, now, allow me to submit Mr. December...   :D

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll51/TexasTemplar/DOBA.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 22, 2008, 01:31:28 PM
Whoosh, thud.  *that's the sound of ladies swooning over December*

Other DOBA material?

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/segwayTemplar.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 22, 2008, 01:42:46 PM
only fitting caption for this pic "warrior Monk the later years"
yeah yeah i know off to do pentance couldn't resist
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 22, 2008, 01:54:49 PM
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll51/TexasTemplar/senior.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 22, 2008, 08:31:53 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/template.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 22, 2008, 08:39:22 PM
...we are SOOOO out of control...    ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 22, 2008, 08:40:43 PM
My other half, was saying who'd have thought a spontaneous phrase will draw so much out....? :o ;) ;D


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/DOBAcatelog.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 22, 2008, 09:02:10 PM
better....don't you mean better half?   ;)

Scott and I have both been laughing looking at the posts of the last few days...fun.  Gramercy.

Blessings of the Autumnal Equinox to all....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 23, 2008, 08:20:10 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 22, 2008, 08:40:43 PM
My other half, was saying who'd have thought a spontaneous phrase will draw so much out....? :o ;) ;D


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/DOBAcatelog.jpg)


hmmmm how long did it take to get dressed though
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 23, 2008, 08:41:33 AM
rofl poor brother Mikael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 23, 2008, 12:07:34 PM
don't look at me I'll sit that one out
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 23, 2008, 02:12:30 PM
we may need to do some cleansing over brother Marcus's way
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 23, 2008, 02:29:11 PM
Straighten up boys.....your knuckles are dragging on the ground again. 

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 23, 2008, 02:47:12 PM
To be fair, I would recommend their removal, before we see the likes of our "Y" counterparts posted in such fashion.

I appologize to the Sisters of the thread for any offense I may have given during the past few days' exchanges.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Templar_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 23, 2008, 03:09:09 PM
I'm not offended just hoping thats not what your planning to wear under your cloaks
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 23, 2008, 03:49:33 PM
I hope I didn't offend anyone with my attempt to be funny (or rather, my act of only trying to make myself laugh). I had no intentions of posting anything that supported the objectification of women. Since having my daughter, I've really started seeing the world through new eyes, and have really become disgusted with the way our society portrays women, with the so-called rolemodels that the media tries to foust on families.

One of the personal changes that I went through after the birth of my daughter was the sudden interest in knights. Prior to that time, in any of my reading, gaming, etc. I was always more attracted to characters that were thieves, rogues, those that victimized others for personal gain, and those were the characters I played in any games where I could create my own persona. But after our daughter was born, I started looking at making myself a better man, a father that my daughter would be proud of. That's when I really started developing an interest in knights, in codes of chivarly and how those romanticized patterns of behavior really could be applied to modern day behavior, in the interest of making me someone better than what I was. Someone who was courteous and respectful of women, someone who stood for higher ideals and morals, etc. Anyway, by posting that, I backslid and fell short of the personal improvement goals I've been striving for, and I apologize.

And in closing, I have to say that I started strength training on my arm, working with weights, which increased my pain (all normal at this point), meaning that I'm still taking the pain pills and am under the effects of them at this time. So in reference to this chatty post and the whole 'I Love You, Man' tone of it, all I can say is...

...flipping meds, man!!!

I respect each of you and consider you friends. I'm going to go off now and drool in a corner.   :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 23, 2008, 04:06:22 PM
Brother Mikael

I do hope you know that I modified my last post (before reading your response).  In reflection I realized that although my buttons were pushed, my words were harsh. It is good to dialogue for without it we would not of had the opportunity to know you better. 

That magical artifact of yours (is it a tooth?) must give you some high charisma bonuses. You also made your diplomacy role. ;) :D
(don't I sound like a geek!)

I take my leave now as the young sires are using carrots as weapons.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on September 23, 2008, 07:20:51 PM
Brother Mikael,

I have to girls of my own and I know how you feel. I think in posting the reply that you did everyone will understand that it was one of those times people do something before they really think about what their doing or saying. Don't feel bad about it I'm sure with what you've said not we'll all understand. I know that I do.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 23, 2008, 07:50:21 PM
I didn't want to have to do this, but you all forced me to play my card......

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TemplarCard.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 24, 2008, 08:10:45 AM
anyone got one with a sister hatchet on it and under it says puts the unruley back in line  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 24, 2008, 11:42:26 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 24, 2008, 08:10:45 AM
sister hatchet puts the unruley back in line  ;D

You just don't know....... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 24, 2008, 12:45:18 PM
what can i say i'm good
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 24, 2008, 08:29:48 PM
Arn bloopers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEAUl_Dwwtc


I'm sensing a new version of Hattin: (second movie of the Arn series)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X0DTj-a6wE
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 25, 2008, 08:51:17 AM
are they going to release arn to theaters in the Us.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 25, 2008, 09:06:06 AM
No release dates at this time, and the first movie has been out since 25 December 2007.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 25, 2008, 09:28:02 AM
ok doka i still want to see it. guess i'm gonna have to try to locate the dvd
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 25, 2008, 10:05:42 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/Crusader_vs_muslim.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 25, 2008, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 25, 2008, 09:28:02 AM
guess i'm gonna have to try to locate the dvd

Keep us in the loop, and let us know how that works out won't ya?  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 25, 2008, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 25, 2008, 10:05:42 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/Crusader_vs_muslim.jpg)

I got this book.   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 25, 2008, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 25, 2008, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 25, 2008, 09:28:02 AM
guess i'm gonna have to try to locate the dvd

Keep us in the loop, and let us know how that works out won't ya?  ;D
ofcourse
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 26, 2008, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on September 25, 2008, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 25, 2008, 10:05:42 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/Crusader_vs_muslim.jpg)

I got this book.   ;D

What exact book is that Fra Mikael?  
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 26, 2008, 01:18:26 PM
Crusades: The Illustrated History by Thomas F. Madden
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 26, 2008, 01:39:32 PM
 I'm also thinking this would look good as a design on a Hawaiian type shirt.
Rofl what templar Hawaiian print pattern 1.0
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 26, 2008, 02:33:51 PM
Sister Hatchet, fun vacuum here.

Love the card you played Warrior Monk.  I saved.  +30 gender modifier .

A bloody peaceful and blessed weekend to all!  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 26, 2008, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 26, 2008, 02:33:51 PM
I saved.  +30 gender modifier .

Shucks....I forgot about that!  :P Especially when coupled with the  +5 Hormones of Invincibility

In most cases, a formidable combination. ;) ;D


Most "Y" classes who've encounter such character classes have not lived to tell about it.... :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 27, 2008, 06:07:47 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/d998f91870e33365ac3d859715e8a076.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 28, 2008, 08:54:33 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/croisades.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 28, 2008, 01:54:33 PM
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Goddess/penthesilealeadingAmazons-1460.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 28, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Cross Dressers. :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 28, 2008, 06:40:53 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/laughing-smiley-001.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 28, 2008, 07:23:52 PM
I second Brother William's sentiments.  Very good.

Or, one could say, dressed to kill

(oops, wrong thread)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 28, 2008, 08:21:35 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templar2--maxweb.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarsergeant--maxweb.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 07:23:35 AM
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Goddess/Held_by_Honorprintpic72.jpg)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 29, 2008, 07:32:03 AM
Yes, more clear cut on the gender issue with that one......lol! ;)

I'll raise you a laugh this morning then...

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/BRFMO.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 07:40:35 AM
Brothers of the Renforums' Military Orders.....free from vanity, egotism, boastfulness, and great pretensions    ;) :P

(Of course, I wish I had the technology to promote myself...it would be insufferable)   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 29, 2008, 07:55:30 AM
Ouch!  :o  ;)  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 08:49:27 AM
Look Warrior Monk, it's just a flesh wound!  :D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 29, 2008, 10:18:57 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/woman.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 29, 2008, 10:49:19 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 08:49:27 AM
Look Warrior Monk, it's just a flesh wound!  :D ;D

Maybe if was just vanity, but with the addition of egotism, boastfulness, and great pretensions..Ouch indeed!

Insert Image

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/273.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 11:42:54 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 29, 2008, 10:49:19 AM
Maybe if was just vanity, but with the addition of egotism, boastfulness, and great pretensions..Ouch indeed!

Perhaps I was a bit too wordy....regardless, I believe a touché is in order.  *limping* 

Is that an old end-of-grade test booklet of yours Warrior Monk?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 29, 2008, 11:48:47 AM
It's one of the first lessons in Warrior Monk Social/Spiritual/Mental Elitism 101.   :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 29, 2008, 01:07:44 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 29, 2008, 10:18:57 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/woman.jpg)


:o :o :o :o :o :o
he didn't just go there
someone bring me the fire i know where we can get some wood(from a bridge that needs burning)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 29, 2008, 02:05:34 PM
Bring it Sister.... :P ;) ;D

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/shining2a.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 29, 2008, 02:10:59 PM
rofl with marshmellows and smores
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 02:13:32 PM
now, now Militissa....you can put that torch down.  We're just sparring.  :) :D ;) ;D

WM, could you please turn that off, it hurts my eyes.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 29, 2008, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 29, 2008, 02:05:34 PM
Bring it Sister.... :P ;) ;D

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/shining2a.jpg)


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/24.gif)  Yeah..Bring it Sister (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/bud.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/box2.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/gun.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/nunu.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/boxe.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/kngt.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 29, 2008, 02:19:25 PM
Rofl alright i won't torch warrior can we still have a bon fire and burn the bridge
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 29, 2008, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 02:13:32 PM
WM, could you please turn that off, it hurts my eyes.

"clap on....clap....."

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s245/CDShep66/Smileys/Encouragement/clap.gif)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/shining2a1.jpg)


Sorry, can't turn it all the way down.....it's a natural occurrence.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 03:01:55 PM
I understand and have seen it before.  It's that paladin thing all the Warrior Brothers have....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/paladin-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 29, 2008, 03:23:41 PM
For Sister Hatchet's astute diagnosis of the event, she is here by awarded the thread's first:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TemplarTrophy-1.jpg)

sn#0001



Vicar of Christ warning: the above presented award has been known to cause covetous reactions amongst pilgrims and less disciplined folks who aren't Warrior Monks, Warrior Nuns, Crusaders, and defenders of faith, take care in its' display and pageantry.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 29, 2008, 03:33:17 PM
ewwwwww nice reward ff
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 29, 2008, 03:44:20 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/0dbba9e618a9.gif)(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/0dbba9e618a9.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 29, 2008, 03:33:17 PM
ewwwwww nice reward ff

hands off my award Militissa (I hear coveting in your tone)  ;) ;)

My duties prevent me from composing my acceptance speech at this time.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 29, 2008, 07:19:22 PM
there is a difference between coventing and admiring.
admiring is simply looking and saying hey thats nice
coventing(which i didn't)would be going hey how do i get one of those

now i might go hmmmm haven't seen one in femine form do they have one of them in stock
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 08:26:38 PM
this was the best I could find for you Lady De Pond

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/2725_G.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 29, 2008, 08:51:49 PM
that sword is almost as big as she is
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 09:08:16 PM
Something is usually way out of proportion in the female representations...I prefer it to be the weapon   >:( ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 09:28:10 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 29, 2008, 03:23:41 PM
For Sister Hatchet's astute diagnosis of the event, she is here by awarded the thread's first:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TemplarTrophy-1.jpg)

First I'd like to thank the Council for this great honor and demonstration of continued expansiveness.

On behalf of all the brave and indefatigable Warrior Sisters who love and defend themselves and one another, their men, their children1 and their God, I humbly accept this Vicar of Christ.  I trust that God will reveal to me the time to pass along this commendation to another worthy defender of the faith. *sob, sniffle...too overwhelmed to speak*

1. Also includes beloved animals and familiars
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 30, 2008, 11:29:01 AM
After further review, we rescind the award SN001 to Sister Hatchet, on the grounds that she does not meet the requirements for a Templar trophy. The reason is "Y". That and the fact of a casual "passing off" of such a renowned recognition.
But not in any way to diminish the recognition for her many accomplishments on this thread, we now award her the following "Boudicca trophy".

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Boudiccatrophy.jpg)

SN001 Templar trophy is now put in the thread museum, and SN002 and 003 are awarded to Fra's William and Mikael respectively for the above and beyond approach to this thread.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TemplarTrophy-1.jpg)
SN002,003

Sister ASHley, we're working on yours, but in light of your recent "inflamed" suggestions, we're having a hard time choosing the level of recognition....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 30, 2008, 11:44:26 AM
Sister ASHley, we're working on yours, but in light of your recent "inflamed" suggestions, we're having a hard time choosing the level of recognition....

I am honored you are ranking me so high you don't know where to rank me
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 30, 2008, 01:24:31 PM
WHAT   >:(

Sister Hatchet was unavailable for comment after being stripped of the renowned VICAR OF CHRIST award (SN001).  Allegedly celebrating her recent accomplishment in an undisclosed Southern Isle location, her publicist just released the following statement:


"...of course Sister Hatchet is shocked, well, we ALL are quite frankly.  For the Council to make such a fickle and ingenuous show of support and then rescind?  It's unsettling.  Obviously a political move.  And just to clarify, I am certain that Sister Hatchet took this award quite seriously and viewed it as a "thread ritual". A commendation to be thoughtfully bestowed on other defenders of the faith who have demonstrated stroking of the Y ego above and beyond the call of duty. Casual passing off?  Never.  When have you ever seen that woman taking something casually?"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 30, 2008, 01:53:15 PM
The Council detects Sister Hatchet's attempt to play the media and turn the event back on the source. Result: epic failure. ;)

The proof stands before us: :o

Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2008, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on September 29, 2008, 03:33:17 PM
ewwwwww nice reward ff

hands off my award Militissa (I hear coveting in your tone)  ;) ;)



Shame on you Sister. :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 30, 2008, 02:19:31 PM
Weak, Weak, Weak.  Try again.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 30, 2008, 02:32:27 PM
We only sought to award the recipient a gift that much more matched her focus and beliefs (hence the weaker....oops...fairer....nope......aahhhhh.... smallest in average stature of the sexes, with her foot authoritatively pressing down upon the throat region of one who apparently is at that very moment somewhat "Y" deficient) and not one that surely represents the finest of the "Y" genetic models. (note the seemingly effortlessly way he stands and radiates "Y"ness in its basic form)

It's like he couldn't help but roll a natural 20 everytime..... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 30, 2008, 02:48:07 PM
Rumors and comments you may hear at the tavern that evening.....that may or may not be true....


~What was the Council smoking yesterday when they gave her that award?  I mean, really!
~Boudicca isn't actually stomping on the throat of that warrior, she's getting a foot massage.  Not even holding a sword!
~I bet the Sister plans to authoritatively press down alright!
~The Sister does in fact, get regular bodywork from a licensed massage therapist
~No doubt this is retaliation for the events of a week ago
~I heard she was cautioned by her Lord, "if your gonna play with the big boys....what do you expect?"

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 30, 2008, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 30, 2008, 02:48:07 PM
~What was the Council all smoking yesterday when they gave her that award?  I mean, really!
Ritual incense  ;D

Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 30, 2008, 02:48:07 PM
~Boudicca isn't actually stomping on the throat of that warrior, she's getting a foot massage.  Not even holding a sword!
What's with the 5' pig sticker and 3' serving platter?  ;)

Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 30, 2008, 02:48:07 PM
~I bet the Sister plans to authoritatively press down alright!
Really.....please?  ::)

Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 30, 2008, 02:48:07 PM
~The Sister does in fact, get regular bodywork from a licensed massage therapist
Financed by........ :o

Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 30, 2008, 02:48:07 PM
~No doubt this is retaliation for the events of a week ago
Nope, can't remember that far back.... ???

Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 30, 2008, 02:48:07 PM
~I heard she was cautioned by her Lord, "if your gonna play with the big boys....what do you expect?"

Ahhh...the wisdom of the "Y" shines brilliantly through.... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 30, 2008, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 30, 2008, 03:01:22 PM

~I heard she was cautioned by her Lord, "if your gonna play with the big boys....what do you expect?"

Ahhh...the wisdom of the "Y" shines brilliantly through.... ;) ;D

[/quote]

yeah wisdom of the knowledge that the big boys play rough but they don't know that we play rougher
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 01, 2008, 09:56:44 AM
aaaaahhhhhh....yeah. ::)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 01, 2008, 11:21:50 AM
see you know it's true

alright off to do pentence i'm being bad today
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 01, 2008, 11:35:37 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/untitled-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 01, 2008, 12:46:01 PM
make what so. the pentence or the being bad ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 01, 2008, 01:19:51 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/pope.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 01, 2008, 04:17:43 PM
Hey everyone my name is jesse and im from alabaster, alabama and i love all things medieval, im going to school to be a medieval historian!(http://[img]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/jessemims/DSC00427.jpg)[/img]
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 01, 2008, 04:51:06 PM
Welcome Frere Jesse, thanks for accepting my invitation. You'll find a good home here if medieval history is your thing. A lot of it laced with bizarre humor at times too.
The folks in this thread are quite knowledgeable and love to share.

Best wishes.

Frere Jesse in his finest:

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/jessemims/DSC00434.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 01, 2008, 09:44:17 PM
welcome frere *cough freshmeat* Jessie
I'm kidding always great to have a new person join this thread
hey warrior he has a horse wheres your horse
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on October 01, 2008, 11:47:39 PM
Welcome, Brother Jesse!!!

(I'll be so glad when 4th quarter is over so I can get back to checking the boards on a daily basis. Playing catchup once a week is taxing!)   :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on October 01, 2008, 11:51:37 PM
BTW, having grown up reading Conan, I'm slightly embarrassed to have just found out that Robert E. Howard also wrote historical fiction. About the Crusades, no less!!!   :-[

(Obviously, the below cover portrait is of an uneducated Saracen about to be taken to school...)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51QI6E1i7VL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 02, 2008, 03:05:24 AM
Greetings & Welcome Fra Jesse

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/15-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 02, 2008, 07:11:38 AM
Interesting new look Frere William!   It's either a celebrating an untimely demise of a heathen Saracen, or damn....too much ketchup on that ripe, plump hotdog!!! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on October 02, 2008, 08:55:39 AM
Frere William, did you get new Maille?

And there's never anything wrong with a little gore...   :-\
http://www.michaelchampion.net/Templar.mov (http://www.michaelchampion.net/Templar.mov)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 02, 2008, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 02, 2008, 07:11:38 AM
Interesting new look Frere William!

Just one of many that I will be sharing in the days to come

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 02, 2008, 07:11:38 AMIt's either a celebrating an untimely demise of a heathen Saracen, or damn....too much ketchup on that ripe, plump hotdog!!! :P

Or shaking up a ketchup bottle prior to application and discovering the lid wasn't screwed on completely!

Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on October 02, 2008, 08:55:39 AM
Frere William, did you get new Maille?

Indeed my brother. We actually received several pieces awhile back. This is the flatened riveted that we just completed weathering.

Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on October 02, 2008, 08:55:39 AM
And there's never anything wrong with a little gore...   :-\
http://www.michaelchampion.net/Templar.mov (http://www.michaelchampion.net/Templar.mov)

That still cracks me up!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on October 02, 2008, 09:38:19 AM
"Indeed my brother. We actually received several pieces awhile back. This is the flatened riveted that we just completed weathering."

Did you order this from the place in India? How does it rate on the authenticity-meter (i.e. did you get chausses, is the hauberk full sleeves, etc.)? I'm looking to get some new maille next year, and want to get flattened riveted maille, so am highly interested! Would also be curious about price, but we can take that conversation off board, if need be.   ;D

And kudos for the weathering! Just from what I can see in the small avatar, it looks great! I'm extremely jealous!   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 02, 2008, 12:14:12 PM
brother Marcus you may have started a trend all the brothers are now gonna want a ketchup pictures too.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 02, 2008, 01:23:27 PM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on October 01, 2008, 11:51:37 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51QI6E1i7VL._SS500_.jpg)

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Lord_of_Samarcand

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 02, 2008, 01:45:09 PM
it's difficult for me to tell...are those chapters in their entirety or is it excerpt form?

...and welcome Brother Jesse.  It looks as if you have all the necessary equipment to be rewarded on this thread.  ;) ;D

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on October 02, 2008, 01:51:36 PM
Looks like it's the full story!   ;D

That book has a number of different Crusader stories in it:

"This volume contains the complete Oriental stories by the creator of Conan the Barbarian and Solomon Kane. Some were published in Farnsworth Wright's Oriental Stories between 1930 and 1934; others were left unpublished and are printed here in authoritative texts based on the author's surviving typescripts; and still others, left unfinished at his death, are presented as suggestive evidence of the work he had yet to do."

I have it on my wishlist for Christmas. I just started reading the Conan books again. Haven't read them since I was in  my teens and still in Crusader training. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 02, 2008, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 02, 2008, 01:45:09 PM
It looks as if you have all the necessary equipment to be rewarded on this thread.  ;) ;D

This comment did not escape notice. :P ;) ;D

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/dream_woman_vs_perfec_-man.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 02, 2008, 02:02:34 PM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on October 01, 2008, 11:51:37 PM
(Obviously, the below cover portrait is of an uneducated Saracen about to be taken to school...)

I believe it plays out like.....

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/cruzada.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 02, 2008, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 02, 2008, 01:51:47 PM
This comment did not escape notice. :P ;) ;D

Well Excellent then, early onset dementia isn't as bad as originally feared.   :P ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on October 02, 2008, 02:14:47 PM

Quote
Well Excellent then, the Council's early onset dementia isn't as bad as we had originally feared.   :P ;)

We hide it well.   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 02, 2008, 02:51:27 PM
rofl i think the dementia only applies to the Y sect of this thread
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 02, 2008, 03:07:23 PM
*I'm clarifying my last post....not attempting to perpetuate the battle of the chromosomes today*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 03, 2008, 09:39:10 AM
Mystery Artist?? Here are two of my favorites. Two image's discovered last year from frere Cliff.   It's been amazing that myself with the help of several others have been unsuccessful in locating the artist/origins of these two particular pieces.  The search continues


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarios.jpg)


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/MyQQQRRRSSSGlennsPictures0008.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 03, 2008, 12:12:07 PM
the first one looks painfull
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 04, 2008, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 03, 2008, 09:39:10 AM
Mystery Artist??

So we're looking for the artists? I will se what I can come up with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k97ApJiJD9c
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 05, 2008, 01:06:27 PM
I received the 1982 version of Ivanhoe on DVD yesterday, and thought I'd share a pair of images from the movie:

The messenger who brings Grand Master Lucas de Beaumanoir the message from Issac of York

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/1982Ivanhoe001.jpg)

Funny thing, but he looks like a........
Sir Brian  (Sam Neill)wears the cloak of the Temple in the end of the movie, but throughout wears a raven carrying a skull on a red background, even under the cloak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKvM-EfrNrw

And the Temple Grand Master Lucas de Beaumanoir:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/1982Ivanhoe002.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 05, 2008, 01:28:58 PM
hmmm grand master reminds me of someone but whoooo
ohhhh yeah he favors Much on Robin Hood
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 05, 2008, 02:20:53 PM
Now that you mention it, I see it too.... :P ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 06, 2008, 09:39:04 AM
Myself and frere Joseph Von Lamar finally arrive at Fishers Renaissance Festival

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_1005Image0081.jpg)

We arrive in the early morning

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/2008_1005Image0083.jpg)

In response to Saracen activity


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_1005Image0082.jpg)

To be continued......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 06, 2008, 10:12:53 AM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff174/C1b_photos/extras/bowingsmilies.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 06, 2008, 11:21:03 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/2008_1005.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 06, 2008, 01:16:50 PM

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_1005Image0081.jpg)



This looks like the point in the adventure when all the pilgrims and the exhausted and overwhelmed soldiers cry out in relief because the mighty have arrived!

Great picture....beautiful faire day. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 06, 2008, 01:47:30 PM
Grammercy Frere Cliff and Sister Hatchet. I must confess it was actually really hard  to keep a straight face in those photo's due to the company we had that day.  It's slightly obvious in the top photo when you see Sir Joseph as he just couldn't keep a straight face anymore  ;D

Sister Hatchet, we even stumbled upon a Lady Warrior amongst the crowds and took her photo in your honor.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/2008_1005Image0029.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 06, 2008, 02:03:24 PM
How kind of you Brother William.  Always enjoy seeing how the other Warrior Sisters are garbing.  Did you inquire into her Order?  But wait....it looks as if she is about to give a tithe to the Temple? 

Please share the rest of your journey when you have the time.

BTW....GREAT new avatar
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on October 06, 2008, 11:44:19 PM
Has anyone ever thought of doing a get together of all us knights somewhere? Sort of like the Redevouz.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 07, 2008, 07:08:41 AM
Why yes, yes we have......

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TRF.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 07, 2008, 12:15:25 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/willofg.jpg)
Image courtesy of frere Cliff de Beaumanoir
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 07, 2008, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: Lord Fondlebottom on October 06, 2008, 11:44:19 PM
Has anyone ever thought of doing a get together of all us knights somewhere? Sort of like the Redevouz.

We're also trying a trial run at the ARF!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/florence.jpg)

Hopefully Frere Jesse and his Brothers can attend.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 07, 2008, 05:16:36 PM
This morning, while taking "Her Majesty" to her other weekday Kingdom, we stopped at a local food establishment, to secure her a biscuit. Dazzled by her charm, the local peasants gave her a gift; a book with many activities to fill her spare time with-mazes, puzzles, coloring challenges.

Well it was still minutes to sunrise, so the cabin area of our conveyance was still dark, while she scanned over its' contents to see if it would satisfactorily meet her demands. Half way to the Kingdom, she let out an excited yell, "Daddy,daddy...look!", and what to my tired eyes is unveiled......

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/McDhandout.jpg)


It's catching on!!!  :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 07, 2008, 07:40:14 PM
RIGHT ON with a thunderous DEUS VULT!! 

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_0713Image0015.jpg)

Gotta love it!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 07, 2008, 09:04:01 PM
just to introduce my self alittle more im going to share my favorite quote
"[A Templar Knight] is truly a fearless knight, and secure on every side, for his soul is protected by the armor of faith, just as his body is protected by the armor of steel. He is thus doubly-armed, and need fear neither demons nor men." Bernard de Clairvaux, c. 1135

i am currently attending school to become a medieval historian. i love all things about the templars and other orders, and i beleive that this stuff is 100% relative to todays world! i just turned 19 today and id like to shaare my birthday cake with everyone!
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/jessemims/DSCN4922.jpg)
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/jessemims/DSCN4920.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 07, 2008, 10:01:21 PM
Natal Day Wishes frere Jesse!  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/cheers.gif)

What a Cake! I do believe, if my memory serves me correctly, that is the first Templar/Crusader cake I have ever seen!


If I may add as it is a favorite of mine as well..

"A New Knighthood has appeared in the land of The Incarnation, a Knighthood which fights a double battle, against adversaries of flesh and blood and against the Spirit of Evil. I do not think it a marvelous thing that these Knights resist physical enemies with physical force, because that, I know, is not rare. But they take up arms with forces of the Spirit against vices and Demons, and that I call not only marvelous, but worthy of all the praise given to men of God..... The Knight who protects his soul with the Armor of Faith, as he covers his body with a coat of mail, is truly without fear and above reproach. Doubly armed, he fears neither men nor Demons."


St. Bernard of Clairvoux


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/l_723f3b0a4f13b7f792727a18ad77fcc8.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 08, 2008, 06:58:19 AM
happy birthday my thats a big candle too.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 08, 2008, 07:33:17 AM
Happiness, Peace, Joy on your Birthday Templar Jesse!   :D

Whatever hour God has blessed you with, take it with a grateful hand nor postpone your joys from year to year, so that in whatever place you have been you may say that you have lived happily. 



Warrior Monk:  A delightful tale of the Majesty's adventures replete with supporting artifacts!  Well told.   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 10, 2008, 07:55:34 AM
Frere Jesse,

Have you chosen a day to make your Templar appearance at the ARF yet?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 10, 2008, 03:00:20 PM
saterday!!! me and the bros will be there
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/jessemims/ben.jpg)
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/jessemims/will.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 10, 2008, 03:07:44 PM
Then we should have some great photos on the eve of the same day! ;D

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/fellowship-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 10, 2008, 03:11:57 PM
God help all the fun-luvin' heathens just trying to have a good time..... :) ;) :D

Warrior Monk and his new, young acolytes!

I'll pray for them all.  Amen.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on October 10, 2008, 03:25:46 PM
Heathens and pagans of the world unite! The forces of the Earth are with thee!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 10, 2008, 03:25:58 PM
To quote a great adage; "It's on now!" ;D


Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on October 10, 2008, 03:31:20 PM
We are the falcons of your sins!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 10, 2008, 03:34:01 PM
sin....is such a strong word   ;)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 10, 2008, 03:36:16 PM
Welcome to the thread Lord Richard de Graeme , but I think you missed Sister Hatchet's point. :P

Frere Jesse, are all your Sword Brothers equipped the same way, as the photos show? I have to make a choice between a 12th century or 13th century helmet.

decisions, decisions..... ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 10, 2008, 04:06:14 PM
*Lighting a candle* 

*Hope such a "holy representation" doesn't squelch all the fun....wish I could be in two places at once!    :) ;D*


I'm sure you will choose wisely Warrior Monk.  No chance of wardrobe malfunctions there.

For CRF this weekend I'm going for a more pagan look *gasp* and leaving the armor at home...still plan on carrying my falchion of course!  One never knows what foolish scoundrels may be lurking!   ;) ;)   (Do I sound at all hopeful???    ;) ;))

Enjoy everyone and don't forget to take the magic image reproducer!




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 10, 2008, 06:26:36 PM
hmmmm templars from across the boarder are smaller than ga templars
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on October 10, 2008, 07:21:52 PM
Aye, I believe you are correct. The best of birthdays to you sir! And yes sin is such a strong word, but chock it up to just Monkin' around.

Here's a health to you both (sipping a Guinness), kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 11, 2008, 07:30:03 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on October 10, 2008, 06:26:36 PM
hmmmm templars from across the boarder are smaller than ga templars

Sister ASHley,

Unless you know another Templar monk, all of us gearing up for the ARF, are from the same side of the BORDER......the west side of the river! ;) And all Warrior Monks are the same size: Larger than Life!

Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 11, 2008, 08:30:25 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 10, 2008, 04:06:14 PM
*Hope such a "holy representation" doesn't squelch all the fun....wish I could be in two places at once!    :) ;D*

Sister Hatchet, the special Chapter meeting at the ARF is scheduled for the 25th, not this weekend.
Majik Boxes will be present. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 11, 2008, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 11, 2008, 07:30:03 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on October 10, 2008, 06:26:36 PM
hmmmm templars from across the boarder are smaller than ga templars

Sister ASHley,

Unless you know another Templar monk, all of us gearing up for the ARF, are from the same side of the BORDER......the west side of the river! ;) And all Warrior Monks are the same size: Larger than Life!

Deus vult!

lol warrior i dare say you've been listening to the backstreet boys
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 11, 2008, 01:34:09 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on October 11, 2008, 12:23:40 PM
warrior i dare say you've been listening to the backstreet boys

Sister ASHley, from your reply, it would appear that you've taken more than your fair share of a sip from the Holy wine...


Let me thus explain it to you, in the theory of "A picture is worth one thousand words.."

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/peasants.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 12, 2008, 01:37:58 PM
thirteen more days!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 13, 2008, 01:05:25 PM
Carolina Renaissance Festival

Greetings Brothers.  Enjoyed a beautiful day at CRF this past weekend escorting these two lovely (but obviously secular) ladies through the streets of Fairhaven.

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1521.jpg)
Lady Selduin, Madame Ambrosia and myself

Fortunately, when things became menacing, several good Knights (although quite dour....must be in the Rule somewhere) were available (so as not to get blood on my finery  ;))

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1499.jpg)

(this gentleman almost didn't let me capture his image because he was without his helm!)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1511.jpg)

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1503.jpg)

Also ran into a few of the Sisters....who thoroughly chastised me for having such an obviously good time!

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1523.jpg)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 13, 2008, 01:29:10 PM
Wonderful majik box representations Sister Hatchet!

Judging from the size of the table knife on your hip, the old adage of "you can take the Sister out of the Order, but not the Order out of the Sister" appears to be correct.

It looks as if the two major Orders were equally represented that day.

Pilgrims and passersby, please take note how that humble Templar Knight provides that young pilgrim a solid perch as to peer above the local Saracen, and a steady and dependable ride as to reach his final destination! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 13, 2008, 01:46:32 PM
I hate to admit it but I was having wardrobe malfunctions towards the end of the day....my scabbard kept falling out of it's frog and my hip was falling asleep from the weight of my belt (I also was carrying 2 pouches, runes, a book, a drinking horn, majik box, and other unseen goodies).   :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 13, 2008, 02:13:11 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 13, 2008, 01:29:10 PM
Pilgrims and passersby, please take note how that humble Templar Knight provides that young pilgrim a solid perch as to peer above the local Saracen, and a steady and dependable ride as to reach his final destination! ;D

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thicon_loll.gif)  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icon_lol.gif)


Very Nice! Thank you indeed for sharing Sister Hatchet.  I 'am somewhat surprised at the number representing the orders. (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/grinning-smiley-004.gif)      Me and fra Joseph rarely counter any in our ventures. 

It also appears that CRF likes to make sure that those piece-ties are really visible too. You can probably spot them from the space shuttle.. lol!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 13, 2008, 02:22:00 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 13, 2008, 01:46:32 PM
I hate to admit it but I was having wardrobe malfunctions towards the end of the day....my scabbard kept falling out of it's frog and my hip was falling asleep from the weight of my belt (I also was carrying 2 pouches, runes, a book, a drinking horn, majik box, and other unseen goodies).   :D

Warrior Nun......peasant sister...........or pack mule? :P


I have to ask.....what book? Perhaps Upton Ward's Primitive Rule of the Templars? ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 13, 2008, 06:54:44 PM
Pack mule?  :o  :o  *stomps on WM's foot* That's not very nice!

The book was not Primitive rule of the Templars but instead The Book of Runes by Ralph Blum.  When I was inspired I offered to "consult the oracle" with others.   ;) 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 13, 2008, 07:40:20 PM
*sticks swelling foot in mouth to prevent swelling from going too far*

I was only referencing the fact of the mighty load you had mentioned that you carried suspended from around your waist restraint.... :P ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 14, 2008, 12:43:57 AM
Fishers
The continuation




After receiving news of Saracen activities, myself and Sir Joseph move unto the grounds to locate our contact.


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/brothersoftheorder2.jpg)


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/2008_1005Image0083.jpg)

































(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/2008_1005Image0063.jpg)

NOPE! Thats not him. Thats our German brother "Gerhard Von Kinckelbach!"













































Here's our contact....

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/2008_1005Image0058.jpg)

Our contact informs us of the whereabouts of thee Infidel. We move in immediately.... 




































And discovered, it was none other than our good ole Turkish friend "Lord Magnus!"

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_1005Image0026.jpg)




So, without a hassle we kinda take Lord Magnus into a peaceful custody to ease the tension of the pilgrims.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_1005Image0011.jpg)


We talked about the good old days and then...


We decided it was time to do some serious drinking of the blessed wine

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/lordmagnustastybeverage.jpg)




Just to reassure ourselves. We had Lord Magnus swear his faith to the Church....again.


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/2008_1005Image0062.jpg)














Everything was looking good...



























Then out of nowhere Sir Joseph decides to claim his passage, and takes out Lord Magnus with his Beauseant!!!


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album%3Cbr%20/%3E/2008_1005Image0085.jpg)

I almost laughed my holy hiney off!  Especially here when Lord Magnus tried to draw his scimitar...Right!


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_1005Image0086.jpg)


It doesn't get much better than that!  A most joyous time if I should say so myself!



The End


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/ritter15.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 14, 2008, 06:44:24 AM
Awesome Tale Brother William!!!  ;D :D :D  Well done.

It looks to me as if Lord Magnus would have been better off not drinking the sacred wine and imbibing from the sacred pipe! (that's a great accessory!). 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 14, 2008, 06:48:00 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 14, 2008, 12:43:57 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_1005Image0086.jpg)

I just LOVE happy endings!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 14, 2008, 07:45:38 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 14, 2008, 12:43:57 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/2008_1005Image0063.jpg)

Thats our German brother "Gerhard Von Kinckelbach!"

It appears from the weathering and fading of his tunic cross, that this Germanic warrior monk has been to the Outremer and back. His Cross has the look of reinforced sewing around the edges.
He also appears to be carrying the KoH sword of Odo on his hip.

His shield appears to have some sort of secular color scheme and design on it though...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 14, 2008, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 14, 2008, 07:45:38 AM

He also appears to be carrying the KoH sword of Odo on his hip.

Nothing escapes your eye my brother. It is indeed the sword of Odo.  Fra Gerard also informed me that he always leaves his habit outdoors to acquire the weathered look (pun intended). 

The next time I speak to him I will ask about the colors on his shield. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 14, 2008, 08:49:32 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 13, 2008, 01:46:32 PM
I hate to admit it but I was having wardrobe malfunctions towards the end of the day....my scabbard kept falling out of it's frog and my hip was falling asleep from the weight of my belt (I also was carrying 2 pouches, runes, a book, a drinking horn, majik box, and other unseen goodies).   :D

Get a chance, check out the baggage that Lord Magnus carries around his hip too. You can get an idea of  the huge pouches he carries in the bottom image's with Fra Joseph.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 14, 2008, 09:39:33 AM
You are quite right, I did notice his pouches *blushing*.  Do you know what he was carrying?  A small keg of ale perhaps? 

I'm wondering if I can improve on the weight distribution (the belt, not my own  ;)) to enhance comfort?  I routinely am lugging around at least 40lbs (that's how much just 1 of my twins weighs now  :o) but still...

In addition, the more I'm carrying, the more I find using the privy vexing!    :D

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 14, 2008, 10:04:31 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 14, 2008, 09:39:33 AM
I'm wondering if I can improve on the weight distribution (the belt, not my own  ;)) to enhance comfort?  I routinely am lugging around at least 40lbs (that's how much just 1 of my twins weighs now  :o) but still...

On any given faire day, you believe you carry around 40lbs.

Having served in the mundane world as an Infantryman, I am an astute disciple of the concept of a soldier's load (what he carries to battle).

Understanding the math involved here will help you come up to a solution to your Faire woes.

It is believed that a person (term being substituted for soldier) should carry no more than 1/3 of their body weight. This will technically leave them in a condition to engage in action upon their dismounted arrival to their objective.

With this in mind, and not venturing to guess what you tip the scales at, I will attempt to solve your dilemma by using only the facts you provided:

First fact- 40lb  load
Second fact- twins (each weighing in at roughly 40lbs)
Third fact- 40lbs divided by 1/3 equals roughly 13lbs

With all this now figured out, if you were to enlist the aid of these valiant young pages (soon to be Warrior Monks), by having them carry the less important 26lbs of gear (distributed as equally as possible, and preferably above their center of gravity, so as not to induce the stress and rigors of load bearing too quickly), this would leave you, the primary load bearer with a load of about 14 lbs. Easily manageable in most circumstances. And we have yet to discuss the possibility of cross loading to the Lord of the group. (special attention would be made for any physical concerns required)


In the worst case scenario, you could always buy a wagon, much like that used by Frere Mikael.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 14, 2008, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 14, 2008, 09:39:33 AM
You are quite right, I did notice his pouches *blushing*.  Do you know what he was carrying?  A small keg of ale perhaps?

Why YES he was! Along with a pack of bologna, a loaf of bread, assorted tools, thermos, tempur pedic pillow, ipod and his laptop!



Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 14, 2008, 09:39:33 AM
I'm wondering if I can improve on the weight distribution (the belt, not my own  ;)) to enhance comfort?  I routinely am lugging around at least 40lbs (that's how much just 1 of my twins weighs now  :o) but still...



Probably the best way to take the load off the waist would be the use of some kind of large shoulder or medieval duffle bag/pouch. Here is an example: http://www.theinnerbailey.com/accessoriesshoulderbag1.htm 

Or the use of some kind of suspender system.  How you would incorporate it is up to ones imagination.  It would however take the load off the waist

Third,  would be a small wagon.
Forth option, hire a road crew. 
Fifth option would be the use of a trained animal to haul your gear like a mule, elephant, goat, llamas, dogs.

Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 14, 2008, 09:39:33 AM
In addition, the more I'm carrying, the more I find using the privy vexing! 

That is one of the downfalls for sure.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 14, 2008, 10:28:21 AM
Or to quote Herger the Joyous from the movie 13th Warrior; "Grow stronger"!  ;)


(http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l458/glvalentine/questionabletaste/13thwarrior/13th-warrior-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 14, 2008, 01:29:52 PM
Excellent suggestions....all! 

Warrior Monk, I do recall applying the 1/3 body weight rule when preparing for backpacking trips.  I doubt I was carrying more than 20 lbs on faire day but my belt wasn't situated properly.  I'm afraid I have relied far too heavily on my attendants (m'Lord) in the past to see to the fastening and finishing of my garb (if you follow my meaning  ;)) 

Brother William...I thank thee kindly for sending me the link to the large shoulder pouch.  Perfect!  I shall be submitting my Papal request for the necessary funding to cover this essential equipment!  ....and I have always been drawn to the idea of henchmen too (wait, I already have some...they just haven't turned 3 yet  :D) 

Growing stronger?  Well, it is almost fire season.  Here in the Grove we primarily heat with a woodstove...fell, cut and split our wood the old-fashioned way.  They don't call me Sister Hatchet for nothing....I'm a 7th level wood splitter!   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 14, 2008, 02:52:45 PM
Yes, yes Sister Hatchet, I can see your point about load sharing.

As for 7th level Wood Cutter, doesn't Black and Decker sell a model of that?  ;)






Today their Renaissance Festivals......tomorrow......

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Globe.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 14, 2008, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 14, 2008, 02:52:45 PM
As for 7th level Wood Cutter, doesn't Black and Decker sell a model of that?  ;)


blasphemy!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on October 14, 2008, 11:17:23 PM
(Pokes his head up from this mountain of work he's been buried under)...

Just popping in long enough to thank  Sir William for sharing his rousing tale, and to recommend Sir Joseph for a promotion for his stunning display of a maneuver from "101 Moral-Boosting Uses for a Beauseant". Good Form, Sir Joseph!!! Sister Hatchet, I also enjoyed the pictures from your recent outing! Good to see you making contact with the local brothers!  :)

My Queen has put forth a last minute commandment: our family is in dire need of a vacation, or at least a weekend getaway, so I have been commanded to pack up my war gear, because it looks like we WILL be making it down to TRF this weekend! I have already been in contact with Frere Hospitaller (who not only survived the brief bout of foul weather that hit Houston a while back, but was also able to track down his Hospitaller kit, for those remember the story of his move). We'll see how well the recovered shoulder holds up under the weight of the chainmail, because I just can't bring myself to attend faire without it! As soon as we return and I get an opportunity to upload pictures, I'll share them with everyone.

Nice to hear from everyone again!

(Digs back under his mountain of work and counts the days for the holidays to be over so things will slow back down!)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 15, 2008, 03:11:17 AM
It's great to hear from you Frere Mikael!! I will pass the news to fra Joseph regarding the recommendation. I'm sure he will be pleased. It is also great to hear that you have been in contact with Hospitaller and plan on rendezvouing with him at TRF. 

Enjoy and watch that shoulder!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 15, 2008, 07:22:48 AM
Good to hear that you're still with us Frere Mikael. I am jealous that you'll be able to attend in such distinguished company, and that Hospitaller will be there as well. Some great photos to be had I am sure.

Best wishes, good luck, and stay safe out there.... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 15, 2008, 09:28:42 AM
ahhh brother mikael i can understand the queen's need of vacation i myself needs one
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 15, 2008, 10:15:09 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/6009_1.jpg)

Has any one else received theirs yet?  ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 15, 2008, 11:10:10 AM
Negative brother. My apologies as I was financially sidetracked  :(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 15, 2008, 11:17:17 AM
how do i set a profile picture
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 15, 2008, 11:38:33 AM
ok jesse click on your name and it should say forum profile info on the left side click that and it gives you the option to use a pic from photo bucket or some other source
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 15, 2008, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 14, 2008, 02:52:45 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Globe.jpg)

Great Image Warrior Monk!

Additionally, public thanks for assistance with my new avatar... :) ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 15, 2008, 01:48:37 PM
Is there a larger version of that avatar??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 15, 2008, 02:08:43 PM
Here is is Brother Marcus

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/avatar.jpg)

and another image so I can feel like one of the boys   ;) :D

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Goddess/Swordsister3.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 15, 2008, 02:17:15 PM
Right On!! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/grinning-smiley-004.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icn___clap.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 15, 2008, 02:29:40 PM
amen ff i totally agree
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 15, 2008, 02:52:58 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 15, 2008, 02:08:43 PM
and another image so I can feel like one of the boys   ;) :D

Ahhh ha! Feel like one of the boys is it?
We all know that a Warrior Monk of any Order is like the "Hammer of God"!
I believe you Sword Sisters and Warrior Nuns come off more like "Divine Scalpels".... ;D ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 15, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Brother Monk..you forgot to mention;

the Almighty's Auger, Jehovah's Jigsaw, the Lord's Lathe, the Savior's Screwdriver, True Light's Tablesaw, our Deliverer's Drill or the Good Shepherd's Grinder

"Divine Scalpel"?    All the better to dissect you with my dear.   ;) :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 15, 2008, 03:37:53 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 15, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
the Almighty's Auger, Jehovah's Jigsaw, the Lord's Lathe, the Savior's Screwdriver, True Light's Tablesaw, our Deliverer's Drill or the Good Shepherd's Grinder



Going to battle or building a birdhouse?? You know, they say Jesus was a carpenter and perhaps some of these tools could of found back at his shop  ;)

I'm off to penance now
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 15, 2008, 03:50:56 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 15, 2008, 02:52:58 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 15, 2008, 02:08:43 PM
and another image so I can feel like one of the boys   ;) :D

Ahhh ha! Feel like one of the boys is it?
We all know that a Warrior Monk of any Order is like the "Hammer of God"!
I believe you Sword Sisters and Warrior Nuns come off more like "Divine Scalpals".... ;D ;) :P

hey scalpals still can cut and do some damage
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 15, 2008, 08:29:29 PM
sorry, don't know what came over me.  Went on a tool tangent.

**Non-geeks need not read further**

Quotehey scalpels still can cut and do some damage

Warrior Monk, can I have the stats on the "Divine Scalpel" please?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 16, 2008, 08:12:03 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 15, 2008, 08:29:29 PM
Warrior Monk, can I have the stats on the "Divine Scalpel" please?

Exotic Weapon-Melee
Weapon                      cost      damage      critical       range    weight    type

Small
Divine Scalpel*                 2gp         1d6            x2             10ft         6-8oz         piercing/slashing


*The divine scalpel is a small edged weapon with a single side of the blade sharpened to a very fine edge and blessed by a divinity of the Warrior Cenobite class. It is also balanced for throwing. Since an enemy within ten feet can quickly close with you, it's usually a better idea to keep your weapon in your hand.

1 out of 10 Cenobites of the Warrior class prefer it, the other nine are Warrior Monks, and there's nothing they can't solve with the appropriate amount of force and a hammer!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on October 16, 2008, 08:15:39 AM
Everybody's got cool new pictures!

So I was getting the gear together last night, and as is always the case I started just throwing stuff on at random to make sure it was all in order...not realizing the the T-Shirt that I had on...which of course prompted another inspirational poster...


(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll51/TexasTemplar/security1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on October 16, 2008, 08:19:00 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 15, 2008, 11:10:10 AM
Negative brother. My apologies as I was financially sidetracked  :(

Ditto. This time of the year I'm forbidden to make personal purchases so that family members can have something to get me for Christmas or my birthday. I have it on my online wishlist, though, so if nobody's bought me one by December, I'll get it for myself at the start of the year. Either way, I'll have it in time for Scarborough next year.   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 16, 2008, 09:31:21 AM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on October 16, 2008, 08:15:39 AM
Everybody's got cool new pictures!

So I was getting the gear together last night, and as is always the case I started just throwing stuff on at random to make sure it was all in order...not realizing the the T-Shirt that I had on...which of course prompted another inspirational poster...


(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll51/TexasTemplar/security1.jpg)

rofl my friend love the picture
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 16, 2008, 09:53:06 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 16, 2008, 08:12:03 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 15, 2008, 08:29:29 PM
Warrior Monk, can I have the stats on the "Divine Scalpel" please?

Exotic Weapon-Melee
Weapon                      cost      damage      critical       range    weight    type

Small
Divine Scalpel*                 2gp         1d6            x2             10ft         6-8oz         piercing/slashing


*The divine scalpel is a small edged weapon with a single side of the blade sharpened to a very fine edge and blessed by a divinity of the Warrior Cenobite class. It is also balanced for throwing. Since an enemy within ten feet can quickly close with you, it's usually a better idea to keep your weapon in your hand.

1 out of 10 Cenobites of the Warrior class prefer it, the other nine are Warrior Monks, and there's nothing they can't solve with the appropriate amount of force and a hammer!



A+
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 16, 2008, 12:45:17 PM
Rofl ohhhh my goodness. yall check this out
trying to do research i went to yahoo and said search
Frati della Beata Gloriosa Vergine Maria
and guess the second choice down from wikipedia is this forum page two where i am going who you calling old
Rofl
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 16, 2008, 01:01:16 PM
Not to split (or I should say, slice) hairs....but I don't think this Sword Sister would touch the "Divine Scalpel".  It seems like the weapon itself may be of evil alignment (Order of the Gash....hello?) and I could loose constitution or hps just touching it!

I'll stick with the falchion & hatchet.   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 17, 2008, 09:05:56 AM
To my forum family, starting next week, I'll be changing jobs, and work locations. My next destination has firewalls that would drive a Saint mad. I will continue to view these threads, but my posts will take a drastic hit in frequency.

All the best to you, and be safe out there this weekend.

Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 17, 2008, 09:28:28 AM
The best to you my brother, and may your weekend be a safe and a memorable one as well.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/MyShieldPictures0010.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 17, 2008, 10:36:25 AM
needles to say warrior will be posting a weeks worth of post in one day. God bless and keep all of yall this weekend
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 17, 2008, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on October 17, 2008, 10:36:25 AM
and keep all of yall this weekend

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thinking1.gif) Huh?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 17, 2008, 12:37:03 PM
it means may he keep yall safe
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 17, 2008, 03:08:13 PM
Warrior Monk...I just can't believe you'd let a few little firewalls keep you from God's work!  :o  How about using that Hammer of God to take a crack at it?

Best wishes as you begin your new position.  :)

Brother William, as midwest born child, allow me to translate for you.  Yall = You all  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 18, 2008, 08:57:13 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 17, 2008, 03:08:13 PM
Warrior Monk...I just can't believe you'd let a few little firewalls keep you from God's work!  :o  How about using that Hammer of God to take a crack at it?

I'll do what what I can... ;)

From where I'm positioned geographically, "Midwest" is just another term for Yankee! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 18, 2008, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 17, 2008, 03:08:13 PM
Brother William, as midwest born child, allow me to translate for you.  Yall = You all  ;)


First, I wasn't born in the Midwest.  Second, thank you for the translation. However, I am actually very familiar with the accents and language that is spoken below the Mason Dixon line.  ;)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Funny%20Pictures/Hillbilly1_Photo.jpg)

I just find that "Yall" just doesn't quite fit the renaissance or medieval persona (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/nixweiss.gif) and especially of one that represents Frati della Beata Gloriosa Vergine Maria.

Y'all know what I be talkin about?  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 18, 2008, 04:28:27 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 18, 2008, 03:56:40 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Funny%20Pictures/Hillbilly1_Photo.jpg)

Hey! That's my graduating class photo of 84!

I'm 9th from the left! (yes that's animal included)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 18, 2008, 09:20:43 PM
For my thread Brothers who might subscribe to the old adage; "an apple never falls far from the tree.."

During the Fifth Crusade, Grand Master William of Chartres died after the capture of Damietta in 1219, and was replaced with Grand Master Peter of Montaigu, who was brother to the Grand Master of the Hospital, Fra' Garin de Montaigu (G.M.o H. 1207-1228).

A powerful set of Brothers indeed.

(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/TemplarHospitaller/knights_templar___hospitaller.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 19, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
medieval nepotism?  ;) 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 19, 2008, 04:43:34 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 14, 2008, 03:14:14 PM
blasphemy!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 19, 2008, 06:39:32 PM
allow me to play my new card   :P

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_1520-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 20, 2008, 12:03:19 PM
 :o  Never saw that one coming.........must be a new edition... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 20, 2008, 01:12:32 PM
the image is from CRF....it's a sign belonging to sisterly performers known as "Hey Nunnie Nunnie"

Thought it would be of use on this thread.  :P *puts back in bag of holding for later*


Brother Mikael....does thou have images to share from your adventures of the weekend past?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on October 20, 2008, 01:30:18 PM
I do! In my haste this morning, I forgot to bring the camera with me to work to upload them (we got home too late to do it last night). I should have them to share tomorrow. Oh, and after meeting Frere Hospitaller in person and knowing how tall Brothers Cliff and William are, it's official...I'm the short brother!   ::)

Brother Greg and I went to watch the Birds of Prey show and were faced with the eternal choice us warriors have to make...stand in the shade or sit in the sun. We sat in the sun and gave our backs a rest.   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 20, 2008, 02:04:12 PM
Looking forward to the images brother Mikael. We just wrapped up our faire season this Sunday back at Ohio for the weekend closer.  This time we were joined and gave escort to the fae princess for the day.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/063.jpg)
Photo courtesy of Master Carl

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/NEW%20Sarah/2008_1019Image0007.jpg)

She had a great time as expected,  and told us she was going to put in a good word about us to the Grandmaster.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 20, 2008, 02:53:51 PM
Absolutely splendid photos Frere William. If I were you, I'd keep that attire for when your little Fae becomes older to help ward off heretical suitors! Her's will be a siren's song for sure... ;D

Looking forward to your photos as well Frere Mikael. Let it be known that size is a curse at times, especially when it comes to helmets and head covers... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 20, 2008, 03:03:13 PM
ahhhh brother marcus i do believe she had a good time. the looks of it i believe she will have good things to report to the grand master
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on October 20, 2008, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 20, 2008, 02:53:51 PM
Looking forward to your photos as well Frere Mikael. Let it be known that size is a curse at times, especially when it comes to helmets and head covers... :P

Well, I still got the benefit of the fat head. Frere William had to recommend a vendor that sold helmets big enough to fit my noggin!   ;D

That little Fae Princess is absolutely adorable! We have pictures of my little angel in her blue peasant dress that's been shown in other pictures chasing a little faery girl of the same age around a tree. My wife said it was cute, like a little peasant girl trying to catch a baby faery. I'm sure it was with the intent to turn the pagan creature over to her father.   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 20, 2008, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on October 20, 2008, 03:46:25 PM
I'm sure it was with the intent to turn the pagan creature over to her father.   ;D

Eeeeeeasy now, we don't need to be doing any name calling as there may be sensitive ears.  ;)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/NEW%20Sarah/2008_1019Image0022.jpg)

Even though we all know that they are indeed little paganus creatures.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 20, 2008, 06:56:40 PM
QuoteEven though we all know that they are indeed little paganus creatures.

Indeed, it is because the wee ones still can see and feel the earth's magik....just look at the all-knowing clarity in those lovely faces!
(those are the rumors I've heard anyway....)  I thank thee for sharing such splendid images.

Let the scroll reflect that I have refrained from any inappropriate comments or innuendos regarding the matter of size or lack thereof.   ;)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 21, 2008, 06:45:31 AM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on October 20, 2008, 03:46:25 PM
Frere William had to recommend a vendor that sold helmets big enough to fit my noggin!   

His recommendations have served me as well.  I think he runs for the position of Renforums Draper... ;)

Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 20, 2008, 06:01:14 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/NEW%20Sarah/2008_1019Image0022.jpg)

This picture melted Lady LeFay's heart. It might have also stolen my "mini-me" and taken her away from the dark side. :'(
I know the 'Princess to be Queen' on the right (a beauty to be sure Brother, you must be proud), but is the smaller one also family?

Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 20, 2008, 06:56:40 PM
Let the scroll reflect that I have refrained from any inappropriate comments or innuendos regarding the matter of size or lack thereof.   ;)

Appropriately noted, and I wasn't actually aware that I had accessed and left that possible "door" wide open.. :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 21, 2008, 09:23:40 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 21, 2008, 06:45:31 AM
His recommendations have served me as well.  I think he runs for the position of Renforums Draper... ;)

Thank you my brother. Although as we know you, yourself has pointed me in the right direction on many, many  occasion and I will be ever grateful.

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 21, 2008, 06:45:31 AM
I know the 'Princess to be Queen' on the right (a beauty to be sure Brother, you must be proud), but is the smaller one also family?

Not family, Just an adorable double-dagger-toating little friend of ours that stopped buy and hung out with us for awhile.


Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 20, 2008, 06:56:40 PM
Let the scroll reflect that I have refrained from any inappropriate comments or innuendos regarding the matter of size or lack thereof.   ;)

Brothers

I must admit I saw this coming a mile away.  She couldn't of been set-up more beautifully.   I was patiently anticapating the inappropriate yet comical replies from our sister in regards to it... 

They didn't come. In fact, she refrained

Now, I must say that I am very impressed at the incredible willpower that our Lady Warrior has demonstrated here. Her unsurpassed willpower must be noted and recorded for all to witness...

Deus Vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 21, 2008, 11:11:18 AM
It is good to share... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 21, 2008, 11:27:54 AM
rofl tis dangerous to share as well ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 21, 2008, 01:14:49 PM
Militissa....in my Order, we live by the Rule of Abundance.  There is more than enough to go around....plenty to share!   :) 

BTW Warrior Monk....what are we sharing?

Brother William, I am deeply touched by your recognition.  Naught in this lifetime have words such as incredible and unsurpassed been paired with my willpower. 

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 21, 2008, 01:21:14 PM
Information regarding the clothing and locations to acquire the clothing and equipment of the Medieval Warrior Monk.

That is all M'lady.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/vest01.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 21, 2008, 01:25:50 PM
I thought perhaps you were sharing your willpower....and that was the source of my divine inspiration  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on October 21, 2008, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 21, 2008, 09:23:40 AM
Now, I must say that I am very impressed at the incredible willpower that our Lady Warrior has demonstrated here. Her unsurpassed willpower must be noted and recorded for all to witness...

We're slowly bending her will to our more Godly ways...

(ducks)  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 21, 2008, 01:55:35 PM
*hatchet whizzes way above head *   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 21, 2008, 02:04:50 PM
** Caught by the hand of Sir William Marcus **


The crowd goes WHOOOOOA!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 21, 2008, 02:09:30 PM
...that Brother William, so talented *high dex bonus*

SH laughs heartily, pulls the cork "Is it time for happy, err, I mean, holy hour?"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 21, 2008, 02:16:53 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 21, 2008, 02:04:50 PM
The crowd goes WHOOOOOA!

Are you sure it wasn't; "pie jesu domine, dona eis requiem.."
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 21, 2008, 02:56:57 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 21, 2008, 02:16:53 PM
Are you sure it wasn't; "pie jesu domine, dona eis requiem.."

Why YES! If my memory serves me correctly..  I believe it was ..."Whooooa Pie Jesu Domine!"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 23, 2008, 05:28:52 AM
I change jobs and the thread goes silent? Where is all the banter? Something to look forward to, upon my daily return to the fortress.... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on October 23, 2008, 09:27:19 AM
Sorry Warrior Monk just haven't been in to saying much lately!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 23, 2008, 01:41:05 PM
Brother Gregory....you are a man of few words.  I trust that your service to the church continues to be fruitful.  Do I remember correctly that you tend gardens?  If so, may your autumn harvest be bountiful as well.  May the soil be perennially fertile, filled with tender and ripe pome.  May your yields be fructiferous.  May the...the...huh? 

Sorry, lost myself there.  I am overcome by the beauty of the fall day here in the Grove.  ;D

Warrior Monk, I believe we are all still silently and patiently awaiting the progress report and images from Brother Mikael's last crusade.  Although we are all aware that I am not yet a member of the Council, I make a motion to cut Iberian funding.  Would not the currency be better allocated to Brother William and myself...warriors who have clearly documented the work of the Almighty through images over the past several weeks?

Banter respectfully submitted.

SH
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 23, 2008, 03:02:17 PM
I must admit, I too await brother Mikael's images from his last crusade.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 23, 2008, 05:57:08 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 23, 2008, 01:41:05 PM
I believe we are all still silently and patiently awaiting the progress report and images from Brother Mikael's last crusade.  Although we are all aware that I am not yet a member of the Council, I make a motion to cut Iberian funding.  Would not the currency be better allocated to Brother William and myself...warriors who have clearly documented the work of the Almighty through images over the past several weeks?

SH

Beware Frere Mikael, it appears Sister Hatchet has raised a valid point.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 23, 2008, 06:27:10 PM
"Beware"  There is no need to put such a sinister twist on things  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 23, 2008, 11:51:53 PM
me and my brotherin are ready for this saterday's crusade
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 24, 2008, 05:26:00 AM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on October 23, 2008, 11:51:53 PM
me and my brotherin are ready for this saterday's crusade

You have made up my mind for me Brother, I am no longer struggling in the choice between Templar Sergeant black, and a Knight's white......I'll be there in white! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 24, 2008, 06:55:27 AM
Looks as if several of us will be campaigning this weekend....I return to Fairhaven as well.  The sisterin will not be joining me but.....

*giddy with unexpected opportunity and support from M'Lord  ;D*  Clearly, there is nothing that can not be accomplished through fervent prayer.   ;)




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 24, 2008, 09:47:24 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 24, 2008, 05:26:00 AM
I'll be there in white!

YES..yes..yes!  A most excellent decision my brother  ;)




Representing

Behold a few extraordinary image's discovered within the walls of the forums.



(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/104570770x13JRmhCP_Base081011_10082.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/_DSC1755.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/ohio66.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/Frf_081005-31_0346.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/1000s.jpg)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 24, 2008, 10:28:25 AM
very nice representation i must see how many temps i can spot at Garf in April
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 24, 2008, 06:13:00 PM
Great photos Brother William, I recognize a few. The lad's helm in the first photo, I had a chance to purchase in Colorado once, but it's actually quite small in circumference.............don't even go there!!! ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 24, 2008, 06:22:27 PM
Oh come on!!!!!   :-X :-X

It looks like a great fit to me.  I'll take #1 to go please.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 24, 2008, 07:20:00 PM
I had thought Frere William would have made the first comment about cranial circumference challenges, but it appears we now have another Holy/Papal baton carrier... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 25, 2008, 03:39:17 AM
You know what they say about guy's with big heads don't ya???  They wear big helms!



Please observe all lurkers & skulkers..

For most people ( with standard size craniums) its an easy task when selecting the proper size helm.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/thcd642c.jpg)

It's no big deal, as it is usually a one size fits all.  Then your already-assembled-good-to-go-helm can usually be purchased from a wide variety of vendors.













Although for some that exceed the standard size cranium, selecting the proper fitted helm can be somewhat of an extreme challenge. Therefore they must settle for what is only available at times...

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/M30295l.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/bestwhistle.gif)







Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 25, 2008, 11:27:11 AM
bucket helmet hmmmmm i'll let yall know if i see anyone with one of those for sell
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 25, 2008, 12:32:54 PM
Bucket is a understatement there sister ASHley. Thats a genuine wash tub!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 25, 2008, 12:57:36 PM
OOOOH, that's what it's for....I thought it was for ice and beverages  ;)


Regarding my earlier comment, I'm not really interested in the helm, it's Knight #1 I'll take to go  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 25, 2008, 03:38:49 PM
Rofl ff he is kinda nice to look at warrior ff says wrap that one up to go
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 25, 2008, 04:01:40 PM
All Knights brave of heart are a pleasure to set one's gaze upon.  Such blessings we are bestowed!  :D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 25, 2008, 04:59:36 PM
Damn, I just got back to the castle, and it's already up!

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=FT&Date=20081025&Category=PHOTOS&ArtNo=102509996&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=10&template=gallery
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 25, 2008, 07:29:06 PM
Great shot....really.

Not that you require a boost to your ego... ;) :D  Did not realize you EVER took a break from guard duty.   ;)

(as I said in my last post...)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 25, 2008, 07:37:28 PM
I never really too a "break" from guard duty. Maybe from the exposure to direct sunlight, but as you see, the searching gaze of a warrior monk intent on saving distressed pilgrims is readily apparent. Plus I was on the only patch of elevated ground, so as to see the whole operational area.... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 25, 2008, 10:40:44 PM
is that the same as i wasn't sleeping but just checking my eyelids for holes
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 26, 2008, 10:18:01 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on October 25, 2008, 10:40:44 PM
is that the same as i wasn't sleeping but just checking my eyelids for holes


Aaaaaaahhhhh......no.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 26, 2008, 10:19:31 AM
Preceptory Development: North West Alabamia, Kingdom of Florence

Yesterday I woke early with the full intent of linking up with a Brother of the Temple at a remote location on the frontier of North West Alabamia. It had been suggested that there was a gathering of pilgrims at this location once a year, who might benefit from the presence and security provided by Knights of the Temple. A chance to validate the charter that brought the Order into existence; protecting pilgrims.
I arrived early, and had the benefit of walking the grounds, and getting the Lay of the Land. I was personally quite shocked. I was told that all these pilgrims, voluntarily make this pilgrimage once a year, not directed by the church.
Having made appearances at several other settlements (GARF, MZRF, GCRF, and the SCRPF) I was astounded by the lack land available to support such a gathering of 'motivated' pilgrims. I could very well fit all of their "settlement" within the confines of my fortress and surrounding lands. (see MYSPACE photos)
The pilgrims also seemed to carry an air of suspicion with them. They were not as approachable as in other settlements, and there seemed to be a larger number of gypsies.
While there, I encountered the local scribe, who asked if he could present a representation of my efforts, and help share the word of the Order's mission within their encampment. (see new avatar or last link post)
I also made contact with their principality's leader, when he recognized my "colors" and wanted to thank me for my representation of the most famous and feared of the Medieval Military Orders of the Church. He wanted me to know, that before their annual pilgrimage to this settlement, that they hold a themed feast, and have what they know as a "round table" where they exchange bits of medieval history. His topic this year was on the Knights Templar, and his delivery of the topic was known as "The Cursed Magicians". Doomed by the Church and King, but magical enough to keep the myths alive.
I stayed a little over 3 hours, since the ride to and from my preceptory to this distant encampment entailed a 5 hour journey each way. There was a small stop at the Grand Matriach-in-Law's domicile upon reaching a near by county upon my return. (picture also posted)
I failed to make contact with the Brother of the Order who was supposed to represent this region. Part of this was my fault. I assumed that for all his eagerness to appear, that he would have arrived early as well. A note for future gatherings of this kind, set the hour.
So I returned home, not all displeased with the experience, but certainly thinking that things could have gone better.

On a side note, after talking to their head chief, I hit on an idea, that I will discuss with the forum council at a future date.

Pax vobiscum.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 26, 2008, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 25, 2008, 03:39:17 AM
Although for some that exceed the standard size cranium, selecting the proper fitted helm can be somewhat of an extreme challenge. Therefore they must settle for what is only available at times...

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/M30295l.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/bestwhistle.gif)


I will be ordering mine today!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/newhelm.jpg)

;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 26, 2008, 01:15:04 PM
its a 2 hour journey from alabaster, me and my brotherin went left at 8 in the morn, we got there at about lunch and i guess it was just poor timing, i tried to be there exactly for the opening, but STUPID SPORTS TRAFFIC delayed me just enough. WE STOLE THE SHOW with our holy wares. we took at least 300 pictures with everyone. the #of fellow crusaders to show, disappointed me greatly. i saw one with a sharpied latin cross on his tunic. ictures to come soon.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 27, 2008, 09:09:03 AM
Excellent campaign report Warrior Monk. I am sure the pilgrims and the principality's leaders were able to breathe a sigh of relief upon your arrival..and how wise of you to secure the area before departing...and kind of you to share the limelight with the younger brothers.

TJ...I look forward to your pictures.  I will pray for you as well....may you remember to set your alarm clock in the future and may the holy spirit of spell checking descend upon you with many blessings... ;) :D

Another beautiful day in Fairhaven.  My major responsibility was keeping a watchful eye on my companion (*note...this is not M'Lord)  who was keeping his watchful eyes on all the beautiful ladies..as well as celebrating the natal day of a fellow R/F sister (Lady M)

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1575.jpg)

I did have the opportunity to speak with several men of the cloth...

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1580.jpg)

and brothers in training....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1585.jpg)

and here is an unfortunate brother who seems to have lost his resolve....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1582.jpg)

Ave Maria!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 27, 2008, 09:16:10 AM
ff losing control for a second ohhhh is not good
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on October 27, 2008, 10:36:18 AM
Warrior Monk, lose control and free thy spirit.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 27, 2008, 04:46:55 PM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on October 27, 2008, 10:36:18 AM
Warrior Monk, lose control and free thy spirit.

Oh but my spirit is free, just as described by St. Bernard of Clairvaux. ;D

THE LIFE STYLE OF THE KNIGHTS OF THE TEMPLE

And now as a model, or at least for the shame of those knights of ours who are fighting for the devil rather than for God, we will briefly set forth the life and virtues of these cavaliers of Christ. Let us see how they conduct themselves at home as well as in battle, how they appear in public, and in what way the knight of God differs from the knight of the world.

In the first place, discipline is in no way lacking and obedience is never despised. As Scripture testifies, the undisciplined son shall perish and rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, to refuse obedience is like the crime of idolatry. Therefore they come and go at the bidding of their superior. They wear what he gives them, and do not presume to wear or to eat anything from another source. Thus they shun every excess in clothing and food and content themselves with what is necessary. They live as brothers in joyful and sober company, without wives or children. So that their evangelical perfection will lack nothing, they dwell united in one family with no personal property whatever, careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. You may say that the whole multitude has but one heart and one soul to the point that nobody follows his own will, but rather seeks to follow the commander.

They never sit in idleness or wander about aimlessly, but on the rare occasions when they are not on duty, they are always careful to earn their bread by repairing their worn armor and torn clothing, or simply by setting things to order. For the rest, they are guided by the common needs and by the orders of their master.

There is no distinction of persons among them, and deference is shown to merit rather than to noble blood. They rival one another in mutual consideration, and they carry one another's burdens, thus fulfilling the law of Christ. No inappropriate word, idle deed, unrestrained laugh, not even the slightest whisper or murmur is left uncorrected once it has been detected. They foreswear dice and chess, and abhor the chase; they take no delight in the ridiculous cruelty of falconry, as is the custom. As for jesters, magicians, bards, troubadours and jousters, they despise and reject them as so many vanities and unsound deceptions. Their hair is worn short, in conformity with the Apostle's saying, that it is shameful for a man to cultivate flowing locks. Indeed, they seldom wash and never set their hair--content to appear tousled and dusty, bearing the marks of the sun and of their armor.

When the battle is at hand, they arm themselves interiorly with faith and exteriorly with steel rather than decorate themselves with gold, since their business is to strike fear in the enemy rather than to incite his cupidity. They seek out horses which are strong and swift, rather than those which are brilliant and well-plumed, they set their minds on fighting to win rather than on parading for show. They think not of glory and seek to be formidable rather than flamboyant. At the same time, they are not quarrelsome, rash, or unduly hasty, but soberly, prudently and providently drawn up into orderly ranks, as we read of the fathers. Indeed, the true Israelite is a man of peace, even when he goes forth to battle.


I am just in the vocation of freeing the heretic, or Saracen's spirit with the proper leverage provided by three feet of razor sharp Frankish steel!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 27, 2008, 07:19:01 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 27, 2008, 09:09:03 AM
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1585.jpg)

....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1582.jpg)


The young lad in the tunic of the Temple must be of English or Welsh origin. Apparently he has some skills with the Long Bow (light). He is to be commended on his devotion and weapons selection. ;D

As for the man in the robe of the Order (who at this time wears a questionable pirate piece of apparel on his skull), although apparently tested to the limits of one man's endurance (psychologically, and physically through proximity), he must be one of the priests allowed to administer to the Warrior Monks, for he lacks the standard accouterments that go with the position of those who entertain the enemies of the Cross at lance and sword point (mail, helm*, shield, and steel).

A Warrior Monk of any Order casts an "Aura of Fear" through the ocular apertures on his helm, without such a device in place, he's just another smashingly handsome soul making his way though life. ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 28, 2008, 06:50:19 AM
I was suspicious of the authenticity of this "knight" immediately which is why I made the sacrifice and thus put him to the test with my wholly wares. He failed. 

(but was a wonderful sport and a hilarious guy.... :D)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 28, 2008, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 27, 2008, 07:19:01 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 27, 2008, 09:09:03 AM
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1585.jpg)

....




The young lad in the tunic of the Temple must be of English or Welsh origin. Apparently he has some skills with the Long Bow (light). He is to be commended on his devotion and weapons selection.


Don't think that I could of said it any better myself.

Sister Hatchet, Thank you for sharing.  I was unaware you possessed such protective leather, as I am assuming that it is you in the top photo that you posted ..correct? 

Greetings all,

Excuse me my fellow brothers & sisters as I have been extremely busy preparing the fortress for the winter months that lay ahead of us.

I must say, excellent report frere Cliff on your journey to North Western Alabamia, and the words from St. Bernard of Clairvaux most inspirational as one can imagine.  It's unfortunate that you did not make contact with Jesse considering the distance in which you traveled.

For Jesse & frere Mikael (who I hope is in good health)  looking forward to the images.

I did manage to attend a Hallows celebration this last weekend.  My orders were clear, and that was to keep a close eye on the evil fae....

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/2008_1025Image0010.jpg)

and to see how well she played with the others

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/NEW%20Sarah/2008_1025Image0017.jpg)


Pax Vobiscum
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 28, 2008, 02:55:07 PM
Good to hear from you Brother William...was getting worried by your silence.  Good to hear that you were able to resist the charms of your sweet fae's evil doppelgänger.  What a great costume!  Your daughter's companion reminds me of "Claudia" from Interview with a Vampire...   :D

Yes, the top photo tis I.  I really enjoy the mercenary shoulder & cincher....have matching bracers too (Griffin Works Leather). I know it's no where near HA but I get to create my own reality, right?  ;)


p.s.  Could we please stop reposting that photo....it's getting a little embarrassing   ::)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 28, 2008, 03:22:47 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 28, 2008, 02:55:07 PM
p.s.  Could we please stop reposting that photo....it's getting a little embarrassing   ::)

Consider it done
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 28, 2008, 05:48:15 PM
A vote is requested from my esteemed Council of Equals here.

The topic is for your review, and we can vote privately through PM or openly on this forum thread.

http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/?action=view&current=scroll-stock.jpg

There is a desire to work a "Grand Fathered" clause in it for some who might not fit the bill, but these will be entertained by the Council on an individual basis.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 28, 2008, 07:28:49 PM
I think that is a good idea, as long as im seen as a knight of the temple. after all, my garb is derived from many a book, and koh, but i feel koh is so relevent to day's world; therefore my favorite movie. i no the inacuracies in the film, and in some popular books, and my fellow history loving frends no each of their orders. my teutonic frend from some pics a while back is actually from sweeden. ive rambled of point a bit, so  support the name change
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 28, 2008, 08:12:18 PM
I do believe the scribes need to draw up yet another policy scroll....in the name of God, I plead for my own sanity..... :D :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 28, 2008, 08:41:02 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 28, 2008, 05:48:15 PM
A vote is requested from my esteemed Council of Equals here.

The topic is for your review, and we can vote privately through PM or openly on this forum thread.

http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/?action=view&current=scroll-stock.jpg

There is a desire to work a "Grand Fathered" clause in it for some who might not fit the bill, but these will be entertained by the Council on an individual basis.

Warrior Monk,

  Although I am not a Templar, I portray a noble knight from my family of Brune't of Richard I's time,  from my real family history having a Marque in our family whom ran part of his mother Elanore's estates while he was on crusade. I even have historical family pedigree to show my line back to 1188 where our nobility first was recorded. I must say I agree with your assesment of your situation. In deeply researching a specific entity, and putting everything in to it to make it historically correct or as close to, I would grant those the specific privilege of the order. The ones who just use hollywood hype and or garb and say they are this and that it is great and can still have fun, but should be excluded or examined closely to see where their real true heart is in the historical content if wanting to be in said group, until such time they to may want to put the full effort in their research etc.. to really portray history as it was. Nothing wrong with Hollywood garb, since it is flashy and looks cool at times, but it is what it is.

Now, I am not saying that anyone can't dress or say they are this or that, because anyone can do whatever they want to have fun, and that is what it is all about, but to be a part of a living history group and or historical reenactment group, they need to be as accurate as possible and truly know what they are talking about. Otherwise what is the sense. It is no different with all the Jonny Depps as pirate types that came out aftert eh movies or pirates in general. Do it or whatever for fun, but to want to really do it right to be in a specific enactment group which deals in REAL pirate history and dress, one needs to make the sacrafice and delve into the real history in every way. If a group wants to find it ok to have anyone remotely attempting to be for whatever reason, thats cool to. But as you have written, it looks ike certain specifics would like to be met. Just my 2 cents and a friendly observation from someone on the outside.. Please don't shoot the messenger everyone... (lifts shield) LOL

Sir Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 28, 2008, 08:48:23 PM
Quote from: sir clisto on October 28, 2008, 08:41:02 PM
I must say I agree with your assesment of your situation. In deeply researching a specific entity, and putting everything in to it to make it historically correct or as close to, I would grant those the specific privilege of the order. The ones who just use hollywood hype and or garb and say they are this and that it is great and can still have fun, but should be excluded or examined closely to see where their real true heart is in the historical content if wanting to be in said group, until such time they to may want to put the full effort in their research etc.. to really portray history as it was.

Sir Clisto

Lord Clisto I absolutely agree with your post, and you've hit the nail on the head with the above line. Just trying to reward those who've done their homework, and gone the extra mile....to walk in a Warrior Monk's boots! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 28, 2008, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on October 28, 2008, 07:28:49 PM
I think that is a good idea, as long as im seen as a knight of the temple. after all, my garb is derived from many a book, and koh, but i feel koh is so relevent to day's world; therefore my favorite movie. i no the inacuracies in the film, and in some popular books, and my fellow history loving frends no each of their orders. my teutonic frend from some pics a while back is actually from sweeden. ive rambled of point a bit, so  support the name change

Please...share these sources with us,so that we may become more enlightened, for that is what we're trying to accomplish here.

As for your European references, please share those also, especially your Teutonic reference, for I've never seen the likes of a design like that, not even with the Sword Brothers adopted into the Order.

Below is a list of my "ON HAND" references:


1.   God's War, A New History of the Crusades; Christopher Tyerman

2.   The Last Templar, The Tragedy of Jacques de Molay: Alain Demurger

3.   The Knights Templar, A New History: Helen Nicholson

4.   Richard the Lionheart; The Mighty Crusader: D. Miller

5.   The Knights Templar in the Golden Age of Spain; Atienza

6.   The Illustrated History of the Knights Templar; Wasserman

7.   The Crusades: M. Paine

8.   God Wills It: Bartlett

9.   Crusades: T. Madden

10.   Knights: J. Heller

11.   Armour and Weapons: Charles Ffoulkes

12.   The Chronicle History of Knights: A Hopkins

13.   God's Warriors: H. Nicholson

14.   Acre 1291:Osprey Publishing

15.   The 3rd Crusade: Osprey Publishing

16.   Knights Templar: Osprey Publishing

17.   Knights Hospitaller: Osprey Publishing

18.   The 12th Century English Knight: Osprey Publishing

19.   Teutonic Knights: Urban

20.   The Dream And The Tomb: Payne

21.   Knights Templar: S. Howarth

22.   Knights Templar-God's Warriors, The Devil's Bankers: Sarello

23.   The Templars: P. Read

24.   Templars and Assassins: Wassermann

25.   The Templars: E. Burman

26.   Warriors of God: J. Reaston

27.   Northern Crusades: Christensan

28.   The Monks of War: D. Seward

29.   The Knight: Barber

30.   Fighting For Christendom: Tyerman

31.   Dungeon, Fire, and Sword, The Knights Templar in the Crusades: Robinson

32.   Albigensian Crusade: Sumption

33.   The Way of The Crusades: Williams

34.   The Knights Templar: S. Martin

35.   Soldiers of The Faith: Finucane

36.   Warfare In The Middle Ages: R. Humble

37.   Medieval Warfare: Koch

38.   Historical Atlas of The Crusades: A. Konstam

39.   The Rise and Fall of The Knights Templar: G. Napier

40.   Armies of the Crusades: Osprey Publishing

41.   Cathar Castles 1209-1300: Osprey Publishing

42.   Knights Templar Encyclopedia: The Essential Guide to the People, Places, Events, and Symbols of the Order of the Temple: K.Ralls

43.   The Rule of the Templars: J.M.Upton-Ward

44.   The Piebald Standard : Edith Simon

45.   The New Concise History of the Crusades: Thomas F. Madden

46.   The Real History of the Templars : Sharan Newman

47.   The Templars, A complete introduction to the Legendary Monk Warriors: Miguel Gomez

48.   The Knights Templar, Discovering the myth and reality of a legendary Brotherhood: Susie Hodge

49.   The Medieval Soldier : Vesey Norman

50.   Fighting for the Faith : D. Niccole

51.   El Cid; The Making of a Legend : M. J. Trow

52.   Warriors of the Lord: The Military Orders of Christendom : Michael J. Walsh

53.   Battles of the Crusades 1097-1444; from Dorylaeum to Varna : Devries, Dickie, Dougherty, Jestice, Jorgensen, and Pavkovic

54.   The Templars, Holy Warrior Monks of the Ancient Lands : Jack M. Driver

55.   Templar Organization, The Management of Warrior Monasticism : S.T. Bruno

56.   A Most Holy War, The Albigensian Crusade and the Battle for Christiandom: Mark Gregory Pegg 

57.   A to Z of the Knights Templar, A Guide to their History and Legacy: Gordon Napier

58.    Essential Histories; The Crusades : David Nicolle

59.   Battles of the Medieval World 1000-1500, From Hastings to Constantinople: Devries, Dickie, Dougherty, Jestice, Jorgensen, and Pavkovic

60.   Templar Knights and the Crusades; Charles R. Dillon

61.   The Enigma of the Knights Templar: Marilyn Hopkins

62.   The New Knighthood, A History of the Order of the Temple: M. Barber

63.   Knights of Jerusalem, The Crusading Order of Hospitallers 1100-1565: David Nicholle

*Along with personal email contact with two leading Templar historians from the U.K.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 28, 2008, 09:02:35 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 28, 2008, 08:48:23 PM
Quote from: sir clisto on October 28, 2008, 08:41:02 PM
I must say I agree with your assesment of your situation. In deeply researching a specific entity, and putting everything in to it to make it historically correct or as close to, I would grant those the specific privilege of the order. The ones who just use hollywood hype and or garb and say they are this and that it is great and can still have fun, but should be excluded or examined closely to see where their real true heart is in the historical content if wanting to be in said group, until such time they to may want to put the full effort in their research etc.. to really portray history as it was.

Sir Clisto

Lord Clisto I absolutely agree with your post, and you've hit the nail on the head with the above line. Just trying to reward those who've done their homework, and gone the extra mile....to walk in a Warrior Monk's boots! ;D

Exactly!!!! Not taking anything away from the others at all since it is the path they choose that looked cool or they like to see themselves portray. But there are the hard core of us whom go that little extra and want to BE the Knight per sae. Mimicking history takes work, time, research and passion which isnt for everyone.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 28, 2008, 09:04:48 PM
PS - I had added a chapter to my Tome website a few weeks ago on Templars and Hospitalars. Don't know if you have see it or not.

By the way, I am posting an announcement now in a different area here on the new chapters with links.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 28, 2008, 11:44:20 PM
ive read da vinci code(dont poke fun) holy blood holy grail,
46.   The Real History of the Templars : Sharan Newman

13.   God's Warriors: H. Nicholson

and seen any and everthing about medieval anything on the history channels...long with many of online research that ill never be able to credit. i am currently awatng to be inducted in the free masons, but i have to wait 2 more years, till im 21.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 29, 2008, 03:38:12 AM
Quote from: sir clisto on October 28, 2008, 09:02:35 PM
Mimicking history takes work, time, research and passion .


I do agree, although we forgot one...


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 29, 2008, 05:37:42 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Vocab.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 29, 2008, 05:39:54 AM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on October 28, 2008, 11:44:20 PM
ive read da vinci code(dont poke fun) holy blood holy grail,
46.   The Real History of the Templars : Sharan Newman

13.   God's Warriors: H. Nicholson

and seen any and everthing about medieval anything on the history channels...long with many of online research that ill never be able to credit. i am currently awatng to be inducted in the free masons, but i have to wait 2 more years, till im 21.

Neither of the first two have graphic depictions, and the D.C.is a work of fiction.
What type of Crosses are depicted in Helen Nicholson's work? Just a hint....I know already. ;)

The rest of your post explains much...thanks. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 29, 2008, 11:08:17 AM
the same cross you have... over your heart... i like the latin dead center though.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 29, 2008, 01:34:10 PM
just curious TJ, where do you weigh in on the divine feminine?

(BTW....good progress on the editing  ;))
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 29, 2008, 01:42:16 PM
all im saying is i wouldn't mind if certain things in d.c. were real. i do believe i wouldn't, be mad if new discoveries were made about Jesus.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 29, 2008, 01:58:55 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on October 29, 2008, 01:42:16 PM
all im saying is i wouldn't mind if certain things in d.c. were real.

Sorry Jesse, but can you explain a little on what you are referring too here?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 29, 2008, 02:20:08 PM
certain things in the da vinci code
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 29, 2008, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on October 29, 2008, 01:42:16 PM
all im saying is i wouldn't mind if certain things in d.c. were real. i do believe i wouldn't, be mad if new discoveries were made about Jesus.

That's the most pleasurable part of fiction....dreaming about the possibilities

In regards to the issue at hand...

You have an unique opportunity here to learn under the tutelage of some incredibly knowledgeable Brothers of the Temple.  Just like any other designation or title (with the exception to family money and marrying well) time and study are required before you will be recognized in a manner deemed appropriate by the leader and those that have created the reality of this thread.  So you continue to pursue your passion....read, research, develop your character and gain experience through venues such as faire and active participation on this thread.   Ask for feedback and learn what is put before you.  

and as Sir Clisto said, it's also about fun (that's why I'm here  ;D)...enjoy the process as you strive for the privileges (or not!  ;))


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 29, 2008, 02:37:24 PM
now warrior monk im sorry we didnt meet up at florence, but i and my fellow crusaders will be at mobile, i have a house in dauphin island so ill be satying there either friday or saterday night.ill be at the fair both days, seeing how i have no job, and im looking, money is hard, i gess my frends are gunna pull together to help this young scholar go down there
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 29, 2008, 03:03:12 PM
TJ,
I have no problem about not meeting you at the ARF. I did look forward to it, but lost no sleep over it not happening.
The folks on this thread are sharp witted and do there best to help those who seek information, when asked.
Most of us would probably fall in the "Older" crowd where you're concerned, so we have our little idiosyncrasies that set us on edge at times (mine being works of fiction concerning the Order). The benefit of this forum is you can take our advice or leave it...your choice, but I want those guys that put forth some effort in their portrayals to be recognized for it.

BTW, some of us have a strange sense of humor!!!

If you are to be at Mobile, you may want to check with the King: BLAKDUKE.
He throws a wonderful little event down there.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 29, 2008, 03:53:19 PM
well, ive done some research, and now im coming to here to get yalls opinion. steel spaulders on a templar. would a 1306 a.d. templar have these?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 29, 2008, 05:31:29 PM
Historically knights in the early 14th century were known to wear ailettes on their shoulders, usually what most see as small rectangular pieces of armor tied off to the coat. Some carried coats of arms on them.
By 1330 there limited examples of spaulders appearing in effigies, but they look more bowl shaped or clam shelled in appearance.
The type I believe you're referring to (segmented) much like the old lorica Roman Armor, but for the shoulders, appears on the effigy of Sir Robert Hilton in Swine Priory, Yorkshire. He probably died around 1372.
There is even evidence of separate coifs by the 14th century, as displayed by the Trustees of the National Museum of Scotland.
The bottom line to remember is that armor back then wasn't produced on a mass assembly line type basis. Metal smiths took pride in their work, and made advancements as demand probably required. Remember that other than the chain mail haulberk, which probably varied in length from person to person, the armor worn by Templars was donated by entrants and folks wishing to save their souls, so commonality across the board varied. Even locational differences could be expected, ie; Iberia vs Northern Europe, or the Outremer.
It could be that your 14th century persona, encountered these spaulders early than the main stream, if that's the way you'd want to go.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 29, 2008, 05:55:43 PM
thanks. this helps alot, so far in the game assassins creed, i have found no wrongs in armor. story wise, not so much. i wore spaulders on sat, i new i was pushing it, but....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 29, 2008, 07:05:56 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on October 29, 2008, 05:55:43 PM
thanks. this helps alot, so far in the game assassins creed, i have found no wrongs in armor. story wise, not so much.

Funny you should mention the game A.C. As some of my forum Brothers can attest to, I refuse to play it, because of the fact that you're an Islamic extremist, bent on killing the Templar Grand Master. (one of my idiosyncrasies)

It has a certain disturbing message and tone along with some extreme historical inaccuracies that make the game unbalanced in its claim to be historically inspired.

It's by far the greatest inaccuracy is its portrayal of the Knights Templars.

The Knights Templars were started by Hugh de Paynes and a group of knights around 1118, as the Poor fellow soldiers of Jesus Christ and were going to be originally a purely monastic order that worshipped Christ in the holy land, however the Patriarch of Jerusalem along with the King wished for them to remain a knightly order and carry out those obligations as well and so they did. The King of Jerusalem gave them the old site of the Temple of Solomon as their HQ and out of this their name was born. These knightly duties were to protect the roads the pilgrims travelled to the holy shrines and to make war on the 'Saracens' when it occurred. These duties were by and large fulfilled by the Templars during their entire existence in the Holy land.
Now this extremely Christian Order did have its weaknesses it occasionally gave in to the pride of war and wanted to be the first in the Charge and this weakness was most greatly shown in their overzealous attack in Hattin which ended in complete failure and loss of Jerusalem. However this was due to a period of mismanagement by the leader of the Order at the time Gerard of Ridefort, the Templars could have times of an overzealous nature or a more pragmatic and tolerant one, which they had taken before and quickly after his leadership.
Now with Assassins Creed, although a fictional game so of course can take artistic license, it has decided to go completely against the true history of the Templars in every way, and the other religious Orders, from a devoutly religious group who wanted to protect Christians to a horrible corrupt group of anti religious bigots that want to take over the world. There needs to be mention that during Richard's campaign he heavily relied on the new Templar leader Robert de Sablé and the Templars protected the entire front column of Richards army while the heroic march down the coast to meet and defeat Saladin in the Arsuf woods. Historically if the Templars wanted to defeat Richard they could have just left the field and he would have been demolished not before weakening Saladin and getting what they wanted.
This kind of Templar bashing is strange as it has arisen in current media whenever they are portrayed, the Templars weakest moment was in the 1180's just before and after Hattin. This is the time that the media wishes to show the Templars at their weakest then manipulate their image to be either their worst or something they are not. Kingdom of Heaven is another good example of this false image. If you look where the criticism come from this time Ubisoft a French institution, its interesting to note that it was the French who did away with the Templars. This was down to false claims of heresy in which no evidence was found but it coincided with the time when the King needed their money power and land due to the reckless way in which he governed, so perhaps the French looking back at their history don't like to admit their actions of persecution and torture of members of a devoutly Christian Order so manipulate it to a lie they are comfortable with.


Also see uniform depictions of the cross on Sable's tunic!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 29, 2008, 07:29:29 PM
yes i know i still loooove the game as silly as the story is, just because of how technologically advanced it is. the costumes, besides the templar crosses, are still impeccable. and i think its kool to see Museum Replicas making assassins creed garb. OH BY ThE WAy. at the fair, i was walking around, when all of a sudden a goth kid wearing a black trench coat said, templar, i am altair, a assassin, and i must kill you. i wanted to vomit. wearing my great helm, i turned my nose to him and just walked away embarrassed. my friend continued to talk to him, but i did not respect him enough to continue a conversation wit him.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 09:34:05 AM
 ;D ;D ;D i know i know i'm off to do pentance not my fault i dreamed it but ohhh but it was a good one.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 30, 2008, 09:47:27 AM
What?! ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 09:52:09 AM
Ok Militissa, I'll bite.  What was your dream about?

(assuming that your dream is in no way "of the flesh"....wouldn't want to expose myself to that!)


and Confrere Jesse, (*stepping out of character*) your story of the interaction at faire perfectly illustrates my firm belief that we create our own reality.  You drew the assassin to yourself by putting your energy and intellect into a game that perpetuates a disturbing message.  Yes?


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 30, 2008, 10:23:59 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 09:34:05 AM
;D ;D ;D i know i know i'm off to do pentance not my fault i dreamed it but ohhh but it was a good one.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Huh?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 10:57:03 AM
Come on Lady De Pond, tell us.

You had a dream about Warrior Monk and Brother William in goth garb, right?


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 11:41:02 AM
rofl no ff not about them about a certain dream guy who showed up unexpectedly in my dreams
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 30, 2008, 11:45:38 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 11:41:02 AM
rofl no ff not about them about a certain dream guy who showed up unexpectedly in my dreams

TJ?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 30, 2008, 12:04:59 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 30, 2008, 11:45:38 AM
TJ?
Yall might be cute together!  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/kissthefrog.gif)



Perhaps it was this guy...

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1582.jpg)

and maybe a little menaje twa in the works??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 12:18:10 PM
Brother William!!!  :o :o

please, we're exploring Lady De Pond's dream.....not yours  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 30, 2008, 12:27:50 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 01:38:39 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 30, 2008, 12:04:59 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on October 30, 2008, 11:45:38 AM
TJ?
Yall might be cute together!  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/kissthefrog.gif)



Perhaps it was this guy...

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1582.jpg)

and maybe a little menaje twa in the works??

one whos tj? two that fellow in ff's pic does nothing for me.


Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 12:18:10 PM
Brother William!!!  :o :o

please, we're exploring Lady De Pond's dream.....not yours  ;)
Rofl ff good one
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 30, 2008, 01:55:24 PM
Still not confessing as to who this dream guy is, are ya?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 02:09:53 PM
...but how to glean a confession from Lady De Pond?   ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 02:18:30 PM
rofl now if i confessed who dream guy is that would spoil my suprise
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 30, 2008, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 02:09:53 PM
...but how to glean a confession from Lady De Pond?   ???


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 02:39:06 PM
to whom will the surprise belong, Lady De Pond?  Your dream knight or to those of us on this thread?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 03:22:41 PM
the suprise shall yall on this thread my dream knight well i wouldn't be suprised if he already knows that he is my dream knight
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 30, 2008, 03:33:48 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 03:22:41 PM
the suprise shall yall on this thread my dream knight

Huh?

Is it ...

David Hasselhoff in a pair of speedo's???


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or


Richard Simmons in a pile of veggies??


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BTW..These images will be Destroyed in less than 24 hours, if not sooner


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on October 30, 2008, 03:37:57 PM
Truly disturbing.....I shall sleep now, perchance not to dream.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 03:42:14 PM
Ahhhhh....my eyes, my eyes!!!

*SH goes to her happy place*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 03:46:55 PM
 :o :o :o ohhhh my eyes my eyes
warrior are you trying to burn my poor eyes out
i said KNIGHT not old fart and gay guy
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 30, 2008, 03:49:41 PM
Gay? Who's gay??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 04:00:00 PM
I believe what Lady De Pond is trying to say is that she prefers a gentleman who is not keenly alive and exuberant nor does she wish that he suffer from chronic gastrointestinal upset    ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on October 30, 2008, 04:18:43 PM
What say ye, Sister Hatchet? Surely a corpse, the fair lady doth not seek!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 04:00:00 PM
I believe what Lady De Pond is trying to say is that she prefers a gentleman who is not keenly alive and exuberant nor does she wish he to suffer from gastrointestinal upset    ;D

yess thank you ff for phrasing it for me
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on October 30, 2008, 04:18:43 PM
What say ye, Sister Hatchet? Surely a corpse, the fair lady doth not seek!

perhaps not that cold, good Sir, but definitely just as rigid   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 30, 2008, 05:34:18 PM
just putting it out there, assassins creed has nothing to do with my garb, i had the garb first. i just liked the theme of the game, cuz they dont make enough medieval games. am i TJ?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 06:24:30 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 04:00:00 PM
I believe what Lady De Pond is trying to say is that she prefers a gentleman who is not keenly alive and exuberant nor does she wish he to suffer from gastrointestinal upset    ;D

yess thank you ff for phrasing it for me


At your service M'Lady, just call me the vocabulator
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 06:25:35 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on October 30, 2008, 05:34:18 PM
am i TJ?

hmmmm i don't know if you are your cute but younger than my taste but he's not my knight either
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 06:28:09 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on October 30, 2008, 05:34:18 PM
am i TJ?

yes dear, your abbreviated screen name

Example; SH = Sister Hatchet  ;D

and, understood regarding your garb.  But please, roll dice, it's healthier.   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 30, 2008, 06:31:31 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on October 30, 2008, 06:25:35 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on October 30, 2008, 05:34:18 PM
am i TJ?

hmmmm i don't know if you are your cute but younger than my taste but he's not my knight either

No offense Lady De Pond but a thread highjacking seems forthcoming.  I suggest we continue the discussion of your steamy dream in another venue before Warrior Monk begins lighting the torches .... ;) :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 30, 2008, 06:34:09 PM
ROFL I cant wait to crusade tomarrow night, against all heathens.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 31, 2008, 08:57:09 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 31, 2008, 09:33:02 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 31, 2008, 10:31:35 AM
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This Sunday, November 2, 2008
____________________________________________________

7-8pm -- Lost Worlds - Knights Templar.

They defended the Holy Land through bloodshed and prayer. Founded in
the 12th century, these Christian warrior monks reigned supreme for
nearly 200 years before suffering a spectacular fall from grace. Tried
for heresy, they were disbanded and their Grand Master burned at the
stake. We'll search behind the legend for their lost world. We
recreate the city they knew as Tortosa--now hidden among modern homes
in the Syrian city of Tartus. We reveal secrets of their headquarters
at Temple Mount in Jerusalem, with magnificent underground vaults that
could stable 1,000 horses. And we visit the circular church in London
built to resemble the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and
the site of the Templar's mysterious initiation rites. We bring to
life the hilltop fortress that Lawrence of Arabia called "the finest
castle in the world", and return to the Mediterranean island where the
Knights Templars made their last stand against Moslem enemies.



This Monday, November 3, 2008
____________________________________________________

8-9pm -- Knights Templar -
The Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon, founded to
protect Christians on pilgrimage, quickly belied its name becoming the
most powerful and wealthiest religious order, rumored to possess the
Holy Grail. Yet, in the end they stood accused of devil worship. Were
the Knights Templar betrayed by the Pope or their own greed?


Be There! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/popcorn.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 31, 2008, 10:40:48 AM
hmmm must tivo it
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 31, 2008, 10:46:13 AM
Do you think this documentary will include the most recently published/revealed Templar prayer?


(no cable for us  :'()
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 31, 2008, 01:26:28 PM
I'm moved this day, the Eve of All Hallows, to share some of the Order of the Hatchet's sacred dogma,

And whosoever shall be found
Without the soul for getting down
Must stand and face the hounds of hell
And rot inside a corpses shell

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 31, 2008, 01:50:59 PM
Since we're sharing lyrics...

(Who dares battle the Saracen)

Crusader, crusader, please take me with you
The battle lies far to the east
Crusader, crusader, don't leave me alone
I want to ride out on your quest
I'm waiting, I'm waiting, to stand by your side
To fight with you over the sea
They're calling, they're calling, I have to be there
The holy land has to be free

Fight the good fight
Believe what is right
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm
Fight the good fight
With all your might
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm

We're marching, we're marching, to a land far from home
No one can say who'll return
For Christendom's sake, we'll take our revenge
On the pagans from out of the east
We Christians are coming, with swords held on high
United by faith and the cause
The Saracen heathen will soon taste our steel
Our standards will rise 'cross the land

Fight the good fight
Believe what is right
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm
Fight the good fight
With all your might
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm

To battle, to battle, the Saracen hordes
We follow the warrior king
Onward, ride onward, into the fight
We carry the sign of the cross
Warlords of England, Knights of the Realm
Spilling their blood in the sand
Crusader, crusader, the legend is born
The future will honour your deeds

Fight the good fight
Believe what is right
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm
Fight the good fight
With all your might
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm

(Come Crusader let battle commence)

Fight the good fight
Believe what is right
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm

Fight the good fight
Believe what is right
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm
Crusader, the Lord of the Realm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on October 31, 2008, 02:01:50 PM
And tomorrow is the Festival of Samhain.

The veil thins, the bone fire roars
With friends and those who walked before.

The wheel has turned the cycle renewed
Oh, good green Earth with life infused.

Go forth from here in coming year,
And tell all with willing ear

The Tribe is multiplied and strong
Those who sing the ancient song.

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin

Celtic Brothers and Sisters united!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 31, 2008, 03:15:53 PM
Warrior Monk....I bet you can recite that in Latin too....  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 31, 2008, 03:51:57 PM
ff i bet he can too
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 31, 2008, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 31, 2008, 03:15:53 PM
Warrior Monk....I bet you can recite that in Latin too....  ;D

It's the purtiest thing you ever heard  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 31, 2008, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 31, 2008, 03:15:53 PM
Warrior Monk....I bet you can recite that in Latin too....  ;D
;)

Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on October 31, 2008, 03:51:57 PM
ff i bet he can too
:P

Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 31, 2008, 04:26:32 PM
It's the purtiest thing you ever heard  ;)
;D

I leave you all with......


( quisnam praesumo pugna Saracen )

Peregrinus , peregrinus , commodo take mihi vobis pugna lies recedentia ut oriens Peregrinus , peregrinus don't licentia mihi unus Volo ut veho sicco in vestri quest I'm exspecto I'm exspecto , subsisto per vestri pars Pugno vobis super profundum They're dico they're dico , EGO have subsisto sanctus terra has ut exsisto solvo

Pugna bonus pugna Puto iustum Peregrinus , Senior of Regnum Pugna bonus pugna Per totus vestri vires Peregrinus , Senior of Regnum

We're proficiscor we're proficiscor , ut a terra recedentia domo Nemo can narro who'll reverto Pro Christendom's sake we'll take nostrum ultionis In paganus ex ex oriens Nos Christians es coming , per mucro held sublime Iunctus per fides quod causa Saracen gentilitas mos nunc sapor nostrum chalybs Nostrum vexillum mos orior oriri ortus 'cross terra

Pugna bonus pugna Puto iustum Peregrinus , Senior of Regnum Pugna bonus pugna Per totus vestri vires Peregrinus , Senior of Regnum

Ut pugna , ut pugna , Saracen thesaurus Nos insisto proeliator rex rgis Onward , veho onward , in pugna Portamus subcribo of crux crucis Warlords of England , Miles militis of Regnum Spilling suum cruor in sand Peregrinus , peregrinus , legend est prognatus posterus mos veneratio vestri res

Pugna bonus pugna Puto iustum Peregrinus , Senior of Regnum Pugna bonus pugna Per totus vestri vires Peregrinus , Senior of Regnum

( adveho Peregrinus permissum pugna ineo )

Pugna bonus pugna Puto iustum Peregrinus , Senior of Regnum Peregrinus , Senior of Regnum Pugna bonus pugna Puto iustum Peregrinus , Senior of Regnum Peregrinus , Senior of Regnum
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 01, 2008, 12:39:00 AM
Told ya it was purty! Enrique Iglesias couldn't even pull that off brother! Just try to control yourselves ladies....just try and control yourselves

The image that was displayed here of the womans panties thrown upon the stage during frere Cliffs live performance in Paris has been removed by suggestion.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Funny%20Pictures/myspace-graphics-funny-pictures430.jpg)



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 01, 2008, 08:21:45 AM
hey....I've been looking for those!!!!  :D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 01, 2008, 08:46:52 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/popeb.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 01, 2008, 10:12:34 AM
Rofl sorry i couldn't get my shoe off fast enough to toss those at him
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 01, 2008, 11:55:01 AM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on October 29, 2008, 07:29:29 PM
OH BY ThE WAy. at the fair, i was walking around, when all of a sudden a goth kid wearing a black trench coat said, templar, i am altair, a assassin, and i must kill you. i wanted to vomit. wearing my great helm, i turned my nose to him and just walked away embarrassed. my friend continued to talk to him, but i did not respect him enough to continue a conversation wit him.

I meant to address this earlier, but got wrapped up in the thread spiralling out of ethical control! ;) :P ;D

Why did you not demand the annual amount that is due? I am sure you were aware of the historical nature of such a confrontation.

The Templars had been at war with the Assassins. When in 1152 the Assassins murdered Raymond, Comte de Tripoli, the Templars entered their territory and forced them to sign a treaty by which they were to pay a yearly tribute of 12,000 gold pieces in expiation of the crime.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 01, 2008, 12:27:05 PM
Yes, but his lack of knowledge in the subject, and how hard headed he looked, i just walked away and let my friend talk to him.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 01, 2008, 12:54:07 PM
Templar Jesse....what happened to your adventure?  Did you make it to faire?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 01, 2008, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on November 01, 2008, 12:27:05 PM
i just walked away and let my friend talk to him.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 01, 2008, 10:56:41 PM
Rofl i love that warrior
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 02, 2008, 09:14:35 AM
Sister Hatchet spends the day praying (and feasting  ;)) for the faithful departed

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 02, 2008, 07:48:09 PM
Wishing everyone on this thread a splendid week!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 02, 2008, 09:38:29 PM
Thank you my brother. May all be blessed by good health and good spirits this week.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 03, 2008, 11:21:42 PM
Back at all my knightly brothers and sisters. I am getting well each day from this cursed strep. Going to be a great day Tuesday in the 70's. Record breaking for here. I pray the rest of you well and hope your week is resting from crusade.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 04, 2008, 09:22:37 AM
we shall pray for your speady recovery Sir Clisto it's warm here already
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on November 04, 2008, 10:12:32 AM
Weather has been nice here supposed to get rain and colder weather here this weekend. Wishing you a speedy recovery Sir Clisto.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 04, 2008, 01:42:17 PM
Brother William....is that you in the last image you posted?

also, has any of the Council received word from Brother Mikael?  I hope that he is well, and send my good wishes to all


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 04, 2008, 03:24:05 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 04, 2008, 01:42:17 PM
Brother William....is that you in the last image you posted?


1.) It could be me at a Banner Rally & Competition

2.) It could be someone that wishes they were as good looking as me

3.) It could be actor extrodinaire "David Thewlis" portraying the coolest Hospitaller ever from the movie Kingdom of Heaven
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 04, 2008, 04:08:42 PM
Too easy..... #2....   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 04, 2008, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on November 02, 2008, 09:38:29 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Hospitaler-KoH-34.jpg)

I was for sure thinking, that this was a member of the United Kingdom's chapter of the Frere William Marcus reenactors.......they're gaining in support and numbers. ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 04, 2008, 05:10:06 PM
I"m voting 2 as well
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 04, 2008, 05:25:41 PM
Cut it out will ya!  It's #3.."David Thewlis" portraying the coolest Hospitaller ever from the movie Kingdom of Heaven... "wishing he was as good looking as mwa!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Hospitaler-KoH-29.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 04, 2008, 06:13:13 PM
I dunno.......there's still some doubt......... ???

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 05, 2008, 11:21:24 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/3x5crossburgeeAdvSpec.jpg)



Maybe perhaps..its because we both were riding under the same colors at the time??



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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 05, 2008, 01:27:58 PM
well, that must be it but there is a resemblance all the same.

I think WM doctored the helms in his last post....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 05, 2008, 06:05:42 PM
I'm a Warrior Monk not a graphic artist Jim.... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 05, 2008, 10:03:36 PM
me and my frends on halloween. i guess playing around before mobile ren fair.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 06, 2008, 07:45:21 AM
Most excellent Jesse! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/grinning-smiley-004.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 06, 2008, 09:38:40 AM
i agree great group Jesse
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 06, 2008, 09:41:12 AM
Do each own their apparel, or do they borrow from your stores?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 06, 2008, 11:54:59 AM
I know it's late, but they have their "boogey man" too.......

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 06, 2008, 02:21:41 PM
to each his own, my personal army grows with every frend i can convince. each one of us has our own reason for what we are
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 06, 2008, 07:06:26 PM
You are to be commended for your recruiting efforts. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 06, 2008, 08:13:54 PM
Now I may be splitting hairs...but..I was under the impression that it was not permitted to have long flowing Fabio-like tresses? Facial hair is ok but everything has to be neat and tidy.  Is that true?


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 06, 2008, 09:06:06 PM
The lad with the long hair, sports the "reasonable facsimile" surcoat of the Teutonic Order, and thus, although probably governed by much of the original example set by the Templar Rule, may have taken liberties while deployed and exposed to pagan influences in the Crusades of Northern Europe. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 06, 2008, 09:20:03 PM
I see, much like your visage upon return from your most recent foray into the outremer?   ;D ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 06, 2008, 09:27:53 PM
According to the "Rule": hair was to be kept short, but a beard was acceptable, due to the nature of interaction and beliefs of the Outremer locals. See Rule statute #21
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 07, 2008, 12:37:56 AM
hes from sweeden, he likes vikings too
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 07, 2008, 10:06:19 AM
Ya..Das good!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 08, 2008, 07:09:57 AM
sweeden huh? Interesting....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 08, 2008, 09:55:11 AM
I used to dream in Valkyrian, of course this was before I was exorcised by Brother William

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Goddess/Valkyries.jpg)

(that's me, second back, behind my girl, Freya  ;))
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 08, 2008, 10:17:18 AM
I guess there's something to be said for pagan possession. ;)

It is an interesting history of how the wandering monks converted the Norse minded pagans. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 08, 2008, 10:32:40 AM
 :D with the tip of a sword right
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 08, 2008, 10:40:49 AM
I would guess the conversion was not quite so aggressive...given that it sounds as if the Christian monks were working solo.  Can you give us a brief synopsis Warrior Monk?

QuoteI guess there's something to be said for pagan possession

Flying mounts, magic bracers, great hair and fabulous threads....what could be better?   ;D :D

It may not be easily seen by my avatar but I have a pretty cool metal helm-type headpiece that was made by a blacksmith outside of Asheville that smacks of the Valkyries. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 08, 2008, 10:47:19 AM
Lady ASHley, I was referring to the conversion of those NORSE followers on the British Isle (earlier Saxon, Angles, Jutes travelers, as well as Celts, Picts, and Roman left overs) It was all just a matter of word association. Your God is my God, you just call him something different, as well as lesser dieties mirroring Saints. I believe Thomas Paine summed it up best with his assessment of Christianity. (I'll leave that for your homework for the weekend)

But the tips and edges of "Frankish" steel worked well for the Teutonic Order in their conversion of the "less theologically fortunate". ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 08, 2008, 11:11:57 AM
what a fun assignment, you really should be teaching history too (and be compensated for it)

"Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he [man] does not believe."


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 08, 2008, 11:56:38 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 08, 2008, 11:11:57 AM
what a fun assignment, you really should be teaching history too (and be compensated for it)

You are all too kind with your appraisal, or just easily amused. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 08, 2008, 01:28:50 PM
During his imprisonment, Paine embarked on his third influential work, The Age of Reason (London and Boston, 1794-95). A deist manifesto to the core, Paine acknowledged his debt to Newton and declared that nature was the only form of divine revelation, for God had clearly established a uniform, immutable and eternal order throughout creation. Paine rejected Christianity, denied that the Bible was the revealed word of God, condemned many of the Old Testament stories as immoral and claimed that the Gospels were marred by discrepancies. There was nothing really that new in Paine's argument, but the bitterness of his attack on the Christian churches and his attempt to preach deism to the masses made him more enemies than before-----Note the research does not reflect same views as the postieee
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 08, 2008, 01:40:50 PM
Very good young Padawan.
I was mearly referring to some of the following points of his, that I've shared off line with other revered Thread contibutors.

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. he Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun (hence my reference to pagan conversion, but it is covered in more detail in one of my tomes) , in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun."
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 08, 2008, 02:29:20 PM
No one could dispute that nature is divine after walking in my woods today!  Gorgeous autumn day.  A daily walk is a part of my spiritual practice.  :)

What tome are you referring to Warrior Monk?

Excellent work Militissa....and I acknowledge your differing beliefs.   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 08, 2008, 02:39:41 PM
anyone going to mobile in a week
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 08, 2008, 02:51:44 PM
Fighting for the Faith was the one, if memory serves me correctly.





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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 08, 2008, 03:52:28 PM
i concur.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 08, 2008, 04:49:52 PM
Warrior Monk...do you think you could reverse the sequence of pictures, that would be helpful.  ;)

I'm not going to mobile but want to go to sweeden.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 08, 2008, 06:18:00 PM
not crossing the alabama line anytime soon that i'm aware of sorry TJ
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 08, 2008, 09:32:04 PM
FYI:

Lady Lefay was out today, and found a book that I might share with my young sword swinger, and I thought that those of you who have younglings who share a similar interest might enjoy such a book for the Holidays.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Bookcover.jpg)

Product description:

Here's the ultimate guide for the novice knight, covering everything from sieges to swordplay, feasts to fights and crusades to courtly love! Written in a lively, humorous and engaging style, it's packed with informative historical detail, and brings the period of medieval knights vividly to life. Wittily illustrated by Ian McNee, this is the handbook that every chivalrous young knight will want to have tucked in his chainmail.


It even has a section for "Us"!  ;) ;D

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 09, 2008, 12:56:28 AM
Finally pictures from the alabama renaissance festival in florence
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ye olden myspace
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 09, 2008, 07:51:24 AM
Good to see them! I'm sure your next focus on purchasing will be in the brais/chausses and foot gear department. I see from the length of your Nordic companion that he may very well be at least 6'2-3" in size.  Always a hassle when purchasing items of historical significance. Did he also paint his sugar loaf helm at one time? I note the sword of Odo also.

The lad with the Raven banner was a hoot to chat with that day.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 09, 2008, 11:36:01 AM
Indeed Jesse, thanks for sharing .

Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 08, 2008, 04:49:52 PM
Warrior Monk...do you think you could reverse the sequence of pictures, that would be helpful.  ;)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/jpshakehead.gif)  Better get them dollars ready then sister!  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icon_jokercolor.gif)



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 09, 2008, 11:42:58 AM
i was acyually wearing braies and chauses that day, im selling my chainmail chauses on ebay rite now
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 09, 2008, 11:58:11 AM
Whats wrong with the maile chausses Jesse?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 09, 2008, 12:16:38 PM
the are knee height and i dont know how to fasten them
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 09, 2008, 01:18:34 PM

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/jessemims/P1070953.jpg)
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on November 09, 2008, 07:51:24 AM
Good to see them! I'm sure your next focus on purchasing will be in the brais/chausses and foot gear

footwear indeed in this pic TJ doesn't look like he has any feet at all
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on November 09, 2008, 01:29:09 PM
Thanks for sharing the excellent picutres Templar Jesse
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 09, 2008, 01:36:18 PM
your welcome, more to come on saterday, of mobile
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 09, 2008, 08:46:45 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on November 09, 2008, 12:16:38 PM
the are knee height and i dont know how to fasten them

You mean,  you have 'over the calf maile socks that are quitters??  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 10, 2008, 01:22:48 PM
Fun pictures Templar Jesse....it looks as if you and your companions made the most out of your faire day!  :D  Hope next weekend is equally enjoyable.

What was the story with the guy carrying the raven banner?  and the yellow cross monk? 

Quotenot crossing the alabama line anytime soon
Lady De Pond....sounds like you're having trouble with the law again... ;)

QuoteBetter get them dollars ready then sister! 
I always am prepared to make the appropriate tithes.  And thank you Brother William for acknowledging my inappropriateness.  I hate it when WM purposefully ignores me!  :P

The Grove has been struck by a vile plague...send the Hospitallers forthwith!  :(  I need healing by Saturday!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 10, 2008, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion link=topic=72.msg84616#msg84616

quote]not crossing the alabama line anytime soon
Lady De Pond....sounds like you're having trouble with the law again... ;)
[/quote]

nope i'm being good this time  ;D I just don't have any reason to drive west
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 10, 2008, 02:23:36 PM
Suuuuuuuuuure thats what they all say.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 10, 2008, 02:43:03 PM
 ::) maybe i should go west and get some fireworks for my brother's wedding  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 10, 2008, 04:04:06 PM
  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/south008.gif)    So..transporting fireworks across state lines huh?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 10, 2008, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 10, 2008, 01:22:48 PM
I hate it when WM purposefully ignores me!  :P

Never purposefully. ;) I have writings that must be recorded obviously.....not work for one that is weak of heart!  :P

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You may have also brought that plague down upon yourself. Judgement was apparently swift! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 10, 2008, 06:27:03 PM
Well done!  The volume number is a nice touch.   :D

As I've always asserted, I live to serve.

And regarding the plague, what was that I was saying about creating my own reality???   :P


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 10, 2008, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on November 10, 2008, 04:04:06 PM
  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/south008.gif)    So..transporting fireworks across state lines huh?
trust me it's legal now ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 11, 2008, 05:39:35 AM
Perhaps the Militissa is referring to a different type of fireworks?  ;)  (of which some variations remain illegal in the bible belt states....)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 11, 2008, 07:21:26 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 11, 2008, 05:39:35 AM
Perhaps the Militissa is referring to a different type of fireworks?  ;)  (of which some variations remain illegal in the bible belt states....)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 11, 2008, 08:23:17 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 11, 2008, 05:39:35 AM
Perhaps the Militissa is referring to a different type of fireworks? 

Um...sparklers?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 11, 2008, 02:30:25 PM
Sister Hatchet would like to take a break from debauchery to seriously reflect in gratitude for our veterans

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Valor is stability, not of legs and arms, but of courage and the soul.  ~Michel de Montaigne


Thank you Warrior Monk.  I honor you and your family.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 11, 2008, 02:42:31 PM
I thank you for the kind thoughts, but I am unworthy. Please share these warm regards with my Brothers and Sisters who continue to face off with a cowardly enemy, and their families who make the unknown sacrifices behind the scenes. God bless them!
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A country that forgets it's warriors, will itself be forgotten......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 11, 2008, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on November 11, 2008, 02:42:31 PM
Please share these warm regards with my Brothers and Sisters who continue to face off with a cowardly enemy, and their families who make the unknown sacrifices behind the scenes.

yes....this is exactly "your family" that I was referring to.  I know how extended it is.  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 11, 2008, 05:00:56 PM
wooooo yes thankyou all those who serve ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 11, 2008, 05:40:51 PM
Saw this, had to share....

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Go_Templar-2.jpg)



*plus I made him right handed......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on November 11, 2008, 08:43:46 PM
Fear not, dear friends!!! All is well, just got tired of using the POS laptop (well, and we've been on the run just about every weekend!). My daughter had to get tubes in her ears, all is good there and she's talking A LOT more now! Still got the pics of Frere Hospitaller to upload, as well as some pics of the big comic book convention we had here last weekend. I had a table and did sketches all weekend...I mean ALL weekend!!! It was a big success. I pitched my idea for the knights comic I'm working on, and it got a lot of interest. Let's see...what else...OH! I KNOW!!!!!

I GOT A NEW FREAKING COMPUTER!!!!!!!!

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll51/TexasTemplar/Photo1.jpg)



Brand spanking new MacBook Pro. The artist in me is geeking out, big time. So, I've missed everyone terribly, and hopefully will be more active now.


Oh, and Frere William...I used your chainmail aging technique on my helm. I look all aged and worn now!!!! WOOHOOO!!!!!!  I'll also have to post Halloween pics. Wait till you see our cutesy couples' costume.  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 11, 2008, 10:58:31 PM
wats the aging tecnique?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 12, 2008, 03:51:13 AM
Blessed is our good fortune that you are in good health brother Mikael!  It pleases me emmencly to here your in good spirits, and that god has granted your presence here again.

Now onward...

Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on November 11, 2008, 08:43:46 PM
Oh, and Frere William...I used your chainmail aging technique on my helm. I look all aged and worn now!!!!

Wow..you used the aging technique on your helm???  Haven't attempted that yet,  just on maile. I gotta see the final results on your helm!

Congrats on the new Computer too brother, and the comic project as well.  Will you be able to share some of your sketches with us?   

Would  love to see them

Now, lets see if we can get some of those overdue pictures posted brother ....


Schnell fra Mikael..schnell!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 12, 2008, 04:25:28 AM
(http://www.rosslyntemplars.org.uk/images/Knights_Templar2.gif)

Got my copy of Arn, the Knight Templar   from overseas finally. The movie rocks!!!! Not in English, but it is one you have to get. It is region 2, but I have a portable that plays all regions. Hooked it up to the big TV and it was awsome. I highly recommend it to all my knightly Brothers and Sisters.

Lord Sir Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 12, 2008, 04:31:39 AM
I liked it too. and am currently waiting for the second movie of the series to be released on DVD since it was released in theaters in August of this year.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 12, 2008, 04:33:58 AM
Yes, I only wish it would come here and be subbed in English then I would re-buy it as well as any others.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 12, 2008, 08:08:33 AM
Great to see you back Brother Mikael.....can't wait to see all your pictures and hearty congratulations on the progress of your creative endeavors!  :) :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 12, 2008, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: sir clisto on November 12, 2008, 04:25:28 AM
Got my copy of Arn, the Knight Templar   from overseas finally. The movie rocks!!!! Not in English, but it is one you have to get. It is region 2, but I have a portable that plays all regions. Hooked it up to the big TV and it was awsome. I highly recommend it to all my knightly Brothers and Sisters.
Lord Sir Clisto

Already seen it as well. Liked it and await the second movie. I agree that I would purchase a second copy of the original if it were subtitled in English.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/arn.jpg)

Might have to watch it again today!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 12, 2008, 11:35:11 AM
Rumor has it, once the second movie is released in DVD format, both will make their USA debut......until then, my sources are on the look out for their second opportunity! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 12, 2008, 02:48:57 PM
wats the chainmail aging tech.?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 12, 2008, 03:11:01 PM
Directions from Frere William (aka: "The Draper") ;)

Soak it in white vinegar till it quits bubbling or to your discretion. The bubbling looks like little tiny fizzy bubbles. It takes a whiles 3-5 hours to complete its magic.

Make sure to periodically move the coif around in the vinegar especially if your doing it in a bucket. You will notice parts of the metal that doesn't received the vinegar as much as other area as some spots of it will still appear shiney.

When your satisfied with the look. Remove and  DRY COMPLETELY with towels.

Once you feel it is dried completely coat it heavily with WD-40.

I hung mine, and check on it everyday. I have noticed a little rust (and I mean a little) around my rivets.

I also use a steel brush on mine as well in certain areas to remove small amounts of rust.  It really looks good!

I have also towel patted mine here in the last couple of days to remove any excess oil and now it's ready to wear.

With this process it will have to be oiled after any outing especially if it subjected to heavy sweat as you can imagine.  A small sacrifice for such a great look!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 12, 2008, 06:15:11 PM
wd40 is water based, y wud i want that
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 12, 2008, 06:39:53 PM
Armor Protection Science 101

WD-40 literally stands for Water Displacement, 40th attempt. That's the name straight out of the lab book used by the chemist who developed WD-40 back in 1953. The chemist, Norm Larsen, was attempting to concoct a formula to prevent corrosion-a task which is done by displacing water. Norm's persistence paid off when he perfected the formula on his 40th try. While the ingredients in WD-40 are secret, we can tell you what WD-40 does NOT contain. WD-40 does not contain silicone, kerosene, water, wax, graphite, chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), or any known cancer-causing agents.
While this may vary depending on the application, WD-40 remains effective even after it appears to dry. The corrosion and rust protection ingredients remain adhered to the surface. External conditions may, of course, require additional applications of WD-40 for maximum protection.

*But your at liberty to do what ever it is you feel right with. Can't go wrong with a bag or barrel of sand and roll them around with your armor in side!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 12, 2008, 07:53:01 PM
thanks m trying it out on my leggings, since i dont care about them
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 13, 2008, 12:12:22 AM
okay so i aged a leg of maille... idk yet if i wanna do the sam for the hauberk
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 13, 2008, 03:57:11 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on November 12, 2008, 11:35:11 AM
Rumor has it, once the second movie is released in DVD format, both will make their USA debut......until then, my sources are on the look out for their second opportunity! ;)

Yes Warrior_Monk, I saw that as well. The US market is a big one for them. But it takes time which sucks for us. Kind of like the Beowolf Version that was made in Canada but shown al over but here. they finally had gotten the permisson to sell it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 13, 2008, 03:33:50 PM
During intense meditations today, Sister Hatchet had the following revelation

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/n506666736_677683_4080.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 14, 2008, 07:02:43 AM
Somebody's soul seems expendable..... ;)


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/faith.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 14, 2008, 09:20:25 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on November 14, 2008, 07:02:43 AM
Somebody's soul seems expendable..... ;)

Definition of expendable

....and your point is?

I live to serve.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on November 14, 2008, 10:01:15 AM
Ah, the same battle fought on and on. It seems both sides are expendable at one time or tother, eh?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 14, 2008, 11:36:39 AM
im on my way to mobile, pichas to come sooooooon!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 14, 2008, 02:34:22 PM
Shall I ready my weapons for the "pichas"?  I'm not familiar with these beasts but small furry creatures with long pointy teeth is what it brings to mind...


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on November 14, 2008, 02:41:24 PM
Possibly pichas of ale?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 14, 2008, 03:15:15 PM
I always heard that one "picha" was worth a thousand "weurds"!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 14, 2008, 03:21:52 PM
A thousand weurds would buy us many, many, many pichas of ale!   ;D :) :D

Huzzah!,....er,...I mean, Amen Brothers.   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 14, 2008, 03:29:22 PM
So, I should not prepare myself for battle against these demonic pichas?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on November 14, 2008, 03:29:39 PM
I will raise a picha to thee this night, Femme Falchion (and bit of the Irish). Huzzah!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 14, 2008, 03:32:08 PM
Instead, I should prepare myself to indulge in "pichas" of ale from the land of Mobile??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on November 14, 2008, 03:33:47 PM
Aye, Sir William, but it wise to be not too mobile after pichas of ale.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 14, 2008, 04:17:23 PM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on November 14, 2008, 03:29:39 PM
I will raise a picha to thee this night, Femme Falchion (and bit of the Irish). Huzzah!

I accept your generous tribute Green Monk   :D  and offer you the same   ;D

Prepare for anything Brother William, it's bound to get demonic given that many pichas of ale!  ;) :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 14, 2008, 06:55:36 PM
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s62/superstylinkrisa/just_say_no.gif)

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/_kam/pokemon_picachu.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 15, 2008, 07:52:10 AM
Ahhhhhh....that's it, that's it!  The demonic picha!  Kill it... Kill it... Kill it!!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 15, 2008, 10:38:23 AM
What is done,  is done.


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/KillPikachu.jpg)

Deus Vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 15, 2008, 10:41:26 AM
And there was much rejoicing...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Littlegreenworm/357540-1.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 15, 2008, 12:13:15 PM
Readers will note:  that is one of the Sister's hatchets that cleaved the demonic creature asunder (although she did jump up on a chair for a few minutes...)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 15, 2008, 12:28:10 PM
Don't be fooled into thinking she did this out of "fear". Jumping to a higher postion gave her a tactical advantage* over the demonic creature and allowed her to use the effects of gravity to deliver a horrific blow against a minion of Satan.

*the holding of the "high ground" has always been considered an advantage in conducting military style operations. One wants to hold the high ground for obvious reasons; line of sight, effects of gravity, etc. It is a dominant position (stay focused!) It would also have biblical applications since Heaven is always seen as resting higher than the plane of Hell. Even Star Wars reinforces the concept when Obi Wan cuts Anikan's legs off after warning him of his physical disadvantage in the final part of the epic showdown in Episode III.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 15, 2008, 12:32:46 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/laughing4.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 15, 2008, 01:10:04 PM
thank you for clarifying Warrior Monk.  Of course it's hard for Sister Hatchet *oh how I love writing in 3rd person narrative!* not to be dominant....whatever the position may be  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 15, 2008, 01:12:51 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/popeb.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 15, 2008, 01:16:43 PM
I hope TJ won't be mad that we killed his pichas.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on November 15, 2008, 02:56:35 PM
Is anyone in control? One must reflect upon one's own motives for seeking control or perhaps desirous of being controlled or fear of losing control. Control is an illusion.......methinks....from the stream of consciousness spirit doth flow.

Fear not Femme Falchion, there be many pichas yet to "kill"! The Green Monk will aid in the flushing out of same.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 15, 2008, 06:53:49 PM
well, im in dauphin island, the fair was big, fun, got some knights to sigh a lance shard... met no one interesting though, exept the king
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 15, 2008, 08:18:40 PM
You met King Allyn the Only.
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/kingallyn.jpg)
Wonderful news. If by chance you read this before returning tomorrow, if you feel so inclined, please extend my best wishes to his Majesty. Tell him "Templar wishes him well, and would have loved to attend, but new career changes put a damper on his travels for the moment".

I thank you for this effort.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 16, 2008, 09:40:37 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/templar_knight_crusaders_in_battle_.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 16, 2008, 10:09:50 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/saracencastle.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on November 16, 2008, 12:30:54 PM
Great set of posters, like the Yes the Templars were here one the best.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 16, 2008, 10:07:26 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/610x-1.jpg)

I like how the horse on the left has a bead on that torch!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 17, 2008, 01:33:38 AM
hey, im safly home from the fair, but i ask one favor of you, my frends and i decded to go riding fourwheelers tonite, and my frend in the teutonic outfit,will, has been seriously injured in a crash tonite. i ask you to pray for him. iknow that he has two crushed vertebrae, but  i dont know what else is wrong with him. i just got home from everything and im upset and the trip could have gone better its been a really long wekend.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 17, 2008, 05:24:46 AM
The "Almighty" will surely look after his own.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on November 17, 2008, 07:25:12 AM
My thoughts and prayers are with him and you, Templar Jesse.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 17, 2008, 10:02:57 AM
TJ we will lift him up in our prayers
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 17, 2008, 10:05:04 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/th50px-Cross_of_the_Knights_Temp-1.png)  "Prompt rétablissement" (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/th50px-Cross_of_the_Knights_Temp-1.png)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on November 17, 2008, 10:15:32 AM
All blessings be upon thee and thy fallen comrade.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 17, 2008, 12:24:21 PM
its worse then we all thought, will is going to have screws and splints put in his spine, and will have to be bed ridden foe 3 months, please pray that it is not is not that bad. he was going to a university, to become a math teacher/historian. i dont know what this will do to that.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on November 17, 2008, 01:27:59 PM
Templar Jesse my thought and prayers will be witrh him even and you knowing this latetest information even more then beofre. It can really make you feel bad even more when you know you did everything you could for him.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 17, 2008, 05:22:43 PM
The Almighty's plan for each of us remains a mystery, except to he who engineered it.
Best wishes to our fallen Teutonic Brother. :'(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 18, 2008, 06:38:58 AM
healing prayers for a swift recovery for your companion....for you as well Templar Jesse, during this painful time.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 18, 2008, 12:35:10 PM
anyone interested in guarding my second drawer on my desk I've hidden from myself something quite tempting and i've done enjoyed my daily limit of it for the day.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on November 18, 2008, 01:54:24 PM
As a monk and Knights Templar I will guard you desk drawer and the treasure hidden inside.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 18, 2008, 02:28:13 PM
thank you brother Gregory maybe i won't be tempted to eat any more of those calory packed cherries
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 18, 2008, 06:25:15 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on November 18, 2008, 12:35:10 PM
anyone interested in guarding my second drawer on my desk I've hidden from myself something quite tempting and i've done enjoyed my daily limit of it for the day.

Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on November 18, 2008, 02:28:13 PM
thank you brother Gregory maybe i won't be tempted to eat any more of those calory packed cherries

Cherries!?!?!?   Thats it!?!?!  Just plain ole cherries!?!?  It was sounding as if it was something special in that desk drawer. Like, perhaps a picture of your mystery man or a Zagnut bar!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/MysteryManES_228x262.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/zagnut.jpg)


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/cherriesnot.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 18, 2008, 07:16:29 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f399/aprilfaery/unsee.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s75/cac428/unsee.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 18, 2008, 07:51:29 PM
things tempting, hidden treasures, cherries.....how am I possibly expected to stay on the path of the righteous?   ;)

Had a fun, entirely too much fun closing day at CRF.  

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1660.jpg)

and of course my favorite monk, pouring just for me.  ;)

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1654.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 19, 2008, 08:26:57 AM
not just any cherries but chocolate covered cherries
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on November 19, 2008, 09:19:13 AM
That makes it even harder for me to guard your desk drawer, because I love choclate covered cherries.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 19, 2008, 10:28:11 AM
see it's not just ordinary cherries now we are gonna need someone to guard brother Gregory while he guards my second drawer
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 19, 2008, 11:57:28 AM
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll75/TexasRevolutionary/Pooties/omgiknewitlg2.png)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 19, 2008, 11:58:47 AM
Great shots Sister Hatchet. They did have an old saying....something along the lines of "Drinking like a Templar". ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 19, 2008, 01:41:34 PM
ahhhh ff don't worry i am only limiting myself to the recomended allowance on the box. don't worry i shall behave i hope
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 19, 2008, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 19, 2008, 01:33:32 PM
Another shot I thought the warriors would enjoy

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_1653.jpg)

Wow! That's an awesome tree in the background! Imagine the lance one could fashion from its' wood. ;) :P


Ominus Dominus, you're a Geek!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 19, 2008, 02:11:48 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on November 19, 2008, 02:00:17 PM
Wow! That's an awesome tree in the background! Imagine the lance one could fashion from its' wood. ;) :P

Not only a lance my brother but, make note of ALL the timber that would make the most for constructing seige engines!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 19, 2008, 02:19:37 PM
Bad day sister?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 19, 2008, 02:23:47 PM
No good sir, all is well.  I tend to take ridicule personally when it's my own image. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 19, 2008, 02:27:25 PM
Did I miss something?  :o :-\
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 19, 2008, 02:40:16 PM
totally
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 19, 2008, 03:48:30 PM
just one of those X/Y communication breakdowns.  Only a flesh wound.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 19, 2008, 09:42:09 PM
How about a delicious cookie?  ;)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/Chocolate-Chip-Cookie-.jpg)

Deus Vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 19, 2008, 11:16:43 PM
Ok, if following orders means having to eat the cookie, then i guess i have to. But then on the other hand, it looks period in that it has many Buboes already growing on it from the black death. So, I shall pass.

RYN AWAY!!! RUN AWAY!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 20, 2008, 09:23:39 AM
No..no..no buboes they are not M'Lord!  But, delicious choclately morsels perfectly place within our tollhouse cookies. Prepared by our very own culinary master monks here at the fortress.  Completely safe. So please, feel free to indulge!






Milk not included
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 20, 2008, 09:50:21 AM
Buboes.....a new vocabulary word.  Thank you Sir Clisto! 

By all means...feast upon the cookies.  Here in the Grove, these tasty treats are often prepared and used by the Sisters...to sweeten negotiations or peacefully resolve conflict.  The alchemy of these sweet biscuits has been secretly passed down from generation to generation...  ;) ;)

...the way to a warrior's heart...is not always through one's hatchet.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 20, 2008, 10:27:00 AM
true to that ff  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 20, 2008, 11:35:34 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 20, 2008, 09:50:21 AM
...the way to a warrior's heart...is not always through one's hatchet.

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e162/bashand2001/achmed-the-dead-terrorist.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 20, 2008, 01:23:18 PM
looks gaunt, needs cookies.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 20, 2008, 02:36:50 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Crusaders-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 20, 2008, 02:49:30 PM
Great graphic...just emailed that to M'Lord  :D ;D ;D


(It is the y chromosome mantra as well)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 20, 2008, 02:57:42 PM
It's a "Cross" we have to bear. :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 20, 2008, 03:03:11 PM
but the cross is an x
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 20, 2008, 03:05:56 PM
M'lady, not sure what church you attend, but I believe it looks more like a "t" but on steriods!  :P

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/dbaby17/email_crucifix.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 22, 2008, 01:09:23 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 20, 2008, 09:50:21 AM
Buboes.....a new vocabulary word.  Thank you Sir Clisto! 

By all means...feast upon the cookies.  Here in the Grove, these tasty treats are often prepared and used by the Sisters...to sweeten negotiations or peacefully resolve conflict.  The alchemy of these sweet biscuits has been secretly passed down from generation to generation...  ;) ;)

...the way to a warrior's heart...is not always through one's hatchet.

Actually that really is the word for the growths. LOL...

I shall now partake of those delightful treats.  Coming from the monks, I see no need for the royal tasters to get involved first.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 22, 2008, 06:36:03 PM
Barnes & Noble discounted book alert!

Weapons & Fighting Techniques of the Medieval Warrior 1000-1500 AD: M Dougherty

Fits well alongside Battles of the Crusades, and Battles of the Medieval World.

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Post by: Femme Falchion on November 22, 2008, 06:46:23 PM
what!!!!

Sister Hatchet runs from one end of her chambers to the other....tossing around piles of cloth, parchment and empty wine jugs, looking for her coin purse.  She finally locates it (hidden in the false bottom bible) and flies out the front gates, hollering her orders for her horse to be readied for a trip to the market....

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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 22, 2008, 10:56:10 PM
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 23, 2008, 01:00:49 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on November 22, 2008, 06:36:03 PM
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Weapons & Fighting Techniques of the Medieval Warrior 1000-1500 AD: M Dougherty

Fits well alongside Battles of the Crusades, and Battles of the Medieval World.




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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 24, 2008, 11:53:43 AM
FLORINE OF BURGUNDY
(1083-1097)

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It was said that the son of Sweno, king of Denmark, who had assumed the cross, and was leading fifteen hundred horsemen to the holy war, had been surprised by the Turks whilst advancing rapidly across the plains of Cappadocia. Attacked by an enemy superior in numbers, he had defended himself during a whole day, without being able to repulse the infidels, with all the efforts of his courage or the battle-axes of his warriors. Florine, daughter of Eudes I., duke of Burgundy, who accompanied the Danish hero, and to whom he was to be married after the taking of Jerusalem, had valiantly fought by his side. Pierced by seven arrows, but still fighting, she sought with Sweno to open a passage towards the mountains, when they were overwhelmed by their enemies. They fell together on the field of battle, after having seen all their knights and most faithful servants perish around them.
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 24, 2008, 12:28:40 PM
What a woman, and such a sad story.
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Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 24, 2008, 01:06:10 PM
that's love. hmmmmmm wonders, wonders many things and wanders off to wonder these things
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 24, 2008, 01:34:31 PM
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Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 24, 2008, 01:52:00 PM
wouldn't you like to know
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 24, 2008, 02:08:18 PM
Uuuuummmm....NO...not really sister  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 24, 2008, 03:22:32 PM
it would probley confuse you anyway.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 24, 2008, 09:17:19 PM
You're probably right
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Post by: Richard de Graeme on November 25, 2008, 08:02:40 AM
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What a woman, and such a sad story.

Yes, missing are angels carrying their blood soaked bodies aloft to meet their vengeful god. Aah, I here the tumpeters sound and chorus sing. I forget how much good war doth bring.
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 25, 2008, 10:47:14 AM
Two centuries before the Crusades there was....

Charles"The Hammer" Martel

Defender of Christendom

The most important of his wars was one with the Saracens, who came across the Pyrenees from Spain and invaded the land of the Franks, intending to establish Mohammedanism there. Their army was led by Abd-er-Rahman (Abd-er-Rah'-man), the Saracen governor of Spain.

On his march through the southern districts of the land of the Franks Abd-er-Rahman destroyed many towns and villages, killed a number of the people, and seized all the property he could carry off. He plundered the city of Bordeaux (bor-do'), and, it is said, obtained so many valuable things that every soldier "was loaded with golden vases and cups and emeralds and other precious stones."

But meanwhile Charles Martel was not idle. As quickly as he could he got together a great army of Franks and Germans and marched against the Saracens. The two armies met between the cities of Tours and Poitiers (pwaw-te-ay) in October, 732. For six days there was nothing but an occasional skirmish between small parties from both sides; but on the seventh day a great battle took place.

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Both Christians and Mohammedans fought with terrible earnestness. The fight went on all day, and the field was covered with the bodies of the slain. But towards evening, during a resolute charge made by the Franks, Abd-er-Rahman was killed. Then the Saracens gradually retired to their camp.

It was not yet known, however, which side had won; and the Franks expected that the fight would be renewed in the morning.

But when Charles Martel, with his Christian warriors, appeared on the field at sunrise there was no enemy to fight. The Mohammedans had fled in the silence and darkness of the night and had left behind them all their valuable spoils. There was now no doubt which side had won.

The battle of Tours, or Poitiers, as it should be called, is regarded as one of the decisive battles of the world. It decided that Christians, and not Moslems, should be the ruling power in Europe.

Charles Martel is especially celebrated as the hero of this battle. It is said that the name MARTEL was given to him because of his bravery during the fight. Marteau (mar-to') is the French word for hammer, and one of the old French historians says that as a hammer breaks and crushes iron and steel, so Charles broke and crushed the power of his enemies in the battle of Tours.

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But though the Saracens fled from the battlefield of Tours, they did not leave the land of the Franks; and Charles had to fight other battles with them, before they were finally defeated. At last, however, he drove them across the Pyrenees, and they never again attempted to invade Frankland.

After his defeat of the Saracens Charles Martel was looked upon as the great champion of Christianity; and to the day of his death, in 741, he was in reality, though not in name, the king of the Franks.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 25, 2008, 12:18:38 PM
I thought it only fitting to add a little biographical study on the Opposing side. The reason why we got here. Frere William posted a great article on Charles "The Hammer" Martel, but maybe there are some of you out there, that want to know how it got to that point? You'll notice a lot of things you're hearing on a day to day basis in today's world.

Many thanks to this article by Richard A. Gabriel. Originally published in the Summer 2007 issue of MHQ Magazine.




The long shadow of Muhammad stretches across centuries of strife to the present. Today an estimated 1.4 billion Muslims around the globe follow his teachings—the word of God as revealed to Muhammad and set down in the Koran—making Islam the world's largest religion (as of the 2008 Vatican public record statement). But despite Muhammad's remarkable accomplishments, there is no modern account of his life that examines his role as Islam's first great general and the leader of a successful insurgency. Had Muhammad not succeeded as a commander, however, Islam might have been relegated to a geographic backwater—and the conquest of the Byzantine and Persian empires by Arab armies might never have occurred.

The idea of Muhammad as a military man will be new to many. Yet he was a general. In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction. Wounded twice, he also twice experienced having his positions overrun by superior forces before he managed to turn the tables on his enemies and rally his men to victory. More than a field general and tactician, he was also a military theorist, organizational reformer, strategic thinker, operational-level combat commander, political-military leader, heroic soldier, and revolutionary. The inventor of insurgency warfare and history's first successful practitioner, Muhammad had no military training before he commanded an army in the field.

Muhammad's intelligence service eventually rivaled that of Byzantium and Persia, especially when it came to political information. He reportedly spent hours devising tactical and political stratagems, and once remarked that "all war is cunning," reminding modern analysts of Sun Tzu's dictum, "all war is deception." In his thinking and application of force Muhammad was a combination of Karl von Clause­witz and Niccolo Machiavelli, for he always employed force in the service of political goals. An astute grand strategist, he used non­mili­tary methods (alliance building, politi­cal assassination, bribery, religious appeals, mercy, and calculated butchery) to strengthen his long-term position, sometimes even at the expense of short-term military considerations.

Muhammad's belief in Islam and his own role as the "Messenger of God" revolutionized Arabian warfare and resulted in the creation of the ancient world's first army motivated by a coherent system of ideological belief. The ideology of holy war (jihad) and martyrdom (shahada) for the faith was transmitted to the West during the wars between Muslims and Christians in Spain and France, where it changed traditional Christian pacifistic thinking on war, brought into being a coterie of Christian warrior saints, and provided the Catho­lic Church with its ideological justification for the Crusades. Ideology—whether religious or secular—has remained a primary component of military ventures ever since.

Muhammad forged the military instrument of the Arab conquests that began within two years of his death by bringing into being a completely new kind of army not seen before in Arabia. He introduced no fewer than eight major military reforms that transformed the armies and conduct of war in Arabia. Just as Philip of Macedon transformed the armies of Greece so his successor, Alexander, could employ them as instruments of conquest and empire, Muhammad transformed the armies of Arabia so his successors could use them to defeat the armies of Persia and Byzantium and establish the heartland of the empire of Islam.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 25, 2008, 12:19:05 PM
Muhammad was first and foremost a revolutionary, a fiery religious guerrilla leader who created and led the first genuine national insurgency in antiquity that is comprehensible in modern terms, a fact not lost on the jihadis of the present day, who often cite the Koran and Muhammad's use of violence as justification for their own insurgencies. Unlike conventional generals, Muhammad did not seek the defeat of a foreign enemy or invader; rather, he sought to replace the existing Arabian social order with a new one based upon a radically different ideological worldview. To achieve his revolutionary goals Muhammad utilized all the means recognized by modern analysts as characteristic of a successful insurgency in today's world.
Although Muhammad began his struggle for a new order with a small guerrilla cadre capable of undertaking only limited hit-and-run raids, by the time he was ready to attack Mecca a decade later that small guerrilla force had grown into a large conventional army with integrated cavalry and infantry units capable of conducting large-scale combat operations. It was the first truly national military force in Arab history, and it was this conventional military instrument that Muhammad's successors used to forge a great empire.
Muhammad's rise to power was a textbook example of a successful insurgency, in all likelihood the first such example in antiquity. The West has been accustomed to thinking of the Arab conquests that followed Muhammad in purely conventional military terms. But the armies that achieved those conquests did not exist in Arabia before Muhammad. It was Muhammad's successful unconventional guerrilla operations, his successful insurgency that brought those armies into existence. The later Arab conquests, as regards both strategic concept and the new armies as in¬struments of military method, were the consequences of Muhammad's prior military success as the leader of an insurgency.
This aspect of Muhammad's military life as a guerrilla insurgent is likely to strike the reader as curious. But if the means and methods used by modern military analysts to characterize insurgency warfare are employed as categories of analysis, it is clear that Muhammad's campaign to spread Islam throughout Arabia fulfilled all of the criteria. One requirement for an insurgency is a determined leader whose followers regard him as special in some way and worthy of their following him. In Muhammad's case his own charismatic personality was enhanced by his deeply held belief that he was God's Messenger, and that to follow Muhammad was to obey the dictates of God himself.
Insurgencies also require a messianic ideology, one that espouses a coherent creed or plan to replace the existing social, political, and economic order with a new order that is better, more just, or ordained by history or even by God himself. Mu¬hammad used the new religious creed of Islam to challenge basic traditional Arab social institutions and values as oppressive and unholy and worthy of replacement. To this end he created the ummah, or community of believers, God's community on earth, to serve as a messianic replacement for the clans and tribes that were the basis of traditional Arab society. One of Mu¬hammad's most important achievements was the establishment of new social institutions that greatly altered and in some cases completely replaced those of the old Arab social order.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 25, 2008, 12:19:30 PM
Successful insurgencies also require a disciplined cadre of true believers to do the work of organizing and recruiting new members. Muhammad's revolutionary cadre consisted of the small group of original converts he attracted in Mecca and took with him to Medina. These were the muhajirun, or emigrants. The first converts among the clans of Medina, the ansar, or helpers, also filled the ranks of the cadre. Within this revolutionary cadre was an inner circle of talented men, some of them later converts. Some, like Abdullah Ibn Ubay and Khalid al-Walid, were experienced field commanders and provided a much-needed source of military expertise. Muhammad's inner circle advised him and saw to it that his directives were carried out. These advisers held key positions during the Prophet's lifetime and fought among themselves for power after his death.
Once Muhammad had created his cadre of revolutionaries, he established a base from which to conduct military operations against his adversaries. These operations initially took the form of ambushes and raids aimed at isolating Mecca, the enemy's main city, and other trading towns that opposed him. Only one in six Arabs lived in a city or town at this time; the others resided in the desert, living as pastoral nomads. Muhammad chose Medina as his base of operations because of its strategic location. Medina was close to the main caravan route from Mecca to Syria that constituted the economic lifeline of Mecca and other oases and towns dependent upon the caravan trade for their economic survival. Medina was also sufficiently distant from Mecca to permit Muhammad a relatively free hand in his efforts to convert the Bedouin clans living along the caravan route. Muhammad understood that conversions and political alliances with the Bedouins, not military engagements with the Meccans, were the keys to success.
Insurgencies require an armed force and the manpower to sustain them. It was from the original small cadre of guerrillas that the larger conventional army could be grown that would ultimately permit the insurgency to engage its enemies in set-piece battles when the time and political conditions were right. Muhammad may have been the first commander in history to understand and implement the doctrine later espoused by General Vo Nguyen Giap of North Vietnam as "people's war, people's army." Muhammad established the belief among his followers that God had commandeered all Muslims' purposes and property for His efforts and that all Muslims had a responsibility to fight for the faith. Everyone—men, women, and even children—had an obligation for military service in defense of the faith and the ummah that was the community of God's chosen people on earth. It is essential to understand that the attraction of the Islamic ideology more than anything else produced the manpower that permitted Muhammad's small revolutionary cadre to evolve into a conventional armed force capable of large-scale engagements.
The rapid growth of Muhammad's insurgent army is evident from the following figures. At the Battle of Badr (624 ce), Muhammad could only put 314 men in the field. Two years later at Second Badr, 1,500 Muslims took the field. By the 628 battle at Kheibar, the Muslim army had grown to 2,000 combatants. When Muhammad mounted his assault on Mecca (630) he did so with 10,000 men. And at the Battle of Hunayn a few months later the army numbered 12,000 men. Some sources record that Muhammad's expedition to Tabuk later the same year was composed of 30,000 men and 10,000 cavalry, but this is probably an exaggeration. What is evident from the figures, however, is that his insurgency grew very quickly in terms of its ability to recruit military manpower.
Like all insurgent armies, Muhammad's forces initially acquired weapons by stripping them from prisoners and enemy dead. Weapons, helmets, and armor were expensive items in relatively impoverished Arabia, and the early Muslim converts, drawn mostly from among the poor, orphaned, widowed, and otherwise socially marginal, could ill afford them. At the Battle of Badr, the first major engagement with an enemy army, the dead were stripped of their swords and other military equipment, setting a precedent that be¬came common. Muhammad also established the practice of requiring prisoners to provide weapons and equipment instead of money to purchase their freedom. One prisoner taken at Badr, an arms merchant, was forced to provide the insurgents with a thousand spears to obtain his freedom. Muhammad eventually had enough weapons, helmets, shields, and armor to supply an army of 10,000 for his march on Mecca.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 25, 2008, 12:19:55 PM
Muhammad's ability to obtain sufficient weapons and equipment had an important political advantage. Many of the insurgency's converts came from the poorest elements of the Bedouin clans, people too impoverished to afford weapons and armor. By supplying these converts with expensive military equipment, Muhammad immediately raised their status within the clan and guaranteed their loyalty to him, if not always to the creed of Islam. In negotiations with Bedouin chiefs he made them gifts of expensive weaponry. Horses and camels were equally important military assets, for without them raids and the conduct of operations over great distances was not possible. Muhammad obtained his animals in much the same manner as he did his weapons and with equal success. At Badr the insurgents had only two horses. Six years later at Hunayn Muhammad's cavalry squadrons numbered 800 horse and cavalrymen.
An insurgency must be able to sustain the popular base that supports the fighting elements. To accomplish this, Muhammad changed the ancient customs regarding the sharing of booty taken in raids. The chief of an Arab clan or tribe traditionally took one-fourth of the booty for himself. Muhammad decreed that he receive only one-fifth, and even this the chief took not for himself but in the name of the ummah. Under the old ways individuals kept whatever booty they had captured. Muhammad required that all booty be turned in to a common pool where it was shared equally among all combatants who had participated in the raid. Most important, Muhammad established that the first claimants on the booty that had been taken in the name of the ummah were the poor and the widows and orphans of the soldiers killed in battle. He also used the promise of a larger share of booty to strike alliances with Bedouin clans, some of whom remained both loyal and pagan to the end, fighting for loot rather than for Islam.
The leader of an insurgency must take great care to guard his authority from challenges, including those that come from within the movement itself. Muhammad had many enemies, and he was always on guard against an attempt upon his life. Like other leaders, Muhammad surrounded himself with a loyal group of followers who acted as his bodyguard and carried out his orders without question. For this purpose he created the suffah, a small cadre of loyal followers who lived in the mosque next to Muhammad's house. Recruited from among the most pious, enthusiastic, and fanatical followers, they came from impoverished backgrounds. The suffah members spent much of their time studying Islam. They were devoted to Muhammad and served not only as his life guard but also as a secret police that could be called upon at a moment's notice to carry out whatever task Muhammad set for them, including assassination and terror.
No insurgency can survive without an effective intelligence apparatus. As early as when Muhammad left Mecca in 622, he left behind a trusted agent, his uncle Abbas, who continued to send him reports on the situation there. Abbas served as an agent-in-place for more than a decade, until Mecca itself fell to Muhammad.
In the beginning Muhammad's operations suffered from a lack of tactical intelligence. His followers were mostly townspeople with no experience in desert travel. On some of the early operations Muhammad had to hire Bedouin guides. As the insurgency grew, however, his intelligence service became more organized and sophisticated, using agents-in-place, commercial spies, debriefing of prisoners, combat patrols, and reconnaissance in force as methods of intelligence collection.
Muhammad himself seems to have possessed a detailed knowledge of clan loyalties and politics within the insurgency's area of operations and used this knowledge to good effect when negotiating alliances with the Bedouins. He often conducted advance reconnaissance of the battlefields upon which he fought. In most cases his intelligence service provided him with sufficient information as to the enemy's location and intentions in advance of any military engagement. We have no knowledge of exactly how the intelligence service was organized or where it was located. That it was part of the suffah, however, seems a reasonable guess.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 25, 2008, 12:20:11 PM
Insurgencies succeed or fail to the degree that they are able to win the allegiance of great numbers of uncommitted citizens to support the insurgency's goals. Muhammad understood the role of propaganda and went to great lengths to make his message public and widely known. In a largely illiterate Arab society, the poet served as the major conveyor of political propaganda. Muhammad hired the best poets money could buy to sing his praises and denigrate his opponents. He issued proclamations regarding the revelations he received as the Messenger of God, and remained in public view to keep the vision of the new order and the promise of a heavenly paradise constantly before the public. He also sent missionaries to other clans and tribes to instruct the "pagans" in the new faith, sometimes teaching those groups to read and write in the process. Muhammad understood that the conflict was between the existing social order with its manifest injustices and his vision of the future, and he surpassed his adversaries in spreading his vision to win the struggle for the hearts and minds of the Arab population.
Terrorism seems to be an indispensable element of a successful insurgency, and it was no less so in Muhammad's case. He used terrorism in two basic ways: First, he ensured discipline among his followers by making public examples of traitors and backsliders. In Muhammad's day the penalty for apostasy in Islam was death. He also ordered some of his political enemies assassinated, including poets and singers who had publicly ridiculed him. When his armies marched into Mecca, for example, Muhammad's suffah set about hunting down a list of old enemies marked for execution. Second, Muhammad used terrorism to strike fear in the hearts of his enemies on a large scale. In the case of the Jewish tribes of Medina, Muhammad seems to have ordered the death of the entire Beni Qaynuqa tribe and the selling of their women and children into slavery, though he was later talked out of it by the chief of one of his allies. On another occasion, again against a Jewish tribe of Medina, he ordered all the tribe's adult males, some nine hundred, beheaded in the city square, the women and children sold into slavery, and their property distributed among his Muslim followers. Shortly after the conquest of Mecca, Muhammad declared "war to the knife" against all those who remained idolaters, instructing his followers to kill any pagans they encountered on the spot. His ruthlessness and brutality served to strengthen his hand with opponents and allies alike.
Muhammad's use of terrorism does not detract from Islam as a religion any more than the history of the Israelite military campaign to conquer Canaan detracts from Judaism. Over time the violent origins of religions are forgotten and only the faith itself remains, so the founders of the creeds come to be remembered as untouched by the violence of the historical record. In Muhammad's case the result has been to deemphasize the military aspects of his life and his considerable military accomplishments as Islam's first great general and the inventor of the theory and practice of insurgency.
Muhammad also managed to bring about a revolution in the way Arabs fought wars, transforming their armies into instruments capable of large-scale combat operations that could achieve strategic objectives instead of only small-scale clan, tribal, or personal objectives. In so doing he created both the means and historical circumstances that transformed the fragmented Arab clans into a national military entity conscious of its own unique identity. As a result, the greatest commanders of the early Arab conquests were developed by Muhammad himself.
Had he not brought about a military revolution in Arab warfare, it is possible that Islam might not have survived in Arabia. Within a year of Muhammad's death many of the clans that had sworn allegiance to Islam recanted, resulting in the War of the Apostates, or Riddah. The brilliance of Muhammad's generals and the superior fighting skills of his new army made it possible for Islam to defeat the apostates and force them back into the religious fold. Commanding the Arab armies, those same generals carried out the Arab conquests of Persia and Byzantium. The old Arab way of war would have had no chance of success against the armies of either of those empires.
Muhammad transformed the social composition of Arab armies from a collection of clans, tribes, and blood kin loyal only to themselves into a national army loyal to a national social entity, the ummah. The ummah was not a nation or a state in the modern sense, but a body of religious believers under the unified command and governance of Muhammad. The ummah transcended the clans and tribes and permitted Muhammad to forge a common identity, national in scope, among the Arabs for the first time. It was leadership of this national entity that Muhammad claimed, not of any clan or tribe. Loyalty to the ummah permitted the national army to unify the two traditional combat arms of infantry and cavalry into a genuine combined arms force. Bedouins and town dwellers had historically viewed one another with suspicion. Arab infantry had traditionally been drawn from the people living in the towns, settlements, and oases of Arabia. Arab cavalry was traditionally drawn from Bedouin clans, whose nomadic warriors excelled at speedy raids, surprise attacks, and elusive retreats, skills honed to a fine edge over generations of raiding.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 25, 2008, 12:20:39 PM
These two different types of combatants possessed only limited experience in fighting alongside one another. Bound by clan loyalties and living in settlements, Arab infantry was steadfast and cohesive and could usually be relied upon to hold its ground, especially in the defense. Arab cavalry, on the other hand, was unreliable in a battle against infantry, often breaking off the fight to keep their precious mounts from being hurt or make off with whatever booty they had seized. Bedouin cavalry was, however, proficient at reconnaissance, surprise attack, protecting the flanks, and pursuing ill-disciplined infantry. Muhammad was the first Arab commander to successfully join both combat arms into a national army and use them in concert in battle. Thanks to the larger religious community of believers, the ummah, he could combine the two primary elements of traditional Arab society, town dwellers and Bedouin tribes, into a single Arab national identity. That change was actually preceded by a shift in the social composition of Arab society.
Before Muhammad, Arab military contingents fought under the command of clan or tribal leaders, sometimes assembled in coalition with other clans or tribes. While the authority of these clan chiefs was recognized by their own clan, every chief considered himself the equal of any other, so there was no overall commander whose authority could compel the obedience or tactical direction of the army as a whole. Clan warriors fought for their own interests, often only for loot, and did not feel obligated to pursue the larger objectives of the army as a whole. They often failed to report to the battlefield, arrived late, or simply left the fight once they had captured sufficient loot. Warriors and horses were precious, and clan leaders resisted any higher tactical direction that might place their men and animals in danger. As a result, Arab battles were often little more than brief, disorganized brawls that seldom produced a decisive outcome.
To correct these deficiencies Muhammad established a unified command for his armies centered on himself. Within the ummah there was no distinction between the citizen and the soldier. All members of the community had an obligation to defend the clan and participate in its battles. The community of believers was truly a nation in arms, and all believers followed the commands of Muhammad, God's Messenger. As commander in chief Muhammad established the principle of unified command by appointing a single commander with overall authority to carry out military operations. Sometimes he also appointed a second-in-command. Muhammad often personally commanded his troops in the field. He also appointed all the other commanders, who operated under his authority. As Muslims, all members of the army were equally bound by the same laws, and all clan members and their chiefs were subject to the same discipline and punishments. When operating with clans whose members were not Muslims, Muhammad always extracted an honor oath from their chiefs to obey his orders during the battle.
The establishment of a unified military command gave Muhammad's armies greater reliability in planning and in battle. Unified command also permitted a greater degree of coordination among the various combat elements of the army and the use of more sophisticated tactical designs that could be implemented with more certainty, thereby greatly increasing the army's offensive power.
Traditional Arab warfare emphasized the courageous performance of individual warriors in battle, not the clan's ability to fight as a unit. The Arab warrior fought for his own honor and social prestige within the kin group, not for the clan per se. One consequence was that Arab armies and the clan units within them did not usually reflect a high degree of combat unit cohesion, the ability of the group to remain intact and fight together under the stress of battle.
Muhammad's armies, by contrast, were highly cohesive, holding together even when they fought outnumbered or were overrun. The ummah served as a higher locus of the soldier's loyalty that transcended the clan. Many of Muhammad's early converts had left their families and clans to follow the Prophet. There were many instances where members of the same clan or even families fought on opposite sides during his early battles. Religion turned out to be a greater source of unit cohesion than blood and clan ties, the obligations of faith replacing and overriding those of tradition and even family. His soldiers cared for each other as brothers, which under the precepts of Islam they were, and quickly gained a reputation for their discipline and ferocity in battle.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 25, 2008, 12:21:02 PM
Muhammad's armies demonstrated a higher degree of military motivation than traditional Arab armies. Being a good warrior had always been at the center of Arab values, but Muhammad enhanced the warrior's status. His soldiers were always guaranteed a share in the booty. It became a common saying among Muslims that "the soldier is not only the noblest and most pleasing profession in the sight of Allah, but also the most profitable." Muhammad's soldiers were usually paid better than Persian or Byzantine soldiers.
But better pay was only a small part of the new Islamic warriors' motivation. One of Muhammad's most important innovations was convincing his troops that they were doing God's work on earth. There were of course soldiers of other faiths who fought on religious grounds. But no army before Muhammad's ever placed religion at the center of military motivation and defined the soldier primarily as an instrument of God's will on earth. The soldiers of Islam came to see themselves as fighting under God's instructions. The result, still evident in Islamic societies today, was a soldier who enjoyed much higher social status and respect than soldiers in Western armies.
A central element to an Islamic soldier's motivation in Muhammad's day was the idea that death was not something to be feared but rather embraced. Muhammad's pronouncement that those killed in battle would be welcomed immediately into a paradise of pleasure and eternal life was a powerful inducement to perform well in combat. To die fighting in defense of the faith was to fulfill God's will and become a martyr. Life itself was subordinate to the needs of the faith. Muslim soldiers killed in battle were accorded the highest respect on the Arab scale of values. While those who died in battle had formerly been celebrated as examples of courage and selflessness, before Muhammad it was never suggested that death was to be welcomed or required to be a good soldier. Muhammad's teachings changed the traditional Arab view of military sacrifice and produced a far more dedicated soldier than Arab armies had ever witnessed before.
Arab warfare prior to Muhammad's reforms involved clans and tribes fighting for honor or loot. No commander aimed at the enslavement or extermination of the enemy, nor the occupation of his lands. Arab warfare had been tactical warfare, nothing more. There was no sense of strategic war in which long-term, grand strategic objectives were sought and toward which the tactical application of force was directed. Muhammad was the first to introduce to the Arabs the notion of war for strategic goals. His ultimate goal, the transformation of Arab society through the spread of a new religion, was strategic in concept. Muhammad's application of force and violence, whether unconventional or conventional, was always directed at this strategic goal. Although he began as the founder of an insurgency, he was always Clausewitzian in his view that the use of force was a tactical means to the achievement of larger strategic objectives. Had Muhammad not introduced this new way of thinking to Arab warfare, the use of later Arab armies to forge a world empire would not only have been impossible, it would have been unthinkable.
Once war was harnessed to strategic objectives, it became possible to expand its application to introduce tactical dimensions that were completely new to Arab warfare. Muhammad attacked tribes, towns, and garrisons before they could form hostile coalitions; he isolated his enemies by severing their economic lifelines and disrupting their lines of communication; he was a master at political negotiation, forming alliances with pagan tribes when it served his interests; and he laid siege to cities and towns. He also introduced the new dimension of psychological warfare, employing terror and massacre as means to weaken the will of his enemies. Various texts also mention Muhammad's use of catapults (manjaniq) and movable covered cars (dabbabah) in siege warfare. Most likely these siege devices were acquired in Yemen, where Persian garrisons had been located on and off over the centuries. Muhammad seems to have been the first Arab commander to use them in the north. Where once Arab warfare had been a completely tactical affair, Muhammad's introduction of strategic war permitted the use of tactics in the proper manner, as a means to greater strategic ends. War, after all, is never an end in itself. It is, as Clausewitz reminds us, always a method, never a goal.
As an orphan, Muhammad had lacked even the most rudimentary military training typically provided by an Arab father. To compensate for this deficiency, he surrounded himself with experienced warriors and constantly sought their advice. In fact, he frequently appointed the best warriors of his former enemies to positions of command once they converted to Islam. He sought good officers wherever he found them, appointing young men to carry out small-scale raids to give them combat experience, and sometimes selecting an officer from a town to command a Bedouin raid, to broaden his experience with cavalry. He always chose his military commanders on the basis of their proven experience and ability, never for their asceti¬cism or religious devotion. He was the first to institutionalize military excellence in the development of a professional Arab officer corps. From that corps of trained and experienced field commanders came the generals who commanded the armies of the Arab conquests.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 25, 2008, 12:21:23 PM
We have little information on how Muhammad trained his soldiers, but it is almost certain he did so. There are clear references to training in swimming, running, and wrestling. The early soldiers of Islam had left their clan and family loyalties behind to join the ummah. Converts had to be socialized to a new basis of military loyalty—the faith—and new military units created with soldiers from many clans. References in various texts suggest that Muhammad trained these units in rank and drill, sometimes personally formed them up and addressed them before a battle, and deployed them to fight in disciplined units, not as individuals as was the common practice. These disciplined units could then be trained to carry out a wider array of tactical designs than had previously been possible. Muhammad's use of cavalry and archers in concert with his infantry was one result. While Arab fathers continued to train their sons in warfare long after Muhammad's death, the armies of the Arab conquests and later those of the Arab empire instituted formal military training for recruits.
Muhammad had been an organizer of caravans for twenty-five years before he began his insurgency, and he showed the caravaner's concern for logistics and planning. His expertise in those areas permitted him to project force and conduct military operations over long distances across inhospitable terrain. During that time he made several trips to the north along the spice road, for example, and gained a repu¬tation for honesty and as an excellent administrator and organizer. Such expeditions required extensive attention to detail and knowledge of routes, rates of Muhammad had been an organizer of caravans for twenty-five years before he began his insurgency, and he showed the caravaner's concern for logistics and planning. His expertise in those areas permitted him to project force and conduct military operations over long distances across inhospitable terrain. During that time he made several trips to the north along the spice road, for example, and gained a reputation for honesty and as an excellent administrator and organizer. Such expeditions required extensive attention to detail and knowledge of routes, rates of march, distances between stops, water and feeding of animals, location of wells, weather, places of ambush, knowledge that served him well as a military commander. In 630 he led an army of twenty to thirty thousand men (sources disagree on the exact numbers) on a 250-mile march across the desert from Medina to Tabuk lasting eighteen to twenty days during the hottest season of the year. By traditional Arab standards, that trek was nothing short of astounding.
Muhammad's transformation of Arab warfare was preceded by a revolution in the way Arabs thought about war, what might be called the moral basis of war. The old chivalric code that limited bloodletting was abandoned and replaced with an ethos less conducive to restraint, the blood feud. Extending that ethos beyond the ties of kin and blood to include members of the new community of Muslim believers inevitably made Arab warfare more encompassing and bloody than it had ever been.
Within two hundred years after the Muslim conquests of Byzantium and Persia, Muhammad's reform influence on the conventional Arab armies had disappeared, displaced by the more powerful influence of Byzantine, Persian, and Turkic military practices. Muhammad's military legacy is most clearly evident in the modern methodology of insurgency and in the powerful idea of jihad. In the years following his death, Islamic scholars developed an account of the Islamic law of war. This body of law, essentially complete by 850, ultimately rests on two foundations: the example and teaching of Muhammad and the word of God as expressed in the Koran. At the heart of the Islamic law of war is the concept of jihad, meaning to endeavor, to strive, to struggle, but in the West commonly understood to mean holy war.
According to classical Sunni doctrine, jihad can refer generically to any worthy endeavor, but in Islamic law it means primarily armed struggle for Islam against infidels and apostates. The central element of the doctrine of jihad is that the Islamic community (ummah) as a whole, under the leadership of the caliph (successor to Muhammad), has the duty to expand Islamic rule until the whole world is governed by Islamic law. Expansionist jihad is thus a collective duty of all Muslims. Land occupied by Muslims is known as the dar al-Islam, while all other territory is known as the dar al-harb, (the land of war.) Islamic law posts the inalienability of Islamic territory. If infidels attack the dar al-Islam, it becomes the duty of all Muslims to resist and of all other Muslims to assist them. Thus jihad can be defensive as well as offensive.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 25, 2008, 12:21:59 PM
In the waging of jihad, all adult males, except for slaves and monks, are considered legitimate military targets and no distinction is made between military and civilians. Women and children may not be targeted directly, unless they act as combatants by supporting the enemy in some manner. The enemy may be attacked without regard for indiscriminate damage, and it is permissible to kill women in night raids when Muslim fighters cannot easily distinguish them from men.
Islamic law prohibits mutilation of the dead and torture of captives, although the definition of torture is problematic, since Muhammad himself imposed punishments that would easily qualify as torture today. Following Muhammad's own practice, a jihadi may execute, enslave, ransom, or release enemy captives. Although captured women and children were not supposed to be killed, they could be enslaved, and Muslim men could have sexual relations with female slaves acquired by jihad (any marriage was deemed annulled by their capture).
Shiites, some ten to fifteen percent of Muslims, subscribe to a somewhat different doctrine of jihad, believing that it can only be waged under the command of the rightful leader of the Muslim community, whom they call imam. Shiites believe that the last imam went into hiding in 874 and that the collective duty to wage expansionist jihad is suspended until his return in the apocalyptic future. But Shiite scholars do affirm a duty to wage defensive jihad against infidel invaders.
Classical Islamic law is less tolerant of non-Muslims. Apostates from Islam, pagans, atheists, agnostics, and pseudo-scriptuaries, that is, members of cults that have appeared since Muhammad's day for example, Sikhs, Bahais, Mormons, and Qadianis are only offered the option of conversion to Islam or death.
By the beginning of the nineteenth century, Sunni Islamic modernists began to modify the classical law of war. The Indian Muslim thinker Sayyid Ahmad Khan argued that jihad was obligatory for Muslims only when they were prevented from exercising their faith, thus restricting jihad to defensive purposes. Mahmud Shaltut, an Egyptian scholar, likewise argued only for defensive jihad.
Conservative Sunnis, such as the Wahhabis of Arabia, and modern militant jihadis in Iraq and Pakistan still adhere to the traditional doctrine. It is among these militant conservative Muslims that the military legacy of Muhammad is most alive today.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 25, 2008, 01:37:25 PM
Just some light reading for the holidays huh, Prof?

I regret that my opportunities for plaguing posting on this thread have been hampered...a running stag destroyed one of our carriages...no injuries thank goodness but it's taking some energy to recast all those protection spells and attend to the various details.

I'll be back.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 25, 2008, 10:43:45 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 25, 2008, 01:37:25 PM
Just some light reading for the holidays huh, Prof?

I regret that my opportunities for plaguing posting on this thread have been hampered...a running stag destroyed one of our carriages...no injuries thank goodness but it's taking some energy to recast all those protection spells and attend to the various details.

I'll be back.  ;)

You read your own?  I have my scribe read it for me while I digest its contents, Femme Falchion.
Great job Warrior Monk. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 26, 2008, 08:15:42 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 25, 2008, 01:37:25 PM
...a running stag destroyed one of our carriages...no injuries thank goodness but it's taking some energy to recast all those protection spells and attend to the various details.

Pagan spells will avail you for naught Sister! ;) ;D  His will be praised that no one was injured through your recent trial. ;D



I leave you with:

History's Loop
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/HistoryLoop.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 26, 2008, 08:45:59 AM
but of course Warrior Monk (Fun vacuum  ;D)

what I meant to say was that I've been busy lighting candles in prayer to the saints of small German cars and husbands. 

Sir Clisto...I am one of the truly blessed new generation females who has been taught to read, speak and write in several languages....as well as defend herself.    ;) :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 26, 2008, 09:44:44 AM
 ??? ??? ??? When's a busy girl suposed to read all that WM? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 26, 2008, 09:48:18 AM
Sleep is a crutch Sister! :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 26, 2008, 03:36:33 PM
I believe Lady De Pond expressed being busy not tired....(stop projecting WM and take a nap...it's not bad.   ;))
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 26, 2008, 04:10:02 PM
I was merely suggesting that the "down time" some use for sleep, could be better employed as reading/learning/educational time.... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 26, 2008, 05:32:52 PM
rofl after days like today when people employ that time as sleep time i think it's wise
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 27, 2008, 11:54:59 AM
A blessed day of gratitude to all!   :) :D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 28, 2008, 11:54:30 AM
(http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr266/MiniatureEnthusiastsOfToronto/2008%20Display%20Room/2008_Display_AprilLognon_medieva-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 28, 2008, 12:25:06 PM
 ;D that looks like a nice spread for my birthday. thanks wm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 28, 2008, 02:34:22 PM
Happy Happy Birthday Lady De Pond! 
*sets before you large casks of what you know to be excellent red wine*

Look, Warrior Monk has used his culinary skills to prepare you some plastic suckling pig!
(that is a hysterical image!)

Let the feast begin!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 28, 2008, 02:38:43 PM
lol ff come to think of it. the whole display looks a little on the plastic/wax side
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 28, 2008, 02:51:02 PM
Natal Day Greetings 'ASHLEY of de Coals!(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/bestwishes.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 28, 2008, 03:20:12 PM
thanks ff and sir william  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 28, 2008, 04:34:30 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/CAP121/Emoticons/Holidays/Birthdays/thbirthday_cupcake.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 28, 2008, 05:53:52 PM
 :o cupcake!!!!!!! thanks wm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 29, 2008, 02:33:27 PM
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/jessemims/rolltide.jpg)

ROLL TIDE
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 30, 2008, 03:00:33 AM
Are you referring to University of Alabama's 1930 football team?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 30, 2008, 03:01:17 PM
You must be on to something Brother William....I looked up Roll Tide on Urban Dictionary and this is what I found

1.  Rally chant for University of Alabama athletics, especially football
2.  The only thing that University of Bama students have to learn before graduating.
3.  Something that Joe Scarborough says a lot on his tv show.  (I don't even know who that is though....)
4.  A completely uneducated saying a toothless redneck would say even though Alabama has not been a national    powerhouse in football since the Bear left (ooo, harsh)
5.  roll of toilet paper taped to a box of laundry detergent

But I'm still not sure how this relates here.  Help me TJ, you're my only hope. 

**unless Roll Tide is some secret birthday wish or greeting for Lady De Pond....kinda like, "Party on Sister"**
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 30, 2008, 07:15:37 PM
Nice investigated work sister.  I think its probably safe to say that young Jesse may be overly excited (as with most Bamas) of their college football team "Crimson Tide".  They are currently ranked #1 in the country with 12 victories and zero losses thus far.  From what I understand is they haven't had a wining record that good since 1930, and now more than ever is time to celebrate! 

Although, The fight to watch will be this Saturday as they face #4 Florida Gators on the battlefield

http://www.rolltide.com/trads/elephant.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 01, 2008, 07:32:15 AM
Fellow thread pilgrims,

I had chosen to ignore Confere Jesse's post since up to this point it hadn't anything to do with this thread, but after watching things develop, I have decided to use it and exercise my mind with a response.
You see, here in Alabama much like in the Holy Land of the Middle Ages, people chose one of two sides (either you were a fan of the light or you weren't). The choices here are being either the Auburn faithful, or that other "religion".
Saturday's Iron Bowl, is the yearly epic struggle between the two faiths. This year, it pretty much resembled the debacle of 1187 at the Horns of Hattin.
The forces of light made their trip across the wastes to Tuscaloosa (similar to the trek from Europe to the wastes of the Outremer), where they've (AU) ripped this piece of land from the infidel's possession (UA), since the very first struggle played out there.
This year, Tommy Tuberville (King Guy) was lead to believe that their strength (the playbook) was superior to that of the infidel, and that bravery (Cody Burn's ability) would carry the day. Having watched the epic struggle, I can only believe that Cody (Raynald of Chatillon) was completely overrated.
The King Guy's (Tuberville) forces left good defensible ground (the playbook that had defeated the forces of the infidel each time they had struggled there before) and followed the lead of Raynald (Cody Burns) to the epic doom. With tactics like this, how could the infidel lose?
Much like the historical example, this disaster gave the infidel bragging rights, until the next effort was launched. (In Alabama, that lasts 365 days)
Also in relation to the historical comparison, the sudden incursion by the Mongols (read University of Florida Gators), helped disturb the sound position the Infidel believed that they had achieved. It also reaffirmed the old adage of "an Enemy of my enemy is my friend!"

And I have discovered through my travels and experiences that followers of that "other" religion, tend to be, prior to this season, much like crows on a power line.....when there is only one, you hear not a sound from them, but when clustered in large numbers upon their "high" perch, one can't shut them up!

So until the next epic struggle in November of 09... "War Eagle and Deus vult!"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 01, 2008, 07:55:15 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/BDW.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 01, 2008, 01:49:02 PM
The young ones thank you for your tribute, your Eminence.  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 02, 2008, 10:09:54 AM
This month in Templar history:
(It may also draw out Frere Mikael from his hiding place!  ;))

December 1 (1307)  A siege begins of Templar castle at Miravet (Tortosa district in Catalonia, Spain) by troops of King James II of Aragón. It ends on the 12th of December (1308) with their negotiated surrender.

Miravet is a little village located in the middle of the Terres de l'Ebre, in the middle of a beautiful landscape between mountains, the River Ebro and a leafy bank forest.

(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh266/mariaestrella/FOTOS%20DE%20LLUM/y1pfS0IKMtcC2drNtMMRCAkIZPx3bVkVT0e.jpg)

Making use of a crag, the Moors decided to found the Old Village, and crowning the rock, a great castle, rebuilt by the Knights Templars and transformed into a fortress-monastery, was built after the conquest of 1153. It is considered to be the largest fortified complex in Catalonia, and one of the best examples of Romanesque, religious and military, architecture of the Templar order in the whole Western world.

In 1153, Raymond Berenguer IV conquered the last Andalusian bastion of the Ebro area, Murabit, and granted it as a fief to Pere de Rovira, Knight Templar master of Hispania and Provence. It was a vast estate comprising almost all the current counties of Ribera d'Ebre and Terra Alta. It was called the Ribera District, a large territory halfway between a commandery and a province, on which 27 houses and, later on, the Horta and Ascó commanderies depended.

Miravet controlled the river and land pass to the inland, at the same time it worked as an important administrative and political centre. At the end of the 13th century, the province master lived in Miravet, where the treasure and archives of the Crown Order were kept. During the dissolution process, it was one of the most important Templar resistance centers and heroically defended against a siege lasting more than one year, between 1307 and 1308.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 03, 2008, 06:47:35 AM
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Goddess/orderofthehatchet_heraldry.jpg)


On behalf of the Order of the Hatchet, the Sisterhood that had it's humble beginnings (and end) in the very area (Tortosa district in Catalonia, Spain) over 200 years before the siege at Miravet...thank you for bringing this slice of history back to our attention.  Have you traveled in this area Warrior Monk?

....love a story that makes good use of a crag.   :) ;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 03, 2008, 07:34:26 AM
Yes I have, back in the late 80s, also trod upon the grounds of Barcelona and Loret Del Mar. It's where I went to an original themed "Medieval Times" dinner show.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 03, 2008, 07:48:59 AM
excellent....pictures?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 03, 2008, 07:57:25 AM
Yes, I will have to dig the album out and scan and upload them. It won't be right away..... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 03, 2008, 08:52:57 AM
We are all aware that the holiday season is upon us, so I thought I'd share a little writing and research a friend completed awhile back:

http://medievalhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/a_templar_christmas
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 03, 2008, 08:58:42 AM
warms the heart to know the Templars had a festive Christmas too.... :)  Taxes, food, livestock...what could be better?

(love to see some pictures but don't trouble yourself too much...it's a busy time of year  :D)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 04, 2008, 04:49:32 PM
Just in time for the Holidays!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/detailsboys.jpg)

Total & full protection from shadows, what lurks in the closet, and hides underneath thy beds. Such imaginary creatures will tremble & disperse in total fear!





(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/musabutt.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 04, 2008, 05:50:42 PM
nice outfit wm do they make that adult sizes and they forgot sword of the spirit
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 05, 2008, 06:02:08 AM
I think Brother William is sharing his holiday "wish list" with us.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 05, 2008, 08:16:35 AM
I've had my set for over a year. Lady Lefay gives me a hard time because I won't let her wash them for fear of not havig his protection in the dark hours of the night...... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 05, 2008, 11:44:10 AM
Thanks for that visual....

Warrior Monk, renowned Templar Knight, battle brother and defender of all that is Right, in his Armor of God jammies with the peace footies....AHHHHHH....overload.....does not compute....make it stop!!!!!   ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 05, 2008, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on December 05, 2008, 11:44:10 AM
Thanks for that visual....

Warrior Monk, renowned Templar Knight, battle brother and defender of all that is Right, in his Armor of God jammies with the peace footies....

You forgot my historically accurate Templar crossed "woobie"!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 06, 2008, 07:44:13 AM
A church window in England. (note at least 2 Military Orders, and representations of their work)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/StAndrews.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 06, 2008, 06:01:16 PM
very nice
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 06, 2008, 09:18:21 PM
Great image, and a beautifully crafted piece of art my brother. That is one I have yet to see.  I like how "Agnus Dei" is represented at the top.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Willies%20Images/agnusdei-lambofGod1.jpg)

For our lurkers "Agnus Dei" Lamb of God was a symbol that was favoured by both the Templars & Hospitallers. It represented the martyred Christ, and sacrafice.





Below, Stained glass window of a templar knight in the hall at Rothley Court


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Willies%20Images/RothTwindow.jpg)



(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Willies%20Images/543756400_8278b8dffd.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 08, 2008, 07:04:56 AM
the workmanship of these windows is just amazing. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 08, 2008, 12:00:23 PM
It's actually the subject that makes it so, and not the window's construction itself.  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 08, 2008, 01:07:16 PM
Absolutely!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 08, 2008, 01:53:43 PM
*sighs.* 

*oh boy*

Of course.



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 08, 2008, 02:37:18 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/pope-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 08, 2008, 03:13:40 PM
you know apon further examination of the stained glass art i believe it is a acomplishment of outstanding work and done via woman.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 08, 2008, 07:18:20 PM
Oh Militissa....that's brillant.  By "the way" of woman or "through" woman or "by means of" woman....very, very good.   ;)

:P


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on December 08, 2008, 07:31:58 PM
Aye, the role of women is far too under appreciated. Particularly by they mostly infatuated with their own sword. :o

Hail all strong women, I salute thee! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 09, 2008, 10:24:03 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/laughcard-brownnoser.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 09, 2008, 11:29:37 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/laughcard-brownnoser.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 09, 2008, 02:02:44 PM
I wanted to get the message out, before our thread friends start their yearly pilgrimages to various points around the world...


Natale hilare et annum faustum
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TemplarXmas.jpg)


*similarities between this work and members of this thread are purely coincidental!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 09, 2008, 02:17:05 PM
I am way more clean-shaven than that!   ;) :D  Who do you think he resembles?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 09, 2008, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on December 08, 2008, 07:31:58 PM
Aye, the role of women is far too under appreciated. Particularly by they mostly infatuated with their own sword. :o

Hail all strong women, I salute thee! ;)

Monk O' the Green...

On behalf of the Militissa and myself, we thank thee for your astute salutations!   ;) ;D :D  And I must admit, I too am quite infatuated with my own falchion.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 09, 2008, 03:08:56 PM
Mercy, we just hit 100 pages!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 09, 2008, 03:21:05 PM
and as long as we're getting into the holiday spirit....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/n1553363459_30084904_9364.jpg)

This was our local Christmas parade. (last weekend)  *any excuse to get in garb*  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 09, 2008, 03:33:56 PM
A nice shot of a happier time for you. Looks a lot like gypsies. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on December 09, 2008, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on December 09, 2008, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on December 08, 2008, 07:31:58 PM
Aye, the role of women is far too under appreciated. Particularly by they mostly infatuated with their own sword. :o

Hail all strong women, I salute thee! ;)

Monk O' the Green...

On behalf of the Militissa and myself, we thank thee for your astute salutations!   ;) ;D :D  And I must admit, I too am quite infatuated with my own falchion.  ;)

Your humble servant, Femme Falchion and the Militissa. Thy graciousness enhances thy strength and beauty. Just between thee and I thy green monk, must confess, is quite attached to his dirk. ;D

By the way, who are ye calling a stute? ;)

The best to all this Yule season.

All blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 09, 2008, 05:07:52 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on December 09, 2008, 03:33:56 PM
A nice shot of a happier time for you. Looks a lot like gypsies. ;D

Warrior Monk....thanks for the reminder of the day. 

There's always room for joy.  :)


(p.s. Brother William, you're new avatar is a joy-bringer too  ;D)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 09, 2008, 06:32:59 PM
National Geographic TV just aired their 1 hr show on the Knights Templar.

On a 1 to 10 scale...it's a solid 5. :-\
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 10, 2008, 08:27:54 AM
glad i missed it then if it wasn't that Good
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Mikayla of Phoenicia on December 10, 2008, 05:56:34 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on December 09, 2008, 03:21:05 PM
and as long as we're getting into the holiday spirit....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/n1553363459_30084904_9364.jpg)

This was our local Christmas parade. (last weekend)  *any excuse to get in garb*  ;D ;D

Now this is a woman having fun!  Great pix of you Femme!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 11, 2008, 03:21:37 AM
I have to agree with you a 100% Lady Mikayla, and many thanks for visiting the thread.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on December 13, 2008, 09:31:53 PM
Ok, what ever happened to the desert crusade weather?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 14, 2008, 08:31:42 AM
Quote from: sir clisto on December 13, 2008, 09:31:53 PM
Ok, what ever happened to the desert crusade weather?

Chronicles of the Crusades:

BOOK V.
CH. I.— IN the year 1192, not many days after the feast of the Epiphany, the councillors of the army, joining with them pome of the more discreet of the natives, again consulted about the march to Jerusalem. The Hospitallers, Templars, and Pisans, urged, as before, that the city of Ascalon should first be rebuilt as a check on the Turkish convoys between Babylonia and Jerusalem. To this the majority of the council gave their assent, that Ascalon should be rebuilt to check the arrogance and impede the free passage of the Turks in those parts. When the decision became known the army were much dejected, conceiving that their hopes of seeing the Lord's sepulchre would altogether be frustrated. Their former hilarity altogether disappeared, and was succeeded by despair at what they had just heard. They uttered imprecations on the authors of this counsel as destroyers of all their most ardent wishes. If, however, they had known the penury and destitution of those who dwelt in Jerusalem, they would have derived some little consolation from the tribulation of the enemy. For the Turks in Jerusalem were enduring many severe sufferings from the hail  and snow, which, melting in the in the mountains, caused a flood of water to descend upon the city,
either drowning their cattle, or causing them to perish afterwards from the cold. So great were their sufferings from the state of the weather, that if the Christians had known of them they might certainly have taken the city; though they could not long have kept it, for the people would have returned home after fulfilling their von- of pilgrimage, and there could not have been a sufficient garrison left to defend it.

CM. II.—Of the despondency of the army at the abandonment of their enterprise, and of their return to Ramula.
THE feast of St. Hilary was now at hand, and so great was the disaffection and sorrow of the army that many of them abandoned their pilgrimage, cursing the day in which they were born to suffer such a disappointment. Some of them also were so worn down by their sufferings and by want, that they with difficulty could bear up against it. Their horses and beasts of burden, also, affected by the cold and rain, were unable to proceed through the mud, but fell famished and knocked up beneath their loads.



And we haven't even thought about the Teutonic's "Northern Crusades". ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 14, 2008, 11:00:34 AM
They said, "If you throw a Christmas party....they'll come".....

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/EXPLORE28-5.jpg)


They were right.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 14, 2008, 10:18:48 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on December 14, 2008, 08:31:42 AM
And we haven't even thought about the Teutonic's "Northern Crusades".


One sad day for the Teutonics


One of the major defeats of the Teutonic Order happened because of the misunderstanding of their battle tactics. Generally speaking campaigns are fought in Summer and Spring because of the favourable conditions, but the Teutonic Order because of their campaigns in the North found that Winter campaigns when all the marshy areas were frozen was a better time to engage the enemy. Under orders from a commander used to fighting further South they engaged the Russians around Lake Peipus in April 1242. Thus loosing the battle because the ice would no longer support the weight of their cavalry charge!


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/938849_20070510_screen010.jpg)


Campaign Conditions

During the 'northern crusades' the winters could be so fierce that infantry died on the march, and snow so deep that cavalry rode single file through trenches where the snow had been cut away. At other times the snow was too thick to travel through at all.  Henry of Livonia wrote of winter in the region: 'snow covered the land and ice covered the waves... the waves were as hard as stone.

Source: David Nicolle
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2008, 07:29:55 AM
Not to negate the weather conditions the Brothers of the Teutonic Order operated in, but here's an alternate look at the same event:

A twist to the history......

The Battle of the Ice has been described as an event of major significance, especially by Russian historians. The knights' defeat at the hands of Alexander's forces prevented the crusaders from retaking Pskov, the linchpin of their eastern crusade. The Novgorodians succeeded in defending Russian territory, and the German crusaders never mounted another serious challenge eastward. Alexander was canonised as a saint in the Russian Orthodox Church in 1574.

More recently, historian John I. L. Fennell has called into question the focus on and glorification of the battle, arguing that it was not as important nor as large as has sometimes been portrayed. Most of the Teutonic Knights were engaged elsewhere in the Baltic, and the aforementioned Livonian Rhymed Chronicle gives the figure of only 20 knights killed, which Fennell argued was "hardly indicative of a major encounter even if we take into consideration epic minimalization of the home-team's side." Furthermore, the Russians had suffered a much more serious defeat and conquest at the hands of the Mongols in 1237-1240, and Alexander Nevsky's (and his father's) policy of accommodation or collaboration with the Mongols (or Tatars as they are known in Russia) did much more to harm Russia than his victories on the Neva and on Lake Peipus did to help it. His collaboration, while politically understandable given the power of the Mongols and Russia's relative weakness, was certainly not in keeping with the image he acquired as a brave protector of Russian freedom.

Recent archaeological evidence at the site lends to the now growing belief that the battle wasn't actually a battle at all. It was just a minor skirmish between opposing forces and in no way at all affected the Teutonic Knights future campaigns, as the actual casualties involved were so few. Many now believe that what was actually just a minor skirmish between a couple of hundred men was embellished for propaganda reasons by Alexander Nevsky and his supporters, and in reality there was no such thing as the Battle on the Ice or the Battle of Lake Peipus.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2008, 11:25:59 AM
Interesting twist my brother. Thanks for sharing. 

Now, I just received the first edition of "Outremer" and the only complaint that I have is that I wish it was longer.  Meaning, you can read the entire thing in about 10-15 minutes. Other than that it's good, educational, a first of its kind, and we here at the McCordia preceptory are now looking forward to the next edition.


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/outremer2.png)




About The Comic


Outremer, what a strange title for a comic book!

But, this French word for overseas is precisely what the Crusaders called the Holy Land, where the bulk of our story takes place.

Outremer: The Saga of the Knights Templar is a new ongoing comic series by author Stephen Dafoe and artist Bob Prodor, which sets out to tell the story of the Templars without the usual mythological mumbo jumbo that usually follows them wherever they appear.

Although the series will introduce some fictional elements as part of the story, the plot sticks pretty much to the actual history of the Templars, in all its bloody glory.


Origins Story Arc


The first arc in the series is called Origins - a four part tale that tells the story of how Hugues (Hugh) de Payens and Geoffroi de St. Omer assembled a small army to deal with the problems confronting Jerusalem in the years that followed the First Crusade.

The first issue, while providing plenty of action, paints the back story of the many wars for the conquest of Jerusalem, including de Payens' memories of the brutality of the First Crusade.


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/page12.png)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/page2.png)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/page3.png)

The saved pilgrims are then taken to safety........



For those interested in owning a copy http://www.templarcomics.com/purchase.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2008, 11:40:43 AM
I like the looks of it, but alas, will probably not purchase it. I am setting my sights on either a kite shield, or another version of a Chapel de Fer.

BTW, I have not seen or heard from Frere Mikael, although he's posted some artwork on another site.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2008, 11:47:11 AM
Is there a specific Chapel de Fer you have been looking at?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2008, 12:06:11 PM
I have the KoH one, but am looking for one with a little deeper head area (ie: the space that covers the wearer's head, not the lip that runs around the circumference of the helm).
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2008, 12:14:16 PM
I won't go there  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2008, 12:16:25 PM
Damn!  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2008, 12:31:42 PM
You know, what I know, and I know, that you know what I'm thinking  ;D


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/14cm_bowl_large.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/bestwhistle.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2008, 12:33:51 PM
LOL.......I'm shutting up now about medieval head gear. :P

BTW:

http://www.militaryheritagemagazine.com/2005/aug/fea-peipus.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2008, 01:04:04 PM
I'm going to give the Military Heritage a read right now.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2008, 01:12:21 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2008, 12:31:42 PM
You know, what I know, and I know, that you know what I'm thinking  ;D


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/14cm_bowl_large.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/bestwhistle.gif)

A very good picture of a 3/4 complete Chapel de Fer. All they need to do is add a lining and brim, and "Voila"...

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/warhat.jpg) ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 15, 2008, 01:34:02 PM
walking away from that one I am
the comic sounds interesting though
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2008, 01:52:28 PM
Curious brother, why another kettle?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 15, 2008, 01:55:44 PM
....one can never have enough kettles?


.....or perhaps it's the unthinkable....Warrior Monk's head is getting bigger.   :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2008, 02:03:17 PM
*collapses under the weight of all the verbal innuendo darts to the cyber persona heart*


As for why....I was liking some of the looks the other gave...sort of Teutonic at times. The ones with the pointed top.    :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 15, 2008, 02:12:53 PM
How was it fastened to the head?  It looks as if it could be easy knocked off during battle. 

In all seriousness, what a great look for faire (or lounging in your great hall).  Not commonly seen either. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2008, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on December 15, 2008, 02:12:53 PM
How was it fastened to the head?  It looks as if it could be easy knocked off during battle. 

chin strap

Quote from: Femme Falchion on December 15, 2008, 02:12:53 PM
In all seriousness, what a great look for faire (or lounging in your great hall).  Not commonly seen either. 

I do. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2008, 02:46:23 PM
See this German reenactor's dedication to authenticty of his Order's image:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/ulrichheaume.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 15, 2008, 02:52:22 PM
wow.  It looks hot. (I mean, sweaty.... inside)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 15, 2008, 03:00:10 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on December 15, 2008, 02:46:23 PM
See this German reenactor's dedication to authenticty of his Order's image:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/ulrichheaume.jpg)

he looks a little short
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2008, 03:19:21 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on December 15, 2008, 02:52:22 PM
wow.  It looks hot. (I mean, sweaty.... inside)

Sure, sure....your secret is safe with us.... ;) :P

Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on December 15, 2008, 03:00:10 PM
he looks a little short


But a giant to pagans and infidels! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on December 15, 2008, 03:22:01 PM
He seems a wee bit short to this pagan!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2008, 03:40:55 PM
I bet when he is mounted upon his destrier he isn't to short...pagan!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2008, 03:47:35 PM
Well met Brother William!  ;D

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/teutonic.jpg)


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/posterWM.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 15, 2008, 09:05:34 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2008, 03:40:55 PM
I bet when he is mounted upon his destrier he isn't to short...

Huh....never knew one could do that on a war horse....I learn new things everyday.   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2008, 09:42:34 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/spit.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2008, 10:02:46 PM
Well.....if that wasn't out of the left side of the closet...... :-\
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2008, 10:25:47 PM
As we know brother. She could not resist, it is her weakness
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 16, 2008, 08:16:31 AM
Rofl ff i think you caught them off guard again
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 16, 2008, 03:31:05 PM
Aaaaaahhhhhhh...........no. ;D ;) :P

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Remission.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on December 17, 2008, 08:44:33 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2008, 03:40:55 PM
I bet when he is mounted upon his destrier he isn't to short...pagan!  ;)

A suitably sized charger for your Teutonic knight (no need to carry the orange crate around). ;D

(http://www.intaglio-fine-art.com/images/trc224.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on December 17, 2008, 09:05:05 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on December 15, 2008, 03:47:35 PM
Well met Brother William!  ;D

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/teutonic.jpg)


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/posterWM.jpg)

Warrior Monks sizing pagans. :o

(http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/Head_crush.png)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 17, 2008, 10:37:00 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 17, 2008, 12:05:11 PM
Another example...

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/PaganOwned.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on December 17, 2008, 12:11:03 PM
HAW...HAW...HAW. What magic is this? :-\
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 17, 2008, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on December 17, 2008, 12:05:11 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/PaganWarriorMonkComparison1.jpg)
(http://bestsmileys.com/lol/20.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 17, 2008, 12:21:15 PM
Magic?? No Magic pagan. You are only seeing what is seen through the eyes of the true God!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/Lucassays.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on December 17, 2008, 01:04:03 PM
You believe in your magic and I'll believe in mine, eh. 8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 17, 2008, 01:35:31 PM
Ours is called "Faith", yours is called "Heresy"....... :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 17, 2008, 01:39:07 PM
boys, boys.....is all this posturing still about size????  




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 17, 2008, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on December 17, 2008, 01:39:07 PM
boys, boys.....is all this posturing still about size????  

No....not at all M'lady.
Please see previous posted "historical" factoid.......
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Crusaders-1.jpg)

:P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 17, 2008, 02:04:55 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on December 17, 2008, 01:35:31 PM
Ours is called "Faith", yours is called "Heresy"....... :P ;) ;D

Yours is called "Faith", mine is called "Knowledge"   :) ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 17, 2008, 02:25:01 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/blas.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 17, 2008, 02:41:51 PM
Love it!  ;D ;D :D

*geek alert*
Someday you'll have to give me the stats on the Level 12 Cleric Kitten.  Is that in the Monster Manual?

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 17, 2008, 02:44:28 PM
Good to have you back in the "Game".

No, it's a new player character class....... ;D

•   Strength (STR): 4
•   Dexterity (DEX): 18 (+5 save vs gravitational inversion)
•   Constitution (CON): any number x 9
•   Intelligence (INT): 10 (-10 vs curiousity)
•   Wisdom (WIS): 15
•   Charisma (CHA): 1 (suffers from species aloofness)
•   Comeliness (COM): 15 (lower if Sphynx or Persian guilds)

Special ability: the use of the Hairball of Heretic Slaying
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 17, 2008, 03:15:00 PM
Drat.  *hoping to attempt to turn it*

*picks up a club and a ball of twine instead*




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 18, 2008, 07:36:51 AM
On a completely different and intersting side note:

http://ejmas.com/jwma/articles/2003/jwmaart_amberger_0603.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 18, 2008, 10:18:02 AM
Interesting story. Especially about Sunday being reserved for getting drunk and duelling.  Had me thinking about 15 years ago I would of been one of those guys.  ;) ;D "Wait a minute..  thats the SCA!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 18, 2008, 10:20:58 AM


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/3WM.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 18, 2008, 10:31:44 AM
scares the "Pagan" right out of folks!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 19, 2008, 12:30:58 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/080402_checkpoint.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 19, 2008, 01:27:36 PM
Wow! An Alexander Nevsky fan club!!! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 19, 2008, 02:39:55 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on December 19, 2008, 12:30:58 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/080402_checkpoint.jpg)


hey that fellow in the far left corner he looks like the sheriff of nottingham
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 21, 2008, 09:23:15 AM
To all my thread family:

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good Knight!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/CC.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 21, 2008, 12:24:34 PM
Book Store ALERT!

Barbara Frale's book The Knights Templar, The Secret History Revealed is out on the shelves. It had shown to come out in Jan 09, but Barnes and Noble has it now!
Ms Frale is famous for discovering the lost records of the Trial of the Templars. The records that show them innocent of the charges dreamed up by Philip IV and his lap dogs.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 21, 2008, 01:31:17 PM
What an excellent gift to find under your tree Warrior Monk.  (Poor lap dogs, they get blamed for everything! Remember what an instigator Toto was?)


I also extend my winter greetings to friends here....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/winter_solstice.jpg)
May your celebration
of this season of holidays
draw deep from the
abundant joy, fierce hopes and enduring traditions
of all our ancestors.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on December 21, 2008, 07:36:06 PM
Wishing Everyone Here a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Hopefully next year I will feel a little better at posting I have read several books and studied about the Knights Templar just not good at talking about things.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on December 22, 2008, 08:27:05 AM
The Winter Solstice has passed as we travel towards increasing light.

"Blessed are the peace makers, for they shall inherit the Earth."

- Jesus of Nazareth -

All Blessings be upon those here, thy kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 22, 2008, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on December 21, 2008, 12:24:34 PM
Book Store ALERT!

Barbara Frale's book The Knights Templar, The Secret History Revealed is out on the shelves. It had shown to come out in Jan 09, but Barnes and Noble has it now!
Ms Frale is famous for discovering the lost records of the Trial of the Templars. The records that show them innocent of the charges dreamed up by Philip IV and his lap dogs.


Been waiting for that one, and its already available.. right on!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Manwariel on December 22, 2008, 04:47:14 PM
I knighted the Christmas gingerbread men:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i319/thesilentwarrior/Christmas/2008/003.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 22, 2008, 05:15:55 PM
Ah Ha!  A culinary expert in the art of crusader cookies! It appears as some of them have nasal helms with chainmaille hauberks...  correct?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Manwariel on December 22, 2008, 05:24:27 PM
Correct :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 22, 2008, 05:49:35 PM
Outstanding!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 22, 2008, 06:19:42 PM
Frere William should share his photos of a year ago.... :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 22, 2008, 09:06:57 PM
I honor the request, and bestow unto those who have yet to see bakery perfection!

Behold!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/Templardelights1.jpg)

Lucas de Beaumanoir Approved Cookies
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 22, 2008, 09:10:17 PM
Impressive, beautifully done cookies Manwariel & Brother William!  I like the chain maille....

Yum.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 22, 2008, 10:45:13 PM
Thank you sister for the kind words.

On another note: I have located Barbara Frale's NEW book The Knights Templar, The Secret History Revealed on Amazon as well. It could even save you a little coinage.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on December 23, 2008, 12:30:37 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on December 22, 2008, 09:06:57 PM
I honor the request, and bestow unto those who have yet to see bakery perfection!

Behold!

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Lucas de Beaumanoir Approved Cookies

Now that is cool. Baked by the  "Templar Elves" inside a hollowed out church.  :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 23, 2008, 07:10:06 AM
 well since i'm not sure what to expect tomorrow at work or today that matter I want to wish all my friends here a wonderful and merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 23, 2008, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on December 22, 2008, 10:45:13 PM
Thank you sister for the kind words.

On another note: I have located Barbara Frale's NEW book The Knights Templar, The Secret History Revealed on Amazon as well. It could even save you a little coinage.

Yup, could have saved myself 7 dollars, but I wanted it NOW!!! ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 23, 2008, 09:25:11 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on December 22, 2008, 09:06:57 PM
Lucas de Beaumanoir Approved Cookies


If he approves them, you know they have to be good!
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Master de Beaumanoir leaves the DEUSVULT Cookie Company with a bag of divinely edible goods
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 23, 2008, 10:39:12 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on December 23, 2008, 09:22:09 AM
Yup, could have saved myself 7 dollars, but I wanted it NOW!!! ;) :P ;D

I understand that all to well my brother  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 23, 2008, 10:52:30 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Holiday%20Gifs/xmastree4_e0.gif)A Merry Christmas to you sister ASHley, and the most sincerest of warmest wishes to all brothers & sisters of the thread this Holiday Season...Deus Vult!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 24, 2008, 11:31:26 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Manwariel on December 24, 2008, 02:07:30 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on December 25, 2008, 11:23:35 AM
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all my fellow Knights and Sisters.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 27, 2008, 12:25:13 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on December 24, 2008, 11:31:26 AM
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Classic!


Also Introducing Exodus new piece: Children of a Worthless God

By request of Joseph Von Lamar




Brainwashed into madness,
your children are killers without fear
Manipulate and dominate,
stealing their lives for your hate
Twisted perverted minds,
think as we do or you die
Demagogue, fanatical tyrant
a false prophet seething with lies

I you fear, seeing through your lies
You I fear, raping of innocent minds

Follow us blindly or die like a dog
Blood mixed with sand for this holy war
Your saviors a killer, you die for Allah
You are all children of a worthless god

Propagation of violence
your one god a disease upon man
Execution, crucifixion
the answer for those not in your plan
The penalty for contempt against your god
is death and nothing else
Ignorant infidels
are subhuman and will all burn in hell

I you fear, seeing through your lies
You I fear, raping of innocent minds

Follow us blindly or die like a dog
Blood mixed with sand for this holy war
Your saviors a killer, you die for Allah
You are all children of a worthless god

[Solo: Gary]
[Solo: Lee]

Smite the perverts and the obstinate
praising the death of the free
United States of Islam
that's what you would like it to be
Violate the unbelievers
praising crimes against man
Human rights mean nothing
Doctrine of death a scourge upon man

I you fear, seeing through your lies
You I fear, raping of innocent minds

Follow us blindly or die like a dog
Blood mixed with sand for this holy war
Your saviors a killer, you die for Allah
You are all children of a worthless god

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 27, 2008, 02:20:10 PM
Now, now......with posts like that, you might offend someone............maybe the next president even... ::)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 27, 2008, 02:22:36 PM
A little look inside the preceptory at Christmas:

I found these in my stocking! Sister Hatchet, did you by chance put down the wrong mailing address?

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Oh Sister, do these ladies like to race!  Pull them back and let them go.  It's your religious right to race these sisters.  Use divine intervention to lead them to victory.
Some of us have gotten into the "habbit" (okay, that one was pretty bad) of lining them up on opposite sides for crazy head on collisions.  It's just like church.

Includes:
- One pair of Racing Nuns (3 1/2 in. x 2 in ea.) in snazzy packaging. 
- No batteries necessary.

The Racing Nuns are a holy deal!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 28, 2008, 10:44:47 AM
In stores located right next to the "Nun Chucks!"  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/bestwhistle.gif)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 29, 2008, 09:57:21 AM
ohhh that is hillarious

onnn a more serious note discovered this author at Christmas
he's got a trilogy my templar minded friends might be interested in
the series is called the celtic crusades from Stephen R. Lawhead
the first book in the series is called the Iron lance followed via the black rod and the mystic rose.
thats probley going to be the next series i pick up once i'm done with the king Raven Triology and the song of Albion series.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 29, 2008, 10:09:44 AM
An interesting suggestion Lady ASHley. Well done. On my last trip to the "Outremer", I read some other fictional books on the Order. I tend to have to grit my teeth over the license the authors take at times.

I am enjoying Barbara Frale's book on the Order currently!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 29, 2008, 10:49:13 AM

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 29, 2008, 11:58:45 AM
If memory serves me correctly, Grand Master Lucas de Beaumanoir approved of this form of recreation in the preceptories, when they had time between weapons and horse maintenance and obligatory prayer.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 29, 2008, 03:50:57 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on December 30, 2008, 02:45:47 AM
That is funny.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 30, 2008, 08:25:10 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 30, 2008, 10:33:57 AM
he's just laughing on the otherside of his face
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 31, 2008, 01:13:58 AM
Got a laugh out of this. Compliments to Lord Blackwolf for the text.


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Lucas de Beaumanoir Approved
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 31, 2008, 07:47:18 AM
Splendid!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 31, 2008, 03:06:48 PM
Midwinter Blessings Brothers and Sisters!   ;D

With glad hearts may we celebrate the passing of the old year and the birth of the new!   


Sorry to have missed the current reading discussion; Professor Monk, hope you post your reading journal for Frale's book.  Anything interesting to share with your students yet?

I am just finishing The Winter Solstice; The Sacred Traditions of Christmas by John Matthews
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 31, 2008, 09:54:24 PM
It has arrived!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 02, 2009, 12:26:51 AM
TEMPLAR CASTLE FOR SALE IN ITALY.

http://www.castles-for-sale.com/sale/Perugia/index.htm



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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 02, 2009, 07:40:00 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 03, 2009, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on December 29, 2008, 10:09:44 AM
I am enjoying Barbara Frale's book on the Order currently!  ;D

Absolutely, I'm a little more than half way through it and I'm liking it very much.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 03, 2009, 05:06:54 PM
Barbara Frale: Vatican historian, shatterer of Templar myths

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on January 04, 2009, 10:00:34 AM
Hear ye learned gentlemen and noble knights. What, in thy opinion, is the single most propagated and damaging myth about the Templars? Keep in mind, thy humble servant is a simple pagan and tends to drift into dream. So, I beseech thee to summarize, keeping thy response to a mere...several hundred words. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 04, 2009, 04:40:52 PM
That of the Masonic connections, especially with Contemporary organizations that are numerically non-"mason"!
That group of fellows started long after the disolution of the Order.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 04, 2009, 06:26:44 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/BarbaraFrale.jpg)

Saved by a woman.

Again.

Love it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 04, 2009, 07:24:28 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 04, 2009, 06:26:44 PM
Saved by a woman.

Again.

Sister Hatchet,

They were never saved by a woman.... :P ;) ;D....their activities although questioned, were proved to be irreproachable! The only thing Ms Frale did was help bring that fact back to the forefront of public Templar knowledge, thus sweeping away the "historical" quagmire that Dan Brown helped to build with his "best selling" tripe called the Davinci Code.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 04, 2009, 07:25:23 PM
BTW, Welcome back, your absence was quite noticeable.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 05, 2009, 08:56:48 AM
I have been remiss in getting into attire as of late, and Brother William has been posting some great new shots lately, so in between bouts of bad weather, I decided to dust off some of the attire and take some shots. (Note: there is a shot out there that has the Order of the Temple linked with the Clone Army of Episode II of Star Wars, it was done at the request of a young jedi  *these are not the pictures you should be taking....ones with Star Wars memorabilia is what you want to take*) [she has also linked Grand Master de Beaumanoir and Count Dooku together: Grand Master -> Jedi -> Jedi Master -> Sith Lord is her equation]


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/KT09F.jpg)

And a Sergeant of the Temple:

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These photos will be removed in three days' time.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 05, 2009, 09:22:01 AM
not an oppentent for the faint of heart
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 05, 2009, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on January 04, 2009, 07:24:28 PM
Saved by a woman.

Warrior Monk,

My point is.....this period of truth and charity would not have come had it not been for Dr. Frale's discovery of the incorrectly catalogued Chinon document and subsequent study of the prayer (addressed to "Holy Mary", the "consolation of those who hope", and "humbly implores" her to obtain freedom for the order) that proved the dissolved order was not heretical. 

*how can I pass up an opportunity to score one for the girls  :D ;D ;)*

Great images posted...any new goodies from your draper over the holidays?  Having difficulty identifying the Star Wars link except that the sword appears to be glowing green in the last photo.  Is that correct? 

and of course, great hatchet!  :D

Divine to be back.



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 05, 2009, 01:34:01 PM
Point ceeded, score one for the women:

Warrior Monks                          Sisters
      1000                                    1


As for the Star Wars reference, that representation hasn't been posted yet.......yet.  ;)


* I did get a belt pouch.....finally!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 05, 2009, 01:35:32 PM
Gosh, for a Templar you don't know how to count very well.....


*thought the pouch looked new...nice*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 05, 2009, 01:36:35 PM
Sorry, my bad...

Warrior Monks                          Sisters
   1,000,000                                    1

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 05, 2009, 01:59:09 PM
*yawn*

inflated numbers, inflated head....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 05, 2009, 02:17:36 PM
Makes my great helm fit better..... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 05, 2009, 02:23:41 PM
and praise god for that....

because not everyone can wear a helm like you and Brother William   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 05, 2009, 02:24:41 PM
*scratches head* Not sure how to take that one.... ???  ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 05, 2009, 02:36:44 PM
not everyone can wear a helm well....in terms of garbing

(and this concludes the complimentary part of today's program   :P :P)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 05, 2009, 02:42:06 PM
Sure...only because it covers my mug....lol!
I know the deal!  :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 05, 2009, 03:26:51 PM
Great pics indeed brother. 

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/LucasApproved2.jpg)

I must ask if you added another haulberk to your inventory or weathered yours by chance?  It looks good & battle worn,  and seems to appear much darker than one remembers.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 05, 2009, 03:29:45 PM
I have two now. With "matching" coifs. What fun to be had...it's like playing "Barbies" for Crusaders! ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 05, 2009, 03:31:15 PM
Rofl life size barbie crusader
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 05, 2009, 03:32:04 PM
Is the new addition flat ringed by chance?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 05, 2009, 03:32:13 PM
Amen Sister!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 05, 2009, 03:33:07 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on January 05, 2009, 03:32:04 PM
Is the new addition flat ringed by chance?

Why yes it is, and it's:

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/LucasApproved2.jpg)


Love that!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 05, 2009, 03:34:17 PM
SWEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeT!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 05, 2009, 06:52:23 PM
...apparently zeal for garb transcends gender....how refreshing!   :) ;) ;D

Shop on Brothers and Sisters.....

*Sister Hatchet prays that we continue to all do our part to stimulate the, ah, what?, oh..... the economy*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on January 06, 2009, 03:18:59 AM
HEY EVERYONE!!! Sorry i havnt posted in a while, still been keeping up with everything...life gets kinda crazy sometimes. I regret to inform all of yall that I will be a pirate, this year. Now, i dont really like most pirates i meet at faire, but I have had the desire to give it a try for quite some time, even though they are godless, peasants. Please brothers and sisters dont think less of me.   :-\
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 06, 2009, 09:00:31 AM
So, should we refer to you as Pirate Jesse? Or Captain Jesse Sparrow?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 06, 2009, 10:33:21 AM
From this sad news, I shall refer to you in the past tense..... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 06, 2009, 11:00:30 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 06, 2009, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on January 06, 2009, 11:00:30 AM
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ROFLMAO   again!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 06, 2009, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on January 06, 2009, 03:18:59 AM
Please brothers and sisters dont think less of me.   :-\

Don't be frettin' Captain TJ....I be sure your choices wont be changin' what the Brothers and Sisters think of you one bit.. ;)..but I be wantin' to know....what has lured you o'er to the other side?  Tis it the booty, the lasses, the grog?

Once I had the desire to be a godly, noble-born, damsel in distress at faire.  Then I sobered up.   ;)

It's ne'er too late to change yer mind Captain. 


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 06, 2009, 02:02:25 PM
It's has to be the rum & wenches. Being such a young lad it is easy to be seduced by such temptations.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 06, 2009, 02:19:49 PM
it sounds as if you have experience in these matters Brother William, wistful for the good ole' days?

...was going to suggest an exorcism since you've been so effective with that technique in the past   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 06, 2009, 02:33:18 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 06, 2009, 01:36:15 PM
Once I had the desire to be a godly, noble-born, damsel in distress at faire. 

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Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 06, 2009, 01:36:15 PM
Then I sobered up.   ;)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 06, 2009, 02:54:17 PM
(Warrior Monk....don't forget, my character doesn't live in your "HIStorically accurate" world)   ;) :D :P ;D


and *geek alert*

rolling savings throws against distress is not helpful when defending one's homeland in melee combat
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on January 06, 2009, 02:59:11 PM
well, ive always loved the ocean, i go to the beach multiple times a year, i grew up being the son of one of the biggest jimmy buffet fans(parrot head). I do not like pirates more than, anything medieval, like ive said when i introduced my self, im going to school right now to get a masters in history, mainly medieval. i gre up having few cool teachers, so i want to be one kids will never forget. any way, one reason i am being a pirate ths year, is because of my friend will. i told yall how he broke hisback a couple of months ago... so he can not wear his armor for quite a while.he loves all things medieval like i do. but he cannot dress as a knight, so he will be being something a little more comfortable. its a sore subject for all of my friends. as i said in my earlier post, all pirates i meet at faires so far, have been...i wont talk about that. and all the jack sparrows, im not going there!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 06, 2009, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 06, 2009, 02:54:17 PM
(Warrior Monk....don't forget,.........

Yours, in my HIStorically accurate world.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/crosstobear.jpg)


;D :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 06, 2009, 03:15:54 PM
Templared Jesse (remember the past tense reference?)

You could always make the following a "reality"!!

The Templar Pirates

The maritime history of the Knights Templar following the Church's attempt to expunge them in southern France

• Shows that the pirates of legend originated with the Knights Templar's secret navy

• Reveals the Templars' secret objective to establish a new universal order based on spirituality, wisdom, and individualism--the New Jerusalem

• Examines the secret history of the Templars' influence in international politics

When the Vatican condemned the Order of the Temple in 1312, many of those who escaped took to the sea. Their immediate objective was to take revenge on the Church. Recent discoveries confirm that ships of the Templar fleet that went missing at La Rochelle later reappeared--first in the Mediterranean and later in the Atlantic and Caribbean--to menace the Church's maritime commerce. These Templar vessels often flew the famed Jolly Roger, which took its name from King Roger II of Sicily, a famed Templar who, during a public spat with the Pope in 1127, was the first to fly this flag.

Opportunistic buccaneers were quick to see that vast wealth could be gained in pursuing the Templars' harassment of the Pope's interests on the high seas, and they spread a reign of terror across the shipping lanes of the New World. Some unaffiliated pirates, in admiration of the Templar egalitarian ideals, even formed their own secret societies, and together with the Templars were part of the ferment that gave rise to independence movements in France and the New World and contributed to the growth of Freemasonry.

The Templar Pirates is the story of the birth and actual conduct of piracy on the seas of the New World and of the influence the Templars had on their constituents, and, by their wealth, on the governments of nations old and new.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 06, 2009, 03:25:32 PM
I was just getting to suggest that! 

There you go Jesse..GO FOR IT!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/Temparship.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/ships.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 06, 2009, 03:27:11 PM
TJed

I love the sacrifice you're willing to make for your healing companion.  Brotherhood.  Also, I don't believe your interactions with Pirates at faire are representative...I have never met a Gentlemen o' fortune that I didn't like!   ;) ;D


Warrior Monk..

Great information on the Templar Buccanneers.  Does this mean there were Templar Wenches too?
*Now that would be some fun garbing!*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 06, 2009, 03:29:22 PM
Brother William...keep both pictures posted...what great visuals!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 06, 2009, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 06, 2009, 03:27:11 PM
Does this mean there were Templar Wenches too?
*Now that would be some fun garbing!*

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/12Dec08015.jpg)




That Templar Pirates stuff is  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 06, 2009, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 06, 2009, 03:29:22 PM
Brother William...keep both pictures posted...what great visuals!

As Requested
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 06, 2009, 03:45:59 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on January 06, 2009, 03:31:35 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/12Dec08015.jpg)

Master Lucas is appearing to be a little aggravated  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 06, 2009, 03:54:35 PM
Warrior Monk, er, oops, I mean, Lucas De Beaumanior always appears a little aggravated  ;)


(Thanks Brother William for the pictures)  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on January 06, 2009, 04:35:58 PM
I WILL DEFINATLEY START THE TEMPLAR PIRATES!!! My new persona will be a disgruntled decedent of a once noble family of Templars! ill figure something out with the garb, if ya got any suggestions by all means let me know!!!1!!eleven!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 07, 2009, 03:27:41 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/TemplarShipRing.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 07, 2009, 06:33:27 AM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on January 06, 2009, 04:35:58 PM
My new persona will be a disgruntled decedent of a once noble family of Templars!

Very interesting TJed....your new persona will be a discontented undead Templar pirate of noble blood commandeering a ghost ship? 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 07, 2009, 10:34:24 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 07, 2009, 06:33:27 AM
your new persona will be a discontented undead Templar pirate of noble blood commandeering a ghost ship? 

Yeah.. with that persona your on a mission and good to go! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/grinning-smiley-004.gif)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/ship.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 07, 2009, 11:00:13 AM
 ;D hmmmm a templar pirate never seen one but that should be interesting to see
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 07, 2009, 11:32:40 AM
I don't know.....just can't picture it yet......

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/thecaptweb.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 07, 2009, 12:11:09 PM
I don't know either....is it me?  I'm feeling kinda weird here

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/SWMpyrateII.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 07, 2009, 01:13:39 PM
who says you can't have it all?

(besides Master Lucas of course  ;))
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 07, 2009, 03:06:02 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/angry_pope.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 07, 2009, 03:52:07 PM
 ;D did they forget to ask him what he planned to go as :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 08, 2009, 09:24:33 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on January 07, 2009, 03:52:07 PM
;D did they forget to ask him what he planned to go as :D

Not sure about John, although "Benedict" is a no brainer  ;)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/pope_looks_like_palpatine_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 08, 2009, 09:36:20 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/BummingJohn.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 08, 2009, 10:04:54 AM
Rofl good one Brother Marcus
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 08, 2009, 11:55:23 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/DagobertII.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 08, 2009, 02:27:16 PM
QuoteAnd you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you

Yes! *Sister Hatchet says with conviction*

....and heed the words that Brother William has put before you, for no man or woman shall want to be laid with vengeance   ;) ;D


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on January 08, 2009, 02:36:15 PM
Oh, Sister! :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 08, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on January 08, 2009, 11:55:23 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/DagobertII.jpg)

Absolutely inspiring! Ranks in my book with KJB Romans 13:4  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 08, 2009, 02:48:49 PM
...and what's not to love about a "Finder of Lost Children"


*going to look for mine*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 08, 2009, 02:56:09 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 08, 2009, 02:27:16 PM
for no man or woman shall want to be laid with vengeance   ;) ;D

:o OMG!  :o


*speed dials OIC of Holy SEE* *Requests expedited review of possible excommunication proclamation...*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 08, 2009, 03:02:33 PM
Warrior Monk....no need to get your bries all in a twist.  I simply was paraphrasing the good words.  Perhaps it is your interpretation that requires further examination
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 08, 2009, 03:14:32 PM
Ha! Almost Sister........almost... ;) :P

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Crusaders-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 08, 2009, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on January 08, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
Ranks in my book with KJB Romans 13:4  ;D

Romans 13:4 (King James Version)

For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.


Another favorite of mine is....


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Holiday%20Gifs/DucesPrayer.jpg)

Followed by.....

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Holiday%20Gifs/FamilyprayerI.jpg)

Can you guess what movie they were featured in??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 08, 2009, 05:33:47 PM
Boondock Saints?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 08, 2009, 05:55:54 PM
I could list a few it definitely is not.......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 08, 2009, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on January 08, 2009, 05:33:47 PM
Boondock Saints?

WINNER

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Holiday%20Gifs/BoondockSaintsPrayer2.jpg)

Lets see what you won!














A years supply of Rice-a'Roni... "That San Francisco Treat!"

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/ricearoni.jpg)


And a lifetime supply of Turtle Wax Carnauba Car Wax.....

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/tucapawax14o.jpg)

Because your going to need that car wax Frere Cliff de Beaumanoir to keep that shine on yoooooouuuur.......






















BRAND NEW TRUCK!!!!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/TTRKIII.jpg)

CONGRATULATIONS!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 09, 2009, 05:25:13 AM
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/shrimper63/clapping_crowd.gif)

Awesome! When can I take delivery? Can I have it in a FORD? :P ;) ;D


I feel so overjoyed!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 09, 2009, 07:17:17 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on January 09, 2009, 05:25:13 AM
Awesome! When can I take delivery? Can I have it in a FORD? :P ;) ;D

I feel so overjoyed!!!!

he wants it in a found on road dead instead  :o :o ohhhh lets see what i can dig up

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 09, 2009, 09:36:13 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on January 09, 2009, 05:25:13 AM
Can I have it in a FORD?

Unfortunately with promotional agreements with our advertisers we will be unable to honor your request.

Although,  we personally know someone that will swap you his Ford Teutonic for your New GMC Crusader. It's a considerable downgrade, however it is a Ford.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/Teutonicpickup.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 09, 2009, 05:00:57 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/LdB-2.jpg)

Remember when you see your local carriage/wagon merchant to mention "Deus vult" for exclusive deals on this model!

Limited numbers available, so act now!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 09, 2009, 05:05:08 PM
I'd have to sell my soul to afford that model.... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 09, 2009, 06:07:05 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/24.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icon_lol.gif)  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/24.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/icon_lol.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 09, 2009, 11:03:51 PM
as said Warrior i found your truck for you it's a FORD
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w56/angelswalkin/1231563730.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on January 11, 2009, 10:11:27 PM
So, is everyone excited about the last Templar miniseries, showing on NBC on January 24th and 25th?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 12, 2009, 09:00:38 AM
I'll more than likely watch it or record it.  I can't say that I'm excited about though due to its fictional storyline.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 12, 2009, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on January 09, 2009, 11:03:51 PM
as said Warrior i found your truck for you it's a FORD

Sister, I trust you didn't have to travel far in the Outremer of Georgia to find this representation. Is this not the stables in front of your very own preceptory?  :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 12, 2009, 12:05:21 PM
Rofl haaaaa i don't have any ford's i had to go looking for that one for you
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 12, 2009, 12:13:53 PM
Yep...You had to go look for that one, and we know that you didn't have to go that far to find it ;)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/LyingASH1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thicon_loll.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 12, 2009, 12:18:27 PM
Can't stop laughing!! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 12, 2009, 12:25:28 PM
Well, thanks for clarifying because I thought it was a shot of the parking lot from the last Council meeting.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 12, 2009, 12:43:53 PM
Yep...You had to go look for that one, and we know that you didn't have to go that far to find it

Yeah right in your front yard  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 12, 2009, 12:54:02 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 12, 2009, 12:25:28 PM
Well, thanks for clarifying because I thought it was a shot of the parking lot from the last Council meeting.....

Not exactly. Thats just what we wanted you to think  ;) :D ;D

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/AshFemmeIII.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 12, 2009, 01:07:42 PM
Nicely done Brother William, I expected nothing less!!   ;D

*and there was great mirth and laughing*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 12, 2009, 01:09:37 PM
Once he was the student, now he is the MASTER!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 12, 2009, 01:13:16 PM
See what happens when I have absolutely nothing to do.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 12, 2009, 01:29:11 PM
Rofl yeah we noticed
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 12, 2009, 01:30:04 PM
*Sister Hatchet muses*

Then it's true, "Idle hands do the devil's work"

*as she busies herself*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 12, 2009, 02:10:27 PM
Sisters Doin' It For Themselves
(A Vignette)

One sunny spring afternoon Sister Hatchet and Sister ASHley were in the fields gathering medicinal herbs when they were beset upon by evil Georgian infidels.  Although they sent word to the Council for aid, none came.  No matter.  The Sisters easily defended themselves and soon secured the area.  Although there was some property damage (an overzealous swing of the hatchet) it was occasion for great celebration.  Below you can see the Sisters posing next to their battle trophies.


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/AshFemmeIII.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 12, 2009, 02:46:52 PM
OPEN DOOR ALERT!!

Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 12, 2009, 02:10:27 PM
Sisters Doin' It For Themselves
(A Vignette)

Although they sent word to the Council for aid, none came. 

We thought you could handle it...there were two of you...........now we see the truth.. ;) ;D :P

Once he finds himself in the thick of battle, this knight sets aside his previous gentleness, as if to say, "Do I not hate those who hate you, O Lord; am I not disgusted with your enemies?" These men at once fall violently upon the foe, regarding them as so many sheep. No matter how outnumbered they are, they never regard these as fierce barbarians or as awe-inspiring hordes. Nor do they presume on their own strength, but trust in the Lord of armies to grant them the victory. They are mindful of the words of Maccabees, "It is simple enough for a multitude to be vanquished by a handful. It makes no difference to the God of heaven whether he grants deliverance by the hands of few or many; for victory in war is not dependent on a big army, and bravery is the gift of heaven." On numerous occasions they had seen one man pursue a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 12, 2009, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 12, 2009, 02:10:27 PM
Georgian infidels. 

Georgian infidels??? Not in those rides sister! Those rides crossed the Rio Grande and belong to Banditos skilled in the art of painting & drywalling.







(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/bandit.gif) Si!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 12, 2009, 03:32:52 PM
Masons?  :P ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 12, 2009, 03:44:09 PM
Pancho Masons
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 12, 2009, 03:54:36 PM
Easy now......they built this country!  ;) Noww back to thread focus, when I get back tonight, I will review the master plan for the future since the Templar's reputation has been cleared.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 12, 2009, 05:25:48 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/posterswvii.jpg)


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/poster51914930.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on January 12, 2009, 05:33:32 PM
Id stand behind them!

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/jessemims/l_16f94f6e372379f91d30c189a3897513.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 12, 2009, 07:39:45 PM
The little one definitely has psionic abilities (must be from her Mother's side  ;))

She reminds me of the all-knowing/all-seeing little girl in the Dune series.....

Great pictures, what a fun way to spend time together.  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 13, 2009, 08:25:38 AM
Right on Darth Brynnius!


WARNING:When she sticks her hand out like that, thats usually the last thing you'll remember. (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/Eyecrazy.gif)

Templar Clones?? Hello Hollywood....."I have this idea....


Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 12, 2009, 07:39:45 PM
She reminds me of the all-knowing/all-seeing little girl in the Dune series.....

Are you referring to little "Alicia Witt?"



(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/LittleAliciaWitts_Photo.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 13, 2009, 08:41:24 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 12, 2009, 07:39:45 PM
the all-knowing/all-seeing little girl .....

You met my child? ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 13, 2009, 12:52:43 PM
*I guess this is where Sister Hatchet is supposed to chime in*

"Chip off the old block, your Eminence"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 13, 2009, 01:16:10 PM
Oh, not at all! She takes after her mother....lol!  ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 13, 2009, 01:19:48 PM
 a good thing indeed
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 13, 2009, 01:22:11 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/DuneWittedit.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 13, 2009, 01:35:07 PM
As Brother William can probably attest to......."Been there, seen that, and had the t-shirt taken away from me".

Note: The casualty radius of such a stare usually includes everyone in the room, but it has been known to have directional capability to decrease colateral damage.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 13, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
ahhhaaa yes the stare that sends all men quivering to thier knees begging for Mercy
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 13, 2009, 02:33:17 PM
Wow Militissa, you seem to have experience with this...

*wants to see the stats of this spell-like ability.....and who is Mercy?*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 13, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
OPEN DOOR ALERT!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 13, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on January 13, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
OPEN DOOR ALERT!

you're going to have to clarify this for me....I don't get it (and didn't the last time)   :-\
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 13, 2009, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 13, 2009, 02:33:17 PM
.....and who is Mercy?*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 13, 2009, 03:20:47 PM
well hurry then, run through before it closes..... :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 13, 2009, 04:39:29 PM

This Saturday, January 17, 2009

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/HCI.jpg)



8-10pm -- The Templar Code -

For nearly two centuries, the Knights Templar were the medieval world's most powerful order, a fearsome and unstoppable Crusader militia. Then came accusations of unspeakable crimes. Who were the Templars, really? How did they become so powerful, so fast, and why did they fall just as quickly? Evidence hints that the Templars excavated under Jerusalem's Temple of Solomon. What did they find there? Was it, as The Da Vinci Code suggests, the true identity of the Holy Grail--the bloodline of Christ? Or an unimaginable treasure, documented in the Dead Sea Scrolls, buried 1,000 years before Christ's birth? We explore the Templar's origin, how they lived, trained, fought and became a medieval world power, and the suspicious circumstances behind their sudden downfall. Plus, we reveal why these warriors, dead for seven centuries, and their treasure still populate Hollywood blockbusters. Narrated by Ed Herrmann and featuring preeminent Templar authors.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 14, 2009, 07:34:44 AM
FYI: For those of you with young ones in the fortress that like to share in your hobby, I would like to tell you of a couple items out. There are some archaeological type toys, where the child digs with little tools to uncover a knight from a block of "cement". Once uncovered, the plastic knight can be painted and enjoyed. If they get bored "digging" for it, it can always be placed in a bowl of warm water to soften up the casing and then plucked out after a few hours....then painted.
There is also a Build a Castle set, that includes real little stone bricks and mortar that you use to put it together. If you don't like its' construction, or want to change the layout, you can always soak it and get more "magic sand" at a local hobby store, and rebuild it. They're no bigger than a square foot, and about 8" tall at the most.
My little Warrior Princess and I are working on one right now. They take several hours to a few days to build, depending on the patience and focus of the "crew".
I shall have pictures posted soon of our new "Micro Preceptory".  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 14, 2009, 07:43:48 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on January 14, 2009, 07:34:44 AM
FYI: For those of you with young ones in the fortress that like to share in your hobby, I would like to tell you of a couple items out. There are some archaeological type toys, where the child digs with little tools to uncover a knight from a block of "cement". Once uncovered, the plastic knight can be painted and enjoyed. If they get bored "digging" for it, it can always be placed in a bowl of warm water to soften up the casing and then plucked out after a few hours....then painted.
There is also a Build a Castle set, that includes real little stone bricks and mortar that you use to put it together. If you don't like its' construction, or want to change the layout, you can always soak it and get more "magic sand" at a local hobby store, and rebuild it. They're no bigger than a square foot, and about 8" tall at the most.
My little Warrior Princess and I are working on one right now. They take several hours to a few days to build, depending on the patience and focus of the "crew".
I shall have pictures posted soon of our new "Micro Preceptory".  ;D



My brother, Do you have links available to these new found treasures?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 14, 2009, 07:53:34 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on January 14, 2009, 07:43:48 AM
My brother, Do you have links available to these new found treasures?

http://www.amazon.com/Architectural-Model-Building-Kit-Medieval/dp/B000VKR4X0/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1231940806&sr=8-1

https://00e30cc.netsolstores.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1118

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 14, 2009, 09:31:29 AM
To all the members of this thread:

I have received a note from Brother Mikael, and he'll be stopping by shortly to say "hey". Says he's been quite busy with work. And his recovery. Fear not, he's still with us!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 14, 2009, 09:34:12 AM
Hipp Hipp Huzzzahhhh glad to know he's still with us
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on January 14, 2009, 10:17:27 AM
Great to hear he's still with us and I hope everything is going ok for him.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 14, 2009, 12:37:58 PM
Glad to hear about Brother Mikael....

going back to yesterday;
Quoteahhhaaa yes the stare that sends all men quivering to thier knees begging for Mercy

Is this the Mercy you seek?

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Goddess/Areala2-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 14, 2009, 12:50:55 PM
Aaaaaahhhhhh.......yes.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 15, 2009, 01:16:12 PM
alright sleepy heads did yall stay up drinking too much mead last night? time to rise and shine or atleast rise
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 15, 2009, 01:48:30 PM
Militissa....why I've been up peeling potatoes and feeding the fire all day long....but a glass of some libation is certainly in order now... :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 15, 2009, 07:51:49 PM
http://www.nbc.com/the-last-templar/

*See the Making of video!


I now plan on watching this, just for the Crusades scene, one of which might be the fall of Acre. They still love to give them long locks....


Here's some screen shots:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar2.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar3.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar4.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar5.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar6.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar7.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar8.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar9.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 16, 2009, 01:50:52 PM
Another author of fictional Templars:
http://www.robynyoung.com/index.html

Some of her photos with reenactors:
http://www.robynyoung.com/crusaders.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on January 16, 2009, 03:15:24 PM
I watched the BBC Ivanhoe the other day for the first time. Entertaining with a great cast and fine acting! Read Ivanhoe as a boy and of course saw the 1952 Robert Taylor/Elizabeth Taylor version. Ivanhoe never portrayed the Templars very flatteringly.

I have "The Knights Templar" a 2001 documentary by Malcolm Barber in my queue. Are you familiar with this film? If so, what is your review?

I will be watching the Templar Code on HI this Saturday as well. Always had an interest.

Have you read the book by James Carroll or seen the documentary by Oren Jacoby and James Carroll "Constantine's Sword, No War is Holy"? One of it's basic interpretations is, then General, Constantine militarised Christianity with the symbol of the cross as sword. Prior to this event, Christians used life affirming symbols such as the fish and the lamb.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 17, 2009, 08:19:25 AM
Reminder:



Quote from: Sir William Marcus on January 13, 2009, 04:39:29 PM

This Saturday, January 17, 2009

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8-10pm -- The Templar Code -

For nearly two centuries, the Knights Templar were the medieval world's most powerful order, a fearsome and unstoppable Crusader militia. Then came accusations of unspeakable crimes. Who were the Templars, really? How did they become so powerful, so fast, and why did they fall just as quickly? Evidence hints that the Templars excavated under Jerusalem's Temple of Solomon. What did they find there? Was it, as The Da Vinci Code suggests, the true identity of the Holy Grail--the bloodline of Christ? Or an unimaginable treasure, documented in the Dead Sea Scrolls, buried 1,000 years before Christ's birth? We explore the Templar's origin, how they lived, trained, fought and became a medieval world power, and the suspicious circumstances behind their sudden downfall. Plus, we reveal why these warriors, dead for seven centuries, and their treasure still populate Hollywood blockbusters. Narrated by Ed Herrmann and featuring preeminent Templar authors.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 17, 2009, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on January 16, 2009, 03:15:24 PM
I watched the BBC Ivanhoe the other day for the first time. Entertaining with a great cast and fine acting! Read Ivanhoe as a boy and of course saw the 1952 Robert Taylor/Elizabeth Taylor version. Ivanhoe never portrayed the Templars very flatteringly.

I have "The Knights Templar" a 2001 documentary by Malcolm Barber in my queue. Are you familiar with this film? If so, what is your review?

I will be watching the Templar Code on HI this Saturday as well. Always had an interest.

Have you read the book by James Carroll or seen the documentary by Oren Jacoby and James Carroll "Constantine's Sword, No War is Holy"? One of it's basic interpretations is, then General, Constantine militarised Christianity with the symbol of the cross as sword. Prior to this event, Christians used life affirming symbols such as the fish and the lamb.


Yes the Templars always get a bad rap,unless you watch the Arn series from Sweden.

I myself have all the Ivanhoe versions on DVD! LOVE THEM ALL! ;D

Any documentary with Malcom Barber, Helen Nicholson, or David Nicholle are worth watching. They have more historical validity, then anything with Karen Ralls, Dan Brown, or as I've just recently witnessed an author of a work of fiction, to be used as a historical reference deliverer. (just doesn't sit well with me. I know they do research, but they're known for fictional works...)

If memory serves me, Constantine had a dream after asking for help in a battle from all deities of the time, and he was answered by the Christian one. So he put his chips in the basket of the one that came to his rescue.... :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on January 17, 2009, 10:56:14 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on January 17, 2009, 08:19:25 AM
Reminder:



Quote from: Sir William Marcus on January 13, 2009, 04:39:29 PM

This Saturday, January 17, 2009

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/HCI.jpg)



8-10pm -- The Templar Code -

For nearly two centuries, the Knights Templar were the medieval world's most powerful order, a fearsome and unstoppable Crusader militia. Then came accusations of unspeakable crimes. Who were the Templars, really? How did they become so powerful, so fast, and why did they fall just as quickly? Evidence hints that the Templars excavated under Jerusalem's Temple of Solomon. What did they find there? Was it, as The Da Vinci Code suggests, the true identity of the Holy Grail--the bloodline of Christ? Or an unimaginable treasure, documented in the Dead Sea Scrolls, buried 1,000 years before Christ's birth? We explore the Templar's origin, how they lived, trained, fought and became a medieval world power, and the suspicious circumstances behind their sudden downfall. Plus, we reveal why these warriors, dead for seven centuries, and their treasure still populate Hollywood blockbusters. Narrated by Ed Herrmann and featuring preeminent Templar authors.

Already bought the popcorn. :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 17, 2009, 11:43:19 AM
Just a little something I found....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMWJzYf-orc
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 19, 2009, 06:33:27 AM
Book review:

Barbara Frale's The Templars, was an interesting read. Much of the book is a retelling of the Order's history but with a different flare in my opinion. Some said it appears she has the gift of sensationalism, what ever it is, it made the key characters in various parts of the telling, come alive. It's an easy read, since it's only 200 pages.
In the final chapters, she comes to the telling of the trial. She shows that Pope Clement V found the Order innocent of heresy (heresy being a charge that had lasting, long term implications), but guilty of what could only be the equivalent of modern day hazing.
The rumors of bizarre kisses upon acceptance was portrayed as veterans testing newbies.
The act of denying Christ and spitting on the Cross, was another test of the sincerity of the initiate's conviction and resolve. Should he spit on the cross and deny Christ, then he was demonstrating that he'd conformed to the Order's Rule and subjugated his will to that of the Order and its' Master. This most likely followed with an assignment to European locals, where this apparent "skill" would serve him well in the courts and activities of the secular society.
If the Brother would not spit on the Cross or deny Christ, then he was for sure to have an assignment to the Outremer. This would probably explain the reason 200 plus Brothers failed to accept a life saving offer of conversion to Islam after the defeat at Hattin in 1187.
It appears that there was an internal power struggle between two key figures of the Order in its' final years. The cause being Master DeMolay was from the "East" and a warrior of experience in the Outremer, and a representative from the "west" with no time in the Holy Land, but vast experience in the non-combat related activities of the Order.
A solution was found, by having the Order governed geographically, with DeMolay running the Order in the East while his counterpart governed Order activities in the West in his absence.
Apparently the "West" cut a protective deal for their families with King Philip IV before the big round up.
During the trials, Pope Clement V was constantly trying regain the initiative on the whole episode over Philip's maneuvering. He had already found the Templars innocent of heresy, but was pushing for reform, with the idea of having the Hospitallers and Templars united into one new Order, that would be refocused in its' efforts.
Philip all the while was trying to insure he was the victor in this situation and wanted to dig up Clement's predecessor and put him on trial for a variety of charges (this wasn't unheard of, because it had been done before....a cadaver sitting in court, with an appointed "live representative" to speak on its' behalf). Clement, wishing to avoid this embarrassing event that would surely damage the church's reputation and put the French Monarchy on the same power level as the Holy See, decided it was better to sacrifice the Order of the Knights Templar, than lose the position of the Church. Let it be known that Clement was a Templar believer and thought that only a small few were responsible for the "hazings" in question.

So, like what Kirk and Spock talked about at the end of the Wrath of Khan, sometimes, "the needs of the Many outweigh the needs of the Few". The Templars went down doing what they did best, protecting pilgrims and the Church.

Deus vult!  
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 19, 2009, 11:56:15 AM
The Templars Revealed by Barbara Frale

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I Just finished Barbara book last night, and I must agree with Frere Cliff that it is an interesting and easy read. Barbara's gift of sensationalism is an excellent way to describe her writing skills.

Now, straight talk with William Marcus

Philip IV
.  As for what I got out of her book was a requaintance with Philip the fair and how much of a ruthless @#!!&*%$!%& he truly was,  unbelievable $%@&*% he was...  I can't help it, I hate this guy!

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OK..next...






(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/demolay-1.gif)Jacques de Molay. What can I say other than total sadness for what this man had to deal with from the get go (Hugh de Perraud ring a bell?).  On a scale from 1-10 in total BS,  Jacques de Molay had to deal with an easy 15 from day one.

Then one cannot forget the endless torture and then the ultimate sacrifice he and Geoffrey de Charney made at the stake.  Even when they were absolved from their charges, and could have survived if they would agree to remain in custody of the church.  They of course refused to accept the terms proclaiming absolute innocence of ALL the charges brought against the Temple. Thats when Philip took it upon him self and had them burned at the stake on March 18th 1314.

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Pope Clement V.  In Barbara's book my eyes were opened a little more to Clement V.  Most reads and historians portray Clement V as this puppet/closet friend of Philip the Fair.  When all along Clement V was all-n-all a very educated and a without a doubt a fair & honest pope who spent most of his time extremely aggravated & frustrated at Philip's antics.  I believe he did  try his best to save the order, and then when it came down to wire with the order or the church he had to decide and who could honestly blame his decision.  Even on his deathbed, Clement V could not forgive himself for the miserable end of the Templars.  He receives a overdue thumbs up from Mwa.  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thumbup.gif)(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thumbup.gif)


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Rituals & Rumors As frere Cliff mentioned: The rumors of bizarre kisses upon acceptance was portrayed as veterans testing newbies.
The act of denying Christ and spitting on the Cross, was another test of the sincerity of the initiate's conviction and resolve. Should he spit on the cross and deny Christ, then he was demonstrating that he'd conformed to the Order's Rule and subjugated his will to that of the Order and its' Master. This most likely followed with an assignment to European locals, where this apparent "skill" would serve him well in the courts and activities of the secular society.


Absolutely!

Besides, I can recall some pretty wacked out secret rituals back in the 80's that were conducted by rockbands & biker clubs that make the accusations against the Templars sound G rated!

Gotta Run!





Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 19, 2009, 12:49:38 PM
Wonderful! I love your review! The Lady Danielle/LeFay was reading it over my shoulder and nearly showered me in coffee at your assessment of Philip IV!  ;) :P


Picked this up at Barnes and Noble today! (A must for many's collection......you know who I'm talking about!  ;) )

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Crusader-Castles-in-the-Holy-Land_9781846033490
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 19, 2009, 04:23:57 PM
Enjoyed reading your thoughts on Frale's book. (Brother William gets bonus points for visuals and humorous tone  ;))  Great posts both...filled with interesting information.

I wonder how much Frale's presentation of Clement is influenced by her employers?

Am also interested in a sample of Frale's writing to see what her "gift of sensationalism" sounds like (and I'm surprised the Brothers don't find flaw in that). 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 19, 2009, 05:49:07 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on January 19, 2009, 12:49:38 PM
Picked this up at Barnes and Noble today! (A must for many's collection......you know who I'm talking about!  ;) )http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/Crusader-Castles-in-the-Holy-Land_9781846033490

Funny, because me and the princess made a journey to the mall today, and went exploring in the brand new Borders. I was scoping out the World History section when my princess brought that exact book to me "Here daddy..this is a book on knights Templars?"  True Story!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 19, 2009, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 19, 2009, 04:23:57 PM
I wonder how much Frale's presentation of Clement is influenced by her employers?

Come now, since when has the Church leveraged influence to determine an outcome...?  :P ;D

Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 19, 2009, 04:23:57 PM
Am also interested in a sample of Frale's writing to see what her "gift of sensationalism" sounds like (and I'm surprised the Brothers don't find flaw in that). 

Seek out your nearest book provider! As for being suprised by our attitude towards her efforts.............Good Advertisement is hard to find!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 19, 2009, 08:26:44 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on January 19, 2009, 05:49:07 PM
Funny, because me and the princess made a journey to the mall today, and went exploring in the brand new Borders. I was scoping out the World History section when my princess brought that exact book to me "Here daddy..this is a book on knights Templars?"  True Story!

*sniff....sniff* Makes me all teary inside. It's truly special when a father sees his Princess come to the light... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 19, 2009, 09:31:04 PM
What you both fail to realize, is that, it is your young, gifted females that are really doing the leading.....

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;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 20, 2009, 07:37:43 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/g.gif)  If Snuggies came in white I'm thinking I might buy one and slap a red fleece cross on it
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 20, 2009, 09:15:35 AM
It may be a sin, but I'd love to see that !    ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 20, 2009, 09:47:42 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 20, 2009, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on January 20, 2009, 07:37:43 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/g.gif)  If Snuggies came in white I'm thinking I might buy one and slap a red fleece cross on it

Rofl wonder if they can bleach one white just for you?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 20, 2009, 01:38:31 PM
Um..frere Cliff, is that a Huggie or a Snuggie on that infant?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 20, 2009, 01:43:21 PM
Both.....see how big it is.... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 20, 2009, 01:55:57 PM
The 2-n-1 Snuggiehuggie..Brilliant!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 20, 2009, 02:54:27 PM
 :D :D open door alert
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 22, 2009, 03:38:35 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Holiday%20Gifs/bday-frerecliffII.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/potenceecross-1.jpg)  HUZZAH!
Natal Day Celebrations Warrior Monk!  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/occasion14.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 22, 2009, 05:37:47 AM
OMG!    And thanks Brother. I'm......aaahhhhh.....speechless..... :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 22, 2009, 01:30:38 PM
Yes, Happy Birthday!   :)


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*However, there will be no jumping out of the tabernacle...we must remember your heart condition*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 22, 2009, 01:51:52 PM
Thank you Sister!

My condition...aaaahhhhhhh....yes.......

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on January 22, 2009, 01:52:10 PM
Aye! Happy Birthday indeed and many more. A health to you!

(What order is she a member of Sister?)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 22, 2009, 02:00:39 PM
Many thanks my green Brother. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 22, 2009, 02:01:24 PM
the Order of the Hatchet of course!   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on January 22, 2009, 02:04:32 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 22, 2009, 02:01:24 PM
the Order of the Hatchet of course!   :)

Of course! Silly me, a bit thick, eh.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 22, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
Happy birthday warrior wonder if they order yours snuggie huggie yet
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on January 22, 2009, 02:44:09 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on January 22, 2009, 02:00:39 PM
Many thanks my green Brother. ;D

Watched the Templar Code last Saturday and The Templar Knights last night...hmmm...much to digest. :-\

The knowledge reflected within this thread is respected and appreciated. 8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on January 22, 2009, 07:27:22 PM
A most Happy Birthday Warrior and many more. My Birthday is coming up in a couple of weeks the 10 of February.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on January 22, 2009, 10:10:57 PM
Happy Birthday Warrior Monk!!!1!111! hope you had a good one!!!1!111!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 23, 2009, 07:57:57 AM
Thank you little Brother.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 23, 2009, 09:26:17 AM
Warrior Monk..... you are getting mawkish in your old age!   ;) :) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 23, 2009, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 23, 2009, 09:26:17 AM
Warrior Monk..... you are getting mawkish in your old age!   ;) :) :P

Me.....objectionably sentimental? I fear not! I just wanted to extend the courtesy of recognizing their posts! ;) ;D

In my old age? You're not but a close second to me there Sister!!! :P


*ducks*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 23, 2009, 01:07:36 PM
Brother Templar! 

I'm afraid I will have to report your infraction ( a lack of general gentleness and graciousness to women ) to the Ministry of Compromised Chivalry for your comment regarding my age!  Really!!   :P ;) ;D


*hatchets fly through the air*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 23, 2009, 01:12:02 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 26, 2009, 09:14:25 AM
The Last Templar

The one thing that this show did nicely last night was showcase Mira Sorvinos legs in the beginning.  ;)  It also revealed a not so popular secret of the Templars, and that was the use of "buoyant" chainmaile. This especially came in handy when they were stranded in the water after the sinking of the infamous ship the Falcon Templar.


Maybe continued....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on January 26, 2009, 09:45:51 AM
The Last Templar, what I saw of it, was ludicrous bordering on terrible. Could only watch for about 45 minutes and then shut it down.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 26, 2009, 09:58:05 AM
Gotta agree with ya. I was about 45 minutes for me as well before I surrendered.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 26, 2009, 10:02:37 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on January 26, 2009, 09:14:25 AM
The Last Templar

The one thing that this show did nicely last night was showcase Mira Sorvinos legs in the beginning.  ;)  It also revealed a not so popular secret of the Templars, and that was the use of "buoyant" chainmaile. This especially came in handy when they were stranded in the water after the sinking of the infamous ship the Falcon Templar.


Maybe continued....


May I Brother...........

The Last Templar (Part One) After Action Review

1.   One of the knights is wearing a helmet flourish prior to the attack
on the museum. This type of decoration is strictly prohibited by the Templar
Rule.

2.   One of the knights takes a female hostage. These knights were
charged with protecting pilgrims and went into battle with the knowledge
that God was on their side and martyrdom awaited those that fell. Plus, if
you're gonna grab any female in the museum, it would surely have been better
to grab Mira Sorvino...come on..just look at her!

3.   One of the knights takes a glancing upward hit to the face portion
of his great helm from the butt end of the Pope's staff. Having been struck
in the great helm before, this strike would not have left the bruise that
the identified person displayed later in the show when Mira recognized him.

4.   The jousting scene between her and one of the knights was
ridiculous, her using the Pope's office staff and knowing how to couch it,
not to mention that it is shorter than the standrad 14' lance used in the
day. It would have placed her within striking distance of the knight's
fully extended arm with his sword.

5.   They got the correct Grand Master for the time period of 1291*

6.   You can't see Jerusalem from the sea where they were talking about.
Jerusalem didn't fall burning in 1291, it was the city of Acre.  Acre was
the port city of 1291 and where the Grand Master made his final stand.
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If they took a boat from Jerusalem, they had bigger issues than the Saracen. They were once flooded in battle in Egypt, but not in 1291! ;)


7.   The grooming standards for the wanna be Templars were more accurate
than those represented in the Holy Land with their long hair.



* Guillaume de Beaujeu, aka William of Beaujeu, was the 21st Grand Master of the Knights Templar, from 1273 until his death during the siege of Acre in 1291.
   
During the siege, he dropped his sword and walked away from the walls. His knights remonstrated. Beaujeu replied: "Je ne m'enfuis pas; je suis mort. Voici le coup." ("I'm not running away; I am dead. Here is the blow.") He raised his arm to show the mortal wound he had received.
Guillaume de Beaujeu was replaced by Thibaud Gaudin , who rode at the side of Guillaume de Beaujeu to defend the town of Acre, besieged by the formidable army of Mamluk Sultan Al-Ashraf Khalil. On 18 May, upon the death of Guillaume de Beaujeu, Gaudin remains in the city of Acre in garrison with some 500. Thibaud Gaudin and Pierre de Sevry, Marshal of the Order, are the last two knights of the Temple who continue to defend Acre. Al-Ashraf Khalil sends messengers to the defenders of the castle of the Temple in order to negotiate an honorable outcome. Thibaud Gaudin and Pierre de Sevry agree to yield to the conditions dictated by the sultan and let a detachment of Moslem riders into their enclosure. As soon as the soldiers entered, they caught some French women. Thinking that to be a treasonous act, Thibaud Gaudin and Pierre de Sevry ordered the Moslems be thrown of the walls. The two dignitaries decide that Thibaud Gaudin will leave the city by sea, carrying the treasures of the Temple (this most likely being the remaining in-country assets used by the Order to support their efforts in the Outremer), while Pierre de Sevry will continue the combat. Acre falls the following day.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 26, 2009, 10:41:07 PM
I didn't think part II could be any worse, was I ever wrong. (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thumbsdown.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 27, 2009, 07:08:43 AM
I too was rather shocked at the limited exposure to "Templars" in a program called "The Last Templar".

This last installment seemed to focus on the developing love interest of the two leading characters, although, through the Templars, a non-believer was saved and shown the power of FAITH. It also had the ever popular Dan Brown theme of rogue Vatican officials with their private assassins helping to cover the evidence trail, because the world is not ready for the "truth".

The big "SECRET" was delivered as the Grand Master of the Order, at the fall of "Jerusalem" (read-ACRE), had a Gospel of Yeshua written in secret. It was with the hopes that its' discovery would undermine the precepts of major monotheastic relgions, and help everyone live in peace, after they "came" to realize the "writer" of the document was only a man....a carpenter.
So thus ends four hours of a book turned movie, that was originally written before Barbara Frale's discovery.

I will say, the only good line from the movie, came out of the second episode, when the FBI agent and the female Indiana Jones are underground about to dig up the hidden secret, when he asks her, "no matter what we find here, let's respect them (the Templars) for what they were....Defenders of the Church".

That's all I have Brothers and Sisters, I recommend you dig out your copies of Kingdom of Heaven, Arn, or even Ivanhoe.....you be more rewarded by their viewings.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 27, 2009, 03:03:23 PM
Well, I am sorry that The Last Templar series was so disappointing.   :-[  I did read that Mira Sorvino broke 5 of her teeth during the filming of the rigorous boat scene (?) 

Warrior Monk, just curious....did you have a quill and parchment ready to record inaccuracies at the time of viewing? 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 27, 2009, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on January 27, 2009, 03:03:23 PM
Warrior Monk, just curious....did you have a quill and parchment ready to record inaccuracies at the time of viewing? 

Wow......were you watching me?!  :o

No, actually it was only 2 installments at 2 hours a piece. Too easy to remember each, if at the beginning of the next day, I get to post them.
You can just imagine Lady LeFay's reaction..........something to the tune of..."It's fiction!" :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 28, 2009, 09:41:26 AM
I see our "President" is now addressing the Arab media, even before getting to addressing social issues at home. He is also planning on speaking from an Muslim capital within his first 100 days in office (my bet is his home land of Indonesia), well, as we're all entitled to our opinions........

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 28, 2009, 10:47:27 AM
 :P alright I'm going I was playing nice in the sand box but when you said that WM i wasn't thinking nice thoughts so off to do pentance but techniquelly it's WM's fault
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on January 28, 2009, 01:36:28 PM
*Sister Hatchet pats Warrior Monk* 

There, there your Eminence.....let's remember your condition....and it just won't do to lead Sister ASHley astray.   Besides, I believe we are encouraged to refrain from discussing the topics of modern politics for this very reason.....   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on January 29, 2009, 12:54:41 AM
Did any of you watch "Cities of the Underworld" last week. It could have been a re-run but they had something on Jerusalem and Saladine and a fortress of his. I was tuning in and out so didnt catch all of it. They talked about some place that had a 100 meter "well" dug in the fortress for water supply and used either oxen to power it or donkeys to bring it up, it was quite impressive. They talked about the Templars a bit too.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on January 29, 2009, 06:06:59 AM
WM - Your "hymn" is showing. :o OUR President and your Christian brother must multitask. I believe he was born in Hawaii. I lived in Iceland for a year...does that make me Icelandic? We should not live in a bubble. Well...we are slipping into the realm of current political events, which I believe is expressly forbidden by the Lords of the Forum. :-X Now I must also do my penances. :-[

Peace Brother...try to be positive. 8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on January 29, 2009, 06:11:05 AM
LF - Yes...great show! There was even one I saw referencing the Templars with many inscriptions deep below on the walls.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 29, 2009, 06:50:24 AM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on January 29, 2009, 06:11:05 AM
LF - Yes...great show! There was even one I saw referencing the Templars with many inscriptions deep below on the walls.

The show you reference had a serious flaw.  It mentioned that the quarries with the inscriptions were dug after the disolution of the Templar Order, but they kept inserting the Order's name in there to help fuel the mysterious conspiracy and dark forbidden ritual theories to keep folks watching. You probably ask yourself, why I kept watching then.....well the answer is simple, I have the pleasure of contructing replies to these networks and programs to help them in the future, I do the same for literary efforts. If it has the title of Knights Templar, you can bet I do my best to review it. ;)
They talked about how this "quarry" sect might have started a secret church down there. The digging was started after 1314, and judging by the layers and where they discovered the markings, some time after that point!
I did find it interesting though, with all the drawings alluding to the charges labeled against the Templar Order (I'm sure you know the one I refer to). Similar "historical" ties to the Order were established in the construction of the Masonic entity.


As for your previous comment, well it was a shot of Grand Master Lucas de Beaumanoir, but I can see where you tie it in at. I would be interested in entertaining your personal experiences with "those" that many fear though PM. Having been exposed to the subject personally on numerous occasions, I might be able to share some first hand accounts coupled with historical perspectives to entertain you.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on January 29, 2009, 08:17:05 AM
Thank you for your responses. I watched the show in passing and not from the beginning, but being new material to me, found it quite interesting. I did realize that the inscriptions were dated later and not by the Templars. As in many cases throughout history, intolerance and ignorance brands groups unfairly through vested interest of many ilks. Your knowledge of this subject is always enlightening.

Now for my penances:

Oh, Lords of the Forums, I express a need
Of forgiveness for my pompous political pondering.
I spoke in haste and without heed
Of thy regulations and historically wise rulings. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Manwariel on January 29, 2009, 11:17:04 AM
Just a note - if anyone missed The Last Templar and wants to see it for any reason, you can watch it here: http://www.hulu.com/the-last-templar
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 29, 2009, 12:40:29 PM
hey thanks for the info manwariel
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 31, 2009, 09:26:57 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Quiet_threadI.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 02, 2009, 09:09:03 AM
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o36/lord_zarr/funny/a_1200232848658_pikapope.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 02, 2009, 10:28:29 AM
is that offically templar approved?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on February 02, 2009, 11:14:34 AM
It must be! Hello all.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 02, 2009, 12:51:47 PM
It looks like one of those demonic pichas again.....the Cardinal has a doppelganger!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 02, 2009, 01:57:39 PM
I was thinking possibly a Pope-achu?  Anyways, can I slay it?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 02, 2009, 02:07:28 PM
Are you asking me??? 

Of couse, it's your turn!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 03, 2009, 08:27:51 AM
Taking us back to our theme..... :P

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/image001a.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/image001.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 04, 2009, 06:57:24 AM
Today in the days of lore:


1194: King Richard I (an avid supporter of the Knights Templar) of England freed

On his way home from the Crusades, a storm drove Richard's ship ashore and he was taken prisoner and turned over to Henry VI, Holy Roman Emperor. Henry kept Richard in several different castles in Germany, keeping the king's whereabouts unknown to friends and enemies alike.

Henry threatened to turn Richard over to Philip of France, with whom Richard had begun a bitter feud. To avoid falling into his enemy's hands, Richard agreed to pay an outrageous ransom. The ransom was raised primarily by heavy taxing of the people of England and was paid nearly in full to Henry. Richard was released and returned home, only to set out once more for France, where he fought Philip off and on until his death five years later.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on February 04, 2009, 07:03:36 AM
Aye, "heavy taxing of the people" to pay for Richard's folly. I fear the people still pay the debts of the mighty. :-X
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 04, 2009, 07:47:50 AM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on February 04, 2009, 07:03:36 AM
Aye, "heavy taxing of the people" to pay for Richard's folly.

Explain please?


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/image001-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on February 04, 2009, 02:51:51 PM
Richard the Lionheart left his kingdom, and thereby his people, in the hands of his corrupt brother. Is not a King's first duty to his people? The treasure wasted at war seeking Glory would feed the multitudes.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 04, 2009, 03:08:44 PM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on February 04, 2009, 02:51:51 PM
Is not a King's first duty to his people? The treasure wasted at war seeking Glory would feed the multitudes.

Interesting. His first duty to his people, or his duty to his diety that gave him life and position (medieval interpretation).
If I remember correctly, Richard's trip to the Holy Land was already laid out for him, as part of Henry's penance for the killing of Becket. Not that Richard was adverse to the idea.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on February 04, 2009, 03:21:52 PM
Aye, in the complexities of the matter, as always, you are well versed WM and have no equal. The sins of the father pass to the son, but the suffering of the people remains the same. :'(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 04, 2009, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on February 04, 2009, 03:21:52 PM
The sins of the father pass to the son, but the suffering of the people remains the same. :'(

This may be true in some respect, but the people have to be held accountable for some of this as well. Richard only spent 6 months of a 10 year tour as King in England, and the pople accepted it. Edward II, "Longshank's spawn" spent his entire life in the country and the people got rid of him. Check their local hero status.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on February 04, 2009, 03:30:34 PM
Aye, amazing! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 05, 2009, 09:33:37 AM
(Pokes his head in, looks around...)

I see Frere Cliff and Frere William still have this place in order.   ;D

(pulls up a chair and sits down to visit for the day...)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 05, 2009, 10:54:19 AM
 ;D Only because I haven't made my appearance yet this morning

good to see you Mikael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 05, 2009, 11:03:20 AM
Heh, now that you're here, I'm sure all will be set to right.  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 05, 2009, 11:33:55 AM
warrior Monk must be making rounds noticed he hasn't popped in this morning
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 05, 2009, 02:30:27 PM
*walks past the door but pauses long enough to warmly greet Brother Mikael* 

Good to see you!  ;D Hope your staying long enough to tell us of your adventures. 

The last I saw Warrior Monk he was scouring the countryside for whiners and filthy heretics.  He'll be back soon.  :)

*smiles and winks at Militissa* 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 05, 2009, 03:19:22 PM
Well, today I have my laptop with me at work, which is rare nowadays, picking up a wifi connection and bypassing the new firewalls, which is why I've been notoriously absent recently.  :)

Other than that, just getting through the holidays. I've started doing a lot of freelance work on the side to help us pay off as much debt as possible before human society as we know it collapses in a fit of heretical economic seizures. That, and spending a lot of time playing with my daughter, who now likes to sit at her desk in Daddy's study and draw whenever I am. Which is way cool!

Everyone please feel welcome to come see some of the stuff I've been doing over at my deviantart gallery:

http://mchampion.deviantart.com/

I did a pic of our own Warrior Monk last night. It's a first try, and I suck at doing lifelike portraits.  :)

BTW, you all would be proud of my wife. When we tried to watch The Last Templar, she was busting on it 10 times worse than I was. I DVR'd it, and only made it as far as Mira Sorvino running out of the museum looking for a horse. I told Michelle 'So help me, if she jumps on a horse and goes to joust one of the armored knights, I'm out." Obviously, we were out. From that point I just fast forwarded to the flashback scenes. It was funny, cause when they were on the ship in the storm, I paused it and told Michelle 'Now, ideally, as soon as they boarded the ship, they'd go below and take off their armor' and I hit play and a wave washes them overboard and said 'FOR THAT VERY REASON!!!' LOL!!!!  I didn't realize they had on the Holy Bouyant Armor of God, though. And apparently dunking one's armor in the Mediterranean doesn't result in rust. Ah, well!

I still have pics of me and Hospitaller at TRF I need to get uploaded. I forgot what disc they're on at home. Will find it at some point and share them.

Sir Jesse, I hope your brother knight is healing well! I know it's going to be a long journey to recovery, and let him know he's in all of our prayers!

Okay, all my print jobs have run now, I have to dash off to a production meeting. Er, I mean, "THE SARACENS ARE STORMING THE PARAPETS!!! I MUST REPEL INVADERS!!!  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on February 06, 2009, 09:31:30 AM
Hail Mikael of Aragon! We have yet to meet. Good day, Sir.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 06, 2009, 10:32:22 AM
Good Morning Yall
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 06, 2009, 11:22:20 AM
Greetings frere Mikael. It's good to hear one is still in good health & spirits.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 08, 2009, 11:21:33 AM
Well, we had a great time for our Princess' 5th Natal Anniversry.

We took her to Medieval Times of Atlanta....like we had to leave home for Medieval times.....geez! :P

The whole entourage was dressed as best they could for the occasion.
Initially we entered and were warmly greeted because of our attire. The Master of Horse came over to comment about the "Templar" attire, and mentioned that he used to do Templario (Spanish persona) images in reenactments. We then found out that he and I had "eaten the same dirt" in the Outremer in 91. This would play to the Princess' benefit later.
While waiting, we encountered a lad who actually works in the same office I do...small world!
The show started, and the Princess was quite afraid of the "black dressed" highway man who kidnaps the Prince. She was literally watching it from under the table.

She warmed up as soon as "Combat" was started. During the trials of valor, all the knights would present a flower/favor to the maidens of their section...usually about their age (all the lads were  in their 20s....go figure! Secular pop-in-jays!) Well the Princess was watching intently at this transpiring, and was surely a little jealous, but at the final demonstration of martial prowess, the Master of Horse rode over and presented her a large flower! I can't begin to describe her face upon receipt of this token of recognition. (Told you the consumption of that foreign dirt would pay dividends!) ;)

So we continued with the show, and tried to get good photos. I've posted a few select ones on my alternate page for my friends to review. Needless to say, at the cost of the event, it was well worth it, to see her reaction and listen to her talk on the 2 hour ride home.

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on February 08, 2009, 11:34:30 AM
Please convey my warmest Natal Anniversary wishes to the Princess.

All Blessings be upon her, her kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 08, 2009, 11:45:17 AM
I have Green Brother, and she thanks you for your well wishes. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on February 08, 2009, 03:00:05 PM
WM i am very glad to hear it went well and that she had a good time, me and my two friends journeyed to atlanta yesterday.. to go to museum replicas, we went last week too. One of my friends bought pirate attire and the other is buying a British naval officer attire, since his back injury is delaying the wearing of chainmaille. pictures to come soon, as when our outfits are finished we are going to Dauphin island to take pictures... we have a house there so, here we come fort gaines!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 08, 2009, 04:07:27 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/WarriorMonks.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 08, 2009, 04:24:59 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on February 08, 2009, 03:00:05 PM
WM i am very glad to hear it went well and that she had a good time, me and my two friends journeyed to atlanta yesterday.. to go to museum replicas, we went last week too.

Thank you for your words Lil Brother. As for Museum Replicas....I love that damn place!!!!! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 08, 2009, 05:09:57 PM
In honoring the Princess Brynn on her 5th Natal Day Anniversary we offer small cat with cupcake

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Holiday%20Gifs/funny_birthday.jpg)

Princess Sarah sends Birthday Wishes as well your Majesty!(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Holiday%20Gifs/BalloonsAni.gif)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 08, 2009, 06:17:35 PM
Thank you Brother. This brought a new round of smiles. Especially since she was made aware of the fact that she'll be starting school this year as well.

She wishes to assure Princess Sarah that her powers of the Force are at your Princess' disposal, with regards to helping her acquire a sword!! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 08, 2009, 08:22:27 PM
I can assure that Princess Sarah will be honored and delighted when told of this most generous offer. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 09, 2009, 07:52:32 AM
Warm Birthday Greetings to the Little Princess! 

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Princess_Cake.jpg)

Look with favor, O Lord, we pray, on you child, as she begins another year. Grant
that she may grow in wisdom and grace, and strengthen her
trust in your goodness all the days of her life.

Watch over thy child, O Lord, as her days increase; bless and
guide her wherever she may be. Strengthen her when she
stands; comfort her when discouraged or sorrowful; raise
her up if she falls; and in her heart may thy peace which
passeth understanding abide all the days of her life.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 09, 2009, 07:57:20 AM
Lady LeFay and her royal majesty the Princess thank you for this post Sister Hatchett.

Funny she had quite a similar cake when she turned four.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 09, 2009, 08:07:50 AM
...and my compliments on your new avatar.  It is fitting that a warrior of such renown have his portrait drawn.  Brother Mikael is surely blessed with many talents! 


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 09, 2009, 08:16:57 AM
For sure Brother Mikael is a warrior of superior skill in his artistic abilities, for his sketch surely makes my ugly mug much more presentable than the actual visage.... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 09, 2009, 08:43:10 AM
Thank you, all! It's rewarding to see folks I respect give such praise to my work.  :)

And happy birthday to the little princess!!!! May she have a blessed year full of fun and magic and wonderment!  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 09, 2009, 08:59:13 AM
You do great work Brother! Thank you on behalf of the Princess for your kind thoughts!

Per request, here is a shot just before the Princess' night of festivities began!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Medeivalus.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 09, 2009, 09:33:41 AM
good looking crew there wm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 09, 2009, 10:01:46 AM
Great family shot!

(It's nice to see someone else where his armor to Medieval Times.)   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 09, 2009, 10:46:00 AM
It's like "Templar Express".....never leave home without it!  :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 09, 2009, 10:50:22 AM
Ha! No lie. I'm thinking about wearing my kit to the next comic book convention that I'm going to be doing sketches at in March. Ya know, since I'm promoting sketches of knights, NOT because I look for any excuse to wear it. Yeah, that's it...   :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 09, 2009, 11:04:39 AM
You absolutely should! You'd steal the show!  ;D

Don't make me break open a can of........."Deus Vult!"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 09, 2009, 11:31:11 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/DeusvultPD.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 09, 2009, 11:54:34 AM
I love that drink!!!

Because......................

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/LucasApproved2.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 09, 2009, 01:46:10 PM
Does that come in a 12 pack?   ;D

BTW, Brother William, you're next up on the sketch list. I have new drawing tools I'm logging time with, and since I've been extraordinarily remiss in getting group pictures done, I'm letting fly with the free sketches (worked around my paying customers, of course).   ::)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 09, 2009, 05:31:48 PM
Most thankful brother Mikael. I will look forward to its completion. As for the 12 pack of "Deus Vult",  I have an entire truck load in your vicinity, right now,  ready for home delivery....God wills it!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/DV_boxtrk.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 09, 2009, 05:54:35 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on February 09, 2009, 05:31:48 PM
I have an entire truck load in your vicinity, right now,  ready for home delivery....God wills it!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/HomerKt.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 10, 2009, 07:15:33 AM
Today in medieval history:

1. Baghdad falls to Mongol invaders in 1258 (a sure lesson on how to deal with insurgents!)
Hülegü, grandson of Genghis Khan, led the victorious invasion. Thus began a long period of economic, political, and cultural decline in Iraq that was only overcome in the sixteenth century.



2. Baldwin III dies in 1162, he was the King of the crusader state of Jersualem, Baldwin was well-respected for his military ability, his education, and his diplomacy.



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 10, 2009, 10:02:51 AM
20 spoonfuls of sugar, twice the caffeine of the country of Columbia and a selfless devotion to the Pope.

"Say, is that a can of DEUS VULT?  No, it's a CHALICE full!"

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll51/TexasTemplar/Image133-1.jpg)

Deus Vult. Because God Wills It.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 10, 2009, 10:15:37 AM
Abso-friggen-lutely!

BTW Brother.....it's good to have you back!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 10, 2009, 10:28:10 AM
Heh, it's good to be back. I'm just mad at myself for not thinking sooner about using my laptop and wi-fi to get around the firewall at work.   :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 11, 2009, 09:07:46 AM
good day my friends I'm back
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 11, 2009, 02:15:18 PM
We missed ya!   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 11, 2009, 03:31:55 PM
 ;Di had the day off so i played Roadie yesterday morning
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 11, 2009, 08:02:50 PM
I thought I'd try a little new twist to this thread:
These posts would be labled Hollywood Templars.  I would invite thread pilgrims and Brothers/Sisters to contribute photos of Templars on the big screen.

The following were from the 1952 version of Ivanhoe. In the end, King Richard returns to confront an upstart brother John, and he's accompanied by armored Knights wearing what appears to be the typical Cross of St George (an English trademark, but there are some who know that Richard "returned" from the Holy Land in the attire of a Templar, before he was captured. He was also a fan of the Order.) Take note of the shield design and pattern on them!!  ;)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/1952IvanhoeKingRichard1.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/1952IvanhoeTemplars1.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/1952IvanhoeTemplars2.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/1952IvanhoeTemplars3.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/1952IvanhoeTemplars4.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 12, 2009, 03:30:39 PM
I suppose this would not exactly fall into the "new twist" category?

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/ANHLeiaCollage.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on February 12, 2009, 07:42:20 PM
No Femme Falchion, I don't think that will work.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 12, 2009, 07:54:54 PM
Ahhhhhhh...no Sister, but we'll give you a B+ for effort.  :P

I'm hoping that new pilgrims to the thread will have use of these images to help support their construction of costume. ;D

I meant representations of the Order, like........

Reynald from KoH
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/howdy.jpg)

Rene, from Soldier of God
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Presentation1-1.jpg)

Lucas de Beaumanoir from BBC's Ivanhoe 1997
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/12Dec08001.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/12Dec08005.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/lucas.jpg)

Lucas de Beaumanoir from Ivanhoe 1982
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/1982Ivanhoe002.jpg)

Sir Brian from BBC's Ivanhoe
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/ivan_brian01.jpg)

The Templars from the TV mini series "The Last Templar"
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar9.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar7.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheLastTemplar5.jpg)

Templar Brother from BBC's miniseries Robin Hood
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/RHTplr.jpg)

Sweden's epic Crusades flick: Arn, The Knight Templar
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/dfc08801e0.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/arn.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Arn-Scener3.jpg)

Templar Documentary from UK on the History Channel
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/QDyz_tGTikmH4LZp4g0M1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 12, 2009, 07:58:15 PM
Saw a familiar Monk reviewing the forums tonight!
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z275/Hospitaller_1206/2008_0127Hospitaller00301-1.jpg)


Welcome back Brother!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 12, 2009, 09:20:30 PM
Some of the gang from the horrid 2006 movie "Code of the Templars"

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/09_templari_b.jpg)


Another shot from KoH


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/l_a2b1220adb82438fa0ad2663cb402cce.jpg)

Then these guys from the 2005 "Rois maudits, Les"

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templar2005.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 13, 2009, 09:59:19 AM
B+??  This thread has a glass ceiling!   :P   

how about this? 

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Xena_-_The_Warrior_Princess_Trilogy.jpg) 


I can't seem to find any that will help support my gender in creating a costume.   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 13, 2009, 10:19:17 AM
A-   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 13, 2009, 11:45:34 AM
so posting padme would only get me a C+++
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 13, 2009, 11:55:43 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on February 13, 2009, 09:59:19 AM
I can't seem to find any that will help support my gender in creating a costume.   ;)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/Supernun.jpg) !

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 13, 2009, 01:06:04 PM
Priceless!   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 13, 2009, 01:08:26 PM
that's a great shot of your mum Brother William, and I do appreciate her snappy and forwarding thinking style when it comes to habits but I'm just not sure..... ;) :D


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on February 13, 2009, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on February 12, 2009, 07:58:15 PM
Saw a familiar Monk reviewing the forums tonight!
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z275/Hospitaller_1206/2008_0127Hospitaller00301-1.jpg)


Welcome back Brother!  ;D

Bwhahahahaha. Thank you Frere Cliff. Have not had much chance to peruse the forums the past several months. :-[ I'll try to check in a wee bit more often. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 15, 2009, 12:12:36 PM
Robin of Sherwood 1983, episode: Seven Poor Knights From Acre
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0370.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0367.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0368.jpg)


Or a brief of the post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzdUc-6HCIk&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=seven%20poor%20knights%20from%20acre&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 15, 2009, 11:43:57 PM
While not specifically movie related, as far as art goes, I just found a nice little stash of treasures...

http://www.lucatarlazzi.com/portfolio.asp?id=1 (http://www.lucatarlazzi.com/portfolio.asp?id=1)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 16, 2009, 08:42:12 AM
Awesome discovery and thanks for sharing frere Mikael. I have been searching about a year for the name of an artist that is responsible for a particular print. You have just revealed his name to me.  I had no idea Luca Tarlazzi was responsible for so many drawings.

Thank you brother


BTW, Greetings Hospitaller! It is good to see your presence here once again my friend
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 16, 2009, 09:31:37 AM
Yeah, I ran across the artist's name while looking at different cover art for one of my favorite books, A Game of Thrones. Luca Tarlazzi did the art for the Italian cover of the book, which I really liked. One short google search later led me to the artist's website, where I found that whole page of Templar related art.  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 16, 2009, 01:14:43 PM
By chance brother Mikael if you ever stumble across a english speaking gallery with the portrait below, please let me know. It would be most appreciated.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarios.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 16, 2009, 01:43:45 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on February 13, 2009, 01:08:26 PM
I do appreciate her snappy and forwarding thinking style when it comes to habits but I'm just not sure..... ;) :D


Great, now your going to go and piss he break her heart sumthin terrible

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/Nun_ruler.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 16, 2009, 09:13:15 PM
FYE:

An interesting portrayal of a Full Brother..
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Imagen010.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 16, 2009, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on February 16, 2009, 01:14:43 PM
By chance brother Mikael if you ever stumble across a english speaking gallery with the portrait below, please let me know. It would be most appreciated.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarios.jpg)

Will do! I'll keep an eye out for it. I really like that one, too.  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 16, 2009, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on February 16, 2009, 09:13:15 PM
FYE:

An interesting portrayal of a Full Brother..
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Imagen010.jpg)

That is an AMAZING work of art!!!! Do you know it's origins, i.e. is the bust available for purchase anywhere? I wouldn't mind having that one.

I love the beaten and worn look of him. Beaten, but still standing!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 17, 2009, 08:22:25 AM
A very nice piece of art.  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thumbup.gif)(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thumbup.gif) I wonder if the scale is close to actual size as that would be really something. Please also note the Potent 3 tab triangular greek cross over the left chest...nuff said!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 17, 2009, 09:00:55 AM


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Imagen010.jpg)


he's missing something though


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarios.jpg)


that looks rather painfull
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 17, 2009, 10:19:47 AM
Heres a German film from 2004. "The Blood of the Templars"

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/blutdtempler.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 17, 2009, 03:05:12 PM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on February 16, 2009, 09:48:16 PM

That is an AMAZING work of art!!!! Do you know it's origins, i.e. is the bust available for purchase anywhere? I wouldn't mind having that one.


They're from an Italian modeling site.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 17, 2009, 03:06:06 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on February 17, 2009, 08:22:25 AM
A very nice piece of art.  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thumbup.gif)(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thumbup.gif) I wonder if the scale is close to actual size as that would be really something. Please also note the Potent 3 tab triangular greek cross over the left chest...nuff said!

My sentiments exactly, although I wore a Spanish affiliated cross to M.T.  :P

Might take some shots in the old "war helm" now!!!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 17, 2009, 03:06:42 PM
I leave you now with......


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Imagen_044.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 17, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on February 17, 2009, 03:06:06 PM
My sentiments exactly, although I wore a Spanish affiliated cross to M.T.  :P

Yes, but it was in respect to the lord of the region.  I would of done the exact same thing  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 17, 2009, 03:32:21 PM
*scratches head* Is he (Frere William) not my Brother from another Mother?  ??? ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 17, 2009, 03:51:16 PM
 ;D i thought he was
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 17, 2009, 05:16:38 PM
How correct you are Lady ASHley!

Family Portrait (circa 12c)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/BrotherfromanotherMother.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 17, 2009, 05:23:40 PM
nearly falls off chair from being told I was right
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 17, 2009, 08:02:33 PM
Miniature representations to grace the desks of our Commandaries/Preceptories:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/1.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/10.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/11.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/12.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/2.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/3-1.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/4.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/5.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/6.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/7.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/8.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/9.jpg)

And I haven't even gotten into the Schleich/Papo plastic Knight arena yet!

Well maybe just one:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/BBI.jpg)

(A true favorite amongst Warrior Monks!)

And a late entry, direct from Sweden; Arn!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TOW30003.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 18, 2009, 03:42:43 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/Twins_I.jpg)

Notice back then he was still taller than me  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 18, 2009, 08:37:46 AM
rofl ohhh wow i believe someone has too much time on thier hands
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 18, 2009, 08:58:47 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on February 18, 2009, 03:42:43 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/Twins_I.jpg)

Notice back then he was still taller than me  ;)

...I don't think that picture can ever be topped...   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 18, 2009, 09:05:53 AM
obviously fraternal twins....

it's unsettling really.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 18, 2009, 09:19:22 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/BBI.jpg)
I have this one! It was a gift when I busted up my shoulder...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 18, 2009, 09:25:49 AM
I know Frere William has at least one, and I myself have two, because their like chips.....you can't have just one! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 18, 2009, 10:47:09 AM
Yes I received one during Christmas last year. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 19, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
Templarios

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarios-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarios_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 19, 2009, 11:06:15 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/templarios-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 19, 2009, 12:15:12 PM
he didn't just call her a wanna be?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 19, 2009, 12:42:25 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 19, 2009, 12:47:59 PM
that is so a making him miss his evening mead offense
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 19, 2009, 01:41:40 PM
I just don't see Warrior Monk as an "evening mead" sort.  He drinks nails or something....


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 19, 2009, 01:43:09 PM
alright then No evening nails or snails for him either
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 19, 2009, 03:07:11 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on February 19, 2009, 01:41:40 PM
I just don't see Warrior Monk as an "evening mead" sort.  He drinks nails or something....


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/DeusvultPD.jpg)(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/bestwhistle.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 20, 2009, 10:01:31 AM
A must read for all the Brothers' little princesses....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/resized_9781741147346_224_297_FitSq.jpg)

A series of eye-opening profiles and stories about women as warriors, from a Roman empress to an Irish pirate, from a woman samurai to a Russian fighter pilot in World War II.

Psst! It's true! This is the best book on warrior women you'll ever read!

Warning: This is not a book about saints or do-gooders. This is a book about lying, cheating, bullying, murdering, vengeful women.

They murdered their husbands, executed their enemies and stole whole countries from their rivals. Read this book to find out about legendary battle queens like Boudicca, scheming empresses like Cleopatra and cut-throat pirates like Madam Ching.

Watch out for women on the warpath!  Suitable for ages 8-12.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 20, 2009, 10:42:45 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on February 20, 2009, 10:01:31 AM
Warning: This is not a book about saints or do-gooders. This is a book about lying, cheating, bullying, murdering, vengeful women.

You sure you're not reading the Post Office bulletin on my ex-wife?  ??? :o :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 20, 2009, 10:56:23 AM
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/9781741147346.gif)

While my alter-ego, Sister Hatchet endorses this tomb.....

Femme finds it a bit rough (thankful she doesn't have a daughter) and would prefer a section on Spiritual Warriors
*then she ducks*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 20, 2009, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on February 20, 2009, 10:42:45 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on February 20, 2009, 10:01:31 AM
Warning: This is not a book about saints or do-gooders. This is a book about lying, cheating, bullying, murdering, vengeful women.

You sure you're not reading the Post Office bulletin on my ex-wife? 

Wait a minute...your ex was a stripper??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 20, 2009, 11:16:29 AM
*blows coffee all over screen*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 20, 2009, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on February 20, 2009, 11:10:59 AM
Wait a minute...your ex was a stripper??

Remind me to tell you the tale when we link up in the future... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 20, 2009, 11:19:08 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on February 20, 2009, 10:56:23 AM
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/9781741147346.gif)

Is the Operative word on the cover: WERE ?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 20, 2009, 11:20:31 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on February 20, 2009, 11:16:29 AM
*blows coffee all over screen*

A sure sign of demonic possession!  :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 20, 2009, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on February 20, 2009, 11:20:31 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on February 20, 2009, 11:16:29 AM
*blows coffee all over screen*

A sure sign of demonic possession!  :P ;) ;D


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/15.gif)

The Power of Christ Compels You

The Power of Christ Compels You

The Power of Christ Compels You

The Power of Christ Compels You

The Power of Christ Compels You


You should be good to go now
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 20, 2009, 12:25:58 PM
*sigh*

*drat, another exorcism*

QuoteWait a minute...your ex was a stripper??

I thought perhaps not only were you two long lost brothers but had somehow married the same woman.   :P ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 20, 2009, 12:32:40 PM



Quote from: Femme Falchion on February 20, 2009, 12:25:58 PMI thought perhaps not only were you two long lost brothers but had somehow married the same woman.   :P ;)


Thats a BIG negative on the handfasting of a stripper
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 20, 2009, 12:56:12 PM
Ok they need to issue a correction it should say woman are fighters  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 20, 2009, 01:03:55 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on February 20, 2009, 12:56:12 PM
Ok they need to issue a correction it should say woman are fighters  :P


women.........*cricket....cricket.....* :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 20, 2009, 01:08:19 PM
looks like someones missing his deus vult cola tonight
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 20, 2009, 03:27:29 PM
Warrior Monk will be missing more than his can of Deus Vult if Lady LeFay finds out he implied that women are boring....or anything less than divine beings of unique strength.

****Brrrrr....I feel a chill coming on****
;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 20, 2009, 03:30:35 PM
Oh no, not at all.....I can attest to the fact that they make life more than interesting at times!!!! :P ;)

I was trying to convey the fact of:

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on February 20, 2009, 01:03:55 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on February 20, 2009, 12:56:12 PM
Ok they need to issue a correction it should say woman are fighters  :P


women.........*cricket....cricket.....* :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 20, 2009, 03:33:54 PM
(I modified and raised the bar on my last post)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 22, 2009, 08:43:20 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/hi_header.jpg)

Wednesday, February 25, 2009

10-11pm -- Lost Worlds - Knights Templar.

They defended the Holy Land through bloodshed and prayer. Founded in the 12th century, these Christian warrior monks reigned supreme for nearly 200 years before suffering a spectacular fall from grace. Tried for heresy, they were disbanded and their Grand Master burned at the stake. We'll search behind the legend for their lost world. We recreate the city they knew as Tortosa--now hidden among modern homes in the Syrian city of Tartus. We reveal secrets of their headquarters at Temple Mount in Jerusalem, with magnificent underground vaults that could stable 1,000 horses. And we visit the circular church in London built to resemble the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and the site of the Templar's mysterious initiation rites. We bring to life the hilltop fortress that Lawrence of Arabia called "the finest castle in the world", and return to the Mediterranean island where the Knights Templars made their last stand against Moslem enemies.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 22, 2009, 08:20:49 PM
Here's an interesting representation of Peter the Hermit, of the First Crusade fame.
Take note of his cross' location:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/PetertheHermit.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 23, 2009, 02:47:38 PM
Please tell me that he's wearing a little cap with fringe (mayhap, black fringe?)

.......and what is the significance of the cross location?  Is that indicative of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 23, 2009, 03:34:35 PM
Sister Hatchet, you of all people should have understood his "style". ;) :P

Tonsure is the practice of some Christian churches, mystics, Buddhist novices and monks, and some Hindu temples of cutting the hair from the scalp of clerics, devotees or holy people as a symbol of their renunciation of worldly fashion and esteem.

See:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonsure


As for the Cross location, it was assumed that they wore them on their chest, and not on their sleeves...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 23, 2009, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on February 22, 2009, 08:20:49 PM
Here's an interesting representation of Peter the Hermit, of the First Crusade fame.
Take note of his cross' location:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/PetertheHermit.jpg)

ff to me it looks like his hair not a hat
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 23, 2009, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on February 23, 2009, 03:34:35 PM
Sister Hatchet, you of all people should have understood his "style". ;) :P

Tis true, given my study of the other great religions of the world, I should be familiar with tonsure. 

Apparently what I have taken for receding hairlines is actually religious fervor.   ;) :P

....and I still prefer my coif to be a symbol along the lines of "the body is a temple"

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on February 23, 2009, 03:34:35 PM
As for the Cross location, it was assumed that they wore them on their chest, and not on their sleeves...

perhaps it's a visual idiom....wearing one's cross on his sleeve is expressing devotion freely and openly
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 23, 2009, 08:28:37 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on February 23, 2009, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on February 23, 2009, 03:34:35 PM
As for the Cross location, it was assumed that they wore them on their chest, and not on their sleeves...

perhaps it's a visual idiom....wearing one's cross on his sleeve is expressing devotion freely and openly


I thought that was why they wore the emblem to begin with, to demonstrate this concept to those they encountered...........but hey, he turned out to be a Saint! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 24, 2009, 08:49:35 AM
I'm wanting to say that I remember reading somewhere that those who took the cross during the First Crusades wore it on their sleeves. Of course, I've also read that it was worn on the breast, and then worn on the back to signify a return from pilgrimage. Of course, my favorite sign of crusading devotion was the branding of the cross into the forehead (I believe Bishop Adhemar Le Puy did that). There was no doubting HIS devotion to the cause!  ;D)


(http://fc45.deviantart.com/fs41/f/2009/054/4/e/Godfrey_Cropped_by_MChampion.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 24, 2009, 10:01:32 AM
I had read where they wore their crosses on their back, thus symbolizing the carrying of the cross through the trials of their pilgrimage much like the cross carried by Christ.
There is still debate as to where the cross was exactly located on the Templar coat (chest, left side, right side....each with special pluses and minuses), much like the debate of what style cross. As for me, I will stand fast with the Helen Nicholson representation in Osprey's Knight Templar book.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 24, 2009, 11:37:06 AM
NEVER a bad source to fall back on.   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 24, 2009, 05:15:57 PM
I returned home from work today, to receive a big surprise that the Lady LeFay had ordered for me.
I am now the owner of the book:

Templars, Hospitallers and Teutonic Knights; Images of the Military Orders 1128-1291

By Helen Nicholson

The book is a study of the images which the military religious orders evoked in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries, that is, how they were viewed by various segments of society.


Woohoo! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 25, 2009, 08:36:32 AM
Anxiously awaiting the official review...   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 25, 2009, 09:52:52 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on February 24, 2009, 05:15:57 PM
I returned home from work today, to receive a big surprise that the Lady LeFay had ordered for me.
I am now the owner of the book:

Templars, Hospitallers and Teutonic Knights; Images of the Military Orders 1128-1291

By Helen Nicholson


What an incredible surprise it must have been.  Hats off to Lady Lefay for delivering to you a most sought after read by many enthusiast of the holy orders. (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/notworthy.gif) Thats awesome!

BTW, Paperback or Hardbound?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 25, 2009, 09:54:06 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on February 24, 2009, 05:15:57 PM
I returned home from work today, to receive a big surprise that the Lady LeFay had ordered for me.
I am now the owner of the book:

Templars, Hospitallers and Teutonic Knights; Images of the Military Orders 1128-1291

By Helen Nicholson

The book is a study of the images which the military religious orders evoked in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries, that is, how they were viewed by various segments of society.


Woohoo! ;D ;D ;D


hmmmm If i didn't know better i would think she loves you
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 25, 2009, 10:26:07 AM
It would be a mint condition soft cover. ;D

And yes, apparently she does... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 25, 2009, 10:57:20 AM
Excellent find from the Lady Lefay. I search periodically for a soft cover and always coming up empty handed,  hardbound's seem to always be available although with a hefty price tag.  The search however will continue!


Once again, excellent find Lady Lefay!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 26, 2009, 01:31:03 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/1042948151_l.jpg)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 26, 2009, 01:33:37 PM
did you make that?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 26, 2009, 04:32:15 PM
I can only wish. It actually belongs to a friend of mine from the UK.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 26, 2009, 04:40:25 PM
DEUS VULT

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(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/TattooFabian81.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/TattooFabian81-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 27, 2009, 09:20:14 AM
FYI:

Starts March 12th on the History Channel (take special note of title and subject of episode 6)

http://www.history.com/content/warriors
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on February 27, 2009, 09:50:27 AM
that actually makes me wish we had cable!  :) 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 27, 2009, 09:52:33 AM
Episode 6: Warrior Monks
Malta, 1565
The Knights of Saint Johns defend Malta from attacking Ottomans in one of history's greatest sieges--the Siege of Malta--the last battle of the Crusades.

I believe this is the first televised segment they have produced dedicated to the Hospitallers.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 27, 2009, 12:57:04 PM
The National Geo channel had one on the Brothers in Black awhile back.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 27, 2009, 01:40:06 PM
Those bastages!  I never got the memo!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on February 27, 2009, 03:43:20 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on February 26, 2009, 01:31:03 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/1042948151_l.jpg)


...I have to have one...   8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 27, 2009, 10:32:55 PM
 :o you forgot something

God wills it and DEUS VULT
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 28, 2009, 07:22:05 AM
Bravo Lady ASHley!!!!!!!! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 28, 2009, 04:12:35 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 28, 2009, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on February 27, 2009, 03:43:20 PM
I have to have one...

I'm tellin ya brother. They don't get much nicer than that!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 01, 2009, 08:33:54 AM
Monday, March 2, 2009
____________________________________________________


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/hi_header.jpg)


8-10pm -- The Crusades: Crescent & the Cross - #1.
The shadow of war between Christian and Muslim hangs over us today, but it is a war that began nearly a thousand years ago. By the close of the 11th century, Jerusalem had been in Muslim hands for over 400 years. In 1095 Pope Urban II launched an unprecedented military campaign to seize it back--a "Crusade" to purge the Holy Land of "the infidel". Over 60,000 Christian warriors would journey 3,000 miles and for almost three years to reclaim the Holy City in the name of God. But their adversaries, the Turkish warlords of the Middle East would resist them every step of the way. In a series of epic battles and bloody massacres, tens of thousands would die as the crusaders inched ever closer towards Jerusalem.

10-12am -- The Crusades: Crescent & the Cross - #2.

In 1099 the Crusaders took Jerusalem in the bloodiest of battles, wrenching it back from the Muslims for the first time in 400 years. But, over the decades that followed, the Islamic world dreamed of fighting back. In 1144 the Muslims seized the city of Edessa from the Christians. The news reverberated back to Europe, and the Pope called for a Second Crusade. But this Crusade was a disaster. It failed to expand the Christian empire, and strengthened the resolve of the Muslims. Under their great leader, Saladin, the Muslim swept through the Christian Kingdom taking town after town. In 1187 he took Jerusalem. This shocked the west into responding, with a Third Crusade. Led by Richard the Lionheart they defeated Saladin and marched on Jerusalem. Richard failed to take the city and the Third Crusade failed.



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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 01, 2009, 03:12:42 PM
Luckily I can watch my disk set, due to their poor airing times for part II.  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 01, 2009, 04:02:51 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 01, 2009, 03:12:42 PM
Luckily I can watch my disk set, due to their poor airing times for part II.  :P

Aye..me too.  Besides, NO commercials!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on March 01, 2009, 09:07:21 PM
why sir william you have gone irish on us.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 02, 2009, 07:56:47 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on March 01, 2009, 09:07:21 PM
why sir william you have gone irish on us.

Why yes sister ASHley. It is that time of year.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 02, 2009, 10:31:48 AM
FYI:


The Knights Templar on Trial (Hardcover) by Helen J. Nicholson

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/51dll6p2BytL__SS500_.jpg)

Due out in June of this year.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 02, 2009, 12:18:49 PM
667   ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 02, 2009, 12:27:53 PM
667...Just in the nick of time too!



Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 02, 2009, 10:31:48 AM
FYI:


The Knights Templar on Trial (Hardcover) by Helen J. Nicholson

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/51dll6p2BytL__SS500_.jpg)

Due out in June of this year.



Something to look forward to in June

Could this possibly be...

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 02, 2009, 12:40:20 PM
While I like Frale's writing style, I think she'd be out classed by Nicholson's grasp of overall Templar History.

What's really funny, is if you go to Templar History Forums, and look up Mr Napier's original book cover  (http://www.templarhistory.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3031 ) that was forced on him, before he won the battle of what to put on his cover, you'll see something hauntingly familiar.


As for any other "versus" items.....well.....no contest there. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 02, 2009, 12:50:02 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 02, 2009, 12:40:20 PM
While I like Frale's writing style, I think she'd be out classed by Nicholson's grasp of overall Templar History.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree with you more on that one.

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 02, 2009, 12:40:20 PMWhat's really funny, is if you go to Templar History Forums, and look up Mr Napier's original book cover  (http://www.templarhistory.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3031 ) that was forced on him, before he won the battle of what to put on his cover, you'll see something hauntingly familiar.

Daaamn....Is that the best they could do (obviously Mr Napier did) is that the only image available? Helen "come on!" whats with the plates?  I personally know a few individuals that could, and would of volunteered their time to offer her something more fitting.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 02, 2009, 12:56:30 PM
I shall send her a dispatch and ask her that. I will attach your photo as well.
I remember Gordon talking about what a hassle the printers were, since they have a large say in what it will look like.

I sent him a note about it, and await his reply.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 02, 2009, 01:04:36 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 02, 2009, 12:40:20 PM
As for any other "versus" items.....well.....no contest there. ;) ;D

any other versus items?  I know you couldn't possibly be shallow enough to be referring to the physical appearance of these brilliant and knowledgeable ladies....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 02, 2009, 01:07:03 PM
Not at all...we were refering to one's close proximity to the Vatican...... :P


We can also assume that all is well in the Kingdom of Carolinia by your ability to reply and provoke the Brethren.... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 02, 2009, 01:28:20 PM
Yes, I was sure you were referring to how Nicholson and Frale cite sources or some other scholarly characteristics as opposed to packaging.   ;)

Only a few inches here...lots of ice. Never fear, as long as I have internet access and the ability to pour a glass of wine draw breath I'll always be able to moderate this Fraternity.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on March 02, 2009, 01:31:02 PM
Cin-cin, FF. 8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 02, 2009, 01:51:14 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on March 02, 2009, 01:28:20 PM
Yes, I was sure you were referring to how Nicholson and Frale cite sources or some other scholarly characteristics as opposed to packaging.   ;)


It's never the packaging, for I would fall wanting, hence why I wrap my several hundreds of pounds of chewed bubble gum frame in shiny, pristine white and red wrappings to cover up my flaws.... :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 02, 2009, 02:30:16 PM


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 02, 2009, 02:40:09 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on March 02, 2009, 02:30:16 PM


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Don't let Sister Hatchett see it....we'll have to answer for it.....lol!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 02, 2009, 02:42:46 PM
Just an idea I put together kinda fast
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 02, 2009, 02:53:49 PM
It took minutes to make, and hours to explain... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 02, 2009, 02:54:15 PM
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Goddess/SisterHatchet.jpg)

I think the image denotes a Templar that has been a very, very, very, VERY baaaaaad boy.    ;) :o

(BTW, is that you Brother William? Love to see the rest in that series.  ;) )
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 02, 2009, 02:55:36 PM
I knew it....................
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 02, 2009, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on March 02, 2009, 02:54:15 PM
(BTW, is that you Brother William? Love to see the rest in that series.  ;) )

Yeah its me, I set it up myself. Unfortunately its the only image I saved because It was the only one were I was centered in the photo.

BTW, do you know how hard it is to tie yourself up?  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/tinySW_.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 02, 2009, 03:06:48 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/popeb.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 02, 2009, 03:16:11 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on March 02, 2009, 03:01:35 PM
BTW, do you know how hard it is to tie yourself up? 

No.  Having said that, it's always good to know how to tie a variety of knots and hitches.   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 02, 2009, 09:11:53 PM
Yes Indeed. Its is always a good idea to know how to tie and untie a variety of knots & hitches

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on March 02, 2009, 10:32:35 PM
must teach opposition to tie self up so i don't have to tie them up ;D or could just get hockey stick
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 03, 2009, 09:48:34 AM
FYI:

Came across this today, thought I'd share...

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And, hhhhmmmmm...........

http://www.amazon.com/Uppity-Women-Medieval-Times-Vicki/dp/1573240397/ref=sr_1_45?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236129544&sr=8-45
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 04, 2009, 06:31:19 AM
hmmmmmm indeed.  The series is not favorably reviewed.  The title alone puts a negative spin on all the female figures showcased.  It's common.  What's viewed as "uppity" in a woman is viewed as more positive and "assertive" in a man.   >:(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 04, 2009, 07:42:01 AM
I think I'm gonna be in trouble at GARF! :P ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on March 04, 2009, 07:44:37 AM
Rofl WM how are you going to be in trouble at Garf?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 04, 2009, 08:40:03 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 04, 2009, 07:42:01 AM
I think I'm gonna be in trouble at GARF! :P ;)

Nervous that Lady LeFay and I will join forces and gather all the uppity women together?  Cut our hair and put on the vestments of men?  Leave our men to watch the children so we can cavort and imbibe in spirits and flirt shamelessly with the handsome rogues?  ;)  Geeeeze, I can't wait!!!!  ;) :) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 04, 2009, 09:00:39 AM
Aaaaaaahhhhh..... not! The Lady Lefay keeps me on a short leash, so I would be in close proximity, to deliver the "HoG" should uppity women get out of control, and make GARF resemble the spectacle of Beltane or the like.... :P


Don't I wish...... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 04, 2009, 09:49:58 AM
Today in Crusades history:

The great German Emperor Frederick Barbarossa was elected as the Holy Roman Emperor in 1152. Frederick was frequently at odds with the papacy over issues of authority and was even excommunicated by Pope Alexander III. He was able to consolidate power in Germany but lost territory in northern Italy. Frederick drowned while crossing the Saleph River during the Third Crusade, while leading the largest army yet to march on the Outremer.  He even sent a letter warning Saladin of the great Germanic host that was coing down to the Holy Land to right the wrongs done by the Saracen. It is said that Saladin feared Frederick's approach more than that of the French and English (Phillip and Richard the Lionheart).

And the legendary Saracen commander Saladin died today in 1193, not long after Richard the Lionheart's departure from the Holy Land. They had come to a resolution about the visitation and pilgrimage rights of Christians to the Holy City.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 05, 2009, 07:26:23 AM
Quote from: Mikael of Aragon on February 25, 2009, 08:36:32 AM
Anxiously awaiting the official review...   ;D

Well, just finished Helen Nicholson's book, and again she reaffirms why she's a leading Templar historian. Her attention to the smallest detail would make an obsessive/compulsive proud. If there were ever to be an "Honorary Templar" as a female, she would definitely be cast for the position.

The book explains a variety of perceptions of how the Military Orders were viewed by their contemporaries; (clergy, commoners, royalty, and amongst themselves).

At their inception, they were viewed with suspicion, much like when the Department of the Homeland Security Office was developed after 911. How could "Holy Men" carry the sword and use it within the framework of the Church. Please remember that although the Order of the Hospital is the oldest of the Orders, that it was the Knights of the Temple that were developed strictly with the sword in mind.

To help validate the concept, Bernard of Clairvaux helped sell the idea with his strong and persuasive talents. Much like the Dallas Cowboys were "America's Team" of the 80s, the new Orders, especially the Templars were "Christianity's Team". (http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/ZkbduH8Dxhsmile.gif)

Their popularity read like the ride of a roller coaster. The high points were usually around victories, and when the powerful needed a degree of support. The low points were usually centered on losses, and when privileges were granted to them exempting them from taxes that others had to pay. Remember though.....war isn't cheap! Regular clergy were at odds against the rapid growth and privileges of the Orders, especially since they weren't ordained monks. Here the clergy had the advantage of being inside the public centers, having the commoners' ears, and being literate and capable of writing their grievances.

Again, most of this applies to the two predominant Orders; the Templars, and Hospitallers. When it came to the Teutonic Order, the National friction, which helped establish the German Order, helped to protect their autonomy from the Church. Germany was the seat of the Holy Roman Empire, and many German Emperors were at odds with the Popes. The dominant two Orders were made up of many nationalities (but predominantly French), but as witnessed the Teutonic Order also carried the label of the German Order. This ethnical base proved a boon for the Teutons. They established decent relations with their warlike people, except in the Northern regions of Europe where Pagans took offense to their "conversion" activities.

She points out that the Pope like many of the Royalty, trusted the Orders for operations requiring security and trust: money holding/lending. The Pope even had Templars and Hospitallers on his immediate personal staff.

All in all, it was a great read. It has over 200 pages in the book, but only 130 are actual reading material. The others are supporting notes for each of the chapters.

If you're like Brother William, then I recommend you get it, but they're not cheap. The book has been out for awhile, and much coveted by historians, fans, history buffs, and medieval geeks worldwide.

Deus vult!


I have four new books coming in the very near future. Actually 3 of them aren't really books per say, but are awesome for gathering little details about gear. The last one was mentioned that I should take a look at it. I know Brother William and I have discussed its content before, but a good friend in uniform suggested I review it, so I will.

•   Osprey Publishing: Teutonic Knight: 1190-1561 (Warrior)
•   Osprey Publishing: The Crusades (Elite)
•   Osprey Publishing: The Scandinavian Baltic Crusades 1100-1500 (Men-at-Arms)
•   Nobly Born: An Illustrated History of the Knights Templar by Dafoe

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 05, 2009, 01:25:11 PM
Thanks for the excellent review professor Monk.   :) Your thread pilgrims appreciate the thoughtful commentary.  You are blessed to have many other good reads on the horizon.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 05, 2009, 05:40:48 PM
Breaking news!

As seen in the latest issue of Military History Magazine:

Searchers find remains of grand masters of the Order of Teutonic Knights
Monika Scislowska - THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
 

WARSAW, Poland — Polish archeologists believe silk-draped skeletons found in a cathedral crypt are the 600-year-old remains of three grand masters of the Teutonic Knights.


An archeologist says DNA testing was done on the skeleton remains of the three in the city of Kwidzyn — the Teutonic fortress of Marienwerder in the Middle Ages.


He says the tests indicate the remains are those of Werner von Orseln, the knights' leader from 1324 to 1330; Ludolf Koenig, who ruled from 1342 to 1345, and Heinrich von Plauen, who reigned from 1410 to 1413.


Bogumil Wisniewski, the archeologist who spearheaded the search, tells The Associated Press that researchers are 95 to 96 per cent sure it is them.


He says the skeletons, found in wooden coffins, were draped in silks — some painted with gold — a fabric reserved only to those highest in power in the Middle Ages.


DNA tests matched their age to that of the death age of the three grand masters. They also revealed temporary malnutrition in one of the skeletons that could match the 10-year imprisonment of von Plauen.

Wisniewski acknowledged he could only be completely certain of the identities ''if I met each face-to-face and he told me his name.''


But he said several other indicators supported the find, including wall paintings in the cathedral showing the three grand masters and historic documents saying that von Orseln and Koenig were buried there. The order ruled in the area until early 16th century.


Wojciech Weryk, co-ordinator for city development and promotion, said the remains will be returned to the crypt and displayed under a special glass shield, so visitors can see them.


''This is such a valuable historic finding that we should show it,'' Weryk said.


The Order of the Teutonic Knights was founded in the late 12th century to aid German pilgrims in the Holy Land.


It became a military order, wearing trademark white coats with black crosses, forcefully bringing Christianity to pagan Prussians. It took control along the Baltic Sea coast in what is now northern Poland.


The order was defeated by Polish and Lithuanian forces at the Battle of Grunwald in 1410.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 06, 2009, 08:48:44 AM
What a discovery! Very cool!


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/5107063.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 06, 2009, 09:39:54 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on March 06, 2009, 08:48:44 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/5107063.jpg)

When the kite shield comes in, I plan on doing a photo like this..... :P

minus the shafts, and the full length sleeves.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on March 06, 2009, 10:07:12 AM
you don't want to look like the guy in the pic?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 06, 2009, 10:16:46 AM
FLASH Trivia Question:

Sister, what Order of Warrior Monks is the Brother from, in the above photo?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on March 06, 2009, 11:12:53 AM
hmmmm spanish?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 06, 2009, 12:07:15 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/bangin2.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on March 06, 2009, 12:24:19 PM
alright i'm off to study
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 06, 2009, 12:41:09 PM
Does it rhyme with supersonic?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 06, 2009, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on March 06, 2009, 10:07:12 AM
you don't want to look like the guy in the pic?
:o
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on March 06, 2009, 11:12:53 AM
hmmmm spanish?
::) :'(

You have answered your own question, even with an incorrect response......study Sister.......study! :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 06, 2009, 12:59:06 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on March 06, 2009, 12:41:09 PM
Does it rhyme with supersonic?

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 06, 2009, 01:04:40 PM
...or bubonic? .....or hysteronics....

I'm not trying to answer the question, just giving Lady de Pond a hint......  :)


***besides, who wants another Boudicca with Foot Massage Barbi award?***
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 06, 2009, 03:41:21 PM
I was thinking "hooked-on-phonics" while I was studying naval avionics  (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/jpshakehead.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on March 06, 2009, 03:49:38 PM
Order of Teutonic Knights
:P
I've been falling down on studies guess work has been getting in the way
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 06, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on March 06, 2009, 03:49:38 PM
Order of Teutonic Knights

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/clapping.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 07, 2009, 08:56:54 AM
Back to theme.....

Although there were several "short lived" Crusades attempts against other threats (Mongols, and Royally decreed objectives), for the most part, the concentrated efforts looked something like this:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/crusadesarena.jpg)

I have included the time lines, so that you can see they ran concurrently... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 07, 2009, 09:44:15 AM
Rules of the Teutonic Knights

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1. Of chastity and obedience and living without property, and their ordering.
There are three things which are fundamental to every life in religion, and they are prescribed in this rule. The first is perpetual chastity, the second is renunciation of one's own will, that is, obedience unto death, the third is the assumption of poverty, that is living without property after entering this order. These three things fashion and make dedicated men like unto the image of Our Lord Jesus Christ, who was and remained chaste in soul and body, and who assumed great poverty at His birth, when they wrapped Him in ragged swaddling clothes. Poverty followed Him all His life until He hung naked for us on the cross. He has given us also the model of obedience, for He was obedient unto death to His Father. Thus He sanctified in Himself holy obedience when He said: "I am not come to do mine own will, but the will of My Father, Who sent me." Also, St. Luke writes that Jesus, when leaving Jerusalem with Mary and Joseph, was obedient to them. On these three things, chastity, obedience, and living without property, rests completely the strength of this rule and they remain unchangeable so that the master of the order has no power to dispense anyone from these three things, for if one of them is broken, the whole rule is broken.


2. That they may have property, inheritances, land and serfs in common.
The brethren, on account of the great expenses, arising from the needs of so many people and hospitals and of the knights and the sick and the poor, may possess, to be held in common in the name of the Order and their chapters, movables and inheritances, land and fields, vineyards, mills, fortresses, villages, parishes, chapels, tithes and such things, as are granted in their privileges. They may also possess in perpetual right, people, men and women, serfs, male and female.


3. Of the liberty to accuse and answer accusations in a lawful manner.
Since every religious order with privileges and liberties from the See of Rome is exempt from secular courts, so it is likewise fitting that this holy Order of the Brethren of the Hospital of Saint Mary of the German House of Jerusalem realize that it is taken under the special protection of the Papal See. But, in order that such protection by the Church be in no way contrary to right, we decree that the brethren in suits which they have against anyone, keep in all ways their liberties and privileges, provided that they not act wickedly, unfairly, and maliciously against those whom they accuse or indict. And if they are accused or indicted they shall not proceed cunningly and deceitfully against their accusers.


4. Of establishing hospitals.
Because this order had a hospital before it had knights, as appears clearly from its name for it is called the Hospital, so we decree that in the main house, or where the master with the counsel of the chapter decides, there be a hospital at all times, but elsewhere, if someone wishes to give an established hospital with funds to the house, the provincial commander with the counsel of the wisest brethren may accept or refuse. In other houses of this order, where there is no hospital, no hospital shall be established without special command of the master with the counsel of the wiser brethren.


5. How to admit the sick to the hospital.
The sick shall be admitted to the hospital in this manner When the sick person arrives, before being put to bed, he shall confess his sins, if he is strong enough and if there is a confessor, and he shall also receive the Eucharist if the confessor advises it. In no other way shall anyone who is sick be admitted to the hospital. And if he has any property the brother in charge of the hospital shall keep it against a written receipt. He shall also warn the sick person that he take great care of the welfare of his soul, and what the sick person orders and decides concerning his property shall be carried out as far as possible.


6. How the sick shall be cared for in the hospital.
Then after the sick person has been admitted to the hospital, he shall, at the discretion of the hospitaller, who shall decide what he needs for his illness, be cared for diligently, with such discretion that in the main house, where is the head of the Order, there shall be physicians according to the means of the house and the number of the sick, and the sick shall be compassionately treated and lovingly cared for, according to the judgment of the physicians and the circumstances of the house, and every day they shall in charity be given food before the brethren eat, and on Sundays the Epistles and the Gospel shall be read to them and they shall be asperged with Holy Water and the brethren shall go in procession to them. In other hospitals they shall in charity be fed at the proper times. On Sundays the Epistles and the Gospel shall be read and they shall be asperged with Holy Water, with no procession, unless the provincial commander, at his discretion, orders otherwise. Also we leave to his discretion, with the advice of the wise brethren, provision of physicians in the aforenamed hospitals. Furthermore, careful watch shall be kept, that in all hospitals the sick never lack a night light. Those who die in these hospitals any time in the day before Vespers shall be buried at once, if it suits the warden. Those who die after Vespers shall be kept over night and buried the next day after Prime, unless it is decided otherwise by the warden of the hospital. Also we wish it to be strictly observed that in all places where there is a hospital, the brother to whom the master, or the master's deputy, has entrusted the care of the sick shall care for their souls as well as for their bodies and take pains to serve them humbly and devotedly. The commanders likewise shall be careful lest the sick lack anything in the way of food and other necessaries, so far as they can be provided. However, if through despite or negligence on the part of those who provide for the needs of the sick, the sick are neglected, then the brethren who serve in the hospital shall notify the master or the superior, who shall inflict suitable punishment according to the gravity of the offense. He to whom the sick are entrusted shall also take care to secure, if possible, attendants who will bring devotion and humbleness to the task of compassionately and faithfully serving the sick; and if obvious neglect by those who tend the sick comes to his attention, he shall not let it go unpunished. The commanders and also the other brethren shall bear in mind that, when they first entered this holy order, they solemnly promised to serve the sick as well as to keep the order of knighthood.


7.
How alms collectors shall be sent out.
Since care of the sick entails great expense, in accordance with concessions in the privileges of the Order, there may be ordained, by special permission of the master or of the provincial commander, and sent out alms collectors for the sick, who are religious and chosen for that purpose, who may announce the papal indulgence to the laity and also remind the people to come to the aid of the hospital with alms. They shall likewise be of such good life that they do not, by their bad example, as the sons of Eli did, turn the people from sacrifice to God and from giving alms for the sick. Likewise, they shall not be immoderate in their expenditures, and, as they travel about the countryside, when they come to a house of the Order, they shall gratefully accept what the brethren in the house offer them and be satisfied, not immoderately demanding more.



8.
How they shall come to and hear divine service.
The brethren, priest and lay, shall jointly come day and night to divine service and to the hours, and the priests shall sing and read the services according to the breviary and the books which are written for the order; the lay brothers, if present, or wherever they are, shall say for Matins thirteen Pater Nosters, and far the other canonical hours seven Pater Nosters, save for Vespers when they shall say nine. They shall say the same number of Pater Nosters for the Hours of Our Lady, and when the lay brothers are sufficiently literate so that some of them, on their own or with the permission of the superior, wish to recite with the priests the canonical hours or the Hours of Our Lady with the Psalms and the other things pertaining to the priestly office, they are excused from saying the Pater Nosters set for the lay brothers. Brethren who hold office are permitted to be absent from divine service and collation, when the duties of their office do not allow them to attend. At Matins, after the invitatory and the hymn, the brethren shall sit down together, but when the Gospel is read and lauds sung, and during the Hours of Our Lady, the healthy shall stand, and in their oratories, shall rise from their seats, bowing at every Gloria Patri in reverence for the Holy Trinity. But when they shall stand they shall bow at the Gloria Patri with a seemly bend of the body. They shall likewise be diligently on guard lest anyone disturb others by whispering, by talking out loud or by unauthorized prayers, and they shall strive diligently that what they say with their lips shall come from their heart, for prayer is of little avail without the heart's participation.



9. How often in the year the brethren shall receive the Sacrament.
Since Our Lord said in the Gospel: "He that eateth My flesh, and drinketh My blood, dwelleth in Me, and I in him," and "he shall not see death," so we decree that all the brethren of this Order take Holy Communion seven times a year. First, on the Thursday before Easter Day, the same Thursday when Our Lord Jesus Christ for the first time instituted the sacrament and gave His body and His blood to His disciples and commanded them to begin to celebrate the office of the Mass in remembrance of Him; the second time on Easter Day; the third time, on Whitsunday; the fourth time at Our Lady's Mass in August; the fifth time at All Saints Mass; the sixth time on Christmas Day; the seventh time on Candlemas Day. It is not proper to receive Holy Communion fewer times, since other orders, where there are likewise lay brothers, are accustomed to partake much more frequently.



10. How prayers shall be offered for the living and the dead.
For the dead who already have come to God's judgment and therefore need quicker help, the brethren shall be careful not to delay giving the help which they ought to give. Therefore, we decree that each brother priest who is present say the office of the Dead, as set forth in the breviary of the Order, for each brother of his Order, just deceased, and each lay brother shall recite one hundred Pater Nosters for his convent brother's soul. The brethren in houses where there is no convent shall complete the same number. Each brother shall recite every day fifteen Pater Nosters for all the brethren of this Order wherever they have departed from this world. Furthermore, each brother priest of this Order shall celebrate ten masses annually for the sins and salvation of all brethren and servants, benefactors and friends of the house who are living, and ten masses for the dead. The clerks who are not priests shall recite three Psalms for the living and three for the dead. Each lay brother shall recite thirty Pater Nosters a day at the prescribed hours for the benefactors, servants, and all friends of the Order, still living, and the same number also for the dead. But they are not required to recite these Pater Nosters while fasting. It is the obligation of the house in which a brother dies to give to a poor man the best habit of the deceased brother and, for forty days, the food and drink which is customary for one brother, since alms liberate from death and shorten the punishment of the soul who has departed in grace. No brother shall make any other offerings at any time of the year.


11. How and with what the brethren may clothe themselves, and what they may have for bedding.
The brethren of this order are allowed to wear and use linen for undershirts, for drawers and hose, for sheets and for bed covers, and for other things, when suitable. Outer garments shall be of sober hue. The brother knights shall wear white mantles as a sign of knighthood, but their other garments shall not differ from those of the other brethren. We decree that each brother wear a black cross on mantle, cappen and armor surcoats to show outwardly that he is a special member of this Order. Furs, pelisses, and coverlets shall be of no material other than sheep or goat skins, yet goat shall be given to no one, unless he asks for it. The brethren shall have shoes without laces, or buckles, or rings. Likewise, those in charge of clothing or footwear shall take pains to supply the brethren in so religious and seemly a fashion that each one has the right size, not too long, nor too short, nor too tight, nor too wide, and that each one may without any help put on and off his clothes and shoes. As for bedding, let each brother be content with a sleeping bag, a rug, a sheet, a coverlet of linen or buckram and a pillow, unless the one in charge of such articles wishes to give more or less. It is fitting that upon receipt of new things, the old are returned, so that the one to whom the clothes are handed over may distribute them to the servants and to the poor. But should it happen, which God forbid, that a brother outrageously insists on arms or clothing or such things finer or better than those given him, then he deserves to be given worse. For this proves how much he is lacking in the clothing of the heart and in inner virtue, who bothers so much about the outer needs of the body. Since clerics living in the world should show their religion by their clothing, so it is all the more seemly that those in the Order use special clothing.


12.
Of the shaving of brother clerks and lay brothers.
All the brethren shall have their hair shaved in a regular and clerical manner, so that they can be recognized from the front as well as from the back as religious. As for beard and moustache, likewise care shall be taken that they be neither too short nor too full. The brother clerks shall have a tonsure of not too small size, as is seemly for men in orders, and likewise because they officiate at the Mass they shall shave the beard.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 07, 2009, 09:45:10 AM
13. How and what the brethren shall eat.
When the brethren assemble for meals, the clerics shall recite the customary grace, and the lay brothers a Pater Noster and an Ave Maria, and all shall take the victuals given by the grace of God and by the house. On three days, Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday, the brethren of this Order are allowed to eat meat; the other three days they may eat cheese and eggs, and on Friday they eat fish; however, they may eat meat every day on which Christmas Day falls, even if it falls on a Friday, because of the joy of the holy season. To all brethren common victuals should be given and distributed equally according to the status, place and need of the brother, yet among the brethren more attention shall be paid to each one's need than to his eminence. For the need of one nothing shall be taken from another, but each shall have a share according to his need. They shall likewise not desire for themselves all they see given in charity to others in need. Let him whose need is smaller thank God; let him whose need is greater, because of weakness, humble himself, and, when he receives more because of weakness, let him not pride himself on being treated with charity; thus may all members live in peace. We warn that special abstinence, which markedly differs from the general, be avoided. In their houses the brethren eat two and two together, except for vegetable dishes, and drink separately. Furthermore, in all houses where there is a convent of brethren, that is, a commander and twelve brethren, to the number of the disciples of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the custom of reading at table shall be observed, and all who are eating shall listen in silence, so that not only the mouth is fed, but also the ears which hunger after the word of God. However, those at table, in case of need, may talk quietly and in few words with those who are serving, or with other people with whom they have to settle some small matter. The servers and those eating at the second table after the convent and the brethren in the small houses where there is no reading shall endeavor to keep silent as far as the business of the house allows, unless the superior, because of visitors, gives permission to speak. The brethren shall not rise from table before they have finished their meal, except when absolutely necessary, after which they may return and finish their meal. When the meal is over, the clerks shall recite the customary prayer and the lay brothers two Pater Nosters and two Ave Maria, and in every house they shall go in an orderly fashion to the church or elsewhere as assigned by the superior. Whole loaves of bread shall be kept, but the rest given in alms.


14. Of giving alms and the tithe of bread.
It is a salutary decree of this Order, counselled by piety, that, in all houses of this Order where there are churches or chapels, the tithe of all bread baked in the ovens of the houses be given to the poor, or that, instead of the tithe of bread, common alms be given three times a week.


15. Of fasting by the brethren.
From the Sunday prior to St. Martin's Day until Christmas, and from the Sunday seven weeks before Easter until Easter Day, except Sundays, and furthermore on Twelfth Night, and the Eve of the Purification of Our Lady, St. Matthias Eve, Fridays from All Saints Day till Easter, and St. Mark's Day, unless it falls on a Sunday, and on the three days when the Cross is carried, and on Whitsun Eve, and on the Vigils of St. John the Baptist, and of St. Peter and St. Paul, and of St. James and of St. Lawrence, and on the Vigil of Our Lady in mid-August, on St. Bartholomew's Day, and on the eve of Our Lady when she was born, and on St. Matthew's, on St. Simon's and St. Jude's Day, on All Saint's Eve, on St. Andrew's, on St. Thomas's, and on all four Ember days, the brethren shall fast on Lenten fare unless infirmity or other necessity demand otherwise; and if the vigils fall on a Sunday, then they shall fast on Saturday instead. On Fridays, from Easter until All Saint's Day, the brethren may eat Lenten fare twice a day, unless, lest the laity be scandalized, the province commander with the better part of the chapter, counsels otherwise.


16.
Of the evening drink.
Every fast day the brethren shall have a collation; on other days, when they eat twice, they shall have none, unless by special permission from the superior. On collation days, the brethren, after Vespers, before Compline, shall assemble for collation and, giving thanks to God, shall take the drink which is offered them; and since in other orders where collation is drunk at night there is reading to which all listen in silence, we admonish the brethren to keep silent during collation, or to speak only of honest matters without gossiping. As soon as they hear the signal they shall go to Compline.


17.
How and where the brethren shall sleep.
All the healthy brethren, if it can be easily arranged, shall sleep together in one room, unless the superior orders that some brethren, because of official duties or because of same other matter, sleep elsewhere; and when they sleep, they shall sleep girt in their shirt, with drawers and hose on, as is proper for religious. They shall sleep apart only if it is absolutely necessary. In the places where the brethren usually sleep, the light shall be left on during the night.


18.
How the brethren shall keep silence.
After Compline, the brethren shall keep silence until Prime the next day is said, unless in the meantime they must speak with their servants or anyone else in performance of their official duties or in the care of their steeds or their arms or for other things they are commanded to do; for which tasks they shall choose the most suitable time and do them as quietly and quickly as possible. Yet exception is here made for emergencies such as thieves and fire; and whoever has to speak because of such matters shall recite a Pater Noster and an Ave Maria before going to sleep.


19. That no brother, save office-holders, have a seal.
We decree also that no brother, save those to whom an office is entrusted, have a seal or send letters, or read letters sent by anyone to him, without the permission of the superior, before whom, if it so pleases him, the letter which is received or is to be sent, shall also be read.


20. How the brethren may be permitted to give, receive and exchange things.
The brethren may exchange or give away without permission what they make of wood, save things which are entrusted to a brother for his use by the superior, and which he shall not exchange or give away without the master's permission; likewise no brother, except the commander, shall receive gifts for his own use without permission of the superior, who also has the power to decide whether he wishes to let the brother keep the gift or give it to someone else.


21.
How they shall not have special keys.
Since religious shall in all ways avoid property we will that the brethren who live in religious houses do without keys and locks for bags and boxes and chests and other things which can be locked. Here are excepted brethren who are travelling, or who are office holders, whose office requires such things for the common good of the house.


22. Of the things which pertain to the knights.
Since this order is specially founded for knights fighting the enemies of the Cross and of the faith, and since the customs of the enemy in fighting and in other matters differ in different lands, and therefore it is necessary likewise to oppose the enemy with different weapons in different ways, so we leave to the decision of the superior among the brethren the things which pertain to knights, horses, arms, attendants and other things proper and permitted to the brethren for battle, that he order and decide all the aforesaid things with the counsel of the wisest brethren of the province in which the war is fought, or with those who are present, if he cannot delay without harming the other brethren. However, the rule shall be carefully observed that saddles and bridles and shields be not painted needlessly with gold or silver, or other worldly colors. Spears, shields, and saddles shall not have covers, but polished lances may be covered with a sheath so that they be kept sharp for wounding the enemy. Likewise if the master or the brethren, who are empowered by the master, give or lend to other men beasts and arms or other things which were granted to the brethren temporarily for their use only, then the brethren to whom the things were granted, shall in no way object, so that there be no thought that they wish to keep as their own things which were granted only temporarily. Further we decree that no brother seek to have a weapon or animal as peculiarly his own. Should it happen that a brother was or is granted anything which is not fit for use, he shall humbly and decently inform the official who is in charge of that office about the deficiency and shall submit to his discretion to act and order the matter as he wills.


23. Of the chase.
The brethren shall not participate in the chase, as it is currently carried on with hallooing and hounds and hawking with lures. But if they have or acquire in the future in some regions thickly wooded lands from which they may gain great profit in game and skins, then they are allowed hunters whom, with others also, the brethren may accompany for defense and protection against evil men. However, they shall not go rushing over fields and through woods with arrows and other weapons on purpose after wild animals. Further we allow them to harry wolves, lynxes, bears and lions, without hounds, and to destroy them, not as a pastime but for the common good. Meanwhile, the brethren may also shoot birds to practice shooting and increase their skill.


24. How to care for the sick brethren.
Since the sick are entitled to special attention and care, we will that pains be taken to entrust the care of the sick brethren to those who are provident and devoted, who with diligence faithfully attend to their every need and convenience and follow fully the physician's advice, if a physician can be conveniently secured.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 07, 2009, 09:45:55 AM
25. Of the old and the infirm brethren.
The old brethren and the infirm shall be generously cared for according to their infirmity; they shall be treated with patience and diligently honored; one shall not in any way be rigorous as to the bodily needs of those who bear themselves honorably and piously.


26. How the brethren shall live in friendship and brotherhood.
All brethren shall behave to each other so that friendly concord in the name of brotherhood does not turn into hardness of heart, but they shall take pains to live with each other in brotherly love, harmoniously and amicably in the spirit of gentleness, so that one may justly say of them: how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity, that is harmoniously. Let each, as well as he can, bear one another's burdens, and in accord with the Apostle's advice be diligent in honoring one another. No evil speech--whispering, backbiting, boasting of deeds of old, lying, cursing or reviling, quarreling, or idle words shall issue from a brother's mouth. But, if any of the brethren at times mistreat each other by word or deed, let them not delay to seek reconciliation and not be slow, each one to heal with instant words the wounds in the other's heart, where he has been injured by word or deed; as likewise the Apostle bids us that the sun not go down on our wrath, that is, that it not last overnight, and as especially our Lord Jesus Christ bids us in the Gospel, where he says: "If thou bring thine offering before the altar and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee, leave there thy gift before the altar and go first to reconcile thyself with thy brother and
then come and offer thy gift.


27. How all the brethren shall come together in council.
The Master of this Order, or his deputies, shall call together all the brethren in residence whenever they wish to consider or decide about matters concerning the whole Order, whether to continue or to change and about the alienation of land or small pieces of real property, for which license must be secured from the Master and Chapter, and also about the reception of brethren into the Order; then, whatever the wiser part of the brethren shall decide after discussion, the Master or his deputies shall put into effect. Which is the wiser part in case of disagreement shall be left to the judgment of the master or his deputies; and, furthermore, piety, and discretion and knowledge and good repute shall have more weight than just a plurality of the brethren. Other smaller matters they may settle with the wisest brethren who are at hand. Some small matters they may decide themselves. Should it happen that some urgent business concerning the house and the Order has to be discussed after Compline rather than at another time it may be done, so long as idle words and words moving to laughter be avoided. Those present at this council shall likewise recite a Pater Noster and an Ave Maria before they go to sleep.


28.
How the brethren shall set people a good example.
Whenever the brethren are travelling or going against the enemy or on other business, since they display outwardly by the Cross the sign of meekness and of the Order, they shall strive to show people, by examples of good deeds and useful words, that God is with and within them. If they are on the road at night, they may, after Compline or before Prime, speak of necessary and honest matters, but not in the hospice after Compline has been said, except as prescribed above. They shall avoid inns and places they know are of bad repute; also, in their lodging there shall be in the room where they sleep a light by night, if they can arrange it without great difficulty, so that no harm may come to their good reputation or to their effects. While on the road travelling from place to place, they may attend divine service and prayers wherever they are, and on their return to the house they may, because of weariness from arms or the road, be excused in the morning from Matins and from the Hours; not only those wearied from a journey, but also those who are engaged in necessary business of the house may be excused. Weddings and gatherings of knights and other assemblages, and frivolous amusements, by which through worldly pride the devil is served, the brethren shall rarely attend, though they may attend for the affairs of the Order or to win souls. The brethren shall avoid talking in suspect places and at suspect times with women and, above all, with maidens, and kissing women, which is an open indication of unchastity and worldly love, so that it is forbidden likewise to kiss even their own mothers and sisters. No brother shall have dealings with excommunicated people, or those who are publicly put under the ban, in matters not specially permitted. Likewise, no brother shall become a godfather, except in mortal emergency.


29.
Of the probation of those who wish to enter this Order.
He who wishes to be received into this honorable brotherhood shall be given a suitable period of probation, so that he may learn the hardships to be undergone in this Order, and the brethren may find out his character, unless he wishes to be excused the period of probation, and his sponsor agrees, in which case he may then make profession of complete obedience. Then the superior, if he is present, or a priest, shall give him the mantle with the Cross, which is blessed with the usual blessing and asperged with holy water, for he receives the habit of this order with the Cross, and otherwise no other garment distinguishes the novice from the professed.


30.
How children shall be received into the Order.
We will likewise that no child be given the habit or received into this order before he has reached his fourteenth year. But should it happen that fathers or mothers or guardians bring a child to this order before his fourteenth year, or the child come of his own accord, he, if the brethren wish to receive him, shall be well brought up until the prescribed age, and then, if he and the brethren consent, he may be received into the order in the customary manner.


31. How women shall be received into the service of the house.
Furthermore we decree that no women shall be admitted in full service and fellowship to this Order, for it often happens that manly courage is most harmfully softened by familiarity with women. And yet, since there are some services for the sick in the hospitals and also for the livestock which are better performed by women than by men, therefore, it is permitted to receive women as sister aids for such services. However, they shall be received only with the permission of the provincial commander, and, after they are received, they shall be housed apart from the quarters of the brethren, for the chastity of professed brethren, who dwell with women, although a light is kept on, still is not safe, and also may not last long without scandal.


32. How to receive those who are married as domestics of the house.
Since this Order may have need of more people, we permit the reception, as domestics, into this Order, of lay people, married or single, who submit their bodies and property to the direction of the brethren; furthermore, their life, as is seemly, shall be honest, and they shall not only avoid manifest sin, but also shall not pursue illicit profit and trade. They shall wear garments of a religious hue, but not with the full cross. And if they are married and one dies, half of the estate of the deceased falls to the Order, but the other half to the survivor until his death; and after his death the entire estate falls to the use of the Order. In addition, whatever they acquire after reception into the Order shall all fall to the house. It is also decreed that, at the will and discretion of the provincial commander, some persons may be received on other terms, if he deems it useful.


33. How to receive those who serve for charity or for wages.
If anyone wishes to serve the brethren for charity or for wages, since it is difficult to make a special rule how each shall be received, we decree that it be left to the discretion of the official in charge of receiving applicants at the particular time and place; and further that no brother beat any servant, who serves the house for charity or for wages, except the office holders, who, in order to correct their subordinates, may chastise them from time to time, as is customary. Whenever it happens that a knight or a man worthy of knighthood joins the brethren to serve in arms for charity and then dies, each brother present shall recite thirty Pater Nosters for his soul, and give to the poor for seven days such food as it is customary to give to one brother.


34.
Of the Master's care for the brethren.
In the ark were placed both the rod and the manna, which signify to us that for judges there should be both: the one mildly calling for mercy and the other justly calling for severity. Therefore, the master who is over all the others and shall, himself, give to all the brethren an example of good works, shall both reprove the turbulent and receive the sick, and shall comfort the downhearted and be gentle and patient to all, and shall carry in his hand the rod and the staff, according to the words of the prophet, the rod of watchfulness, with which, keeping nightly watch over his flock, he graciously frees the slothful from the deadly sleep of sloth and of neglect of the sacred observances, diligently and justly, chastises all disobedience; the staff shall be the fatherly care and compassion with which he shall support frailty and strengthen those who are faint of heart and broken by sorrow so that they, uncomforted, are not destroyed by despair.


35. How they shall admonish and accuse each other.
Should it happen that a brother becomes aware of another brother's secret sins, he shall gently and in truly brotherly fashion persuade him to repent and confess his misdeed. But if he has done anything openly against the welfare of his own soul or the honor of the house that should not be ignored, let him be admonished to appear before the master and the brethren and humbly ask for forgiveness. But also, if it happens that he does not comply and is convicted with more witnesses before the master and the brethren, then it is just that he suffer so much the harsher penance.


36.
How the brethren shall make amends for their misdeeds.
If a brother by word or deed or otherwise commits a trifling offense, he may disclose it to his superior under whom he shall make voluntary amends. For a petty offense, a small penance shall be set, unless he repeat so often the petty offense that it is just to increase and extend the penance. Should it happen that an offense, which he wishes to conceal, is discovered by someone else, he shall justly be more heavily penalized. If the offense is great, he shall be separated from the society of the brethren and shall not eat with them at their table, but shall sit apart. He shall be wholly submissive to the will and the orders of the master and the brethren, so that he also may be saved at the last Day.


37.
Of the heedful discretion of the master.
The master has the power to dispense with all the above regulations laid down in the Rule, except for three--chastity, living without property, and obedience--and, with due regard to the time, the place, the person and the needs of the case, to give dispensations, but yet in such a way that in all instances he act to the honor of God with due regard to piety and practical considerations.

Here ends the Rule



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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 07, 2009, 10:59:34 AM
Somebody's been busy. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 09, 2009, 08:32:50 AM
Can't take the credit as I have some extremely knowledgeable friends  ;)


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/teutonic.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 09, 2009, 12:43:06 PM
I know this is off task......wanted to share some shots of the boys getting to know their spring garb....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2039.jpg)

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2041.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 09, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Crocs and kilts.......lol! ;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 09, 2009, 12:56:52 PM
am open to suggestions but I'm not willing to invest in footwear.  They already are in XX Wide and growing a shoe size every 6 months.  If I thought it would be safe I'd let them go barefoot at the faire...

The kilts have an adjustable velcro waist...and are obviously too long...but a shirt and sword will round things out  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on March 09, 2009, 01:27:54 PM
The young masters will cut a fine figure at Faire. But lose the Crocs. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 09, 2009, 01:39:35 PM
A Norman leg wrapping with some "Jerusalem Cruisers" would be interesting....... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 09, 2009, 01:58:08 PM
Do you have a visual to go with that.....I tried to find one...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 11, 2009, 07:53:08 PM
Some of my newest fashion accessories:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/11Mar09001.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on March 12, 2009, 08:06:17 AM
nice accessories bet you can't wait to wear them  ;D

I got a new dagger see new toy in arms and armor forum
;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 12, 2009, 08:15:03 AM
Very nice indeed. I defientley would have to find a place on the fortress wall to hang that shield when not in use.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 12, 2009, 08:19:28 AM
It's scheduled to get a new paint job!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 12, 2009, 12:28:52 PM
A splash of evil with alot of purity, and perhaps a little red to represent the blood of thee anointed one??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 12, 2009, 01:03:31 PM
Oh....absolutely! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 12, 2009, 01:52:41 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on March 12, 2009, 12:28:52 PM
A splash of evil with alot of purity, and perhaps a little red to represent the blood of thee anointed one??

How lovely for you!  ;) :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 12, 2009, 02:56:44 PM
Absolutely! It will be transformed from a work of art into a masterpiece....Deus Vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 12, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on March 12, 2009, 02:56:44 PM
Absolutely! It will be transformed from a work of art into a masterpiece....Deus Vult!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Untitled-6.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 12, 2009, 03:30:13 PM
Beautious! Yet horrific in the eyes of the enemy!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 13, 2009, 08:11:35 AM
Was experimenting, and this happened...... :P

http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/?action=view&current=TEMPLARSTRONG.flv
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 13, 2009, 08:44:11 AM
A very strong presentation!    ;D :D

A new medium for you?  Well done.

**Sister Hatchet has a strong desire to go do pushups or something**

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 13, 2009, 09:04:29 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on March 13, 2009, 08:44:11 AM
A very strong presentation!    ;D :D

A new medium for you?  Well done.

**Sister Hatchet has a strong desire to go do pushups or something**



Thank you.

Not new, I've done movies of my daughter to her favorite movie tunes before. I just wanted to use my old family's tune.

Yes....yes you do. Penance is always good. :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 13, 2009, 11:01:19 AM
Visually enlightening and truly inspirational! Templar Strong was the best two minutes and forty one seconds I spent today!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 13, 2009, 11:09:58 AM
Warrior Monk....my desire for physical activity stems from the surge of testosterone as a result of watching your new movie, not the need for penance   :P




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 13, 2009, 12:40:54 PM
Either way, a "win-win" situation.... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 13, 2009, 12:41:36 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on March 13, 2009, 11:01:19 AM
Visually enlightening and truly inspirational! Templar Strong was the best two minutes and forty one seconds I spent today!

Here at the Infantry school it has gone over quite well too.  Thanks. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 13, 2009, 12:55:58 PM
You've always seemed to have a special God-given talent for coercion conversion   ;) :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 13, 2009, 12:59:05 PM
 ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 17, 2009, 11:16:38 AM
"Nobly Born" arrived. Frere William, you may want to include it in your library, if you have not done so already.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 17, 2009, 11:37:22 AM
I realize it's a day early, but this will allow people to prepare for tomorrow's history as they deem appropriate. :P

Medieval History FYI:

March 18th (isn't it kind of funny that we just went through a Friday the 13th as well? Even though it wasn't October... ;) )

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/super05-1.jpg)

In the two centuries of their known existence the Knights Templar served under twenty-three Grand Masters. It is Jacques DeMolay the twenty-third and last Grand Master however, whom most know best, short of Hughes de Payns, founder of the most feared Christian Military Order of the Crusades.
   
Little is known of Jacques DeMolay's childhood, except that he was born in the year 1244 in an area called Vitrey, France. but what is known is that in 1265 at the age of twenty-one, he joined the Knights Templar. The Templars were an organization sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church in 1128 to guard the road between Jerusalem and Acre, an important port city on the Mediterranean Sea. The Order of Knights Templar participated in the Crusades and earned a name for valor and heroism.
     
Like many that sought out the Order of the Temple, Jacques DeMolay joined seeking the thrill of battle with the infidel.
In his later years he reflected on how he and his fellow knights silently grumbled about then Grand Master William of Beaujeu and his soft attitude towards the Mamlukes, who at that time occupied the Holy Land. It seemed that the young Templars were not found of King Edward's truce with the enemy, for it did little to add infidel blood to the Templar's swords.
     
Jacques DeMolay rose through the ranks quickly and spent a great deal of time in Britain. He was first appointed the position of Visitor General and latterly to the post of Grand Preceptor of all England.
   
On the death of the 22nd Grand Master, Theobald Gaudin, Jacques DeMolay was named Grand Master of the Knights Templar, a position of power and prestige. As Grand Master however, Jacques DeMolay was also in a difficult position. The Crusades were not achieving their goals. The non-Christian Saracens defeated the Crusaders in battle and captured many vital cities and posts. The Knights Templar and the Hospitalers (another Military Order of the Church and the oldest of all Military Orders) were the only groups remaining to confront the Saracens. Almost immediately Jacques DeMolay moved from England to the island of Cyprus, so that the Knights Templar could reorganize and regain their strength while waiting for the general public to rise up in support of another Crusade. It would be on the island of Cyprus that Jacques DeMolay would remain until Philip IV and Clement V summoned him to France in the autumn of 1307.

Instead of public support, however, the Knights attracted the attention of powerful lords, who were interested in obtaining their wealth and power.
     
In 1305, Philip the Fair, King of France (once rejected for admission into the Knights Templar), set about to obtain control of the Knights Templars. They had been accountable only to the Church. To prevent a rise in the power of the Church, and to increase his own wealth, Philip set out to take over the Knights. The year 1307 saw the beginning of the persecution of the Knights. Jacques DeMolay, along with hundreds of others, were seized and thrown into dungeons. For seven years, Jacques DeMolay and the Knights suffered torture and inhuman conditions. The inquisitors would go to any means to extract the confessions that would damn the order in the eyes of the people and the Catholic Church While the Knights did not end, Philip managed to force Pope Clement to disolve the Templars. Their wealth and property were confiscated and given to Philip's supporters.
   
During years of torture, Jacques DeMolay continued to be loyal to his friends and Knights. He refused to disclose the location of the funds of the Order and he refused to betray his comrades. On March 18, 1314, the roughly 70 year old DeMolay was tried by a special court. As evidence, the court depended on a forged confession, allegedly signed by Jacques DeMolay. He disavowed the forged confession. Under the laws of the time, the disavowal of a confession was punishable by death. Another Knight, Guy of Auvergne, likewise disavowed his confession and stood with Jacques DeMolay.

King Philip ordered them both to be burned at the stake that day, Jacques DeMolay was then taken to an island on the Siene and burned along with Guy of Auvergne the Preceptor of Normandy. There are many accounts of Jacques DeMolay's dying words, but the one of the foremost Templar scholars records them as follows:
     
"It is just that, in so terrible a day, and in the last moments of my life, I should discover all the iniquity of falsehood, and make the truth triumph. I declare, then, in the face of heaven and earth, and acknowledge, though to my eternal shame, that I have committed the greatest crimes but it has been the acknowledging of those which have been so foully charged on the order. I attest - and truth obliges me to attest - that it is innocent! I made the contrary declaration only to suspend the excessive pains of torture, and to mollify those who made me endure them. I know the punishments which have been inflicted on all the knights who had the courage to revoke a similar confession; but the dreadful spectacle which is presented to me is not able to make me confirm one lie by another. The life offered me on such infamous terms I abandon without regret."
     
Reports say they were slowly roasted over a hot, smokeless fire prolonging their agony as their flesh slowly cooked and blackened. Jacques DeMolay insisted that his hands were not to be bound so that he could pray in his final moments and before he died he cursed both Philip and Pope Clement, summoning both of them to appear before God, the supreme judge, before the year was out. His last words were, "Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us - God will avenge us." Guy of Advernge is reported to have added, "I shall follow the way of my master as a martyr you have killed him. You have done and know not. God willing, on this day, I shall die in the Order like him."
   
The chilling irony of the conclusion of this story is that Jacques DeMolay's final words did, in fact, come true. Pope Clement V died only a month later on April 20th (he is suspected of having cancer of the bowel) and Philip IV was killed while on a hunting trip on November 29th 1314. True to the claim both men did indeed die within the year of Jacques DeMolay's own death.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/JaquesDeMolayBurned.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 17, 2009, 01:45:08 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 17, 2009, 11:16:38 AM
"Nobly Born" arrived. Frere William, you may want to include it in your library, if you have not done so already.

This is a good one indeed
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 17, 2009, 01:59:57 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 17, 2009, 11:37:22 AM

Medieval History FYI:

March 18th (isn't it kind of funny that we just went through a Friday the 13th as well? Even though it wasn't October... ;) )

Kinda strange...  I was thinking the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 18, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
Warrior Monk.....The date of March 18th holds many meanings for you indeed.....both of sorrow and joy.   :'( ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 18, 2009, 02:15:10 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on March 18, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
Warrior Monk.....The date of March 18th holds many meanings for you indeed.....both of sorrow and joy.   :'( ;D

Why yes, yes it does........ followed by an anniversary in 4 days.. :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 18, 2009, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 17, 2009, 11:37:22 AM
to prepare for tomorrow's history as they deem appropriate.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/2009_0109Image0002.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 18, 2009, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on March 18, 2009, 02:26:36 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/2009_0109Image0002.jpg)

http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/?action=view&current=TEMPLARSTRONG.flv

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/031309.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/031609.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/templar-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 18, 2009, 02:50:16 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 18, 2009, 02:15:10 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on March 18, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
Warrior Monk.....The date of March 18th holds many meanings for you indeed.....both of sorrow and joy.   :'( ;D

Why yes, yes it does........ followed by an anniversary in 4 days.. :P

I trust you're on your game for this one.....otherwise, well, there will be a slow roasting for you too!  :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 18, 2009, 05:18:17 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on March 18, 2009, 02:50:16 PM
I trust you're on your game for this one.....otherwise, well, there will be a slow roasting for you too!  :P ;D

Oh for sure. Remember I'm the lucky one of this duet. Every item on the wish list was provided, except maybe a more worthy life partner for her.
I know where I stand, and would run afoul of some Godless heathen no doubt, were I to take for granted my life partner. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 18, 2009, 05:23:20 PM
A wise response Warrior Monk. 

As always, your conduct is exemplary.   :)  Enjoy the celebration! 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 18, 2009, 05:37:21 PM
There weren't a whole lot of flourishes accompanying today's event. The Princess already knew what type of cake the Lady Lefay wanted, by picking out one that had the most items on it that she (the Princess) wanted to consume. ;) :P ;D
The Lady sadly had to depart out of town after a short celebratory time, to do what she does best. She will return on the morrow though. I did manage to capture one shot of the brief event. I'll send PM later. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on March 19, 2009, 09:02:20 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 18, 2009, 05:18:17 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on March 18, 2009, 02:50:16 PM
I trust you're on your game for this one.....otherwise, well, there will be a slow roasting for you too!  :P ;D

Oh for sure. Remember I'm the lucky one of this duet. Every item on the wish list was provided, except maybe a more worthy life partner for her.
I know where I stand, and would run afoul of some Godless heathen no doubt, were I to take for granted my life partner. ;)

didn't think warrior monks did Luck
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 19, 2009, 10:04:13 AM
I started work on the kite shield last night. Drilling composite wood can be interesting to say the least. Four new bolts installed for straps. Must get leather for straps now. Hope to paint this weekend. Pictures of the "evolution" are being taken at each milestone.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 19, 2009, 10:22:52 AM
We here anticipate its completion.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 19, 2009, 12:30:48 PM
Warrior Monk...if you are in need of any consultation, M'Lord is a wood craftsman with expertise in composties.   :)  Really.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 19, 2009, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on March 19, 2009, 12:30:48 PM
Warrior Monk...if you are in need of any consultation, M'Lord is a wood craftsman with expertise in composties.   :)  Really.

I thank you. I shall have him look over my divinely inspired, brutishly applied craftsmanship at GARF if he is of an amenable mind...
;D


-continuation of this post:

The Tale of the Shield:

How to turn a Crusader's Kite Shield into the fearsome representation of the Armor of God for a Warrior Monk!

First, what the shield looked like when it arrived:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/001.jpg)

The measly straps provided with small Phillips screw anchors:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/002.jpg)

See what they're supposed to support:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/003.jpg)

The plan-5/8" bolts and locations (with a little motivation to keep working):
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/004.jpg)

Exterior with bolts put in:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/005.jpg)

Operator's side with initial anchor test:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/006.jpg)

New straps in place:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/007.jpg)

Starting the visual transformation:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/008.jpg)

Size comparison: Princess vs Kite Shield:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/009.jpg)

Size comparison Pt II: Princess vs Kite Shield or "Daddy...can I have this when you're done?" :
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/011.jpg)

Installment of "evil/wickedness":
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/012.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 22, 2009, 03:27:58 PM
Applying "Purity" by the 2/3 to 1/3 Rule!
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/013.jpg)

Followed by the application of a "simple-in keeping with the theme of the Order's Rule" pattern of the "blood of thee anointed One"
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/014-1.jpg)


Soon to be followed by a clear coat, and some "In use" photos......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 23, 2009, 06:37:20 AM
Great work Warrior Monk!  :)  Glad you posted all the pictures because I wasn't sure where you were going with your "evil/wickedness"

So, you modified the shield to be more historically accurate?  Do you plan on carrying it at faire?  It must be quite heavy if it's particle board! 

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 23, 2009, 07:49:51 AM
I wanted to make it more visually pleasing to the eye. ;)
It's actually lighter than my heater shield that's made of real wood. :o
I plan on it being at the faire, but most likely it will be born by an associate Brother, or Templar Sergeant, as I will bear the Beausant heater. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 23, 2009, 08:34:37 AM
Excellent! Beautifully done brother. Our beloved Marshall will be most pleased to have our brethren brandish such a shield on the field of battle.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on March 23, 2009, 10:06:13 AM
good job warrior
and the answer to can i have it when your done
was when your older
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 23, 2009, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on March 23, 2009, 10:06:13 AM
the answer to "can i have it when your done ?"
was "when your older..."

I regret to say it, but my Princess was actually the role model for Lucy Lawless' Xena Warrior Princess. :P
If and when she can carry it, she gets it!
She already has her own Norman helm. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on March 23, 2009, 12:18:04 PM
should be interesting in a few years from now when the princess is borrowing all warrior monks acessories
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 23, 2009, 01:33:25 PM
I can almost guarantee that Princess Brynn won't have to borrow anything  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 23, 2009, 02:40:08 PM
Yes, some know me....or her better than others..... ;) ;D


New book alert!

Islam's War Against the Crusaders by W. B. Bartlett.
You might like to know that Islam's War Against the Crusaders will be released on May 1, 2009.

Product Description
The Crusades continue to exert a fascination as a story of perceived gallantry and battles against impossible odds. Yet what is less often considered is their effect on the Holy Land, and in particular the response of the Muslim world to the invasions of west European Crusaders (I THOUGHT THEY INVADED THE HOLY LAND FIRST, THUS THE ARMED RESPONSE...). By a previously divided Islamic world, they gave an unstoppable impetus towards the declaring of jihad against the West, a holy war against Christendom. They also helped to shape the careers of some important figures, most notably Saladin but also other great men like Sultan Baibars and Nur al-Din. The rise of these great leaders (REALLY?) is traced in this book, as are the many great battles that were fought by men just as devoted to their cause as the Crusaders were (REALLY...AGAIN?).
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 23, 2009, 06:23:37 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 23, 2009, 07:49:51 AM
I plan on it being at the faire, but most likely it will be born by an associate Brother, or Templar Sergeant,

Why am I not surprised that you have henchmen?   ;D : ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 23, 2009, 08:14:47 PM
Henchmen......no.  :P Devoted Warrior Acolytes, yes. ;D

They'll look something like..........


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/22Mar09003.jpg)
Photo provided by Lady LeFay

hench?man? Show Spelled Pronunciation [hench-muhn]  Show –noun, plural -men.

1. an unscrupulous and ruthless subordinate, esp. a criminal: The leader of the gang went everywhere accompanied by his henchmen. 
2. an unscrupulous supporter or adherent of a political figure or cause, esp. one motivated by the hope of personal gain: Hitler and his henchmen.  
3. a trusted attendant, supporter, or follower.
4. Obsolete. a squire or page.

ac?o?lyte? Show Spelled Pronunciation [ak-uh-lahyt]  Show–noun

1. an altar attendant in public worship.
2. Roman Catholic Church.
    a. a member of the highest-ranking of the four minor orders.
3. any attendant, assistant, or follower.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 24, 2009, 11:35:46 AM
In addition to communicating with the local Saracen Atabegs, all Franks (Christians from Europe) in the Outremer were required to give the Seljuq officials a 24 hour 'heads up' if they will be transiting Saracen territory.
   
This was a common procedure for Christian pilgrims and local leaders and involves giving them your identity, religious affiliation, type caravan, and points of origin and destination.
   
I have constructed this exchange (Deus Vult) for the archives of Islamic Crusades history: "From Europe to the Holy Land". 

The exchange goes like this...
   
   Saracen Atabeg: 'Unknown caravan you are in Saracen territory. Identify yourself.'
   
   Frankish pilgrim: 'This is a Christian caravan. I am in Frankish territory.'
   
   Saracen Atabeg: 'You are in Saracen territory. If you do not depart our lands we will launch jihad with our Saracen Faris!'
   
   Frankish pilgrim: 'This is a Brother of the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon. Send 'em out, I'll wait!'
   
   Saracen Atabeg: (no response ... total silence)  :P

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn127/alanpaterson1972/soldier.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 25, 2009, 01:15:15 PM
You say acolytes, I say henchmen.......


Excellent new picture Warrior Monk.....um, where exactly are you carrying the war hammer and the trebuchet?   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 25, 2009, 02:09:31 PM
My "mits" are my War Hammers, and I'm carrying a "pocket trebuchet"..........lol!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 25, 2009, 02:36:25 PM
Let the record reflect extreme restraint against inappropriate comment... ::) :P ;D

(I know a set-up when I see one!)

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 25, 2009, 02:09:31 PM
and I'm carrying a "pocket trebuchet"..........lol!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 25, 2009, 02:42:16 PM
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z131/corpralhicks/Trebuchet.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 25, 2009, 04:20:57 PM
Nevertheless....I am compelled to say....

"is that a trebuchet in your pocket, or....."
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 25, 2009, 06:54:36 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 25, 2009, 08:56:11 PM
Stumbled upon this tonight:

http://getmedieval.wordpress.com/category/introduction/


Brother Mikael, where are you at? ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 26, 2009, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on March 25, 2009, 02:42:16 PM
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z131/corpralhicks/Trebuchet.jpg)

Did you assemble that desk top Trebuchet with what appears to be vintage Bic Banana supports?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 26, 2009, 10:30:59 AM
I must admit, that I can not take credit for this desk top equalizer. I found it as a defence to another's response.... :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 26, 2009, 01:49:57 PM
What???  :o  A Warrior Monk defending himself with rubber bands?  Silly, silly man.   :P


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 26, 2009, 03:35:16 PM
Rubberbands? Why of course lady Warrior.  In todays world one must improvise, adapt and overcome to destroy ones enemies with what is readily available at his disposal.   It is Gods will ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 26, 2009, 04:01:50 PM
As usual Brother William, you have an excellent point.   :D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 28, 2009, 11:16:18 AM
History International channel had a show called: Investigating History;The Holy Grail on this morning. It should have been called the Knights Templar.
It had Malcolm Barber on it, along with an interview with Barbara Frale.

It was deliberately vague at points, but then cam back to cover the details later in the show.

An interesting hour to say the least. They had some reenactors on there as well, that had some remarkable combinations of armor: flip up face plate on great helm- can be ordered from most medieval stores, and layered spaulder shoulder armor.

From 1 to 10 on enjoyment scales, I'd rate the show a 6.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 29, 2009, 09:31:49 AM

(http://i39.tinypic.com/24y4u3d.jpg)

Wednesday, April 1, 2009
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8-10pm -- Secrets of the Koran -
The Koran--one of the most influential religious books of all time. Muslims worldwide believe the Koran is God's guidance, a sourcebook to help believers follow the right path. But much of the non-Muslim world sees the Koran as a text shrouded in mystery...and controversy. We'll attempt to demystify and explain the text: where it came from, what it says, and what it means. Like any holy scripture, the Koran can't be separated from its historical context. We'llexamine the history of the verses and also their implications for modern times, as well asthe striking similarities and differences between the Koran and the Bible--and the ways in which Muslims believe the Koran corrects some of the Jewish and Christian scriptures. The program will get at the heart of one of the world's holiest books, capturing its majesty and mystery and illuminating for the audience the very foundation of Islam.

10-12am -- Beyond The Da Vinci Code -

Is it the greatest story ever told--or the greatest story ever sold? A best-selling novel sparks a debate that could changeChristianity forever. Were Jesus and Mary Magdalenemarriedand co-leaders of their movement? Was Mary Magdalene, herself,the Holy Grail--the vesselsaid to hold Jesus's blood--and mother of his descendants? Didthe early Church knowthis "truth" and deliberately misleadfollowers? Istherea secret, ancientsociety, the Priory of Sion, which still protects this bloodline? Have some of the most illustrious names in art and science been members?These are some of the questions that Dan Brown's best-selling novelThe Da Vinci Code raises. We examine both sides of the story--the conventional view of Christianity and the "alternate history" proposed by Brown--so thatviewers can decide.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 29, 2009, 08:35:22 PM
Had a blessed faire day....the young squires did wonderfully!  :)

This was NCRF's new location.  It was lovely.

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/_SCS5125.jpg)

Also purchased a back baldric for my falchion that matches the rest of my leather armor.  That will have to wait till next weekend.   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 30, 2009, 07:59:38 AM
If William Wallace had had those lads with him, for sure Edward "Longshanks" would have called it a day in Scotland!


We look forward to the new pictures.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 30, 2009, 09:20:31 AM
A good looking clan indeed lady Warrior

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2hxy9h5.jpg)


(http://i39.tinypic.com/335fh4k.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 30, 2009, 09:55:29 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on March 29, 2009, 08:35:22 PM
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/_SCS5125.jpg)

Where did your Lord acquire his gloves? Does he shine them up before attending or are they always like that?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on March 30, 2009, 12:41:45 PM
Are you referring to the natural glow M'Lord emanates when in my presence?   ;D :P  Suppose not......

The gloves match his doublet and pants, all from Pterodactyl Leather (from GARF & CRF over the course of a few years  :))

...and unless he snuck out of the house to do some last minute preening in his shop, he did not oil the gloves. The sun did shine favorably.....


**Love the image magik Brother William!  Gramercy!**
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 30, 2009, 03:11:13 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on March 30, 2009, 12:41:45 PM
The sun did shine favorably.....

Yes, yes, that must be it. They do look quite smart though. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 30, 2009, 06:51:40 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on March 30, 2009, 12:41:45 PM
**Love the image magik Brother William!  **

Had a few moments this morning and couldn't resist
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 01, 2009, 01:46:26 PM
For those that have a moment:

http://www.history.com/warriors-game
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 01, 2009, 02:46:43 PM
Guess we know what you're doing on Thursday nights Warrior Monk..... and do you approve of the host?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 01, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
Although we've never personally met, we've gotten our boots dirty in several places at the same time. He's a hoot, and it's a good show. ;D

Tomorrow's show is on Agincourt!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 01, 2009, 02:57:29 PM
The show also has a good FB page if anyone is interested (says the Sister who has taken a vow of poverty and has no cable TV)

http://www.facebook.com/warriors

The Brothers will also be happy to know that tomorrow night's show opens with the most intense fight scene shot this season.  Enjoy!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 01, 2009, 08:47:52 PM
Just watched History International's Decoding the Past on the Koran and Islam. >:( Can't say I enjoyed the show, since they played the Christians as warmongers as compared to the followers of Islam. They left out key examples of mutual atrocities in favor of only showing the Franks as blood thirsty. Their description of the capture of Jerusalem in 1187 was completely contradictory to anything I have in my library.

The highlight was the fact that Sir Clisto made his appearance in Hollywood as Richard the Lionheart! ;D
I was astonished at the very lack of any Military Order Warrior Monks to accompany him. Just the likes of several secular warriors.
I must say I frown upon the director's licence of both Saladin and Richard meeting. Although they shared exchanges, they never met personally, which I fear some will assume through this "documentary".
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 02, 2009, 01:49:30 AM
Thank you Warrior Monk  :). At least I got to play the King. It was a good time doing it. And I agree about much of it in that lite you mentioned. The meeting of Saladin and Richard was for effect on the screen. Historically, Richard only really got to within about 16 miles of the city and they never met. They sent conscripts back and forth with terms. Personally I didnt like that meeting part either, and, to be honest, I voiced it to them on set. But they wanted it for the side by side show of the two powers. And, it did give me a few more seconds on screen with much of my own garb on except for the surcoat. LOL.... I also thought they were going to mention the fact  in the naration that they never really met but they didn't. I was also taken aback by them not having any of the warrior monks along, since that would have in reality been his bulk of main army. But, it was a matter of cost and Ken Shelton and his troup work with their jousting garb mostly and do a great job. They also wanted to show Richards few main men ie: first knights etc. Please don't be too hard on them. I already was on them on set with many historical differences.

The one thing major I want to point out on their behalf, is the fact that the show was mainly to depict the Holy book and nothing more. Everything else in between was to be kept at a minimum so the book and Muslim religion were the focus. They only had a handful of people to multitask some different roles using the camera angles to make it more. Heck, I even played one of the fighting knights earlier in the show where my face was not seen well as well as the night scene with the torches. I do have to say that all the calls and comments and letters that came in from the Muslim community were on the good side how it was spelled out. I give them that much.

Lord Sir Clisto of York
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 02, 2009, 07:19:42 AM
Quote from: sir clisto on April 02, 2009, 01:49:30 AM
1. Historically, Richard only really got to within about 16 miles of the city and they never met.

2. The one thing major I want to point out on their behalf, is the fact that the show was mainly to depict the Holy book and nothing more. Everything else in between was to be kept at a minimum so the book and Muslim religion were the focus. I do have to say that all the calls and comments and letters that came in from the Muslim community were on the good side how it was spelled out. I give them that much.


1. He actually made two attempts to gain the city, but on both occasions he was counseled by more "in theater" experienced people (the Military Orders) to refrain from the actual attempt. They realized that upon its successful liberation, which was only a matter of time (God is on the side of the righteous!  ;D ;) ) that the bulk of Richard's forces would depart back for Europe, leaving the newly freed city defenseless against the infidel's superior numbers, after all, they were in Saladin's backyard and not in Europe. :-[

2. I should think so! :o They portrayed the Christians as unforgiving, blood thirsty, barbarians when it came to the capture of the Holy City in 1099, and turned around and might as well put Saladin in for sainthood with his actions as they portrayed him after his seizing of Jerusalem. Although Christians and Europeans gave Saladin an air of chivalry, and went so far in one story as to say his mother was a captured Christian woman, and that he was knighted. He was actually just as ruthless as his western counterparts. Ask the 300 plus Warrior Monks of the Hospital and Temple that were beheaded after the Battle of Hattin, after being offered a choice of conversion or death. The results speak volumes.
The inhabitants of Jerusalem had to pay a ransom to be released from the city, and many were sold into slavery. Not so pretty as the HI program would lead folks to believe.


Bottom line: Sir Clisto did a fine job, presenting a regal and warrior like appearance!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 02, 2009, 12:49:16 PM
Exactly on all points. Again, for them to have portrayed all of what we know as correct on screen, would have been a longer show. LOL... All of which I wouldn't have minded in a mini series done right. And yes, Saladin was just as bad and blood thirsty. Hell it was WAR.... What their point was, was to show that the Koran was not the all "Kill Everyone and everything that moves " book and that he took it as only when had to be at that time. Not like the certain idiots read it today for their own purposes and say it means destroy all not like them.  Even Kingdom of Heaven did the opposite in showing Gods Warriors as killing machines too. Hollywood sure can put their spin on everything. They should let us direct one.

Lord Sir Clisto of York

PS - And thanks again.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 02, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
Quote from: sir clisto on April 02, 2009, 12:49:16 PM
Exactly on all points. Again, for them to have portrayed all of what we know as correct on screen, would have been a longer show. LOL... All of which I wouldn't have minded in a mini series done right.
You say that like it's a bad thing....lol! :P There was a BBC show called Heroes & Villains with one done on Richard I. It was quite good. ;D

Quote from: sir clisto on April 02, 2009, 12:49:16 PM
........ showing Gods Warriors as killing machines too.
Yes, yes we are! >:( ;D

Quote from: sir clisto on April 02, 2009, 12:49:16 PM
They should let us direct one.
You have my support and sword should you ever find an opportunity to do one. I think it would be a hit, even when it's done historically accurate, which producers seem to shy away from. ;) :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 02, 2009, 02:30:16 PM
It's an interesting discussion.

I think it's safe to say that throughout history, misguided men have horrifically translated just about every major holy text there is.....the Koran, the Bible, the Lotus Sutra....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 02, 2009, 03:24:43 PM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2vjojvc.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 02, 2009, 03:28:17 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 02, 2009, 02:30:16 PM
It's an interesting discussion.

I think it's safe to say that throughout history, misguided men have horrifically translated just about every major holy text there is.....

Enteresting employment of gender there, without clarification Sister Hatchet.

BTW:
Olga, a Russian princess and widow of Prince Igor I, revenged her husband's murder by executing hundreds. She was regent of Russia 945-964, known as a ruthless ruler. She turned to religion, traveling to Constantinopole to be baptized as a Christian somwhere around 957. She eventually converted her grandson Vladimir I to Christianity. As was custom, that meant that the subjects of his realm turned Christian as well. It was under her influence that the Russian Church was autonomous of the Byzantine Church. 


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 02, 2009, 06:17:36 PM
Sister Hatchet claps her hands in delight,

"Oooo, a new patron Saint for me.....and a brutal Rus Princess?  ;)  :P I've been wearing her brand of undergarmets for years.....who knew?"


(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/200px-St_Olga_by_Nesterov_in_1892.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 02, 2009, 07:29:44 PM
I see a new movie coming: Alexandra Nevsky  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 02, 2009, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 02, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
Quote from: sir clisto on April 02, 2009, 12:49:16 PM
Exactly on all points. Again, for them to have portrayed all of what we know as correct on screen, would have been a longer show. LOL... All of which I wouldn't have minded in a mini series done right.
You say that like it's a bad thing....lol! :P There was a BBC show called Heroes & Villains with one done on Richard I. It was quite good. ;D

Quote from: sir clisto on April 02, 2009, 12:49:16 PM
........ showing Gods Warriors as killing machines too.
Yes, yes we are! >:( ;D

Quote from: sir clisto on April 02, 2009, 12:49:16 PM
They should let us direct one.
You have my support and sword should you ever find an opportunity to do one. I think it would be a hit, even when it's done historically accurate, which producers seem to shy away from. ;) :)


Heroes and Villans I saw. it was a good show. I believe that one was them trying to see if Richard was really a hero or a greedy monster. A Steve something played him and I remember Andy Lucas playing Saladin I believe.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 03, 2009, 07:02:57 AM
Steve Waddington.

He played Wilfred of Ivanhoe in the BBC TV mini series.

The Templar Grand Master Torroja in the Swedish hit: Arn the Knight Templar.

And for out of theme, Duncan the British officer in Last of the Mohicans.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 03, 2009, 09:44:55 AM
Waddington also portrays King Richard in Robin Hood-episode 1, and as King Richard again in the double feature A Good Day to Die / We Are Robin Hood.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2aklnoz.jpg)

He's a King Richard playing madman!  ;) :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 05, 2009, 01:04:47 PM
Another gorgeous day in the Forest of Wake...

I'm afraid I didn't obtain a good image of my new back baldric but I did manage to capture a welcoming of the clergy to my shire....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_2138.jpg)

(oh, how I cannot resist a man of the cloth!  ;) :))
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on April 05, 2009, 05:18:42 PM
Excellent picture love the clergy outfit I play a monk in our local faire
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 05, 2009, 08:36:42 PM
It looks to me as if our "under-armored" Brother is taking confession, as Sister Hatchet whispers in his ear to prevent near by heretics from hearing anything that would represent weakness or indiscretion amongst the Sisterhood of Steel.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 06, 2009, 07:56:54 AM
Sister Hatchet,

I want to thank you for pointing out the Warriors' facebook page. Terry and I are now in regular contact.

It appears the Warrior Monk episode about the Knights of Malta was a producer's choice. Terry is a big fan of the Templars and had asked to do a show on them.

He loves the Warrior Monk shots Brother William. Networking a new connection.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 06, 2009, 09:42:01 AM
A couple more images from that Swedish film we know & love.

(http://i39.tinypic.com/sm7ct4.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2yvwjud.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 06, 2009, 10:51:51 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2yvwjud.jpg)


Oh yes, the "I could kill you now, if I wanted to stare" or "Hadji pleasssssse!" :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 06, 2009, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 05, 2009, 08:36:42 PM
It looks to me as if our "under-armored" Brother is taking confession, as Sister Hatchet whispers in his ear to prevent near by heretics from hearing anything that would represent weakness or indiscretion amongst the Sisterhood of Steel.

Nothing more than sweet nothings and a few venial sins......my "act" of contrition is always entertaining, if not perfect.  ;) :D  It starts something like this, "Oh God, I am heartily sorry for cavorting around faire today...as if I were a maiden of the Spring, seeking her warrior mate.......

QuoteI want to thank you for pointing out the Warriors' facebook page. Terry and I are now in regular contact.

You are most welcome.  Good to hear that my contribution pleases you Warrior Monk.  As you know, my Order is always looking to improve it's position within the Council ranks.  ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 06, 2009, 12:53:01 PM
You were upgraded to Sisters of Steel. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 06, 2009, 01:16:04 PM
Very well.  Many thanks your Eminence. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 06, 2009, 02:00:39 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 06, 2009, 01:16:04 PM
......your Eminence. 


Aw shucks.....*draws in dirt with foot*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 06, 2009, 09:10:32 PM
NATGEO TV had a show tonight called Secrets of the Knights Templar. Guest speakers included Barbara Frale, Sean Martin, and Alain Demurger. The reenactors were quite young, but the hair fit the Rule. The old guy portraying Jacques de Molay could have passed for the role in Hollywood.
The show did leave folks hanging until the near end of the show about certain charges labeled against the Order.  >:(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 07, 2009, 08:29:56 AM
Thank you brother as I was able to record it late last night, and already viewed it this morning.  I must say that I enjoyed it,  and "whats up Sean with all that hair brother, and and an earring too!"  ;)

Below: a few image from Secrets of the Knights Templar

(http://i39.tinypic.com/4j6x4z.jpg)


(http://i43.tinypic.com/25h27ut.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 07, 2009, 08:49:43 AM
I can post a link to the show if anyone needs it. Otherwise it's on the Templar History forums where I posted last night. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on April 07, 2009, 05:54:33 PM
hey everyone , is anyone planning on going to the opening weekend of the Georgia festival??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 07, 2009, 07:16:13 PM
Yes, little Brother, I will be there, with a few Confrere Brothers in attendance.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 07, 2009, 08:07:35 PM
...and Sisters, or are you trying to forget...   ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 07, 2009, 08:13:35 PM
Not at all....the sheer magnitude of Pagan numbers, just about guarantees that GARF will be "Ground Zero" for a lightning storm of the Almighty's making, that man has never witnessed before... :P ;D ;)

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c134/GenshiNasabi/InHoc.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 07, 2009, 08:37:48 PM
Greetings Brothers!

I am but a humble man, looking to finish, rather than begin, his path to Crusader-dom.  I have been speaking some with Sir William, and have taken up his advice and posted here.

This is a project I began well over a year ago, and then never followed up on.  I hope to have something completed this year.  I have the surcoat, riding cape, maille and even a nasal helm (as you can see in my pic!).  However, I am at a loss as to what to wear underneath all this!  Shirt, pants, boots...? 

Thanks in advance for your help, I know I'm in the right place!

And thank you Brother William for the gracious welcome.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 07, 2009, 08:49:09 PM
Pax vobiscum Brother. Welcome.
If you've been keeping company with Frere William, then you have been in the best care.

May I ask, have you "declared" an Order yet?

As for your question, funny...I recently submitted an article for Renaissance Magazine dealing with the very question you ask.

Here is but a small sample, so as not to let the cat out of the bag..

Leaving the past behind.....

You'll want to work off a basic foundation, and here's where to start:

For your legs: Hose, ...................will serve you well. An arming cap made of cotton or linen for your head. Period shoes, many can be obtained from a variety of dealers in these threads, just ask.   ;D

Under the armor or robe/tunic you'll develop, you'll want a Padded gambeson. This serves to protect your body's hard points from chaffing with armor on. Padded chausses will cover your legs, hose, wraps or Wickelbanders, and are a sound investment if you plan to wear and portray a full serving Brother of any Order.



Again welcome, and best of luck on you persona...as we all know......"Deus vult!"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 07, 2009, 08:55:07 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 07, 2009, 08:49:09 PM
May I ask, have you "declared" an Order yet?

I have not yet.  I am leaning toward the Templars, but for now I would guess you could call me a Knight of Ibelin.  As I told Sir William, I got an excellent deal on a Kingdom of Heaven lot on EBay.  The Ibelin surcoat and a Hospitalier cape all for $30.  Once I have those in hand, my wife will be able to base any thing new I want (ie Templar gear) off of those.  (She's right handy with the sewing machine.)  So pretty much anything I need that can be sewn at home, she can make me.

Deus lo vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 08, 2009, 05:26:06 AM
Awesome! Although the world would never frown upon another Brother of the Temple, might I suggest you have her do the surcoat of a Hospitaller since you're already half way there with the cape. Less work for you and closer to a completed look over all. Brother William is our "Cross Trained" member between the two greatest of Crusading Military Orders. He won't steer you wrong.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 08, 2009, 06:42:24 AM
Welcome to the forums Knight of Ibelin.  As I'm sure you already know, you are amongst the most knowledgeable of Brothers when it comes to learning the history, habits and dress of the knights of Christ. 

Please allow me to also congratulate you on the blessings of such a talented wife.   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 08, 2009, 08:07:00 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 08, 2009, 05:26:06 AM
Awesome! Although the world would never frown upon another Brother of the Temple, might I suggest you have her do the surcoat of a Hospitaller since you're already half way there with the cape. Less work for you and closer to a completed look over all.

Had never thought of that before really...excellent idea!  Something else to consider now.  You are wise, Brother.

Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 08, 2009, 06:42:24 AM
Please allow me to also congratulate you on the blessings of such a talented wife.   :)

Thank, dear Lady.  I know how lucky I am, especially since she shares the historical costuming passion.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 08, 2009, 09:33:59 AM
Brother, do you have a faire that you claim as home? We would like to identify your Priory. ;D
From there it's up to you to bolster the weak of heart and faith with your visually powerful and Divinely ordained Hospitaller appearance. ;)




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on April 08, 2009, 10:05:40 AM
Welcome to the forums Knight of Ibelin or Theoden. I'm know as Brother Gregory a man of the cloth. I play a monk but have done tons of research on the Knights Templar.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 08, 2009, 12:27:13 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 08, 2009, 09:33:59 AM
Brother, do you have a faire that you claim as home? We would like to identify your Priory. ;D
From there it's up to you to bolster the weak of heart and faith with your visually powerful and Divinely ordained Hospitaller appearance. ;)

That I do.  3 actually!  I am fortunate enough to have 2 local, and one I road trip to every year.  My two local faires are the Nebraska Ren Faire and the Midwest Ren Fest, both in Omaha.  The third is the Kansas City Ren Faire which I attend at least one weekend a year.

Quote from: Brother Gregory on April 08, 2009, 10:05:40 AM
Welcome to the forums Knight of Ibelin or Theoden. I'm know as Brother Gregory a man of the cloth. I play a monk but have done tons of research on the Knights Templar.

Pax Vobiscum, Brother Gregory.  Thank you for the welcome.  I look forward to learning more from you all.

The KoH items arrived today.  So once I have a chance I can actually get a pic taken in full Divine Glory.

As always, Deus lo Vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 08, 2009, 01:06:15 PM
Good news indeed!
I plan to update this with markers of the faires we "influence", but as you can see....we're branching out....... ;D

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/UPOA0409.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 08, 2009, 01:20:22 PM
Warrior Monk....I know it's difficult to admit just how "widespread" my influence has become but in addition to the 2 locations in NC, GA, OTHER will take VA this spring as well.   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 08, 2009, 01:31:23 PM
Actually Sister, I have yet to do the influence markers. Yours is the large marker, with Lady ASHley as the smaller marker, just as Confrere Jesse has a smaller marker, along with a Teutonic icon for his fallen Brother. They will grow as they double their efforts. ;D

As for your statement about Virginia, I like your thinking! ;) ;D

I have yet to include the former Sleepyarcher's (Lord Fondlebottom) location of MN/WI
Brother Gregory or Hospitaller, although one is in TX with Frere Mikael.

Theoden ranks a large icon because he will be our Hospitaller effort in Nebraska. Brother William sports two icons, with the larger being his primary focus (of this the Almighty has no doubt) ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 08, 2009, 02:00:10 PM
ohhhh i got a green one cool
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 08, 2009, 03:04:42 PM
Outstanding brother Theoden!  A man of his word, as I see one has acquainted himself...most excellent.

My apologizes for the delayed response as I offered protection (aka chaperon) for the K-1 children of Mt Comfort Elementary as they embarked on a journey to our Children's Museum today, which happens to be the largest museum of its kind in the country.  I had to be on me toes, with all senses and reflexes dialed in.  It was grueling at times but prevailed victorious in the "having a great time category!"

So now, one must please excuse me, as I go make oneself horizontal for a wee bit  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 08, 2009, 04:02:35 PM
resist the urge to be bad... I'm being very very good this year
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 08, 2009, 08:45:40 PM
Another arrangement for fortress jukebox..

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2rdclqu.jpg)

Music Of The Crusades
Geoffrey Shaw (Performer), Anonymous (Composer), French Anonymous (Composer), Manuscrit du Roi Anonymous (Composer), Chastelain de Couci (Composer), Conon de Bethune (Composer), Guiot de Dijon (Composer), Gaucelm Faidit (Composer), Marcabru (Composer), Richard I Coeur-de-lion (Composer), King of Navarre Thibault IV (Composer), Walther von der Vogelweide (Composer), Charles Brett (Performer), James Bowman (Performer), Early Music Consort of London (Performer), Christopher Hogwood (Performer), James Tyler (Performer), Christina Clarke (Performer), Nigel Rogers (Performer)

Marvelous recreations of music from the time of the crusades
By Lawrance M. Bernabo

Of the "Music of the Crusades" collected on this very interesting album, several actually deal with the Crusades. I am always on the look out for interesting bits of music and film that can be used in history classes to bring the period alive for students and this certainly qualifies. This album contains examples of different types of songs, sung mostly in French and Latin. The lyrics alone are fascinating ("The French are degenerate if they refuse to support God, for I have warned them") and one song, "Ja nus hons pris," is attributed to Richard the Lion-Heart. Teachers covering the Middle Ages can certainly find a song or two to share with their students that will give them a sense of the times.

The liner notes by James Tyler explain that of the sixty-odd manuscripts surviving of troubadour and trouvere poetry, only a small number contain musical notion. Similar to the notation of Gregorian chant, these early notations give the performer a series of pitches to be sung without any indication of specific rhythmic values. Consequently, modern musical theories are used to develop these songs, taking into account the instruments of the period (lute, bells, harp, tabor, etc.) that we know existed from contemporary pictorial and literary evidence. So, I have to think that music students will find this album of interest as well. Performed by the Early Music Consort of London, I can certainly appreciate the effort made to achieve authenticity. Of course, we can never know how accurate these recreations are, but I certainly do not consider that a problem. I have been listening to several similar albums of music from this period, and this is the best I have heard so fa
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 08, 2009, 09:53:39 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 08, 2009, 01:31:23 PM
Theoden ranks a large icon because he will be our Hospitaller effort in Nebraska.

I will strive in every effort to do us justice, dear Brothers.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 08, 2009, 10:36:27 PM
 Deus lo Vult!
(http://i41.tinypic.com/349bblx.jpg)(http://i41.tinypic.com/349bblx.jpg)(http://i41.tinypic.com/349bblx.jpg)(http://i41.tinypic.com/349bblx.jpg)(http://i41.tinypic.com/349bblx.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 09, 2009, 03:18:27 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 08, 2009, 08:45:40 PM
Another arrangement for fortress jukebox..

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2rdclqu.jpg)

Music Of The Crusades
Geoffrey Shaw (Performer), Anonymous (Composer), French Anonymous (Composer), Manuscrit du Roi Anonymous (Composer), Chastelain de Couci (Composer), Conon de Bethune (Composer), Guiot de Dijon (Composer), Gaucelm Faidit (Composer), Marcabru (Composer), Richard I Coeur-de-lion (Composer), King of Navarre Thibault IV (Composer), Walther von der Vogelweide (Composer), Charles Brett (Performer), James Bowman (Performer), Early Music Consort of London (Performer), Christopher Hogwood (Performer), James Tyler (Performer), Christina Clarke (Performer), Nigel Rogers (Performer)

Marvelous recreations of music from the time of the crusades
By Lawrance M. Bernabo

Of the "Music of the Crusades" collected on this very interesting album, several actually deal with the Crusades. I am always on the look out for interesting bits of music and film that can be used in history classes to bring the period alive for students and this certainly qualifies. This album contains examples of different types of songs, sung mostly in French and Latin. The lyrics alone are fascinating ("The French are degenerate if they refuse to support God, for I have warned them") and one song, "Ja nus hons pris," is attributed to Richard the Lion-Heart. Teachers covering the Middle Ages can certainly find a song or two to share with their students that will give them a sense of the times.

The liner notes by James Tyler explain that of the sixty-odd manuscripts surviving of troubadour and trouvere poetry, only a small number contain musical notion. Similar to the notation of Gregorian chant, these early notations give the performer a series of pitches to be sung without any indication of specific rhythmic values. Consequently, modern musical theories are used to develop these songs, taking into account the instruments of the period (lute, bells, harp, tabor, etc.) that we know existed from contemporary pictorial and literary evidence. So, I have to think that music students will find this album of interest as well. Performed by the Early Music Consort of London, I can certainly appreciate the effort made to achieve authenticity. Of course, we can never know how accurate these recreations are, but I certainly do not consider that a problem. I have been listening to several similar albums of music from this period, and this is the best I have heard so fa

I have this along with several others. I will try and get a pic of some of them for here. Very good stuff.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 09, 2009, 07:36:07 AM
Thread Bumped..

Here are a couple more that have made it into the Crusading library

On The Way To Bethehem


(Music of the Medieval Pilgrim)

Ensemble Oni Wytars
Ensemble Unicorn

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/51RxMPMbDgL_SL500_AA280_.jpg)


Below, Time of the Templars you will have over 3 hours of listening enjoyment. Note: You will find some of the arrangements from "On The Way To Bethehem" on this disc as well.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/Timeofthetemplars.jpg)

Disc # 1 Music for a knight total playing time 65:34

Disc # 2 Music of the church total playing time 75:25

Disc # 3 Music of the Mediterranean total playing time 67:24
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 09, 2009, 07:57:53 AM
I checked iTunes, and the "Music of the Crusades" is available for download.  The other two were not as of yet.






And I figured I'd make my profile a bit more appropriate....at least until the Hospitalier is done! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 09, 2009, 10:51:07 AM
You can also find these disc as "used" on Amazon which are fairly inexpensive.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/34eepvd.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 09, 2009, 02:49:45 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on April 09, 2009, 07:57:53 AM
And I figured I'd make my profile a bit more appropriate....at least until the Hospitalier is done! :P[/color]


We all look forward to it. ;D

For those with small ones within the confines of their Preceptories:

-Life During the Crusades (Way People Live) (Hardcover) by Earle Rice Jr.

-Crusades (DK Discoveries) (Hardcover) by Jayne Parsons

-Story of the Crusades (Paperback) by John Green

Remember..a small one's mind is a terrible thing to waste... :P

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 09, 2009, 10:05:24 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 09, 2009, 10:51:07 AM
You can also find these disc as "used" on Amazon which are fairly inexpensive.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/34eepvd.jpg)

beautiful

irrrrrrrr Off to do pentance stupid job. still going to play in the sand box this fall ;D they can't take that away(for further understanding on this matter see the rant on random thoughts)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 10, 2009, 12:54:30 AM
So I have another question or two for you, Dear Brothers.

The garb of the Hospitalier....dark brown or black?  I have seen both and read both as being "accurate one."  IS there a definitive version?

Right now I'm thinking of mixing the two...black tunic/pants under the dark brown surcoat and cape.

Swords....?  I'm scouring the 'bay for something to use.  At this point, I dont need anything functional.  Just something to hang on the hip (most Faires require the peace tie, so who's gonna see it) and will look good in a picture or two.  What do you use?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 10, 2009, 05:30:46 AM
Black would be your preferred look for a Brother of the Hospital. Brown although used by the Hospital, is known more in the other Orders and was usually reserved for Sergeants and associate Brothers. Early on they may have worn dark brown for availablitiy sake. The Hospitallers appear to be better later on at making everyone look the same, for the Team's sake.  ;D

As for swords; something plain and simple. KoH blades, or Rene's blade from Soldier of God would serve well. Search Crusader swords amd seek the least flashy. :)


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/benedictsays.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 10, 2009, 10:49:48 AM
Used a little time at work this morning to conduct "outfitting/sizing" operations on a co-worker who will be in attendance on opening weekend of GARF. Should be able to modify this post later with a photo of this young, battle experienced (really), Templar Sergeant.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: BLAKDUKE on April 10, 2009, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 10, 2009, 10:49:48 AM
Used a little time at work this morning to conduct "outfitting/sizing" operations on a co-worker who will be in attendance on opening weekend of GARF. Should be able to modify this post later with a photo of this young, battle experienced (really), Templar Sergeant.

Hola my good friend..

Just out of curiosity, with all of the people you are bringing, are you just visiting or are planning on INVADING.......................
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 10, 2009, 01:31:04 PM
Quote from: BLAKDUKE on April 10, 2009, 01:05:18 PM
Just out of curiosity, with all of the people you are bringing, are you just visiting or are planning on INVADING.......................

Greetings traveling King! My numbers vary because of commitments here at FBGA, but SOMEBODY is coming! (I got two kits ready, besides my own) As to what our intentions are.....well.......If I told you....I'd have to.............. :P

Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 10, 2009, 03:52:12 PM
Rofl he better warn the king he's invading Garf if thats the case
Me I'm just visiting next trip i will have an Entourage with me mostly non-rennies yet. Hoping to influence one or two to join the rennie side we have turkey legs
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 10, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 10, 2009, 05:30:46 AM
Black would be your preferred look for a Brother of the Hospital. Brown although used by the Hospital, is known more in the other Orders and was usually reserved for Sergeants and associate Brothers. Early on they may have worn dark brown for availability sake. The Hospitallers appear to be better later on at making everyone look the same, for the Team's sake.  ;D

As for swords; something plain and simple. KoH blades, or Rene's blade from Soldier of God would serve well. Search Crusader swords and seek the least flashy. :)

Ya know, I never noticed until just today, the KoH Hospitalier surcoat is black!  I always just saw it as brown like the cape.  So I guess that settles that!

As for the sword..I have been doing just that.  If you wouldnt mind sharing your opinions, I could post some links to the ones I'm looking at and get your thoughts, Brothers.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 10, 2009, 04:18:47 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on April 10, 2009, 03:52:12 PM.....we have turkey legs

And if that doesnt convert them....try the mead!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 10, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on April 10, 2009, 04:17:52 PM
I could post some links to the ones I'm looking at and get your thoughts, Brothers.[/color]

We stand ready to assist.... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 10, 2009, 11:33:46 PM
Well then here goes...

I know they're a little on the "cheap" side, but I'm working under a bit of a budget.   :-[

A: Wife likes this one, I'm not sure about the pommel. Looks kinda small to me. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110374874825 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110374874825)

B: I like the blade size, however no scabbard. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=370180179192 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=370180179192)

C: Replica KoH Ibelin. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=270310366188 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=270310366188)

D: Another replica KOH Ibelin. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=220365198782 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=220365198782)

E: Nice and simple. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=350177890140 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=350177890140)

F: This one's on the high end of the budget. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260386561049 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260386561049)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 11, 2009, 07:53:34 AM
A thru E would be fine. E especially maintains an adherence to the Templar Rule. F seems a bit out of place with the huge crosses cut out of the guard.

Working under a budget, trust me Brother, we all understand. ;) Our appearances developed over time, although trips to the Outremer helped to finance some items.  :P ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 11, 2009, 08:32:04 AM
Thank you, Brother!  I wasnt fond of F myself either.  If anyone else has an opinion, by all means, throw it out there!

I found this online during my research:

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/Hospitallerc1140AD.jpg)

Obviously it seems to come from an Osprey book.  Anyone know which?  I cant find one specifically on the Hospitallers.

I hope to have some progress pics of the Ibelin Knight this weekend.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 11, 2009, 08:37:36 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 08, 2009, 08:45:40 PM
Another arrangement for fortress jukebox..

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2rdclqu.jpg)

Music Of The Crusades
Geoffrey Shaw (Performer), Anonymous (Composer), French Anonymous (Composer), Manuscrit du Roi Anonymous (Composer), Chastelain de Couci (Composer), Conon de Bethune (Composer), Guiot de Dijon (Composer), Gaucelm Faidit (Composer), Marcabru (Composer), Richard I Coeur-de-lion (Composer), King of Navarre Thibault IV (Composer), Walther von der Vogelweide (Composer), Charles Brett (Performer), James Bowman (Performer), Early Music Consort of London (Performer), Christopher Hogwood (Performer), James Tyler (Performer), Christina Clarke (Performer), Nigel Rogers (Performer)

Marvelous recreations of music from the time of the crusades
By Lawrance M. Bernabo

Of the "Music of the Crusades" collected on this very interesting album, several actually deal with the Crusades. I am always on the look out for interesting bits of music and film that can be used in history classes to bring the period alive for students and this certainly qualifies. This album contains examples of different types of songs, sung mostly in French and Latin. The lyrics alone are fascinating ("The French are degenerate if they refuse to support God, for I have warned them") and one song, "Ja nus hons pris," is attributed to Richard the Lion-Heart. Teachers covering the Middle Ages can certainly find a song or two to share with their students that will give them a sense of the times.

The liner notes by James Tyler explain that of the sixty-odd manuscripts surviving of troubadour and trouvere poetry, only a small number contain musical notion. Similar to the notation of Gregorian chant, these early notations give the performer a series of pitches to be sung without any indication of specific rhythmic values. Consequently, modern musical theories are used to develop these songs, taking into account the instruments of the period (lute, bells, harp, tabor, etc.) that we know existed from contemporary pictorial and literary evidence. So, I have to think that music students will find this album of interest as well. Performed by the Early Music Consort of London, I can certainly appreciate the effort made to achieve authenticity. Of course, we can never know how accurate these recreations are, but I certainly do not consider that a problem. I have been listening to several similar albums of music from this period, and this is the best I have heard so fa

Is it possible to give me a listing of the instrumental tracks?  Not a big fan of the singing/chanting.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 11, 2009, 09:03:03 AM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on April 11, 2009, 08:32:04 AM
Thank you, Brother!  I wasnt fond of F myself either.  If anyone else has an opinion, by all means, throw it out there!

I found this online during my research:

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/Hospitallerc1140AD.jpg)

Obviously it seems to come from an Osprey book.  Anyone know which?  I cant find one specifically on the Hospitallers.

I hope to have some progress pics of the Ibelin Knight this weekend.

You may find it in Osprey's big book called: Knights of Jerusalem, or the smaller more specific book: Knight Hospitaller (1) 1100-1306 Warrior series #33

We look forward to the photos!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 11, 2009, 09:42:40 AM
Brother Marcus,  It appears that you can listen to any of the tracks via Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Music-Crusades-Geoffrey-Shaw/dp/B0000041XJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1239460591&sr=1-1

Here is another compilation that will transform you back in time...

(http://i44.tinypic.com/97vgqh.jpg)

4.0 out of 5 stars  I you liked the movie "Kingdom of Heaven"

Review by Jeffrey K. Castle

..and, like me, you are curious about the music of the time, then this is an excellant collection. This is a two CD set and seems to be a fairly good sampling of the music from that era. It also makes good background music should you need to focus on something else.

The only downside was that Windows Media Player couldn't find any album information. It's usually not a big deal to add the music information yourself, but the titles on this CD were the originals, ie. long & in Latin, Italian, and whatever else..

All in all, it was a good value for the price.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 11, 2009, 09:58:42 AM
Below is a visual of the Osprey book in which you seek (http://i41.tinypic.com/15s4ot2.jpg) (http://i41.tinypic.com/15s4ot2.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2m26r60.jpg)
Tuitio fidei et Obsequium Pauperum



(http://i44.tinypic.com/2rha4g0.jpg)




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 11, 2009, 12:44:47 PM
Funny....I could never find that one before.  Searched today putting the "1100" on the end, and bam!...several show up!  Did the "buy it now" for $5!  Thanks again, Dear Brother!

Just another sign that....


DUES LO VULT!!

And I've narrowed the sword search down to D and E....with A on the outside looking in, heh.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on April 11, 2009, 08:33:20 PM
I ordered Music of the Templars and Music of the Crusades from Amazon on Thursday should hae them Monday.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 12, 2009, 08:59:04 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Easter.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 12, 2009, 09:59:37 AM
Happy Easter, dear Brothers..

As promised here is a pic of the WIP Ibelin Knight:

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0071.jpg)

Next time around I'll keep the coif mantle under the surcoat, for one.  I need a better belt (thats a stand in pirate belt), and of course the boots and pants are to be replaced.  I also ordered the E sword from above, so the LotR Theoden sword will only make its appearance here this one time!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 12, 2009, 11:09:10 AM
A great start! We look foward to the colors of an Order! E it is then! Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 12, 2009, 08:05:44 PM
Belated Easter Greetings Brothers & Sisters. 

Excellent brother Marcus. I like the long sleeves on the haulberk.  If you ever consider darkening it along with your coif, I have a technique that will give it that "I've-been-on- few-crusades-battle-look"

Congrats Brother Gregory on your musical purchases too.  I' am confident you will find them pleasing to the ear.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/rhsh0o.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 12, 2009, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 12, 2009, 08:05:44 PMExcellent brother Marcus. I like the long sleeves on the haulberk.  If you ever consider darkening it along with your coif, I have a technique that will give it that "I've-been-on- few-crusades-battle-look"

Please tell, I am interested in getting some of the shine off!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2009, 08:32:20 AM
If Brother William has not sent it to you via PM yet, here's his secret as told to me a long time ago... :P

Soak it in white vinegar till it quits bubbling or to your discretion. The bubbling looks like little tiny fizzy bubbles. It takes a whiles 3-5 hours to complete its magic.

Make sure to periodically move the coif around in the vinegar especially if your doing it in a bucket. You will notice parts of the metal that doesn't received the vinegar as much as other area as some spots of it will still appear shiney.

When your satisfied with the look. Remove and  DRY COMPLETELY with towels.

Once you feel it is dried completely coat it heavily with WD-40.

I hung mine, and check on it everyday. I have noticed a little rust (and I mean a little) around my rivets.

I also use a steel brush on mine as well in certain areas to remove small amounts of rust.  It really looks good!

I have also towel patted mine here in the last couple of days to remove any excess oil and now it's ready to wear.


With this process it will have to be oiled after any outing especially if it subjected to heavy sweat as you can imagine.  A small sacrifice for such a great look.





BTW: *Nice avatar!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 13, 2009, 09:44:01 AM
Just sent him instructions via PM messenger.  It appears his maile maybe butted which will be alot easier & less time consuming to treat than riveted.  I gave an ole butted haulberk of mine a vinegar bath this winter, and it turned out quite nice with a lot less time involved than treating riveted maile.


(http://i44.tinypic.com/24qiuqg.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/14kkth0.jpg)



 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2009, 09:53:37 AM
Did your mail come with a neckline like that, or did you modify it yourself?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 13, 2009, 09:56:48 AM
I modified it myself to accommodate a viking tunic.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2009, 10:06:19 AM
Interesting. A man of multiple personalities! :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 13, 2009, 10:21:11 AM
Been piecing a kit together for some time as I've been invited to attend a Viking Festival over in Ohio for several years now and have been unable to make it.  It approaches once again.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2009, 11:52:05 AM
Must be Ashville Viking fest. I know you're going for the calendar! ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 13, 2009, 12:09:11 PM
Ashville it is. No need to go for the calendar as I already know its the last weekend of this month. Its looking like I may have a shot at attending it on the Sunday. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2009, 12:09:24 PM
I am contemplating removing the face plate of the transitional helm I have (for several reasons) and working on developing an image such as....

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Kettle.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2009, 12:11:00 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 13, 2009, 12:09:11 PM
No need to go for the calender as I already know its the last weekend of this month. 

I meant the Ashville Valkyrie calendar from that festival. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 13, 2009, 12:11:35 PM
One knows you can purchase one those helms for next to nothing
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2009, 12:14:22 PM
Site plz?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 13, 2009, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 13, 2009, 12:11:00 PM
I meant the Ashville Valkyrie calendar from that festival. ;)

Holy schinike....Didn't catch that one!  I am impressed though as brother Cliff de Beaumanoir is even aware of Valkyrie calendars existence  ;) ;D   In the event I attend I will have to get you one, or a dozen personally autographed by the Valkyries that grace its pages ;)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2h560yr.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2009, 12:24:53 PM
I know some folks, who know some folks........ :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 13, 2009, 12:31:09 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 13, 2009, 12:14:22 PM
Site plz?

I will look around a little. I have seen them on many occasion, I just can't place exactly where at,  I will find some  though as its going to bother me now till I do  ;)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 13, 2009, 03:26:52 PM
This isn't what I what I was talking about. It's not conical enough and the price is way more than the ones I previously seen. However, it is a crusader bucket  http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Crusader_Flat_Helm_GH0004.html

The search continues......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 13, 2009, 03:45:20 PM
I've been gone all weekend and you boys look like your getting into trouble
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 13, 2009, 09:20:45 PM
Thanks for the weathering advice!  Got the PM as well, so I'll be looking into doing it.  You are correct that my mail is butted rings...I think it's the stainless steel variety.

Believe it or not, as Brother William knows from our converstations, hes not the only Viking-to-be!  I, too, am hard at work on a Viking age kit...another reason weathering up the mail is on my to-do list!  I'm looking at going with an Anglo-Saxon influenced look.

WM, are you thinking of the style helmet that Liam Neeson wore in KoH?  If so, I too have been looking around for one, and have yet to find one.  All I've found so far are the kettle style with the brim.

Oh and thanks for the avatar compliments, Brother Cliff.  You look to be sporting a new one as well.  Very nice!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 13, 2009, 11:02:54 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on April 13, 2009, 09:20:45 PM
WM, are you thinking of the style helmet that Liam Neeson wore in KoH?  If so, I too have been looking around for one, and have yet to find one.  All I've found so far are the kettle style with the brim.

Liam Neeson Indeed! Great observation brother Marcus.  I must say I have searched & googled my hiney off tonight for that helm and I'm coming up empty handed.  Perhaps I was wrong?  Although I could of swore seeing them in the $120 range. Maybe its one of those, "you see them all the time till you want one phenomenons" (http://i42.tinypic.com/24c5ovm.jpg)

In my searching I did manage to discover many items that I would find satisfactory for my Natal Anniversary or Fathers day celebration.  (http://i41.tinypic.com/10zvfnk.jpg)

One thing I did see a lot of that I don't recall seeing before is the abundance of "Secret Helms". I don't ever remember seeing them on the market before except for skateboarders.  It's like they have sprouted up everywhere like dandelions.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/25zifs3.jpg)   So my apologies frere Cliff as I was unsuccessful in finding the crusading helm that I was confident I would of found. Maybe they are just currently out style?  Heck, I couldn't even find a image of Liam Neeson wearing one from KoH.

However, on a good note it appears now that the tranny helms we currently have are going for $140 on some sites. So, hack away! I can't wait to see what it looks like when your done! (http://i44.tinypic.com/2v36lmr.jpg)

I will continue to keep an eye out as the search will continue....


(http://i40.tinypic.com/dnygcj.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 14, 2009, 10:32:59 AM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on April 13, 2009, 09:20:45 PM
WM, are you thinking of the style helmet that Liam Neeson wore in KoH?  If so, I too have been looking around for one, and have yet to find one. 

Oh and thanks for the avatar compliments, Brother Cliff.  You look to be sporting a new one as well.  Very nice!


Yes, you are absolutely correct. His helm in the beginning is the one I refer to. It was also worn by Rober Taylor in the 50s version of Ivanhoe, but with the mail over the top and outside of it.


As for the avatar, I wanted to show some unity amongst the Warrior Monk chapter.  Strength in numbers! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 14, 2009, 11:00:50 AM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/34xj8jl.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/fad3bn.jpg)  (http://i40.tinypic.com/kcmfkh.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2us8ltj.jpg)  (http://i39.tinypic.com/or5v1u.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/25jd1s0.jpg)  (http://i40.tinypic.com/24v2la9.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/vpeuk4.jpg)   (http://i44.tinypic.com/15x2vdv.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/w1po5j.jpg)   (http://i40.tinypic.com/30wuxyc.jpg)

It appears that the Knights Hospitaller vol (1) 1100-1306 has a new image on the cover?



(http://i44.tinypic.com/644fbk.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 14, 2009, 11:55:30 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 14, 2009, 11:00:50 AM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/fad3bn.jpg) 

(http://i39.tinypic.com/or5v1u.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/25jd1s0.jpg) 

(http://i42.tinypic.com/vpeuk4.jpg)   

(http://i44.tinypic.com/15x2vdv.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/w1po5j.jpg)   

It appears that the Knights Hospitaller vol (1) 1100-1306 has a new image on the cover?

(http://i44.tinypic.com/644fbk.jpg)

These are currently in my library. The cover of #1 the Hospitallers appears to be an older version.




And yes........it DOES!


Wonderful work on the graphics Brother William, it appears in our Warrior Monk Chapter, there will be a need for an IT/Graphic Arts position.... ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 14, 2009, 12:10:54 PM
and the other two bit dirt?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 14, 2009, 02:06:39 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 14, 2009, 11:55:30 AM
The cover of #1 the Hospitallers appears to be an older version.

I wasn't sure if it was older or newer.  Then again it wasn't that long ago when a fellow brethren introduced me to the Osprey line-up.


Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 14, 2009, 11:55:30 AM
Wonderful work on the graphics Brother William, it appears in our Warrior Monk Chapter, there will be a need for an IT/Graphic Arts position....

Sometimes my imagination gets ahead of me.  I thank you for the compliment and will accept the title without hesitation.  ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 14, 2009, 03:33:08 PM
We also missed one of my most recent acquisitions: The Scandanavian Baltic Crusades!  :o

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/9781841769882.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 14, 2009, 06:45:09 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on April 13, 2009, 09:20:45 PM

WM, are you thinking of the style helmet that Liam Neeson wore in KoH?  If so, I too have been looking around for one, and have yet to find one. 

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/14Apr09015.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 14, 2009, 09:41:37 PM
That be it!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 15, 2009, 10:58:12 AM
Still can't find one like that!  (http://i43.tinypic.com/20hq6p3.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 15, 2009, 11:19:02 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 15, 2009, 10:58:12 AM
Still can't find one like that!  (http://i43.tinypic.com/20hq6p3.jpg)

why not try to make one?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 15, 2009, 11:42:28 AM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/15f38jp.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 15, 2009, 12:07:15 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 15, 2009, 11:42:28 AM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/15f38jp.jpg)

Can't touch dat! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 15, 2009, 12:12:21 PM
what you can't look at a picture and duplicate it? come on boys i thought you were more creative than that.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 15, 2009, 01:33:45 PM
Oh but we are Sister, we're creative in our typing of Key Words into various search engines to provide us manufacturers of 'said' helmet design, and from that point on, our creativity and resourcefulness jumps to a magnitude that boggles the normal peasant's mind, as we convince the purse holders of the necessity of such an acquisition. Then we wear it proudly upon its arrival in honor of those Warrior Monks who've gone before us, and made the ultimate sacrifice in the commitment of a cause...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 15, 2009, 01:55:27 PM
in other words you beg the wife to let you purchase it
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 15, 2009, 02:14:16 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on April 15, 2009, 01:55:27 PM
in other words you beg the wife to let you purchase it


No, nothing of the sort. You may find a Warrior Monk on his knees, but never for begging reward from mortal man. No, what you misunderstood was that we convince them  (Purse holders) of their worldly sins and the benefits of contributing (by purchasing) to the efforts of their favorite Warrior Monk, thus rescinding the taint of their sins, by providing for the efforts exerted by these Brothers against the ancient threat of heresy.

I hope that clarifies any ambiguity. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 15, 2009, 02:19:59 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 15, 2009, 02:14:16 PM
You may find a Warrior Monk on his knees, but never for begging reward from mortal man.


but from mortal women, we can be sure!   :P ;) :D

Yes, thank you for clarifying.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 15, 2009, 02:24:57 PM
MORTAL MAN: Of or relating to humankind; human, all genders inclusive!  :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 15, 2009, 02:27:59 PM
totally clarified?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 15, 2009, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on April 15, 2009, 11:19:02 AM
why not try to make one?

Your absolutely right!  I started thinking about what you said and YES!!!  I will make one myself, and believe it or not I almost have it completed!


(http://i41.tinypic.com/cu9x.jpg)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 15, 2009, 03:14:01 PM
now all you need is a blow torch and a hammer pound out all the ridges
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 15, 2009, 03:29:30 PM
Excellent idea sister ASHley!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 15, 2009, 05:21:33 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on April 15, 2009, 03:14:01 PM
now all you need is a blow torch and a hammer pound out all the ridges

a blow torch (provided by the ambient heat from heretical purification) and a hammer (the mailed fist of a Brother) ;D ;D ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 16, 2009, 01:48:15 AM
An entire army clad in Brother William's helmets would be unstoppable! The glory of our helms alone would send the infidels running for their lives!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 16, 2009, 08:59:44 AM
yep unstoppable they shall be
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 17, 2009, 01:06:59 AM
Here are the best two I could find, Brothers.

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/012.jpg)

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/022.jpg)

Though I found this one a bit later....

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/410.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 17, 2009, 05:19:10 AM
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/410.jpg)

Seeing as this guy is listed as the Templar Master for KoH, this photo alone would be justification enough for its purchase! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 17, 2009, 07:56:17 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 15, 2009, 05:21:33 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on April 15, 2009, 03:14:01 PM
now all you need is a blow torch and a hammer pound out all the ridges
a blow torch (provided by the ambient heat from heretical purification) and a hammer (the mailed fist of a Brother) ;D ;D ;D :P

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2yvv4o2.jpg) the ambient heat from heretical purification (http://i40.tinypic.com/1693oyr.jpg)

And Hail brother Marcus for discovering and providing such excellent images from KoH.  With permission I would like add them to the council archives.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 17, 2009, 08:17:35 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 17, 2009, 07:56:17 AM
And Hail brother Marcus for discovering and providing such excellent images from KoH.  With permission I would like add them to the council archives.

Thank you Brother William.  Of course you can feel free to add them to the archives.  Anything to help current and future Brothers of the Orders.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 17, 2009, 03:07:29 PM
Received word from M'Lady that a whole bevy of goodies has arrived...my sword, boots and I've got material for the Hospitaller!  Hopefully I'll have the colors of my Order to don this weekend.  I'll get pics and impressions/reviews a bit later.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 17, 2009, 05:53:00 PM
Heres the sword:

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0070.jpg)

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0071-2.jpg)

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0072.jpg)

Its not too shabby.  It has a nice weight to it, and feels pretty comfortable.  Only issue I have with it is the scabbard is a bit tight at the bottom, and the sword will stick tight if it's pushed in all the way.  Need to leave about a finger's width exposed.

The boots....well....cant say I was expecting much, so I guess I'm not disappointed, heh.  They'll definitely need some insoles and I'll replace the shoe string with some leather cord and then figure out an actual effective way to tie them up.  Probably not totally worth what they cost, but as I rationalized them when I bought them:  They'll work for now, for this and another project I'm working on.

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/Boots.jpg)

The black linen is being worked upon as I type, so hopefully it'll be done tomorrow!

Deus Lo Vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 18, 2009, 03:46:49 PM
Wow...this page is all my posts...and normally I'm the quiet one!  :P

Well, Hopsitaller version 1 is done.  Took some pictures:

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/Hopsitaller2.jpg)

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/Hospitaller4.jpg)

Of course, after I got in and got everything off, I realized I forgot the cloak!  Oh well, next round I'll remember it.

Now onto upgrades!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 18, 2009, 04:49:22 PM
Brother, your presentation is right on! Great job, looking forward to more shots! Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 18, 2009, 04:51:13 PM
Arrival at the GARF Kingdom:
(Brothers suit up)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0619.jpg)

Standing prepared for Saracen attack:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0617.jpg)

The Order realizes it will take more financial resources to make the Kingdom safe, so Confrere Sean makes the deduction from the Templar savings and loan:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/P1010004.jpg)

Familiar pilgrims are encountered; Sister Hatchet, her Lord, King Allyn (Blakduke), and his Kingdom's Royal Queen, and the Lady LeFay hidden.
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/P1010007.jpg)

The Order proud of its adaptability, adjusts its dress to meet the demands placed on them by Mother Nature:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0620.jpg)

To prevent over exposure, the Brother adapts with Outremer style:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/P1010010.jpg)

The Order so impressed the local population, that they had applicants of every age seek entrance, the Lady LeFay acted as the buffer for intimidating aura:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/P1010012.jpg)

More to follow on the morrow........
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 18, 2009, 10:19:37 PM
I looked all over for yall and didn't see ya. I saw a templar but he was wasn't that tall and he was eating so i left him alone(wonders if we can burn the person who decided they need to work on our exit on opening weekend) we might have made before the gates opened if not for the traffic and delays
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 18, 2009, 10:52:52 PM
Envious I am!  I cannot enjoy the faire for another two weeks yet.  :'(
Looks like a great time was had, Brother.  
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 19, 2009, 03:34:54 AM
Envious as well, as I have till May 30th just for faire gates to open within my realm. 

Brother Marcus, I must agree that your kit honoring the Knights of St.John is right on!  I too look forward to more images as well.

Frere Cliff & friends of GARF, enjoy the images and look forward to seeing more.  Confrere Sean, I sincerely admire your baldric. In the event you would ever want to sell it, I would be most willing to make a generous offer  ;) ;D

I must go for now as it is very early in sabbath, and one must prepare himself for more festivities as we have been celebrating the princesses sixth natal anniversary.

Till next time brothers & sisters

Pax Vobiscum

WM

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2009, 05:05:55 AM
Well in a moment of silence, I would like like to recognize Brother William's Princess, and wish her a very Happy Sixth Year Natal Day!

Huzzah, Huzzah, Huzzah!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o90/Willows_Realm/Darth.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on April 19, 2009, 08:07:36 AM
Brother William,

Happy sixth natal anniversary to thy Princess and may many more follow in health and happiness.

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.

RdG

And a warm welcome to Marcus of Ibelin.

Great pictures Warrior Monk!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 19, 2009, 02:36:08 PM
Warm blessings to your Princess, Brother William!  Hope she feels like a Queen at the end of her day!!

My own Princess is 10 now, and I look back fondly on her younger years... how fast they go..  Enjoy the day with her!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 19, 2009, 02:42:05 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 18, 2009, 04:49:22 PM
Brother, your presentation is right on! Great job, looking forward to more shots! Deus vult!

Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 19, 2009, 03:34:54 AM
Brother Marcus, I must agree that your kit honoring the Knights of St.John is right on!  I too look forward to more images as well!

Thank you both, Brothers.  I have to admit however, you both helped greatly.  Thanks for welcoming me into the fold so warmly.

Quote from: Richard de Graeme on April 19, 2009, 08:07:36 AM
And a warm welcome to Marcus of Ibelin.

Thank you, Richard.  It is great to be here, and to meet you as well.

Pax Vobiscum!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 20, 2009, 08:35:46 AM
Brothers, the journey to the opening of GARF in the Kingdom of Newcastle, was an excellent time.

A few brief notes to share with you, day two photos will be posted in the GARF thread.

The pilgrims were very receptive of a Warrior Monk, many of the older ones first classified us as Crusaders, but amazingly the younger aged ones identified us as Templars (one as young as 6!)
Although we started with your typical kit, I noticed that when I swapped the mail coif for what I term an ATC (Arab table cloth), the request for photos and historical questions increased dramatically. Although I didn't have the heart to tell them that my checkered ATC was period inappropriate (back then solids were the standard), it appeared to help them relate, and become more receptive to inquiring and listening to my rants. This plays into what we've discussed before Brother William. ;D

Sister Hatchet still suffers from bouts of sporadic "heresy-mia", but she and her good Lord Scott were great company during our days. I did my best to recruit him, but it appears the level of "heresy-mia" contagiousness he's been exposed to might be terminal. We will pray for him. And Sister Hatchet...you rock! Too bad ASHley de Coals didn't make herself known.

I also wanted to get a Papal shout out  (let me hear it Brothers....DEUS VULT!) to the Blakduke. The wandering King is in a league of his own, and wants it known that he welcomes the Warrior Monks of the Orders in his Kingdoms....yes, he's that awesome...he has several!

The Lady Lefay and I plan to make another trip to the Kingdom of Newcastle before they close their gates to seasonal migration. It also appears that a crusade to the Kingdom of Carolinia may be in order as well, or so her majesty informs me.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 20, 2009, 08:45:04 AM
BTW, as many can tell, we left the Princess to defend the Preceptory, with the promise of tangible reward. This was taken moments after our return, and having presented her the gifts she sought....

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0661.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0625.jpg)


And Brother William, I couldn't resist, I had to represent! :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 20, 2009, 09:57:02 AM
It sounds as if everyone had a great time, one could only wish he could of attended.  We did wonder where princess Brynn was during the festivities, and now we know.  One couldn't of left the fortress in more capable hands.   Its is also somewhat amazing too that more interest was sparked with the ATC.  Safe returns to the Carolinas for Sister Hatchet, Lord Scott and the boys,  and 'hats-off to Lord Blakeduke for welcoming our fellow brethren into his realm with open arms.. Huzzah!

Before venturing, Princess Sarah of McCordia wanted me to thank everyone for the Natal Day Wishes. She enjoyed your kind words immencely.  And if I may share a few off-topic images of her enjoying some of her Natal request....

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2yud2d3.jpg)

Horseback riding lessons. For a father that has spent many of hours in the saddle it was an absolute joy to see her solo on a trustworthy steed.

Heading course for Acre. She also took the helm by herself for the first time

(http://i44.tinypic.com/kb9gt5.jpg)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/se21cw.jpg)

It strikes me funny because the only thing I had to float on at her age was an inner tube. It won't be to much longer she and will be helping dad out on the water (http://i41.tinypic.com/10zvfnk.jpg)

WM
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 20, 2009, 10:02:57 AM
Almost forgot, it was good to see Templar Jesse (even though he was dressed as a scullywag) in attendance with his friend who suffered from that most unfortunate ATV accident.  Welcome back brother!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 20, 2009, 10:32:34 AM
Awesome shots of the Princess, Brother William. I fear that the horse will push Lady LeFay over the edge, since she's been wanting to get one for Brynn for years now.

Yes, Brother Jesse appeared to be a relapsed heretic in his "piratical" attire, but at least I can now place a face with the poster. He promises pennance for it, and should be reappearing shortly in more appropriate attire.

Let it be known that Lord Scott does review our posts here, and looks for all the historical data, so we're getting around! Deus vult!

And just in case he reads this, and I know for sure Sister Hatchet will:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/GARFMonks.jpg

Straight out of Webster's!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on April 20, 2009, 01:19:26 PM
IT was nothing short of great meeting everyone yesterday! WM, i was wondering if you would care if i add the two group shots, to my myspace?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 20, 2009, 02:04:57 PM
Feel free to. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 20, 2009, 02:49:44 PM
TJ....I need to approve those pictures before posting on MySpace....unless of course you were able to capture my natural "glow"  ;) :P Warrior Monk failed to mention that had it not been for my keen eyesight and preternatural senses, your group would of gone unrecognized!

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2204.jpg)

My only GARF regret was that you could not join us Brother Marcus, it would of completed the merriment, errr, I mean, assembly.  Belated birthday tidings to your beautiful daughter!  One need not look far for manifestation of the Goddess!

Warrior Monk, I fear that all your conversion efforts (I was served with authentic excommunication papers within minutes of arriving within the walls of Fair Haven!)  have backfired!  It seems that all vestiges of the exorcism conducted by Brother Marcus have fallen away and I have returned to my "au naturel" state!  Blesssed Be!   ;) :P

Unfortunately my young and impressionable squires have not faired as well....I cannot seem to interest them in any other playthings besides the Templar and Hospitaller Knights figurines generously given to them by Warrior Monk....such treachery!   ;) ;D

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2189.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 20, 2009, 03:06:57 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 20, 2009, 02:49:44 PM
My only GARF regret was that you could not join us Brother Marcus, it would of completed the merriment, errr, I mean, assembly.  Belated birthday tidings to your beautiful daughter!  One need not look far for manifestation of the Goddess!

Thank you for the kind words.  I truly wish I could of been there.


Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 20, 2009, 02:49:44 PM
I cannot seem to interest them in any other playthings besides the Templar and Hospitaller Knights figurines generously given to them by Warrior Monk....such treachery!   

(http://i41.tinypic.com/10zvfnk.jpg)  (http://i44.tinypic.com/2mq54eu.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 20, 2009, 03:10:07 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 20, 2009, 02:49:44 PM
Unfortunately my young and impressionable squires have not faired as well....I cannot seem to interest them in any other playthings besides the Templar and Hospitaller Knights figurines generously given to them by Warrior Monk....such treachery!   ;) ;D

Children, they do have stronger immune systems, than those of us advanced in age and experience. I am so glad I saved them! :P ;D

Sister Hatchet requested that I clarify the nature of one of the photos, so I've tried to convey the theme as clear as possible...

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Holywater.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 20, 2009, 03:26:04 PM
Priceless Warrior Monk.....that is exactly what I said!   ;D :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 20, 2009, 03:28:05 PM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/4tlxdj.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 20, 2009, 03:36:12 PM
And not like everyone else's minds pictured it.....

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Holywater-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 20, 2009, 03:51:58 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 20, 2009, 02:49:44 PM

My only GARF regret was that you could not join us Brother Marcus, it would of completed the merriment, errr, I mean, assembly.  Belated birthday tidings to your beautiful daughter!  One need not look far for manifestation of the Goddess!


Hey what am i chopped Liver? I wish i had got there in time to meet everyone outside the gates
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: BLAKDUKE on April 20, 2009, 05:31:44 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 20, 2009, 08:35:46 AM
I also wanted to get a Papal shout out  (let me hear it Brothers....DEUS VULT!) to the Blakduke. The wandering King is in a league of his own, and wants it known that he welcomes the Warrior Monks of the Orders in his Kingdoms....yes, he's that awesome...he has several!

I appreciate the kind words, my brother, if I may be allowed to call you that, for though I am not a Templar in the flesh, I share the heart of them all, and know full well that when they visit any Kingdom I reign in, that we are fully protected from any and all foes. 

That said, Count Adolpho is planning a visit memorial day weekend and although I have not mentioned it to my better half,  I am thinking of visiting at least one day of that weekend to visit with my friend the count.  Mayhap if all works out well per-adventure we may combine travel
and go up together.  Unless you are planning on staying the weekend.  I think I will be only able to go one day.  I may wear the title of King, but only with the Queens permission( you all know how that plays out).       
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 21, 2009, 07:28:49 AM
This may be a plan. I'm trying to get a few more of the lads here to join me. Currently you know of my travel demands. I was planning on trying to make the TNRF this year, if Frere Mikael was able to attend. I am awaiting word from him on this. May 23-25th seems reasonable as a plan for me at the moment, but I'm at the beck and call of my active duty family, should they require my services before they depart.

We wouldn't stay the weekend, and we is Lady LeFay and the Princess this time, for I was chastised by a five year old when she saw us pick her up in our garb, and she realized where we'd been.... >:(

I shall keep my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 21, 2009, 08:43:40 PM
and just to assure all the Brothers on the thread that I continue my good works.....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2205.jpg)

not even the mightiest are spared.....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2198.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 21, 2009, 09:06:11 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on April 20, 2009, 03:51:58 PM
Hey what am i chopped Liver? I wish i had got there in time to meet everyone outside the gates

Of course you are not mangled organ flesh Militissa!   ;)  As Warrior Monk can attest to, I asked after you several times and eagerly sought out the fabled "blue hat".    :'(  I am quite disappointed that I did not encounter you! 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 21, 2009, 09:33:01 PM
I know i looked all over for yall too.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 21, 2009, 11:01:56 PM
Friday, April 24, 2009
____________________________________________________



8-10pm -- The Templar Code -
For nearly two centuries, the Knights Templar were the medieval world's most powerful order, a fearsome and unstoppable Crusader militia. Then came accusations of unspeakable crimes. Who were the Templars, really? How did they become so powerful, so fast, and why did they fall just as quickly? Evidence hints that the Templars excavated under Jerusalem's Temple of Solomon. What did they find there? Was it, as The Da Vinci Code suggests, the true identity of the Holy Grail--the bloodline of Christ? Or an unimaginable treasure, documented in the Dead Sea Scrolls, buried 1,000 years before Christ's birth? We explore the Templar's origin, how they lived, trained, fought and became a medieval world power, and the suspicious circumstances behind their sudden downfall. Plus, we reveal why these warriors, dead for seven centuries, and their treasure still populate Hollywood blockbusters. Narrated by Ed Herrmann and featuring preeminent Templar authors.



10-12am -- The Kings: From Babylon to Baghdad -
The history of the hotspot now known as Iraq was written in blood. Ancient kings leading the world's first armies fought for total control of the fertile lands of Mesopotamia. Their cities and empires, the earliest on earth, rose and fell through warfare, invasion, and conquest. In the modern age, Iraq provided a stage for European imperialism and more recently, a focal point in U.S. foreign policy. Our 2-hour look at this historical ground zero recounts its story through its leaders, from Sargon the Great to Saddam Hussein, and brings its history to life with compelling dramatic recreations, captivating location photography, and archaeological artifacts. Notable historians, scholars, experts, and policy makers draw connections and relevance between ancient and modern Iraq through its government, culture, and religion.


(http://i42.tinypic.com/2mn2nfc.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 22, 2009, 08:49:55 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 21, 2009, 08:43:40 PM
and just to assure all the Brothers on the thread that I continue my good works.....

not even the mightiest are spared.....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2198.jpg)


See how the Monk resists Evil's temptations, remaining true to the Rule! ;D ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 22, 2009, 09:00:18 AM
And a few humorous tidbits to hold the thread pilgrims over for the rest of the week:

A Saracen Sultan is leading his army on a raid in Christian held territory when he spots an armored figure on a hill. It is a lone Knight Templar.

The Sultan orders "Horse archers, attack!" Horse archers roar into action, charging up the hill. They follow the Knight Templar over the crest where many screams for mercy are heard. 5 minutes later the Knight Templar returns on top of the hill.

The Sultan is surprised and orders his Saracen Faris to attack. The same thing happens, and the Knight Templar is still standing on the hill.

The Sultan, now furious, orders his personal Mameluke bodyguard to attack. This time there is a difference: one Saracen Mameluke manages to stagger back over the hill and to the Sultan. He reports:

"M'Lord, it was a trick! There's two of them!"

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/verytallmidget/COMS%20213%20Project/arn-the-knight-templar.jpg)

or...

Spotting the differences:

A Teutonic Knight carries a 60 lbs of armor 5 miles through the mud and thinks "this is sh*t."

A Hospitaller Knight rides on his horse, carries 120 lbs of armor and medicinal gear 10 miles through a barren desert and thinks "this is good sh*t."

A Templar Knight rides on his war horse during a sand storm into Saracen strongholds, carries a 150 lbs of armor and divinely blessed war making material 25 miles through enemy lines and thinks "I love this sh*t!"

A secular Knight sits down at his castle in his lavishly decorated keep and hears the town crier is unavailable for news from the Outremer and asks "what kind of sh*t is this?"

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 22, 2009, 10:04:30 AM
Bravo! Rofl... those are great!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 22, 2009, 11:30:21 AM
 An observation....

(http://i42.tinypic.com/r0wlrb.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 22, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
I'll accept this observation at face value, but actually, as it was taken, I made mention that it would look a little weird as I was on a mound under the tree. To be fair though, Confrere Sean is under 6' in stature, but makes up for it in interest and commitment. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 22, 2009, 12:40:07 PM
How many times must I say it? 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 22, 2009, 02:05:12 PM
 ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on April 22, 2009, 02:32:17 PM
OH NO! Not size again. :o HAW...HAW...HAW. ;D

FF...you have stirred the pot. ;)

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.

Padre Verde
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 22, 2009, 02:47:56 PM
Right you are Frère Vert!   ;)

Order of the Hatchet Rule #22

'Tis not the size of the hatchet but the finesse of the wielder
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 22, 2009, 02:51:22 PM
That title of Mother Confessor just seems to be slipping away....... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 22, 2009, 03:00:25 PM
Your Eminence, I do believe that there is more than enough evidence and support on these forums (and at home  :P) to prove that I was kissing your Holiness's hiney this weekend past.....
:P :D ;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on April 22, 2009, 03:02:16 PM
FF...thou art a bright light...Sister of the Spring Fires ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 22, 2009, 04:04:58 PM
That is one of the most magnificent titles I have ever heard Green Monk!  Lovely!

*swoons*


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on April 22, 2009, 04:08:30 PM
Fitting and well earned brave and gentle Lady. 8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 22, 2009, 07:53:10 PM
Wow...get busy for a few days and all sorts of mischief and mayhem break out!

WM...I didnt see that pic as you resisting Evil's temptations.  I thought she was thanking you for showing her the way!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 22, 2009, 08:22:00 PM
Yes, yes, that could be it! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 22, 2009, 09:22:00 PM
Well done Brother Marcus.  :D

I wish I could recall if that was the way to the mead tent or the way to the privy......     ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 23, 2009, 02:29:01 AM
Either way, a fair thank you for services rendered, me thinks.

And now a question, dear Brothers.....where to get a nice shield blank?  From what I can learn, most of our shields would have been wood, not the metal ones sold on the 'bay. That, and there's no Hospitaller love!  Hehe...mostly "Templar'ish" things.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 23, 2009, 05:29:19 AM
You are absolutely correct Brother, wood, or wood with a leather cover/face. I will look for some sites, but stay away from West Wolf Renaissance on Ebay, unless you want to do a lot of the work yourself to get it ready. :-\
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 23, 2009, 07:54:32 AM
Real Armor of God supposedly has several models to choice from. However, If one decides to order from them be careful as some of us have had problems with them claiming they have particular items in stock in which they didn't, which resulted in prolonged deliveries if any at all. Regardless, it is a good reference for further search as these particular shields are of good quality.

http://www.realarmorofgod.com/store/html/Products/Shields/Other-Shields/Wooden-Shields-Unpainte-317.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 23, 2009, 12:49:54 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/WM.jpg)


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Recognition.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 23, 2009, 01:43:21 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on April 23, 2009, 02:29:01 AM
Either way, a fair thank you for services rendered, me thinks.

And now a question, dear Brothers.....where to get a nice shield blank?  From what I can learn, most of our shields would have been wood, not the metal ones sold on the 'bay. That, and there's no Hospitaller love!  Hehe...mostly "Templar'ish" things.

DIY guides:

http://www.ehow.com/how_4676106_kite-shield.html
http://www.larp.com/midgard/shield.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 23, 2009, 04:03:01 PM
Gramercy Warrior Monk!  It was indeed a pleasure to be a part of your entourage at GARF.  Time well spent that passed too quickly!

I'll have to work on my new confession rituals.  I believe the ceremony shall begin with a chaste kiss.....   ;)


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 23, 2009, 05:21:13 PM
Crom's thunder! Didn't see that coming! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 23, 2009, 06:05:23 PM
But she'll have 'em lining up to confess!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 23, 2009, 06:40:54 PM
lol ff you got a new title wonders what i would have got if not stuck in traffic
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 23, 2009, 10:37:30 PM
Here's a book I've been reading and enjoying lately.  Not sure if anyone here has discovered it yet.  It's kind of hard to come by it seems.

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/16549754.jpg)

The Medieval Soldier by Vesey Norman.

The first 2/3 of the book cover the different Dark Age peoples that would develop into the feudal system, then feudalism itself and how it developed into chivalry and knighting.  The last third of the book, the final 4 chapters, deals with the Orders, the Crusades and the arms and armor of the crusaders, and their ships.

This is the Barnes and Noble synopsis:

The author outlines the development of the undisciplined barbarian war bands of the Dark Ages into the feudal armies of the early Middle Ages. It deals with the arms and equipments of the soldier, not only from surviving specimens but also from descriptions in contemporary medieval documents. Vesey Norman covers the slow development of tactics and the transition of the warrior from a personal follower of a war leader to the knight who served his feudal overlord as a heavily armoured cavalryman in return for land.He details the attitude of the Church to warfare, the rise of chivalry and the development of the knights of the military orders, the Templars, the Hospitallers and the Teutonic Knights.

He answers such questions as what classes of men made up the army, who commanded them, and how they were equipped, paid and organized. Since armies frequently has to be transported by water, a brief description of contemporary ships in included.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 24, 2009, 05:28:52 AM
I have this one in my collection. It's a solid book and worth getting. Just for some of the info on general medieval combat conditions. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 24, 2009, 07:32:49 AM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on April 23, 2009, 06:05:23 PM
But she'll have 'em lining up to confess!

Since opening weekend, it's been hell!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/MotherConfessorlineup.jpg)

:P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 24, 2009, 08:37:55 AM
Speaking of the fiery pit...

(http://i40.tinypic.com/32zq5ch.jpg)

Sports fan?? WTF is that about???


For confessions of the listed sins. See Femme Falchion for more details
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on April 24, 2009, 09:35:50 AM
A lovely bedtime story for the kiddies. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 24, 2009, 12:26:08 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 24, 2009, 08:37:55 AM
Speaking of the fiery pit...

(http://i40.tinypic.com/32zq5ch.jpg)

Sports fan?? WTF is that about???


For confessions of the listed sins. See Femme Falchion for more details

legalistic since when is watching or playing sports a sin?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 24, 2009, 12:52:31 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on April 24, 2009, 12:26:08 PM
legalistic since when is watching or playing sports a sin?

Hehe....depends on which team you're cheering for.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 24, 2009, 01:14:59 PM
Militissa, I don't think it's so much the playing and watching sports that secures a spot in purgatory, it's being completely devoted to and worshiping a false idol...or it's the general entropy (sloth) that occurs from watching too much television....  ;) :P

FYI, on principle, I am not able to take confessions on all of the "Hell's Most Wanted" List.

Now, where did I put those batteries?   ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on April 24, 2009, 01:40:23 PM
Well said Sister!

Mayest anyone change this gold for silver? (Hmmm...must prepare...having an evolving premonition...will meet a Wiccan street walker at the upcoming Fire Circle...) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 24, 2009, 01:56:00 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 24, 2009, 01:14:59 PM
Militissa, I don't think it's so much the playing and watching sports that secures a spot in purgatory, it's being completely devoted to and worshiping a false idol...or it's the general entropy (sloth) that occurs from watching too much television....  ;) :P



that should fit worshipping of false idols.

but to be just an average everyday sportsfan i don't have any person on any team i look at in highly they just people playing a game. some great games like baseball and Hockey and i do have my favorite teams and uhhhh i play hockey( i don't think I worship myself)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 24, 2009, 02:13:00 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on April 24, 2009, 01:56:00 PM
and i do have my favorite teams and uhhhh i play hockey ( i don't think I worship myself)

*smooch*
As Mother Confessor, I do accept your disclosure.  I suggest you start worshipping yourself immediately.  You'll feel much better.   ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 24, 2009, 02:33:29 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/cartoon_lightning.gif)
              :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 24, 2009, 03:19:45 PM
**OUCH!**  :o :o It's getting a little warm in here....

Many pardons your Eminence.   ::) :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 24, 2009, 03:37:47 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on April 24, 2009, 12:52:31 PM
Hehe....depends on which team you're cheering for.

RO!

Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 24, 2009, 01:14:59 PM
Now, where did I put those batteries?   ;)

OMG

Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on April 24, 2009, 01:56:00 PM
i do have my favorite teams and uhhhh i play hockey

Quit it.....you play hockey???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 24, 2009, 03:41:45 PM

Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on April 24, 2009, 01:56:00 PM
i do have my favorite teams and uhhhh i play hockey

Quit it.....you play hockey???
[/quote]

street hockey but yess i play hockey
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 24, 2009, 03:42:53 PM
Daaaaang..yoooou go sister!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 24, 2009, 04:00:36 PM
 ;D I haven't played in two weeks can't wait to play tomorrow
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 24, 2009, 04:18:27 PM
I'm sure the Militissa has many divine skills that we are unaware of.

That's cool Lady De Pond!   8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 24, 2009, 04:20:10 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 24, 2009, 03:37:47 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on April 24, 2009, 01:56:00 PM
i do have my favorite teams and uhhhh i play hockey

Quit it.....you play hockey???

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc46/Kinjhal/EKG_Flatline.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 25, 2009, 02:59:30 PM
Rofl

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 25, 2009, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 24, 2009, 04:20:10 PM


(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc46/Kinjhal/EKG_Flatline.jpg)

"Warrior Monk, Warrior Monk!  Are you ok?"  *Shakes the huge shoulder of the fallen Knight on the floor*

"Is there a Hospitallier in the house?"  *Begins throwing off weapons in order to reach her healing bags and medicinal herbs*

"Quick, bring in the leeches, let the blood-letting begin!" 

"May I take a final confession Brother?"  ;) :D

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 25, 2009, 09:28:48 PM
**whips out the paddles**

Clear!

ZAP!!

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/2006_01_25ekg.jpg)

Looks like he's back.

If that doesnt work....I can always post pics of the new steel war horse I got over the weekend...that should get the blood pumping!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on April 26, 2009, 09:54:35 AM
Sayeth Corbie to the other,"Drat...we must wait for dinner sweet!" Says other back at he,"Call me naught but patient, me Brother." (Flap of wing and rush of air...the two dark silhouettes shrink in the distance...)

The Sun rises upon a new day. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 26, 2009, 10:25:59 AM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on April 25, 2009, 09:28:48 PM
Looks like he's back.

If that doesn't work....I can always post pics of the new steel war horse I got over the weekend...that should get the blood pumping!  ;)[/color]

Merci beaucoup,Frère Marcus. And we are interested in this new steed...


For the Almighty knoweth how to deliver the godly (Warrior Monks) ;) out of temptations...

Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 25, 2009, 08:38:06 PM
"May I take a final confession Brother?"  ;) :D


Funny you should request Hospitallers, as the last Grand Master to die in Acre was actually attended by a Brother of the Hospital, left behind to care for the injured Templars. Doing what his Order was founded for: caring for the sick, wounded, and the dying.
Where as the only first aid techniques taught to Brothers of the Temple, we along the simple lines of : Starting the bleeding and stopping the breathing!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on April 26, 2009, 10:38:59 AM
Welcome back Brother Monk! Fortune smiles upon thee in the form of thy many caring attendents. :)

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 26, 2009, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 26, 2009, 10:25:59 AM
Merci beaucoup,Frère Marcus. And we are interested in this new steed...

You are most welcome, Brother Cliff.  I'm here to serve.

And as requested:

On the show room floor, waiting to be mine.  Sorry for the crappy picture.  Its the cell phone.  :o

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0035.jpg)

After it had been placed into my care and ridden home.  ;D

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0036.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 26, 2009, 06:32:15 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 26, 2009, 10:25:59 AM
Where as the only first aid techniques taught to Brothers of the Temple, we along the simple lines of : Starting the bleeding and stopping the breathing!

Precisely why I called for the leeches Templar!   ;)

I would like to think of your resurrection as a divine collaboration between Brother Marcus and myself.... ;)  And to think....all this because Lady De Pond confessed to playing roller derby!   ;) :)

Cool new ride Brother Marcus   8) .....although I'm sure according to some doctrine, those wheels are a sin!   ;) :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 26, 2009, 08:52:43 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 26, 2009, 06:32:15 PM
Cool new ride Brother Marcus   8) .....although I'm sure according to some doctrine, those wheels are a sin!   ;) :)

Nay, sister.  Every knight needs a solid destrier to ride into battle and upon which to slay the infidel and mini-van!  However, it could be said I am paying some penance....  Upon getting it safely stabled in my garage, the skies opened up and I now appear to have a week of rainy weather ahead, which will keep me from my patrol. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 26, 2009, 09:44:26 PM
Congratulations, as it is a magnificent steel horse brother Marcus.

Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 26, 2009, 06:32:15 PM
Cool new ride Brother Marcus   8) .....although I'm sure according to some doctrine, those wheels are a sin! 


Not in any of our doctrines. Quite acceptable indeed sister.  ;) ;D

Behold!


(http://i39.tinypic.com/vgpj15.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/wgutfb.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/19vw5s.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 27, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
Nevertheless, I am surprised that some of the Order's Rules did not clarify a warrior's mount. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Manwariel on April 27, 2009, 07:46:24 PM
Just poking my head in to say I was looking at someone's GARF pictures on MySpace and noticed a couple of Warrior Monk - http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=213816919&albumId=1618403&page=6 (they're near the bottom of the page).

Oh, and isn't this Femme Falchion? http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=213816919&albumID=1618403&imageID=26025304

And this fellow reminds me of Jesse - http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=213816919&albumID=1618403&imageID=26025543 but I'm not sure if it's him or not.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 27, 2009, 07:50:22 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 27, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
Nevertheless, I am surprised that some of the Order's Rules did not clarify a warrior's mount. 

Primitive Rule of the Templars (clarification):

51. Each knight brother may have three horses and no more without the permission of the Master, because of the great poverty which exists at the present time in the house of God and of the Temple of Solomon. To each knight brother we grant three horses (or in special cases just one if it be of the Harley Davidson stables for those are known for their toughness and durability in demands placed upon them in the service of the Order) and one squire, and if that squire willingly serves charity, the brother should not beat him for any sin he commits.

That No Brother May Have an Ornate Bridle

52. We utterly forbid any brother to have gold or silver on his bridle, nor on his stirrups, nor on his spurs. That is, if he buys them (or in special cases if it be of the Harley Davidson stables for those are known for unique colorations which happen naturally and can be employed in the service of the Order); but if it happens that a harness is given to him in charity which is so old that the gold or silver is tarnished, that the resplendent beauty is not seen by others nor pride taken in them: then he may have them. But if he is given new equipment let the Master deal with it as he sees fit.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 27, 2009, 07:54:11 PM
Quote from: Manwariel on April 27, 2009, 07:46:24 PM
Just poking my head in to say I was looking at someone's GARF pictures on MySpace and noticed a couple of Warrior Monk - http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=213816919&albumId=1618403&page=6 (they're near the bottom of the page).

Oh, and isn't this Femme Falchion? http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=213816919&albumID=1618403&imageID=26025304

And this fellow reminds me of Jesse - http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=213816919&albumID=1618403&imageID=26025543 but I'm not sure if it's him or not.

Many thanks, and well done M'Lady!

You have identified all of the posts correctly!

Will you be attending Memorial Day weekend?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 28, 2009, 09:18:41 AM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/30aqemp.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on April 28, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
And this fellow reminds me of Jesse - http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=213816919&albumID=1618403&imageID=26025543 but I'm not sure if it's him or not.
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Thanks for finding that picture, it is me, and its now my default on myspace haha!!!!!!!!thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 28, 2009, 12:08:02 PM
Gramercy for bringing those pictures to our attention Lady Manwariel.....they are excellent pictures of WM and TJ.  TJ you looked every bit the part....Bravo.   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 28, 2009, 12:46:16 PM
now the challenge is to find me rofl seems no one was able to

either i was invisable or i blended too well
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 28, 2009, 01:53:13 PM
Sister....I believe you were being shy.  :)

I will admit being somewhat apprehensive about formal introductions with Warrior Monk, particularly given the repetitive threats to burn at the steak,  :o excommunications  :o and revocation of various trophies and titles  :o *stops to take a breath*....so I watched him saunter the grounds with his Confrere for a time and then turned my small warriors-in-training on him to cast their cantrips.  When my children were greeted warmly I could relax.  And when in the company of the fine Lady he attends, one is assured a most pleasant time.   ;D

Their family will be hard to miss the next time you are in Fairhaven.  Just look for the blinding white robes on the big guy.   ;) :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 28, 2009, 01:58:54 PM
ahhh ff i really think we were on the opposite ends of the faire all day since i did run into dallen and his crew and maybe i was a little shy but i looked for yall all day i've even looked in everyone's pics whos posted and still no one spotted me
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on April 28, 2009, 03:50:08 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 28, 2009, 09:18:41 AM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/30aqemp.jpg)

Sir William, kind Sir, did you capture this joust? If so, where?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Manwariel on April 28, 2009, 04:53:55 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 27, 2009, 07:54:11 PM
Many thanks, and well done M'Lady!

You have identified all of the posts correctly!

Will you be attending Memorial Day weekend?

No, I don't think I'll end up going then. I'm probably going this Sunday with my two sisters, and it might be the last visit this year.

You're welcome :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 28, 2009, 06:25:50 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on April 28, 2009, 01:53:13 PM
I will admit being somewhat apprehensive about formal introductions with Warrior Monk, ....so I watched him saunter the grounds with his Confrere for a time and then turned my small warriors-in-training on him to cast their cantrips.  When my children were greeted warmly I could relax.  And when in the company of the fine Lady he attends, one is assured a most pleasant time.   ;D

Their family will be hard to miss the next time you are in Fairhaven.  Just look for the blinding white robes on the big guy.   ;) :)

I am shocked!  :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 28, 2009, 06:27:46 PM
Quote from: Manwariel on April 28, 2009, 04:53:55 PM
No, I don't think I'll end up going then. I'm probably going this Sunday with my two sisters, and it might be the last visit this year.

We are saddened by the news, but wish you well. :)

This weekend will be used to visit Museum Replicas and their big sale, as I return from this work trip.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 29, 2009, 11:00:14 AM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on April 28, 2009, 03:50:08 PM
Sir William, kind Sir, did you capture this joust?

Wish I did, unfortunately I did not.


Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 28, 2009, 06:27:46 PM
This weekend will be used to visit Museum Replicas and their big sale.

It's probably a good thing I'm to far to visit that sale  ;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 30, 2009, 04:41:39 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 29, 2009, 11:00:14 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 28, 2009, 06:27:46 PM
This weekend will be used to visit Museum Replicas and their big sale.

It's probably a good thing I'm to far to visit that sale  ;)



Seconded.  That would be bad for the wallet.  :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 30, 2009, 02:16:21 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2wrm6me.jpg)

Just finished viewing  Arn II- The Kingdom at Road's End, and it freekin ROCKS! (http://i41.tinypic.com/15s4ot2.jpg)(http://i41.tinypic.com/15s4ot2.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on April 30, 2009, 03:14:31 PM
Arn is not available on Netflix. Did you buy a copyand of Arn II also?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 30, 2009, 05:24:27 PM
You should be able to find a download on the net.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/35k3nkh.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 01, 2009, 02:08:24 AM
How do you get to even see the first one!?!?  :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 01, 2009, 11:50:59 AM
Arn, Knight Templar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex6vtvn8k7E&feature=player_embedded

Then go to each succeeding number to view film in order...

Arn II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeTsACy8sm4&feature=player_embedded

Follow same instructions as above....

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 01, 2009, 09:23:33 PM
sweet thats how i watched the Nativity story ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 02, 2009, 12:16:01 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 29, 2009, 11:00:14 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on April 28, 2009, 06:27:46 PM
This weekend will be used to visit Museum Replicas and their big sale.

It's probably a good thing I'm to far to visit that sale  ;)



Unbelievable, I went to this event, and got there about 10 minutes after opening, and it was packed!
They had two sales going on:

1st-the showroom floor (where I acquired some Celtic items for the Queen, and a lance/spearhead for my 14" Army donated lance, and the Crusader priest ensemble.)

2nd a sale in the back on discontinued and damaged items ( I picked up a Teutonic Knight puzzle/posable figurine for the Princess, and believe it or not, the KoH Tiberias sword and Reynald Scabbard w/belt for 100.00-the leather is damaged but I can fix it!)


I could have easily bankrupted the Templar account, but discipline prevailed. Now to get to work on some things for a modified appearance at GARF on the Memorial Day weekend!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 02, 2009, 12:42:22 PM
What Brothers Templar & Hospitallier are up to this weekend.....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2209.jpg)

and yesterday....they could not help but join the in May Day spirit....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2243.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 02, 2009, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 02, 2009, 12:42:22 PM
What Brothers Templar & Hospitallier are up to this weekend.....

and yesterday....they could not help but join the in May Day spirit....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2243.jpg)



Notice how they accent the natural colors of the garden....... 8)


(I realize your subtle attempt at leaving them in the "mulch" so that the young aspiring applicants of the Orders forget about them.......out of sight - out of mind...)  :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 02, 2009, 06:11:21 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 02, 2009, 02:48:15 PM
(I realize your subtle attempt at leaving them in the "mulch" so that the young aspiring applicants of the Orders forget about them.......out of sight - out of mind...)  :P ;) ;D

Not at all Warrior Monk!  In fact, they participate fully in all the activities of the Grove. 

If they could speak, I'm certain that they too would confess to enjoying this Sister's spring fire. 

Now I am inspired to do a weekly picture series....... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 03, 2009, 07:34:27 AM
They rest among the Stacchus (Lamb's Ears). How appropriate. ;)

Merry Beltane to all!

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 03, 2009, 02:04:58 PM
One of the items I picked up yesterday was the MR Crusader figure:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/MRCrusader.jpg)

And with a small amount of effort.....

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/CTTCrusader.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 03, 2009, 07:50:37 PM
Much improved!  I'm surprised you didn't darken the facial hair.   ;) :D

What's it's size?


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 03, 2009, 07:51:52 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 03, 2009, 07:50:37 PM
Much improved!  I'm surprised you didn't darken the facial hair.   ;) :D

What's it's size?




Two inches shorter than your height advantage!  :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 03, 2009, 10:13:18 PM

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/CTTCrusader.jpg)


Kinda reminds me of................me (http://i42.tinypic.com/2rw9mko.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 04, 2009, 05:31:58 AM
I knew I'd seen him somewhere before......... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 04, 2009, 07:44:12 AM
A stunning likeness, I must say!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 04, 2009, 08:23:08 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 03, 2009, 07:51:52 PM

Two inches shorter than your height advantage!  :P ;) ;D


If I wasn't already stunningly statuesque I would find your chaffing quite vexing!  :P 


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 04, 2009, 08:33:46 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 04, 2009, 05:31:58 AM
I knew I'd seen him somewhere before......... :P

Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on May 04, 2009, 07:44:12 AM
A stunning likeness, I must say!

Thank you brothers. The ladies of the court say its the moustache  ;)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/24q1h7a.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 04, 2009, 08:43:22 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 04, 2009, 08:23:08 AM
If I wasn't already stunningly statuesque I would find your chaffing quite vexing!  :P 

That's caused by strict adherence to the Rule in regards to hygiene.......the rest....I'm not touching! :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 04, 2009, 09:28:06 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 04, 2009, 08:23:08 AM
If I wasn't already stunningly statuesque I would find your chaffing quite vexing!  :P 


However, not every man can claim his own action figure!

:D

Finally got to enjoy in the first Faire this weekend as well.  No pictures to share unfortunately, as both My Lady and I were fighting with the Viking hordes in the combat display. 

In two weeks time, however, I'll be able to patrol my other home Kingdom in the vestments of my Order and will get pictures to share!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 04, 2009, 11:13:56 AM
We anticipate the new images brother Marcus
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 04, 2009, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on May 04, 2009, 09:28:06 AM
However, not every man can claim his own action figure!

Brother Marcus, I think the men on this thread claim more than enough......particularly given their vows of "poverty"   :P ;) ;D

I hope that you know all your faire pictures would be most welcomed, no matter what warrior garb you are donning.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 04, 2009, 12:39:06 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 04, 2009, 08:43:22 AM
That's caused by strict adherence to the Rule in regards to hygiene.......the rest....I'm not touching! :P ;D ;)

your interpretation suggests you're due for a confession Warrior Monk.  :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 04, 2009, 01:06:16 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 04, 2009, 12:02:33 PM
I hope that you know all your faire pictures would be most welcomed, no matter what warrior garb you are donning.

Oh, I've no doubt, dear Lady, its just with both wife and I fighting, we didnt have time to take pictures, lol.  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 04, 2009, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 04, 2009, 12:02:33 PM
I think the men on this thread claim more than enough......particularly given their vows of "poverty"   :P ;) ;D

Brothers, again witness how those not of the "fold" attempt to undermine the Order's credibility in the eyes of the masses. We as "individuals" have none of the luxuries that larger more established fraternities have (ie; Ren pins, gatherings, and etc.), but as a combined team, we share the wealth of knowledge (purchase sites, history, and other resources) that make it appear as if we're wealthy beyond measure. ;)

Sister, it is only a matter of time before M'Lord Scott embraces the concept and joins us in the Crusade against the "danes"! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 04, 2009, 01:47:13 PM
It is not of material claims that I speak but of these claims....

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/BrotherfromanotherMother.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Crusaders-1.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/posterWM.jpg)
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(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/peasants.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/BRFMO.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 04, 2009, 02:23:49 PM
I don't see how we can be held at fault for merely restating the obvious..... :P ;D

Has not those of our Sister branch done the same......."If I wasn't already stunningly statuesque"  :o ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 04, 2009, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 04, 2009, 01:47:13 PM
It is not of material claims that I speak but of these claims....

blah..blah....blah........blah........

I fear you left one out....

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/poster15783624.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 04, 2009, 10:20:55 PM
Deus Vult!

Deus Vult!

Deus Vult!

Deus Vult!

Deus Vult!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 05, 2009, 07:37:48 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on May 04, 2009, 10:20:55 PM
Deus Vult!

Deus Vult!

Deus Vult!

Deus Vult!

Deus Vult!



(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/withoutmarksb8-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 05, 2009, 08:55:26 AM
Statuesque indeed...rigid...as stone. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 05, 2009, 10:21:33 AM
*Patiently waiting for Sister Hatchets reply* (http://i43.tinypic.com/2e64un5.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 05, 2009, 10:32:34 AM
Indeed! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 05, 2009, 01:39:55 PM
Oh knowledgeable ones of all things Templar,

Whilst we wait pensively for FF's response; in Kingdom of Heaven - the Director's Cut (which I watched recently) there are two striking scenes (among the many) in particular: 1) The aftermath of the Battle of Hattin, the aerial view of the carnage and the vultures picking over the remains of the fallen. Unable to find a photo of that scene. 2) When Balian arrives at his Father's house and enters the hall, there is a mural on the wall of dancing skeletons with an inscription loosely translated as "AS WE ARE, SO SHALL YE BE". What is the exact quote in Latin and the English translation?

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 05, 2009, 02:11:28 PM
I have not found the phrase you mention anywhere (AS WE ARE, SO SHALL YE BE), but it could have been a twist on another theme by Mr Scott: (As ye sow, so shall ye reap-or- Ut sementem feceris ita metes). He was heavily criticized for his clouded portrayal of Christians and Muslims.

I will look into the movie ASAP. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 05, 2009, 02:21:51 PM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on May 05, 2009, 08:55:26 AM
Statuesque indeed...rigid...as stone. ;)

I do try not to be too unyielding Frère Verdigris, for as we all know "flexibility masters hardness"   ;) :) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 05, 2009, 02:25:33 PM
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n31/dibbera/Smileys/thfaint.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 05, 2009, 02:27:22 PM
Point well taken, Sister of Spring Fires, a crack...nay...a break would be most painfull. :( ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 05, 2009, 02:31:01 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 05, 2009, 02:11:28 PM
I have not found the phrase you mention anywhere (AS WE ARE, SO SHALL YE BE), but it could have been a twist on another theme by Mr Scott: (As ye sow, so shall ye reap-or- Ut sementem feceris ita metes). He was heavily criticized for his clouded portrayal of Christians and Muslims.

I will look into the movie ASAP. ;D

Thank thee WM. I am quite sure of the quote in it's relation of those living, soon to join the dead. Now I have an excuse to watch KOH-DC again. :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 06, 2009, 07:02:50 AM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on May 05, 2009, 01:39:55 PM
Oh knowledgeable ones of all things Templar,
Unable to find a photo of that scene. 2) When Balian arrives at his Father's house and enters the hall, there is a mural on the wall of dancing skeletons with an inscription loosely translated as "AS WE ARE, SO SHALL YE BE". What is the exact quote in Latin and the English translation?

Wish we could of helped, as we too have put forth effort to try and discover this mystery quote.  After a prolonged investigation we have come to the strong conclusion that it nothing more than something fabricated for that particular scene. (http://i39.tinypic.com/v64xn5.jpg)

Hopefully frere Cliff may discover something to shed a light on this mystery quote.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/f3ajh5.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 06, 2009, 08:51:21 AM
Thank thee for thy effort Sir William. I will watch movie again.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 06, 2009, 08:53:20 AM
Is this the one you seek:

Nemo vir est qui mundum non reddat meliorem: no one is a man who does not render the world better.

I didn't have the chance to look into the movie last night, but will have an answer for you by Monday at the latest.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 06, 2009, 09:15:31 AM
No, not the one. By "his Father's house" I meant Godfrey of Ibelin's house in the Holyland. Balian enters the Hall and sees the mural, and to the best of my memory, recites the Latin as the English translation appears on the screen.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 06, 2009, 09:59:52 AM
Thanks, I have the DC and will look into this matter.

BTW, nice avatar there Brother William. Cape pins looking good!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 06, 2009, 11:08:04 AM
I've watched the DC many times.  I wont even look at the theatrical version.  Richards recitation of the quote is near dead on from what I recall.  I remember the scene of which he's asking.  It's the scene when Balin first arrives at Ibelin.The wall border along the top of the room with dancing skeletons.  I took it to mean the same thing, that eventually everyone dies.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 06, 2009, 11:43:40 AM
Marcus, what you speak is true. The Directors Cut ties things together and is far superior to the theatrical release in my humble opinion.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 06, 2009, 01:17:13 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 06, 2009, 09:59:52 AM
BTW, nice avatar there Brother William. Cape pins looking good!

Thank you brother. 

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2u8vtwn.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 06, 2009, 01:39:40 PM
And I'm digging that awesome riveted mail!

Very Nice!!

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/borat_855_18535194_0_0_12672_300.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 06, 2009, 02:44:08 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on May 06, 2009, 11:08:04 AM
Richards recitation of the quote is near dead on from what I recall.  I remember the scene of which he's asking.  It's the scene when Balin first arrives at Ibelin.The wall border along the top of the room with dancing skeletons.  I took it to mean the same thing, that eventually everyone dies.

As the Hospitaller said to Balian when leaving for the Battle of Hattin, "All Death is certain."
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 06, 2009, 05:00:22 PM
Its been awhile, and now that I'm having flashbacks I guess I should break out the DC myself.  (http://i39.tinypic.com/2yl89p1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 06, 2009, 05:51:56 PM
Quod Sumus Hoc Eritis is a Latin phrase for " as we are you shall be ", reminding us all of the continuous circle of life.

It and the visuals in KoH, can be seen in the famous Danse Macabre.



Danse Macabre (French), is a late-medieval allegory on the universality of death: no matter one's station in life, the dance of death unites all. La Danse Macabre consists of the personified death leading a row of dancing figures from all walks of life to the grave, typically with an emperor, king, youngster, and beautiful girl—all skeletal. They were produced to remind people of how fragile their lives and how vain the glories of earthly life were. Its origins are postulated from illustrated sermon texts; the earliest artistic examples are in a cemetery in Paris from 1424. (clearly outside the realm of possibility for the 1187 time frame of the KoH scene- Ridley Scott taking liberties with history)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 06, 2009, 07:59:00 PM
Most excellent! (http://i40.tinypic.com/4tlxdj.jpg) (http://i39.tinypic.com/2d7dlav.jpg) I knew you if there was a source you would discover it. (http://i41.tinypic.com/14e5188.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 06, 2009, 08:20:52 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 06, 2009, 05:51:56 PM(clearly outside the realm of possibility for the 1187 time frame of the KoH scene- Ridley Scott taking liberties with history)

But he's NEVER done that before!  ::)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 06, 2009, 08:30:25 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on May 06, 2009, 08:20:52 PM
But he's NEVER done that before!  ::)

Yeah, everything from Hollywood should be accepted as the Gospel truth...... :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 06, 2009, 09:25:24 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 06, 2009, 05:51:56 PM
It and the visuals in KoH, can be seen in the famous Danse Macabre.

Its funny as I'm all to familiar with the Danse Macabre although I never made that connection
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 07, 2009, 06:23:23 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 06, 2009, 05:51:56 PM
Quod Sumus Hoc Eritis is a Latin phrase for " as we are you shall be ", reminding us all of the continuous circle of life.

It and the visuals in KoH, can be seen in the famous Danse Macabre.



Danse Macabre (French), is a late-medieval allegory on the universality of death: no matter one's station in life, the dance of death unites all. La Danse Macabre consists of the personified death leading a row of dancing figures from all walks of life to the grave, typically with an emperor, king, youngster, and beautiful girl—all skeletal. They were produced to remind people of how fragile their lives and how vain the glories of earthly life were. Its origins are postulated from illustrated sermon texts; the earliest artistic examples are in a cemetery in Paris from 1424. (clearly outside the realm of possibility for the 1187 time frame of the KoH scene- Ridley Scott taking liberties with history)

Bravo WM. Well Ridley's poetic license is well accepted, providing an incite for Godfrey's character and hence the development of Balian's. The Bones of All Men are the brick work of history. Quod Sumus Hoc Eritis! The theme of Religion vs Holiness threads throughout (the film and life) and is well discussed, with license or historical accuracy. Once again, your scholarship and time expended is well appreciated. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcOZmtbLRP0&feature=related

Here is a recording some may enjoy (it is available for purchase through Amazon):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bones_of_All_Men

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 07, 2009, 12:23:19 PM
Well started the chain mail weathering today.  The coif's been in it's vinegar bath for about 2 1/2 hours now.  Its bubbling away!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 07, 2009, 12:25:40 PM
Like a chain maile fizzy
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 07, 2009, 12:36:52 PM
It's definitely like that now!  It started off pretty slow, but now its really going to town and is nice and cloudy.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 07, 2009, 01:00:33 PM
That was a fun game of "Stump the Monk"....I look forward to the next.   :)

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/800px-Dessin_danse_macabre.jpg)

QuoteI'm all to familiar with the Danse Macabre

If you don't mind me asking Brother William, what is your connection to the Danse Macabre
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 07, 2009, 01:57:46 PM
Some more background info to add. The Danse Macabre takes place upon Halloween when Death plays it's violin summoning the dead. Hmm...on Samhain (November 1st) the veil between worlds is at it's thinnest and the those souls headed for Summerland walk among us (predating 1187). The Danse Macabre may owe a debt to European Pagan traditions as do most Christian traditions...just a theory.  :-\ ;) ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danse_macabre

Bright Blessings One and All
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 07, 2009, 02:53:02 PM
Regardless of one's own interpretation of the Danse Macabre symbology and meanings....it has it's beautiful aspects and certainly has inspired many forms of expression through art and music and theater....

To me the Danse speaks to the notion of "oneness"....all experience the wheel of life in the same manner regardless of station while still perpetuating the unfortunate view that death will be grim, ghastly, horrible.

(There is also the gamer side of me that only sees lots of undead skeletons and wants to thrust my holy symbol at them  ;) ;D)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 07, 2009, 03:21:02 PM
Beautifull, FF. :'( :-* Cin, Cin! 8)

For in the final analysis, our most basic common link, is that we all inhabit this small planet, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish our children's futures, and we are all mortal.
John F. Kennedy, Speech at The American University, Washington, D.C.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 07, 2009, 05:48:57 PM
rrrrrrr I'm off to do pentance
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 07, 2009, 06:41:46 PM
Lady De Pond I'm happy to take your confession.  Dear, for what sins do you require contrition?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on May 07, 2009, 07:43:09 PM
Being the monk of the group I too can take your confession.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 08, 2009, 05:31:53 AM
My latest collector's piece arrived yesterday:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/yhst-75496263108875_2051_5479153.jpg)

Don't be fooled by the advertisement about it coming with a book, it has a small tri-fold handout that has less than a short paragraph on the Templars and about this figure joining the Order.  The spear/lance is a little too thick and short, but everything else is great!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 08, 2009, 08:41:03 AM
Thats cool!  EBay?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 08, 2009, 09:26:21 AM
ahhh thanks guys but i only confess to one high preist
  I was just ready to whipp a coworker
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 08, 2009, 10:34:14 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 07, 2009, 01:00:33 PM
QuoteI'm all to familiar with the Danse Macabre
If you don't mind me asking Brother William, what is your connection to the Danse Macabre

Because "All my friends are skeletons!" (http://i44.tinypic.com/2ms2duf.jpg) (http://i40.tinypic.com/2qb7mmh.jpg) Seriously, Just in general.  Dance of the Dead,  All Saints Day El Día de los Muertos a few other cultural traditions, and Hallows Eve of course have always intrigued and fascinated me.  I also discovered that the knowledge of such traditions can also be beneficial when under the habit of the Order of St. John (http://i40.tinypic.com/2qb7mmh.jpg) (http://i42.tinypic.com/208u04h.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 08, 2009, 11:03:39 AM
Brother Marcus, how did the coif turn out?

(http://i42.tinypic.com/1078hsl.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 08, 2009, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on May 08, 2009, 11:03:39 AM
Brother Marcus, how did the coif turn out?


Very good, actually.  Took about six and a half hours or so, but it's sufficiently dull and dark now. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 08, 2009, 12:03:52 PM
Good deal brother Marcus. It sounds as if you are pleased with the results, and if so are you going to make plans to weather your haulberk?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 08, 2009, 02:13:42 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on May 08, 2009, 11:17:03 AM
Very good, actually.  Took about six and a half hours or so, but it's sufficiently dull and dark now.  [/color]

This is good news. It appears we'll be holding a Chapter session to vote on some more certificates to be awarded very soon! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 08, 2009, 03:48:43 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on May 08, 2009, 12:03:52 PM
Good deal brother Marcus. It sounds as if you are pleased with the results, and if so are you going to make plans to weather your haulberk?

Yup!  Just going to have to get more vinegar first and wait for a full day off.  It'll probably be sometime Tuesday or Wednesday.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 08, 2009, 06:33:28 PM
Whilst perusing one of the Queen's discount books catalogues, I came across the following book cover...........quite interesting...... :P

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/kj.jpg)


*This post is not intended to convert any thread pilgrim, and is posted only in the spirit of sharing a Templarish appearance of the subject presented. Conversion is a voluntary event fully endorsed by the Church. Forced conversion opportunities are available in the Baltic regions, and delivered by the Monks of the Orden der Brüder vom Deutschen Haus St. Mariens in Jerusalem. Pax vobiscum. :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 08, 2009, 07:44:00 PM
you realize only those with the sharpest eyes can read that
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 09, 2009, 03:41:41 AM
I can read it quite alright...

"This post is not intended to convert any thread pilgrim, and is posted only in the spirit of sharing a Templarish appearance of the subject presented. Conversion is a voluntary event fully endorsed by the Church. Forced conversion opportunities are available in the Baltic regions, and delivered by the Monks of the Orden der Brüder vom Deutschen Haus St. Mariens in Jerusalem. Pax vobiscum."

Piece of cake!

(http://i42.tinypic.com/21bkh9e.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 09, 2009, 06:41:03 AM
A simple Theological disclaimer........ :P



Sort of like: No Pagans were harmed in the making of this post...........
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 09, 2009, 06:57:46 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 09, 2009, 06:41:03 AM
A simple Theological disclaimer........ :P

Sort of like: No Pagans were harmed in the making of this post...........

Personally, the Green Monk attests to the accuracy of this disclaimer. However, he may not, in good conscience therefore, account the harm to Pagans of lesser conviction. Enter at thy own peril :P ;) ;D

One word of warning...refrain from travel in the Baltic Regions. :o :)

May the Fires of Beltane renew and warm thee.

As Padre Verde always says," All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin."
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 10, 2009, 06:44:33 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/women.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 10, 2009, 08:31:24 PM
Extending my most sincere Matriarch's Day wishes as well

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2a61orb.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 11, 2009, 10:13:44 AM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/6p3fc8.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 11, 2009, 11:03:14 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/T13-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 11, 2009, 01:34:28 PM
What great news....will you being going to faire or just getting together to play Stratego?  ;) :D

Thank you for the Mother's day wishes.  I think it's preposterous to only honor Mothers 1 day a year.  We celebrate year round.   :) 

Warrior Monk, for the sake of your health I hope that image wasn't on Lady LeFay's Mother's Day card.  It just doesn't sit well.  Yeesh.    :-\
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 11, 2009, 01:53:01 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 11, 2009, 01:34:28 PM
What great news....will you being going to faire or just getting together to to help steer poor, misguided, and without hope of salvation, pagan souls towards the path of relative enlightment?  ;) :D

Thank you for the Mother's day wishes.  I think it's preposterous to only honor Mothers 1 day a year.  We celebrate year round.   :) 


As the Almighty would have it, I have to attend a "War Fighter" conference in the neighborhood of Brother William's preceptory. Fortune will hopefully favor us for a photo shoot.

BTW Mother Confessor, I tried to address the "year around" aspect of the Motherhood ordeal with the picture...


and "Yes" to your quoted question. :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 11, 2009, 02:26:03 PM
My Mother was happy with her gifts now to figure out Oct. I'm flying out on her birthday
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 11, 2009, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 11, 2009, 01:34:28 PM
What great news....will you being going to faire or just getting together to play Stratego?  ;) :D

Ate up!(http://i43.tinypic.com/2u8h1yw.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 12, 2009, 01:50:14 PM
The soaking of the hauberk begins today!  Hopefully I'll have something to report this evening.

Wish me luck, brothers!! 

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 12, 2009, 02:39:42 PM
 Best of luck brother Marcus. I'm quite confident you will conquer this project with ease. (http://i43.tinypic.com/152ibva.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 12, 2009, 02:45:03 PM
Thank you, Brother William. 

I remembered to take a "before" pic so I'll have one to compare with.  Now, 3 gallons of vinegar later, the fizzing has begun!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 12, 2009, 03:07:54 PM
Brother Marcus, we definitely wish you well in your endeavor, and wait anxiously to see the after photos!


Brother William, nice little figure you have represented in your previous post, do you by chance possess it?

I leave you with a Teutonic Hoch Meister:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/teu3.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 12, 2009, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 12, 2009, 03:07:54 PM
Brother William, nice little figure you have represented in your previous post, do you by chance possess it?

As for the figurine unfortunately I do not. I do find this Teutonic figurine quite striking especially the checkered horns on his helm.  The checkered pattern would be a nice addition to have here in my realm seeing how we are the racing capital of the world, and this month marks the 93 running of the greatest spectacle in auto racing known as the Indianapolis 500.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 12, 2009, 11:01:59 PM
Nice figure!

And it took a bit longer than I expected, but the hauberk is done.  It has now joined the coif in the rinse of WD!

Here's the before, not a great pic now that I see it, but it gets across the super shiny silverness I believe:

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0083.jpg)

And the after:

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0084.jpg)

Man I love the new look.  Thanks for all the advice on this...it's one mod I'm very happy to have done.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 13, 2009, 03:20:37 AM
Glad you like it brother! (http://i41.tinypic.com/10zvfnk.jpg) Because now your all weathered and really ready to get medieval!  As you can imagine, it will also enhance your Nordic kit as well....nice!

(http://i43.tinypic.com/5n2iqv.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 13, 2009, 03:32:48 PM
That it will!  That it will.

Looking forward to representing this weekend at the Midwest Ren Fest.  The only thing I'm truly in need of now is a sword belt.  I may have to go unarmed and hope a good merchant has something I like.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 14, 2009, 08:46:01 AM
Enjoy your journey this weekend brother Marcus, and the best in your quest for the perfect leather.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/wrkfhj.jpg)
Tuitio Fidei Et Obsequium Pauperum

Pax Vobiscum



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 14, 2009, 01:05:01 PM
Be sure to get plenty of pictures this time!  Enjoy!   ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 14, 2009, 01:28:34 PM
Oh I intend to!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 14, 2009, 02:49:11 PM
Safe journey, Brother. May the elements protect thee. The Green Monk shall travel to Janesville Faire upon the Sunday.

All Blessings be upon thee.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 14, 2009, 08:57:40 PM
 >:( i learned no reason i can't be warm.  ::) I spoke during class and tied haaaa  alright so i lusted after all the books but what can i say it's in my dna i know off to do pentance
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 15, 2009, 05:25:02 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on May 14, 2009, 08:57:40 PM
>:( i learned no reason i can't be warm.  ::) I spoke during class and tied haaaa  alright so i lusted after all the books but what can i say it's in my dna i know off to do pentance

WTFarg?


Sorry for my absence, I was under the heretical influence of a stomach flu.

Yes Brother Marcus, and green monk...safe travels and return with many photos!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 15, 2009, 08:43:09 AM
Yes, Frere Vert, enjoy your journey to Janesville Faire!  I take comfort in knowing that so many of the Brothers have fulfilling days ahead at faire!  :)

I shall remain in the Grove (although I will be storming the castle tonight) until a week from now.  Then our whole family travels North to the Virginia faire and a long weekend of adventure on Lake Anna.  :)

Militissa, let me know if you require my services as Mother Confessor. I believe you mentioned something about lust?   ;) :D

Warrior Monk...so glad that our prayers were answered and your healing is progressing.  Do you still require these?  * SH holds out to you a glass decanter filled with shimmering black leeches*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 15, 2009, 09:12:38 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 15, 2009, 05:25:02 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on May 14, 2009, 08:57:40 PM
>:( i learned no reason i can't be warm.  ::) I spoke during class and tied haaaa  alright so i lusted after all the books but what can i say it's in my dna i know off to do pentance

WTFarg?


work sent me to a class yesterday and I was suposed to find out why i can't wrap a blanket around me to get warm when some places are freezing. i heard nothing about not having a blanket.
I said i wasn't gonna talk during class i was dreading it.
as for the lust it was only after books in the second hand book store and books where everywhere.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 15, 2009, 09:15:31 AM
 ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 15, 2009, 09:29:15 AM
**the female interpreter arrives**

Ok, Militissa, what was the class you were sent to?

As for the books, I recommend you read for penance.  However, stick to the library and stay away from the picture books.  It can only help.   ;) :)

I'm sure Warrior Monk will have some appropriate decrees for you when you see one another at GARF next weekend.   :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 15, 2009, 10:03:27 AM
Yes.........quite. :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 15, 2009, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 15, 2009, 05:25:02 AM

Sorry for my absence, I was under the heretical influence of a stomach flu.

Yes Brother Marcus, and green monk...safe travels and return with many photos!

Well wishes to thee Warrior Monk. It is certain thine intestinal fortitude pulled thee through. Although Femme Falchion is knowledgeable on many subjects...the Green Monk would NOT recommend leeches for a speedy recovery...unless possibly for a light snack. ;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 15, 2009, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 15, 2009, 08:43:09 AM
Yes, Frere Vert, enjoy your journey to Janesville Faire!  I take comfort in knowing that so many of the Brothers have fulfilling days ahead at faire!  :)

Thank thee, Sister. A rendezvous with Northern Clansmen is in the offing. Farewell, dear Lady. :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 15, 2009, 12:21:17 PM
no picture books for me i am rather fond of reading the written word and creating my own pictures in my mind.
;D

as for the class it was a excellent client experience class
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 17, 2009, 12:37:17 PM
Brother William.....knowing how fond your are of exorcisms, I found this for you!   ;) :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSXE7pXmTrc


and 1 more for our thirsty Green Monk....   ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2KJjy7WBF8
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 17, 2009, 09:31:30 PM
A couple of pictures from Saturday's patrol:

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0085.jpg)

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0083-1.jpg)

Believe it or not it was COLD that morning!  That cloak sure came in handy!!  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 18, 2009, 08:14:01 AM
Splendid shots Brother Marcus. I shall be drawing up your Membership certification to the Orders of the Ren-Forums this week. Would you like a copy of your certificate mailed as a hard copy, or do you have the luxury of a color printer? Ensuring a quicker arrival of the highly coveted and much sought after document.
Either way, let me know in a PM of an email address for digital delivery, or mailing address for hard copy.

Again well done.

Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 18, 2009, 08:46:48 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 17, 2009, 12:37:17 PM

and 1 more for our thirsty Green Monk....   ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2KJjy7WBF8


Enlightenment in a bottle...hmmm...availability in case quantity, please?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 18, 2009, 09:59:09 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 18, 2009, 08:14:01 AM
Splendid shots Brother Marcus. I shall be drawing up your Membership certification to the Orders of the Ren-Forums this week. Would you like a copy of your certificate mailed as a hard copy, or do you have the luxury of a color printer? Ensuring a quicker arrival of the highly coveted and much sought after document.
Either way, let me know in a PM of an email address for digital delivery, or mailing address for hard copy.

Again well done.

Deus vult!

Thank you, Brother!  I am honored and humbled.  I look forward to many more tours extending the influence of the Orders in the Midwest!
I will pm you forthwith.

Deus lo Vult!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 18, 2009, 10:20:33 AM
Brother Marcus, it appears you're well on your way to establishing a strong presence in the Midwest. Others will soon flock to you for advice and direction. Deus vult!


I've managed to secure a Crusader Priest's hood and cap, and I think I'm gonna try and see what it would look like mated to the Templar Robe from Soldier of God. I haven't the red gloves that Christopher Lee wore in Ivanhoe (black will have to do), but I think the representation will be close......

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/lucas.jpg)

It may even become my "visitation" attire ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 18, 2009, 06:31:29 PM
I think it'll look pretty spiffy myself.  I've been looking into doing a late period Hospitaller, in the red garb.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 18, 2009, 08:50:35 PM
You and Brother William both have entertained that thought, I believe.


In recognition of his motivation, commitment to the image, and adherance to the "Faith" (that of a Crusading Warrior Monk), it is with great pleasure that the Brothers of this thread, under the fictional privilidges granted to us by the Holy See, award the following document to Fra' Marcus of Ibelin:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/FraMarcusofIbelincert.jpg)


Deus vult! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 18, 2009, 09:12:20 PM
Thank you all for your support and acceptance.  I will do all within my power to fulfill my oath and to uphold the ideals of the Orders.

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/KNEELKNI.gif)

Arise a Knight.

Deus Vult!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 19, 2009, 07:40:26 AM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2aaivpu.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 19, 2009, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 17, 2009, 12:37:17 PM
Brother William.....knowing how fond your are of exorcisms, I found this for you!   ;) :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSXE7pXmTrc

Thank you very much Sister. Although nowadays, I just turn things over to this guy  ...


(http://i42.tinypic.com/v4z7n7.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 19, 2009, 12:14:32 PM
 ;D Outstanding!



Now...for a question that has been on my mind for a bit. This weekend, we hope to attend the GARF again, and I was planning on wearing the new combination of Templar clothing items as previously mentioned. Would it be too out of place to wear a sword with Grand Master Lucas de Beaumanoir's powerful, yet remarkably humble attire?  ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 19, 2009, 01:19:48 PM
You can always leave the steel back at the war-wagon (just in case you feel naked without it), as your going to be representing at a peaceful gathering.  Just don't forget a Lucas de Beaumanoir approved rope to display your vows my brother  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 19, 2009, 01:20:47 PM
alright they better not whimp out on me this saturday
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 19, 2009, 01:32:54 PM
I say wear the sword, you don't want anyone to start rumors that you're a gentle and peaceful sort..... ;) :P  Besides, no one, save the Brothers on this forum, will notice the discrepancy. 


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 19, 2009, 01:53:39 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on May 19, 2009, 01:20:47 PM
alright they better not whimp out on me this saturday

I believe it was mentioned elsewhere, but we will be attending Sunday, the weather forgiving.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 19, 2009, 01:58:08 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 19, 2009, 01:32:54 PM
I say wear the sword, you don't want anyone to start rumors that you're a gentle and peaceful sort..... ;) :P  Besides, no one, save the Brothers on this forum, will notice the discrepancy. 

It's this type of thinking that has helped her get promoted from a simple, oversized butter knife swinging, pagan to a recognized and endorsed, hatchet/falchion/heck any large bladed instrument wielding Mother Confessor! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 19, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
Militissa....can you not change your plans to attend Sunday?  You should not pass up the opportunity to receive the blessing of Warrior Monk's & Lady LeFay's company....particularly since he will not be dressed in full battle regalia.   :D ;D

Why thank you (I think) Brother Beaumanior.   And those controversial photos.....have been removed.   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 19, 2009, 04:35:44 PM
I can put them back........ ::)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 19, 2009, 06:05:53 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on May 19, 2009, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 17, 2009, 12:37:17 PM
Brother William.....knowing how fond your are of exorcisms, I found this for you!   ;) :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSXE7pXmTrc

Thank you very much Sister. Although nowadays, I just turn things over to this guy  ...


(http://i42.tinypic.com/v4z7n7.jpg)

Feel lucky? Am lucky. 8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 19, 2009, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 19, 2009, 01:32:54 PM
I say wear the sword, you don't want anyone to start rumors that you're a gentle and peaceful sort.....


Your clearly not saying that Grand Master Lucas de Beaumanoir not wearing a sword appears to be gentle & peaceful are you?

(http://i39.tinypic.com/ev46s8.jpg)


The cross displayed upon the chest should be quite enough to discourage anyone from starting rumors of a warrior monk being that of gentle & peaceful  ;)

Besides, like frere Cliff needs a blade anyways  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 19, 2009, 07:36:53 PM
I would like to say that Brother William makes a good argument here.... ;)

I will take some photos tomorrow, and put it to a vote......

Now, long past over due, in recognition for her........well, in recognition anyway, Sister Hatchet, we bestow this honor upon you:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/OrderoftheHatchetcert.jpg)

Should you wish to have a frameable copy, I can send it digitally for your color copier to try its skills, or it can be delivered by carrier. Your choice. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 19, 2009, 07:39:25 PM
I'm still working on Sister ASHley's................ ;) ;D :P


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 19, 2009, 07:44:51 PM
Congrats, Mother Confessor!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on May 19, 2009, 08:52:54 PM
Congrats, what an achievement.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 20, 2009, 07:54:26 AM
I am quite honored and flushed with pleasure!  :) 

Please send it by carrier so that I may unveil it at our grand celebratory feast.  I will endeavor to continue the good ( ;)) works that I am recognized for....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 20, 2009, 09:24:24 AM
Congrats sister. Well deserving,  and overdue to say the least...

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 20, 2009, 09:26:36 AM
 :D ohhh i think Warrior has more tallents with the computer than his job is aware of
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 20, 2009, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 20, 2009, 07:54:26 AM
I am quite honored and flushed with pleasure!  :) 

Please send it by carrier so that I may unveil it at our grand celebratory feast.  I will endeavor to continue the good ( ;)) works that I am recognized for....

Thy achievements mount and thy titles multiply, affording thee access to many realms, Sister. Salutations!

All blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 20, 2009, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on May 20, 2009, 11:03:31 AM
affording thee access to many realms, Sister. Salutations!

Indeed, this is the true blessing!  :)

....and perhaps there is something to the expression gentle pressure relentlessly applied........
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 20, 2009, 03:21:30 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 20, 2009, 02:11:30 PM
gentle pressure relentlessly applied........

Isn't that a head ache? :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 20, 2009, 07:40:12 PM
Janesville Faire and the only Templar there.

(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/monkogreen/Janesville%20Ren%20Faire%202009/JanesvilleRenFaire2009002-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 20, 2009, 08:12:28 PM
Green Monk, is that you in the black and red livery? Huzzah!

Here are two shots of an attempt to go "light" on the armor.
I favor the second over the first.  ;D

#1 image removed due to lack of support

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Slide2-2.jpg)


Open to your comments and critiques......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 20, 2009, 09:48:16 PM
Femme:  "Warrior Monk has new garb for faire, view these pictures"
Lord Scott:  "Oh look, it has a cross on it"  ;)
Femme:  "I prefer the collar in the second image"
Lord Scott: "Agreed, but he needs some chainmaile sticking out somewhere"   :)

are you still thinking of wearing the sword?


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 20, 2009, 11:56:01 PM
I agree, the second looks best.  Very nice, by the way.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 21, 2009, 05:47:11 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 20, 2009, 08:12:28 PM
Green Monk, is that you in the black and red livery? Huzzah!


Nay, Warrior Monk, not I.

As far as thine new garb, thy second is preferred. Thy cap provides a more...how dost thou sayest...ecclesiastical ambiance...still keeping thine cowl option in play. 8) A daggar in thy sleeve or gauntlet perhaps? ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 21, 2009, 06:58:46 AM
My first take on them is that the Priest's cowl is too small when used over the head. It looks ok when pulled down and used with the head cap. Grand Master Lucas de Beaumanoir is also wearing a cape in his photo.

There is something in the works right now, a friend of Lady LeFay's has graciously volunteered to attempt to produce a cappa like the one seen in the first plates of the Osprey book on the Knights Templar. Having seen her work on the Lady's dress, I am hopeful that this will be a product of great appearance.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 21, 2009, 07:17:44 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 20, 2009, 09:48:16 PM
Lord Scott:  "Oh look, it has a cross on it"  ;)

Like there would be anything else on it! :P Don't fix nuthin dat ain't broked!! ;D

Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 20, 2009, 09:48:16 PM
are you still thinking of wearing the sword?

These images have pretty much sealed the deal for this weekend to go "uparmored" again.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 21, 2009, 08:53:59 AM
This be himself walking the Janesville Faire:

(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/monkogreen/MOGJANES.jpg)

With cup of the Holy water in hand, I might add.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 21, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
INFEDELS this is not a fresh fruit slushy

this taste like a limeade mixed with a slushy  ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 21, 2009, 02:02:38 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on May 21, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
INFEDELS this is not a fresh fruit slushy

this taste like a limeade mixed with a slushy  ???

WTF!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 21, 2009, 02:10:56 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 21, 2009, 06:58:46 AM
My first take on them is that the Priest's cowl is too small when used over the head.


(http://i39.tinypic.com/15i6hzr.jpg)  Hmmmmm ... to small he says  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 21, 2009, 02:18:49 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on May 21, 2009, 02:10:56 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/15i6hzr.jpg)  Hmmmmm ... to small he says  ;)

*And the door swings shut* It fits my mellon, but is not as volumous as the hood that GM Extrordanaire Lucas de Beaumanoir sports.... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 21, 2009, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on May 21, 2009, 02:02:38 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on May 21, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
INFEDELS this is not a fresh fruit slushy

this taste like a limeade mixed with a slushy  ???

WTF!

they didn't make my fresh fruit slushy correctly it's not suposed to have lime in it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 21, 2009, 03:04:33 PM
*And the door swings shut* BUT not before Sister Hatchet quickly slips her foot in.....

You do know what they say about Priest's with big cowls?

(and it's NOT that they give really good fruit slushy)   ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 21, 2009, 03:20:29 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 21, 2009, 03:04:33 PM
*And the door swings shut* BUT not before Sister Hatchet quickly slips her foot in.....

You do know what they say about Priest's with big cowls?

(and it's NOT that they give really good fruit slushy)   ;) :P

*Hello! Is this the ride to Salvation? Really....thanks, I'll take one EXPRESS ticket to hell please..........*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 21, 2009, 08:18:52 PM
New book alert!

http://www.historybookclub.com/ecom/pages/nm/product/productDetail.jsp?skuId=1033656673


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 21, 2009, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 21, 2009, 08:18:52 PM
New book alert!

http://www.historybookclub.com/ecom/pages/nm/product/productDetail.jsp?skuId=1033656673





Sweet!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 22, 2009, 11:30:37 AM
Can't beat that price either!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 22, 2009, 04:55:20 PM
Another book to hit the shelves June 1st. Which also marks my Natal Anniversary, Coincidence? I Think Not  ;)

The Knights Templar on Trial: The Trial of the Templars in the British Isles, 1308-11
Helen J. Nicholson

The loss of Acre in 1291 marked the beginning of the end of the Templars. They returned to Europe a far weaker organization. They were however, still well regarded so it came as a great shock when the Templar Brothers of France were arrested in 1307 on the orders of King Phillip IV. Other Christian monarchs followed the lead and the trial of the Templars in Britain began. This study covers the period between the start of the trials in early 1308 and the dissolution of the order in July 1311. The trials took a different course in England from those in mainland Europe with Edward II reluctant to obey the instructions of the papal investigators. The Templars did not confess to anything and the nobles and bishops did not cooperate with the investigators. Eventually in 1311 the church councils rejected all heresies and the Templars asked to be readmitted to the church.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 22, 2009, 08:02:06 PM
Yes, it is a sign! I hope that it's released with the cover she agreed upon, and not the abomination that seems to be making the rounds of UK originating Templar books. :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 23, 2009, 04:29:06 AM
This is what Amazon is showing. It appears to be two images representing the order of St. John on the cover. Thats interesting, a book about Templars with Hospitallers on the cover.....Brilliant!

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2f0db1i.jpg) (http://i42.tinypic.com/24c5ovm.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 23, 2009, 09:50:04 AM
That is the correct image. She pulled it from the wall of a Temple church in France. From a previous book she wrote, most commoners had a tendancy to equate both the Templars and Hospitallers as "one" Order.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 23, 2009, 11:30:49 AM
Amazing. Out of the umpteen images available .....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 24, 2009, 08:12:14 PM
Well we went to GARF today. Dodging weather most of the day. It was a lovely 80 degrees with a near 100% humidity....geez...it was marching through Egypt on the 5th Crusade again! :'(

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0774.jpg)

For the short period of time we were there, the Princess enjoyed herself greatly, and we actually encountered another Brother of the Temple at the southern end of the Kingdom. ;D

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/May09008.jpg)

Other photos are posted on my other outlets.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on May 25, 2009, 02:59:51 PM
Brother, it looks quite steamy indeed. Good health to you and the Princess.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 25, 2009, 07:59:04 PM
Humidity in Georgia?? Siiiiiiince when?!  ;)  I thought you were going to represent on the lighter side with the Grand Master Lucas de Beaumanoir kit?  Instead you opted for the KoH kit, looks good though.  Sorry the elements couldn't of been more favorable brother.

Look how long Princess Brynn's hair is getting,  adorable as always.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 25, 2009, 08:54:37 PM
You just made her mother's day with the hair comment. She was taking a lot of photos from different angles centered on her growing mane!

I was gonna go "lite", but I was challenged by another member of the thread to "represent". Thus I paid the dues.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 26, 2009, 08:46:33 AM
uck atleast the humity wasn't sooo bad yesterday I had a blast and caught a good many shows i want go back for a few items Saturday
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 26, 2009, 08:51:15 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 25, 2009, 08:54:37 PM
She was taking a lot of photos from different angles centered on her growing mane!

I see that, especially some with of the other images one has added.  I might add that Princess Sarah sends her warmest greetings to her royalist of the south. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 26, 2009, 08:59:13 AM
Militissa.....I hope you have some pictures to share of your adventure

M'Lord and I had a wonderful time at VARF.  I'm afraid there were no Warrior Monks or men of the cloth to be found....so no signature confession pictures to share.  However, I offer some images of our family and will post more on the VARF thread.

M'Lord's new look, minus the cloak (it was also in the 80's but not as humid as GA) I know the dagger is questionable but I have reassured his Eminence that I took great care to purify and bless the blade properly  ;)  (that is why he smiles so broadly..... ;D ;D)

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2336.jpg)

the young Monks-in-training having a tantrum in the labyrinth

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2321.jpg)

a shot borrowed from Spanky's thread (because his magic allow my inner hatchet to shine)

(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo88/SPANKY112/VARF%202009/51.jpg)

and a picture taken by Dark'n M'Crack that does display the falchion......

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/4736_1127238111584_1546123274_30319.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 26, 2009, 09:04:21 AM
i have a whole roll of film part of another and hoping to take another roll as well. but as soon as i get them devolped i will share.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 26, 2009, 09:16:24 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on May 26, 2009, 08:51:15 AM
Princess Sarah sends her warmest greetings to her royalist of the south. 

Brynnie extends her greetings as well, and inquires as to Princess Sarah's progression with her light saber skills and the path to Sithdom?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 26, 2009, 02:22:09 PM
Sarah's skills with the light saber have improved immensely and have been labeled as extraordinary.  Just yesterday she was practicing and preparing to defeat the Rebel Force and all of those that oppose her galactic domination.

Sister Hatchett, It is always an absolute joy to see the twins young warrior monks in action, even when in a labyrinth when things aren't quite going their way ;) :D

SWM
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 26, 2009, 03:19:08 PM
Sunday, May 31, 2009
____________________________________________________


(http://i39.tinypic.com/24y4u3d.jpg)

7-8pm -- Lost Worlds - Knights Templar.

They defended the Holy Land through bloodshed and prayer. Founded in the 12th century, these Christian warrior monks reigned supreme for nearly 200 years before suffering a spectacular fall from grace. Tried for heresy, they were disbanded and their Grand Master burned at the stake. We'll search behind the legend for their lost world. We recreate the city they knew as Tortosa--now hidden among modern homes in the Syrian city of Tartus. We reveal secrets of their headquarters at Temple Mount in Jerusalem, with magnificent underground vaults that could stable 1,000 horses. And we visit the circular church in London built to resemble the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and the site of the Templar's mysterious initiation rites. We bring to life the hilltop fortress that Lawrence of Arabia called "the finest castle in the world", and return to the Mediterranean island where the Knights Templar made their last stand against Moslem enemies.  Yeah, we know.. now, bring it on!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 28, 2009, 07:51:35 AM
Sister Hatchet, and anyone else who might have young aspiring Warrior Monks/Nuns inhabiting the confines of their preceptory, I offer you the following to help them learn, have fun, and make homes for those minitures that we know everyone has......

http://www.yourchildlearns.com/megamaps/castle.html


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 28, 2009, 02:03:29 PM
Thank you Warrior Monk....I know you are quite concerned with the quality of education that the young boys are receiving here in the Grove, and I appreciate your continued tutelage.  ;D  I continue to remind the aspiring Warriors that they simply must keep their clothes on if they are to choose the Templar route.  However, I was heartened to hear that according to you preferences, undergarments are not absolutely necessary.   :P ;D

Being male children, it will not surprise you that they are a bit clumsy and brutish for the fine work required for the castle construction...but all in good time. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 28, 2009, 08:48:59 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 28, 2009, 02:03:29 PM
Thank you Warrior Monk....I know you are quite concerned with the quality of education that the young boys are receiving here in the Grove, and I appreciate your continued tutelage.  ;D  I continue to remind the aspiring Warriors that they simply must keep their clothes on if they are to choose the Templar route.  However, I was heartened to hear that according to you preferences, undergarments are not absolutely necessary.   :P ;D

Being male children, it will not surprise you that they are a bit clumsy and brutish for the fine work required for the castle construction...but all in good time. 

In future times according to mystic prophecies the activity will be known as "Going Commando", but in these days and dark ages, we refer to it as "Going Divine"..... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 29, 2009, 12:29:07 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 28, 2009, 08:48:59 PM
In future times according to mystic prophecies the activity will be known as "Going Commando", but in these days and dark ages, we refer to it as "Going Divine"..... :P


:D  :D  :D  :D

Nice!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 29, 2009, 02:07:17 PM
Is that like free-bible-ing it?   :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 29, 2009, 03:26:51 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 29, 2009, 02:07:17 PM
Is that like free-bible-ing it?   :P

Yes, but without the "thumping'! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 31, 2009, 04:30:00 AM
Coming soon to a faire near you

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2ikcbhl.jpg)

The Pin
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 31, 2009, 10:17:17 AM
Interesting....... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 31, 2009, 03:15:00 PM
Will that be your faire favors Brother William?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on May 31, 2009, 03:45:09 PM
Definitely watch that with interest.

Well dear Brothers and Sisters, I will be off for the next week.  We are venturing forth that most vile  ;) of places, Sin City - Las Vegas, for some much needed R&R.  Fortunately we have a most capable Mother Confessor should the need arise.  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on May 31, 2009, 06:22:27 PM
And remember Marcus of Ibelin if the Mother Confessor can't help there is always Brother Gregory. Have a nice time on your vacation.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 31, 2009, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on May 31, 2009, 03:15:00 PM
Will that be your faire favors Brother William?

Yes it will be MiSister

Enjoy your adventure brother Marcus. If its alright with Mother Confessor one might want to invite Lady Luck to join your caravan as well.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on May 31, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
Not to worry Brother Marcus.....as long as you make the appropriate tithes upon your return, I'm sure confession will not be necessary.  Besides, what happens within the walls of Vegas, stays within the walls of Vegas.   ;) :D

Good to see you, as always, Brother Gregory.

Very Cool Brother William!  Do you plan on coming to CRF this fall?  **wondering how to gain such a prestigious favor**  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 01, 2009, 12:16:53 PM
 :( Garf is over after sunday where did the season go
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 01, 2009, 03:21:39 PM
I took it with me, the last time I attended and didn't meet any of the Ren forums folks....to include you. :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on June 02, 2009, 07:00:43 AM
Lady De Pond.....the mysterious, "She-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Met"   ;) :D 

There's always next year!  Come to CRF Militissa!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 02, 2009, 09:25:13 AM
On a serious note, she does have an image posted on another thread of herself in a dress like renaissance garb with an infamous blue hat on!  :P

(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w56/angelswalkin/Ga%20renfest%202009/182664-R1-21-21A-1-1.jpg)

Good to see you for a change....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 02, 2009, 11:32:07 AM
Well my brothers & sisters, I have survived another Natal Anniversary unscaved.  Yesterday was the official day although festivities were conducted over the weekend.  Today the fortress is empty as it is a day of lounging and decision making for me, in regards as of what to purchase with the credit lines that I have received from my favorite merchants....right on!

Oh, the pools open and does anyone need a drink?


Quote from: Warrior_Monk on May 26, 2009, 09:16:24 AM
inquires as to Princess Sarah's progression with her light saber skills and the path to Sithdom?

For frere Cliff..

(http://i40.tinypic.com/30nir15.jpg)

Last evening, on the driveway, and caught in the act. Torturing pavement ants with her saber that won't submit to the wicked ways of her Empire.  ;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 02, 2009, 11:49:35 AM
Why did I not know of this date? I should have! Happy belated Natal Anniversary wishes to you!

Careful about those finance lines of credit, we tend to see bigger than the vaults of our banks! :P

So Sith Princess Sarah is working hard to convert one of the most resilient and lasting of living things.....way to go! Once the ants answer to her call, she'll be nigh unstopable.. ;D

I shall have to go capture someone in the act of "selling the Dark Side"... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 03, 2009, 08:29:20 AM
thanks the pic was opening day. mysterious is always a good thing
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on June 03, 2009, 09:15:45 AM
A parasol and a sword Lady de Pond?  How versatile.  Always good to carry some type of bludgeoning weapon.  What kind of damage does that do? 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 03, 2009, 10:44:04 AM
+4 Renfest Parasol:

+4 defending, unholy weapon

This weapon's user may transfer some or all of this weapon's enhancement bonus to his or her AC (a free action at the beginning of each round).
Infused with unholy energy, this weapon deals +2d6 damage to good opponents. If a good creature wields this weapon, he or she gains a negitive level while doing so.


Caster Level: 12; Prerequisites: blue head apparel and long dress like Armor, shield or shield of faith, unholy blight; Market Price: 98,300 gp; Cost to Create: 49,300 gp and 3920 xp.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 03, 2009, 11:16:21 AM
how is my weapon unholy? atleast it's not the dagger in my boot ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 03, 2009, 01:10:41 PM
Parasol (noun)- the simplest manifestation of a cloak or blanket of evil, an unholy "umbrella" to shield one's operator from the Almighty's divine light.

Ex: Marry Poppins used such a device in various animated tales, thus displaying an untold amount of witchery!


Need I say or elaborate any further? ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on June 03, 2009, 01:48:23 PM
Nice stats on that parasol Militissa!  I bet it deals double damage against "Holy Warrior Monks" (that's if you can get past the ridiculously high AC)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 03, 2009, 01:50:05 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on June 03, 2009, 01:48:23 PM
I bet it's double damage against "Holy Warrior Monks"

:o
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Post by: Femme Falchion on June 03, 2009, 01:55:46 PM
You did say it was an unholy weapon.....I suppose it doesn't apply to Warrior Monks of neutral alignment   ;) :P ;D


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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 03, 2009, 02:16:46 PM
That's LAWFUL NEUTRAL to you Momma Confessor!  :P
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Post by: Femme Falchion on June 03, 2009, 03:03:34 PM
*The CG Sister laughs and takes a few steps backwards*

Deus Vult Warrior Monk!

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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 03, 2009, 03:31:30 PM
CG she says.......ha!  :P ;D ;)
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Post by: Femme Falchion on June 05, 2009, 03:16:29 PM
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2412.jpg)

A blessed weekend to everyone...  It's about to get even more heavenly for me.....   ;)

and belated natal day wishes to you Brother William.  This joyous event escaped my notice.  I hope your celebrations continue to be sweet.   :)
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 07, 2009, 08:23:34 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on June 05, 2009, 03:16:29 PM
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2412.jpg)

MC/Sister Hatchet,

Your photo arrives at an interesting time, since the current edition of Renaissance Magazine has an article about Templar wineries in Spain....... :P
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 07, 2009, 09:08:06 PM
The former KoH transitional helmet in its' new configuration:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/100_0875.jpg)
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 07, 2009, 09:15:06 PM
That looks great!


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Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 07, 2009, 09:18:10 PM
Templar Vino's  (modern)

Sample Banyuls. It is a French wine from the vineyards of the Templars.

Then these guys...  http://www.templarske-sklepy.cz/

Templar Wine Cellars (Czech Republic)
Summary: Wine pottery jug symbolically returns to Middle Ages.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/n69btf.jpg)

Wine pottery jug symbolically returns to Middle Ages. The inspiration for a
shape of the container came from historically supported archeological
excavations. The shape was typical in this famous wine region during this
period. The using of Templar Wine Cellars logo and hand made paper tag sure
strengthens the originality of every package. Moreover the jug meets the whole
hygienic aspects necessary for packaging of noble wines.

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Post by: Femme Falchion on June 08, 2009, 12:18:42 PM
The Helmet looks awesome!  What modifications did you have to make? 

Can we expect to see pictures of it's debut at Bristol? 
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Post by: Richard de Graeme on June 08, 2009, 12:35:30 PM
Yes WM, indeed the helm is fine! Did mine ears deceive, or art thou sojourning North to Bristol Faire? Will ye be joining thy comrade in cross, Sir William?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 08, 2009, 12:40:52 PM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on June 08, 2009, 12:35:30 PM
Did mine ears deceive, or art thou sojourning North to Bristol Faire?

Have my ears deceived me as well, are you doing Bristols??
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Post by: Richard de Graeme on June 08, 2009, 12:46:52 PM
Bristol is me home Faire! Safe passage, through the Borderland, is warmly guaranteed for such brave knights as thee. When would this most auspicious event occur? ;) 8)
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Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 08, 2009, 01:01:04 PM
he's a little confused he don't know his eyes from his ears
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 08, 2009, 01:32:35 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on June 08, 2009, 12:18:42 PM
What modifications did you have to make? 
Can we expect to see pictures of it's debut at Bristol? 
I removed the face plate that was originally fastened to it, and applied a new protective lower lip to the pot helm.

Quote from: Richard de Graeme on June 08, 2009, 12:35:30 PM
Did mine ears deceive, or art thou sojourning North to Bristol Faire? Will ye be joining thy comrade in cross, Sir William?
Yes, yes we are. As to Brother William, I can't say, but if he were to be in attendance, then the world's theological scale would be in balance and harmony for at least one day......

Quote from: Sir William Marcus on June 08, 2009, 12:40:52 PM
Have my ears deceived me as well, are you doing Bristols??
Absolutely Brother, the 25th and 26th

Quote from: Richard de Graeme on June 08, 2009, 12:46:52 PM
Bristol is me home Faire! When would this most auspicious event occur? ;) 8)
I look forward to meeting the legendary Green Monk. Dates are listed above.
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Post by: Femme Falchion on June 08, 2009, 01:48:26 PM
Oh waily waily, if only I could also be in attendance!  So envious!!! 
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Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on June 08, 2009, 01:52:42 PM
Well, Brothers and Sisters, I have returned!  I see much has gone on during my holiday.

A belated Happy Natal Anniversary, Brother William!  I too celebrated mine this past Friday.

That helmet looks great, Brother Cliff!  My search for one continues now with even more zeal upon seeing yours.

As for our journey to the City of Sin, we had a very good time.  However, we stayed true to our vows and stayed in His Majesty King Arthur's Camelot castle, Excalibur.  It was funny how many of the resorts themes can be tied to the Crusades in some way.  The Knightly theme at Excalibur, Paris at the Paris, Venice at the Venetian, Rome at Caesar's Palace, even Egypt at the Luxor.
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Post by: Richard de Graeme on June 08, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on June 08, 2009, 01:01:04 PM
he's a little confused he don't know his eyes from his ears

See the sounds and hear the sights...the magic of Bristol Faire. :D ;D
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Post by: Richard de Graeme on June 08, 2009, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on June 08, 2009, 01:48:26 PM
Oh waily waily, if only I could also be in attendance!  So envious!!! 

Make it so Femme Falchion...the very Earth would rumble and crack! ;D

If I am not mistaken, Wine and Alchemy plays the 25th and 26th.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 08, 2009, 03:08:43 PM
If I'm not mistaken...so will Faith and IronDeus vult!
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Post by: Richard de Graeme on June 08, 2009, 03:44:00 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on June 08, 2009, 03:08:43 PM
If I'm not mistaken...so will Faith and IronDeus vult!

Is that Blindfaith and Iron Butterfly? ;D
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 08, 2009, 09:00:01 PM
We shall see......... ;) ;D
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Post by: Femme Falchion on June 08, 2009, 09:04:26 PM
Molly Hatchet? (named after my great, great, great, great Granny who was kicked out of the convent for smoking pipes and playing with axes).

Perhaps.....Iron Maiden?

Faith No More?????
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Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 08, 2009, 09:49:46 PM
off to give pentance to poor souls
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 08, 2009, 10:09:14 PM
Envious indeed! Now knowing that my brother from another mother will be attending Bristols in couple weeks, and me unable to attend will make for a dark weekend here in the shire.

It is a most excellent faire too and one that I have been attempting to visit for several years now without much luck.  Did you just decide you wanted to check it out? Special occasion? Will the your Lady and princess be accompanying you on this journey?? 
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 09, 2009, 05:15:03 AM
I will be escorting the female based caravan on this Bristol pilgrimage.
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Post by: Richard de Graeme on June 09, 2009, 08:27:23 AM
A grand time will be had by all! :)
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 09, 2009, 10:38:59 AM
Everyone will hold you to that. :P ;D
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Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on June 09, 2009, 11:28:56 AM
Chalk me up as envious as well.  My faire season has already reached it's halfway point and come to its summer break.  I have no shires to visit again until this fall.....sigh.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 09, 2009, 11:48:24 AM
There's still quite a lot of planning left to go for this specific pilgrimage. The Lady LeFay just wanted to do something big before Princess Brynn starts her first year of school,. (that's kindergarten and not the Jedi academy.... :P )
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 09, 2009, 11:59:21 AM
Welcome back from Sin City brother Marcus, and forgive me for my delayed response. 

Now, don't anyone go feeling bad about not being able to go to faire as I have yet to attend one this year... dang it...wait....super dang it!  Even this month I have only a 50/50 shot at being able to make it to one of my tri-state faires.  Now before anyone remotely starts to feel sorry for me. The good side of it is I've been given the opportunity to make mucho $$$ on the weekends which is always a good thing especially during these days.  Besides..'I need a new blade!'  ;D

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on June 09, 2009, 11:48:24 AM
There's still quite a lot of planning left to go for this specific pilgrimage. The Lady LeFay just wanted to do something big before Princess Brynn starts her first year of school,. (that's kindergarten and not the Jedi academy.... :P )

The Jedi Academy?!?!?

Things have continued to turn dark here my brother. Just the other day out in the back yard I discovered....

(http://i40.tinypic.com/1580760.jpg)
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 09, 2009, 01:24:43 PM
Sith Princess Sarah does the Emperor proud. ;D I can't wait to show a couple folks I know this photo........it will be like "Hey! We're not the only ones!"
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Post by: Just Jesse on June 09, 2009, 04:20:35 PM
Hello everyone, it's been a while... so, just wanted to see what you all thought of my tat,

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/jessemims/l_3dabd618b1dd4d76a468220c568ed81b.jpg)
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 10, 2009, 03:51:28 AM
FAILED!

What happened? Got drunk and lost a bet didn't ya?  ;) ;D
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 10, 2009, 05:32:51 AM
That's a lot of squiggly lines! I'm quite sure when you get it finished, it will look something like.....

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/templar_knight_tattoo_by_maffikus.jpg)
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 10, 2009, 08:24:53 AM
This date in history:

1190 – Third Crusade: Frederick I Barbarossa drowns in the river Saleph while leading an army to Jerusalem.  :'(
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 10, 2009, 09:15:15 AM
I shall hold a tankard of German brew high in his honor!

(http://i43.tinypic.com/izujcy.jpg)
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 10, 2009, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on June 10, 2009, 05:32:51 AM
That's a lot of squiggly lines! I'm quite sure when you get it finished, it will look something like.....

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/templar_knight_tattoo_by_maffikus.jpg)

Or perhaps like this....

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2586j5w.jpg)
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Post by: Femme Falchion on June 10, 2009, 03:06:13 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on June 10, 2009, 08:24:53 AM
This date in history:

1190 – Third Crusade: Frederick I Barbarossa drowns in the river Saleph while leading an army to Jerusalem.  :'(

Damn that chainmail armor!  Sunk like a rock.  Thank goodness for all the new generation materials that our current warriors employ.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 10, 2009, 03:28:10 PM
Current IBA and its' close relatives have gone through a series of modifications, which include quick relases now to prevent folks from drowning during less than desirable incidents (roll overs).

The bigger the wearer is the heavier the plates involved! :P
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 10, 2009, 03:45:41 PM
Some say if the Kaiser stayed alive Jerusalem may of been reclaimed.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/azb6dh.jpg)
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Post by: Just Jesse on June 10, 2009, 04:20:46 PM
its not finished yet, i get it colored in 2 weeks, my right arm will be oceanic/pirate, and my left arm will be medieval....
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 10, 2009, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on June 10, 2009, 03:45:41 PM
Some say if the Kaiser stayed alive Jerusalem may of been reclaimed.

Without a doubt.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Frederick.jpg)


Quote from: Templar Jesse on June 10, 2009, 04:20:46 PM
its not finished yet, i get it colored in 2 weeks, my right arm will be oceanic/pirate, and my left arm will be medieval....

I can only assume now that you're right handed.... ::)
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Post by: Just Jesse on June 10, 2009, 07:30:03 PM
Well, i want my medieval/templar stuff onmy left arm, because of the cross on the left side....i mite get a red latin cross on my left brest ahha
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Post by: Femme Falchion on June 10, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on June 10, 2009, 07:30:03 PM
i mite get a red latin cross on my left brest ahha

My left brest I've been savin' fur somethin' special......

Did Kaiser really have that shock of red hair? 
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Post by: Richard de Graeme on June 11, 2009, 05:38:59 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on June 10, 2009, 03:45:41 PM
Some say if the Kaiser stayed alive Jerusalem may of been reclaimed.


As me old Pappy used to say,"If a frog had wings, he wouldn't be bumpin' his butt on logs all day." ;D
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 11, 2009, 07:43:28 AM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on June 11, 2009, 05:38:59 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on June 10, 2009, 03:45:41 PM
Some say if the Kaiser stayed alive Jerusalem may of been reclaimed.


As me old Pappy used to say,"If a frog had wings, he wouldn't be bumpin' his butt on logs all day." ;D

This smacks of heretical scepticism! ;) :P

Quote from: Femme Falchion on June 10, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
My left brest I've been savin' fur somethin' special......


Just not even gonna go there.......... :o :P
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 11, 2009, 07:59:20 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on June 10, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
Did Kaiser really have that shock of red hair? 

Indeed he did my sister
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 11, 2009, 09:15:16 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on June 11, 2009, 07:59:20 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on June 10, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
Did Kaiser really have that shock of red hair? 

Indeed he did my sister

As Brother William pointed out, He was a tall, stalwart man of majestic appearance. He had a long red beard and so the people called him Barbarossa, or Red-Beard.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 11, 2009, 07:02:32 PM
Apparently we've lost a whole page of posts again. :'(
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 12, 2009, 08:34:00 PM

Are you sure brother?  Everything seems to be in order.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 13, 2009, 06:54:02 AM
We are missing the photo that Mother Confessor posted of her wee Monks.....
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 13, 2009, 04:54:15 PM
A new installment of "Monk Motivationals":

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/posterChristianity.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/posterCommitment.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/posterTeamwork.jpg)
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 16, 2009, 06:56:48 AM
New book alert!

Lady LeFay ordered a new book for my library that just arrived yesterday:

http://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-History-Crades-Crader-Knights/dp/0754819000/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245153274&sr=8-1

On images alone, I would highly recommend this book for your collection!!!
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Post by: Femme Falchion on June 16, 2009, 07:43:06 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on June 13, 2009, 06:54:02 AM
We are missing the photo that Mother Confessor posted of her wee Monks.....

My apologies, I decided that the picture might be too scandalous and removed it.  :)  We have just returned from a few restorative (not really) days at the ocean.

Enjoyed the new motivational pieces!
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Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 16, 2009, 03:18:36 PM
moose such cute creatures though i don't want to make one mad.
i didn't leave the elderly lady with the camels but got a kick out of the bison in her window
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 16, 2009, 07:57:40 PM
Monk trivia:

This is Ronald Reagan's funeral in the National Cathedral, what do you see?

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/RonaldReagansfuneral.jpg)
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Post by: Femme Falchion on June 16, 2009, 08:44:14 PM
Is it a chimp in the alcove?

Perhaps the symbol in the center of the crossing has something to do with it?

Are you ready to confess that a legendary sacred vessel is buried under there?
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 17, 2009, 04:41:03 AM

(http://i40.tinypic.com/33oo8x5.jpg)

?
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 17, 2009, 05:28:37 AM
Although Brother William brings up a valid point (perhaps he's a Turcopole), and Mother Confessor banged a suggestion nearly on top of it........ it's the mosaic under the casket....it's the Cross of Jerusalem!   ;D
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 17, 2009, 06:13:37 AM
Amazing! How about that, I see it now plain as day, and I thought all along it was spot the Turcopole  ;) ;D

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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 17, 2009, 07:35:34 AM
Today in our era of history:

June 17

1194: Richard the Lionheart's second coronation

On his way home from the Holy Land in March of 1192, Richard was shipwrecked, captured, and handed over to Emperor Henry VI. A large portion of the 150,000-mark ransom was raised through heavy taxing of the people of England, and Richard was freed in February of 1194. Upon returning to England he had a second coronation to demonstrate that he still had control of the country, then promptly went to Normandy and never returned. The next five years were spent in periodic warfare with King Philip II of France. Richard died from a wound inflicted when besieging the castle of Châlus. The English crown passed to his brother John.


1239:  Edward I "Longshanks" (for you Braveheart followers) was born.

Known as "Longshanks" for his extraordinary height, Edward, son of King Henry III, was a strong-willed, militaristic king who succeeded in subduing Wales but failed to conquer Scotland, although he earned the sobriquet of "Hammer of the Scots".

In the baronial civil war during his father's reign, when Henry's authority was seriously put under pressure by Simon de Montfort, Edward changed sides several times, eventually opting to back the king. He staged an audacious raid in 1263, stealing gold from the Templars in London to pay for troops. :o >:(

And before he was King and out in the country side smashing Scotsmen , he had answered the call.....

Edward took the cross in an elaborate ceremony on 24 June 1268, along with his brother Edmund and cousin Henry of Almain. Among others who committed themselves to the cause were former adversaries like the earl of Gloucester, though the earl did not end up going. With the country pacified, the greatest impediment to the project was providing sufficient finances.  King Louis IX of France, who was the leader of the crusade, provided a loan of about £17,500. This, however, was not enough; the rest had to be raised through a lay tax, something which had not happened since 1237. In May 1270, Parliament granted a tax of a twentieth, in exchange for which the king agreed to reconfirm Magna Carta, and to impose restrictions on Jewish money lending. On 20 August Edward sailed from Dover for France. It is impossible to determine the size of the force with any certainty, but Edward probably brought with him around 225 knights and all together less than 1000 men.

The original goal of the crusade was to relieve the beleaguered Christian stronghold of Acre, but Louis had been diverted to Tunis. The French king and his brother Charles of Anjou, who had made himself king of Sicily, decided to attack the emirate in order to establish a stronghold in North Africa. The plans failed when the French forces were struck by an epidemic which, on 25 August, took the life of King Louis himself. By the time Edward arrived at Tunis, Charles had already signed a treaty with the emir, and there was little else to do than to return to Sicily. The crusade was postponed until next spring, but a devastating storm off the coast of Sicily dissuaded Charles of Anjou and Louis's successor Philip III from any further campaigning.  Edward decided to continue alone, and on 9 May 1271 he finally landed at Acre.


The situation in the Holy Land at the time of Edward's arrival was a precarious one. Jerusalem had fallen in 1187, and Acre was now the centre of the Christian state. The Muslim states were on the offensive under the Mamluk leadership of Baibars, and were now threatening Acre itself. Though Edward's men were an important addition to the garrison, they stood little chance against Baibars' superior forces, and an initial raid at nearby St Georges-de-Lebeyne in June was largely futile.   An embassy to the Mongols helped bring about an attack on Aleppo in the north, allowing the crusading armies a distraction. In November, Edward led a raid on Qaqun, which could have served as a bridgehead to Jerusalem, but both the Mongol invasion and the attack on Qaqun failed. Things now seemed increasingly desperate, and in May 1272 Hugh III of Cyprus, who was the nominal king of Jerusalem, signed a ten-year truce with Baibars. Edward was initially defiant, but an attack by a Muslim assassin in June forced him to abandon any further campaigning. Even though he managed to kill the assassin, he was struck in the arm by a poisoned dagger, and became strongly reduced physically over the next months.

It was not until 24 September that Edward left Acre. Arriving in Sicily, he was met with the news that Henry III had died on 16 November. Edward was deeply saddened by this news, but rather than hurrying home at once, he made a leisurely journey northwards. This was partly due to his health still being poor, but also due to a lack of urgency. The political situation in England was stable after the mid-century upheavals, and Edward was proclaimed king at his father's death, rather than at his own coronation, as had up until then been customary. The new king embarked on an overland journey through Italy and France, where among other things he visited the pope in Rome and suppressed a rebellion in Gascony. Only on 2 August 1274 did he return to England, and was crowned on 19 August.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 18, 2009, 05:30:21 AM
And here's a European representation of the pot helm under maile:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/t008.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 18, 2009, 08:06:44 AM
I must say, I would personally prefer the uncovered variation
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 18, 2009, 08:36:08 AM
On this date (June 18th) in our "era" of history:

1098: the City of Antioch was under seige by Christian forces of the First Crusade, it will fall in a matter of days. ;D

1155, Frederick Barbarossa crowned the Holy Roman Emperor.

Frederick was born in 1122. In 1147 he became Duke of Swabia, and shortly afterwards made his first trip to the East,
accompanying his uncle, the German king Conrad III, on the Second Crusade. The expedition proved to be a disaster, but Frederick distinguished himself and won the complete confidence of the king.

Frederick vowed to take up the cross at the Diet of Mainz in 1188. Frederick embarked on the Third Crusade (1189), a massive expedition in conjunction with the French, led by king Philip Augustus, and the English, under Richard the Lionheart. He organized a grand army of 100,000 men (including 20,000 knights) and set out on the overland route to the Holy Land. However, some historians believe that this is an exaggeration and that the true figure might be closer to 15,000 men, including 3,000 knights.

The Crusaders passed through Hungary, Serbia and Bulgaria and then entered Byzantine territory, arriving at Constantinople in the autumn of 1189. From there they pushed on through Anatolia (where they were victorious in taking Aksehir and Konya) and entered Cilician Armenia. The approach of the immense German army greatly concerned Saladin and the other Muslim leaders, who began to rally troops of their own and prepare to confront Barbarossa's forces.

However, on 10 June 1190, Frederick drowned in the River Saleph as his army was approaching Antioch from Armenia; Arab historians report that his army had encamped before the river, and Frederick had gone to the river to bathe when he drowned in it. Frederick's death plunged his army into chaos. Leaderless, panicked, and attacked on all sides by Turks, many Germans deserted, were killed, or even committed suicide. Only 5,000 soldiers, a small fraction of the original force, arrived in Acre. Barbarossa's son, Frederick VI of Swabia, carried on with the remnants of the army, with the aim of burying the Emperor in Jerusalem, but efforts to conserve his body in vinegar failed. Hence, his flesh was interred in the Church of St Peter in Antiochia, his bones in the cathedral of Tyre, and his heart and inner organs in Tarsus. In the end, the actions of both Frederick Barbarossa and his son, Frederick II (Frederick VI, Duke of Swabia) have been judged anachronistic, blind and an example of ill-fated heroism.

Frederick's early death left the Crusader army under the command of the rivals Philip II of France and Richard I of England ("Lionheart"), who had travelled to Palestine separately by sea, and ultimately led to its dissolution.

Comparison has been made between Henry II of England and Frederick Barbarossa. Both were considered to be the greatest and most charismatic leaders of the age. Each had a rare combination of qualities which made them appear to be superhuman to their contemporaries. They possessed longevity, boundless ambition, extraordinary organizing skill, and greatness on the battlefield. They were handsome and proficient in courtly skills, without appearing effeminate or affected. Both came to the throne in the prime of manhood. Each had an element of learning, without being considered impractical intellectuals, but rather more inclined to practicality. Each found himself in the possession of new legal institutions which were put to creative use in governing. Both Henry and Frederick were viewed to be sufficiently and formally devout to the teachings of the Church, without being moved to the extremes of spirituality seen in the great saints of the twelfth century. In making final decisions, each relied solely upon their own judgment.  Both were interested in gathering as much power as they could.




Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 19, 2009, 09:21:47 AM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/t0thma.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 19, 2009, 09:31:50 AM
A scene from Ivanhoe!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 20, 2009, 10:49:07 AM
I know it's a day early, but many of us will be out and about tomorrow, so here's my message:

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I also stumbled upon this rendition of the interrogation of Jacques DeMolay:

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 21, 2009, 07:28:07 PM
The History of Father's Day

The earliest record of Father's Day was found in the ruins of Babylon. A young boy named Elmesu carved a Father's Day message on a card made out of clay nearly 4,000 years ago. He wished his Babylonian father good health and a long life!
Mrs. John B. Dodd, of Washington, first proposed the idea of a "father's day" in 1909. She wanted a special day to honour her father, William Smart. He was a Civil War veteran widowed when his wife died in childbirth with their sixth child. Mr. Smart was left to raise the newborn and his other five children by himself on a rural farm in eastern Washington state. It was after Mrs. Dodd became an adult that she realized the strength and selflessness her father had shown in raising his children as a single parent. Therefore, the first Father's Day was observed on June 19, 1910 in Spokane Washington.

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"It is a wise father that knows his child"  ~Wm. Shakespeare

  A blessed and happy Father's Day to all


   SWM
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 22, 2009, 06:24:40 AM
In a lot adjacent to the fortress you will discover clues of a Templar presence in the area

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2009, 07:34:38 AM
This gives me an idea...... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 22, 2009, 08:52:48 AM
We managed to visit the Kentucky Highland Renaissance Festival Saturday. Even with the mercury hitting the 90 mark and humidity resembling that of a tropical rain forest we still managed to have a most excellent time.

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We were asked questions all day, like....

"aren't you guys burning up?"

"theres no way I could wear all that on a day like today" 

"you guys gotta be roasting"

"thats gotta be so hot wearing that"

"I can't imaging wearing all that I would be dieing" 

" Man, looking at you guys makes me feel even hotter than it already is"

"Do those helmets make you head hot?"

And of course you know my immediate response was " Its not even half the heat my fallen brothers endured at the Horns of Hattin!" 

It was too much fun though as the staff is awesome, we were also able to reunite with some ole friends and met a lot of new ones too.  We even got to watch the Scottish pipe & drum band Albannach perform two shows and had the opportunity to hear Scottish historian David Ross speak as well.  We helped the King in the knighting of new recruits to shire, and I even got to indulge in some haggis, a few pints of Guinness and about 5 gallons of water.  All-n-all a great day!

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Aaaaaaah..shade... shade good
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 22, 2009, 09:12:21 AM
Sir Joseph Von Lamar

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2009, 09:17:18 AM
AWESOME!


BTW, that is not your typical Norman helm I see there, but both Brothers wear versions of the KoH line of noggin covers...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 22, 2009, 09:24:44 AM
Yes! We rarely wear our KoH buckets although decided to on this day. Do you know why???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2009, 09:27:45 AM
Springs of Cresson memorial tribute? The fall of Antioch in 1098?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 22, 2009, 09:33:40 AM
Nope! We wore them because...

God Wills It!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2009, 09:37:36 AM
Well played! Can't argue with that!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 22, 2009, 09:46:20 AM
alright who turned on the ultra heat?

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2009, 09:49:49 AM
It's called "Purification" Sister....if you can't handle the heat...stay out of the sin! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 22, 2009, 09:52:45 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 22, 2009, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on June 22, 2009, 09:17:18 AM
BTW, that is not your typical Norman helm I see there, but both Brothers wear versions of the KoH line of noggin covers...

Seriously though. The one nice things about the KoH helms are is that they are so lite you can't even tell your wearing them.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2009, 12:16:10 PM
Were you sporting the mail shirts? I did and I now endorse the Crusader Water Weight Loss Program.

Forget your AB and Thigh masters....throw out those useless dietary plans...........

30+ lbs and 30 minutes in the sun, and you'll notice the pounds just dripping away.........Deus vult! :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 22, 2009, 12:25:41 PM
No maile shirts here.  It took enough WD-40 to dose the coifs when we were done. I couldn't imagine sporting a haulberk underneath everything.  I already had a continuous waterfall just coming off my nose. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2009, 12:31:41 PM
Ah yes......know the effect well! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 22, 2009, 12:39:29 PM
I found one thing that does help and thats Under Armour HeatGear.  I wore mine this weekend and I my brother did not.  You could notice the difference visually as my brothers upper part of his robe looked as if he went swimming as mine did not and mine remained dry all day.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on June 22, 2009, 12:53:29 PM
Greeting Brothers & Sisters.......I've been remiss in my postings.  Still recovering from the longest day of the year  ;)

Brother William you look fantastic, as does your comrade.  I've had the pleasure of seeing Albannach several times......inspirational, don't you think?

What exactly is the Under Armour HeatGear?  I'm often overheating as well (but can handle the sin, WM)  ;) .

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2009, 12:53:43 PM
Now that we opened this subject, I thought I'd shed a little light on our continual reference to the Brothers at Hattin in 87.

This post gives a quick rundown of the seasonal factors you should consider when studying what the European Crusaders had to endure while conducting operations in the Outremer.

Spring (March, April and May) are on average in the low 20's (60 degrees) or Autumn (October and November) when temperatures are still good, around the high 20's, in the center of the country.

Temperatures are usually higher, often much higher, in the South of the country and around the Dead Sea and Sea of Galilee areas.

The Winter months are not really Winter as most of us know it. There are occasional days of rain, and the odd deluge of snow in Jerusalem and the upper reaches of the Galilee and Golan Heights (Syria), but it is fairly mild in the Outremer.

As mentioned above, you wouldn't think they'd conduct operations in the peak summer months of July (Hattin was fought on 4 July, 1187) and August, especially in the center of the country where the humidity levels can prove stifling. Average summer temperatures in the center of the country are over 30C (mid 80 degrees) and closer to 40C (roughly 104 degrees) in the South and around Galilee.


And there you have it.... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2009, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on June 22, 2009, 12:53:29 PM
I'm often overheating as well.



Hhhhmmmm   what to do, what to do....... ::) :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on June 22, 2009, 01:20:08 PM
Perhaps a confession would do Brother?  In honor of the Summer Solstice I'm running a 2 for 1 special on avowals of elicit thoughts.  ;) :P :)

So why then did the Crusaders pursue Hattin in July when conditions were so unfavorable for combat?  (Other than GOD WILLED IT).
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2009, 01:23:04 PM
Walked right into that one....must be the heat! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2009, 01:26:45 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on June 22, 2009, 01:20:08 PM
Perhaps a confession would do Brother?  In honor of the Summer Solstice I'm running a 2 for 1 special on avowals of elicit thoughts.  ;) :P :)

So why then did the Crusaders pursue Hattin in July when conditions are so unfavorable for combat?  (Other than GOD WILLED IT).

It was a predictable response to a Muslim incursion, and with the "divinely inspired" help of Gerard de Ridefort, the weak and almost nonexistent will of the King of Jerusalem (King Guy)...the Saracen were virtually assured a victory.  :'(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 22, 2009, 02:15:05 PM
Don't let me get started on Ridefort! That worthless piece of #!%%#$@&@%*&!


Quote from: Femme Falchion on June 22, 2009, 12:53:29 PM
I've had the pleasure of seeing Albannach several times......inspirational, don't you think?

Enjoyed them! I actually just ordered their LIVE disc. They do rock it in a Scottish way no doubt! 

They also have Tartanic playing there for a few weekends too!

Quote from: Femme Falchion on June 22, 2009, 12:53:29 PM
What exactly is the Under Armour HeatGear

www.UnderArmour.com/HeatGear


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 22, 2009, 07:45:55 PM
Tonight on History Channel International

10-12am -- The Crusades: Crescent & the Cross - #2.

In 1099 the Crusaders took Jerusalem in the bloodiest of battles, wrenching it back from the Muslims for the first time in 400 years. But, over the decades that followed, the Islamic world dreamed of fighting back. In 1144 the Muslims seized the city of Edessa from the Christians. The news reverberated back to Europe, and the Pope called for a Second Crusade. But this Crusade was a disaster. It failed to expand the Christian empire, and strengthened the resolve of the Muslims. Under their great leader, Saladin, the Muslim swept through the Christian Kingdom taking town after town. In 1187 he took Jerusalem. This shocked the west into responding, with a Third Crusade. Led by Richard the Lionheart they defeated Saladin and marched on Jerusalem. Richard failed to take the city and the Third Crusade failed.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2009, 09:02:34 PM
Good thing I have this on other forms of media..... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 23, 2009, 12:48:06 AM
Indeed
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 23, 2009, 06:59:35 AM
It is with a heavy heart :'(, that I must now inform the Green Monk, that we will not be attending Bristol this year. Due to the Queen suffering an unexpected injury, I have found it in her best interest to remain here and allow her time to be attended by a physician and heal. It was originally her idea to attend this function, and she would still very much like to, but a 14hr trip up, with a 5 year old Princess in tow, would not be in her physical best interest. :(

Although it may not be a faire, I will get to meet some folks this year ;D (especially in July) and still get to plan on her newest suggestion for attendance: (Carolina Renaissance Festival). This seems to have developed under some pagan influence ;), so if it be the will of the Almighty, we will attend in October-November time frame. I of course will keep it in perspective............. an Albigensian perspective of course.

On a special note for July, put in your orders now for a special, one of a kind, limited edition print of the "Gathering the Hammers of God"!  Stocks will go fast, so hurry now and don't be late. They're sure to be a Collector's item as soon as they're published! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 23, 2009, 07:49:09 AM
It is most saddening to receive word of Lady LeFay's untimely injury. We wish her the absolute best on her road to a speedy recovery.. Deus Vult!

I shall now set my sights and preparations for the historical "Gathering of the Hammers of God" invading the Circle City on thy seventh month.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on June 23, 2009, 08:26:53 AM
Our prayers continue to be with Lady FeFay.

Your crusade plans for the fall sound more like a threat than a pleasure cruise Warrior Monk.   ;) :P  I know you will find the good populace of Fairhaven to be kind, open-minded, forward thinking and radiant.  ;)  

In other words, if you thought the Cathars were bad, you ain't seen nothin'.....   ;D ;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 23, 2009, 08:32:41 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on June 23, 2009, 08:26:53 AM
Our prayers continue to be with Lady FeFay.

Your crusade plans for the fall sound more like a threat than a pleasure cruise Warrior Monk.   ;) :P  I know you will find the good populace of Fairhaven to be kind, open-minded, forward thinking and radiant.  ;)  

In other words, if you thought the Cathars were bad, you ain't seen nothin'.....   ;D ;)




Thank you all for your kind words, I will be most happy, eager, and pleased to show her upon my return home this evening!

As for the invitation, I look forward to it. And for the record, my 5 year old Sith Princess (Darth Brynnius) makes Cathar and Saracen camps look like Buddist Monk Day Care facility! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 23, 2009, 08:41:20 AM
don't worry i'm being good and staying inside a lot
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 26, 2009, 08:02:21 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on June 26, 2009, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on June 23, 2009, 06:59:35 AM
It is with a heavy heart :'(, that I must now inform the Green Monk, that we will not be attending Bristol this year. Due to the Queen suffering an unexpected injury, I have found it in her best interest to remain here and allow her time to be attended by a physician and heal. It was originally her idea to attend this function, and she would still very much like to, but a 14hr trip up, with a 5 year old Princess in tow, would not be in her physical best interest. :(


Warrior Monk, I am indeed saddened to hear of thy Queen's demise and wish her a swift and thorough recovery.  :( Please do convey my sentiments thus to Lady LeFay and thine young Princess. Thy wisdom is true. Such a journey would cause undo hardship for all. Perhaps next year Sir William and Femme Falchion may be persuaded to join the caravan and attend Bristol? What say ye all? Shall we meet in the turning of the Year?

Having just returned from the North, completing a Solstice paddle in my trusty canoe "Borderland", the Green Monk, is renewed, hale, hearty, and steeled for the upcoming Faire season. ;D

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 30, 2009, 03:22:50 PM
One would very much indeed love to attend.  Time will only tell if a visit will be granted.

Now... Hail Monday!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 30, 2009, 05:29:43 PM
Fighting through to Monday...

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 01, 2009, 08:50:05 AM
Movie FYI:

King Richard and the Crusaders (1954)

The film invents a military order of "Castelaines" or "Castlers", of which Sir Giles (Robert Douglas) is the Master. In the source novel, these characters are Knights Templar, whom Sir Walter Scott invariably depicted as villains. It is unclear whether the change was made because of the Production Code (Templars were a monastic order, so hostile depictions might fall under the rules against negative depictions of clergy), or to avoid upsetting the Masonic Knights Templar, of which a number of distinguished Hollywood figures were members.


I'm looking for this one, if anyone knows where I can find it on DVD....... ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on July 01, 2009, 09:14:23 AM
Quite a cast, I must say!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047150/

It is hard to imagine an old fart, such as myself, has no recollection of ever seeing this movie! :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on July 01, 2009, 01:07:44 PM
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...snort...snort...wonder where they are...zzzzzzz.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 01, 2009, 01:41:58 PM
I'm trying to track it down. I have a sizable collection of very old medieval themed movies, and I don't have this one......... :(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 01, 2009, 05:30:01 PM
In the coming days, many will celebrate for many a variety of reasons. I wish you all safe times, and leave you with another 4th of July incident of historical importance:

The Horns of Hattin:

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Background

When Baldwin IV finally succumbed to his leprosy in 1185, Baldwin V became King, but he was a sickly child and died within a year. Guy went with Sibylla to Jerusalem for his stepson's funeral in 1186, along with an armed escort, with which he garrisoned the city. Raymond III, who was jealous to protect his own influence and his new political ally, the dowager queen Maria Comnena, was making arrangements to summon the Haute Cour when Sibylla was crowned queen by Patriarch Eraclius. Raynald of Chatillon gained popular support for Sibylla by affirming that she was "li plus apareissanz et plus dreis heis dou rouame" ("the most evident and rightful heir of the kingdom"). With the clear support of the church Sibylla was undisputed sovereign.

However, before she was crowned she agreed with oppositional court members that she would annul her marriage with Guy to please them, as long as she would be given free choice in her next husband. The leaders of the Haute Cour agreed, and Sibylla was crowned thereafter as queen regnant. Taking her choice as husband, to the astonishment of the rival court faction, she remarried Guy, who became King in August 1186. The Queen removed the crown from her head and handed it to Guy, permitting him to crown himself, at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, in September 1186.

Guy of Lusignan became king of Jerusalem in 1186, in thanks to the antics of his wife Sibylla, after the death of Sibylla's son Baldwin V. The Kingdom of Jerusalem was at this time divided between the "court faction" of Guy, Sibylla, and relative newcomers to the kingdom such as Raynald of Chatillon, as well as Gerard of Ridefort and the Knights Templar; and the "nobles' faction", led by Raymond III of Tripoli, who had been regent for the child-king Baldwin V and had opposed the succession of Guy. Disgusted, Raymond of Tripoli watched as his fellow barons hastened to Jerusalem to make obeisance to King Guy and Queen Sibylla. The great lord of Tripoli rode in the opposite direction, up the Jordan River Valley to Tiberias. The situation was so tense that there was almost open warfare between Raymond and Guy, who wanted to besiege Tiberias, a fortress held by Raymond through his wife Eschiva, Princess of Galilee. War was avoided through the mediation of Raymond's supporter Balian of Ibelin.

Meanwhile, the Muslim states surrounding the kingdom had been united during the 1170s and 1180s by Saladin. Saladin had been appointed vizier of Egypt in 1169 and soon came to rule the country as sultan. In 1174, he imposed his rule over Damascus; his authority extended to Aleppo by 1176 and Mosul by 1183. For the first time, the Kingdom of Jerusalem was encircled by Muslim territory united under one ruler. The crusaders defeated Saladin at the Battle of Montgisard in 1177, and in the early 1180s there was an uneasy truce between the two sides, which was broken by the raids of Raynald on Muslim caravans passing through his fief of Oultrejordain. Raynald also threatened to attack Mecca itself.

When Guy became king, Raymond made a separate truce with Saladin, and in 1187 allowed the sultan to send an army into the northern part of the kingdom. At the same time, an embassy was on its way from Jerusalem to Tripoli to negotiate a settlement between Raymond and Guy. This embassy was defeated at the Battle of Cresson on May 1, by a small force under the command of Al-Afdal. Raymond, wracked with guilt, reconciled with Guy, who assembled the entire army of the kingdom and marched north to meet Saladin.

Siege of Tiberias

After reconciling, Raymond and Guy met at Acre with the bulk of the crusader army. According to the claims of some European sources, it consisted of 1,200 knights, a greater number of lighter cavalry, and perhaps 10,000 foot soldiers, supplemented by crossbowmen from the Italian merchant fleet, and a large number of mercenaries (including Turcopoles) hired with money donated to the kingdom by Henry II of England. Also with the army was the relic of the True Cross, carried by the Bishop of Acre, who was there in place of the ailing Patriarch Heraclius.

On July 2, Saladin, who wanted to lure Guy into moving his army away from the springs at Saffuriya, personally led a siege of Raymond's fortress of Tiberias while the main Muslim army remained at Kafr Sabt. The garrison at Tiberias tried to pay Saladin off, but he refused, later stating that "when the people realized they had an opponent who could not be tricked and would not be contented with tribute, they were afraid lest war might eat them up and they asked for quarter...but the servant gave the sword dominion over them." The fortress fell the same day. A tower was mined and, when it fell, Saladin's troops stormed the breach killing the opposing forces and taking prisoners.

Holding out, Raymond's wife Eschiva was besieged in the citadel. As the mining was begun on that structure, news was received by Saladin that Guy was moving the Frank army east. The Crusaders had taken the bait.

Guy's decision to leave the safety of his defenses was the result of a Crusader war council held the night of July 2. Though reports of what happened at this meeting are biased due to personal feuds among the Franks, it seems Raymond argued that a march from Acre to Tiberias was exactly what Saladin wanted while Sephoria was a strong position for the Crusaders to defend. Furthermore, Guy shouldn't worry about Tiberias, which Raymond held personally and was willing to give up for the safety of the kingdom. In response to this argument, and despite their reconciliation (internal court politics remaining strong), Raymond was accused of cowardice by Gerard and Raynald. The latter influenced Guy to attack immediately.

Guy thus ordered the army to march against Saladin at Tiberias, which is indeed just what Saladin had planned, for he had calculated that he could defeat the crusaders only in a field battle rather than by besieging their fortifications.

East versus West

The Christian forces, led by King Guy of Jerusalem, numbered 1200 knights, 4000 lighter cavalry and 15000 – 18000 infantry. Saladin's host contained 12000 professional cavalry, or faris, with other horsemen and infantry bringing the Muslim army to a strength of around 30-45,000.

The Christian army resumed their march toward Tiberius – which was under siege by Muslim forces - at dawn on the 4th of July, 1187. They had been constantly harassed by Saladin's army since leaving Sephorie the day before and morale was low due to thirst and exhaustion.

Saladin had instructed bundles of dried brushwood placed on the surrounding hills the night before and dug cisterns which had been filled with water brought up from Lake Tiberius by camel train. He now ordered his troops to light these bundles, and pour water on the ground in full view of the thirsty crusaders. The choking smoke and taunting muslims further demoralized the Christians.

Saladin then attacked with his centre and right flank. The Templars counter-charged and the Christian vanguard attacked the Muslim right wing. The Crusader cavalry succeeded in driving off the initial Muslim assaults but lost many horses.
Morale began to disintegrate and many of the Christian infantry began heading eastwards. King Guy ordered the army to halt and pitch tents in the hope of providing a barrier to further Muslim cavalry attacks.

It was at this point that Raymond of Tripoli attempted to break through the encircling Muslims and led his men in a wild charge northwards. The Muslim cavalry merely swung aside to let him pass and closed the ring again. Raymond was unable to charge back up the hill and led his men away from the battle.

Titans collide

There was a hill nearby with two pronounced crests known as the Horns of Hattin. The Christian infantry sought refuge on the nearby northern Horn of Hattin, and, despite entreaties from the cavalry below, refused to budge. The Knights, realizing how exposed they were, occupied the flat-topped southern Horn, pitching the Royal tent as a rallying standard.
Saladin now ordered his foot-soldiers to attack the Christian infantry. After a fierce and desperate slaughter, those Christian soldiers who had not been killed either surrendered or were captured. Saladin then directed his attentions to the Christian nobility on the southern Horn.

Muslim cavalry attacked the Crusader Knights, who made several counter-charges, coming close enough to endanger Saladin himself. After 2 attempts, Muslim faris managed to battle their way onto the summit of the southern Horn and cut the guy ropes of the Royal tent. The tent fell, and with it any further resolve the crusaders may have had to continue fighting.

Saladin had captured almost all of the nobility of the Crusader states, including King Guy, the Master of the Hospitallers, the Master of the Templars; Gerard de Ridefort and the notorious Reynald of Chatillon. The Templars and Hospitallers were given the choice of converting to Islam or execution. In total, 230 were put to death.

Gerard was given the condition by Saladin that, if he could convince a Templar fortress to surrender peacefully, he would be set free. He succeeded and on his release went to Tortosa, where he ably led the Templars' defence of their castle, which held out after the fall of the town to Saladin's siege forces. Having taken back control of his order from Thierry, he seems to have seized the remainder of Henry II's money which had been left with the Templars in Tyre. This provoked a complaint from the city's defender, Conrad of Montferrat, in letters of 20 September 1188 to Baldwin of Exeter and Frederick Barbarossa: "...graver still, the Master of the Temple has made off with the King of England's alms".

In 1189, he again joined forces with Guy, taking the Templars to the Siege of Acre. He was either killed in battle or executed after being taken prisoner by Saladin again on October 1.

Many of the knights and Barons were ransomed but the majority of the Crusader infantry were sold into slavery. Possibly as many as 3000 Christians managed to escape the battle, including Balian d'Ibelin, whom had commanded the rearguard and would win lasting fame for his defense of Jerusalem in September 1187.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: BLAKDUKE on July 02, 2009, 03:33:23 PM
My good Templar:

The movie you speak of is readily available on E-bay, I have seen several.  I have heve it VHS and could copy it for you, though the quality would not be the best. 

Am sad to hear of thy ladies injury.  Mine own queen is now well healed from the surgeons knives, poltices and leeches.
May your lady return to good health soon.

what are thy plans for this holiday weekend???????

Wilt thou be out and about, out and far gone, or just vegetating.   
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 04, 2009, 10:27:17 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 05, 2009, 03:02:06 PM
"The events of the morrow's afternoon will be legendary!"

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 06, 2009, 11:06:33 PM
Three years in the waiting. A gathering of warriors monks held at thee McCordia Preceptory has finally become a reality.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 07, 2009, 01:06:35 PM
Ahhhhh, the much anticipated images!  But there must be more?  (How about the shots after you guys kicked back a few....)

Love what you've done with the color effects! 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 07, 2009, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 07, 2009, 01:06:35 PM
(How about the shots after you guys kicked back a few....)

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Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 07, 2009, 01:06:35 PM
Love what you've done with the color effects! 

Glad you like it! Unfortunately, almost all photos taken with frere Cliffs camera along with mine ended up with a most bizarre blue tint. That is why the color effect was actually chosen.  The power of sorcery is highly suspected to cause such a malfunction especially when used against gods holy purpose.

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More images to follow

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 07, 2009, 05:55:47 PM
A mysterious blue mist pervades your images?  How curious.  Well, it certainly does not detract from the fierce handsomeness presented in your combined visages! 

While I cannot speak to the whereabouts of Frere Vert, I assure you, I have been far too busy taking confessions, overseeing the Grove in M'Lord's absence and preparing for the full moon eclipse rituals to expend any time hexing your glamour shots!  ;) :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 08, 2009, 07:02:19 AM
The bluish hue is surely a sign from the Almighty that he is pleased with this rally of Warrior Monks!  ;) ;D


And in case there are thread pilgrims that harbor doubt as to our sincerity to the cause forwarded by the likeness of our medieval Warrior Monk predessors, I share this with you.

My nightly accomodations rest within the shadow of this very Holy structure, the finest example of Frere William's preceptory's pious nature. (please take note of the "stone masons" working the exterior to keep it in pristine condition)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/P1010005-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 08, 2009, 09:05:46 AM
(http://i25.tinypic.com/11vgr2h.jpg)  (http://i43.tinypic.com/2e64un5.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on July 08, 2009, 10:08:52 AM
I know nothing of blue tint, halos and such. ::) Frere Vert was attending the Northern tribes and far out of range. ;) However, the souls of all Templars at Bristol this next end week, shall be captured and posted here. 8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 08, 2009, 10:49:54 AM
hmmm cruising the renstore pages and found templar cloaks on sale
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 08, 2009, 12:47:58 PM
*lunch break*

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/EPIC.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 11, 2009, 08:03:51 AM
Einen schönen Tag allerseits!

(http://i25.tinypic.com/2akn4mc.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 11, 2009, 03:20:16 PM
Just caught the last 30 minutes of Moments in Time: The Crusades on the Military Channel.

Episode Description: Christians had held the town of Acre for over 100 years. But on May 18, 1291, Muslim Saracens besieged the city and won a decisive victory. An Israeli archaeologist excavates the ruins to reveal the interest forces have shown in this area for centuries.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 11, 2009, 05:32:45 PM
A wonderful shot of two Teutonic Brothers!!!

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/2akn4mc.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 12, 2009, 03:14:48 AM
Wunderbar!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 13, 2009, 05:52:24 AM
This weekend added two more informational sources to the "unofficial Crusades Library of the South":

1. Richard the Lionheart ; J. Gillingham

2. Crusades ; Terry Jones & Alan Ereira (this volume is supposed to be used in conjunction with his DVDof the same title)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on July 13, 2009, 08:58:22 AM
Speaking of Richard the Lionheart, who should I meet at Bristol Faire but Lord Sir Clisto himself. He inquired about you Warrior Monk. Advised of your now defunct travel plans he was most diappointed, but hopes to meet you in the not too distant future.

(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/monkogreen/clisto.jpg)

More Bristol pictures soon.

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: ladyharrogate on July 13, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
great picture!  Keep them coming!  Ohh and the black and whites with the colored Maltese crosses are great!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 13, 2009, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on July 13, 2009, 08:58:22 AM
Speaking of Richard the Lionheart, who should I meet at Bristol Faire but Lord Sir Clisto himself. He inquired about you Warrior Monk. Advised of your now defunct travel plans he was most diappointed, but hopes to meet you in the not too distant future.


I am deeply saddened at the loss of such a great opportunity to meet such distinquished personages such as the two of you, but fate has delt an ugly card, and I must play my hand as is, until such a time as M'Lady is capable of long range travel. We are currently targeting the NC festival around October.....

Thanks for relaying the info. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on July 13, 2009, 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 13, 2009, 01:16:16 PM

I am deeply saddened at the loss of such a great opportunity to meet such distinguished personages such as the two of you, but fate has dealt an ugly card, and I must play my hand as is, until such a time as M'Lady is capable of long range travel. We are currently targeting the NC festival around October.....

Thanks for relaying the info. ;D

A hand nobly played, Warrior Monk. Your knowledge is held in high regard by Sir Clisto, as well as by yours truly. Paths will cross...it is written. ;D 8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 13, 2009, 06:02:28 PM
Your words are too kind, but do give purpose and motivation to complete such a meeting in the future. It took 3 years for Brother William and I to make a face to face meeting, but it did happen. So I will focus on the opportunities for such an event as this in our future. Currently NCRF......Deus Vult!


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/TheStorm.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 13, 2009, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 13, 2009, 06:02:28 PM
So I will focus on the opportunities for such an event as this in our future.!

I will make an attempt to do the same.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: ladyharrogate on July 14, 2009, 06:22:59 AM
Sir William and Warrior Monk, if you do make it to Carolina please let me know.  I direct the childrens troupe at CRF in the fall and will most definitely be there.  It's a wonderful festival and at a nice time of year, not too hot and not too cold.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2009, 12:46:23 PM
M'Lady, we will most certainly seek you out, since you've provided a clear rally point for the event.
As for a cool time of the year, that remains to be seen under the weight of "Divinely Ordained Warrior Monk" apparel... :P

Do you by chance know Femme Falchion, aka: Mother Confessor?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 14, 2009, 01:50:02 PM
I don't believe that Lady Harrogate and I have had the pleasure of formal introductions, although I suspect that we have admired one another from afar.   :) 

Brother William do you intend on coming to CRF as well?

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 14, 2009, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 14, 2009, 01:50:02 PM
Brother William do you intend on coming to CRF as well?

How I wish I could sister. Perhaps in the near future. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: ladyharrogate on July 14, 2009, 08:14:18 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 14, 2009, 01:50:02 PM
I don't believe that Lady Harrogate and I have had the pleasure of formal introductions, although I suspect that we have admired one another from afar.   :) 

Brother William do you intend on coming to CRF as well?




I guess I should introduce myself, I've been around the board for awhile but not said a whole lot.  My non character name is Angela Harris but my festival name is Lady Harrogate.  I work at CRF directing our wonderful childrens troupe (our kids rock) and help out at the joust now and then wrangling horses.  I also have a sewing/theatrical costuming business and sew for several jousters on the circuit and with SCA.  I've been married to my husband for twelve years as of this past Sunday and we have four kids between the ages of 5-9 (three girls, one boy) who love festival and theater and we also do theater in the Charlotte area.  If you've been to Carolina and seen kids clearing the field after the joust they were most likely mine LOL.   I also have three horses of my own that live in our backyard, a beautiful bay quarter horse, my anglo-arab gelding that I'm in the process of breaking and a two year old mustang filly.  I love jousting because it totally combines my love of history, theater and horses and there's a kinship amongst us horse people that you don't find in very many places.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 14, 2009, 08:46:08 PM
It's an honor to meet such a talented Lady.  I look forward to seeing you this fall! 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 15, 2009, 07:20:21 AM
Such a meeting should prove to be a good time indeed!

Now on to more historical items:

Evolution of the "arming cap" in the life of the Warrior Monk, my take on a special topic. ;)

Everyone is aware of the use of the arming cap when wearing armor covering the head. Not only does it prevent the abrasion of the scalp area by hard points in your helmet, but also the unwanted removal of hair, and additional padding against the kinetic energy release of a strike against the head region in combat.

There are many images that show the Warrior Monks of the Middle Ages wearing these items, and items similar in nature, so in this brief post I thought I would address the what, and whys of such images.

The zucchetto (plural zucchetti, Italian for "small gourd") is a small skullcap worn by clerics of the Roman Catholic Church. It was first adopted for practical reasons — to keep the clergy's tonsured heads warm in cold, damp churches — and has survived as a traditional item of dress. It consists of eight panels sewn together, with a stem at the top. Its name may derive from its resemblance to half of a pumpkin, or from the fact that it covers a larger "pumpkin" (the head).  Tonsure is the practice of some Christian churches of cutting the hair from the scalp of clerics as a symbol of their renunciation of worldly fashion and esteem.

All ordained members of the Roman Catholic Church are entitled to wear the zucchetto. As with much ecclesiastical apparel, the colour of the zucchetto denotes the wearer's rank: the Pope's zucchetto is white, those worn by cardinals are red, bishops are violet and, priests and deacons wear a black zucchetto. A black zucchetto with red piping is the mark of a protonotary apostolic. The Pope (from Greek: pappas, father; from Latin: papa, Papa, father) is the head of the Roman Catholic Church. ...  A bishop is an ordained member of the Christian clergy who, in certain Christian churches, holds a position of authority.

All clerics who hold the episcopal character (that is to say, bishops — whether the Pope, cardinals, titular bishops or diocesan bishops) wear the zucchetto throughout most of the Mass, removing it at the commencement of the Canon and replacing it at the conclusion of the Communion. Although no others are permitted to wear the zucchetto at Mass, the position of Knights of Christ may have allowed them this honor, or again, in the Holy Land, the practice of "Open Air" masses may have brought about this practice to keep the sun from bearing down on the Faithful during prayer times..

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on July 15, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
Bristol Faire July 12, 2009 by Richard de Graeme.

Temptation is always near! I attest to the fact the good Templar was weakening under such unrelenting pressure. :P :o ;D

(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/monkogreen/photo3.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 15, 2009, 12:17:39 PM
LOL.. What a great pic Richard!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 15, 2009, 03:10:32 PM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on July 15, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
Temptation is always near! I attest to the fact the good Templar was weakening under such unrelenting pressure. :P :o ;D

Was that a slip of the tongue Frere Vert?  Don't you mean salvation?   ;D ;)

Warrior Monk, I very much appreciate the information on the arming cap, you know I have special interest in this DOBA component.  It lends a sweet and gentle air to an otherwise hardened and bloodthirsty lot.   ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 15, 2009, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 15, 2009, 03:10:32 PM
Warrior Monk, I very much appreciate the information on the arming cap, you know I have special interest in this DOBA component.  It lends a sweet and gentle air to an otherwise hardened and bloodthirsty lot.   ;) :P

Really? You can use this word with regards to Warrior Monks? :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on July 15, 2009, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on July 15, 2009, 12:17:39 PM
LOL.. What a great pic Richard!

Thank you, Sir William. A great day for all!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on July 15, 2009, 03:45:06 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 15, 2009, 03:10:32 PM


Was that a slip of the tongue Frere Vert?  Don't you mean salvation?   ;D ;)


Temptation and salvation...dual edges to same blade, Sister. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 15, 2009, 04:46:11 PM
A late BTW note on this day in Our Era of History: :o

A sad day in the Teutonic Order's history :'(- the Battle of Grunwald! >:(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grunwald
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 20, 2009, 12:23:00 AM
Right at the last minute we decided to head back down to KYHRF to check out Tartanic, and say goodbye to this faire till next year as it was the last weekend.  You will never guess who we ran into.... 


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 20, 2009, 05:31:49 AM
Christopher Lee........no wait......Brendan Gleeson........no..........Frere Santa Claus?

Who man...spit it out! Were the magical representations done?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 20, 2009, 08:05:48 AM
Sorry my brother as it was none of thee above.

  It was none other than....




















































(http://i30.tinypic.com/j6s7ip.jpg)

He never saw us coming..

Game Over!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 20, 2009, 08:16:16 AM
for those of us with less experience..... what is it?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 20, 2009, 08:16:50 AM
LOL!

Assassin's Creed for Xbox 360- $50.00

Assassin's Creed Altair outfit for festival- $600.00

Finding out at the faire that you're not the "Assassin Bada$$" you hoped to be by encountering Warrior Monks of the Temple- Priceless!!

;D



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 20, 2009, 08:18:29 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 20, 2009, 08:16:16 AM
for those of us with less experience..... what is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin%27s_Creed

There are many ambiguities and incorrect info, but the graphics are awesome!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on July 20, 2009, 08:25:34 AM
Did you verbally engage the assassin Brother William?  That would make for some interesting role playing! 

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lairde Daniel on July 20, 2009, 09:52:09 AM
Hail all.  I have been looking at your past scribes and am very impressed with the knowledge that is present.  Warrior Monk, since I come from the highlands of Clan Robertson I am interested to know of any dealings between the Scottish Lairdes and the order of the Templars.  Would you please provide some enlightment?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 20, 2009, 10:02:17 AM
Pax vobiscum Lairde Daniel!

I will most certainly dig up what I can upon my return home. Let me start by saying that the Davinci Code didn't help by clarifying anything. Although it is known that the Templars held properties in Scotland, the whole Sinclaire thing is quite a mess. Roslyn was built well after the disolution of the Order.

There is some rumor that the first Grand Master was actually married to a Scottish lass. I will dig through my library and come up with Scottish related specifics.

There is also the epic fabrication of Templars coming to Robert the Bruces' rescue at Banockburn. The Knights in white turning back Edward II's forces due to their fierce reputation.

Welcome again! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lairde Daniel on July 20, 2009, 10:05:38 AM
Thank you kind brother.  While the highland blood runs through me, I am intrigued by the Knights and their history.  Don't think my kilts would go well with the surcoat!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 20, 2009, 10:28:50 AM
Quick assist (ref: trial of Templars)

In 1128 the cousin of St Bernard of Clairvaux, Hugues de Payens, who served on the First Crusade with Henri St Clair, 2nd Baron of Roslin, and is sometimes connected to Catherine St Clair, met King David I in Scotland. The Order established a seat at Balantrodoch, now Temple, Midlothian on the South Esk (River Esk, Lothian). In 1189 Alan FitzWalter, the 2nd Lord High Steward of Scotland was a benefactor of The Order.

In about the year 1187, William the Lion granted part of the Culter lands on the south bank of the River Dee, Aberdeenshire, to the Knights Templar and between 1221 and 1236 Walter Bisset of Aboyne founded a Preceptory for the Knights Templar. In 1287 and 1288 they built a Chapel dedicated to Mary the Mother of Christ, known as St Mary's Chapel and in November 1309, the names of a William Middleton of the "Tempill House of Culter" was recorded.

It has been claimed that in 1309 during the trial of the Templars in Scotland Bishop Lamberton of St Andrews, Guardian of Scotland 1299-1301 gave the Templars his protection, thought there is no evidence to support this. It should also be recorded that John of Fordun's Chronicle of the Scottish Nation a major Scottish mediaeval source makes no mention of the Templars at all.

The Knight Templars had considerable possessions in the County of Nairn, or Moray, in 1296. The following extract is taken from The History of Nairn:

" ...There is a writ extant granted in their [the Knight Templars] favour at Berwick, addressed to the Sheriff of Invernairn to put them in possession of their lands, they having made submission to Edward I. This was no doubt done. From the deed of conveyance of the Temple lands in the North from Lord Torpichen, the last Master of the Order, it appears that the following were the lands held here "Those two roods of arable land lying within the territory of the Burgh of Nairn, in that part thereof called possessed by John Rose, burgess of Nairn, and his sub-tenants; those two roods of arable temple land and house lying within the said territory of Nairn, possessed by Hew Rose of Kilravock and his sub-tenants; all and haill those our temple lands called the lands of Pitfundie lying in the said Sheriffdom of Nairn, betwixt the strype that conies from the lands of Brodie on the east, the fludder or myre upon the south side of the common muir called the Hardmuir on the south side, the lands of Penick and wood of Lochloy on the west, and the Euchcarse of Culbyn on the north, for the most part possessed by the lairds of Brodie, and their sub-tenants." They had also lands at Ardersier, which are designated in old charters as Temple Land, Temple Cruik, Temple Bank, Bogschand. They lay partly in the vicinity of the town of Ardersier, between Connage and the sea, and between Flemington and the sea. A charter granted at Nairn refers to the locus trialis at Ardersier, doubtless an ancient place of trial by "wager of battle." The Temple lands of Ardersier were held by Davidsons and Mackays as portioners. They were acquired by Cawdor in 1626. The Temple lands at Brodie and elsewhere appear to have been disposed of about the same time, as in a Brodie, charter of date 1626 the lands of Pitfundie are included in the Brodie estate.

The Knights of St. John of Jerusalem also had lands in Nairnshire. It is impossible now to identify them. When the Knights Templars were suppressed by Edward II, their property was given to the Knights of St. John.
"

In 1312 by the Papal Bull "Ad Providam" all assets of the Order of the Temple were given to Knights Hospitaller or Order of St. John except for Spain where they were succeeded by the Order of Montesa the Order of Calatrava, from which its first recruits were drawn, and Portugal where they became the Order of Christ and it has been claimed that in Scotland the Order combined with the Hospitallers and continued as The Order of St John and the Temple until the reformation, though there is no evidence to that effect.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lairde Daniel on July 20, 2009, 10:32:35 AM
Again, your knowledge is without description.  Thank you kind Sir for your quick study.  While not a prolific poster, I will continue to check in on this site and ask questions. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 20, 2009, 12:30:40 PM
An interesting read for newcomers:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/CHISTORY/ZCRSADES.HTM

;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 20, 2009, 02:03:01 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 20, 2009, 08:16:50 AM
LOL!

Assassin's Creed for Xbox 360- $50.00

Assassin's Creed Altair outfit for festival- $600.00

Finding out at the faire that you're not the "Assassin Bada$$" you hoped to be by encountering Warrior Monks of the Temple- Priceless!!

;D

(http://i40.tinypic.com/4tlxdj.jpg)  (http://i40.tinypic.com/1693oyr.jpg)


Quote from: Femme Falchion on July 20, 2009, 08:25:34 AM
Did you verbally engage the assassin Brother William?  That would make for some interesting role playing!  

Other than "prepare to die"... um...No!  

There was a big...

(http://i28.tinypic.com/32zl4ja.jpg)

Then you heard ...

(http://i32.tinypic.com/34eah47.jpg) (http://i32.tinypic.com/34eah47.jpg)

And then it was followed by a dead silence that crept over the faire
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 20, 2009, 02:32:38 PM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/4tlxdj.jpg)  (http://i40.tinypic.com/1693oyr.jpg)


The event played out so quickly at the festival that a wandering pilgrim was just able to capture the exchange:

(http://i25.tinypic.com/2wn02eg.jpg)

(http://i28.tinypic.com/xnzyoo.jpg)

(http://i27.tinypic.com/20sygja.jpg)

(http://i29.tinypic.com/bi8efc.jpg)

When their cultural exchange was complete, everyone walked away much wiser and happier....note the smile on Brother William's face.....

(http://i28.tinypic.com/29m3doy.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 21, 2009, 09:51:35 AM
nicely done hmm now to torture some un repentant souls
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 22, 2009, 02:00:46 PM
Now a little something to motivate our Sisters of this thread:

http://www.monsalvat.globalfolio.net/frmanifest/manifest.htm?/frmanifest/statiibookmanifest/war/Women_of_Peace_and_War.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 24, 2009, 09:13:01 PM
(http://i31.tinypic.com/amulqt.jpg)

You can score used copy on Amazon for a penny + $3.99 to ship!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 25, 2009, 07:11:29 AM
I recommend this book. It is well written using the history of the Crusades as his guide line.


BTW: You got me! That little fly thing I thought was real. We're currently on vacation on the coast,and there's plenty of fying things around..... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 25, 2009, 09:39:16 AM
Your not alone. When I first saw the wee bug it got me too! Enjoy your time on the coast brother. We depart tomorrow for Cedar Point & Put-in-Bay.

(http://i30.tinypic.com/6t08xh.jpg)

I think I'll start up again. You now its all about marketing  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 27, 2009, 10:50:41 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on July 22, 2009, 02:00:46 PM
Now a little something to motivate our Sisters of this thread:

http://www.monsalvat.globalfolio.net/frmanifest/manifest.htm?/frmanifest/statiibookmanifest/war/Women_of_Peace_and_War.htm



interesting read
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on July 29, 2009, 09:49:26 AM
Greetings Brothers and Sisters!  Sorry to have been absent for so long, my humblest apologies.  Sometimes that evil specter of Real Life creeps up and distracts you from things.  That with no Faire in sight for me for near another two months adds up to a bit of a absent minded monk.  But more so than all that the fact the Lady and I found out that a future Brother (or sister) is on the way has kept me doubly distracted.  I will try to be more mindful of my duties in the coming days.    ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 29, 2009, 03:30:15 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on July 29, 2009, 09:49:26 AM
But more so than all that the fact the Lady and I found out that a future Brother (or sister) is on the way has kept me doubly distracted.   ;D

Not sure I'm reading this right, but Huzzah all the same Brother! Congrats! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 29, 2009, 09:06:19 PM
I think he means what you think he means CONGRATULATIONS
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on July 30, 2009, 12:00:47 PM
Yes, come February I'll have another Sith apprentice to train.

Thanks for the congrats everyone. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 30, 2009, 03:17:13 PM
Congrats Sir Marcus (http://i30.tinypic.com/33d9zip.jpg)

It is good to hear you are well my friend.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on July 30, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
Yes indeed, congratulations!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on July 31, 2009, 06:03:39 PM
Thank you all.

It's good to be back.  It seemed like it'd only been a week or so that I'd been absent, but it was much longer than that I see.  Cant get so absent minded in the future! Lol.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 02, 2009, 07:19:49 PM
Once again, its good to hear your doing well. Unforeseen obstacles and just being busy in the mundane world can easily send one astray for a time.  It happens and its all good.  Besides, we're always around brother.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 02, 2009, 07:21:55 PM
Tuesday, August 4, 2009
____________________________________________________


(http://i39.tinypic.com/24y4u3d.jpg)

10-11pm -- Lost Worlds - Knights Templar.
They defended the Holy Land through bloodshed and prayer. Founded in the 12th century, these Christian warrior monks reigned supreme for nearly 200 years before suffering a spectacular fall from grace. Tried for heresy, they were disbanded and their Grand Master burned at the stake. We'll search behind the legend for their lost world. We recreate the city they knew as Tortosa--now hidden among modern homes in the Syrian city of Tartus. We reveal secrets of their headquarters at Temple Mount in Jerusalem, with magnificent underground vaults that could stable 1,000 horses. And we visit the circular church in London built to resemble the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and the site of the Templar's mysterious initiation rites. We bring to life the hilltop fortress that Lawrence of Arabia called "the finest castle in the world", and return to the Mediterranean island where the Knights Templar made their last stand against Moslem enemies.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 03, 2009, 08:00:57 AM
Just when you thought you had everything for the fortress...

Crusader Great Helm Trash Bin

(http://i29.tinypic.com/o6z802.jpg) (http://www.designtoscano.com/product/code/cl3613.do)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 03, 2009, 08:08:15 AM
Oh yeah, don't forget about a NEW...

Royal Throne

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If they only had it in red
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 03, 2009, 09:32:09 PM
actually i like the blue but you can keep the tp
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 06, 2009, 11:32:28 PM
Represent
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 07, 2009, 09:09:18 AM
Perhaps, another cover available?

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 07, 2009, 02:41:28 PM
That was Mr Napier's original concept for the book cover, but the publisher had different ideas. They wanted to use the very same suit of armor on the very same orange background that showed up on Helen Nicholson's new book on some sales sites. :-\ >:(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 07, 2009, 03:42:40 PM
.....and orange really isn't Warrior Monk's color.   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 07, 2009, 05:53:06 PM
Let it be known throughout the thread, that Mother Confessor has returned!!!

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And then there was much rejoicing...... :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 07, 2009, 07:25:21 PM
How refreshing to be associated with angels.   :D

My sincere congratulations Brother Marcus.  Since the discussions on this thread typically surround the sorrows of life, please allow me to share a blessing for this joyous occasion;

Sun, Moon, Stars, all you that move in the heavens, hear us!
Into your midst has come a new life.
Make his/her path smooth, that he/she may reach the brow of the first hill!

Winds, Clouds, Rain, Mist, all you that move in the air, hear us!
Into your midst has come a new life.
Make his/her path smooth, that he/she may reach the brow of the second hill!

Hills, Valleys, Rivers, Lakes, Trees, Grasses, all you of the earth, hear us!
Into your midst has come a new life.
Make his/her path smooth, that he/she may reach the brow of the third hill!

Birds, great and small, that fly in the air,
Animals, great and small, that dwell in the forest,
Insects that creep among the grasses and burrow in the ground, hear us!
Into your midst has come a new life.
Make his/her path smooth, that he/she may reach the brow of the fourth hill!

All you of the heavens, all you of the air, all you of the earth, hear us!
Into your midst has come a new life.
Make his/her path smooth, then shall he/she travel beyond the four hills!

(Native American Children's Blessing)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 09, 2009, 05:45:09 PM
New book alert:

I purchased this one at B&N today-

The Siege of Jerusalem, Crusade and Conquest in 1099; Conor Kostick



And a small find: ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxdgcEptQRk
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on August 11, 2009, 08:38:18 PM
Congratulations Brother Marcus. It is my wish and prayer you, the Mother and child be blessed with good health, long life and a light heart!

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 12, 2009, 07:18:43 PM
I believe I saw some Sisters in that reenactment.....in line with the "Roles of European Women" reading that Warrior Monk posted a few weeks back....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on August 13, 2009, 08:14:43 AM
Quote from: Richard de Graeme on August 11, 2009, 08:38:18 PM
Congratulations Brother Marcus. It is my wish and prayer you, the Mother and child be blessed with good health, long life and a light heart!

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.

Thank you for your blessings, Brother Richard.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 15, 2009, 11:37:07 AM
Today on....

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History Traveler
Castles & Dungeons. 


Saturday, August 15 @ 3pm ET/PT

Some of the most imposing structures ever built, medieval castles withstood both bloody assaults and the test of time. Designed like machines with nearly every architectural detail devoted to defense, castles represented the perfect fusion of form and function. Journey back to that unruly era as we examine the complexity of their construction and the multipurpose they served--homes to kings and nobles, economic centers, courthouses, treasuries, prisons, and torture chambers


Then immediately following. One of my favorites "Investigating History
The Holy Grail"
Which focuses a lot on the Templars and one of my favorite Templar strongholds the mysterious "Castle of Bezu"  Le Bézu

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 17, 2009, 02:13:12 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2009, 09:07:00 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on August 18, 2009, 10:52:28 AM
Many injustices have been perpetrated by many groups for many causes, my Brother.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 18, 2009, 08:50:06 PM
How about this fanciful painting, titled: Jacques DeMolay's capture of Jerusalem in 1299

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You can see him on the wall, next to the "Beausant".
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on August 18, 2009, 10:15:39 PM
What do you mean about the image of pirates? ,,, an so fourth.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 19, 2009, 10:26:42 AM
See PM.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 19, 2009, 02:14:37 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/muv9fs.jpg) DeMolay captured Jerusalem?? I wished Jacque would of captured it!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 19, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
"The capture of Jerusalem by Jacques de Molay in 1299", by Claude Jacquand, Versailles, Musée National Chateau et Trianons. This depiction was commissioned in the 1800s, but is about an event in 1299 that did not actually occur. There was no battle, and De Molay was nowhere near Jerusalem at the time. In reality, after the Christians lost control of Jerusalem in 1244 (thanks to some fanciful negotiations and royal antics), it was not under Christian control again until 1917, when the British took it from the Ottomans.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 19, 2009, 02:52:03 PM
In France in the 19th century, false stories circulated that De Molay had captured Jerusalem in 1300, and a painting was even commissioned for the Versailles, entitled "Jacques de Molay Takes Jerusalem, 1299." The exact origin of these rumors is not certain, although they may be related to the fact that a medieval historian, the Templar of Tyre, wrote about a Mongol general named "Mulay" who occupied Syria and Palestine for a few months in early 1300.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 19, 2009, 03:27:33 PM
It's so easy to get a Master of the Knights Templar confused with a horse bound raider from the Far East.  :P ;) ;D


Additional info for those interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulay
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 19, 2009, 03:35:22 PM
ROFL ..Indeed!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on August 19, 2009, 05:03:04 PM
So, i know its far off, but, after i go to tybee island pirate fair, i will be done with pirates and will be ready to be a knight of the temple at florence... Ive been dying to dawn my armor, its been 9 months. My dad just purchased a 55inch tv high as hd gets and the most intense bluray player along with KOH directors cut, and waching it is almost 3d, it makes me miss the good old days of my true order.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 22, 2009, 05:14:15 PM
Received my Crusades; Knights of Christ DVD today. I give them a C+ for effort. I still dislike the way every just ignores everything after the Third Crusade. Most historical DVDs just treat it like a casual continuance of the epic struggle.

Saw a lot of flat kite shields, makes me happy  ;)
Saw some introduction of the excessively Great Helm. They even stated that they were worn by knights of the First Crusade....lol!

All in all my Princess liked it, except for the Saladin parts. Don't know where she gets that from..... :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 23, 2009, 02:12:46 PM
How interesting to see you again TJ!  It sounds as if you need to be confessed of your buccaneer sins before approaching the Knight's mantle again.  I'm happy to be of service.  ;D ;)

Warrior Monk...that DVD was rated "G" right? 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 23, 2009, 02:27:18 PM
It had no rating, but wasn't as bad as anything currently programmed on TV.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 23, 2009, 07:47:31 PM
Just want to be sure the little Princess doesn't go hacking and slashing back into kindergarten tomorrow....  ;) ;D :)  All in good time.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 23, 2009, 08:19:12 PM
No, she did quite well at doing this very thing as we went outside after dinner, to await the start of the show Merlin. She declared herself the Black Knight, and commenced to dealing horrific blows to her fatherusing the sword and shield purchased on her behalf at GARF. She was all about every strike to my sword, was to be accompanied by my sword flying from my grasp, and then pummeling me to the Earth (front yard drama without rival). Tonight I wore gorget with spaulders, 3/4 leg armor, and carried my "Beausant" heater, and hand and a half practice waster. They all received their validation and extreme workout. The Lady LeFay can attest to her Princess' ferocity in battle this eve.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 24, 2009, 08:34:19 AM
Hail Princess Brynn for exhibiting such exceptional fighting skills. To hear of the repeated disarming of her worthy opponent is most impressive. One can only wish he could of witnessed these epic battles with his own eyes!


Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 22, 2009, 05:14:15 PM
Received my Crusades; Knights of Christ DVD today. I give them a C+ for effort. I still dislike the way every just ignores everything after the Third Crusade. Most historical DVDs just treat it like a casual continuance of the epic struggle.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more.  C+ is definitely a good rating for this particular dvd.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 24, 2009, 08:58:09 AM
The Lady LeFay has not been herself as of late. It appears that she will end up in the care of the healers within 2 weeks or so. The camera was put away, and she is not as fleet of foot currently to capture the battle, but I might try to get her to put her description of the contest in words. ;D

I know the neighborhood's urchins were out and about, some with their mothers, watching the epic struggle of life, limb and bragging rights with some interest. No doubt they had thrown in their lot in with this new and more compact "Black Knight". >:(

Much like playing her by her "chess rules", no matter how I tried to save myself, she found a lethal counter, and continued to cleave off large chunks of my supposed heroic defense, just to leave me a lump of semi armored human flesh on the front lawn. :o

It seemed scripted and written in fate, at least according to this Black Knight, that I was to lose at every turn. ;)




This is what the Lady LeFay witnessed and had time to put down in words:

Fight in my Front Yard
           


Yesterday at around 6:00 pm, I was outside trying to comb my five year old daughter's hair, again.  She was standing in front of me with a sword and a shield, apparently she had called her father out, although I am not sure what the occasion was for the calling out.  After a few minutes, her father, a man who is 6'6" tall emerged from out home dressed in armor that covered his knees and thighs and I believe armor on his shoulders and neck, along with a shield and a real sword.  I found all the up armoring a little odd until I saw the five year old lay into her father with all her might, not seeming to care where she hit.........I heard her tell her dad, I cut you down so get in the grass........I do not believe I can accurately describe the carnage in the front yard yesterday.  Here I am sitting on the front porch waiting for the ice cream truck (as were half the neighbors)  my daughter is waving a sword in the air yelling at her dad, her dad, all 6'6" of him is laying in the grass  with a shield covering some "vital" body parts and his sword somewhere in the front lawn.  If he tried to get up, she immediately attacked him again.  I suppose the next time he will come out in all his body armor!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 24, 2009, 10:41:07 AM
Another FYI:

http://www.ordo-militiae-templi.org/index.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 24, 2009, 01:43:14 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 24, 2009, 08:58:09 AM
Much like playing her by her "chess rules", no matter how I tried to save myself, she found a lethal counter, and continued to cleave off large chunks of my supposed heroic defense, just to leave me a lump of semi armored human flesh on the front lawn. :o

It seemed scripted and written in fate, at least according to this Black Knight, that I was to lose at every turn. ;)

The Force is strong with this one.

Thank you for Lady Lefay. It is now that I can truly visualize the clash between these two warriors in this historical confrontation.

It also saddens us to hear you are not feeling well. I send our most sincerest wishes and prayers for your speedy recovery M'Lady


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 25, 2009, 01:42:51 PM
Hail, brothers and sisters!

It's been too long since I've visited! I won't bore everyone with the chores of career change I've been going through, but I hope to start participating here some more! Hope all are doing well!!!  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 25, 2009, 02:43:09 PM
NO WAY!

"Give me a pound, lock it down" it has been so long my brother. It is great to see you have returned and now there is need for much celebration!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2009, 02:51:39 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on August 25, 2009, 04:46:48 PM
Thank you, thank you!!!  I have some fun news to share, too! I just got signed to do a 120 page graphic novel based on the true history of Wiliiam Wallace. This won't be the movie version...no mullets and kilts here! We officially start work on it in October, and it will go to print next year. If things go well with that, i.e. my working relationship with the publisher, there's a possibility they'll be interested in publishing a book on the Crusades. So, fun stuff has been happening off screen!

Oh, and most importantly of all...my shoulder FINALLY healed enough to wear the chainmail without any discomfort! HUZZAH!!!!!  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 27, 2009, 08:03:51 AM
Fantastic frere Mikael.  We look forward to new images along with images of your artistic talents
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2009, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 09, 2009, 05:45:09 PM
New book alert:

The Siege of Jerusalem, Crusade and Conquest in 1099; Conor Kostick



I recommend this read for folks who want to see what the average Pilgrim/Crusader had to endure on their trek from Europe to the Holy City during the First Crusade, especially chapter 4: aptly title "Thirst". It evens covers what the animals had to endure. :'(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2009, 12:17:43 PM
An interesting note about the siege of Jerusalem in 1099.

As with any war of Faiths, those not of your pew tend to garner suspicion. During this event, it was the Christians that wore the heaviest mantle of suspicion.  Even the Jews helped the Muslims in the defense of the city, in no small part due to the stories that had reached the city about how their
fellows had been treated in mainland Europe upon the departure of the Crusading host. Thousands were killed are blamed for the world's woes (much like in Mel Gibson fashion).

The Christians in the Holy city were fearful of being set upon by fellow occupants, or labeled as spies. They stayed away from city walls, so as not to be accused of giving away secrets to the besieging army.

The problem with this was the ruling Islamic leader had expelled some of the Syrian Christians, who
could and did get in or out of the city and distribute vital information. They also conducted spy operations for the Christian host outside the walls of Jerusalem. They also helped show the starving and very thirsty Crusaders to wells and food resources.

It was during this time that it was said that Gerard (Founding Father of the Hospitallers) was inside Jerusalem during the siege. He did his best to assist his fellow Christians outside the walls by appearing to throw rocks at the Crusading army, but these items were in fact loaves of bread. On being accused of treachery (he was a Christian and had gone to the walls) and taken to the Islamic governing head of the city. The loaves of bread that had been concealed within his garments, had miraculously turned to stone, and he escaped punishment.

Deus vult!
   
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2009, 01:33:21 PM
Many already have a copy of the Rule of the Templars, and we have posted the basic statutes of the Rule of the Teutonic Order, but until now, we've (or I) been remiss in the posting of the statutes of the Order of the Hospital (the oldest of all the Military Orders).

So now, I attempt to make ammends for this failure.

THE RULE OF THE ORDER OF ST. JOHN
   
by BLESSED RAYMOND DU PUY 1120-60
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2009, 01:35:24 PM
This is the CONSTITUTION ORDAINED BY BROTHER RAYMOND-
In the name of God, I Raymond Servant of Christ's poor and Warden of the Hospital of Jerusalem, with the counsel of all the Chapter, both clerical and lay brethren, have established these commandments in the House of the Hospital of Jerusalem.

1.   HOW THE BRETHREN SHOULD MAKE THEIR PROFESSION: Firstly, I ordain that all the brethren, engaging in the service of the poor, should keep the three things with the aid of God which they have promised to God, that is to say, chastity and obedience, which means whatever thing is commanded them by their masters, and to live without property of their own: because God will require these three things of them at the Last Judgement.

2.   WHAT THE BRETHREN SHOULD CLAIM AS THEIR DUE: And let them not claim more as their due than bread and water and raiment, which things are promised to them. And their clothing should be humble, because Our Lord's poor, whose servants we confess ourselves to be, go naked. And it is a thing wrong and improper for the servant that he should be proud, and his Lord should be humble.

3.   CONCERNING THE CONDUCT OF THE BRETHREN AND THE SERVICE OF THE CHURCHES AND THE RECEPTION OF THE SICK: Moreover this is decreed that their conduct should be decorous in church, and that their conversation should be appropriate, that is to say, that the clerics, deacons and sub-deacons, should serve the priest at the alter in white raiment, and if the thing shall be necessary another cleric should render the service, and there should be a light every day in the church, both by day and by night, and the priest should go in white raiment to visit the sick, bearing reverently the Body of Our Lord, and the deacon and the sub-deacon, or at least an acolyte should go before, bearing a lantern with a candle burning, and the sponge with the holy water.

4.   HOW THE BRETHREN SHOULD GO ABROAD AND BEHAVE: Moreover, when the brethren shall go to the cities and castles, let them not go alone but two or three together, and they shall not go there with those whom they would, but with those whom their Master shall order, and when they shall become there where they would go, let them remain together as united in their conduct as in their dress. And let nothing be done in their movements which might offend the eyes of anyone, but only that which reveals their holiness. Moreover, when they shall be in a church or in a house or in any other place where there are women, let them keep guard over their modesty, and let no women wash their heads or their feet, or make their beds. May Our Lord, who dwells among his saints, keep guard over them in this matter.

5.   BY WHOM AND HOW ALMS SHOULD BE SOUGHT: Also let religious persons, both clerical and lay brethren, go forth to seek alms for the holy poor; also when they shall seek for a lodging (hostel), let them go to the church or to some suitable person and let them ask of him their food for charity sake, and let them buy nothing else. But if they should not find anyone who will give them the necessaries, let them buy by measure one meal only, on which they shall live.

6.   CONCERNING THE ALMS OBTAINED AND CONCERNING THE PRODUCE OF THE HOUSES: Also let them take neither land nor security from the alms collected, but let them deliver them up to the Master with an account in writing, and let the Master deliver them up with his own account in writing to the poor in the hospital; and let the Master receive from all the Obediences the third part of the bread and wine and of all food, and that which shall be surplus should be added to the alms, and let him hand it over in Jerusalem to the poor with his own account in writing.

7.   WHO AND IN WHAT MANNER THEY SHOULD GO ABROAD TO PREACH: And let not any of the brethren, of whatever Obedience they may be, go to preach or to make collections, except only those whom the Chapter and the Master of the Church shall send. And let those same brethren, who shall go to make collections, be received in whatever Obedience they shall come, and let them receive such food as the brethren have ordained among themselves, and let them demand no other thing. Also let them carry with them a light, and in whatever house they shall be lodged (herbergié), let them cause the light to burn before them.

8.   CONCERNING THE CLOTHING AND FOOD OF THE BRETHREN: Furthermore also we forbid the brethren to wear at any time brightly coloured cloth (dras ysambruns ne galembruns) or furs of animals (pennes sauvages) or fustian. Also let them not eat more than twice in the day, and let them eat no meat on Wednesdays or Saturdays, or from Septuagesima until Easter, except those who are sick or feeble; and let them never lie down naked, but clothed in shirts or linen or wool, or in other similar garments.

9.   CONCERNING BRETHREN GUILTY OF FORNICATION: But if any of the brethren, and may such a thing never happen, through sinful passion shall fall into fornication, if he shall sin in secret, let him do his penance in secret, and let him impose upon himself suitable penance; and if it shall be well known and proved absolutely for certain, then in that town in which he shall have committed the sin, on the Sunday after Mass, when the people shall have left the church, let him be severely beaten and flogged with hard rods (verges) or leather thongs (corroies) in the sight of all by his Master or by other brethren commanded by the Master, and let him be expelled out of all our company: and after wards if Our Lord shall enlighten the heart of that man, and he shall return to the House of the Poor, and shall confess himself to be guilty and a sinner and the transgressor against the law of God, and shall promise amendment, he should be received and for a whole year should be treated as a stranger, and the brethren should observe during this period of time whether he be satisfactory, and afterwards let them do as shall seem good to them.

10.   CONCERNING BRETHREN QUARRELLING AND STRIKING ONE ANOTHER: Also if any brother dispute with another brother, and the Procurator of the House shall have heard the complaint, the penance should be as follows: he shall fast for seven days, the Wednesday and the Friday on bread and water, and he shall eat seated on the ground without table and without napkin (toaille). And if the brother shall strike another brother he shall fast for forty days. And if he shall depart from the House, or the Master under whose authority he shall be, wilfully and without the leave of his Master, and afterwards he shall return, he shall eat for forty days seated on the ground, and shall fast on Wednesdays and Fridays on bread and water; and for as long a time as he has been absent, let him be treated as a stranger, unless by chance the time should have been so long that the Chapter should think proper to modify it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2009, 01:36:54 PM
11.   CONCERNING THE SILENCE OF THE BRETHREN: Also at table, as the Apostle says, let each one eat his bread in silence, and let him not drink after Compline. Also let the brethren keep silence in their beds.

12.   CONCERNING BRETHREN MISBEHAVING: And if any brother shall not conduct himself well, and shall be admonished and corrected by his Master or by other brethren twice or three times, and if, at the instigation of the Devil, he will not amend his ways not obey, he should be sent to us on foot with a written report of his sin; and always a small allowance (procuration) should be given to him sufficient to enable him to come to us, and we will correct him; and also no brother should strike the sergeants subject to him for any fault or sin they may commit, but let the Master of the House and the brethren exact vengeance in the presence of all; but always let the sentence (justice) of the House be maintained completely.

13.   CONCERNING BRETHREN FOUND WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY: And if any of the brethren have made a disposition of private property at his death, he shall have concealed it from his Master, and afterwards it shall be found upon him, let that money be tied round his neck, and let him be led naked through the Hospital of Jerusalem, or through the other houses where he dwells, and let him be beaten severely by another brother and do penance for forty days, and he shall fast on Wednesdays and Fridays on bread and water.

14.   WHAT OFFICE SHOULD BE CELEBRATED FOR THE DECEASED BRETHREN: Moreover we command that this statue should be made, which is most necessary for us all, and we ordain it in commanding that for all the brethren who die in your Obedience thirty Masses should be chanted for the soul of each; and at the first Mass each of the brethren, who shall be present, shall offer one candle with one Denier. Which Deniers, as many as there shall be, should be given to the poor for God's sake; and the priest who shall chant the Masses, if he be not of the House, should have provision in the Obedience on those days; and on completion of the office, the Master should render charity to the said priest, and let all the garments of the deceased brother be given to the poor; also let the brother priests, who shall sing the Masses, pray for his soul to Our Lord Jesus Christ, and let each of the clerics chant the Psalter, and each of the lay brothers 150 paternosters. And also concerning all other sins and matters and complaints let them judge and decide in Chapter with righteous judgement.

15.   HOW THE THINGS HERE DETAILED ARE TO BE FIRMLY MAINTAINED: All these things, just as we have detailed them above, we command and ordain in the Name of Almighty God, and of the Blessed Mary, and of the Blessed St. John, and of the poor, that these same things should be kept with the utmost strictness.

16.   HOW OUR LORDS THE SICK SHOULD BE RECEIVED AND SERVED: And in that Obedience in which the Master and the Chapter of the Hospital shall permit, when the sick man shall come there, let him be received thus, let him partake of the Holy Sacrament, first having confessed his sins to the priest, and afterwards let him be carried to bed, and there as if he were a Lord, each day before the brethren to eat, let him be refreshed with food charitably according to the ability of the House; also on every Sunday let the Epistle and the Gospel be chanted in that House, and let the House be sprinkled with holy water at the procession. Also if any of the brethren, who hold Obedience in different lands, coming to any secular person offering allegiance and giving him the money of the poor, in order that those persons should cause the said brethren to prevail by force against the Master, let such brethren be cast out of all the company

17.   IN WHAT MANNER BRETHREN MAY CORRECT BRETHREN: Also if two or more brethren shall be together, and one of them shall conduct himself outrageously be evil living, the other of the brethren should not denounce him to the people nor to the Prior, but first let him chastise him by himself, and if he would no be chastised, let him join with himself two or three brethren to chastise him. And if he should amend his ways, they should rejoice at it; but if he be not willing to amend his ways, then let him write down the guilt of the brother, and let him send it to the Master privately, and according at the Master and the Chapter shall order let it be done concerning him.

18.   HOW ONE BROTHER SHOULD ACCUSE ANOTHER BROTHER: Let no brother accuse another brother unless he be well able to prove it; and if he shall accuse him and be unable to prove it, he is no true brother.

19.   THAT THE BRETHREN BEAR ON THEIR BREASTS THE SIGN OF THE CROSS: Also let all the brethren of all the Obediences, who now and henceforward shall offer themselves to God and to the Holy Hospital of Jerusalem bear on their breasts the cross, on their cassocks (chapes) and on their mantles, to the honour of God and the Holy Cross that God by that banner (gonfanon), and through faith and works and obedience, may guard and defend us in soul and in body, with all our Christian benefactors from the power of the Devil in this world and the next. Amen.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2009, 01:37:49 PM
THE PRIVILEGE OF THE SICK TO HAVE WHITE BREAD. -

In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

•   Let all men know of those who are, and those in the future shall be sons of Holy Mother Church, that I Jobert, Master of the Hospital of Jerusalem, with the good will and unanimous consent of all our brethren assembled in our Common Chapter, before the presence and witness of the passion and resurrection of Our Lord, have given and granted in permanent possession to our blessed lords, that is to say to the poor of the Xenodocheum of the Hospital of Jerusalem, and to Brother Steven the Hospitaller at the present time, and to their successors who shall come after them perpetually for all time, two casales, that is to say the casales of St. Mary and Caphaer, with all their possessions and appurtenances within and without, for the provision of white bread which should be given to them forever; and if by chance it should happen that the corn should fail in the casales or be insufficient to provide for the needs of the poor, enough should be taken from the Treasury to purchase white bread and to provide sufficient for the poor; and if should happen that the wheat from the casales should be mixed with evil herbs, good wheat should be taken measure for measure from the granary of the Hospital, and so sufficient should be provided for our lords the poor. And in order that this gift may be established and unaltered forever, we have caused this charter to be sealed with our seal; and if anyone from henceforward would go to contrary to this Holy Commandment, or would distort it, may he be damned with Judas the traitor in everlasting damnation, with Cain and Dathan and Abiron, whom the earth swallowed up, may he be cursed with the curse. Amen.

•   Each loaf should be the weight of two marks, and should be given to two poor persons.

•   This decree was made in the year of the Incarnation of Our Lord 1176.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2009, 01:38:41 PM
THE CUSTOMS OF THE CHURCH OF THE HOSPITAL OF JERUSALEM

In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

These are the customs which should be observed in the House of the Hospital of Jerusalem.

1.   The first morning Mass should not be begun before it is day, nor should the Commander of any house order the priest to chant mass. And no priest should chant mass twice in a day, unless by chance the body of the dead person be there, and then in this manner, first should be chanted the mass for the day, if it be a Sunday or a day of Festival, and afterwards should be chanted that for the dead, if a body be present there. And everywhere where a deceased (brother) of the hospital shall be buried, the day of his death should be written in the calendar. And for thirty days masses should be chanted for his soul. And when the Trental shall be completed, the day the anniversary should always be celebrated for his soul, and when the church where the Trental shall be celebrated has three priests, one should celebrate the Trental, and the other two chant the masses for the day. And if two priests only be there where the Trental should be celebrated, the service should be shared between them, and the gratuity. And when there shall be there no more than one priest, they shall obtain another a stranger to celebrate the service of the Trental.

2.   And when it shall be celebrated, one besant and a new shirt and breeches, according to the custom of the House, should be given to him. And if it be impossible to find a stranger priest. and the priest of the house be without the company of another priest, the Trental should be celebrated in this manner, that is to say that every day he should chant for the dead except on Sundays and days of solemn festival; and then afterwards he should make the commemoration and remembrance for the brother that is departed. But when the thirty days shall be passed, and after the number of days on which commemoration should be made only for the soul of the brother shall be fulfilled by the Trental, and there should be given to the priest the charity aforesaid. And if by chance these things should happen in Lent in the houses where there shall be no more than one priest, let it be postponed until after Easter, and then let celebration be made for the soul of the brother without delay.

3.   And let the brethren always take care to have a light in the church, and let the chalice for administration be of silver, and the censor of silver.

4.   And it is commanded that the bodies of pilgrims or of other Christians, who shall die after the Hour of Vespers, should be left until the next day; and in the Hospital, where they shall have died, let them not lie upon their biers without a light. And the next day before Prime they should be carried to the church, and after Mass should be buried; the biers of the dead should be like those that are in Jerusalem.

5.   The bodies of the brethren should be watched in the church, and the clerics should be around them chanting their psalms, and the tapers should be lighted. Of the charity that is given to the priests for the Trental the house should retain nothing; but for the Trentals of strangers the brethren should retain the half.

6.   For the public and private masses the priests should have nothing for themselves, except so much as the brethren should wish to give them of their own free will.

7.   Of the payments from confessions the sixth part should be given to the priests and the clerics, not by contract but of grace; but in casales where there shall be no burgesses, and no one except one priest, the arrangements aforesaid shall be at the discretion of the Commander of the house, and the gratuity of the clerics he shall give as shall seem good to him.

8.   Of the wills and legacies, which shall be made to vicars up to one besant, the half should be given to them; but the legacies and wills, which shall be left to the Hospital , when they shall be paid over, the brethren should receive them without deduction.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
STATUTES OF FR. ROGER DE MOULINS 1177-87

THAT THE CHURCHES SHOULD BE REGULATED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PRIOR.


In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. In the year of the incarnation of Our Lord 1181 in the month of March, on the Sunday on which they chant 'Laetare Jerusalem' (i.e. March 22nd), I Roger, servant of Christ's poor, in the presence of the clerical and lay brethren seated around the Chapter-General, to the honour of God and the glory of our Religion, and the support and benefit of the sick poor.

1.   It is commanded that the statutes of the church aforesaid and the benefits for the poor afterwards written should be kept and observed forever, without going contrary to them in any respect. Concerning the churches it is commanded that they should be arranged and regulated at the disposition of the Prior of the clerics of the Hospital with regard to books clerics vestments priests chalices censers perpetual light and other ornaments.

2.   And secondly, it is decreed with the assent of the brethren that for the sick in the Hospital of Jerusalem there should be engaged four wise doctors, who are qualified to examine urine, and to diagnose different diseases, and are able to administer appropriate medicines.

3.   And thirdly, it is added that the beds of the sick should be made as long and as broad as is most convenient for repose, and that each bed should be covered with its own coverlet, and each bed should have its own special sheets.

4.   After these needs is decreed the fourth command, that each of the sick should have a cloak of sheepskin and boots for going to and coming from the latrines, and caps of wool.

5.   It is also decreed that little cradles should be made for the babies of the women pilgrims born in the House, so that they may lie separate, and that the baby in its own bed may be in no danger from restlessness of its mother.

6.   Afterwards it is decreed the sixth clause, that the biers of the dead should be concealed in the same manner as are the biers of the brethren, and should be covered with a red coverlet having a white cross.

7.   The seventh clause commands that wheresoever there are hospitals for the sick, that the Commanders of the houses should serve the sick cheerfully, and should do their duty by them, and serve them without grumbling or complaining, so that by these good deeds they may deserve to have their reward in the glories of heaven. And if any of the brethren should act contrary to the commands of the Master in these matters, that it should be brought to the notice of the Master, who shall punish them according to the sentence of the house commands.

8.   It was also decreed, when the council (i.e. Chapter-General) of the brethren was held, that the Prior of the Hospital of France should send each year to Jerusalem one hundred sheets of dyed cotton to replace the coverlets of the poor sick, and should reckon them in his Responsion together with those things which shall be given in his Priory to the House in charity.

9.   In selfsame manner and reckoning the Prior of the Hospital of St. Gilles should purchase each year the like number of sheets of cotton and send them to Jerusalem, together with those things which shall be given in his Priory for the love of God to the poor of the Hospital.

10.   The prior of Italy each year should send to Jerusalem for our lords the sick two hundred ells of fustian (= cotton sheets) of divers colours, which he may reckon each year in his Responsion.

11.   And the Prior of Pisa should send likewise the like numbers of fustians.

12.   And the Prior of Venice likewise, and all should be reckoned in their Responsions.

13.   And likewise the Bailiffs this side of the sea should be particular in this same service.

14.   Of whom the Bailiff of Antioch should send to Jerusalem two hundred ells of cotton cloth for the coverlets of the sick.

15.   The prior of Mont Pelerin (i.e. Tripolis) should send to Jerusalem two quintals of sugar for the syrups, and the medicines and the electuaries of the sick.

16.   For this same service the Bailiff of Tabarie (i.e. Tiberias) should send there the same quantity.

17.   The Prior of Constantinople should send for the sick two hundred felts.

18.   Moreover guarding and watching them day and night, the brethren of the Hospital should serve the sick poor with zeal and devotion as if they were their lords, and it was added in Chapter-General that in every ward (rue) and place in the Hospital, nine sergeants should be kept at their service, who should wash their feet gently, and change their sheets, and make their beds, and administer to the weak necessary and strengthening food, and do their duty devotedly, and obey, in all things for the benefit of the sick.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2009, 01:40:53 PM
THE CONFIRMATION BY THE MASTER ROGER OF THE THINGS THAT THE HOUSE SHOULD DO

Let all the brethren of the House of the Hospital, both those present and those to come, know that the good customs of the House of the Hospital of Jerusalem are as follows:

1.   Firstly the Holy House of the Hospital is accustomed to receive sick men and women, and is accustomed to keep doctors who have the care of the sick, and who make the syrups for the sick, and who provide the things that are necessary for the sick. For three days in the week the sick are accustomed to have fresh meat, either pork or mutton, and those who are unable to eat it have chicken.

2.   And two sick persons are accustomed to have one coat of sheepskin (pelice de brebis/berbis?), which they use when going to the latrines (chambres), and between two sick persons one pair of boots. Every year the House of the Hospital is accustomed to give to the poor one thousand cloaks of thick lamb skins.

3.   And all the children abandoned by their fathers and mothers the Hospital is accustomed to receive and to nourish. To a man and woman who desire to enter into matrimony, and who possess nothing with which to celebrate their marriage, the House of the Hospital is accustomed to give two bowls (escueles) or the rations of two brethren.

4.   And the House of the Hospital is accustomed to keep one brother shoemaker (corvoisier) and three sergeants, who repair the old shoes (soliers) given for the love of God. And the Almoner is accustomed to keep two sergeants who repair the old robes that he may give them to the poor.

5.   And the Almoner is accustomed to give twelve deniers to each prisoner, when he is first released from prison.

6.   Every night five clerics are accustomed to read the Psalter for the benefactors of the House.

7.   And every day thirty poor persons are accustomed to be fed at table once a day for the love of God, and the five clerics aforesaid may be among those thirty poor persons, but the twenty-five eat before the Convent, and each of the five clerics should have two deniers and eat with the Convent.

8.   And on three days of the week they are accustomed to give in alms to all who come there to ask for it, bread and wine and cooked food.

9.   In Lent every Saturday, they are accustomed to celebrate Maundy for thirteen poor persons, and to wash their feet, and to give to each a shirt and new breeches and new shoes, and to three chaplains, or to three clerics out of the thirteen, three deniers and to each of the others, two deniers.

10.   These are the special charities decreed in the Hospital, apart from the Brethren-at-Arms whom the House should maintain honourably, and many other charities there are which cannot be set out in detail each one by itself. And that these things be true good men and loyal here bear witness, that is to say Brother Roger, Master of the Hospital, and Brother Bernard the Prior and all the Chapter-General.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 30, 2009, 09:36:44 AM
Excellent my brother


The sayings of the Knights
A few quotations of the Knights of St John of Jerusalem.

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I prefer to be hated for doing good,
rather than being loved for doing evil.


Domini nostri morbi
The sick are our masters


Pro Fide et Utilitate Hominum

For the faith and the good of Mankind

Quia vero omnia vestra sustentationibus pauperum et peregrinorum debent cedere ac per hoc nullatenus ea aliis usibus convenit applicari
Truly, for these reasons, whatever is yours, must yield to the welbeing of the poor and pilgrims and, therefore it must not be used for any other purpose

Servire infirmis supremum imperium
The service to the sick is the supreme command.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 30, 2009, 09:42:05 AM
Some images of fellow brothers representing in Italy

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 30, 2009, 03:06:01 PM
Absolutely splendid!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 30, 2009, 04:38:18 PM
A few more images of our Italian brothers in different attire, impressive and worthy of sharing.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 30, 2009, 10:05:31 PM
Monday, August 31, 2009
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7-8pm -- Modern Marvels - Castles & Dungeons.
Some of the most imposing structures ever built, medieval castles withstood both bloody assaults and the test of time. Designed like machines with nearly every architectural detail devoted to defense, castles represented the perfect fusion of form and function. Journey back to that unruly era as we examine the complexity of their construction and the multipurpose they served--homes to kings and nobles, economic centers, courthouses, treasuries, prisons, and torture chambers.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on August 31, 2009, 07:53:18 AM
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Order of St. John of Jerusalem (Hospitallers) - Females, Twelfth and Thirteenth Centuries

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Confession of a young Knight Hospitaller - Male, Twenty-First Century
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 31, 2009, 09:04:34 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 30, 2009, 04:38:18 PM

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They do an awesome Byzantine cataphract. :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on August 31, 2009, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 27, 2009, 01:33:21 PM
Many already have a copy of the Rule of the Templars, and we have posted the basic statutes of the Rule of the Teutonic Order, but until now, we've (or I) been remiss in the posting of the statutes of the Order of the Hospital (the oldest of all the Military Orders).

So now, I attempt to make ammends for this failure.

THE RULE OF THE ORDER OF ST. JOHN
   
by BLESSED RAYMOND DU PUY 1120-60


Excellent posting, Brother Cliff!!

In regards to the Italian pictures....is the black helmet with white trim correct?  That's the first I've seen of it!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 31, 2009, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on August 31, 2009, 09:29:04 AM
In regards to the Italian pictures....is the black helmet with white trim correct?  That's the first I've seen of it!

Indeed "Italo-Norman Helm" Perhaps frere Cliff might like to elaborate if time allows him as I must venture here immediately. I shall return

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A Southern Mediteranean Helmet in the "Phrygian" style with an embossed faceplate in Iron.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 31, 2009, 10:23:44 AM
Brother William is always without peer when providing visual aids for various Orders of Warriors Monks.

What I've seen is a variety of paint schemes in artistic representations, but much like the images of Beausant, it's probably up to you to figure out what would suit you best.
From a purely military standpoint, I couldn't see why they would want to paint their helms in the Outremer, due to the increase in heat the darker color would cause. Yes, I'm aware of the quick identification it would provide, and the fight against rust, but if they did paint their helms, I would think that they would have lasted a little longer. IMHO.

BTW: The "Italo-Norman Helm" is an awesome distinctive look, shown on Hospitallers. If I cvould find a cheap one, I might come to an event "Back in Black"! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on August 31, 2009, 12:00:18 PM
Well the one helmet in the pic looked very much like the Wenceslas helm that I have, thats why I was wondering.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 31, 2009, 01:49:15 PM
You're addressing the helm that has the maille attached to it correct?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on August 31, 2009, 01:53:18 PM
I believe so, yes.  The Brother holding the horse.  Though from the drawings Brother William provided, it looks like it's supposed to be a helm over a mail coif/hood.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 31, 2009, 02:05:57 PM
I've seen many European reenactment Brothers choose that mail covering the face approach. It would provide for the lacking facial defense (caused by the Norman type helm) that the great helm would provide later.

It also carries a unique intimidation factor. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 31, 2009, 02:50:58 PM
A new member of the Council has arrived...

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on August 31, 2009, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on August 31, 2009, 02:50:58 PM
A new member of the Council has arrived...

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Welcome Brother!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 31, 2009, 07:15:45 PM
Another one joins the Order!

Huzzah & Deus vult!

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'In Hoc Signo Vinces'
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 31, 2009, 07:46:27 PM
Equipping a Knight's Hospitaller
Knights Hospitaller, 1050-1450

This is a document that hopes to explain how to get by with the minimum amount of equipment that will see you from 1050 to 1450.


For medieval swords, please see Oakeschott's typology (http://www.algonet.se/~enda/oakeshott_eng.htm). For visuals, see http://livinghistory.ie/~valen/reenactment_pictures/osprey/

1050 (effectively same as Hastings, pre-hospitaller)

   * soft kit:
         o split hose
               + Should have integral foot but can be omitted depending on footwear.
               + These should extend to about 6"/20cm above the knee.  they are gartered in place just below the knee.  The tops are rolled down over the garters.
         o Pipe braies
               + Baggy, Knee length and ugly.
         o White/cream shirt (Optional)
               + Short and relatively close fitting around the neck.
               + Possibly decorative stitching on the edges
         o Long under Tunic
               + Just above/Below the knee.  Ankle length is acceptable for Nobles/Clerics.
         o Long tunic
               + Same length or slightly LONGER than the under tunic (Long Under tunics are earlier time period to show off tablet weave)
         o TODO: shoes
   * Aketon
         o Same length or slightly longer than Hauberk
   * Short-sleeved hauberk
   * Nasal spangenhelms
   * Viking style sword or lance
   * Teardrop shield


1160
(Norman invasion of Ireland, early Hospitallers)

   * "Soft" kit Same as 1050.
         o TODO: Cross usage and colours to be clarified with photos
         o Black monks robes (cappa) over hauberk
   * 'International' style sword, longer than viking, long quillions
   * One piece conical helmets and early flat-top helms
   * Flat-top kite shield
   * Optional mail aventail


1250

   * "Soft" kit changes;
         o Split hose are longer, extending full length of leg with "peaks" up at front or side which may be tied off to a belt.
         o Underclothes should be a plain white/off white colour.  This is not standard for the time in general but is standard for the Hospitallers.  Includes Undertunics, Hose etc.
         o Simple white linen coif for head covering is essential
         o TODO: cross usage to be clarified with photos
   * Small slightly round-top kite shields and 'heater' shields
   * More mail; (integral) mittens, legs,
   * Long black sleeveless tabard replaces monks robes around 1240
   * Leather chausses on thighs
   * Sleeveless gambeson over mail
   * Aventails on their own are passé
   * 'Face helms' - domes with a single ventilated plate on the front, 'Casques' like the pepper pots, and 'cerveillere' helmets under a coif.


1275 (as 1250 with)

   * Soft kit changes;
         o TODO: full clarification of soft kit
         o Cloth coif and head covering is essential
   * Knights now allowed wear a red surcoat/jupon to differentiate them from sergeant-at-arms
         o Need to clarify cross usage with photos
   * Padded chausses protect down to the knees, optionally add simple dished poleyns


1305 (as 1275, with)

   * Red surcoat/jupell now worn by all
   * Mail mittens start to transition to crafted leather or steel-splint gauntlets
   * hardened leather greaves/vambraces now worn, perhaps scale or splint covered in fabric or leather


1330

   * TODO: verify all soft kit & cross
         o Cloth coif and head covering is essential
         o A full knight of prior status would have had a robe with 4 trims of fur to the value of 40 shillings - this is formal gear and not really battlefield wear
   * Light aketon
   * Coat of plates under mail OR hardened leather breast & back plates over mail (at sea)
   * Padded chausses
   * Leather or leather-covered-splint greaves and sabatons
   * Scale (latten or leather) 'bishops mantle' to protect shoulders (or cheat like me and sew leather to aketon)
   * Proper deep poleyns
   * Crafted leather or steel gauntlets
   * Hauberk
   * Red jupell/surcote with huge white cross
   * Helms often have movable visors
   * Initial foray into pole-arms like the glaive and guisarme
   * http://picasaweb.google.com/john.looney/HistoricalPhotos/photo#5185319756957711554


1430


   * TODO: verify all soft kit & cross
         o NOTE: There was a move away from standardised uniforms at a point in time.  Need to check this.
   * For the weathy:
         o At least half-plate, mail voiders, skirt & standard, arming jack or jupon
         o Rounded 'classical greek' shields
         o warhammers, two handers, polearms
   * For the not-so-wealthy
         o Jack or heavy gambeson & chausses without mail
         o Maybe a dodgy breast plate
         o Jack chains on the arms
   * Decent gauntlets; no more hardened leather
   * Helms like the sallet and armet
   * Short red & white surcote ? (TODO: verify)
   * http://picasaweb.google.com/john.looney/HistoricalPhotos/photo#5185320628836072738


The Challenge


How does one buy kit so that one can cover all these events ?

Start simple:

   * Are you depicting the soldier at war or at rest/peace?
         o War means a focus on hardware.  Soft kit is important but is effectively hidden by the hardware.
         o At peace means that you need little more than the military paraphenalia to depict rank.
   * Soft Kit
         o What was appropriate for a person of the rank depicted for the time period?
         o What are the easiest bits to get together:
               + A cappa (Monk's robe) hides a multitude but is specific in usage
               + Undergarments are the best place to start: Hose, Braies, undertunic for the period
   * Hardware
         o Armour in order of acquisition
              1. Hauberk, heavy aketon, nasal helm. This is the basis for kit from 1050 to 1275, and can be used for Gallowglass.
              2. A kettle hat (pot helm) is a good low-status helmet from 1011 to 1945, though you might be into arguments if you use it before 1250. So, you need a helm that'll do you from 1100 to 1250; face helm, great helm or a cervalliere.
              3. Next, you need a sleeveless gambeson, for 1200-1300. Add detachable sleeves with sewn-on jack-chains, and it's perfect for 1375-1500!
              4. Next, get a coat of plates for going over a light gamby or aketon for 1280-1400. If you make sure that the coat of plate is covered in buff leather not red/blue dye, so you can re-use it under a Kern's doublet or even a Viking tunic as light leather armour.
              5. If you have a long-sleeved hauberk, cut the sleeves down, and you could reuse the mail to make up mittens. Though they are supposed to be integrated with the hauberk, it's not practical with heavy butted mail. You need a decent set of plate gauntlets for 1300-1500; there is no way to escape that. Get mitten ones, or heavy fingered ones if you want to do glaive work.
              6. Padded chausses are easy to make, and are usable from 1250-1500.
              7. If you go for a red jupon, you can add short, baggy sleeves, which can hide leather or plate shoulder pieces that are slightly out of period.
              8. From 1280, greaves and bracers are fine. These can be leather with strips of steel behind them, or hardened leather. By 1400, they really should be steel plate, or bare legged. If you have leather greaves/bracers that are out of period, wear them under clothing for protection.
         o Weapons
               + As standard for the period.  BUT if you are depicting a Knight or someone of similar status then you should have the best gear available at a point in time.


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/m_05p.jpg)  
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 31, 2009, 08:08:05 PM
A glorious welcome frere Steven! Welcome to the brotherhood!

(http://i25.tinypic.com/i3igyw.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on August 31, 2009, 08:59:40 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on August 31, 2009, 07:46:27 PM
Equipping a Knight's Hospitaller
Knights Hospitaller, 1050-1450

This is a document that hopes to explain how to get by with the minimum amount of equipment that will see you from 1050 to 1450.


For medieval swords, please see Oakeschott's typology (http://www.algonet.se/~enda/oakeshott_eng.htm). For visuals, see http://livinghistory.ie/~valen/reenactment_pictures/osprey/

1050 (effectively same as Hastings, pre-hospitaller)

   * soft kit:
         o split hose
               + Should have integral foot but can be omitted depending on footwear.
               + These should extend to about 6"/20cm above the knee.  they are gartered in place just below the knee.  The tops are rolled down over the garters.
         o Pipe braies
               + Baggy, Knee length and ugly.
         o White/cream shirt (Optional)
               + Short and relatively close fitting around the neck.
               + Possibly decorative stitching on the edges
         o Long under Tunic
               + Just above/Below the knee.  Ankle length is acceptable for Nobles/Clerics.
         o Long tunic
               + Same length or slightly LONGER than the under tunic (Long Under tunics are earlier time period to show off tablet weave)
         o TODO: shoes
   * Aketon
         o Same length or slightly longer than Hauberk
   * Short-sleeved hauberk
   * Nasal spangenhelms
   * Viking style sword or lance
   * Teardrop shield


1160
(Norman invasion of Ireland, early Hospitallers)

   * "Soft" kit Same as 1050.
         o TODO: Cross usage and colours to be clarified with photos
         o Black monks robes (cappa) over hauberk
   * 'International' style sword, longer than viking, long quillions
   * One piece conical helmets and early flat-top helms
   * Flat-top kite shield
   * Optional mail aventail


1250

   * "Soft" kit changes;
         o Split hose are longer, extending full length of leg with "peaks" up at front or side which may be tied off to a belt.
         o Underclothes should be a plain white/off white colour.  This is not standard for the time in general but is standard for the Hospitallers.  Includes Undertunics, Hose etc.
         o Simple white linen coif for head covering is essential
         o TODO: cross usage to be clarified with photos
   * Small slightly round-top kite shields and 'heater' shields
   * More mail; (integral) mittens, legs,
   * Long black sleeveless tabard replaces monks robes around 1240
   * Leather chausses on thighs
   * Sleeveless gambeson over mail
   * Aventails on their own are passé
   * 'Face helms' - domes with a single ventilated plate on the front, 'Casques' like the pepper pots, and 'cerveillere' helmets under a coif.


1275 (as 1250 with)

   * Soft kit changes;
         o TODO: full clarification of soft kit
         o Cloth coif and head covering is essential
   * Knights now allowed wear a red surcoat/jupon to differentiate them from sergeant-at-arms
         o Need to clarify cross usage with photos
   * Padded chausses protect down to the knees, optionally add simple dished poleyns


1305 (as 1275, with)

   * Red surcoat/jupell now worn by all
   * Mail mittens start to transition to crafted leather or steel-splint gauntlets
   * hardened leather greaves/vambraces now worn, perhaps scale or splint covered in fabric or leather


1330

   * TODO: verify all soft kit & cross
         o Cloth coif and head covering is essential
         o A full knight of prior status would have had a robe with 4 trims of fur to the value of 40 shillings - this is formal gear and not really battlefield wear
   * Light aketon
   * Coat of plates under mail OR hardened leather breast & back plates over mail (at sea)
   * Padded chausses
   * Leather or leather-covered-splint greaves and sabatons
   * Scale (latten or leather) 'bishops mantle' to protect shoulders (or cheat like me and sew leather to aketon)
   * Proper deep poleyns
   * Crafted leather or steel gauntlets
   * Hauberk
   * Red jupell/surcote with huge white cross
   * Helms often have movable visors
   * Initial foray into pole-arms like the glaive and guisarme
   * http://picasaweb.google.com/john.looney/HistoricalPhotos/photo#5185319756957711554


1430


   * TODO: verify all soft kit & cross
         o NOTE: There was a move away from standardised uniforms at a point in time.  Need to check this.
   * For the weathy:
         o At least half-plate, mail voiders, skirt & standard, arming jack or jupon
         o Rounded 'classical greek' shields
         o warhammers, two handers, polearms
   * For the not-so-wealthy
         o Jack or heavy gambeson & chausses without mail
         o Maybe a dodgy breast plate
         o Jack chains on the arms
   * Decent gauntlets; no more hardened leather
   * Helms like the sallet and armet
   * Short red & white surcote ? (TODO: verify)
   * http://picasaweb.google.com/john.looney/HistoricalPhotos/photo#5185320628836072738


The Challenge


How does one buy kit so that one can cover all these events ?

Start simple:

   * Are you depicting the soldier at war or at rest/peace?
         o War means a focus on hardware.  Soft kit is important but is effectively hidden by the hardware.
         o At peace means that you need little more than the military paraphenalia to depict rank.
   * Soft Kit
         o What was appropriate for a person of the rank depicted for the time period?
         o What are the easiest bits to get together:
               + A cappa (Monk's robe) hides a multitude but is specific in usage
               + Undergarments are the best place to start: Hose, Braies, undertunic for the period
   * Hardware
         o Armour in order of acquisition
              1. Hauberk, heavy aketon, nasal helm. This is the basis for kit from 1050 to 1275, and can be used for Gallowglass.
              2. A kettle hat (pot helm) is a good low-status helmet from 1011 to 1945, though you might be into arguments if you use it before 1250. So, you need a helm that'll do you from 1100 to 1250; face helm, great helm or a cervalliere.
              3. Next, you need a sleeveless gambeson, for 1200-1300. Add detachable sleeves with sewn-on jack-chains, and it's perfect for 1375-1500!
              4. Next, get a coat of plates for going over a light gamby or aketon for 1280-1400. If you make sure that the coat of plate is covered in buff leather not red/blue dye, so you can re-use it under a Kern's doublet or even a Viking tunic as light leather armour.
              5. If you have a long-sleeved hauberk, cut the sleeves down, and you could reuse the mail to make up mittens. Though they are supposed to be integrated with the hauberk, it's not practical with heavy butted mail. You need a decent set of plate gauntlets for 1300-1500; there is no way to escape that. Get mitten ones, or heavy fingered ones if you want to do glaive work.
              6. Padded chausses are easy to make, and are usable from 1250-1500.
              7. If you go for a red jupon, you can add short, baggy sleeves, which can hide leather or plate shoulder pieces that are slightly out of period.
              8. From 1280, greaves and bracers are fine. These can be leather with strips of steel behind them, or hardened leather. By 1400, they really should be steel plate, or bare legged. If you have leather greaves/bracers that are out of period, wear them under clothing for protection.
         o Weapons
               + As standard for the period.  BUT if you are depicting a Knight or someone of similar status then you should have the best gear available at a point in time.


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/m_05p.jpg)  

Amazing!!!  This is great!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 01, 2009, 05:54:03 PM
I'm ready to go to Italy. Thank you for sharing, Brother William!  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 02, 2009, 02:56:08 AM
Heck ya! I think we should all go. Do a little shopping at "Medieval Designs"  (http://www.medievaldesign.com/english.asp)get a couple pizzas and fly back! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/pizza.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 02, 2009, 07:20:17 AM
Thanks to all of you who have made this thread fun!

http://tinypic.com/r/1zg51xx/3



Was working on one for the Sisters of Steel/MCs, but it came out "R" rated, going to shoot for PG-13.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 02, 2009, 10:03:34 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 02, 2009, 07:20:17 AM
Thanks to all of you who have made this thread fun!

http://tinypic.com/r/1zg51xx/3


(http://i39.tinypic.com/2hh3y1y.jpg)

BRAVO!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 02, 2009, 10:44:10 AM
Quite a divine production Warrior Monk.

Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 02, 2009, 07:20:17 AM
Was working on one for the Sisters of Steel/MCs, but it came out "R" rated, going to shoot for PG-13.  ;)

I suggest you scrap the above.  Some things are better left up to the imagination.  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 02, 2009, 10:55:47 AM
Got ya covered! ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 02, 2009, 12:48:58 PM
Let's hope so.  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 02, 2009, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 02, 2009, 10:03:34 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 02, 2009, 07:20:17 AM
Thanks to all of you who have made this thread fun!

http://tinypic.com/r/1zg51xx/3


(http://i39.tinypic.com/2hh3y1y.jpg)

BRAVO!



Seconded!


(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/TB-751/jokerclapping.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 02, 2009, 01:56:57 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 02, 2009, 12:48:58 PM
Let's hope so.  :P

??? *How does one photoshop in a tissue?*  :P :P :P









So it looks like you're cleaning the falchion...... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 02, 2009, 07:10:35 PM
OUTSTANDING VIDEO!!!!

Brother William again showing off his amazing ability to find pics online; I've never seen that one of me with the other crusader! LOL!!!  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 03, 2009, 01:15:58 PM
Today in History..........

1189:  Richard the Lionheart (Friend of the Temple) was crowned king of England
(http://i30.tinypic.com/op6x6b.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 03, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
                  HAIL

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/545px-England_COAsvg.png)

RICHARD!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on September 03, 2009, 02:03:21 PM
Thank thee, Sir! You may now rise! :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 03, 2009, 02:16:01 PM
Wow! Sort of walked right into that one...... :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on September 03, 2009, 03:59:32 PM
Thank you for inducting me! Yes I'm a little out of character but that will change soon as I like to change my profile picture and name quite often. (Ask Warrior Monk lol).
I feel it a humble honor to be part of this group. I do wear my full regalia out to fest a couple of times. I hope to have some more pictures with full maille and helm soon. (It has to cool down a bit, I love wearing the stuff but I don't wanna die of heat stroke!).
I am a jack of all trades of sort at fest as I play many characters, but the Templar was my first when I started and my most proud, sadly not many knights up here in MN :( . I proudly show off all my knight things at home more than anything else (what little I have).
So again thank you! And don;t judge a book by it's cover when it comes to me. I may show many faces on here but my one true one is always a Templar.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 04, 2009, 01:44:42 PM
Yeah ::)....about that........we're gonna have to work on that screen name :o, before somebody digs up the old charges that Phillip IV threw at the Templars back in the early 14th Century... :P :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 04, 2009, 02:58:15 PM
ROFL, I can here the rumors starting already (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/20.gif) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/shocked3.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on September 04, 2009, 05:16:15 PM
what if I wear the tunic over my slops????

Just kidding, just kidding, just kidding...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 04, 2009, 07:42:57 PM
See how much traffic it stated...lol!

Yeah it's a start Frere Steven, we'll jsut have to find a good castle/fortress for ya! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 04, 2009, 07:48:55 PM
To thine own self be true Sir Steven, and welcome. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on September 06, 2009, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: Warrior_Monk on September 03, 2009, 02:16:01 PM
Wow! Sort of walked right into that one...... :P ;D ;)

Haw...Haw...Haw! 8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on September 06, 2009, 12:14:20 PM
Hey, i was just wondering, i dont talk to anyone on other boards,so, but has anybody heard any good things about Tybee Island Pirate Fest? Im prolly going, especially since i just found out Marshall Tucker Band is playing it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 06, 2009, 02:54:22 PM
Jessie, jessie, jessie... have you been drinking?



(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/buds.gif)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Josef Von Lamar on September 06, 2009, 05:53:18 PM
DEUS VULT!

                     I have arrived!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 06, 2009, 07:51:09 PM
By the splinters of the Crucifix, it's about time Brother!!! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 06, 2009, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 06, 2009, 02:54:22 PM
Jessie, jessie, jessie... have you been drinking?



(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/buds.gif)



Hey now!  Thar be nuthin wrong with pyrates!  I happen to be one meself from time to time.  It pays in rum, ye know!

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/mepc.jpg)


(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/pirates.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Josef Von Lamar on September 06, 2009, 09:04:47 PM
Lord God !!  Trapped in the sands of Tiberius
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 06, 2009, 09:17:03 PM
How enlightening yet strange to finally see your presence here my brother.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 06, 2009, 09:22:01 PM
Quote from: Sir Josef Von Lamar on September 06, 2009, 09:04:47 PM
Lord God !!  Trapped in the sands of Teberius

Heh, no worries dear brother.

With my above comment being said....I am going on my first patrol of the fall tomorrow!  I will spreading the word of the Order at the Kansas City Ren Faire....and it's even the pirate weekend!  ;)

Deus lo vult!

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0085.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 06, 2009, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on September 06, 2009, 09:01:34 PM
Hey now!  Thar be nuthin wrong with pyrates!  I happen to be one meself from time to time.  It pays in rum, ye know!

Not knockin them at all. I've even dabbled in the past with being a scullywag.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/SWMpyrateII.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 06, 2009, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on September 06, 2009, 09:22:01 PM
Quote from: Sir Josef Von Lamar on September 06, 2009, 09:04:47 PM
Lord God !!  Trapped in the sands of Teberius

Heh, no worries dear brother.

With my above comment being said....I am going on my first patrol of the fall tomorrow!  I will spreading the word of the Order at the Kansas City Ren Faire....and it's even the pirate weekend!  ;)

Deus lo vult!

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0085.jpg)


Amazing, as me and Sir Josef are planning on crusading to OHRF tomorrow with weather permitting. I wish you the best on your patrols frere Marcus!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 07, 2009, 09:32:09 AM
All the best to my Brothers on patrol this holiday weekend. Remember.....the Saracen are watching.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 07, 2009, 09:35:27 AM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on September 06, 2009, 12:14:20 PM
Hey, i was just wondering, i dont talk to anyone on other boards,so, but has anybody heard any good things about Tybee Island Pirate Fest? Im prolly going, especially since i just found out Marshall Tucker Band is playing it.

*patting the young wayward applicant on his back, and turning him in the appropiate direction.........*

http://tybeeisland.com/tybeepiratefest/
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 07, 2009, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 06, 2009, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on September 06, 2009, 09:01:34 PM
Hey now!  Thar be nuthin wrong with pyrates!  I happen to be one meself from time to time.  It pays in rum, ye know!

Not knockin them at all. I've even dabbled in the past with being a scullywag.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/SWMpyrateII.jpg)

Apparently Brother, you were much better finding the "look". ;)

I was never comfortable with the "sea-side sinner" look........ :P

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/pirate.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 07, 2009, 07:00:16 PM
Brother Beaumanoir, if that's not a sin, I don't know what is!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 07, 2009, 07:04:55 PM
Unfortunately, it saddened us this morning as we had to postponed our patrols at OHRF due to unfavorable weather conditions.  We can only await word from brother Marcus.  Hopefully his day went as planned and wasn't hindered by the forces of nature. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 08, 2009, 09:17:14 AM
Brother William I'm sorry to hear nature interfered with your planned patrol.  :'(  She works in mysterious ways.  Surely you will have another opportunity soon. 

I want to extend the invitation to all the Brothers & Monks on this thread to make the pilgrimage to CRF this fall. Fairhaven often represents many Brothers of the Orders (as documented previously) and I know everyone will have a LARGE time.  Rumor has it that Frere de Beaumanoir will be making an official visit...and plans send out a formal request to all others here. (Perhaps to assist him in facing the equally represented Pagan heathens that abound) 

I know the Brothers have attempted a gathering in the past, perhaps now is the time! 

Deus Vult?

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 08, 2009, 10:10:50 AM
Mother Nature gave us a glorious day, if a tad warm, and patrol I did.  I only ran into one other Brother, of the Teutonic Order, however the camera was off shopping at the time.  :P

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0060.jpg)

However, eventually the heat and the weight of the mail did me in, and I had to join my seaborn mates in some rum n' wenching.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 08, 2009, 05:43:02 PM
A splendid shot Brother, and if your humidity was anything we had at the range today...ooohhhh...I understand. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 08, 2009, 07:23:23 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 08, 2009, 09:17:14 AM
I want to extend the invitation to all the Brothers & Monks on this thread to make the pilgrimage to CRF this fall. Fairhaven often represents many Brothers of the Orders (as documented previously) and I know everyone will have a LARGE time.  Rumor has it that Frere de Beaumanoir will be making an official visit...and plans send out a formal request to all others here. (Perhaps to assist him in facing the equally represented Pagan heathens that abound) 

I know the Brothers have attempted a gathering in the past, perhaps now is the time! 

Deus Vult?



Does this mean I have to make a Carolina Rendezvous poster?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 08, 2009, 08:47:09 PM

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0060.jpg)

Right on brother Marcus! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/notworthy.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 09, 2009, 05:50:52 PM
(http://i28.tinypic.com/30w5zxl.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 10, 2009, 09:56:05 AM
Nice!  Someday perhaps I'll be able to meet up somewhere.

Going back to the painted helm of our Italian Brothers....that's really intrigued me and I've actually been considering doing it to my helm!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on September 10, 2009, 02:52:27 PM
I have always preferred painted helms, to non... I painted my great helm red and left the brass cross unpainted, but i was the only one who liked it so i eventually cleaned it off.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 10, 2009, 08:01:02 PM
I noticed this unfortunate event just today.....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_2785.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 10, 2009, 08:19:22 PM
Down, but not out, it appears to me, dear Sister.  It looks as if the brave Brother is about introduce his mace to the top of that beast's head!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 11, 2009, 03:34:27 AM
That's right! You can't keep a brother down!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 11, 2009, 05:33:42 AM
Tactically speaking, they have laid down on their backs as to present smaller targets against this aerial foe, it also limits the amount of directions that the threat can come at them. (They used to instruct Infantryman to lay down on their backs during an attack by enemy aircraft and concentrate their fire at a point above them that the enemy would pass through....here that point appears to be the space occupied by the winged reptile's brain housing!) ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 12, 2009, 10:57:32 AM
New book alert:

Picked up a book at Barnes & Noble today titled:

The Templars, The History & The Myth by Michael Haag

It appears to be a book version of just about everything we've touched on this thread: history, myth, movie Templars, games, reenactors, websites.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on September 12, 2009, 07:13:49 PM
perfect i have a 40% coupon i gotta use up!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 13, 2009, 07:10:46 AM


Monday, September 14, 2009
____________________________________________________


(http://i40.tinypic.com/j7stoo.jpg)

8-10pm -- The Templar Code -
For nearly two centuries, the Knights Templar were the medieval world's most powerful order, a fearsome and unstoppable Crusader militia. Then came accusations of unspeakable crimes. Who were the Templars, really? How did they become so powerful, so fast, and why did they fall just as quickly? Evidence hints that the Templars excavated under Jerusalem's Temple of Solomon. What did they find there? Was it, as The Da Vinci Code suggests, the true identity of the Holy Grail--the bloodline of Christ? Or an unimaginable treasure, documented in the Dead Sea Scrolls, buried 1,000 years before Christ's birth? We explore the Templar's origin, how they lived, trained, fought and became a medieval world power, and the suspicious circumstances behind their sudden downfall. Plus, we reveal why these warriors, dead for seven centuries, and their treasure still populate Hollywood blockbusters. Narrated by Ed Herrmann and featuring preeminent Templar authors.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 13, 2009, 07:14:54 AM
Sunday, September 20, 2009
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(http://i40.tinypic.com/j7stoo.jpg)

8-10pm -- Holy Grail in America -
In 1898, a Minnesota farmer clearing trees from his field uproots a large stone covered with mysterious runes. Now known as the Kensington Rune Stone, it details a journey of land acquisition and murder--in the year 1362. Thought by some to be a hoax, new evidence suggests it could be real, and a clue that the Knights Templar discovered America 100 years before Columbus, perhaps bringing with them history's greatest treasure...The Holy Grail. See how symbols on the Rune Stone match Templar ruins all over Europe. History tells us the Templar were massacred on Friday the 13th, but that a Templar fleet allegedly containing treasure was last seen off Scotland in the late 1300s. Stones with similar markings as the Rune stone have been found on islands across the Atlantic Ocean, as well as in Massachusetts, and Rhode Island. Is it possible the Templar were leaving clues to an incredible journey to the New World?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 13, 2009, 08:58:56 AM
Ahh, more fuel for the DVR!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 13, 2009, 09:20:54 AM
DVR's RULE!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 13, 2009, 10:05:54 AM
Now if I could only find the time to actually watch everything I DVR....  :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 13, 2009, 10:20:16 AM
Exactly. Then again that's the nice thing about having a DVR is when you do finally have the time its there waiting for ya, and you can fast forward through all of those annoying commercials too (http://i41.tinypic.com/10zvfnk.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 13, 2009, 07:36:10 PM
Interesting...a shot of a UK reenactor from a living history group:

(http://i30.tinypic.com/152hsug.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 13, 2009, 08:13:53 PM
What do you find most interesting about my brother?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 13, 2009, 08:40:09 PM
Notice the distinct lack of a mail coif...something we saw earlier in the holdings of a Preceptory in Indiana.... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 13, 2009, 11:58:23 PM
LOL, I knew it!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 14, 2009, 04:42:31 AM
Hehe, and here I thought it was the huge nasal on the helm!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 14, 2009, 07:00:34 AM
One can also make notice of the sleeved robe (http://i41.tinypic.com/15s4ot2.jpg) 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 14, 2009, 09:15:10 AM
It's almost as if he was watching us......*insert Twighlight Zone music theme here*
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 14, 2009, 09:36:12 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 14, 2009, 07:00:34 AM
One can also make notice of the sleeved robe (http://i41.tinypic.com/15s4ot2.jpg) 

Is that not correct (at some point) for Templars?  I know it was for we of the Hospital.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 14, 2009, 09:39:59 AM
I thought I remembered a pic from the Osprey book:

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/TemplarCappae.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 14, 2009, 10:17:18 AM
That's exactly where myself & Sir Joseph robes were spawned from.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 15, 2009, 08:22:27 AM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/08/30/knights-are-looking-for-a-fight-91466-24563177/
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 15, 2009, 10:44:57 AM
I feel the pain :(  There is nothing worse than having a bunch of seasoned battle ready knights hanging around with no one to beat up. I'm thinking they should pack up shop and immediately relocate somewhere in the mid western part of the United States asap  ;D ;)

Just a thought

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/templarios2.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 16, 2009, 10:56:46 AM
this is my favorite line,

Quote"We're all getting a little frustrated as a broadsword and mail can cost over £1,000... it's going to waste."

Sir William I'm sure with your expertise in event planning you could organize a medieval re-enactment with at least 800 warriors.....in your spare time.   
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 16, 2009, 12:22:28 PM
Oh no, thank you sister for having confidence in me to orchestrate such an event.  Unfortunately, event planning is not a specialty of mine. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Mikael of Aragon on September 16, 2009, 11:44:56 PM
Just arrange to have a papal bull issued and the crusaders will come a running!  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 17, 2009, 08:23:31 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 16, 2009, 10:56:46 AM
this is my favorite line,

Quote"We're all getting a little frustrated as a broadsword and mail can cost over £1,000... it's going to waste."

Sir William I'm sure with your expertise in event planning you could organize a medieval re-enactment with at least 800 warriors.....in your spare time.   


Sigh, if only such a thing could be arranged!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2009, 09:21:30 AM
(http://i28.tinypic.com/wlf4hs.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on September 17, 2009, 09:36:50 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 13, 2009, 07:14:54 AM
Sunday, September 20, 2009
____________________________________________________


(http://i40.tinypic.com/j7stoo.jpg)

8-10pm -- Holy Grail in America -
In 1898, a Minnesota farmer clearing trees from his field uproots a large stone covered with mysterious runes. Now known as the Kensington Rune Stone, it details a journey of land acquisition and murder--in the year 1362. Thought by some to be a hoax, new evidence suggests it could be real, and a clue that the Knights Templar discovered America 100 years before Columbus, perhaps bringing with them history's greatest treasure...The Holy Grail. See how symbols on the Rune Stone match Templar ruins all over Europe. History tells us the Templar were massacred on Friday the 13th, but that a Templar fleet allegedly containing treasure was last seen off Scotland in the late 1300s. Stones with similar markings as the Rune stone have been found on islands across the Atlantic Ocean, as well as in Massachusetts, and Rhode Island. Is it possible the Templar were leaving clues to an incredible journey to the New World?

Greeetings to you all. My pardons for a newbie to break into an existing conversation. I have listened to several in depth interviews with Geologist and author Scott Wolter as he discussed his groundbreaking research into the origins of the Kensington Rune Stone and its connections to other rune stones in America. The Kensington Rune Stone found in Minnesota contains Runic inscriptions with the date 1362. He believes the inscriptions were made by explorers from Gotland ( due to the style of runes), an island off Sweden that had a military monastic order that was possibly the Knights Templar.

His latest research focused on the enigmatic Hooked X symbol, seen in the Kensington stone. This symbol, which was used in the medieval era, also appeared in runic stones found in Maine and other locations, such as Rosslyn Chapel, he noted. Further, the mysterious Newport Tower in Rhode Island, which may have been built by Templars, has a notched keystone through which a line points exactly in the direction of the Kensington Rune Stone.

The Hooked X symbol is one of the runes in GRAL, an early spelling for grail, as in the Holy Grail, according to Wolter said.  So if he is correct they may be something to this after all. The  second interview was just last month. So the info that I heard is pretty recent. Im tempted to purchase his book.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2009, 10:12:45 AM
Greetings Lord Magnus,,

I believe I have heard of you through the stories and legends of a few Brothers of the Temple in the Priory of Indiana. ;)

If I remember correctly, you once carried the stigma of a Saracen Amir or the like, but after being "struck" with the Holy Instrument that carries the Beausant on high, it can only mean that you've underwent  conversion, and are welcomed here amongst our thread pilgrims.

Seek you a position amongst the leadership of our Turcopoles perhaps? ;)



Interesting post. I seem to have read or seen something about the island you mentioned recently.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2009, 07:01:21 AM
New book alert!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1586173022/ref=pe_5050_13089450_snp_dp


New movie alert!

Plot Summary for

Ironclad (2010) : In 13th century a determined group of Knights Templar defends Rochester Castle against the tyrannical King John.

It is the year 1215 and the rebel barons of England have forced their despised King John to put his royal seal to the Magna Carta, a noble, seminal document that upheld the rights of free-men. Yet within months of pledging himself to the great charter, the King reneged on his word and assembled a mercenary army on the south coast of England with the intention of bringing the barons and the country back under his tyrannical rule. Barring his way stood the mighty Rochester castle, a place that would become the symbol of the rebel's momentous struggle for justice and freedom.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Josef Von Lamar on September 21, 2009, 06:04:46 PM
Looking 4word 2 the new movie!! and Lord Magnus....Greetings !! Holy Grail in America was Quite Interesting some Templars had my Sword ????
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 21, 2009, 09:16:49 PM
I've got it DVR'ed but I havent had a chance to watch it yet...actually got back to the KCRF Sunday.  No patrolling for me though, I was all pirate.  However my new KoH Hospitaler tunic arrived today, so it was a good day.  We're going back to KC for a full weekend this coming weekend, so I'll probably go Hospitaler one day for sure.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 22, 2009, 02:17:46 PM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/2kelmu.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 22, 2009, 02:41:22 PM
I know where that image is from!!! ;D

I was looking at the "induction" ceremony picture in Osprey's Knight Templar book (2nd plate) and was going to try the black beret look that the Brothers are sporting in the representation. Also the mixed white cape with black surcoat.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 22, 2009, 03:07:03 PM
I'm with ya, its a good look. They also use the beret quite a bit in one of the History Channel documentaries as well
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 22, 2009, 03:12:09 PM
Makes it easy for me to acquire since the Army uses black ones. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 22, 2009, 07:33:36 PM
My appologies for not acting sooner, but we welcome another into our General Warrior Monk Chapter.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/JosefvonLamarcert.jpg

Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 22, 2009, 10:43:59 PM
Aaaaah yes! He will be most pleased!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on September 23, 2009, 03:54:09 AM
Good Sir Marcus,

   There is the possibility I may be heading to the Fischers faire this year. I have to see how things pan out, but, the chance is there for at least one of the days. I will post when I know for sure.

Lord Clisto, Duke of York
Knight of the Holy Blade of York
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 23, 2009, 08:19:37 AM
This is good news indeed M'Lord! You will have our complete support. We await your confirmation.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on September 23, 2009, 08:54:36 AM
Quote from: Preceptor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2009, 10:12:45 AM
Greetings Lord Magnus,,

I believe I have heard of you through the stories and legends of a few Brothers of the Temple in the Priory of Indiana. ;)

If I remember correctly, you once carried the stigma of a Saracen Amir or the like, but after being "struck" with the Holy Instrument that carries the Beausant on high, it can only mean that you've underwent  conversion, and are welcomed here amongst our thread pilgrims.

Seek you a position amongst the leadership of our Turcopoles perhaps? ;)



Interesting post. I seem to have read or seen something about the island you mentioned recently.


Good Sir, that would be a position fitting for one such as me.  ;)  However my stature does make me more equipped for hand to hand over archery.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 23, 2009, 09:28:24 AM
According to the statutes laid out in "Our" revered Rule, that would be exactly the type of position you would fill, for this honored station was not a Horse Archer himself.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 23, 2009, 10:30:27 AM
Thanks Dan Brown.............

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?a=jjqoa4gciga&title=8_myths_from_The_Lost_Symbol_on_Freemasons_decoded
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 24, 2009, 12:55:35 PM
Greetings Brother Warriors.  Thought you all would hear tell of the Angelo-Saxon treasures recently uncovered.....an exquisite collection of trophies from either a single battle or from 1 warrior's long and successful military career.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8272370.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8272370.stm)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 24, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
pops in been a little preoccupied with preparing for my trip  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 24, 2009, 02:51:16 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on September 23, 2009, 10:30:27 AM
Thanks Dan Brown.............

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?a=jjqoa4gciga&title=8_myths_from_The_Lost_Symbol_on_Freemasons_decoded


Once again , do they need to be reminded?


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/poster7477400.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 24, 2009, 02:57:18 PM
Sister Hatchet, Thanks for sharing the news on the Saxon discovery. I was unaware of such an exquisite find
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 25, 2009, 05:32:52 PM
Brothers, Sister, Mother Confessor, I thought I'd bounce an idea I had off of your experience base.

I'm thinking of trying to add a clerical miter to the top of my great helm for an appearnce at the CRF. It would look something like this, if I can find the right size and color for my tastes....

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2zqvpfs.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 25, 2009, 05:55:51 PM
I would definitely be interested in seeing it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 26, 2009, 03:22:10 AM
Are you serious?  Do you think our beloved Grandmaster Lucas de Beaumanoir would approve of such a decorative ornament? Have you ditched your red & white tunic and taken the habit of our German brothers as it would only be somewhat acceptable then.  I'm somewhat confused my brother
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 26, 2009, 12:54:31 PM
That's a valid point. I was thinking of addressing the need for a Warrior like Bishop to support Templar efforts in the Outremer. Colors would be that of the Order, not gold.

I got the idea from this picture:

(http://i38.tinypic.com/5miqso.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 27, 2009, 07:20:40 PM
Warrior Monk....I think it totally acceptable to change it up for CRF.  Surely Grandmaster Lucas de Beaumanoir would make a few allowances given that you plan to attend on All Hallows' Eve!   ;D 

Could you any other pictures of what you're planning.  I just can't get a sense from the figure and the drawing..... 

p.s.  What a lovely new avatar. Is that holy water you're regurgitating or just frothing at the mouth in holy fervor?   ;) :P :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 27, 2009, 11:29:37 PM
Allow me, and excuse me as we here are under the influence of some of Ireland's finest

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/double_miter.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 28, 2009, 05:32:30 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on September 27, 2009, 07:20:40 PM
Warrior Monk....I think it totally acceptable to change it up for CRF.  Surely Grandmaster Lucas de Beaumanoir would make a few allowances given that you plan to attend on All Hallows' Eve!   ;D 

Could you any other pictures of what you're planning.  I just can't get a sense from the figure and the drawing..... 

p.s.  What a lovely new avatar. Is that holy water you're regurgitating or just frothing at the mouth in holy fervor?    ;) :P :D

Yes, that's it in bold....Master de Beaumanoir would probably frown upon such frivalities......now pray!


As for Frere Williams photo...yes that's exactly the type, but I might go with a more white/less red look, but you and Brother Josef look great with your "attachments". ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 28, 2009, 07:33:16 AM
Accessorizing! Just allowing a a little visual.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/12Dec08004.jpg)

Now PRAY!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 28, 2009, 05:23:49 PM
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2sb9vzk.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on September 28, 2009, 07:16:36 PM
Well, I guess 3 out of 4 aint bad.   ;)

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/pirates.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 29, 2009, 08:36:52 AM
alright boys behave don't tred on too many toes and listen to mother confessor. I'll post pics of the big sandbox when i get back  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 29, 2009, 09:44:46 AM
Sahara Desert?


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animal%20Pictures%20and%20Gifs/camel-on-white-wallpapers_13234_128.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 29, 2009, 09:52:49 AM
rofl nooo I'm not going to the sahara desert I'm going to south america
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on September 29, 2009, 11:29:27 AM
Safe travels Sister...sounds like an adventure!   :)

and rest assured Warrior Monk, I pray for you daily.   ;)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on September 29, 2009, 12:24:52 PM
thanks FF yes an adventure awaits as well as a home coming
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on September 29, 2009, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 29, 2009, 09:44:46 AM
Sahara Desert?


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animal%20Pictures%20and%20Gifs/camel-on-white-wallpapers_13234_128.jpg)

Good Sir William, that is a Bactrian Camel, native to the steppes that is under the control of the Mongols ( having seen and rode a few in my travels as a caravan guard east of the Empire...). I believe what you  want is an artists rendition of a Dromedary Camel ( single hump), native to the Levant ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 30, 2009, 03:29:40 AM
Why yes my good friend to be geographically correct a Dromedary Camel would be the right choice for the Sahara Desert.  Although the Bactrian Camel I thought looks cooler, was imported, and readily available (its actually all I had available to me in my photo imaging zoo at the moment, besides two humps are better than one..right?). I thank you for the crash course in cameltology and will make note to use the correct camel that is native to its region in future post  ;) ;D

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animal%20Pictures%20and%20Gifs/10188698-1-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 01, 2009, 06:53:18 AM
Brothers William and Josef,

I do realize you will be presenting a pristine Warrior Monk appearance at Fishers Faire this weekend. I have a good friend who is going to try and visit with you. He will be traveling in the fashion of a mundane pilgrim. He will probably have his lovely bride and princess in company with him. I have asked him to seek out the Beausant and make himself known. It's a possible recruiting effort in the making. You won't miss him, he's taller than myself!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 01, 2009, 10:05:26 AM
We will keep our eyes & ears open my brother.  It appears the list of friends attending for the first time this year grows rapidly.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 01, 2009, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on October 01, 2009, 06:53:18 AM
Brothers William and Josef,

I do realize you will be presenting a pristine Warrior Monk appearance at Fishers Faire this weekend. I have a good friend who is going to try and visit with you. He will be traveling in the fashion of a mundane pilgrim. He will probably have his lovely bride and princess in company with him. I have asked him to seek out the Beausant and make himself known. It's a possible recruiting effort in the making. You won't miss him, he's taller than myself!

He's taller than you??   :o :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 01, 2009, 10:36:14 AM
Oh yes, absolutely!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 01, 2009, 07:25:49 PM
i didn't think they made warrior monks any taller :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 03, 2009, 11:52:35 AM
New Book Alert:

The Crusades, History and Myths Revealed by Michael Paine

Found it at B&N this moning. Cool new graphics I've not seen.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 05, 2009, 03:37:50 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/001-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/053-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 05, 2009, 08:39:01 PM
Well done! Huzzah! It does appear that Lord Clisto is more comfortable with the Brothers of the Hospital though.... ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 05, 2009, 09:38:34 PM
I'm gonna bet Lord Clisto was quite comfortable with the Templars as well  ;). They were one of the reasons I think he decided stay an extra day and finish out the "God Wills It!" tour.  ;) :D  

(http://i34.tinypic.com/4qsf0y.jpg)
Image by Everett Buel





Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 05, 2009, 11:04:33 PM
Yes, indeed it was the templars. They pleaded with me that they needed my help on crusade of the Meade booth. And, me being a knight of the Holy Blade, of course I had to go along with the order to conquer that evil liquid.  As a matter of fact, not only did I decide to stay another day, I also was not going to drink the second day. But, for some strange turn of events, there was an uprising and one of the two Hospitallers yelled God Wills It, so I had to once again take up the cause. It was a heavy battle of a bottle, but we were victorious and took over the holy land once again.

And, I can tell you it was both the Templars and Hospitallers of equal standing for me staying. They just healed me the day after so I could once again do battle with said EVIL liquid.

(http://www.sirclisto.com/fishers/field.jpg)
GOD WILLS IT!!!

(http://www.sirclisto.com/fishers/temp.jpg)

Lord Clisto  
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 06, 2009, 07:25:42 AM
Excellent!  I might also ad that the mead flowed so freely that they RAN OUT ON SUNDAY!  They did however manage to have delivery of a limited amount on Sunday and we destroyed that as well..God Wills It!

We also discovered that our tankards will actually hold an entire bottle of mead captive.  I might also add that the three pictures above and the one below are just a few of the rare images that we were NOT holding our tankards!  ;D

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/143.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on October 06, 2009, 07:45:41 AM
Great shots guys. Love the one with Clisto having his sword drawn. And the hill shots are always cool.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 06, 2009, 08:25:08 AM
Thank you Lord Magnus. One must give credit to you for the hill shots as you were the one that initiated the idea in the past.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/141.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on October 06, 2009, 08:28:43 AM
Here is one I got of you guys later on Sunday..
(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af206/ormus1/fishers2009192of254.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on October 06, 2009, 08:31:38 AM
Err... And Speaking of Hill shots, I got one of my own this time  ;)

(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af206/ormus1/fishers2009235of254.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 06, 2009, 08:50:48 AM
Outstanding! What a great shot..the hill rocks!

Quote from: Lord Magnus on October 06, 2009, 08:28:43 AM
Here is one I got of you guys later on Sunday..
(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af206/ormus1/fishers2009192of254.jpg)

That's us with good friend Angus aka Robert formally of Wuffingas. He volunteered to be a standard bearer for the remainder of the day and carried out his mission with thee utmost bravery and honor.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/083.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 06, 2009, 09:02:11 AM
I think here you were honing in on some nacho's  ;)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/127.jpg)


A face only a Mongol could love!  ;) ;D

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/140.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 06, 2009, 11:23:44 AM
Don't forget our secret weapon in the brotherhood.

(http://www.sirclisto.com/fishers/sktemp.jpg)

"*##@$*+^^%$#%^  %$@!!!  &&*^#@@" - Translated (GOD WILLS IT!!!)

Sir Sammy Squirrel
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 06, 2009, 01:11:48 PM
Indeed M'Lord!  We must also not forget and recognize Sir Josef's faith and bravery.  To withhold any information or the location of the mead caravan under extreme acts of torture from the mead swindling enemy forces .

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/f87.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/040.jpg)


GOD WILLS IT!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 06, 2009, 01:56:03 PM
Hail everyone,

I just finished putting up my Fishers  Renaissance Faire pictures for this last weekend 10/3-4/09. What a fantastic time was had. Being able to partake in this faire was  a great distraction from lifes hum drum. And, being able to go on crusade with my brother Templars and Hospitallers made it most adventurous. Hell, I even decided to stay an extra day due to all the merriment. Or was that the meade? No matter, it was a super time with great friends. Thanks everyone for making it a really fun time and for being able to meet so many great people.

Anyway, for anyone interested, just follow the link below. Then click on the Fishers link once there. Hope everyone enjoys them.

http://www.sirclisto.com/51main.html


Have a great week,
Sir Clisto, Knight of the Holy Blade of York
Lord Clisto,Duke of York
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 06, 2009, 02:20:30 PM
Well said M'Lord, and we here are already anticipating the next adventure.  Perhaps a rendezvous & gathering of fellow brethren at Fishers in 2010??  Time will tell.

If I may add a few more images from your gallery M"lord.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/f91.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/f90.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 06, 2009, 03:24:48 PM
Aye... What others don't see in those last two portraits are the 15 Sarisin's coming to meet Gods army of three before we helped them meet their ancestors. GOD WILLS IT!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 06, 2009, 08:52:20 PM
Almost forgot to mention that I finally met up with Robert of Tyre aka Templar Bob for the first time too. He had his camp setup and it was quite impressive. Then again, I wouldn't expect anything less from him.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/048.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/044.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/050.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on October 06, 2009, 09:54:56 PM
Awesome pics, my Brothers!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 06, 2009, 10:06:14 PM
Thank you, Marcus of Ibelin. It was a weekend never to be forgotten.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 07, 2009, 05:10:34 AM
Apparently Brother William, you live in a prime location to link up with the "circle" of friends!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 07, 2009, 06:06:25 AM
That looks like a divine time!  The pictures are spectacular.  You all look incredible.   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 07, 2009, 07:19:34 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on October 07, 2009, 05:10:34 AM
Apparently Brother William, you live in a prime location to link up with the "circle" of friends!

Central Indiana "The crossroads of America"

Thank you brother Marcus and Sister Hatchet for the kind words
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 07, 2009, 01:09:06 PM
Yea, brother Marcus and his brother are closer in journey. Wish it were the same for me. Journeying across the desert to get there was at least uneventful. It was great I could meet up and continue the crusade with them. Bloody 5 hours... Next time you need to make it as well, Warrior Monk.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 09, 2009, 03:41:35 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 09, 2009, 04:51:30 AM
Now thats funny..

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 11, 2009, 06:28:37 PM
Consulting the "Rule"....

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Giving alms to the "demanding".....

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on October 12, 2009, 04:22:06 PM
I know i know, i need to repent...
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 13, 2009, 11:17:43 AM
A day of mourning & remembrance is upon us once again

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 13, 2009, 03:28:41 PM
I'm home!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 14, 2009, 07:51:28 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 15, 2009, 04:28:15 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/samp830fce1db50f48d8-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on October 15, 2009, 09:52:01 AM
This is a transcript of an editorial article in the newspaper here yesterday.  It has a bit of a link to the history we all love, and I wanted to share it all with you.

The Last Ottoman

What was the longest-lived Muslim empire?  The Ottoman Empire.
It lasted more than six centuries and, with the magisterial city of Istanbul (the former Constantinople) as its center, served as a key geopolitical factor affecting both East and West.
Historian James Belich writes that in addition to maintaining their hold on territories in the Middle East and North Africa, the Ottoman Turks carried out a thunderous conquest in the Balkans and thereby created "a 450,000 square mile Asian Empire in Europe."
Belich points to one of the dramatic high points in European history by noting that the Ottomans "besieged Vienna in 1683 and came so close to taking it that the Holy Roman emperor fled his capital."
Ottoman strength waned over the centuries, eventually earning the empire the title of the "sick man of Europe."  In the early 1920s, the imperial edifice collapsed amid the upheaval following World War I.  One result was the creation of Turkey.
Last month, the last Ottoman prince born under the old empire died at age 97 - in an apartment over a restaurant in New York City.  Comfortable in both Islamic and Western cultures, he had great praise for how Turkey has adapted itself to modern times.
Thus passed the "last Ottoman" - the 21st century's tenuous link to what once was a world-historical empire shaping the course of Middle Eastern and European development.  What curious twists the lives of empires, and the lives of individuals, can take.

I was surprised by this article.  We all have read about the Ottoman Turks, and probably have looked on it as something very old and in the distant past, but to learn its last true link only died this year, 2009, was amazing.  I did a little looking and found his name was Ertugrul Osman and he was a descendant of Osman I, the Anatolian ruler who in 1299 established the kingdom, and he was also the last surviving grandson of an Ottoman emperor; his grandfather, Abdul Hamid II, ruled from 1876 to 1909.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 15, 2009, 09:58:36 AM
Thanks for sharing brother Marcus. Most interesting indeed.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on October 15, 2009, 10:01:24 AM
Thank you Marcus of Ibelin for sharing this with us.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 15, 2009, 03:31:54 PM
Ok, this settles it. I believe I told you of this Sir Marcus.

(http://www.sirclisto.com/test/viking.jpg)

ENOUGH SAID!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 15, 2009, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: sir clisto on October 15, 2009, 03:31:54 PM
Ok, this settles it. I believe I told you of this Sir Marcus.

ENOUGH SAID!!!

M'lord.......I beg to differ...

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 15, 2009, 09:05:54 PM
New Book alert!

God's Battalions

http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780061582615/Gods_Battalions/index.aspx



Also......

My order of the book: Leper Knights: The Order of St Lazarus of Jerusalem in England, c.1150-1544  arrived while I was at the hospital with Lady LeFay.

http://www.amazon.com/Leper-Knights-Jerusalem-c-1150-1544-Medieval/dp/1843830671
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on October 16, 2009, 12:42:23 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 15, 2009, 09:58:36 AM
Thanks for sharing brother Marcus. Most interesting indeed.

Quote from: Lord Magnus on October 15, 2009, 10:01:24 AM
Thank you Marcus of Ibelin for sharing this with us.

Your welcome, my friends.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 18, 2009, 01:56:43 PM
Leper Knights (a quick review):

This is an interesting study of a Military Order of the Crusades that developed due to a sickness that was experienced with increased frequency in the Outremer.

It is believed that the first Master of this Order was a former Templar, who left his original Order to follow a higher calling, in support of the sick in the region.

The Order of Lazarus shared a lot of the Rules of both the Hospital and the Temple. The Templars had even acknowledged the increased frequency of the disease in the Rule. And as it was made clear to applicants of the Templar Order, should they be released for any reason from the Order, they would not return back to secular life, but be transferred to another religious Order. This definitely shows the Temple's military aspect and the lack of ability to care for very sick Brothers, as the Hospital had no such statute.

Leprosy as a whole was apparently viewed with much less fear in the Middle Ages (early) than most believe. It seems it was viewed as a touch from God and resembled "Purgatory" on Earth. Many of the Royal factions contributed to the Order of Lazarus during its' start, to include the father of Baldwin IV. Baldwin IV appears to not have been much assistance or focus of this new Order, even though he was himself a leper.

The Order of Lazarus actually adhered to two Rules; one for the untouched Brothers and then those that had contracted the illness. The author also makes a compelling case that the Brothers of the Lazarus Order may have been even more devout in battle than those of the Temple. Having been "touched" by God, and understanding their limited internment on Earth, they could freely devote them selves in body and spirit to the cause of the defense of the Holy Land.

Contrary to some web links on the internet, this Order didn't vanish after the Batle of Hattin in 1187. They did have a quarter in the city of Acre during the fall in 1291.

More to follow as I finish this book.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 18, 2009, 11:31:40 PM
Very Interesting.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 19, 2009, 11:26:39 PM
You know what to do Reynald

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(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/lips.jpg)(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/lips.jpg)(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/lips.jpg)
How about a couple more BIG guy?
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 20, 2009, 09:36:08 AM
 :o :o  :-\ :o :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 20, 2009, 08:31:34 PM
Apparently after the fall of the last Christian strongpoint in the Outremer, the Leper Knights fell back on the Western holdings to help them survive. It appears that Western Europe felt them a parasite to society. They didn't develop like the Hospitallers did, into a maritime authority fighting Turks and pirates, they didn't have the power and prestige that held up the Templars, and they didn't seek other lands to "convert" like the Teutonic Order.

Phillip IV was actually a strong supporter of the Leper Knights (probably to throw off suspicion).

After the 1500s, it looks like the Order disappeared, and shares much of the same "myths" of continued underground existence, that we see with the Templars, to include a Masonic connection. The Order or quasi manifestations of it were reinstated several times, and there developed branches of it much like we see in the Masonic world: York, Scottish, Prince Hall, but based off of georgraphical areas of support: Paris, Scotland, England, etc..

It should also be noted that originally the "Master Generals" were leprous, but after so many disasters (they didn't have any fights that resulted in victories according to the author), the Pope moved to have healthy Brothers elected to the position, to possibly circumvent the "self destructive" nature of God's chosen in the Warrior Monk profession. (Don't rush off to martyrdom so quickly)

As to the iconic image for the Leper Knights, there is still some debate as to the nature of their habit. The green "Couped Cross" on a white background, seems to stem from some artistic renditions, but there is also evidence of the Red on a white background (much like the Templars, who were their "sponsors" initially). This appears to be adopted after the dissolution of the Templar Order, and may also be used to differentiate the Brothers in England (St George had a great following their and it might have helped to generate revenue to support the Order with this social tie).They have also seen a greenish cross, or dirty white on a green background for some standards.

A Couped Cross is a cross that does not extend to the all of the edges of the flag or dress.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 21, 2009, 07:44:49 PM
What if.....?

(It may have looked like this if the Templars visited years before Columbus)

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 26, 2009, 02:05:04 PM
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2gsh0f7.jpg) "Say hello to our little friend!"

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/021.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 26, 2009, 04:26:30 PM
And who is this Teutonic Brother?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 26, 2009, 06:07:43 PM
I honestly can't remember, real nice guy too. We ran into him quite a few times yesterday at the Ohio faire.

(http://i36.tinypic.com/v664x3.jpg)

We also ran into a few more preparing to march under Urbans plea.

(http://i38.tinypic.com/9q92y8.jpg)

(http://i33.tinypic.com/5nlt3d.jpg)

GOD WILLS IT!!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 26, 2009, 06:36:46 PM
Just discovered this image

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We did manage to unite with fellow brethren Sir Samuel from Loveland castle. We are hoping to make a trip there in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 26, 2009, 07:16:09 PM
Outstanding photos Brother. I hope to contribute after this weekend's Crusade to the CRF.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 26, 2009, 07:24:34 PM
Wonderful images Brothers!  Such fine examples of the Order.

I am looking forward to many photo opportunities when Warrior Monk and his esteemed family join us in Carolina to celebrate Samhain in just a few nights.  We will do our best to return him to the Preceptory in one piece.  ;) :D

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 27, 2009, 01:57:14 AM
Fantastic pictures my brothers. Did Doctor Joe the knight show up this past weekend. Wish I could have been there.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 27, 2009, 08:07:33 AM
Unfortunately, Joe didn't make it along with several others we were hoping would of been there.  As of the Friday prior we actually didn't think we was going to go either. Then the night before we we decided to go for it.  We wished you could of been there as well M'Lord.  Come next year we will have to coincide our visits for sure. 

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 27, 2009, 08:16:15 AM
By chance has anyone seen this pic posted from the "Southern California Pleasure Faire" (http://i41.tinypic.com/10zvfnk.jpg)

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2b7ejt.jpg)
Photo: Irelandraven

To cool!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 27, 2009, 08:25:18 AM
very nice picture
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 27, 2009, 08:26:48 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 27, 2009, 09:23:07 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 27, 2009, 08:16:15 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/10zvfnk.jpg)

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2b7ejt.jpg)
Photo: Irelandraven

To cool!

I like how the apparent senior Brother of the group chose the Robert de Sable tunic and copper coif, to stand out from the Bretheren.

They have accomplished what I've hoped to accomplish, now I want to do it in bigger numbers!!  Deus vult!


BTW, does your Brother know of this last advertisement effort? :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 27, 2009, 09:44:40 AM
New Book Alert!

As you know this is the effort that helped make the Templars famous as they took charge of the army and got it to safety.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1846033543/ref=pe_606_13458300_pe_ar_t1


And just a side note:

A device no Warrior Monk should ever be without, in case you're giving baptism to a Saracen or something.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_water_sprinkler_(flail_weapon)#Holy_Water_Sprinkler

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 27, 2009, 10:58:06 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on October 27, 2009, 09:23:07 AM
I like how the apparent senior Brother of the group chose the Robert de Sable tunic and copper coif, to stand out from the Bretheren.

Absolutely, nicely done.  Along with his tankard he even carries a goblet or a "graaaail" perhaps??   Which is something I have recently added to my inventory as well  ;) :D


Quote from: Warrior Monk on October 27, 2009, 09:23:07 AM
BTW, does your Brother know of this last advertisement effort? :P

Oh yeah! He was the one that pointed out his "ShamWow eye" on the way home while reviewing the days images. I got a laugh out of it and had to follow up on it!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 27, 2009, 12:58:25 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 27, 2009, 10:58:06 AM
Along with his tankard he even carries a goblet or a "graaaail" perhaps??   Which is something I have recently added to my inventory as well  ;) :D


You're carrying a vessel off your belt now?  Is that sanctioned by DOBA?  Departing from the historically accurate into a bit of fantasy?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 27, 2009, 02:31:53 PM
Mother Confessor, you brought up an interesting point, so I thought I'd look into the facts here. Did folks carry cups(vessels..unless you were asking if he had a boat hanging from his belt) during the times of the Crusades.

Here is what I've found (and I'll be playing the Role of the Orders' Advocate as well)

Quotes from the book: People of the First Crusade:

Indeed, we suffered so badly from thirst that we sewed skins of oxen and buffaloes, and used them to carry water these six miles. We drank the water from these leather sacks, though it stank, and what with this foul water and coarse barley bread we distressed and afflicted every day.

The lack of water was a serious cause of weakness and disease, and Raymond of Aguilers gave another bleak pictured of the water starved army:

When the water did flow in the Pool of Siloam, so many hurried to drink there that men were trampled underfoot..................Many sick people collapsed by the spring, with swollen tongues unable to utter a word, only able to hold out their imploring hands for water.....A cup of foul water was sold for five or six valuable coins, and still thirst was not quenched.

Remember that this was all during the First Crusade 1095-1099. The Military Orders didn't really launch until  1120 and onward. So here goes:

They did develop a sort of "wine skin" as seen in the first paragraph. They also had cups during this time frame as witnessed by the 2nd Paragraph. I would think most likely it was carried close to the spot of the spring, seeing as conditions there had folks trampling each other to get at the liquid. I can't see someone walking away with a full skin and not getting bothered for it. Now, the folks who could protect their "take" (might makes right) probably sold the water at something close to what's now seen as a primitive lemonade stand in the Outremer.

With all this taken into consideration, I would figure the Warrior Monks, being the most experienced of all the Military might in the region, would have noted and learned from those hard earned lessons of the 1st Crusade. So would a Warrior Monk out in the field carry a cup to help quench his thirst during encounters with watering points of opportunity...hhhhhhhmmmmm...not beyond the realm of possible.

As for the Grail...well that's a well known secret, and it's stayed that way, because when they told someone, they had to kill em....thus perpetuating the secret............
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on October 27, 2009, 05:44:54 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 27, 2009, 08:07:33 AM
Unfortunately, Joe didn't make it along with several others we were hoping would of been there.  As of the Friday prior we actually didn't think we was going to go either. Then the night before we we decided to go for it.  We wished you could of been there as well M'Lord.  Come next year we will have to coincide our visits for sure. 


Yeah I couldnt make it either... I ended up having to work Saturday but was off Friday and Sunday.. ( wtf..  >:( )
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on October 27, 2009, 05:55:19 PM
Greetings Warrior Monk,

I recieved your message today and will be honored to attend your thread.

I am a Knight Commander in the Knights of Jerusalem. I am currently on a quest from my King. I am protector and escort to the Princess Emma of Fayetteville. My home Faire is the Great Lakes Medieval Faire in Ohio. The Princess ( my daughter) is 9 years old and is also known to be a Fairy Princess ( from her Mom's side). Being a man trained in the art of war, there are many things I do not understand about the fae, but I have taken the sacred oath Of the people...For the people! I will Protect the weak, defenseless, helpless and fight for the general welfare of all and my King. I work for the love of work and strive for nothing short of perfection in my quest. I respect all orders of Knights and have fought beside many.

I wish thee and all fellow brother Knights well on this day.

Sir Michael of Mentor
Knight Commander & Escort to Princess Emma.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on October 27, 2009, 06:38:56 PM
Latest Book Im reading is called "Crusade Against the Grail" The Struggle between the Cathars, Templars and the Church of Rome.
The first English translation of the book that reveals the Cathar stronghold at Montségur to be the repository of the Holy Grail

• Presents the history of the Papal persecution of the Cathars that lies hidden in the medieval epic Parzival and in the poetry of the troubadours

• Provides new insights into the life and death of this gifted and controversial author

"Crusade Against the Grail is the daring book that popularized the legend of the Cathars and the Holy Grail. The first edition appeared in Germany in 1933 and drew upon Rahn's account of his explorations of the Pyrenean caves where the heretical Cathars sect sought refuge during the 13th century. Over the years the book has been translated into many languages and exerted a large influence on such authors as Trevor Ravenscroft and Jean-Michel Angebert, but it has never appeared in English until now.

Much as German archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann used Homer's Iliad to locate ancient Troy, Rahn believed that Wolfram von Eschenbach's medieval epic Parzival held the keys to the mysteries of the Cathars and the secret location of the Holy Grail. Rahn saw Parzival not as a work of fiction, but as a historical account of the Cathars and the Knights Templar and their guardianship of the Grail, a "stone from the stars." The Crusade that the Vatican led against the Cathars became a war pitting Roma (Rome) against Amor (love), in which the Church triumphed with flame and sword over the pure faith of the Cathars."

http://www.amazon.com/Crusade-Against-Grail-Struggle-Templars/dp/1594771359/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256686306&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Crusade-Against-Grail-Struggle-Templars/dp/1594771359/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256686306&sr=1-1)


Havent finished as yet, however the book is very interesting. Rahn's style of writing is similar to Tolkien in that he is over descriptive of many things. But the book is very informative and I must say an interesting read considering he was an SS agent during WWII.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 27, 2009, 06:56:11 PM
Interesting Lord Magnus (Master of Turcopoles  ;) ) the last books I read on the Cathars was: A Most Holy War and The Albigensian Crusade.

http://www.amazon.com/Most-Holy-War-Albigensian-Christendom/dp/0195171314

http://www.amazon.com/Albigensian-Crusade-Jonathan-Sumption/dp/0571200028/ref=sr_1_1/181-4277946-6969445?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256687651&sr=1-1

SirMichael, do you perhaps have a rendition or visual likeness of your persona that you would share?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 27, 2009, 07:18:56 PM
Purchase Alert!

No Preceptory or Outremer fortress is complete without the following utensil to write and sign assignment orders, Papal Bulls, or an every now and again excommunication writ!

http://www.designtoscano.com/product/code/CL43712.do?code=PDINCLUDE&code=DTFROOGLE#
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 28, 2009, 03:47:17 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 27, 2009, 12:58:25 PM
You're carrying a vessel off your belt now?  Is that sanctioned by DOBA?  Departing from the historically accurate into a bit of fantasy?

Historically accurate for me at faire is along time coming.  It is gods will that it be all fun & games!

Quote from: Lord Magnus on October 27, 2009, 05:44:54 PM
Yeah I couldnt make it either... I ended up having to work Saturday but was off Friday and Sunday.. ( wtf..  >:( )

Did you get my PM? I thought for sure you was going to be there.   I told my sir Josef well just surprise him and you was a no-show as well...dang it! Some of the Outlanders told me they have been messing with your schedule really good at work, sorry to hear that brother.  Anyways, the castle gathering is in a few weeks?!?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 28, 2009, 04:00:01 AM
Greetings Sir Michael!

One can relate to your responsibilities. I too have provided escort to a fae princess known as "Sarah of McCordia" for several years running. It has and continues to be one of my most highly prized services. Welcome aboard my fellow brethren!

Pax Vobiscum

SWM
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 28, 2009, 10:54:25 AM
Interesting reading on the drinking methods of the Crusades, Warrior Monk....and I was referring to the goblet.  The chalice a pleasing addition to the brave Knight ensemble, appropriately symbolizing the powerful divine feminine through which all life is created.

Brother Marcus, I do believe you have uttered the first hallowed rule that you and I are in total agreement with; fun & games indeed!  ;D ;)

Welcome Sir Michael.  You are in good company as all the Warrior Monks on this thread, despite their vows as Poor Knights of Christ, are completely devoted to younger fae females.  

....and please let me know if you require a confession.  
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 28, 2009, 11:25:52 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 28, 2009, 10:54:25 AM
It is a pleasing  addition to the brave Knight ensemble, appropriately symbolizing the powerful divine feminine through which all life is created.
 

Dang couldn't see that one coming.........
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on October 28, 2009, 12:22:29 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on October 28, 2009, 11:25:52 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on October 28, 2009, 10:54:25 AM
It is a pleasing  addition to the brave Knight ensemble, appropriately symbolizing the powerful divine feminine through which all life is created.
 

Dang couldn't see that one coming.........

is warrior monk getting soft usually you anticipate these things
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 28, 2009, 12:41:04 PM
My appologies Sister ASHley, I normally would have as you have pointed out, but today....

(http://i34.tinypic.com/2a5x2ex.jpg)

....mine got in the way..... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 28, 2009, 04:12:12 PM
Hairball??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 28, 2009, 04:22:39 PM
Y chromosome. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on October 28, 2009, 06:10:37 PM
Warrior Monk,

Can thee be of assistance to me? I have some jpg pictures how do I upload them to this board?

I hope all have had a good day...as God Wills It!

Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 28, 2009, 06:16:08 PM
Sir Michael

Open a free photobucket account. http://photobucket.com/ (http://photobucket.com/)

From there you can paste the IMG code into the message box while your composing on the forums.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 28, 2009, 06:20:29 PM
As Mother Confessor/Sister Hatchet/ Femme Falchion (a Lady of many Titles, but no Masters) has pointed out, a free Photobucket account can help, or use Tinypics.com. Once you have your image loaded in either format, take the [IMG] code you'll see and post it in the forum like you were tying.

Hope this helps, look forward to reviewing the images.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on October 28, 2009, 09:04:57 PM
WM, sometimes you say the sweetest things.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on October 28, 2009, 09:58:42 PM
Greetings,

Femme Falchion, many thanks for your help. I have made an account on photobucket. I need to figure out how to upload, but I will do that this weekend. Warrior Monk, I thank thee as well.

I was reading on the crusades and found a prayer to Saint Francis. I think it fits us well.

To serve thee as thou deservest,
To give and not count the cost,
to fight and not heed the wounds,
to labor and not ask for reward,
God wills it

I am a humble Knight on my quest, but as I go on my journey I meet people like you who make the good even better. I thank thee all for your friendship and look forward to being a part of your group. Every time, I look into my daughters eyes and see the look she gets when she is at GLMF (faire), she truely believes in the Fae and all around her. She is amazed. Sometimes it is through the eyes of a child that we see the real truth.

Well, good night to thee all and I wish you all a good morrow.

Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 30, 2009, 01:00:52 PM
SirMichael or (Frere Michael)

We look forward to seeing the representations of your efforts to escort the Princess and represent your Order.

Now I must depart to pack the wagon and make the pilgrimage to the Kingdom of Fairhaven.

Pax vobiscum all.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 30, 2009, 04:51:18 PM
Safe travels my brother

(http://i41.tinypic.com/24q1h7a.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on October 30, 2009, 10:05:59 PM
Warrior Monk,

May thee have a safe journey with fair weather and the sun always on your back.

Sir Michael


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on October 31, 2009, 11:05:54 AM
Here is one for your guys. I took this during the closing weekend of Bristol. I call it " Knightly Conversations".

(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af206/ormus1/clw14of604.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 01, 2009, 07:35:33 AM
Wonderful Lord Magnus.

BTW, nice avatar Frere William.....it's you. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 03, 2009, 01:15:49 AM
I wish I could have made it for the last weekend. My season is now over unless something crops up this month that I can make. By the way Sir Marcus, I have been trying to get the woman with the pictures yet. Actually both of them. The one father daughter team she said she was sick and would get to me later. Want to see their pics and get them for us.

So, Warrior Monk, where are you off to now?

Lord Clisto, Duke of York,
Knight of the Holy Blade of York
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 03, 2009, 10:50:33 AM
Quote from: sir clisto on November 03, 2009, 01:15:49 AM

So, Warrior Monk, where are you off to now?

Lord Clisto, Duke of York,
Knight of the Holy Blade of York

Lord Clisto, it was my hopes to attend the Mobile Renfest with King Allyn the Only reigning supreme. This may have to be cancelled due to an unexpected failure of a part to my Crusader wagon whilst returning from the Carolina Renfest this last weekend. The sum demanded dented heavily, this Templar's purse.
I can only think the cause some sort of lingering spell or inchantment left by pagan fae from the region.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 03, 2009, 11:34:48 AM
ill be in mobile
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 03, 2009, 11:50:01 AM
Just some interesting stuff: see how long it took these guys.

http://www.pilgrimstales.com/whatistemplartrail.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 03, 2009, 01:39:15 PM
Wow..167 days vs 4 years
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 03, 2009, 11:00:53 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on November 03, 2009, 10:50:33 AM
Quote from: sir clisto on November 03, 2009, 01:15:49 AM

So, Warrior Monk, where are you off to now?

Lord Clisto, Duke of York,
Knight of the Holy Blade of York

Lord Clisto, it was my hopes to attend the Mobile Renfest with King Allyn the Only reigning supreme. This may have to be cancelled due to an unexpected failure of a part to my Crusader wagon whilst returning from the Carolina Renfest this last weekend. The sum demanded dented heavily, this Templar's purse.
I can only think the cause some sort of lingering spell or inchantment left by pagan fae from the region.....


People must tithe more so you can get it fixed.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 04, 2009, 05:12:52 AM
Quote from: sir clisto on November 03, 2009, 11:00:53 PM

People must tithe more so you can get it fixed.

I don't disagree with this assesment, it is after all for the salavation of their souls.... :P

Actually at this time, it looks as if the manufacturer of the Crusader wagon is going to reimburse my unexpected expenditure. (prayers said, finger crossed)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 04, 2009, 10:53:48 PM
GOD WILLS IT!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 05, 2009, 12:57:58 AM
God Wills It!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 05, 2009, 12:44:06 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on November 03, 2009, 10:50:33 AM
I can only think the cause some sort of lingering spell or inchantment left by pagan fae from the region.....


I believe that this may be what Warrior Monk is referring to....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_3085.jpg)


because after his "confession" and a blessing, he eventually did make it safely home.

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/Faire/IMG_3093.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 06, 2009, 09:21:06 PM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 05, 2009, 12:44:06 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on November 03, 2009, 10:50:33 AM
I can only think the cause some sort of lingering spell or inchantment left by pagan fae from the region.....

because after his "confession" and a blessing, he eventually did make it safely home.



I can still feel the "burn"....... :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on November 07, 2009, 06:23:35 PM
Greetings Warrior Monk,

I have asked the Princess Emma of Fayetteville, a fairy princess, to work her magic on your crusader wagon and thee as well. Hopefully, the evil from the other fae can be gotten rid of for you.

I am still trying to work with photobucket. It is most difficult. I will get a pic for thee as soon as possible.

It has been a very busy work for me at work. I hope to get back to my regular schedule next week.

I hope all is well with our brothers....


Sir Michael of Mentor

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 07, 2009, 06:25:39 PM
Really looks like a tough job. LOL.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 07, 2009, 09:23:12 PM
Had the pleasure of spending time with a real man of the cloth today (really).  He actually left his place in the pub line to garner a confession from me (obviously he was not aware of my position!  ;))  In case you can't read the sign clearly it says

Indulgences Sold Cheap

Mortal Sins-$5
Venal Sins-$1

Sins committed by merrye winches with one of us-
PRICELESS!

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_3112.jpg)

Shortly after catching this image, CRF staffers confiscated the sign because people were trying to give the priest money and he had no vendor license.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 08, 2009, 09:43:11 PM

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_3112.jpg)


Like your head piece in this image my sister.  Is it new by chance?  

(http://i34.tinypic.com/2a7snxz.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 10, 2009, 06:22:02 PM
Why yes it is Brother William.  Thank you for noticing.  Warrior Monk is assisting me in developing a history for my new Mongol Princess/Nomadic Priestess faire character.  The great grand daughter of Temuchin, you know.   ;) :)

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_3117_2.jpg)


Actually, it is a generous gift from M'lord.  I've been trying this hat on for about the last 4yrs at CRF.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on November 10, 2009, 06:51:32 PM
Yawn...ooohhh...(smoke trails behind as the Green Monk stretches his old bones) where have I been...these surroundings have a haunting air & feel...ah yes a kind and familiar face...

An appropriate hat for someone of your accomplishment & prowess, Sister!

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin (and all who grace this thread)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 11, 2009, 03:01:32 AM
Quote from: Femme Falchion on November 10, 2009, 06:22:02 PM
Warrior Monk is assisting me in developing a history for my new Mongol Princess/Nomadic Priestess faire character. 

ROFL!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on November 11, 2009, 04:38:20 AM
Don't know if this fits here but anyways: I went on a plane trip out East (I'm in Minnesotaaaaa). The guy next to me gave me a nice compliment of my Templar ring I was wearing and we spent nearly two hours talking about ren fests, the Templars, Crusades, swords and such. It was very cool to keep entertained on a flight with someone I didn't even know. He said he was going to go search on line for a ring like it and get one.

Sleepy
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 11, 2009, 05:25:03 AM
This is always good news! Now you can see how you represent the Order in contemporary times. He'll always associate your exchange with someone "connected" with the Templars. (you may have found a future recruit) Well done Brother!!


As for Sister Hatchet, she was part of a Mongol delegation who met with Edward I. She's just this side of converting to
Christianity" to support the West's efforts in the Outremer.........aren't ya Princess?   lol!!!!!! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 11, 2009, 06:49:50 AM
Whatever you say, your Eminence.  ;)

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/mongols.jpg)


and thank you Frere Vert.   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on November 11, 2009, 05:58:39 PM
Greetings All,

Femme Falchion, your head cover is great and very fitting for a mongol princess.


Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on November 11, 2009, 08:23:12 PM
Esteemed Brothers & thread followers;

I am honored to be of service to present;

Sir Michael of Mentor, Knight Commander & Escort to the fae Princess Emma

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/P7060014.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on November 12, 2009, 06:27:19 AM
Greetings noble knights, FF and ladies of the thread! During the course of my self banishment & searching, yours truely spied this curious spectre. ::) Some believe it is the death mask of Guy  :o, others the effects of excessive daliance at a local burger establishment :-[. Regardless here it is, as promised ages ago. Any opinions, Warrior Monk, FF, Sir William, Lord Clisto, anyone ??? ;D It is a haunting image and somewhat disturbing. :-\

(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/monkogreen/BristolRenFaire2009Week7018-1.jpg)

All the Blessings!

RdG
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 12, 2009, 10:49:03 AM
Greetings once again Sir Michael and fae Princess Emma!

I see one has been assisted by Mother Confessor in providing an image (Thank you Mother Confessor). Do not give up Sir Michael on your battle with Photobucket. Your difficulties can only be contributed to trickery put forth from demons. Once these cowardly demons are defeated your power to produce images will be second to none. Do not allow them to be victorious.. Let victory be yours! God wills it!!

Quote from: Richard de Graeme on November 12, 2009, 06:27:19 AM
the death mask of Guy 

Mask of Guy?? A mask you say??  Oh no my pagan friend its none other ole Raynald of Châtillon!  ;) ;D

(http://i33.tinypic.com/20k56b7.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on November 12, 2009, 10:52:19 AM
Greetings and Well met one and all,
I am fairly new to this thread yet not too unknown to all. Yet as I am new to this thread I will introduce myself to those who do not know me. I am Sir Samuel of The Knights of the Golden Trail. Proud owners of Chateau La Roche aka Historic Loveland Castle. if interested you can go to http://lovelandcastle.com If you would allow me to chime in on this thread from time to time I will most certainlly get to know all who grace this forum. So being that said, and if I may place an opinion on the afformentioned question, Yes I do believe that to be an interesting yet frightning view to take in all at once.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 12, 2009, 11:36:13 AM
Welcome aboard! Alas Sir Samuel has arrived!   I thank you my brother for honoring my request in such good time. I can only hope the slight illness you acquired is all in passing.

Brothers and sisters of the thread.

Myself and Sir Josef had the privilege of meeting Sir Samuel for the first time representing the order of St. John at ORF this Fall.  Before the new moon would rise again we were reacquainted at Chateau La Roche for day of socializing, drinking, feasting and 'did I mention drinking?'  ;) ;D  

He is a good man with good character & qualities and deemed it necessary that he should join us here when his time allows.


(http://i34.tinypic.com/sc5c2g.jpg)
Sir Josef, Sir Samuel, Sir William representing atop Chateau La Roche aka Loveland Castle
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 12, 2009, 11:58:38 AM
Well this is great news indeed! Greetings Sir (Frere) Samuel, and huzzah! As the size of the company of pilgrims on this thread grows so does our quality and reputation with the addition of one such as yourself. Brothers William and Josef are members of the utmost standing within our small but ever expanding community of Warrior Monks.

Please feel free to drop in and contribute any time. Feel free to share the images of your Hospitaller persona, and maybe share the story behind your choosing of such an image.

A general Chapter session will probably be held to vote on your "acceptance" which is usually accompanied by the issuing of an Order specific certificate of membership. We don't have ostentatious Ren pins or the like. We keep it simple within the cyber walls of this thread.

Again welcome, well done, and as I have seen, hope you're feeling better.

Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 12, 2009, 12:00:02 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on November 12, 2009, 10:49:03 AM
(http://i33.tinypic.com/20k56b7.jpg)

From some new sources, ole Raynald of Châtillon may not be as bad as we'd like to lable him, although he had his faults. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on November 12, 2009, 12:47:02 PM
Must be a likeness from his younger headier days or perhaps after usage of the formula of the Greeks. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 12, 2009, 12:51:31 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on November 12, 2009, 12:00:02 PM
From some new sources, ole Raynald of Châtillon may not be as bad as we'd like to lable him

One must tell me or where one can acquire these new sources?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on November 12, 2009, 03:29:41 PM
Greetings again my esteemed friends,
A Special Thank You to Sir William for such an introduction. I will start by saying I am feeling much better today. I too take this as an Honor to be welcomed by those of this thread, as I have also began placing My history on one of the other website forums at modern chivalry http://modernchivalry.org/knights/view/Sir%20Samuel
I will continue more on that later as time allows. If I were to Place all my history here it would take a while to read. SO unless you plan to print it off and read as you....well you know.... Ok so I will keep it simple. I take upon myself the Persona of a Knight of St. John due to the fact well My Sire was a Knight of St. John and my now Senechal is a Templar. Tho I have kept to my sires ways and follow the Hospitilar way.  I am also currently working on my degrees of Freemasonry under the order of St. Johns of Jeruselum. SO to that I will place a photo if I can here to see. Other than the one my Brother Sir William has placed below.
(http://modernchivalry.org/knightdata/79/photo1257931685-0004-big.jpg)
I again look forward to getting time to meet all and hope to be of service to any that may need whatever it is I could offer.
Fair thee well one and all.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on November 12, 2009, 05:59:22 PM
Greetings my Brothers and Sisters!

I am eternally grateful to The Confessor/Mongal Princess Femme Falchion to get my image and my Princess Emma's on the board.

My home faire is the Great Lakes Medieval Faire, in Geneva Ohio. I have been going for several years. The Princess was only 3 when she first started to attend. She is 9 now. It is one thing which we both do. I am divorced and live in Mentor, OH and Emma is with my Ex at Ft. Bragg in Fayetteville NC. I get Emma for a week at X-mas, Easter and 7 weeks in the summer. The GLMF is usually staring on the weekend after 4th of July. When Emma was 6, she told me that a Princess needs a knight, so I created Sir Michael to escort her.

Some more info on me. I chose the Jerusalem Knights since they were the police of the city of Jerusalem. I am a retired Major in the Army Reserves and my branch was Military Police. I held many commands so I chose a Knight Commander. I currently am the Deputy Chief of a Police Department in Ohio. So I found it fitting to chose that order since I am a war monger at heart anyways. I sort of adapted my credo Of the People...for the People, because the MP motto is Of the Troops...for the Troops. I have studied much about the civil war and other current wars but I am now focusing on the cursades.

I think you all are so nice and I am thrilled to be a part of your board when Warrior Monk asked me to join it. Be it known, that I stand ready to come to the aid of any of our fellow knights should they require help.

Sir Marcus, Thank Thee for they words of wisdom. I will not give up on my quest to use photo bucket. After all, God wills it!!!!!

To the rest of my Brothers....Have a great day morrow.

Mother Confessor, once again many Thanks. You truly are royal!!!!



Sir Michael



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 12, 2009, 07:14:35 PM
Brother(Frere)Michael,

Wonderful to see your presentation as one of the Knights of Jerusalem. Although technically not a Military Order (Knights of Jerusalem) of the Crusading period, I believe we can assist you in representing the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, a prestigious chivalric order of Knighthood that traces its roots to Duke Godfrey of Bouillon, principal leader of the First Crusade. And sharing much the same emblem you wear proudly in your photo.

The Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem can trace its origins to Godfrey de Bouillon of the first Crusade, who gathered around him a group of knights who were entrusted with the protection of the religious Chapter of Canons who were present at the Holy Sepulchre of Christ. For twenty years, these knights, and those who came to join their number, protected the Christian presence at the Holy Sepulchre, taking as their banner the red Jerusalem cross popularized by the crusading knights. By 1113, Pope Paschal II officially recognized their existence and purpose. It was not until 1122 that Pope Callistus II issued a bulla establishing them as a lay religious community with specific responsibilities of guarding the Basilica of the Holy Sepulchre and the city of Jerusalem in defense of Christianity against Muslim attack.

The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem was established, and the knights of the Holy Sepulchre played an integral role in advancing peace in the territory. The Muslim attacks, however, did not cease, and defense of the Basilica of the Holy Sepulchre—which was built by the earliest knights of the Order and still stands today, covering both the site of the crucifixion of Christ and His burial place—became impossible.

The earliest band of knights fled to the city of Acre, to the fortress of St. John, where they were received by other groups of besieged crusaders. They remained there from 1245 until the great fortress fell to the Muslims in 1291, ending the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem. A diaspora ("a scattering of seeds" is any movement of a population sharing common ethnic identity) then took place among the Christians in Palestine. Many of the knights of the Holy Sepulchre remained in the Mediterranean basin; others fled as far as France and Spain. The works of the Order continued as far away as Poland, where knights had settled and later their descendants continued in the spirit of the defense of Christianity.

The activity of the Order, indeed its identity, in Palestine shifted from the knights, who returned to their own countries, to the religious Order of Friars Minor, which had custody of the monastery of Mt. Zion. This group of Franciscans preserved the mission of the crusading knights of the Holy Sepulchre, mindful of the original bulla of appointment that entrusted the basilica, as well as the faithful, to the Order's protection.

In 1330, Pope John XXII named the prior of the Franciscan house Custodian of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre. The custodian served as deputy to the pontiff, who reserved unto himself the governing authority of the Order, and yet, the custodians, in all effect, were responsible for all aspects of the Order's growth and governance, including the calling, of new knights.



In 1489, Pope Innocent VIII desired to suppress the Order and decreed that it was to be merged with the Order of St. John (Malta). For seven years, the two lived all uneasy, yet peaceful, union. In 1496, Innocent's successor, Pope Alexander VI, recognized the folly of this uneasy merger and restored the Holy Sepulchre to independent status. Alexander VI decreed that the Order of the Holy Sepulchre would no longer be governed by the office of custodian and further decreed that the senior post of the Order would henceforth be raised to the rank of Grand Master, reserving this title for himself and his successors of the See of Peter.

The darkest period of the Order's history began shortly after the pontificate of Alexander VI, when little is recorded of its work or activity. Throughout this prolonged era, with the blessing of the Holy See, the Franciscans of the Holy Land continued to welcome into the Order, under the emblem of the red Jerusalem cross, men of great faith and strength of character always willing to defend the faith, even to the shedding of their blood, and to death when necessary.


I see that you're a veteran too, so you are doubly welcome from my state in the Outremer, as I am a retired Infantryman, now in the employ of my former family as a CIED specialist. As you might have noticed, the majority of the Brothers on this thread all hold the responsibility of escorting a Princess in their lives, and we wouldn't have it any other way.

Sister Hatchet, Mother Confessor to the Central Asian Nomadic Hordes appears to have you well taken care of in the photo arena. Please feel free to share more as time progresses.

That should be enough input for me tonight. Pax vobiscum.

Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomini Tuo Da Gloriam.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 12, 2009, 08:02:30 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on November 12, 2009, 12:51:31 PM
One must tell me or where one can acquire these new sources?

Excuse me Brother, I was thinking of the wrong man for some reason. I had de Ridefort in mind, when I read this, thus the following support:

Most of the contemporary accounts of the era between the Springs of Cresson and the Battle of Hattin were written from folks with ties to the Balian court. These folks would have had plenty of reason to "make light" of the failures of De Ridefort, due to the friction between the participating factions and the future leadership of the Kingdom of Jerusalem.
No enter an account written by an English knight in the year of 1191, four short years after the events in question.

The Itinerarium Regis Richadri, that contradicts the "legend" of Gerard rushing headlong into the enemy. It reports that the Templars were caught by surprise and fell victim to a Muslim attack at Cresson. This could explain why he and a few others made it out after the fight.....


Although in Reynald's case, keeping with the concept of routing or destroying Islamic/Muslim control over the Holy Land, you can say put put forth 110%. Especially with the sacking of the Holy Cities.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 12, 2009, 08:26:54 PM
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May 2010

Just a little visual as to what is coming!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 13, 2009, 05:13:28 AM
Now that's a different look for Robin Hood!

And what is that!? A "Narnia" type helm?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on November 13, 2009, 07:21:50 AM
Greetings to all,
I would have to agree there seems to be a constant flow of us military in this group. I am a retired 1st sgt with the USMC. I was in the 2nd marine 2nd recon batallion 3rd div as a team leader. my job mainly consisted of search and destroy. Hmmmm you think thats why I am so interested in warring and protecting my homeland and those that reside in it? I never seem to be amazed of the quality of people our Military branches place back into society. And yet we seem to all still hold true to our beliefs and continue to uphold those beliefs no matter what situation we are in. I salute you all who have pledged your lives to the protection of our people and to all those oppressed the world over.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 13, 2009, 08:14:51 AM
Frere Samuel,

Thank you for your service as well. You knew Gunny Highway....lol! ;) :P
I spent time throughout the gambit of "Gun Fighters" from 2d Ranger Bn, 82d ABN, 1st Inf & 1st Armored Divs. Wouldn't change anything if I had to do it again.

"Hmmmm you think thats why I am so interested in warring and protecting my homeland and those that reside in it? I never seem to be amazed of the quality of people our Military branches place back into society. And yet we seem to all still hold true to our beliefs and continue to uphold those beliefs no matter what situation we are in. I salute you all who have pledged your lives to the protection of our people and to all those oppressed the world over."

Some things don't change, it's in our blood. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 13, 2009, 12:13:32 PM
Find out your Crusading Role Model!!!

Do not scroll down until you are finished. You will be amazed!

   

Who is your Crusading Role Model. Don't scroll down yet. Do the math below, Then scroll down to find your Hero.

It's CRAZY how accurate this is!    No peeking!
   
   
1) Pick your favorite number between 1-9
2) Multiply by 3 then
3) Add 3
4) Then again Multiply by 3 (We'll wait while you get the calculator....)
5) You'll get a 2 or 3 digit number....
6) Add the digits together
   




Now Scroll down

   

   

   
   .................

   


















   
With that number, see who your ROLE MODEL is from the list below:
1. Richard the Lionheart
2. Guy of Lusignan
3. Hugh de Payens
4. King Baldwin IV  
5. Bohemond
6. Frederic Barbarossa
7. Gerard de Ridefort
8. Saladin
9. Raynald of Châtillon

   

I know, I know....He just has that effect on people. One day, you too can be like him. Why are you crying???

P.S. Stop picking different numbers!!! HE IS YOUR IDOL ... JUST DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 13, 2009, 01:50:20 PM
MINE WAS SPOT ON!!! I LOVE REYNALD, and brenden glesson ,but what movie is that with russel crowe???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 13, 2009, 01:55:53 PM
Trickery it is!


Quote from: Templar Jesse on November 13, 2009, 01:50:20 PM
what movie is that with russel crowe???

Robin Hood, to be released in May 2010
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 13, 2009, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on November 13, 2009, 01:55:53 PM
Trickery it is!

From this reply, I can only assume that you ended up on #9...... ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 13, 2009, 02:14:11 PM
OH I CANT WAIT!!!! finally my frend will be able to dawn his armor b the time that movie is out!!! This is a good excuse for me to ge back into the swing of things!!! To tell you the truth, if it wouldnt had been to hard to find a MR double wrap belt from KOH, i mite not have given up on the Templar ....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 13, 2009, 02:24:32 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on November 13, 2009, 02:14:11 PM
To tell you the truth, if it wouldnt had been to hard to find a MR double wrap belt from KOH, i mite not have given up on the Templar ....

I take this as an admission of his recanting of faith......... ??? :o :'(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 13, 2009, 02:41:20 PM
I did also lose my faith...but not my love of history, for i am a history major..
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 13, 2009, 02:54:33 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on November 13, 2009, 02:41:20 PM
I did also lose my faith...but not my love of history, for i am a history major..

And who said they didn't play baseball in the Middle Ages.....cause you're batting a thousand right now!!! ;D

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 13, 2009, 04:53:32 PM
I don't understand ahah, its just everything Ive studied, and learned, points to, well nothing happening ahha. So i used to have great hopes in historians discovering something about the Templars, that proved in god...and one day being one of them, maybe. But it's not looking well haha.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on November 13, 2009, 06:08:27 PM
GREETINGS ALL,
Templar Jesse, Give up not the good fight to find the True Templar in you. It is there with vigor. Just let it flow from within. and alas!!! Sir William I have recieved as a birthday gift from one of our newest Neophytes, a double wrap belt suitable for my Hospitillars Clothing now I seek myself a newer Sword and Dirk. OOOOHHHH how I love to buy me things..... ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on November 13, 2009, 06:28:28 PM
Greetings Brothers & Sisters,


A special welcome to Sir Samuel and Semper Fi Devil Dog. I served in the US Army but carry the devil dog on my arm as a tattoo. I was on TDY at Bragg, when I got married. My Father in Law was a retired Sgt. Major. after the bachelor party which we drank a whole battle jug of that sojo rice whiskey, he had just came back from Camp Casey where he worked for DoD after retiring from the corp. I awoke with a patch and pain on my arm. Behold when I lifted the patch it was the devil dog, but on his belt buckle it said MP not USMC. My father in law had a good laugh on me. I still feel a pride in having it on my arm.

To Warrior Monk, a new saying  Qui Audet Adipiscitur!

Wishing all a great weekend


Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 13, 2009, 08:39:48 PM
Quote from: SirMichael on November 13, 2009, 06:28:28 PM
  Qui Audet Adipiscitur!


You could say that the Crusaders of the past made that true before the 22d SAS took it, or you might say "He who has faith, wins". ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 13, 2009, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on November 13, 2009, 02:54:33 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on November 13, 2009, 02:41:20 PM
I did also lose my faith...but not my love of history, for i am a history major..

And who said they didn't play baseball in the Middle Ages.....cause you're batting a thousand right now!!! ;D

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And, just look at all the heads that were batted about with maces, clubs and flails. The only difference is they don't run the bases. LOL..

Lord Clisto, Knight of the Holy Blade of York,
Duke of York
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on November 14, 2009, 09:42:51 AM
A fine Thanks to you Sir Michael, and if I may congradulations on your aquired arm patch, He must have felt good enough about you to have given you such a fine piece of art to forever carry on your person.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 14, 2009, 02:22:06 PM
So i just watched my DC KOH for the first time in a year last nite, haha. I miss it
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on November 14, 2009, 08:29:36 PM
funny enough that movie started it all for me as far as garb. I walked into a costume shop in town that is a deale for museum replicas and they had a pic of orlando bloom dressed to the hilt and I told them that is what I wanted and that is what I got. I have all the tunics from the movie except for the Hospitallers. I could watch that movie every day.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 15, 2009, 02:22:35 PM
The following was a discrepancy that I noted in the book: God's Battalions. On page 169 in the chapter labeled: The Crusader Kingdoms, the author mentions that the Norwegian King Magnus Barefoot came to the Outremer and supported King Baldwin I. The Norwegian in question he is probably referring to is Sigurd I Magnusson or Sigurd Jorsalfare (Jerusalem-farer) or one of Magnus' sons.


Reference:

Magnus Barefoot, son of Olaf Kyrre and grandson of Harald Hardrada, was King of Norway from 1093 until 1103 and King of Mann and the Isles from 1099 until 1102. The epithet "barefoot" is commonly understood to come from his habit of wearing Gaelic-style clothing, leaving lower legs bare. According to another theory, he got the nickname because he was forced to flee from an attack in his barefeet.

Magnus made war with Sweden and Denmark and sought to build a Norwegian empire around the Irish Sea. In 1093 Magnus Barefoot led a Norse fleet from Mann to Ynys Môn, Gwynedd, and appeared off of the coast at Ynys Seiriol (Puffin Island), interrupting a Norman victory celebration after they had recently defeated the Welsh of Gwynedd. In the battle that followed between the Norman occupiers and the Norse, known as the Battle of Anglesey Sound, Magnus shot dead the earl of Shrewsbury with an arrow to the eye. In 1098, he conquered the Orkney Islands, the Hebrides and the Isle of Man. Magnus returned to Norway in 1099 but in 1102 set out again, this time to conquer Ireland. He captured Dublin and the surrounding area.

After the success in capturing Dublin, Magnus turned his attentions to the north. In the following year, 1103, he moved towards Ulster along with his new Irish ally, the powerful self proclaimed King of Ireland, Muirchertach Ua Briain, whose daughter had married Magnus's son, Sigurd I Magnusson. The Irish forces opposed to him were defeated in several battles and Magnus's army overran a large part of Ulster. Muirchertach Ua Briain now left with his army to go to Connaught. Magnus decided now to return to Norway, while leaving a portion of his forces to hold Dublin and its surrounding lands. He sent message with a small group of his men to Muirchertach Ua Briain to send provisions for the sea journey ahead of him. Whilst awaiting these supplies, they saw a large dust cloud on the horizon. Unsure as to whether this was an enemy force or the overdue supplies from Connaught, King Magnus advanced through a marshy area to observe the approach. It was discovered that it was indeed the men with the supplies they were awaiting, satisfied at this, Magnus ordered his men back to the camp area to get prepared for the embarkation.
It was at this point that a large Irish force reared out from their hiding places in the marsh, putting into action an ambush that had been stalking the Viking army for some time. The Viking forces being taken by surprise were not in battle order and Magnus attempted to assert control over his disordered army, ordering a portion of his force to seize the high ground and provide archer fire to slow down the Irish. In the ensuing melee, King Magnus received wounds to his legs, being pierced by a spear through both thighs above the knees but fought on attempting to get his men back to the level ground of the camp site. An axe wielding Irishman charged the King and struck him in the neck, before he was himself was killed by Magnus's personal guard. King Magnus died where he fell.

Magnus was married to Margareta (the daughter of his former enemy Inge Stenkilsson, King of Sweden), in 1101 at Kungahälla. They did not have surviving children. His extant sons at his death were Olaf Magnusson, Øystein Magnusson and Sigurd Magnusson (later known as Sigurd Jorsalfar or Crusader) who all together succeeded him.


Sigurd I Magnusson (ca. 1090 – 26 March 1130), also known (in Norwegian) as Sigurd Jorsalfare (Old Norse Sigurðr Jórsalafari, translation: Sigurd the Crusader, literal translation: Sigurd, the Jerusalem-farer) was king of Norway from 1103 to 1130. He initially shared the throne with his brothers Øystein and Olav, but ruled alone from 1123.

In 1107, Sigurd led a Norwegian contingent in support of the crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem. He was the first European king to go on crusade, and his crusader feats earned him the nickname Jorsalafari ("Jerusalem-farer"). He fought in Lisbon, various Mediterranean islands and Palestine, and visited king Roger II of Sicily in Palermo, Jerusalem (Jorsalaland) and Constantinople (Miklagard). He joined forces with Baldwin I, King of Jerusalem to capture the coastal city of Sidon in 1110.

After returning to Norway in 1111, Sigurd made his capital in Konghelle (Kungälv in present-day Sweden) and built a castle there, where he kept a relic given to him by King Baldwin, a splinter reputed to be from the True Cross. In 1123 Sigurd once again set out to fight in the name of the church, this time to Småland in Sweden, where the inhabitants had renounced their Christian faith and were again worshipping their former gods.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on November 15, 2009, 03:28:47 PM
Warrior Monk,

Thanks for the info...you are truely amazing with the amount of detail you provide. To my fellow Brothers, I hope you all had a great weekend and a good week to follow.

Agis Quod Adis


Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 15, 2009, 04:43:51 PM
Friday, November 20, 2009
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8-9pm -- Lost Worlds - Knights Templar.
They defended the Holy Land through bloodshed and prayer. Founded in the 12th century, these Christian warrior monks reigned supreme for nearly 200 years before suffering a spectacular fall from grace. Tried for heresy, they were disbanded and their Grand Master burned at the stake. We'll search behind the legend for their lost world. We recreate the city they knew as Tortosa--now hidden among modern homes in the Syrian city of Tartus. We reveal secrets of their headquarters at Temple Mount in Jerusalem, with magnificent underground vaults that could stable 1,000 horses. And we visit the circular church in London built to resemble the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and the site of the Templar's mysterious initiation rites. We bring to life the hilltop fortress that Lawrence of Arabia called "the finest castle in the world", and return to the Mediterranean island where the Knights Templar made their last stand against Moslem enemies.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 15, 2009, 06:18:20 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on November 15, 2009, 06:51:35 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on November 15, 2009, 06:18:20 PM
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Dangit now I need to go to Mcdonalds and the pub cuz you made me hungry.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 15, 2009, 09:36:12 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 15, 2009, 11:19:20 PM
Quote from: SleepyArcher on November 15, 2009, 06:51:35 PM
Dangit now I need to go to Mcdonalds and the pub cuz you made me hungry.

See my beloved sponsors?? The adds are effective and already working!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on November 16, 2009, 06:49:56 AM
so do you use the WD-40 to help ease the McDonalds down?  ;D :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 16, 2009, 07:24:45 AM
And after a consumption of food fit for a King, we use the same substance to help ease us into our fashionable and form fitting maile..... ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 16, 2009, 02:17:55 PM
FYI on an event that seems to get over looked between the success of the 1st Crusade and the debacle of the 2nd Crusade:

The Norwegian Crusade was a crusade that lasted from 1107 to 1110, in the aftermath of the First Crusade, by the lead of the Norwegian king Sigurd I.  Sigurd was the first European king to ever go on crusade to the Holy Land, and not one battle during the crusade was lost. The Norwegian crusade seems to have acted out very similar to earlier Viking raids, though the Norwegians' ultimate aims were more noble this time.

From Norway to England (1107-08)
Sigurd and his men sailed from Norway in the autumn of 1107 with sixty ships and perhaps around 5,000 men. In the autumn he arrived in England, where Henry I was king. Sigurd and his men stayed there all the winter, until the spring of 1108 when they again set sail westwards.

In mainland Iberia (1108-09)

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The route taken by Sigurd I to Jerusalem/Constantinople (red line) and back to Norway (green line).

After several months they came to the town of St. James (Jakobsland) in Galicia (Galizuland) where they were allowed by a local lord to stay for the winter. However when the winter came there was a shortcoming of food, which made the lord refuse to sell food and goods to the Norwegians. Sigurd then gathered his army, attacked the lord's castle and looted what they could there.

During the travel the Norwegians encountered a great pirate ("viking") fleet of galleys which were seeking peaceful trading-ships to rob. However, Sigurd set his course straight for the pirates and stormed their ships. After a short time all the pirates had been either slain or escaped, and Sigurd acquired eight ships from them.

After this they came to a castle in Muslim Al-Andalus called Sintra (Sintre - present day Sintra, Portugal). They took the castle, and killed every man there as they had refused to be christened. Further they sailed to Lisbon, a "half Christian and half heathen" city, said to be the division between Christian and Muslim Spain. There they won their third battle, and acquired great treasures.
Their fourth battle was won in the town of Alkasse (possibly a reference to Al Qa?r) where they killed so many people that the town was said to have been left empty. Also here they got great treasures.

In the Baleares (1109)
After another victorious battle against pirates when sailing through the Strait of Gibraltar (Norfasund) they sailed further along the saracen land (Serkland) into the Mediterranean (Griklands hafi), and arrived at the Balearic Islands. The Baleares were at the time perceived by Christians to be nothing more than a pirate haven and slaving center. The Norwegian raids are also the first recorded Christian attacks on the Muslim Balearic islands (though smaller attacks certain have occurred).

The first place they arrived at was Formentera, where they encountered a great number of Blåmenn (Black men) and Serkir (Saracens) who had taken up their dwelling in a cave. The course of the fight is the most detailed of the entire crusade through written sources, and might possibly be the most notable historic event in the small island's history. 

After this battle, the Norwegians supposedly acquired the greatest treasures they had ever got. They then went on to attack Ibiza, and then Minorca, in both places victoriously. The Norwegians seems to have avoided attacking the largest of the Balearic islands, Mallorca, most likely as it at the time were the prosperous and well fortified center of an independent taifa kingdom. Tales of their success may have inspired the Catalan-Pisan conquest of the Baleares in 1113-1115.

In Sicily (1109-10)
In the spring of 1109, they arrived at Sicily (Sikileyjar) where they were welcomed by the ruling Count Roger II who was only 12-13 years old at the time.

In Palestine (1110)
In the summer of 1110 they finally arrived at the port of Acre (Akrsborg) (or perhaps in Jaffa), and went to Jerusalem (Jorsala) where they met the ruling crusader king Baldwin I. They were warmly welcomed, and Baldwin rode together with Sigurd to the river Jordan, and back again to Jerusalem.

The Norwegians were given much treasures and relics, including a splinter off the holy cross that allegedly Jesus himself had been crucified on. This was given on the condition that they would continue to promote Christianity and bring the relic to the burial site of St. Olaf.

Siege of Sidon (1110)
Later Sigurd returned to his ships at Acre, and when king Baldwin were going to the "heathen" (i.e. Muslim) town of Sidon (Sætt) in Syria (Sýrland) Sigurd and his men accompanied him in the siege. The town was then taken and subsequently the Lordship of Sidon established.

The journey back to Norway

To Constantinople (1110)
After this Sigurd and his men sailed to Cyprus where they stayed for a short while, before again traveling to Greece and arriving at a Greek port identified as Engilsnes. They stayed here for a while as Sigurd wanted to wait for a sidewind, as the sails of his ships would blow up and look more impressing to the Byzantines.

When they finally sailed into Constantinople (Miklagard) they saw that "over all the land there are burghs, castles, country towns, the one upon the other without interval". The sails of Sigurd's ships were so close that they seemed to form only one enormous sail. All the people of Constantinople came out to see Sigurd sailing into the city, and Emperor Alexios I opened the city port.

To Norway (1110-13)
When Sigurd was preparing to go back to Norway, he gave all his ships and valuable figureheads to the Byzantine Emperor Alexios I. In turn Sigurd received many horses which he would use to travel home over land. Many of his men stayed behind to take up service for the Byzantines.

Sigurd travelled, in a trip that supposedly would take around three years, from Bulgaria (Bolgaraland) and through Hungary (Ungararíki), Pannonia, Schwabia (Sváva), and Bavaria (Beiaraland) where he met with the Emperor Lothar of the Holy Roman Empire (Rómaborg). He later arrived in Denmark where he was greeted by king Niels who eventually gave him a ship so that he could sail all the way to Norway.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 18, 2009, 08:36:09 AM
Another look at an old topic:

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 18, 2009, 08:42:35 AM
Hollywood Update:

There is a finished Nicholas Cage pic set for release in 2010: Season of the Witch.

It is "the story of a Teutonic knight in the 14th century, who's trying to transport an alleged witch to a monastery in order for this young lady to be exorcised - to stop the Black Plague wreaking havoc," he reports. Ron Perlman and Christopher Lee (Templar Master Lucas de Beaumanoir in the 97 Ivanhoe adaptation)costar. The alleged witch is played by British actress Claire Foy, who played Amy Dorrit in the Emmy-winning Dickens adaptation Little Dorrit.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 18, 2009, 09:20:57 AM
Very nice discoveries my brother!  The Season of the Witch looks as if its more of a horror flick, and a pretty freaky one at that.  Regardless, I'll more than likely be viewing it upon its release.  Besides, "Christopher Lee" as a Bishop!?  That alone sold me!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on November 25, 2009, 05:56:38 PM
Hello my Brothers & Sisters,

Just wanted to wish yoou all a very Happy Thanksgiving!

Deus Lo Vult!

Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 28, 2009, 10:29:44 AM
Belated Thanksgiving wishes to you & yours frere Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on November 28, 2009, 09:24:46 PM
I too want to add my belated Thanksgiving blessings.  I hope you all had a wonderful holiday, dear Brothers and Sisters.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on November 29, 2009, 06:46:20 PM
I was going to tell everyone happy thanksgiving but i fell into a trytophan sleep....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Betty Munro on November 29, 2009, 06:55:52 PM
Warrior Monk, wow - thank you for the history lesson. 
(Re: The Norwegian Crusade)
It seems I snuck into your thread at a fantastic time.  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on November 29, 2009, 07:04:58 PM
Greetings all,
I copied this from another thread but thought it imperative everyone reads this.

All,

Sad to report, but Journeyman Leather was robbed while at Texas RenFaire.

Taken was $5000+ of leather merchandise. Nothing priced less than $225. Please pass on the word to friends and family who are Renny's, into Leather Fashion, Dancers, Goths, etc that if anyone they know of has a new Journeyman piece and they got it for a 'steal' & not bought from Scott at a Faire or James at the Northgate Mall in the Cincinnati Ohio store then the piece is probably hot.

Have them contact Scott Brenis via his websites at:

Journeyman Leather: http://journeymanleather.com/
Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/thepiratestreasure

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 29, 2009, 07:20:23 PM
Quote from: Betty Munro on November 29, 2009, 06:55:52 PM
Warrior Monk, wow - thank you for the history lesson. 
(Re: The Norwegian Crusade)
It seems I snuck into your thread at a fantastic time.  :)

Feel free to drop in at any time. Occasionally we actually post some historical in nature.... ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on November 30, 2009, 09:25:23 PM
My dad past away last night, so im going through a tough time. I know my problems with religion...faith... but i still ask you to pray for my family...im pretty lost and unsure what to do, but i still welcome anyone's prayers.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 01, 2009, 05:24:22 AM
Condolences from my Preceptory. Prayers have been issued on your behalf.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on December 01, 2009, 11:02:13 AM
My deepest condolenses to you young sir and your family. My prayers are with you and though you may have religious issues, the understanding of a greater place than this is not to be unknown. Just know that we are  here for but a time, for a greater place awaits us all.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 02, 2009, 02:13:08 PM
Deepest condolences from my Preceptory as well little brother.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on December 02, 2009, 07:18:25 PM
My deepest sympathy to you and your family.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on December 02, 2009, 10:06:29 PM
Brother Jesse,

I am so sorry on your loss. Prayers from my Preceptory as well. Princess Emma has also told me she is keeping you in her thoughts to give you strength and guidence in this troubled time. Stay strong my Brother. God Wills It!

Sir Michael & Princess Emma

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 03, 2009, 12:39:41 PM
TJ, my heart aches for your loss.  You don't have to do anything now but grieve and be with your family.  Your father will never be lost to you....he remains all around.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on December 04, 2009, 10:54:07 AM
Templar Jesse,

Grieve now, Brother, and then rejoice in celebration of his Life. I too, lost my Father at a young age. The pain passes and Peace comes.

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.

Frere Vert
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Betty Munro on December 06, 2009, 10:54:37 PM
Prayers for you, family and friends in this time of great loss.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 07, 2009, 07:54:46 AM
My condolences to you and your family Templar Jesse on your loss. You will be in my prayers
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 07, 2009, 07:58:32 AM
In an effort to divert such solemn tidings, I submit the following:

More on the "Myth". It also seems possible as a recruiting drive for the Masonic groups with such "riveting" history.

How crusading Templars gave Bruce the edge at Bannockburn


Published Date: 06 December 2009
By Tim Cornwell

BANNOCKBURN has long been heralded as Scotland's finest victory over the Auld Enemy.
The battle has been celebrated in verse and song ever since Robert the Bruce defied the odds to send King Edward II's army "hameward tae think again" in 1314.

However, a historian now claims the credit lies not with the Scots but with a band of
Templar knights from overseas.

Robert Ferguson, an American lawyer, says a new "statistical analysis" shows that a significant number of Templars arrived in Scotland from other parts of Europe and that they tipped the balance in Bruce's favour.

The King of France ordered the arrest of any Templars in his country in 1307 – seven years before Bannockburn – and Pope Clement later ordered all European monarchs to follow suit.

Ferguson claims, citing a statistician he hired for his research, that at least 29 battle-hardened knights and sergeants would have ended up in Scotland, based on 335 avoiding capture, and that they influenced Bruce's tactics. And he argues that the real figure could even be as high as 48.

He said Bruce progressed with unusual speed from small encounters with the English to a full-blown battle at Bannockburn with properly armed men.

Ferguson says he has built up a convincing case from the circumstantial evidence that is available.

"Given the battle plan that is commonly accepted for Bannockburn, I believe that the Templars were necessary," he said.

"The existence of Templars at Bannockburn follows a consistent line of facts.

"There is now good evidence that a number of Templars, if not most of them, were aware that they were going to be arrested, and they escaped. There's only two places they really could escape to, Portugal and Scotland."

Ferguson's new claims are made in his book The Knights Templar And Scotland, which will be published in the new year by The History Press.

Ferguson is a Californian attorney, a former professor of astronomy, and a former vice-president of his local Clan Ferguson Society. His book comes with an endorsement from Raymond Morris, laird of 14th century Balgonie Castle in Fife, who claims to be the "Grand Prior of the Scots" Templars.

"Every Templar should read it," said Morris.

There are several Templar groups in modern Scotland.

"I've got about 150 people in America of Scots ancestry," said Morris.

But Ferguson's claims were met with scorn yesterday by historian Helen Nicholson, who teaches medieval warfare at Cardiff University and is an expert on the Templars.

It has been claimed before that Templars took part in the battle, and Nicholson said Ferguson's theories drew on discredited Victorian historical fantasies.

Nicholson said the idea was "hardly more credible" than old claims that the kingdom of Scotland was founded by the Egyptian princess Scota, and that Ferguson's theories reheated an old slur on Bruce's achievements.

"The myth is being used to show that Robert the Bruce was a weak man who couldn't win his own battles, rather than the inspirational military leader that he was," she said.

"I think that the Scots should be fighting this myth."

Nicholson, author of The Knights Templar On Trial, bluntly said claims of Templars fighting at Bannockburn in 1314 were "rubbish".

"There are no records of any French-speaking knights appearing in Scotland in the early decades of the 14th century in a country where French speakers would certainly be noticed." she said.

"The story has an unpleasant result for the Scots, because it makes out that Robert Bruce was incapable of defeating the 'all-powerful' English, without the help of foreigners."

The Templars' main fighting force was wiped out at the Fall of Acre in 1291, she said. By 1307, any left with fighting skills would have been in Cyprus.

"Bruce's battle plan at Bannockburn would have followed best contemporary practice which, as the Templars also did the same, would have meant that there were some elements in common. This does not mean that Bruce had actually met any Templars."

The Templars rose to prominence as knights of the Crusades, guarding revered sites and castles in the Holy Land.

But on Friday, 13 October, 1307, King Philip IV of France, heavily in debt to the order, ordered the arrest of its Grand Master, Jacques de Molay, and other French Templars. Many confessed to numerous sins under torture, and Pope Clement made his order the following year.

The writer Dan Brown drew heavily on Templar stories in his 2003 novel The Da Vinci Code, which was later made into a film, claiming that the order built Rosslyn Chapel, near Edinburgh, and guarded many secrets there with their lives.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: joan of arc on December 08, 2009, 12:40:34 PM
Here are a few clips from Templar Brothers in Russia:

These two are recruiting videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm47SNI3nNI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm47SNI3nNI)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LfekJug1ew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LfekJug1ew)  These guys from Northern Priory...

And here is another with their participation. This one is Vyborg castle festival (1 hour north of St. Petersburg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QbrfA_50TU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QbrfA_50TU)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 08, 2009, 02:56:44 PM
Many thanks for your post St Joan. I am actually good friends through another forum of one of the Sisters who support and participate with the Order's functions in Russia.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: joan of arc on December 08, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
I was about to join one of the groups in 1998 before I moved to Texas...

Quote from: Warrior Monk on December 08, 2009, 02:56:44 PM
Many thanks for your post St Joan. I am actually good friends through another forum of one of the Sisters who support and participate with the Order's functions in Russia.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 08, 2009, 08:39:57 PM
Cool Videos thanks Joan! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 09, 2009, 04:16:13 AM
Yes! Thank you Joan for sharing and you resided in Europe at one time?

BTW, was that an "Imperial March" remix I heard on the second video?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: joan of arc on December 09, 2009, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on December 09, 2009, 04:16:13 AM
Yes! Thank you Joan for sharing and you resided in Europe at one time?

BTW, was that an "Imperial March" remix I heard on the second video?

Yes, it was!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 09, 2009, 05:37:59 PM
St Joan, how goes the career in Law Enforcement?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: joan of arc on December 09, 2009, 06:05:13 PM
One enemy at the time  ;D Seriously, pretty well for now (at one point I hurt my back and was not sure if I could continue) - by God's grace. And how are you, dear brother?

Quote from: Warrior Monk on December 09, 2009, 05:37:59 PM
St Joan, how goes the career in Law Enforcement?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 10, 2009, 07:15:41 AM
Quote from: joan of arc on December 09, 2009, 06:05:13 PM
One enemy at the time  ;D Seriously, pretty well for now (at one point I hurt my back and was not sure if I could continue) - by God's grace. And how are you, dear brother?

St Joan,

Things have been quite busy, since the last time we exchanged information. I've swapped jobs (less travel, but still battling the enemy of old in a different manner), and have been provided more time to pursue the historical reading portion of my hobby.

Have you at this time decided to swap your divinely protected armor of plate for something more durable and functional? Like that of a Sister of one of the Military Orders of the Crusades? Maybe given your geographical background, one of the Teutonic Order or Livonian Schwert Bruder Orden?

How's the MMA treating you? Do I recall correctly that you were also a member of ARMA?

A few of the Sisters on this thread would welcome your presence.....lol!

BTW: The lass I was referring to from Russia goes by the moniker of "Darkmatter". She does a lot of photography for that particular group.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: joan of arc on December 10, 2009, 06:20:20 PM

My ballistic vest does not quite compare with plate armor, I would not mind wearing it for the job  :D

I don't have enough time to do ARMA, but MMA is going well!

I will be going to a new Texas faire (Sherwood forest), as a Crusader (Templar) :)

Quote from: Warrior Monk on December 10, 2009, 07:15:41 AM
Quote from: joan of arc on December 09, 2009, 06:05:13 PM
One enemy at the time  ;D Seriously, pretty well for now (at one point I hurt my back and was not sure if I could continue) - by God's grace. And how are you, dear brother?

St Joan,

Things have been quite busy, since the last time we exchanged information. I've swapped jobs (less travel, but still battling the enemy of old in a different manner), and have been provided more time to pursue the historical reading portion of my hobby.

Have you at this time decided to swap your divinely protected armor of plate for something more durable and functional? Like that of a Sister of one of the Military Orders of the Crusades? Maybe given your geographical background, one of the Teutonic Order or Livonian Schwert Bruder Orden?

How's the MMA treating you? Do I recall correctly that you were also a member of ARMA?

A few of the Sisters on this thread would welcome your presence.....lol!

BTW: The lass I was referring to from Russia goes by the moniker of "Darkmatter". She does a lot of photography for that particular group.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 10, 2009, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: joan of arc on December 10, 2009, 06:20:20 PM

I will be going to a new Texas faire (Sherwood forest), as a Crusader (Templar) :)



Please be sure to post your pictures on this thread!  A female Templar warrior will be quite pleasing to behold!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: joan of arc on December 10, 2009, 08:17:05 PM
I will - once I pull my gear out of the crates! ;)


Quote from: Femme Falchion on December 10, 2009, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: joan of arc on December 10, 2009, 06:20:20 PM

I will be going to a new Texas faire (Sherwood forest), as a Crusader (Templar) :)



Please be sure to post your pictures on this thread!  A female Templar warrior will be quite pleasing to behold!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 11, 2009, 10:19:18 AM
 ;D ;D Merry Christmas Yall  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 12, 2009, 08:39:32 AM
One of my favorite legends to read, while not a true "Christmas story" but one that fits the area is the legend of Prester John:


In the 1130s, under the leadership of Imad ad-din Zengi, Turkish power became a serious threat to the Crusader kingdoms in the Holy Land. This caused these kingdoms to seek aid from Western Europe, and around 1145, Hugh, Bishop of Jabala, was sent to meet Pope Eugenius to ask for help. Otto von Freisingen, Bishop of Freising, recorded in his Historia de Duabus Civitatibus (1158) that Hugh told the Pope about Prester John, a Christian priest and king whose kingdom was in the extreme Orient, beyond Persia and Armenia. Prester John was supposed to be a descendent of the Magi and a possessor of great wealth. It appears that Hugh talked to the Pope about Prester John because rumors had been circulating in Europe that he was going to come to the rescue of the Crusader kingdoms and Hugh wasn't to emphasize that this would not happen as Prester John was cut off from the Middle East by the Tigris River.
In 1165, a (forged) letter allegedly from Prester John was delivered to Emperor Manuel Comnenus of Byzantium. Manuel forwarded the letter to Emperor Frederic Babarous of the Holy Roman Empire. The forgery was quite clever, for the forger had obviously read Otto von Freisingen's report and he repeated many of the same stores and further played upon the hopes and fears of the Europeans vis-à-vis the infidel Turks. The letter caused a sensation and not only were copies circulated widely, but excepts were even put to song.


Excerpts from letter

"...I, Prester john, who reign supreme, surpass in virtue, riches and power all creatures under heaven. Seventy kings are our tributaries. I am a zealous Christian and universally protect the Christians of our empire, supporting them by our alms. We have determined to visit the sepulchre of our Lord with a very large army, in accordance with the glory of our majesty to humble and chastise the enemies of the cross of Christ and to exalt his blessed name."

"For gold, silver, precious stones, animals of every kind and the number of our people, we believe there is not our equal under heaven."

"If again thou askest how it is that the Creator of all having made us the most superpotential and most glorious over all mortals-does not give us a higher dignity or more excellent name than that of Priest (Prester), let not thy wisdom be surprised on this account, for this is the reason. We have many ecclesiastics in our retinue of more dignified name and office in the Church, and of more considerable standing than ours in the divine service. For our house-steward is a patriarch and king; our cup-bearer is an archbishop and king; our chamberlain is a bishop and king; our archimandrite, that is chief pastor or master of the horse, is a king and abbot. Whereof our highness has not seen it repugnant to call himself by the same name and to distinguish himself by the order of which our court is full. And if we have chosen to be called by a lower name and inferior rank, it springs from humility."



The only official response to the letter was that Pole Alexander III sent out a Papal emissary in 1177 with a letter for Prester John, carried by his physician, Magister Philippos, but nothing was ever heard of what became of him. Years later, in the mid-thirteenth century when Asia was opened again to Europeans by the ascendancy of the Tartars, the great search began to find this Prester John, a search which was very important opening up Asia and re-establishing ties with China. Though he was never found, his legend continued throughout the middle ages, with Kings and Popes sending off letters at different times seeking his help and dreams of his riches filling the heads of many.

For more on the legend just google "Prester John" and you will bring up a multitude of information about him.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 13, 2009, 06:02:44 PM
In 1221 Jacques de Vitry, Bishop of Acre, returned from the disastrous Fifth Crusade with good news: King David of India, the son or grandson of Prester John, had mobilized his armies against the Saracens. He had already conquered Persia, then under the Khwarezmian Empire's control, and was moving on towards Baghdad as well. This descendant of the great king who had defeated the Seljuks in 1141 planned to reconquer and rebuild Jerusalem.

The bishop of Acre was correct in thinking that a great King had conquered Persia; however "King David," as it turned out, was no benevolent Nestorian monarch nor even a Christian, but the pagan warlord Genghis Khan. His reign took the story of Prester John in a new direction. The Mongol Empire's rise gave Western Christians the opportunity to visit lands they had never seen before, and they set out in large numbers along the Empire's secure roads. Belief that a lost Nestorian kingdom existed in the east, or that the Crusader states' salvation depended on an alliance with an Eastern monarch, was one reason for the numerous Christian ambassadors and missionaries sent to the Mongols.

The link between Prester John and Genghis Khan was elaborated upon at this time as the Prester became identified with Genghis' foster father, Toghrul, king of the Keraits, given the Jin title Wang Khan Toghrul. Fairly truthful chroniclers and explorers such as Marco Polo, Crusader-historian Jean de Joinville, and the Franciscan voyager Odoric of Pordenone stripped Prester John of much of his otherworldly veneer, portraying him as a more realistic earthly monarch. Joinville describes Genghis Khan in his chronicle as a "wise man" who unites all the Tartar tribes and leads them to victory against their strongest enemy, Prester John. According to Marco Polo's Travels, the war between the Prester and Genghis started when Genghis, new ruler of the rebellious Tartars, asked for the hand of Prester John's daughter in marriage. Angered that his lowly vassal would make such a request, Prester John denied him in no uncertain terms. In the war that followed, Genghis triumphed and Prester John perished.

The historical figure behind these accounts, Toghrul, was in fact a Nestorian Christian monarch defeated by Genghis. He had fostered the future Khan after the death of his father Yesugei and was one of his early allies, but the two had a falling out. After Toghrul rejected a proposal to wed his son and daughter to Genghis' children, the rift between them grew until war broke out in 1203. Genghis captured Toghrul's daughter Sorghaghtani Beki and married her to his son Tolui; they had several children, including Möngke, Kublai, Hulagu, and Ariq Böke.


Wolfram von Eschenbach tied the history of Prester John to the Holy Grail legend in his poem Parzival, in which the Prester is the son of the Grail maiden  and the Saracen knight Feirefiz.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 13, 2009, 07:27:29 PM
Awww ya spoiled it.. well sort of  ;)  ... I was hoping the rest of order would go and hunt down that the Mongols ( one of my favorites) were a deciding factor in this and so many other events dealing with Amu Darya ( Transoxianna? ) Christians then.... 

Warrior Monk,I ask your aid in this. Later it seems Prester John's kingdom in the 1400's switched to East Africa.. I know that he was the supposed king of the "Three Indias" How did they determine that  East Africa was an "India" considering that both Egyptian and Roman trade routes where still used via the Islamic Empires or trade so the knowledge of these lands still existed?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 13, 2009, 09:24:16 PM
It appears they (Franks/Westerners) often spoke of the "Three Indias," and add to this the lack of any real geographical/nautical knowledge of the Indian Ocean, they sometimes considered Ethiopia one of the three. The Franks/Crusaders knew Ethiopia was a powerful Christian nation, but any contact had been sporadic since the rise of Islam. Since no Prester John was to be found in Asia, European imagination moved him around the blurred frontiers of "India" until they found an appropriately powerful kingdom for him in Ethiopia.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 14, 2009, 11:35:53 AM
Can somebody tell me where I might find a helmet such as this?

(http://i45.tinypic.com/28v7uhf.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 14, 2009, 12:11:50 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on December 14, 2009, 11:35:53 AM
Can somebody tell me where I might find a helmet such as this?

(http://i45.tinypic.com/28v7uhf.jpg)

Another helm for thyself?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 14, 2009, 12:17:51 PM
Absolutely, they're like potato chips...you can never have just one.... ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: angusmacinnes on December 14, 2009, 07:24:10 PM
I really dont know where one might find one but if anyone knows it would be nice. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on December 14, 2009, 09:32:37 PM
I do believe you can aquire one on Ebay.com I think I have seen them a few times there. Oh By the way Sir Marcus It is so good to see you.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2009, 07:14:18 AM
I've seen plenty of Norman like helms with the nasal guard on most sites and Ebay, but take special note of the lack of this guard and the special symmetry on this example: round. More like a skull cap.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on December 15, 2009, 08:59:09 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on December 14, 2009, 12:11:50 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on December 14, 2009, 11:35:53 AM
Can somebody tell me where I might find a helmet such as this?

(http://i45.tinypic.com/28v7uhf.jpg)

Another helm for thyself?

Now that is something I could wear. I never did like the nasal helm as it was too oblong for my head and it looked funny on me. This would suit me though.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2009, 11:37:54 AM
I like it too, it resembles the helm on the Ignite 12" action figure I have of the Knight Templar.
I am currently talking to a guy who says he can probably help me. Chris B gave the referral. I have also posted on the Arms and Armor thread, so you can see his link.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2009, 02:18:02 PM
As you know, that will more than likely be your best bet to get exactly what your looking for especially considering circumference.  I did however spend sometime looking. I have seen some buckets that match perfect except everyone I've seen so far has a nasal guard.  :(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 15, 2009, 11:54:45 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on December 15, 2009, 02:18:02 PM
As you know, that will more than likely be your best bet to get exactly what your looking for especially considering circumference.  I did however spend sometime looking. I have seen some buckets that match perfect except everyone I've seen so far has a nasal guard.  :(

Most of the skull cap styles I seen like that are made from leather. In fact, the one in the photo looks like it could be leather with a good acrylic paint job to resemble metal...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 16, 2009, 08:08:27 AM
Probably correct Lord Magnus. Our good friend Master Harold of Inner Baily produces such a helm in leather. 

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2cpt3jn.jpg)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 16, 2009, 09:09:58 AM
Yep thats what I was thinking... with the correct acrylic paint, you can make leather look like metal. the "pewter mug" my lady was using at Fisher's faire this year was in fact a leather mug that I made and used a really nice metallic acrylic on it that gave it the appearance of pewter. A few folks asked about it and were surprised to discover that it was made of leather.

Im sure a good smith can make one out of metal as well, but leather is cheaper.. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 16, 2009, 10:01:43 AM
Although I'm all for cheaper, and I have seen plenty of leather versions of this helm online, I would prefer a more metallic construction. Words are being exchanged with an armorer as we speak of this. My fingers remain crossed. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 16, 2009, 10:09:21 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on December 16, 2009, 08:08:27 AM
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2cpt3jn.jpg)

This looks great, but has too many cross ridges to reflect Arn's helm for me.

Then there was this:

http://ancientarmour.com/AB0371.jpg
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 16, 2009, 10:42:21 AM
Another option you may want to try is  someone that does movie style props or resins. While not metal, they can be made to look authentic..
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 16, 2009, 11:45:26 AM
On another note. Have you seen that By the Sword is now offering the "Norman Phrygian Helmet"

Phrygian Helmet (http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Norman_Phrygian_Helmet_GH1099.html)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 16, 2009, 02:47:39 PM
Here are some good examples of LRP helms or movie props:
http://www.nortonarmouries.com/shop.asp (http://www.nortonarmouries.com/shop.asp)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 16, 2009, 03:00:53 PM
Great post! This resin stuff and faux armor seems to be big business in Hollywood. I would have made them wear the real thing! Charleton Heston is rolling in his El Cid grave over this!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on December 16, 2009, 06:17:48 PM
Oh, im in a crisis. I have no idea what i want to wear to fairs anymore. i cant make up my mind. I have a split personalty between medieval and pirate/colonial/elizebethan garb. haha. I f i do Templar, i want all my freinds to be crusaders, and i want my tunic altered to be more slimming, a doublewrap belt and no less then 10 crusaders with me. Pirate is more comfy, all the girls i know like it more, and i love the sea just as much as the Templars. No i cant do both ahha ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on December 17, 2009, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Lord Magnus on December 16, 2009, 02:47:39 PM
Here are some good examples of LRP helms or movie props:
http://www.nortonarmouries.com/shop.asp (http://www.nortonarmouries.com/shop.asp)

No doubt, great link Lord Magnus.  The female Paladin breastplate is something to put on my wish list....

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/821.jpg)

TJ, really now.....the girls might like the Pirates but when they get to be women, well, it's a different story.  IMHO.   ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 17, 2009, 01:45:13 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/jb2p75.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 17, 2009, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on December 16, 2009, 06:17:48 PM
Oh, im in a crisis. I have no idea what i want to wear to fairs anymore. i cant make up my mind. I have a split personalty between medieval and pirate. I f i do Templar, i want all my freinds to be crusaders, and i want my tunic altered to be more slimming, a doublewrap belt and no less then 10 crusaders with me. Pirate is more comfy, all the girls i know like it more

Seriously?

(http://i50.tinypic.com/29ghd3m.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: angusmacinnes on December 17, 2009, 03:23:23 PM
A good armorer such as Brian Price or any others of the ilk should be able to custom make one for you.  Of course the cost is going to be high so just be prepared. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Betty Munro on December 18, 2009, 09:59:09 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on December 17, 2009, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: Templar Jesse on December 16, 2009, 06:17:48 PM
Oh, im in a crisis. I have no idea what i want to wear to fairs anymore. i cant make up my mind. I have a split personalty between medieval and pirate. I f i do Templar, i want all my freinds to be crusaders, and i want my tunic altered to be more slimming, a doublewrap belt and no less then 10 crusaders with me. Pirate is more comfy, all the girls i know like it more

Seriously?

(http://i50.tinypic.com/29ghd3m.jpg)

I'd rather a Knight.  The persona of a Pirate might be fun at the bar, but he's not what I want leading my family.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 18, 2009, 10:24:07 AM
Hmm I guess I cant comment on this one. Being a mercenary.. I suppose I am sort of a "medieval pirate" of a sorts.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: joan of arc on December 18, 2009, 11:14:57 AM
I found pictures of me in my Templar stuff from 2005, when my Templar surcoat still looked new.

(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4113/lonestar2009.b/0_1b7c3_50e7317c_L.jpg) (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/lonestar2009/view/112579/)
?????????? ?? ??????.?????? (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/lonestar2009/view/112579/)

(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4011/lonestar2009.b/0_1b7c4_555417a3_L.jpg) (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/lonestar2009/view/112580/)
?????????? ?? ??????.?????? (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/lonestar2009/view/112580/)

I get to wear it again, because now Texas has a faire with a right time period. 8)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 18, 2009, 12:46:26 PM
Quote from: joan of arc on December 18, 2009, 11:14:57 AM
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4113/lonestar2009.b/0_1b7c3_50e7317c_L.jpg) (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/lonestar2009/view/112579/)
?????????? ?? ??????.?????? (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/lonestar2009/view/112579/)
I get to wear it again, because now Texas has a faire with a right time period. 8)

Huzzah Sister! Deus vult!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 18, 2009, 01:08:51 PM
Confere Jesse, you could always surrender your Habit, and move to a different Order.........see:

Hospitallers, now known as the Knights of Rhodes or Malta were forced to become a more militarized force, fighting especially with African pirates (the Barbary coast pirates).
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on December 18, 2009, 05:39:08 PM
I am more inclined to the Knights of Malta but more in tune to the Knights Hospitillars( of Sts. John Of Jeruselem) Though of course they are The knights of Malta and Rhodes. And Yes they did become very well off as fighters of the Muslim Pirates. And let be honest why not a Knight ? Pirates are Played out...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on December 19, 2009, 06:21:32 PM
Greetings Brother and Sisters,

Just checking in to see that those of you on the East Coast are warm & well. If you need to go out on the roads, please be safe.

I'm in Ohio and only a few inches today but I saw you were all getting dumped on.

I also want to wish you all a very Happy Holidays from both Princess Emma and myself.

Fortitido et spes!

Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 20, 2009, 06:35:34 PM
Sir Michael, all the best this Christmas to you and Princess Emma. And all the best to all the other Brothers and Sisters of this humble thread.

Pax vobiscum.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 21, 2009, 04:12:24 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on December 20, 2009, 06:35:34 PM
Sir Michael, all the best this Christmas to you and Princess Emma. And all the best to all the other Brothers and Sisters of this humble thread.

Pax vobiscum.
Agreed! Merry Christmas to you all!

Deus te Amat!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on December 21, 2009, 05:58:28 PM
Allow me to Wish You all the very best of the Holiday Spirit/s May you all be safe and secure in your travels and always one hand away from meeting a stranger and another hand firmly around your....Drink..... what were you thinking..... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 21, 2009, 07:30:33 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Holiday%20Gifs/CHRISTmas.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 22, 2009, 11:37:45 AM
I know there are some of you out there that play simulations on a variety of systems; from PC to PS3 and XBOX 360 so here's some news......


Quote from: Warrior Monk on December 22, 2009, 11:35:57 AM
XIII Century Gold (PC game.....and that ain't "Politically Correct"!)


Product Description

The Gold Edition includes XIII: Death or Glory AND XIII Blood of Europe! Two awsome games for a great price! Death or Glory is an RTS game which immerses players in the Middle Ages. This is a world of noble nights and ruthless nomads, a world of courageous deeds and internal wars. As one of the famous military leaders of the 13th Century, gamers are able to test their steel against the neighboring nations and carve their names into history. Among the playable factions are the English, the French, the Mongols, the Germans and the Kievan Rus' (Russians). The game consists of 5 campaigns which cover the most well-known battles of that period. Features include large scale battles, thousands of units, and offers players a chance to test their skills as military leaders in midieval Europe! Blood of Europe is the sequel to Death or Glory. Its 1233 AD and Alexander Nevsky, the famous defender of ancient Rus' western borders, is long gone. Having licked their wounds after the Battle on the Ice, knights of the Teutonic Order are again leading their iron wedges to Pskov, a gem of the Northern Rus'. They are out for easy prey and loot. Dovmont, Prince of Pskov, is destined to become a new hope of these lands. Prepare to join his armed forece to win fame worthy of the memory of the Grand Prince Alexander! Enjoy historical battles of the Middle Ages here and now. Dovmont will lead his troops against German and Livonian knights and blood of many fearless warriors will spill in the upcoming skirmishes, recreated with all the historical details.

Product Features
•   Wide array of tactics and strategies based on actual forces and armies of the thirteenth century
•   Genuine heraldry of European heraldry and chivalry
•   Over 60 historical characters, including Philip II Augustus, Frederick II of Hohenstaufen, Edward I, Alexander Nevsky, Daniil Galitsky, Simon de Montfort, and William Marshal
•   Dozens of unit types, including heavy knights, mounted and foot sergeants, archers, arbalesters, lance knights, darters, and warriors bearing axes, maces, and falchions
•   Accurate depiction of each nation's combat strengths - the French knights are unrivaled in mounted combat, the Welsh archers are experts at forest fighting, the Mongolian cavalry maneuvers with lightning speed, and the Italian arbalesters are the best shooters in Europe


http://www.amazon.com/XIII-Century-Gold-Pc/dp/B002E0JRK8

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on December 23, 2009, 11:00:11 AM
Wishing all my fellow Knights and Squires a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on December 26, 2009, 10:24:02 PM
HAVE A VERY CELEBRATED AND  MAJESTIC CHRISTMAS, BROTHER KNIGHTS... God has watched over you in your quests and will always. After all, GOD WILLS IT!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 29, 2009, 08:20:50 AM
Helmet follow up: I think I may have found something that may work for you guys looking for the metal skull cap.  I was going through my links and found this site in Europe called Historical Reproductions GmbH:  Check out the helmet at the bottom of the page link.
http://www.gdfbglobal.com/product.php?pcid=38&p=2 (http://www.gdfbglobal.com/product.php?pcid=38&p=2)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 31, 2009, 09:20:47 AM
Thank you Lord Magnus. I have actually made contact with a person who will actually construct one to my measurements.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on January 01, 2010, 07:54:41 PM
Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

May a Happy New year be upon you all from Sir Michael and Princess Emma.


Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 02, 2010, 03:45:54 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Holiday%20Gifs/Welcome2010-I.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on January 03, 2010, 09:31:03 AM
My fellow Knights and  Dames,

Allow me to wish you all a Grand and Celebrated New Year. May all your travels be with god and may God always be with you.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on January 04, 2010, 04:23:40 AM
Hail my Templar brothers and sisters,

   As of 2:37 this morning, Monday,  1/4/10, Sir Clistos Tome website has surpassed the 4 MILLION hit mark. HUZZAH!!! I thought it would happen on my Birthday the day before but one never knows. It is still a gracious gift to me.

As always, I want to thank everyone who comes here to use my site for period information. If it weren't for any of you, this could not be possible. It makes me very proud that my site is a place people can go for the information they are looking for. I am grateful for everyone and glad it is such a service. Now we trudge ahead to the next million. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR MAKING IT POSSIBLE.

And, always remember, if there is a chapter you would like to see added, please write and let me know, or if there are certain links to add or that are dead. All of this helps me maintain the site for everyone.

Respectfully,
Lord Clisto, Duke of York
Knight of the Holy Blade of York
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 04, 2010, 05:33:04 PM
FYI.......or not..... :P

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/entertainmentnews/Robin-Hood-Knights-Templar/article-1650689-detail/article.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on January 05, 2010, 09:39:28 AM
Sir Clisto,
Allow me to personally Thank You for allowing this to be a place of communication amongst the great many of us. I Salute You Sir HuuuuuZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on January 06, 2010, 02:47:36 AM
I am not sure you are meaning my Tome of Knowledge or this forum. For there are others and not I that are responsible for where we speak here. They are the ones deservid for that part. But, if it be for the using of my own site, then I humbly thank you, Sir Samuel.

Invictus Maneo
Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 06, 2010, 04:34:16 AM
Congrats M'Lord on reaching the 4 million mark! I knew victory would be yours...God Wills It!!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 06, 2010, 11:26:25 AM
TONIGHT WEDNESDAY 1/06/10

10-12am -- Warrior Empire: The Mughals -
From 1526 to 1858, the Mughals, a dynasty of nomadic Asian rulers, created a massive and powerful empire covering much of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, passing along an appetite for territory expansion and brutality. But they were also technological innovators and builders of some of the most enduring architecture in South Asia. Through their conquests and achievements, we learn about their military innovations like composite bows, matchlock guns, rocketry, chain mail, and cannons. We explore their feats of archery on horseback and use of elephants as fearsome weapons. And we examine their culture and enduring architecture, including palaces, forts, water systems, gardens, and the Taj Mahal--a tomb that took 22 years to build in honor of the most beloved of the sultan's wives. Join us for a sweeping history of the military ambition, innovative weapons and battle strategies, material excess, architectural wonders, and cultural flowering that shaped modern India.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 11, 2010, 06:23:58 PM
Picked up this book today:

http://www.amazon.com/Crusades-Very-Short-Introduction-Introductions/dp/0192806556/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_2

Still smacks of the old line of thought about the Crusades.

I recommend God's Battalions be read first.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 12, 2010, 09:48:37 AM
First photo released of Ironclad:

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2v29w09.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 12, 2010, 01:34:45 PM
Hey..wait a minute!  Haven't I seen that surcoat used somewhere before?!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 12, 2010, 02:36:45 PM
They had some left overs....remember.....waste not, want not.......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 13, 2010, 12:30:38 PM
This week in history

January 13, 1128
On this day in 1128, Pope Honorius II grants a papal sanction to the military order known as the Knights Templar, declaring it to be an army of God.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 13, 2010, 03:13:54 PM
FYI for our Sisters of this thread:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0231125984#noop
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Richard de Graeme on January 13, 2010, 04:20:56 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/13/ironclad-movie-trailer/

All Blessings be upon thee, thy kith and kin.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Jefferson on January 16, 2010, 11:44:29 AM
Ironclad looks like like a great movie, but unless I'm wrong, William Marshall did not lead the defense of Rochester Castle.  In a movie that's aiming to be historically accurate, how do they account for placing him in a siege that he was never in?  Is there any evidence to the contrary?

Oh, and by the way, hi!  I'm a long time lurker, finally getting around to posting.  Thanks for the great conversations here.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 16, 2010, 05:47:36 PM
Greeting Sir Jefferson, and welcome.

To answer your question: In the same fashion Ridley Scott got away with Kingdom of Heaven. If we truly desire a historically accurate movie of these times, someone will have to hire some of us to put it together. ;)

Pax vobiscum.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on January 16, 2010, 06:42:37 PM
Greetings All,

Well as they say, there is no such thing as a bad crusader based movie, just some that are better than others!

I hope all the Brothers and Sisters are doing well. Princess Emma sends a big hello to everyone.

Stay warm & safe!

Sir Michael

Potus Mori Quam Foedari - Deus Lo Vult!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 16, 2010, 07:08:45 PM
Quote from: SirMichael on January 16, 2010, 06:42:37 PM
Well as they say, there is no such thing as a bad crusader based movie, just some that are better than others!

Absolutely Brother....absolutely! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on January 17, 2010, 11:49:16 PM
When is this movie coming out?

Does anyone know where I can get a period accurate crossbow?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 18, 2010, 07:53:32 AM
This year some time....probably around the release of Ridley Scott's Robin Hood.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 18, 2010, 10:41:13 AM
Quote from: SleepyArcher on January 17, 2010, 11:49:16 PM
Does anyone know where I can get a period accurate crossbow?

Have you Googled "medieval crossbow" yet?  All kinds of stuff comes up!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 18, 2010, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: SleepyArcher on January 17, 2010, 11:49:16 PM
Does anyone know where I can get a period accurate crossbow?

FYI Brother:

The crossbow was outlawed for use by Christians in 1139 at the Second Lateran Council.

"29. We prohibit under anathema that murderous art of crossbowmen and archers, which is hateful to God, to be employed against Christians and Catholics from now on."


http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/docs/ECUM10.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on January 18, 2010, 05:41:55 PM
Welcome and Well Met Sir Jefferson,
As for the Movies ever being correct. If they were all correct would people want to know the real trueths? Would they sell tickets you think? Yea they need some real research in history, I'd much prefer the trueth. Hey maybe someone will tell the trueth in a movie about Christopher Columbus too.... :D... Yea Right!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 18, 2010, 08:31:27 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on January 18, 2010, 05:24:52 PM
FYI Brother:

The crossbow was outlawed for use by Christians in 1139 at the Second Lateran Council.

"29. We prohibit under anathema that murderous art of crossbowmen and archers, which is hateful to God, to be employed against Christians and Catholics from now on."

Excellent observation my brother.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 18, 2010, 09:28:26 PM
It appears I will be making an appearance on the newest addition by Stephen Defoe.  God Wills It!

(http://i50.tinypic.com/dnydlc.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on January 18, 2010, 10:59:49 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on January 18, 2010, 09:28:26 PM
It appears I will be making an appearance on the newest addition by Stephen Defoe.  God Wills It!

(http://i50.tinypic.com/dnydlc.jpg)

COOL!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on January 18, 2010, 11:15:33 PM
GOD WILLS IT!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on January 19, 2010, 04:52:42 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on January 18, 2010, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: SleepyArcher on January 17, 2010, 11:49:16 PM
Does anyone know where I can get a period accurate crossbow?

FYI Brother:

The crossbow was outlawed for use by Christians in 1139 at the Second Lateran Council.

"29. We prohibit under anathema that murderous art of crossbowmen and archers, which is hateful to God, to be employed against Christians and Catholics from now on."




http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/docs/ECUM10.htm


I guess I'm going to have to change my name then eh?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 19, 2010, 05:29:48 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on January 18, 2010, 09:28:26 PM
It appears I will be making an appearance on the newest addition by Stephen Defoe.  God Wills It!

(http://i50.tinypic.com/dnydlc.jpg)

Welcome to the semi secret Order of the Book Covers Brother! Well done!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 19, 2010, 10:33:35 AM
Quote from: SleepyArcher on January 19, 2010, 04:52:42 AM
I guess I'm going to have to change my name then eh?

Nah...we can grandfather you in. Was it not the favorite weapon of the greatest Christian Warrior of the Crusades- Richard the Lionheart?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 19, 2010, 11:29:27 AM
For your historical review.......


http://books.google.com/books?id=_2zqCm-QRHoC&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=Stalkers+and+shooters+King+Richard+and+the+Crossbow&source=bl&ots=Mz4o_wYc6b&sig=dEHwe6MwqS-iLih_r82Gu-NYOWQ&hl=en&ei=_utVS8udC4-Ytge6y4GnCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on January 19, 2010, 08:51:37 PM
Sir William,
May I say, you never looked better being booked.... Congratulations
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 20, 2010, 03:25:53 AM
Thank you my fellow brethren for the kind words. I do believe there is one or two more images of myself & company in the book as well. Will have to wait and see.

Sir Samuel, By chance did you receive my email?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 20, 2010, 10:51:26 AM
Adding a new twist to this thread and making it: Interactive.

http://i47.tinypic.com/f4mu03.jpg

(http://i47.tinypic.com/f4mu03.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on January 21, 2010, 05:46:59 PM
Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

I bring you all good news and honor as well to our board. Last sunday, I attended a medieval feast here in Painesville,Ohio called 12th night. About 60 people from the Great Lakes Medieval Faire attended. I took 3rd place in the costume contest. I had hoped for better but any award is better than none. I was the only Knight to win. I owe you all for your dedicated support to all the Knights here. Without you we would not be as strong. Thanks! for all the info you pass on to each of us. Especially you Warrior Monk!!!!!



Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 21, 2010, 06:49:54 PM
Huzzah SirMichael! We rejoice in the news of your recognition. It's good to see our numbers swelling and gaining praise for the efforts to put such a representation together.


Were visual representations captured Brother?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 21, 2010, 07:08:49 PM
Huzzah Indeed! Congrats Sir Michael!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on January 21, 2010, 11:16:32 PM
Good God Sir Michael,  congratulations on the showing and besting of others to get in the top three. A knights duty and loyalty should never go unnoticed and by this it has not. We are brothers so your place represents all of us for which we too are greatful. Good job.. But, we all had to know it would happen, because "GOD WILLED IT!!!"

Invictus Maneo,
Lord Clisto, knight of the Holy Blade of York,
Duke of York
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 22, 2010, 09:42:47 AM
GOD WILLS IT!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 22, 2010, 10:15:47 AM
What really happened to the Knights Templar?

A talk with Michael Haag, author of 'The Templars: The History and the Myth.' Why did they disappear? Blame it on the king of France, Haag says.

The Templars were an elite task force -- consider them the Green Berets of the Middle Ages. They were known for their service to the pope, their fierce determination to wrest Jerusalem from the enemy, their great wealth and, like many groups, their secrecy.

For a group so secret, though, they've received an incredible amount of attention both in the years BDB (before Dan Brown) and ever since.

Haag  shared some of his revelations with the Siren's Call during a recent conversation.

Why did the Templars appeal to you enough that you set out to write a book on them? Was it the result of coming across them in the course of writing your other books about Alexandria and "The Da Vinci Code"?

Michael Haag: I already had a pretty good knowledge of the history, the landscape and the architecture of the Crusader period; writing about the Templars brought things into sharp focus. I have traveled widely throughout the Middle East and have visited every Crusader and Arab castle of significance, including the Templars' last redoubt at Sidon in Lebanon, their fortified city of Tortosa and their castle at Safita. I've also been to the Hospitaller's great castle of Krak de Chevaliers and the Assassins' eyrie at Masyaf, all in Syria, not to mention the Temple Mount in Jerusalem where the Templars had their headquarters, the mount itself giving the knights their popular name (properly they were the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon).

They also figure in Lawrence Durrell's "Avignon Quintet," don't they? You're writing about him, aren't you?

MH: Yes, as it happens, I am writing a biography of Lawrence Durrell, who, as you say, runs the Templars as a theme through his "Avignon Quintet." There is an element of economy in this: informing myself about Durrell's interest in the Templars by writing a book about the Templars! Durrell's interest in the Templars, which goes hand in glove with his interest in the Cathars and Gnosticism (also discussed in my book), is one that is widely shared -- for the Templars have enjoyed an afterlife that goes well beyond their destruction in 1312 and continues to this day. Which is why I deal not only with the history of the Templars, which lasted only two centuries, but also with the myth of the Templars, which is rooted in the foundation of Solomon's Temple 3,000 years ago and remains alive in various forms in the present day.

There are so many books now out there about the Templars, thanks in large part to the interest Dan Brown created with his "Code." Was there something that these books weren't saying about the Templars that you felt needed to be told?

MH: Books about the Templars fall into two categories. Some are strictly history and confine themselves to the two centuries of the Templars' existence. Others are speculative and deal in the many stories surrounding the Templars, in what you might call the afterlife of the Templars that continues in the popular imagination to this day. I wanted to take a serious look at both the history and the mythic afterlife and to show how they are intimately related and always have been -- how the Templars became the subject of popular imagination already at their inception, celebrities, you might say, the superstars of the Middle Ages.

Superstars?

Already during their heyday, the Templars attracted to themselves many associations, legends, rumors and romances. When the story of the Holy Grail first began circulating in medieval Europe, it was immediately associated with the Templars. This star quality of the Templars was due partly to their prominent role in the central movement of the times, the Crusades and the defense of the Crusader states in the East, where the Templars were surrounded by potent historical and sacred associations. After all, the Templars were founded on Christmas Day 1119, within the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the spot which marks the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and they were headquartered on the Temple Mount, which indelibly associated them with stories surrounding the Temple of Solomon -- and nothing in medieval Christendom could beat that!

But being in the spotlight is not always the most favorable place to be, certainly not when things begin to go wrong. And for the Templars, everything went wrong when the Crusaders lost Acre in 1292; the West's hold on the Holy Land was lost and so was the Templars' raison d'être.

Their extinction was breathtakingly swift, wasn't it?

It is the most dramatic thing about them; knights belonging to an order of great power, wealth and reputation, owing obedience only to the Pope, were arrested in dawn raids across France, tortured and made to confess to abominable crimes and heresies, were often put to the stake, and their order dissolved. The reasons for their fall have long been shrouded in mystery and this has given rise to yet more fevered speculations. What did the Templars really know, what did they really possess, what were they really all about? And why did the pope, the very man to whom they owed sole obedience, let them down, abolish their order and let them go to the stake?

Do we now have any answers to these questions?

We do. New discoveries in the Vatican's Secret Archives, just as I was considering writing this book, revealed the truth of the pope's role in the end of the Templars and revealed the truth about the Templars themselves -- and, no, the Templars were not heretics nor blasphemers, and for what it was worth, they took to the stake and to their graves the pope's blessings and absolutions. But the pope, and indeed the papacy itself, the very independence of the Roman Catholic Church, was under threat from the king of France, a fanatic with totalitarian designs. My book has been the first book to revise the history of the Templars, and revise their afterlife too, in the light of these remarkable revelations.

Whenever the Templars are mentioned in books and articles, I usually find that it is in connection with their vast wealth - and, along with this, their vast greed. Why?

They were extremely expensive to maintain. They were the most superb fighting force in the world at that time, something like supersonic fighter-bomber pilots in our day, where each man and his equipment costs a fortune to keep operational. A single mounted knight in France in the 13th century required the proceeds from 3,750 acres to equip and maintain himself, and for Templars operating overseas in the Holy Land, the costs were much greater since much had to be imported, not least their horses. The Templars' training, their armor, their horses, their squires, their sergeants, not to mention building and maintaining castles, required an enormous outlay. And the knights themselves could suffer high mortality rates in climactic battles and needed to be replaced. All these costs were met through donations from the faithful back in Europe, usually in the form of estates large and small as well as tithes from the Church.

As individuals, the Templars were poor ascetics, but as an order, they were extremely wealthy. In fact, they became so accomplished at moving funds between Europe and the East that they soon set up as international bankers -- the first bankers of modern times. Their lands and their liquid wealth made them a ready target for greed, and the greed came not from among the Templars but from Philip IV, the king of France, who, after stealing the wealth and properties of France's Jews and throwing them out of the country, turned on the Templars. That was the real motive for the Friday the 13th arrests: The king of France needed money to pursue his wars in Flanders and against the English, and he also was asserting himself against the papacy, laying claim to being the man who called all the shots in Europe, whether secular or religious. It was a form of expropriation and nationalization, accompanied by tortures and executions and, of course, the necessary propaganda and lies -- blaming the Templars for being blasphemers, for being heretics, for being haughty and greedy. In the minds of many, the mud stuck.

Few really seem to associate any other characteristic with them, though, except greed. No one talks about, for instance, their fantastic ability as military strategists and fortress builders. What excellent qualities should people know about?

Well, in comparison to the egregious greed, cruelty and lies of the king of France, the Templars were honest in their faith and straightforward in their conduct. They should be remembered for their bravery, which was legendary, their dedication, which was absolute -- a few dozen Templars could turn the weight of battle and save a kingdom. Their attrition rate was high: At least 20,000 Templars were killed either on the battlefield or after being taken captive and refusing to renounce their faith to save their lives. Without the Templars, the Crusader venture in the East would have lasted only half as long as it did. After the Battle of Hattin, in which Saladin was victorious, he ordered the decapitation in cold blood of all his Templar captives, a hundred men, fearing them above all others because "they have great fervor in religion, paying no attention to the things of this world."

As builders of castles and churches, they were men of powerful vision and exquisite taste; they have left behind them in the Middle East today numerous beautiful monuments speaking of the Romanesque and Gothic styles of the France and England from which they came.

Tell us a little bit more about their organization as an elite task force - were they the first to submit only to papal authority? In defending the Holy Land, why was this direct line of obedience only to the pope so important?

In the late 11th century, the Church was involved in the Investiture Controversy over whether the secular powers of Europe or the papacy itself had the authority to appoint high church officials in each and every state. Secular kings and princes were eager to have the authority for themselves, as it would give them control over the great wealth and powers such officials could command. But in the event, it was an argument that the papacy won. Papal assertion did not end there; only the pope could establish a university or approve a monastic order; and when the Byzantine Empire sent to Rome for help against a fresh Muslim invasion, it was the pope who raised the First Crusade.

By means of a series of papal bulls in the early 12th century, the Templars were recognized as an independent and permanent order within the Catholic Church answerable to no one but the pope. Their "grand master" was chosen from among the ranks of Templar knights who conducted their elections free from any outside interference. The Templars were also given their own priesthood answerable to the grand master, which made the order independent of the diocesan bishops in both Europe and the East. The First Crusade itself had been called for by the pope, and the kingdom of Jerusalem, like the other Crusader states, owed themselves to papal initiative and the continuing goodwill and energy of the papacy for support and maintenance from the West. The pope did not want to see the Templars fall subject to religious or political rivalries. It is not that the pope actually controlled the Templars; rather, by owing allegiance to no one but the pope, the Templars maintained their independence from all and sundry and could give themselves freely and single-mindedly to their supreme task, the defense and preservation of the Holy Land.

Defending Jerusalem, you said earlier, was their reason for existing. When it fell, the Templars were in limbo, but didn't they try to find a new mission for themselves?

The Templars were founded to protect pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem and other sites throughout the Holy Land. In time their task became to defend the Holy Land itself -- not just Jerusalem but the several Crusader states which included the kingdom of Jerusalem, the county of Tripoli and the principality of Antioch. The city of Jerusalem fell to Saladin in 1187, though it changed hands several times thereafter, but meanwhile the new capital of the kingdom of Jerusalem became the port city of Acre, and when Acre fell in 1292 the Crusader venture was effectively over. Yes, there were a few attempts to regain the Holy Land, and the Templars, who were temporarily based in Cyprus, took the lead in these, but when finally they lost their tiny island outpost of Ruad in 1302, they looked highly redundant.

The Hospitallers were also a religious order of fighting monks, and they might have found themselves in the same boat as the Templars. But they quickly captured the island of Rhodes from the Byzantine Empire, which was Christian, and turned it into a state of their own, which allowed them to harass the surrounding Muslim powers and which also gave them protection from jealous Christian powers in Europe. The Hospitallers eventually retreated to Malta, finally to be driven out by Napoleon in 1798, though the order still exists and even has quasi-sovereign state observer status within the United Nations.

The Templars might have enjoyed a twilight existence in this way had they taken some large and defensible island, perhaps Cyprus, as their own. But instead of putting their own interests first, they so completely identified with their role as defenders of the Holy Land that they placed their trust in the pope and the king of France, Philip IV, who were contemplating launching yet another crusade. The Templar grand master Jacques de Molay and other high officers of the order were in France precisely to discuss such matters when they and all other Templars on French soil were arrested at dawn in October 1307 by Philip IV and accused of blasphemy and heresy.

When people ask, "Who were the Templars?," they're not using the correct verb tense, right? Some people believe they still exist today through their connections to the Freemasons and others.

In the mythic sense, the Templars are with us today, if only because many people wish it to be so. Such people include the Freemasons, some branches of which claim descent from the Templars who are said to have survived the persecutions of Philip IV and gone underground, to arise again wearing aprons and carrying trowels, among them such seditious figures as George Washington and Benjamin Franklin. The French Revolution was blamed on the Freemasons, who some people with lively imaginations said were really the Templars in disguise. Bringing matters more up to date, the Templars are behind the World Bank, the IMF, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, and also NATO, the European Union, the United Nations and the Skull and Bones Society at Yale. All of this is discussed in my book.

But the claim that the Templars discovered America, on the face of it one of the most far-fetched claims of all, actually contains a great deal more than a grain of truth.

How so?

They were not eradicated everywhere throughout Europe. In Spain and Portugal, they had performed good service in the local crusades, what we now call the Reconquista, against the Arab occupation of the Iberian peninsula, and instead of being disbanded, they were simply reestablished under other names and given royal protection and favor. In Portugal, the Templars became the Order of Christ, and none less than Prince Henry the Navigator became their grand master, using Templar wealth and zeal to send ships down the coast of Africa and far out into the Atlantic, to the Azores and Madeira. The achievements of Vasco da Gama, who found the first sea route round Africa to India in 1498; of Ferdinand Magellan, who in 1519 initiated the first voyage round the world; and of Christopher Columbus, who discovered America in 1492, were all the fruits of Prince Henry the Navigator's lifelong endeavor as Grand Master of what had been the Templars.

Thank you for your time.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 22, 2010, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: SirMichael on January 21, 2010, 05:46:59 PM
Thanks! for all the info you pass on to each of us.

Brother, do you by chance have a Facebook account? We could hook you up with the Beausant Brotherhood.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 22, 2010, 06:25:23 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 22, 2010, 08:59:57 PM
Many thanks. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on January 22, 2010, 11:26:15 PM
A grand natal day Brother!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on January 23, 2010, 11:09:57 AM
Many Happy returns Warrior Monk!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 23, 2010, 11:49:00 AM
Thanks all, I look forward to another year of exchanges between all of us!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on January 23, 2010, 10:36:46 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on January 22, 2010, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: SirMichael on January 21, 2010, 05:46:59 PM
Thanks! for all the info you pass on to each of us.

Brother, do you by chance have a Facebook account? We could hook you up with the Beausant Brotherhood.


I have facebook i want in...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on January 24, 2010, 01:07:08 AM
(http://www.sirclisto.com/test/grail.jpg)

Ok, I finally found it!!

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 26, 2010, 07:24:18 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 04, 2010, 08:28:56 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/ironclad-poster.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: joan of arc on February 04, 2010, 09:59:35 PM
The poster looks good.  :D

Quote from: Warrior Monk on February 04, 2010, 08:28:56 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 05, 2010, 07:19:24 PM
There are rumors that the fight scenes will be similar to that of the 300.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on February 05, 2010, 09:36:43 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on February 04, 2010, 08:28:56 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/ironclad-poster.jpg)


Ok so why the heck can't I look that cool in my stuff huh huh huh?????? I guess I'm gonna have to go make a movie.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: joan of arc on February 05, 2010, 10:10:53 PM

I bet you can. Just throw some dirt on you, look all tired with righteous indignation in your eyes and then use Photoshop for menacing clouds.

Quote from: SleepyArcher on February 05, 2010, 09:36:43 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on February 04, 2010, 08:28:56 PM
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Ok so why the heck can't I look that cool in my stuff huh huh huh?????? I guess I'm gonna have to go make a movie.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on February 06, 2010, 12:54:26 PM
Quote from: SleepyArcher on February 05, 2010, 09:36:43 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on February 04, 2010, 08:28:56 PM
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Ok so why the heck can't I look that cool in my stuff huh huh huh?????? I guess I'm gonna have to go make a movie.

Maybe you need more mud
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on February 07, 2010, 10:09:26 PM
That does look pretty cool
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 10, 2010, 08:11:54 AM
I'm sure some of us are familiar with the image provided from our brother Clovis de Lamotte .  For those that are not,  behold.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 18, 2010, 09:06:18 AM
http://i45.tinypic.com/t6uz39.jpg
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 18, 2010, 12:08:12 PM
FYI, apparently back in 1957 Campbell's soup used some of these cards as part of their art work:

http://cgi.ebay.ie/Saladin-Liebig-Cards-1957-Crusades-Richard-Lionheart_W0QQitemZ130353868852QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_Cigarette_Tea_GumCards_CA?hash=item1e59b23034
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 18, 2010, 04:16:16 PM
So..um...you gonna make a bid?  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 19, 2010, 05:51:53 PM
More impressive images from our Italian brothers

(http://i46.tinypic.com/mb3ji1.jpg)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/21lkj87.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 19, 2010, 09:05:24 PM
I offer a site with a free downloadable book that the Brethren and Sisters of this thread might enjoy:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24277708/Armies-and-Enemies-of-the-Crusades-1096-1291
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 20, 2010, 08:01:26 AM
Very Nice find frere Cliff, seeing how one couldn't find the book for less than $112.00 used!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 20, 2010, 08:54:35 AM
A little Maltese Cross 101


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The Maltese Cross – it is universally agreed that the four arms of the Cross stand for the four Cardinal Virtues – namely; prudence, temperance, justice and fortitude. For the eight points and the meanings given is not so straight forward. Various authorities give differing meanings to the eight points.

The original version will be the Beatitudes as given by the Lord Jesus Christ, in the fifth Chapter of the Gospel of Matthew;


1. Blessed are the poor in spirit; for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
2. Blessed are those who mourn; for they shall be comforted.
3. Blessed are the meek; for they shall inherit the earth.
4. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness; for they shall be satisfied.
5. Blessed are the merciful; for they shall obtain mercy.
6. Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God.
7. Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the children of God.
8. Blessed are those who suffer persecution for righteousness' sake; for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

However, two other lists have been found during the research for this paper which are variations of the beatitudes;

In one document the eight obligations of the Knights are given as:

To live in truth.   To have faith.      To be sincere.   To give proof of humility.  To love justice.  To be merciful.   To endure persecution.  To repent of sin.

A similar list with slightly differing wording has also been found;

Spiritual Joy;  to live without malice;  to weep over your sins;  to humble yourself to those who injure you;  to love justice;  to be merciful;  to be sincere and pure of heart;  and to suffer persecution.


Crosses  (http://www.orderstjohn.org/osj/cross04.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on February 20, 2010, 10:12:03 PM
Great Information Sir William. Grammercy! And to you as well Warrior Monk for the find on the book.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 24, 2010, 08:01:01 PM
I have witnessed through our European Brethren an event and what I hope it will look like someday for those Brothers of these Renforums thread.

Behold......

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/25986_325622414215_587334215_333845.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 24, 2010, 08:03:43 PM
Thanks Brother William, and a little more for those that need a Cross to bear...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on February 26, 2010, 07:19:33 AM
Sir William as always you never seem to amaze me with your vast knowledge. I will however let it be known I am now in waiting for the reception of my new chainmail. and breastplate/backplate. Come March 27th at the Castleteers I will be ready for new pictures with your brother and yourself. Looking forward to getting some great shots this year.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 26, 2010, 09:01:52 AM
Breastplate/backplate?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on February 26, 2010, 11:10:07 PM
 

I think he means the two halves front and back. It would suck with just one sticking into you when trying to wear it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 28, 2010, 03:39:37 PM
FYI:

I see a possible gathering spot in the future!

http://ozarkmedievalfortress.com/
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on February 28, 2010, 03:46:03 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on February 26, 2010, 09:01:52 AM
Breastplate/backplate?
yes for my armour. both  the front and back plates to cover my chainmail. Its like a medieval Kevlar vest but made of steel. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on February 28, 2010, 03:47:04 PM
Quote from: sir clisto on February 26, 2010, 11:10:07 PM


I think he means the two halves front and back. It would suck with just one sticking into you when trying to wear it.
Sir Clisto You have hit it right on the head> I know there is nothing I can get by you. :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on February 28, 2010, 03:47:47 PM
That Stronghold is going to be awesome!!! Can you imagine having a grand feast in the main hall of that place!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on February 28, 2010, 03:56:12 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on February 28, 2010, 03:39:37 PM
FYI:

I see a possible gathering spot in the future!

http://ozarkmedievalfortress.com/

As an operative Stone Mason I am half inclined to contact them as a Mentor and see about the Pay rate for someone with 30yrs experience. I have a Castle I am working on now and have been since I was a small child but, this could be even more educational toward a greater many.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on February 28, 2010, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: Sir Samuel on February 28, 2010, 03:46:03 PM
yes for my armour. both  the front and back plates to cover my chainmail. Its like a medieval Kevlar vest but made of steel. ;D

Quite familiar with it. I was just curious if you switched your colors from black and white to red & white.  To compliment the historical accuracy of your new armour.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 01, 2010, 10:16:52 AM
To see the Red and White in it's secondary application (primary combination of red and white colors will always go to the Order Primus "Templars") would be quite spectacular.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/32zry3q.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on March 02, 2010, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on February 28, 2010, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: Sir Samuel on February 28, 2010, 03:46:03 PM
yes for my armour. both the front and back plates to cover my chainmail. Its like a medieval Kevlar vest but made of steel. ;D

Quite familiar with it. I was just curious if you switched your colors from black and white to red & white. To compliment the historical accuracy of your new armour.
Not at all, I finally received my pretty silver chainmail today it will go very nicely under my black Hospitilars tunic. I may wait for the armor its will be at the castle for when I want it. I am still sticking with my Knights of St. John. The Masonic order I belong to is of course the same , therefore it would not be prudent for me to change up now. I am still waiting to purchase a set of shoes and pants to match the outfit. I found a seller on Ebay that hand makes the shoes for about $40 that's with shipping and the pants I am needing are around the same. I am soon to have my kit complete. If I am making any inaccuracies please let me know.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on March 03, 2010, 08:07:27 PM
Hey, I was going to ask where your Cod plate was? Talk about protection. LOL...

Lord Clisto

Quote from: Sir Samuel on February 28, 2010, 03:47:04 PM
Quote from: sir clisto on February 26, 2010, 11:10:07 PM


I think he means the two halves front and back. It would suck with just one sticking into you when trying to wear it.
Sir Clisto You have hit it right on the head> I know there is nothing I can get by you. :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 04, 2010, 05:41:58 AM
A translation of the Chinon Parchment that is showing up in several new books on the Templars:

http://www.inrebus.com/chinon.php


Sir Clisto, you might want to add this to your page.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on March 04, 2010, 10:05:56 PM
Thanks Warrior Monk, it will be a good addition to the templar section.

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on March 05, 2010, 04:25:45 AM
I have now added the link to my Tome of Knowledge website under the Templar section. I also updaed several other chapters as well.

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 05, 2010, 06:59:17 AM
FYI:

The newest edition of Military History magazine has an article covering the battle that will be seen in the movie: Ironclad.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on March 05, 2010, 08:39:00 PM
Yes, I have aready seen the info on this a while ago. Here are a few links to the movie information -

Based on actual events, the movie follows James Purefoy as a member of the formidable Knights Templar and his "Magnificent Seven" who defend Rochester Castle against King John (Paul Giamatti) and his army in 13th century England.  It is the year 1215 and the rebel barons of England have forced their despised King John to put his royal seal to the Magna Carta, a noble, seminal document that upheld the rights of free-men. Yet within months of pledging himself to the great charter, the King reneged on his word and assembled a mercenary army on the south coast of England with the intention of bringing the barons and the country back under his tyrannical rule. Barring his way stood the mighty Rochester castle, a place that would become the symbol of the rebel's momentous struggle for justice and freedom.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1233301/

http://www.empiremovies.com/2010/02/04/ironclad-movie-poster/

Lord Clisto

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 06, 2010, 06:09:05 PM
The issue is the "use" of Knights Templar to draw a crowd. They were not part of the 1215 seige. It will be interesting to see if the show the 40 pigs that help bring a tower of the fortress down so that King John's men can assault the defenders.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on March 07, 2010, 01:11:03 PM
Yes... I wonder how much they are going to be apart from the true facts. But since it is a medieval flick, I am still happy. They are far and few between these days.

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 07, 2010, 03:50:17 PM
Oh, I agree absolutely, and when you substitute Templars for Spartans in a last stand effort.....well....it's bound to be good!!  Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 09, 2010, 11:45:16 AM
With the knowledge that some of the memberes of this thread are "Gamers", I leave you with this tidbit...

I found and purchased this game today, hope to be "living it" by nightfall.....

http://www.amazon.com/XIII-Century-Gold-Pc/dp/B002E0JRK8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1268156620&sr=8-1
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on March 09, 2010, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: sir clisto on March 03, 2010, 08:07:27 PM
Hey, I was going to ask where your Cod plate was? Talk about protection. LOL...

Lord Clisto

Quote from: Sir Samuel on February 28, 2010, 03:47:04 PM
Quote from: sir clisto on February 26, 2010, 11:10:07 PM


I think he means the two halves front and back. It would suck with just one sticking into you when trying to wear it.
Sir Clisto You have hit it right on the head> I know there is nothing I can get by you. :D

Usually she is not too far away I tell ya.... :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 10, 2010, 07:54:40 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on March 09, 2010, 11:45:16 AM
With the knowledge that some of the memberes of this thread are "Gamers", I leave you with this tidbit...

I found and purchased this game today, hope to be "living it" by nightfall.....

http://www.amazon.com/XIII-Century-Gold-Pc/dp/B002E0JRK8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1268156620&sr=8-1


After Actions Review on XIII Century Gold Edition game. I would recommend that folks not spend their money on this game when the likes of Medieval Total War II is available.

This game is pretty limited in scope. Although the graphics are nice and controls are quite similar to MTW II, the game isn't as far reaching geographically speaking as MTW II.

Far less unit types are available, and you can always depend on another good expansion for MTW II. The Kingdoms expansion gives you the scope covered in XIII Century GE and more. There are also a lot of mod sites available online that support MTW II or the Rome Total War series, where you can download the Crusades mod.

Bottom line, it's a cool game, but too limited in focus for that time IMHO.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 12, 2010, 01:20:50 PM
Greetings Dear Brothers

I again apologize for my absence.  These past few months have been have been a true rollercoaster around here.  Over that time I've lost my mother to cancer, and welcomed my son into the world.  Extreme highs and lows, to be sure, and the seemingly endless snow only put a further coating of blah on everything.  However, with the thaw of the snow, the approach of the new faire season and some new reading material, I do see the light at the end of the tunnel.  I'm anxious to be out again in support of the Hospital, and perhaps to add the mantle of the Temple to resume this year. 

As always, my brothers...Deus lo Vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 12, 2010, 01:28:28 PM
Welcome back Brother. Very sad to hear of the happenings in your life, but joyed at the sound of your "rebirth" in to the Faire season as a Warrior Monk of one of the Orders.

Best wishes to you and yours!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on March 12, 2010, 08:13:11 PM
Sorry to hear about your Mother Brother. My prayers go out to you. And as well a new lite of your son to you more prayers and congradulations. Know you this, we all have your back, good sir.

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 13, 2010, 12:44:45 PM
Thank you Frere Cliff and Lord Clisto.  It does feel good to be back amongst you all.   
To share a little bit about my new Squire if I may.  We decided to name him appropriately for our favorite times and hobby, the faire of course.  He was thus named Balin Drake.  Balin for the Arthurian Knight and Dwarf of Middle Earth, and Drake for Sir Francis Drake and my love of the pirate.  Believe it or not, Balian ala KoH and Ibelin was actually the front runner for some time.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on March 13, 2010, 02:54:09 PM
Sir Marcus,

Greetings from the Relm of Mentor...I am sorry to hear about your loss but am happy to hear of your new squire. My thoughts and prayers are with you Brother. May your squire live to be as mighty a warrior and as wise & smart as his Knight (and father) is!!! Good luck to Squire Balin Drake. Huzzzzzzzzzzzah Princess Emma of Fayetteville sends her greeting to Squire Balin Drake. She has asked me to convay her blessings to him to grow and learn well.

Agis Quod Adis...Deus Lo Vult
(Do well what you do...God wills it!)

Sir Michael of Mentor
Knight Commander
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on March 14, 2010, 11:19:33 AM
Greetings Marcus, My deepest condolences on your loss and a great Huzzzzah on the birth of your new Squire. We shall be looking forward to seeing you at fair this year. If you happen to make it to Ohio. Till then may God continue to bless you and your house.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 14, 2010, 05:01:21 PM
Brother Marcus, Congratulations on your new addition! When time allows one must share images and a perhaps a name of this new heir to your throne!

My deepest condolences on your loss as well. Just over the last six months I lost a good friend that was a neighbor of mine for many years and I also lost my fishing partner due to cancer. 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 15, 2010, 07:21:24 PM
My thanks, Brothers.....Sir Michael, Sir Samuel and Sir William!  My condolences to you, Frere William on your losses.  They are never easy.

You asked for images, Brother William, and I deliver.  The Squire Balin Drake holding his first lightsaber.

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/IMG_0160.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 16, 2010, 08:59:16 AM
A most handsome lad he is.  Omg..lmao over the mini lightsaber!

Hail Sir Balin Drake!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 16, 2010, 02:12:57 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/24lo8t4.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on March 16, 2010, 06:36:10 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on March 16, 2010, 08:59:16 AM
A most handsome lad he is.  Omg..lmao over the mini lightsaber! quote]

It does make for a wondeful touch does it not?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 17, 2010, 02:59:46 PM
An interesting site to review for folks. The parts about the movies and inflated/modified histories is pretty good.

http://www.crusades-encyclopedia.com/index.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 17, 2010, 08:53:43 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on March 16, 2010, 02:12:57 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/24lo8t4.jpg)

NICE!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 17, 2010, 09:00:41 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on March 17, 2010, 02:59:46 PM
An interesting site to review for folks. The parts about the movies and inflated/modified histories is pretty good.

http://www.crusades-encyclopedia.com/index.html


Very nice.  I've spent much time reading through various topics tonight. Taking me away from my books, lol.

Currently reading The Templars

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/9780312555382.jpg)

and The Knights of Jerusalem

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/9781846030802.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 18, 2010, 05:22:56 AM
Both are good reads, the later especially for fans of the Hospitallers. It's broken down very well.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 18, 2010, 07:14:02 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/15q7xib.jpg)


http://www.curriculumunits.com/crucible/background/framesdemolay65.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 18, 2010, 01:49:16 PM
Brothers.....I am trying to track down one of the Tiberias/Jerusalem surcoats (and eventually capes) from Kingdom Of Heaven.  

(http://bekleidungskammer.de/images/tunica%20koenigreich%20des%20himmels%20jerusalem.jpg)

They seem to be the rarest of the KoH line and pretty hard to find.  I've found one online for $98, but the website doesn't appear to have been updated recently, and I've not gotten a reply to my email inquiry (its a earthlink email addy if that tells you anything!).  So, if you happen to come across one around the same price range, or know someone who has one that might be willing to sell, could you point me in the right direction?  Thanks!

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 18, 2010, 02:54:13 PM
You might seek out Sleepyarcher or Dead Bishop on these forums, they both have this attire you seek, and might part with them for the appropriate monetary compensation....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 19, 2010, 04:53:24 PM
It was a negative for both parties.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 19, 2010, 07:13:20 PM
That was just the first battle. Do not give up hope. I will continue to look....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on March 20, 2010, 03:43:14 AM
I have found some sites that still carry a few but you will 97-137.00 for it. Can't find the cape. If you want the sites let me know.

that is just too nice a tunic to give up, DB and I got ours when Museum Replicas clearanced them out
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 20, 2010, 11:15:17 AM
Quote from: SleepyArcher on March 20, 2010, 03:43:14 AM
I have found some sites that still carry a few but you will 97-137.00 for it. Can't find the cape. If you want the sites let me know.

Yes please.

There's currently a tunic/cape set on ebay, but at $400.  From what I've seen and heard, thats $150-$200 too much.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on March 20, 2010, 03:43:05 PM
Brother,

I too wear the Knights of Jersulem uniform. I got mine from Authentic Wardrobe. They come to the Great Lakes medieval Faire in Ohio each year and are trust worthy. They do not have the cape however. Their web site is www.authenticwardrobe.com

Good Hunting....Sine Labore nihil ( Nothing without work)



Sir Michael of Mentor

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 20, 2010, 05:40:33 PM
Ahh, Sir Michael.  Thank you.  As you have one, I must inquire...  Is it their own version or the licensed KoH 20th Century Fox release?  If it's their own, is the chest emblem metal like the KoH?  How is the sizing?  That's the one bad thing about the KoH line, the sizes were inconsistent. I have the L/XL in both the Ibelin and Hospitaller, and one fits more like a L and the other like a XXL.

The Lady of the Manor has granted me leave to bid on the auction, should that be my only option. I'm hoping to find another option before that ends however (2 days).  Regardless I've decided to liquidate myself of some garb from that galaxy far, far away to help fund my crusader passion. If you're interested in that branch of costuming feel free to drop me a pm.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 24, 2010, 09:21:29 AM
FYI: Episode 8 of BBC's Robin Hood season Three, has the Templars of Season Two escorting the fake dead body of King Richard.

For those that follow Hollywood's renditions of the Warrior Monks....... ;D


Brother Marcus, how did your purchase/bid adventure turn out?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 24, 2010, 10:17:10 AM
Very well actually, thank you.   Thank you all for your help.  I ordered from Maskworld in Germany.  They sold the pieces separately, or as a set, and of course the set was cheaper.  So hopefully I'll have them soon!

Thanks again, my Brothers!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 24, 2010, 10:18:25 AM
Good to hear! Can't wait to see the pictures.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 24, 2010, 11:10:10 AM
Plus!  My Star Wars costume sale has gone so well, I expect to order my Templar this week as well!  Looks like we'll be adding another cross to my area on the map soon!  Any suggestion as to that, my Templar brothers?  I was looking at, to stick with the theme, the KoH Templar....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 24, 2010, 11:54:43 AM
I would say that the KoH Templar image is the most widely recognized form at the faires/festivals, but there are other sources available for use if you'd like to leave that image and go for something else.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 24, 2010, 03:17:35 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2yydy86.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on March 24, 2010, 04:38:19 PM
Congrats to all of you for your efforts and convictions! Well done 

Deus Te Amat!

and I do too ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 26, 2010, 02:01:57 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on March 24, 2010, 11:54:43 AM
I would say that the KoH Templar image is the most widely recognized form at the faires/festivals, but there are other sources available for use if you'd like to leave that image and go for something else.

That's what I figured.  I went with the KoH image to start, and when the time comes that I want a more accurate representation (cause it's just a matter of when, not if!) it will give the wife something new to sew.  She's the one who sewed my first Hospitaller.  
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 26, 2010, 02:03:00 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on March 24, 2010, 03:17:35 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2yydy86.jpg)

Deus lo Vult!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 26, 2010, 07:51:53 AM
I was a big fan of Robert E. Howard's CONAN series when I was growing up, and wasn't aware that he'd done a short story in the same fashion of writing on the Crusades, in the time of Sultan Baybars.

I leave you all with this, which includes Templars, Teutonic Knights, and the Order of St John.........

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Sowers_of_Thunder
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on March 26, 2010, 01:24:28 PM
Many moons back we were discussing this helmet...


(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/pyrateguy/012.jpg)


I remember one of us said they knocked the face off a transitional helm to get the look.  How did that ever turn out?  Is it worth doing?  I'm considering picking up one to do the same to perhaps.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 26, 2010, 03:03:52 PM
I did it to my helm. It came out pretty nice. I wore it to the Carolina Renfest last year. I'll post a photo tonight.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 26, 2010, 03:50:43 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on March 24, 2010, 03:17:35 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2yydy86.jpg)

GOD WILLS IT!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on March 26, 2010, 08:03:59 PM
INDEED!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: angusmacinnes on March 26, 2010, 08:33:15 PM
About time.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 01, 2010, 07:59:15 AM
Fellow Brothers, Sisters, and pilgrims of the thread, lend me your ears........

Confrere Owen,

By your refusal to take anything for granted, like Pirates, Highlanders, or Ninjas are the coolest, and your skepticism toward conventional and mundane lifestyles, you have succeeded in exemplifying the principles behind the institutional structure of OUR Order. You have remarkably improved our understanding of the way the younger generations think - although it took some time for the rest of us to realize it. On behalf of the Renaissance Forums Order of Warrior Monks, I congratulate you warmly and sincerely. May I ask you to receive, from the hands of this humble servant of the Order, this year's first recognition with the Award of the Confrere Title.


(http://i41.tinypic.com/8xm1ih.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Femme Falchion on April 01, 2010, 08:44:35 AM
This is quite an honor Warrior Monk, as his current guardian I accept the title on my charge's behalf and gratefully turn him over to the Temple.  I assume that his formal training will begin in a few short weeks at GARF.  As you know, Confrere Owen's gravitation towards the Templar path has been quite organic.....


(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn296/adurso/IMG_3138.jpg)


he wears his fallen brother's hat to mock him.....and note the figurine he holds in his hand.....

I extend warm spring greetings to all the Brothers here.   :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on April 01, 2010, 08:29:35 PM
My dearest Brothers and Sisters,

My ward, Princess Emma  has asked me to send you all her royal wishes for a Happy Easter.

I also send this message along with a special note to Confrere Owen,

Good luck with your training as a brother templer...I pray that God watchs over you and provides you with the skills to become a great Knight. With Warrior Monk as a trainer, you will surely do well. Good Luck my lil Brother....Dues Lo Vult!!!!!!

Sir Michael of Mentor
Knight Commander
EOHSJ
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 01, 2010, 10:28:43 PM
Good Sir Michael of Mentor,

Tell your ward, the dear Princess Emma the same to her. Tis the tyme of atonement indeed. Well... at least for a day before going back out to do as we do as God Wills it. May your day be filled with family and friends.

As for me, I still have two days left before sheathing my sword for that day. I might as well put it to good use in the meantime. It's so hard keeping the blood of my enemy from soiling it... Hahahaha......

GOD WILLS IT!!!

Lord Clisto, Duke of York,
Knight of the Holy Blade of York
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 02, 2010, 06:46:50 AM
Quote from: SirMichael on April 01, 2010, 08:29:35 PM
With Warrior Monk as a trainer, you will surely do well.

Brother, I am merely helping the lad develop his "Inner Warrior Monk". I have yet to suggest that his parents use the Following Orders thread to help teach the lad how to read, and in so doing assist in his understanding and development with regards to all things Crusades and Crusading Orders related. ;D

If we can save just one, we're successful! :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on April 02, 2010, 05:37:23 PM
Happy Easter to all my fellow Knights,Squires and Jousters. Hope you all have a safe and happy time with friends and family.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 03, 2010, 03:38:45 AM
A well Easter to all too.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 03, 2010, 10:35:42 AM

Was watching Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame with the Princess this morning and saw the following items. Are they a subliminal message of the Templars? Notre Dame was near the sight of the execution of the last Master of the Temple Jacques de Molay, or France being the major contributor of manpower to the Order.

Could it have been a reference to the illegal and unwarranted persecution of the Order, symbolized by the Gypsies in the movie? A reference to the roaming and geographically diverse demographics of the Order.


Map scene: (note the destination icon)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Map-1.jpg)

Tomb Scene 1:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Tombscene.jpg)

Tomb Scene 2:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Tombscene2.jpg)

Tomb Scene 3:
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Tombscene3.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on April 03, 2010, 10:36:24 PM
Warrior Monk,

If memory serves me correctly, wasn't Master de Molay allowed to be pointed toward Notre Dame Cathederal and his hands tied so he could pray when he was burned at the stake during his execution?

Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 04, 2010, 07:09:34 AM
On this Brother you are correct, except that he asked if his hands could be untied to allow for prayer whilst facing in this direction.

NEW BOOK ALERT: Picked up Helen Nicholson's A Brief History of the Knights Templar, not to be confused with her book:The Knights Templar, A New History.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 06, 2010, 10:10:05 AM
King Richard I of England died today in 1199.

Richard was famous for his activities during the Third Crusade, having never lost a battle against Saladin.

King Richard I confirmed the Templars' land holdings and granted them immunity from all pleas, suits danegeld and from murdrum and latrocinium in England.

He remained a close friend of the Order during his time in power.


(http://i41.tinypic.com/qzn7n6.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on April 06, 2010, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on March 26, 2010, 03:03:52 PM
I did it to my helm. It came out pretty nice. I wore it to the Carolina Renfest last year. I'll post a photo tonight.


Where is this picture you speak of?????
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 06, 2010, 07:05:46 PM
Quote from: SleepyArcher on April 06, 2010, 02:35:29 PM
Where is this picture you speak of?????


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Sub-MarshalCRF2009-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on April 06, 2010, 07:49:53 PM
DAMN
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 06, 2010, 11:55:13 PM
Very interesting!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 07, 2010, 02:13:51 PM
An alteration, compliments from our fellow brethren of France.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/15304_108473305852574_1000006971407.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 07, 2010, 05:26:04 PM
The Blessed Gerard is smiling!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on April 07, 2010, 07:01:32 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on April 06, 2010, 07:05:46 PM
Quote from: SleepyArcher on April 06, 2010, 02:35:29 PM
Where is this picture you speak of?????


(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/Sub-MarshalCRF2009-1.jpg)

did you get a new scabbard?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 07, 2010, 07:31:54 PM
No. I have the scabbards of Reynald, Tiberius, and Ibelin. I just put dirrent blades in the first two for combinations.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on April 07, 2010, 10:23:07 PM
Sweet photo enhancement job!


Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 07, 2010, 02:13:51 PM
An alteration, compliments of some of our fellow brethren of France.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/15304_108473305852574_1000006971407.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 08, 2010, 12:16:37 AM
Quote from: Lord Magnus on April 07, 2010, 10:23:07 PM
Sweet photo enhancement job!


Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 07, 2010, 02:13:51 PM
An alteration, compliments of some of our fellow brethren of France.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/15304_108473305852574_1000006971407.jpg)

Agreed!  Thats awesome....especially with you being Hospitallers!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 08, 2010, 12:07:35 PM
In an effort to ensure that the full spectrum of our Orders are addressed, and that I've been made aware of some possible interest in this avenue by some certain thread members ;), I give you this possible look at a Templar Turcopole.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/a0ghw1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on April 08, 2010, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on April 08, 2010, 12:07:35 PM
In an effort to ensure that the full spectrum of our Orders are addressed, and that I've been made aware of some possible interest in this avenue by some certain thread members ;), I give you this possible look at a Templar Turcopole.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/a0ghw1.jpg)


Looks Good to me  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 08, 2010, 12:35:28 PM
WM you planning to wear that to Garf
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 08, 2010, 12:42:06 PM
The photo is not me, and no I wouldn't. I leave that attire to the professionals. :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 08, 2010, 07:21:36 PM
Professionals? LOL!!! I always knew that real knights still existed today. Now, if I could only find one. I hear there has been video, but it is always to shakey to make out any real detail.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on April 09, 2010, 12:09:53 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on April 07, 2010, 07:31:54 PM
No. I have the scabbards of Reynald, Tiberius, and Ibelin. I just put dirrent blades in the first two for combinations.


Is it ok to be envious of you???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 09, 2010, 05:22:47 AM
I snatched a couple of them during Museum Replicas' summer sale a few years back, before the line of products stopped being produced.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 10, 2010, 09:14:08 AM
Say this to the tune of Steve Martin's phonebook bit from "The Jerk"


Jerusalem is here!  Jerusalem is here!   

It finally arrived and fits well, my Brothers.  I want to thank you all for the help in tracking down this set.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 10, 2010, 12:21:13 PM
This is grand news indeed! When do we see the first portraits?


BTW: Picked up a new book for the personal library today: Holy Warriors, A Modern History of the Crusades; Jonathan Phillips
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 10, 2010, 03:51:35 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on April 10, 2010, 12:21:13 PM
This is grand news indeed! When do we see the first portraits?


BTW: Picked up a new book for the personal library today: Holy Warriors, A Modern History of the Crusades; Jonathan Phillips

Once my sword belt arrives, I plan on taking new pictures in all of my garb.

I got a 2 new tomes yesterday as well... "The Crusades: The Authoritative History of the War for the Holy Land" by Thomas Asbridge and  "Knights In History and Legend" by Constance Bouchard.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 10, 2010, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: Marcus of Ibelin on April 10, 2010, 03:51:35 PM
Once my sword belt arrives, I plan on taking new pictures in all of my garb.

I got a 2 new tomes yesterday as well... "The Crusades: The Authoritative History of the War for the Holy Land" by Thomas Asbridge and  "Knights In History and Legend" by Constance Bouchard.

I have Bouchard's book, and Asbridge's work is next on my History Book club order list. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 10, 2010, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on April 10, 2010, 03:55:07 PM
I have Bouchard's book, and Asbridge's work is next on my History Book club order list. ;D

Funny!  I got both from the Military Book Club!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 11, 2010, 09:38:08 AM
Congrats brother Marcus on your newly acquired colors & reads. We are looking forward to the new images as well.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/templari101.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 12, 2010, 03:44:17 PM
Sunday, April 18, 2010
____________________________________________________


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Stuff/hi_header.jpg)


7-8pm -- Lost Worlds - Knights Templar.

They defended the Holy Land through bloodshed and prayer. Founded in the 12th century, these Christian warrior monks reigned supreme for nearly 200 years before suffering a spectacular fall from grace. Tried for heresy, they were disbanded and their Grand Master burned at the stake. We'll search behind the legend for their lost world. We recreate the city they knew as Tortosa--now hidden among modern homes in the Syrian city of Tartus. We reveal secrets of their headquarters at Temple Mount in Jerusalem, with magnificent underground vaults that could stable 1,000 horses. And we visit the circular church in London built to resemble the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and the site of the Templar's mysterious initiation rites. We bring to life the hilltop fortress that Lawrence of Arabia called "the finest castle in the world", and return to the Mediterranean island where the Knights Templar made their last stand against Moslem enemies.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 12, 2010, 05:20:18 PM
I should be back in time to see this.....again..... ;) ;D



For this opening weekend at GARF, I will try for as close as I can to the following representations:

Saturday: (although I'll sport a heater instead of a kite)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/RM-54-61_1.jpg)


Sunday: (my sword belt designs only support the sword over the left shoulder)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/veteranotemplar_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 12, 2010, 06:00:01 PM
Escorting and protecting pilgrims in the Southeastern Outremer is thirsty work, so I have added the following accessory to my kit....

(http://i39.tinypic.com/359g3na.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 13, 2010, 10:19:35 AM
Very nice!  I wish you well on opening weekend, Brother.  I unfortunately must wait another few weeks until my first faire of the season. 

Going back to the pic of your modified helmet...did you put an edging on the bottom of the helm?  There appears to be a lip of some sort.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2010, 10:43:02 AM
I applied a simple car door edge protector around the bottom. They also worked well around the bottom of my great helm.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 13, 2010, 11:10:50 AM
Ahh, that's what I suspected! 

I bought mine today.  :)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2010, 11:51:30 AM
Good luck!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Marcus of Ibelin on April 13, 2010, 12:24:37 PM
Did you use the black edging or did you find a silver/gray one?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2010, 12:33:25 PM
My helmet was dark to begin with, so I used a black edging.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on April 13, 2010, 04:03:17 PM
Gentlemen It is good to stop by and read this thread. I just need to do it more often. So much has been passed. But I see alot of wonderful things going on and a New protege` on the rise of Templars. I trust all had a great HOLIDAY. I will be attending  TNRen if any are heading down for opening weekend of the 1-2 of may I shalll see you there.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2010, 09:19:28 AM
It's funny......the casual banter of this thread about conversion, and excommunications....all in good fun, but my recent visit to the Georgia Renaissance Festival provided me the opportunity to explore a little more one of these topics: conversion.
We're all familiar by now of the three primary Military Orders of the Crusades, (you'd better be, if you've read them from post #1 to this point), so I'd like to share a little info on the concept of "Conversion" of distant populations, pagans, heretics, and any others I might have missed as it pertains to the Military Orders.

The following information (with some of my personal notes placed in it) is from the:

Journal of Medieval History 28 (2002) 1–22
The military orders and the conversion of Muslims in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries
by Alan Forey

Descriptions of the activities of military orders only rarely included any reference to the
conversion of Muslims, and in practice the orders did not seek to impose Christianity by force.
They were at times also reluctant to allow voluntary conversions among their Muslim vassals
and slaves, although claims that they sought to prevent Muslims in neighbouring Islamic territories
from accepting Christianity are questionable. The explanation of the attitudes displayed
by the orders is not to be found in the fear of losing their raison d'eˆtre or in the extent of
their understanding of the Islamic faith: they were adopting current attitudes, which were based
on economic advantage and probably also on perceptions of the nature of Islamic society. As
more attention came to be devoted in the West to missionary work, some criticised the orders'
military activities for hindering peaceful missions, while it was also argued — for example
by Lull — that the orders should engage in the work of conversion, using force as well as
preaching. But the writings of theorists had little practical effect.


The warfare to which military orders devoted themselves in Mediterranean lands
during the twelfth and thirteenth centuries was seen to serve various purposes. In
some documents stress was placed on fighting as a means of salvation for brethren:
'they do not fear to shed their own blood as martyrs, and thus rejoice eventually to
end their lives for God alone'.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2010, 09:20:01 AM
The practical objective was most frequently described
as defence, both of territories and of the Church and the faithful: some scribes likened
the orders to a wall or a shield. Yet military orders were also seen to be fighting
a war of vengeance and expansion. The latter task was usually said to involve the
freeing of parts of the Church from subjection and the recovery of lands which had
earlier been seized from Christians. Charters of donation not only include generalised
comments about expansion but also at times in the Iberian peninsula refer to assistance
given in particular campaigns and to possible conquests by the orders themselves.


It has been argued, however, that a handful of royal charters also envisage the
converting of non-Christians by the Templars and Hospitallers. A grant was made
to the Hospitallers in the middle of the twelfth century by Raymond Berenguer IV,
count of Barcelona, 'for propagating (propagandam) the faith and religion of holy
Christianity', and of the Templars it was said by Peter II of Aragon in 1208 that
'wherever the religion of the Christian faith thrives, they devote themselves to its
propagation (propagationi) and defence'. Similar statements may be found in the
documentation of Spanish military orders. In 1171 Fernando II of Leon asserted that
the brothers of Santiago had undertaken to fight against the infidel 'for extending
(dilatanda) the faith of Christ', and in the same year the archbishop of Compostela,
in favouring the same order, said that he wished 'to propagate (propagare) ... and
extend (dilatare) the faith and Church of God', while in 1231 Gregory IX referred
to the zeal which the brothers of Calatrava 'are known to have for the propagation
(propagationem) of the Christian cult'.

Yet it is questionable whether such statements were meant to refer to any involvement
of the military orders in conversion, especially as some of those making them
showed no interest themselves in winning Muslims over to Christianity. The Christian
faith could be extended in various ways which did not involve conversion: it
could, for example, be a consequence of the expulsion of infidels or the removal at

least of their rulers. Some documents relating to military orders do in fact refer to
such expulsions: the count of Barcelona in 1143 made concessions to the Templars
partly 'for the expelling of the race of Moors', and when in 1172 a group of inhabitants
of Avila associated themselves with the order of Santiago, they proposed to
extend their activities to Morocco 'when the Saracens have been driven from the
parts of Spain on this side of the sea'. The exiling of Muslims in fact characterised
some conquests both in the Holy Land and in the Iberian peninsula.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2010, 09:21:14 AM
Although the relevance to conversion of charters which allude to the propagation
or expansion of Christianity may be questioned, a very few twelfth-and early thirteenth-
century sources do explicitly seek to link military orders with the converting
of Muslims. Alexander III's confirmation of the order of Santiago issued in 1175
contains the injunction: 'in their warfare they should devote themselves to this objective
alone, namely either to protect Christians from their [the Saracens'] attacks or
to be in a position to induce them [the Saracens] to follow the Christian faith'. This
statement was incorporated into the rule of Santiago and was also included in later
confirmations of Alexander's bull. In 1088 Urban II had sought to promote the
conversion of conquered Muslims in Spain 'by word and example', but cardinal
Albert of Morra, who was responsible for the 1175 bull, did not elaborate on his
precise meaning and the later sources are no more explicit. As Humbert of Romans
pointed out a century later, force might serve in various ways to further conversion:
conquest facilitated preaching to subjugated infidels — although missionary activity
was in practice more characteristic of the thirteenth than of the twelfth century —
and serious setbacks in battle could help to weaken the faith of Muslims. Baptism
could also be imposed by force; but in view of canonical opinion, it is unlikely that
Albert of Morra was advocating this method. The statements about Santiago have
nevertheless been linked with comments made by the Cistercian abbot Isaac de l'Etoile,
who in a sermon referred to a new order (novus ordo) which 'with lances and
cudgels forces unbelievers to the faith'. He saw the new foundation as using force
to convert. A chronicler of St Martin of Tours similarly asserted that the French
king, Philip II, left money to the Templars and Hospitallers to hire mercenaries 'who
would convert the usurpers of the promised land and recall them to the unity of the
faith'. Yet, while this writer named the two leading military orders, the identity of
the foundation to which Isaac de l'Etoile was referring has been disputed. If — as
has been argued — this sermon was delivered when Isaac was still abbot of l'Etoile,
it was written before the foundation of Santiago and could not refer to that establishment.
It has been suggested that the phrase 'new order' harked back to the term
'new militia' (nova militia), which St Bernard used of the Templars, and Isaac de
l'Etoile's comment has been taken to refer to them. Yet St Bernard was writing a
generation earlier. If Isaac was referring to a particular order, the foundation in question
was probably Calatrava, which became affiliated to the Cistercians and which
received rulings from the Cistercian general chapter in 1164. It is, of course, also
possible that he was referring to the military order as an institution, rather than to
a particular foundation: but, at a time when there were several military orders in
existence, he referred to an order, rather than to a type of order.

One reason which has sometimes been advanced for not associating Isaac de l'Etoile's
comment with the Temple or Calatrava is that these two orders did not seek
to impose baptism by force. Yet in fact none of the military orders confronting
Islam sought to promote conversion directly by force in the way that members of
military orders in the Baltic region in the thirteenth century sought to impose Christianity on pagans.
Isaac de l'Etoile and the Tours chronicler both lived far from
Christian frontiers, and were not well-informed about the orders' functions in Mediterranean
lands. Although chansons de geste allude to forced conversions and
although during the first crusade there had been attempts to coerce Muslims to accept
baptism, these were not imitated. The master of Calatrava, Martin Pe´rez de Siones,
is reported to have ordered the slaughter of more than 200 Muslim captives in 1170,
but this was not because they had refused to become Christian. In Mediterranean
regions the military orders gained authority over Muslims, both free and slave, but
did not coerce them to become Christian either at the time of conquest or later:
Muslims who passed under the lordship of the orders were allowed to keep their
religion, as happened on other estates. Although little detailed information survives
about the orders' vassals in the Holy Land, it is clear that Muslims living under
western rule there were allowed to preserve their faith, even if they did lose some
mosques. Any members of the Teutonic order who were transferred in the thirteenth
century from the Holy Land to the Baltic therefore found themselves confronted by
a very different situation. The religious freedom allowed by the orders to Muslims
in the Iberian peninsula is apparent from surrender agreements and cartas de poblacio
´n. In the charter granted by the Templars in 1234 at Chivert in northern Valencia,
shortly after it had passed into Christian hands, Muslim tenants were allowed to
retain their main mosque and to practise their religion freely. Similar terms were
conceded by the Hospitallers to Muslims at La Aldea, on the left bank of the Ebro
near Tortosa, in 1258. These agreements were, moreover, intended to be permanent:
the military orders did not envisage that there would in the future be any attempt
to limit religious freedom.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2010, 09:21:36 AM
Yet if the orders did not seek to impose Christianity by force, it must also be
considered whether they encouraged and promoted conversion by peaceful means,
or sought to hinder it. Those whom the orders could most easily influence were their
own Muslim vassals and slaves. Little evidence survives about the orders' Muslim
vassals in the Holy Land. In the 1260s the author of De constructione castri Saphet
argued that the rebuilding of the castle meant that 'the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ
can be preached freely in all the aforesaid places [in the region of Safed] and the
blasphemy of Muhammad can be publicly refuted and demolished in sermons'; but
he was just expressing an aspiration, not commenting on Templar policy.

More precise evidence survives from Spain, although the extent of the free Muslim
population varied from one region to another: in the Campo de Calatrava, for
example, there were hardly any free Muslims on the estates belonging to the order
of Calatrava. Military orders were clearly in some cases reluctant to allow Muslim
tenants to convert, and penalised them for doing so by confiscating their land. Some
Muslim tenants paid higher rents than Christians and were obliged to perform labour
services from which Christian vassals were exempt: this was acknowledged by James
I of Aragon in his Chronicle, and is evident on Templar estates at Villastar in southern
Aragon, where Muslims were in 1267 to pay a quarter of produce in rent, whereas
Christian settlers there paid only a seventh on some crops; and some Muslim vassals
of the Temple in southern Aragon and Valencia owed labour services, while
there is little evidence of such obligations among Christian tenants in these districts.
James I had decreed in 1242 that Muslim converts should not be deprived of their
land, but, although this ruling was later repeated and supported by papal decrees,
it was not fully implemented on Templar or other estates. Berenguer of San Marcial,
who was Templar commander of Asco´ on the lower Ebro in the opening years of
the fourteenth century, confiscated all the possessions of a Muslim woman at Vinebre
who converted to Christianity. This incident has left a record only because Templar
lands passed shortly afterwards under royal control and an appeal was made to the
Crown: there is no reason to assume that it was exceptional. It is therefore unlikely
that the military orders in Aragonese lands reacted favourably to royal instructions
that Muslims should be obliged to listen to the preaching undertaken in the thirteenth
century by friars. The obligation of ensuring attendance rested mainly on the Muslims
themselves and on royal officials, rather than lords, but the latter could obviously
influence the response of their vassals. Certainly at the end of the thirteenth century
sizeable communities of free Muslims continued to live on some of the Templars'
estates in the Corona de Arago´n: the population of Miravet, for example, was still
predominantly Muslim at the time of the Templars' arrest.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2010, 09:21:59 AM
Yet the practice of confiscating converts' property was not the custom in all parts
of Spain. Although decrees similar to that issued by James I in 1242 were also
enacted in Castile, indicating that confiscations sometimes occurred, fueros issued
by military orders in that kingdom reveal that in various places converts were allowed
to retain their possessions: that granted by the order of Santiago to Ucle´s in 1179,
for example, stated that 'men of Ucle´s who become converts can, if they have sons,
bequeath their possessions to them after death'. But there is no evidence to suggest
that the military orders sought to encourage conversion of their free Muslim vassals
in any part of the Peninsula. They seem to have been more concerned to protect
their Muslim tenants — whether by building walls around morer´ias or by judicial
action — against attacks by a hostile Christian populace.

There was similarly little readiness to promote the baptism of slaves. Since in the
Holy Land in the early thirteenth century it was the custom that emancipation should
accompany baptism, lords — including the military orders — often refused to allow
slaves to convert, partly because conversion was viewed by some slaves merely as
a means to secure freedom, but also, of course, because slaves provided manpower
and could be a source of profit through sale or redemption. The possible release
of slaves could also at times be used as a bargaining counter in negotiations with
neighbouring Muslim powers. James of Vitry condemned Christian lords who
adopted a hostile stance to the conversion of slaves, and that the military orders
were among them is implied by a letter sent in 1237 by Gregory IX to the patriarch
of Jerusalem and to the masters of the three leading military orders, stating that those
slaves who genuinely aspired to baptism should be allowed to convert, but should
not thereby lose their servile status. The Hospitallers do not appear, however, to
have sought to facilitate conversion in the period following the papal decree, for a
statute issued in 1262 ruled that no slave should be baptised without the special
permission of the master, although that did not imply that no slaves at all would
be allowed to become Christian.

The Hospitaller decree applied not only to the Holy Land but also to Spain.
Although it seems earlier to have been the custom in some parts of the Peninsula
for converted slaves to be freed, in the later thirteenth century baptism no longer
ensured emancipation, and could no longer be resisted by lords on the grounds that
it led to a loss of slaves. There were certainly a number of baptised slaves on
Templar estates in Aragon in the later thirteenth century: baptizati belonging to the
Templars are mentioned both in inventories of conventual possessions drawn up in
Aragon in 1289 and in records relating to the Templar trial there. As all recorded
purchases of slaves by the Templars in north-eastern Spain were of Muslims, it
might be postulated that the Order did not prevent its slaves from converting. But
not all instruments of sale have survived, and there was certainly a market in baptised
slaves. Although in the thirteenth century the proportion of baptizati among slaves
in Barcelona was growing, the Aragonese Templars certainly do not seem to have
taken measures to encourage the conversion of Muslim slaves, for the numbers of
baptizati on their estates appear to have been small: at Miravet in 1289 there were
forty-three Muslim slaves and only two baptizati. Although evidence about other
military orders in Spain is sparse, they are similarly known to have possessed baptizati,
but it is not clear whether these slaves were Christians when they were acquired
by the orders.

Although the evidence is limited — further research may reveal new information
scattered among the surviving sources — it is clear that in some cases the orders
sought to impede the baptism of both slaves and free Muslim tenants, and there is
little to indicate that the military orders sought to promote the conversion of those
under their authority. They did not themselves have the personnel to instruct potential
converts — the role of brother chaplains was merely to provide for the spiritual
welfare of their colleagues — but there were other ways in which conversion could
have been encouraged by the orders. A late-medieval prose version of These´us de
Cologne has the Templars rejoicing when more than 12,000 Muslims were converted
in a recaptured Jerusalem: 'the Templars displayed great joy'; but in reality the
orders' approach to the baptism of Muslims in Christian lands seems to have been
lacking in enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2010, 09:22:22 AM
It has been claimed that in the East the Templars on occasion also sought to
prevent Muslims of neighbouring Islamic states from converting when they wished
to become Christian. Two well-known instances are reported by William of Tyre,
and his claims are echoed by Walter Map. The first occurred in 1154, when Nasr,
the son of the Egyptian vizir Abbas, was captured on the road out of Egypt into
Palestine and fell into the hands of the Templars. William of Tyre related that while
Nasr was in captivity he sought baptism and was instructed in the elements of the
Christian faith; the Templars, however, then agreed to ransom him for 60,000 dinars
and he was returned to Egypt, where he was killed. Lundgreen, whose argument
has been taken up by more recent writers, claimed that as Nasr was taken on 7 June
1154 and was back in Cairo only four days later he could hardly have made the progress
towards Christianity which William of Tyre postulated.
It would, however, be very surprising if a ransom had been arranged
and the return journey completed in so short a time, and in fact the thirteenth-century
writer, Ibn Khallikan, who provides precise dating about Nasr's later movements,
places his return in the year 1155. There would therefore have been sufficient
time for the kind of instruction to which William of Tyre alludes.
It can, of course, be objected that the chronicler was not in the East in 1154–5, and
that he was hostile to the Templars: but his report may not have been a complete
fabrication, even if Nasr's interest in Christianity may have been feigned. Yet, if
William of Tyre's account is taken at its face value, he is implying that, until they
were offered a large ransom, the Templars were prepared to allow the instruction in
Christian teaching of a captive: they were not taking the initiative, but were not
opposing baptism. In the last resort, however, financial considerations could not be
ignored. It is only Walter Map who argues that the Templars remained totally deaf
to Nasr's pleas to be allowed baptism; but he was writing in the West, and his
whole account is less plausible than that of William of Tyre.  

(This event is covered in Helen Nicholson's latest book on the Templars and describes Nasr as being executed by his fellow people upon his ransom from the Templars by crucifixtion, thus leading some "haters" of the Order's efforts as a sign that he'd already adopted Christianity, even though this slow and painful method of execution was well known in these parts for many years and not relegated to just Christians.)


The second instance concerns the incident when a Templar killed an envoy of the
Assassins in 1173. William of Tyre reported that the leader of the Assassins had
studied Christian writings: he and his followers therefore rejected the teachings of
Muhammad. Then, wishing to learn more of Christian doctrines, he sent an envoy
to the king of Jerusalem with the proposal that, if he was released from his obligation
to pay the Templars a tribute of 2,000 dinars a year, he and his followers would
accept baptism. Amaury welcomed the proposal and even agreed to pay the tribute
from his own revenues. On his return journey, however, the envoy was killed by
the Templar Walter of Mesnil, with the approval of his colleagues. A shorter but
similar account is provided by Walter Map, although he does express some reservations
about the accuracy of such reports. Lundgreen has pointed out that, as it
stands, the story told by William of Tyre does contain certain implausibilities, and
it seems to be based on misconceptions about religious changes among the Assassins.
The chronicler's interpretation has its origin in the declaration of the qiyama or
resurrection by the Ismaili leader Hasan II in 1164, but William misunderstood what
he had heard, and assumed that the Assassins were moving towards Christianity.
It was presumably this assumption which led him to believe that the embassy to
Amaury was concerned with the acceptance of the Christian faith. It has admittedly
been argued that William of Tyre had access to Amaury's version of events and that
his account reflects the royal point of view; but William reported Amaury's willingness
to assume responsibility for the payment to the Templars as merely a rumour
(ut dicitur). He was therefore not as fully informed as claimed. It would seem that
the embassy sent by Sinan, the leader of the Syrian Assassins, was of a political,
rather than a religious, nature, and the Templars feared the loss of tribute. The episode
cannot be cited as a clear indication of reluctance on the part of the Templars
to allow the conversion of Jerusalem's opponents.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2010, 09:22:51 AM
The Templars were criticised not only for preventing conversion but also for displaying
undue tolerance of Islamic religious practices and allowing these to be
observed even in the order's houses. Frederick II, writing in 1244, claimed that he
had heard from some journeying from the East that 'the Templars allowed the afore
said sultans [of Damascus and Kerak] and their followers to perform their superstitious
practices, invoking the name of Muhammad, within the precincts of houses
of the Temple'. This is obviously a second-hand report from a ruler who was not a
friend of the Templars, and it has been maintained that Matthew Paris, who reproduced
the emperor's letter in his Chronica majora, dismissed the charges in his
Historia Anglorum and Abbreviatio, although it would be more accurate to say that
he did not repeat them. This story may well have been inaccurate, but in the later
twelfth century Usamah related that on one occasion the Templars vacated a small
church adjoining the Templar headquarters (the former al-Aqsa mosque) so that he
could pray in it, and also intervened when a recently-arrived Frank repeatedly tried
to force him to pray to the east. The Templars do not seem to have tried to impede
the practice of the Islamic faith by Muslims visiting the Holy Land. The requirements
of diplomacy would in fact have encouraged them to be tolerant of the religious
practices of some Muslim visitors.

It might, of course, be argued that the military orders would not in fact have
wanted Muslims in lands bordering on Christian territories in the East or Spain to
be converted, for widespread conversion of western Christendom's enemies would
have undermined the purpose of the military orders. When writing about the killing
of the Assassins' envoy, Walter Map claimed that some said that the Templars did
not want 'the faith of the infidels to be swept away in favour of the unity of peace'.
Yet, although there were frequent rumours about the anticipated conversion of various
Muslim leaders, these were almost always unfounded, and in the thirteenth century
friars had minimal success in seeking to convert Muslims living in non-Christian
lands. The threat to the orders' raison d'eˆtre was scarcely significant: conversion on
a very large scale would have been necessary for them no longer to be needed.
Military orders might in a few circumstances even benefit from a piecemeal and
limited conversion of Muslim rulers. It was reported in 1245 that Zeit Aazon, who
had been governor of Sale´, on the Atlantic coast of North Africa, was intending to
be baptised and was ready to grant the town to the order of Santiago. Innocent IV
gave his approval to this proposal, but Sale´ could not be gained without conquest,
and the plan was never implemented.

In seeking a more general explanation of the orders' attitudes to conversion, it is
difficult to relate their stance to the extent of their own knowledge about the Islamic
faith. Precise information on the degree of understanding displayed by members of
the military orders is, of course, usually lacking, but the extent of knowledge appears
to have varied from one region to another. The fullest evidence is provided by the
records of the Templar trial in districts such as France and Italy, where many confessed
to the major charges, for a number of Templar witnesses maintained that the
practices of which the Order was accused were derived from Islam. In some instances
comment of this kind was made about the denial of Christ and spitting and trampling
on the cross, which supposedly occurred at admission ceremonies. James of Troyes,
for example, who appeared before papal commissioners in Paris, asserted that he
had heard that a certain Templar knight, who had come from overseas and who had been among
the pagans, had brought to those parts the aforesaid errors, namely that at their
reception they should deny Christ, trample on the cross and spit on it;
and in 1307 Geoffrey of Gonneville, the master of Aquitaine, had claimed that the
denial of Christ was introduced by reason of a promise made by a certain evil master who was
in the prison of a certain sultan, and he could not gain his liberty unless he swore
that, if he was freed, he would introduce this procedure in our order, namely that
all who were admitted should deny Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2010, 09:23:20 AM
It might be suggested that these comments show an awareness of the Islamic denial
of the divinity of Christ and the rejection of the crucifixion. Yet some Templars who
spoke of Muslim influences referred to a denial simply of God, and it seems that the
opinions of these Templars were derived from distorted views expressed in western
propaganda sources rather than a true understanding of Islamic teachings about
Christ. A number of those, moreover, who linked accusations against the Order
with Islamic influences, did so in the context of idolatry: reference was made to
supposed Muslim idols. Gaucerand of Montpesat, who was interrogated at Carcassonne
in 1307, referred to an idol 'made in the image of Baffomet', and another
Templar questioned at the same time spoke of an 'image of Baffomet' and of 'kissing
his feet, saying Yalla, a word of the Saracens'. In an undated set of French testimonies
a brother alluded to a head called Magometum, and Bernard of Parma, who
was interrogated at Florence, stated that he had seen a head at a provincial chapter
and had been instructed: 'You are to worship that head because he is your god and
your Magumeth'. At Palombara in Italy a Templar also claimed that he had been
told that he should believe in 'one great god whom the Saracens worship ... The
grand master and each provincial preceptor has a certain image which represented
that great god, and displayed it in their main chapters and assemblies and they adored
it as their god and saviour'. Islam seems often to have been seen as an idolatrous
religion, in which Muhammad was regarded as a god, although the witness at Palombara
— unlike the authors of some chansons de geste — did attribute only one god
to the Muslims. Although the Templars were questioned about idols, it does not
seem that witnesses were encouraged by their interrogators to refer to Islam: most
of those testifying in the undated French testimonies spoke of idols, but only one
made reference to Muhammad. They seem again to have been relying on information
derived from western works such as chansons de geste, on which their notions
of Islam were based: they merely displayed stereotyped misconceptions.

Many of those questioned in western Europe had spent their whole careers in
districts remote from Muslim lands and had not served in the East. Yet most of the
Templars who did serve in the East had been recruited in lands far from the frontiers
with Islam, and had probably taken out to the Holy Land or Cyprus views such as
those expressed in Templar testimonies in France and Italy. Whether they acquired
a more accurate knowledge of Islam while in the East is not easy to ascertain. The
Templars in Cyprus denied all the main accusations against them and did not elaborate
on them. The correspondence of masters of the military orders and of other
officials in the East does at times provide incidental comment about Islam, but this
is not usually very informative. Letters and other documents, for example, even in
the late thirteenth and early fourteenth centuries commonly refer to Muslims as
pagans and to the lands of Islam as paganismus and paynisme. But terms were in
this period not used with any precision, and little should be read into the employment
of these words. The most detailed statement about Islam is that found in a letter
which, according to one version, was sent to Innocent III by the patriarch of Jerusalem
and the masters of the Temple and Hospital at the turn of the twelfth and thirteenth
centuries in response to a papal request for information about the situation in
Muslim lands: this reports that the caliph, the pope of the Muslims, 'goes with his
followers to Magometh, the lord of the Saracens ... That lord Magometh is visited
daily and worshipped, just as the crucified Lord is visited and worshipped by Christian
people'. This comment does not necessarily reflect the views of all masters
of the military orders in the Holy Land: Usamah's tale of praying indicates some
knowledge at least of Muslim practices. Yet the Templar Ricaut Bonomel, when
bewailing Christian losses in the Holy Land, where he was writing, appears to see
Muhammad as the Muslim counterpart of the Christian god:

...Dieus dorm, qui veillar solia E Bafometz obra de son poder E fai obrar lo Melicadefer.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2010, 09:23:45 AM
It would seem that proximity to Islam did not always lead to knowledge. In the
Holy Land, many knights of the military orders were men who had recently been
recruited in the West and who spent only a limited time in the East, although those
who held leading positions had usually resided there longer and would have had
more experience of contact with Muslims. Yet few members of the military orders
in the Holy Land understood Arabic: diplomatic relations with Muslim rulers were
conducted through interpreters. Literacy within the orders was apparently limited,
and most brothers could not learn from the writings of scholars or pilgrims who
did possess more accurate information. Those, moreover, who thought that they
understood the nature of the Islamic faith were not likely to seek to test the accuracy
of their views.

The fullest knowledge apparently existed in Spain, where members of military
orders were mostly of local origin and where contact with Muslims had existed since
the eighth century. The settlement charters granted by military orders to Muslim
communities in Spain certainly imply some degree of knowledge, although this refers
to Muslim religious customs rather than to doctrines. At Chivert the practices of
summoning to prayer, praying, fasting and going on pilgrimage were mentioned, as
well as the pool of ablutions used for washing before prayer (aliupum), while the
Hospitaller charter for La Aldea similarly refers to calling to prayer and praying
according to the Islamic custom. Various documents relating to the orders also
mention the use of the c¸una in the settlement of suits, although it is not clear to
what extent its nature was understood. The Chivert carta de poblacio´n does, however,
also state that if a Muslim had to take an oath 'he is not to be compelled to
give it by any other being or thing other than almighty God'. Yet similar policies
were followed both in the eastern Mediterranean and in Aragonese lands, even
though the degree of knowledge in the two regions appears to have differed.

Details of the beliefs and practices of Islam were probably in fact of little interest
to most members of military orders. The majority of brethren were laymen and, like
crusaders, concerned with territorial objectives, not with Muslim souls. The subject
of conversion is mentioned only very rarely in the rules, customs and capitular
decrees of the military orders. When these institutions did issue ordinances relating
to the issue, it was to safeguard their interests. Brothers were merely adopting the
stance which suited their purposes and which was then prevalent in Mediterranean
lands, for — although growing interest was shown in the West during the twelfth
and thirteenth centuries in missionary activity to Muslims and although some rulers
gave their support to attempts at peaceful conversion — the attitude adopted by the
military orders in Spain and the Holy Land in the main reflects common practice in
those regions.

The attitude of westerners at both ends of the Mediterranean was partly determined
by practical considerations. Manpower was needed to ensure that lands were worked,
and in Spain Christian lords were seeking not only to retain existing Muslim tenants
but also to attract new ones: the Muslims, for example, to whom a carta de poblacio´n
was granted by the Templars in 1267 at Villastar in southern Aragon were new
settlers. A harsh religious policy would have threatened the supply of Muslims,
who might prefer to live in areas under Islamic rule. This would be true not only
of any enforced conversion at the time of conquest, but also of later attempts at
obligatory evangelisation: this might encourage Muslim vassals to seek refuge in
territories still under Islamic rule. Economic concerns obviously also influenced
attitudes towards voluntary conversions of individual Muslim vassals, as such conversions
would sometimes have involved financial loss; and the conversion of slaves,
even if it did not lead to emancipation, probably tended to limit lords' authority over
those subject to them.

Yet in the Baltic region, where manpower was also needed in conquered lands,
Prussians and Livonians were coerced into baptism: and it could be maintained that
revolts and rebellions in Prussia and Livonia might have been averted if a more
tolerant policy about religion and other matters had been adopted.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2010, 09:24:13 AM
In Mediterranean lands there were, of course, precedents for religious toleration,
as Christians had usually been allowed to retain their religion when living under
Islamic rule. It might further be argued that, despite the Church's stance on enforced
baptism, conversion in the Baltic was seen by some as a justification for the conquest
of lands which had never been under Christian rule. But part of the explanation of
the differing treatment of Muslims and pagans is probably to be found in the perceptions
which western Christians had of their opponents. The peoples conquered in the
Baltic area tended to be seen as leading a primitive and warlike existence and following
a primitive religion. Conversion to Christianity could be regarded as part of a
process which in time would make them more civilized and less hostile, although
this required the provision of instruction as well as baptism; and the former was
often in practice lacking. It is difficult to assess western perceptions generally in the
East and Spain about the Islamic faith: treatises written by scholars about Islam and
the image of Islam presented in the chansons de geste have been examined, but
brethren of the military orders are not the only ones among those fighting against
Muslims whose impressions are not easy to ascertain: knowledge was, however,
probably more widespread among Christians in Spain than among westerners in the
Holy Land. Nevertheless in both areas there must have been an awareness of the
nature of Muslim society, and Muslims could not have been regarded — as Prussians
and Livonians were — as a primitive people, for whom conversion would constitute
part of a civilising process.

As increasing attention came to be devoted in western Christendom during the
course of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries to missionary activities among Muslims
— this is apparent not only in writings and preaching but even in visual imagery
— the military orders' focus on fighting and material objectives became the
object of criticism from those who favoured missions. These orders had from the
outset attracted censure from those who maintained that all warfare was evil, as is
apparent from the comments in the letter to the Templars written by a certain Hugh
peccator and from St Bernard's defence of the order against its critics. Such criticism,
which did not touch explicitly on the issue of conversion, did not disappear,
but from the later twelfth century onwards some writers did argue that warfare should
give way to the peaceful conversion of the infidel: there was therefore no place for
military orders. Walter Map wrote of the Templars that, although it was claimed
that the use of force against force was condoned in law,
it seems, however, that they have not chosen the best way, since under their
protection our territories in those parts are always being reduced and those of the
enemy extended; by the word of the Lord, not by the sword's edge, the apostles
conquered Damascus, Alexandria and a large part of the world, which the sword
has lost; and he further provided a condensed version of I Samuel 17: 45–7: 'You come to
me with arms, and I come to you in the name of the Lord, so that the whole church
may know that the Lord does not save by the sword'. He was arguing against the
expediency of using force, and for the efficacy of preaching. A similar point was
made by Roger Bacon in the 1260s. He asserted that westerners were often defeated
in the Holy Land; even if they were victorious, there was no one to settle the land.
Muslims who survived Christian assaults were made more hostile to Christianity and
it became impossible to convert them. In the East, as well as in the Baltic region,
'the Templars and Hospitallers and the brothers of the Teutonic order greatly hinder
the conversion of the infidel because of the wars which they are constantly waging
and because they seek complete domination'. He condemned the military orders
because they were seen to hamper the work of conversion. Roger Bacon advocated
peaceful missionary activity, although he did accept that force might be used, in
conjunction with preaching, to ensure that the Holy Land was retained in Christian
hands. Preaching was also favoured in a number of other writings, although these
did not allude specifically to the activities of the military orders: in the 1270s Raymond
Lull, for example, argued in his Libre de contemplacio´ that peaceful missionary
activity was hindered by warfare against the infidel.

While in some works the military orders were criticised for seeking material ends
which hindered conversion, the argument was also advanced that they should involve
themselves in winning over infidels to Christianity. The general point made by Albert
of Morra was taken up and elaborated in the thirteenth century. Although Humbert
of Romans averred merely that conquest might serve to facilitate conversion, some
writers maintained that force might be used more directly to promote it, and that
the military orders should extend their activities to bring about conversion, whether
by force or in other ways. Innocent IV asserted that if infidel rulers refused to accept
Christian missionaries into their lands, the pope could invoke the secular power to
oblige them to do so; and Ramon Lull in his Blanquerna and elsewhere similarly
advocated the use of force to ensure that preaching of the Christian faith was permitted
in infidel territories. Neither specifically mentioned the military orders when
advancing this argument, but in various works Lull maintained that the military
orders — or a single order resulting from their amalgamation — should work for
the conversion of the infidel, either by the use of force or by other means. It is to
be doubted, however, whether Lull assigned them this role in the Libre de contemplacio.
´When arguing in chapter 112 of the Latin version of that work that the Holy
Land should be won over by preaching rather than by the force of arms, Lull admittedly
wrote: progrediantur sancti equites religiosi, et muniant se signo crucis, et
impleant se gratia sancti spiritus, et eant praedicare infidelibus veritatem tuae pas
sionis. This passage has been translated: 'the holy monk–knights should go forward,
O Lord, buttress themselves with the sign of the cross, fill themselves with the grace
of the Holy Spirit, and go preach to the infidels the truth of Your Passion'. If this
version is accepted, it could be argued that Lull was envisaging that the military
orders should abandon warfare for preaching. Yet the Catalan version reads: faense
a avant, Se`nyer, los sants cavallers religioses e guarnesquense del senyal de la creu,
e umplense de la gracia del Sant Esprit, e vajen preicar veritat de la vostra passio
als infeels,
and this has been rendered: 'Let the knights become religious, let them
be adorned with the sign of the Cross and filled with the grace of the Holy Spirit,
and let them go among the infidels to preach truth concerning Thy Passion'. In
this chapter Lull was writing about knights in general, not about the military orders,
and the sense of the Latin text is probably that knights should go forth as religious:
no reference to the military orders was intended. Nevertheless in Blanquerna,
written in the following decade, conversion was to be achieved by brethren of a
unified military order in part by skill at arms: knights should be sent to infidel rulers
and challenge their opponents by feats of arms to establish the truth of the catholic
faith. In this fictional work, the proposal was accepted and one such knight vanquished
ten opponents on successive days. The claims of religion were to be settled
partly by trial by battle, just as St Francis was reported earlier to have proposed trial
by ordeal. But in the same work Lull also urged that schools and places of study
should be created in the houses of a unified military order, where knights should
acquire a competence in languages and learn arguments which would allow them to
prove the validity of the Christian faith: peaceful persuasion as well as force was to
be used to win over the infidel. The knight who vanquished ten infidels by force of
arms also overcame non-believers by the power of his arguments.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2010, 09:24:47 AM
In a number of later works Lull provided a variation on this last theme. He wanted
clerics knowledgeable in Arabic and other oriental languages to be members of a
military order created by the amalgamation of existing foundations. A proposal of
this kind was included in Quomodo Terra Sancta recuperari potest and the Liber
de acquisitione Terre Sancte: members trained in languages were to preach not only
to Muslims but also to schismatics and Mongols. The role of trained clerics in a
military order was, however, elaborated in most detail in the Liber de fine, written
in 1305. These brethren would dispute with important captives to win them over
to the faith; even if the latter resisted conversion, they could be taught about the
Christian religion, and be shown that Muhammad was not a true prophet. Captives
could later be freed and sent to Muslim rulers to inform them of the Christian faith,
which would facilitate conversion. Some of the clerics with a knowledge of Arabic
would also be sent to Muslim and other infidel rulers and inform them that the head
of the order would give them castles and cities if they converted to Christianity, and
would explain the faith to them. If the rulers were unwilling, they were to be told
they would be subjected to perpetual attack:

And they are to say to them, that the lord warrior king will give them castles and
cities, if they are willing to revert to the sacred catholic faith. And they should
demonstrate to them the arguments for our faith; and if they are unwilling, they
are to say to them that it has been decreed that the sword of the warrior will be
wielded against them forever, wounding and killing them.

The issue here seems to have been not merely the admission of missionaries, but
the acceptance of the proposals. The threat of violence was to be used as an
incentive to conversion: Lull was moving towards the attitudes displayed in chansons
de geste and the practices adopted in the Baltic region. In his later writings, however,
Lull did not always propose this association between a military order and the work
of conversion, and did not always link conversion with the use of force. In a number
of late works he mentioned both military orders and preaching to the infidel without
seeking to relate them.

Lull possibly advanced some of his views to the Templar master, James of Molay,
in 1301, when he visited Cyprus and lodged with the Templars at Limassol when
he was ill. But his opinions and those of Roger Bacon had little effect on the
activities of the orders. Few in the West advocated outright rejection of force in
favour of peaceful missionary activity; and Lull's works have attracted more attention
from historians than from contemporaries. Many westerners were not optimistic
about the possibilities of peaceful missions in Muslim lands. There would also have
been practical objections to Lull's proposed introduction of a new preaching element
within a military order, which could have led to divisions over the chief objectives
to be pursued; and the instruction of knights envisaged in Blanquerna did not take
into account the limited educational qualifications of most lay members of military
orders: many would have needed further instruction even in their own faith before
they could enter into disputations. Lull's plan in addition assumed that lay brethren
would be willing to adopt a new role. As Lull was writing the Liber de fine at a
time when the Holy Land had been lost, and there seemed little immediate prospect
of its recovery, the proposal that Muslims should be threatened with constant war
if they resisted missionary activities was also hardly feasible: it was only in Spain
that a realistic attempt could have been made to further conversion in this way, but
obviously no initiative was forthcoming. Lull's proposals, like the criticisms of those
who saw force as a hindrance to mission, went unheeded, and the military orders
continued to concentrate on warfare for territorial objectives, to the exclusion of
missionary activity.


So there you have it...in a large nut shell.... My fellow thread pilgrims.
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on April 19, 2010, 07:08:58 PM
Thank You Warrior Monk.
I had about an hour to waste, :) and reading this was just what the mind needed while the body rested.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2010, 07:44:56 PM
An hour to waste...and all you had to read was my post.......wow.....you were doomed! :P

Thanks, I try to touch all the aspects of the Order, and the others... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 20, 2010, 01:15:45 PM
New book alert: I purchased Thomas Asbridge's The Crusades; The Authoritative History of the War for the Holy Land.

I look forward to reading it, as I have read his book on the First Crusade.

Now back to my efforts of shedding light on obscure history, and giving myself something to dwell upon.

We all know that the Templars, and the militant aspect of the Hospitallers started after the success of the First Crusade. During the Second Crusade, the Templars made a name for themselves when they assumed leadership(appointed by Louis VII-They provided a Templar Brother as the leader of each small unit that the army was broken down into) of a besieged army, on the way overland to the Holy Land. It was their (Templars) discipline and tactics that helped save King Louis VII's army from disintegration and total destruction.

It was during this epic operation that a story developed around the Templars during the siege of Ascalon (also the subject of the photo on the cover of my latest book purchase). It was said by "historians" of the age; that during this siege, when a breach was made in the city's walls, that the Master of the Temple (Tremblay) and his fellow Warrior Monks, held the Christian army at bay, so that they could go in and capture the city, thus giving them the rights to the spoils of war. The story then tells of how because of the Master's greed that they got lost, were surrounded and subsequently killed by the enemy.

It is remarkable that the description of the city is left out. Ascalon was known to have over 50 towers on walls that stretched for miles. This being the case, if the Templars had created a breach, many of the besieging Christian host, might have been unaware of the event. The Templars being the astute masters of the battlefield, would have immediately rushed in, to exploit the breach, thus preventing "having to pay for the same ground twice", by waiting for reinforcements, whilst the enemy reinforced the new point of weakness.

All these "contemporary" histories were written years after the fact. Two sources from the time period of the event note, that the Templars exploited their immediate success, capitalizing on the shock and surprise of their breach, and rushed to the center of the city, where they were forced to make a "final stand" as no fellow Christians came to their aid. They were slaughtered, and their body's hung from the walls of the city by the enemy.

Since no fellow Christians came to their aid, whether it be because they didn't know of the breach, or willing abandoned these stoic heroes, seems to give credibility to the idea that these later writers wrote history to protect their ancestors' reputations.

Things that make you go "hhhhhmmmmmmm..........."

Please see Helen Nicholson's newest book: A Brief History of the Knights Templar
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on April 20, 2010, 03:34:55 PM
im so pissed that i couldnt go to ga saterday. ive planned for a year but my girlfriend was too f!@#$% up to answer or tell me to go without her, but of course i wasn't going to drive 3 hours alone...and not share the event...but im sorry i didn't get to meet up...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 20, 2010, 06:17:27 PM
Quote from: Just Jesse on April 20, 2010, 03:34:55 PM
im so pissed that i couldnt go to ga saterday. ive planned for a year but my girlfriend was too f!@#$% up to answer or tell me to go without her, but of course i wasn't going to drive 3 hours alone...and not share the event...but im sorry i didn't get to meet up...


PJ (Pirate Jesse),

It is a sad tale you spin, for it was a good time on both days of opening weekend. A bit of advice though, you may want to temper that written anger against your better half, for fear of offending those of the fairer sex that visit and review this thread.

Pax vobiscum.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on April 20, 2010, 06:20:20 PM
Greetings Brothers and Warrior Monk,

I saw a message from Warrior Monk earlier today about what books are we reading, I don't see that message here but I do have my list:

1. The Crusades by Thomas Asbridge - a history of the war for the holy lands

2. Knight - Nobel Warrior of England - Christopher Gravett - knights from 1200-1600

3. Bretheren by Robyn Young - a novel about the Knights Templar

4. The Last Templar by Reymond Khoury a novel on the Templar's

5. Holy Warriors by JonathanPhillips - a history on the crusades

6. Legionary by Philip Matyszak - a roman soldiers manual on tactics

7. The Time Traveler's Guide to Medieval England by Ian Mortimer a visitors guide to 14th century England

8. The Templers by Barbara Frale - the secret history of Templars revealed

9. Knights by Constance Brittain Bouchard - a history of the legendary Knights

10. Crusades and Crusader Knights by Charles Phillips - an illustrated history of the Crusades

11. Knights of Jerusalem by David Nicolle - a history of the hospitallers


I do buy alot from the Military Book Club...they seem to have some good offerings.

I bid all thee a Good Night....


Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 20, 2010, 06:42:29 PM
Sir Michael,

Thanks for your post. I see several fictional series in there. I just finished Robyn Young's Brethren trilogy, and I have two of Jack Whyte's Templar trilogy as well.

As for my reference libray here at the castle, I list the following in my possession (And I agree with your Military Book Club assessment. I also use History Book Club)

1.   God's War, A New History of the Crusades; Christopher Tyerman

2.   The Last Templar, The Tragedy of Jacques de Molay: Alain Demurger

3.   The Knights Templar, A New History: Helen Nicholson

4.   Richard the Lionheart; The Mighty Crusader: D. Miller

5.   The Knights Templar in the Golden Age of Spain; Atienza

6.   The Illustrated History of the Knights Templar; Wasserman

7.   The Crusades: M. Paine

8.   God Wills It: Bartlett

9.   Crusades: T. Madden

10.   Knights: J. Heller

11.   Armour and Weapons: Charles Ffoulkes

12.   The Chronicle History of Knights: A Hopkins

13.   God's Warriors: H. Nicholson

14.   Acre 1291:Osprey Publishing

15.   The 3rd Crusade: Osprey Publishing

16.   Knights Templar: Osprey Publishing

17.   Knights Hospitaller: Osprey Publishing

18.   The 12th Century English Knight: Osprey Publishing

19.   Teutonic Knights: Urban

20.   The Dream And The Tomb: Payne

21.   Knights Templar: S. Howarth

22.   Knights Templar-God's Warriors, The Devil's Bankers: Sarello

23.   The Templars: P. Read

24.   Templars and Assassins: Wassermann

25.   The Templars: E. Burman

26.   Warriors of God: J. Reaston

27.   Northern Crusades: Christensan

28.   The Monks of War: D. Seward

29.   The Knight: Barber

30.   Fighting For Christendom: Tyerman

31.   Dungeon, Fire, and Sword, The Knights Templar in the Crusades: Robinson

32.   Albigensian Crusade: Sumption

33.   The Way of The Crusades: Williams

34.   The Knights Templar: S. Martin

35.   Soldiers of The Faith: Finucane

36.   Warfare In The Middle Ages: R. Humble

37.   Medieval Warfare: Koch

38.   Historical Atlas of The Crusades: A. Konstam

39.   The Rise and Fall of The Knights Templar: G. Napier

40.   Armies of the Crusades: Osprey Publishing

41.   Cathar Castles 1209-1300: Osprey Publishing

42.   Knights Templar Encyclopedia: The Essential Guide to the People, Places, Events, and Symbols of the Order of the Temple: K.Ralls

43.   The Rule of the Templars: J.M.Upton-Ward

44.   The Piebald Standard : Edith Simon

45.   The New Concise History of the Crusades: Thomas F. Madden

46.   The Real History of the Templars : Sharan Newman

47.   The Templars, A complete introduction to the Legendary Monk Warriors: Miguel Gomez

48.   The Knights Templar, Discovering the myth and reality of a legendary Brotherhood: Susie Hodge

49.   The Medieval Soldier : Vesey Norman

50.   Fighting for the Faith : D. Niccole

51.   El Cid; The Making of a Legend : M. J. Trow

52.   Warriors of the Lord: The Military Orders of Christendom : Michael J. Walsh

53.   Battles of the Crusades 1097-1444; from Dorylaeum to Varna : Devries, Dickie, Dougherty, Jestice, Jorgensen, and Pavkovic

54.   The Templars, Holy Warrior Monks of the Ancient Lands : Jack M. Driver

55.   Templar Organization, The Management of Warrior Monasticism : S.T. Bruno

56.   A Most Holy War, The Albigensian Crusade and the Battle for Christiandom: Mark Gregory Pegg  

57.   A to Z of the Knights Templar, A Guide to their History and Legacy: Gordon Napier

58.    Essential Histories; The Crusades : David Nicolle

59.   Battles of the Medieval World 1000-1500, From Hastings to Constantinople: Devries, Dickie, Dougherty, Jestice, Jorgensen, and Pavkovic

60.   Templar Knights and the Crusades; Charles R. Dillon

61.   The Enigma of the Knights Templar: Marilyn Hopkins

62.   The New Knighthood, A History of the Order of the Temple: M. Barber

63.   Knights of Jerusalem, The Crusading Order of Hospitallers 1100-1565: David Nicholle

64.   Crusader Castles in the Holy Land; David Nicholle

65.   Nobly Born, An illustrated History of the Knights Templar; Stephen Dafoe

66.   Templars, Hospitallers, and Teutonic Knights, Images of the Military Orders 1128-1291; Helen Nicholson

67.   Chronicles of the Crusades; Villehardouin & Joinville

68.   The Templars, The secret history revealed; Barbara Frale

69.   The Crusades in the Holy Land; Meron Benvenisti

70.   Teutonic Knight 1190-1561; Osprey Publishing

71.   The Crusades; Osprey Publishing Elite #19

72.   The Scandanavian/Baltic Crusades 1100-1500; Osprey Publishing

73.   Knight of Outremer AD 1187-1344; Osprey Publishing

74.   The Crusades- Essential Histories; Osprey Publishing

75.   The Illustrated history of the Crusades and the Crusader Knights ; C. Phillips

76.   Richard the Lionheart ; J. Gillingham

77.   Crusades ; Terry Jones & Alan Ereira

78.   The Siege of Jerusalem, Crusade and Conquest in 1099; Conor Kostick

79.   The Templars, The History & The Myth; Michael Haag

80.   The Crusades, History and Myths Revealed; Michael Paine

81.   Leper Knights: Order of St Lazarus of Jerusalem in England, c.1150-1544;  D. Marcombe

82.   The Templars, Knights of Christ; Regine Pernoud

83.   God's Battalions, The Case for the Crusades; Rodney Stark

84.   Knights in History and Legend; Constance Bouchard

85.   The Crusades- A Brief Insight; Christopher Tyerman

86.   A Brief History of the Knights Templar; Helen Nicholson

87.   Holy Warriors, A Modern History of the Crusades; Jonathan Phillips

88.   Armies and Enemies of the Crusades 1096-1291 (PDF); Ian Heath

89.   The Crusades- A History of the War for the Holy Land; Thomas Asbridge
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on April 20, 2010, 07:57:03 PM
Gentlemen,
I do love copy and paste. This is like the Knights best seller list  ;D Thank You  My fellows
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on April 20, 2010, 11:38:00 PM
well she knew how much this ment to me, but yet again i get weed picked over me... this has been one shiner bock-weed puller of a year. im faithless, and just mad...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on April 20, 2010, 11:39:41 PM
ugh i cant even vent , shat- iss of a year...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 21, 2010, 02:43:14 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on April 20, 2010, 06:42:29 PM
Sir Michael,

Thanks for your post. I see several fictional series in there. I just finished Robyn Young's Brethren trilogy, and I have two of Jack Whyte's Templar trilogy as well.

As for my reference libray here at the castle, I list the following in my possession (And I agree with your Military Book Club assessment. I also use History Book Club)

1.   God's War, A New History of the Crusades; Christopher Tyerman

2.   The Last Templar, The Tragedy of Jacques de Molay: Alain Demurger

3.   The Knights Templar, A New History: Helen Nicholson

4.   Richard the Lionheart; The Mighty Crusader: D. Miller

5.   The Knights Templar in the Golden Age of Spain; Atienza

6.   The Illustrated History of the Knights Templar; Wasserman

7.   The Crusades: M. Paine

8.   God Wills It: Bartlett

9.   Crusades: T. Madden

10.   Knights: J. Heller

11.   Armour and Weapons: Charles Ffoulkes

12.   The Chronicle History of Knights: A Hopkins

13.   God's Warriors: H. Nicholson

14.   Acre 1291:Osprey Publishing

15.   The 3rd Crusade: Osprey Publishing

16.   Knights Templar: Osprey Publishing

17.   Knights Hospitaller: Osprey Publishing

18.   The 12th Century English Knight: Osprey Publishing

19.   Teutonic Knights: Urban

20.   The Dream And The Tomb: Payne

21.   Knights Templar: S. Howarth

22.   Knights Templar-God's Warriors, The Devil's Bankers: Sarello

23.   The Templars: P. Read

24.   Templars and Assassins: Wassermann

25.   The Templars: E. Burman

26.   Warriors of God: J. Reaston

27.   Northern Crusades: Christensan

28.   The Monks of War: D. Seward

29.   The Knight: Barber

30.   Fighting For Christendom: Tyerman

31.   Dungeon, Fire, and Sword, The Knights Templar in the Crusades: Robinson

32.   Albigensian Crusade: Sumption

33.   The Way of The Crusades: Williams

34.   The Knights Templar: S. Martin

35.   Soldiers of The Faith: Finucane

36.   Warfare In The Middle Ages: R. Humble

37.   Medieval Warfare: Koch

38.   Historical Atlas of The Crusades: A. Konstam

39.   The Rise and Fall of The Knights Templar: G. Napier

40.   Armies of the Crusades: Osprey Publishing

41.   Cathar Castles 1209-1300: Osprey Publishing

42.   Knights Templar Encyclopedia: The Essential Guide to the People, Places, Events, and Symbols of the Order of the Temple: K.Ralls

43.   The Rule of the Templars: J.M.Upton-Ward

44.   The Piebald Standard : Edith Simon

45.   The New Concise History of the Crusades: Thomas F. Madden

46.   The Real History of the Templars : Sharan Newman

47.   The Templars, A complete introduction to the Legendary Monk Warriors: Miguel Gomez

48.   The Knights Templar, Discovering the myth and reality of a legendary Brotherhood: Susie Hodge

49.   The Medieval Soldier : Vesey Norman

50.   Fighting for the Faith : D. Niccole

51.   El Cid; The Making of a Legend : M. J. Trow

52.   Warriors of the Lord: The Military Orders of Christendom : Michael J. Walsh

53.   Battles of the Crusades 1097-1444; from Dorylaeum to Varna : Devries, Dickie, Dougherty, Jestice, Jorgensen, and Pavkovic

54.   The Templars, Holy Warrior Monks of the Ancient Lands : Jack M. Driver

55.   Templar Organization, The Management of Warrior Monasticism : S.T. Bruno

56.   A Most Holy War, The Albigensian Crusade and the Battle for Christiandom: Mark Gregory Pegg  

57.   A to Z of the Knights Templar, A Guide to their History and Legacy: Gordon Napier

58.    Essential Histories; The Crusades : David Nicolle

59.   Battles of the Medieval World 1000-1500, From Hastings to Constantinople: Devries, Dickie, Dougherty, Jestice, Jorgensen, and Pavkovic

60.   Templar Knights and the Crusades; Charles R. Dillon

61.   The Enigma of the Knights Templar: Marilyn Hopkins

62.   The New Knighthood, A History of the Order of the Temple: M. Barber

63.   Knights of Jerusalem, The Crusading Order of Hospitallers 1100-1565: David Nicholle

64.   Crusader Castles in the Holy Land; David Nicholle

65.   Nobly Born, An illustrated History of the Knights Templar; Stephen Dafoe

66.   Templars, Hospitallers, and Teutonic Knights, Images of the Military Orders 1128-1291; Helen Nicholson

67.   Chronicles of the Crusades; Villehardouin & Joinville

68.   The Templars, The secret history revealed; Barbara Frale

69.   The Crusades in the Holy Land; Meron Benvenisti

70.   Teutonic Knight 1190-1561; Osprey Publishing

71.   The Crusades; Osprey Publishing Elite #19

72.   The Scandanavian/Baltic Crusades 1100-1500; Osprey Publishing

73.   Knight of Outremer AD 1187-1344; Osprey Publishing

74.   The Crusades- Essential Histories; Osprey Publishing

75.   The Illustrated history of the Crusades and the Crusader Knights ; C. Phillips

76.   Richard the Lionheart ; J. Gillingham

77.   Crusades ; Terry Jones & Alan Ereira

78.   The Siege of Jerusalem, Crusade and Conquest in 1099; Conor Kostick

79.   The Templars, The History & The Myth; Michael Haag

80.   The Crusades, History and Myths Revealed; Michael Paine

81.   Leper Knights: Order of St Lazarus of Jerusalem in England, c.1150-1544;  D. Marcombe

82.   The Templars, Knights of Christ; Regine Pernoud

83.   God's Battalions, The Case for the Crusades; Rodney Stark

84.   Knights in History and Legend; Constance Bouchard

85.   The Crusades- A Brief Insight; Christopher Tyerman

86.   A Brief History of the Knights Templar; Helen Nicholson

87.   Holy Warriors, A Modern History of the Crusades; Jonathan Phillips

88.   Armies and Enemies of the Crusades 1096-1291 (PDF); Ian Heath

89.   The Crusades- A History of the War for the Holy Land; Thomas Asbridge


Very impressive list. HUZZAH!!! I only have about 4 of those. My collection is many of knighthood and orders in general

Invictus Maneo
Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 21, 2010, 05:16:47 AM
I have more on general Knighthood and the Warfare in the Middle Ages, but these seal with or mention the Orders or the Crusades.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 21, 2010, 10:08:34 AM
Brother, you might quite possibly exceed the legal limit of books focusing on the crusades  ;) ;D

very impressive
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 21, 2010, 10:36:11 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 21, 2010, 10:08:34 AM
Brother, you might quite possibly exceed the legal limit of books focusing on the crusades  ;) ;D

Is there REALLY such a thing...........if so............would you adhere by it?

I'm ADDICTED......I admit it.

CA= Crusader Anonymous, WMA= Warrior Monks Anonymous, DVA= Deus Vult Anonymous

"Hello all.....I'm Cliff.....and I'm addicted to the Crusades...."
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 21, 2010, 12:38:30 PM
Admitting to an addiction is a big step in the road to recovery my brother.  Unfortunately your addiction has been rendered harmless and quite acceptable.

Feel free to continue

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on April 21, 2010, 05:23:02 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 21, 2010, 12:38:30 PM
Admitting to an addiction is a big step in the road to recovery my brother.  Unfortunately your addiction has been rendered harmless and quite acceptable.

Feel free to continue

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/LucasApproved2.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 21, 2010, 07:23:51 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 21, 2010, 12:38:30 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/LucasApproved2.jpg)

It's all I could ever hope for. Enough said in my book! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 21, 2010, 10:15:32 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 21, 2010, 12:38:30 PM
Admitting to an addiction is a big step in the road to recovery my brother.  Unfortunately your addiction has been rendered harmless and quite acceptable.

Feel free to continue

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/LucasApproved2.jpg)

Unless its like Hoarding. I can just picture walking into his house and stepping on top of all the damn books. Climbing over them to just find a path to the privy. LOL..... New series on TLC "Hoarding - Templars Buried Alive"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 22, 2010, 05:23:05 AM
Been peeking through my windows have ya?  ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on April 22, 2010, 07:56:07 AM
Greetings All,

Well don't forget when you run out of boulders for the catapults, books do make a fine weapon when traveling 80 m.p.h. or more.....

Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 22, 2010, 11:39:51 AM
Quote from: SirMichael on April 22, 2010, 07:56:07 AM
Well don't forget when you run out of boulders for the catapults, books do make a fine weapon when traveling 80 m.p.h. or more.....

Even better when set a blaze!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 22, 2010, 10:28:44 PM
Are we talking books or the scaracins?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 23, 2010, 02:57:07 AM
Books about Saracens  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 23, 2010, 06:42:05 AM
I thought it was flaming Saracens. :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 24, 2010, 05:01:56 AM
No! Books on flaming Saracens!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 24, 2010, 06:29:40 PM
Oh, well that makes sense now. LOL..
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on April 24, 2010, 07:34:11 PM
I was near scared for a moment, Thank God in Heaven there are no books about flaming Saracens that would not go on my Crusade wish list of books.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Just Jesse on April 24, 2010, 10:15:22 PM
I have a paper due monday on the templars...5 pages at least... anyone want to help???? hahah
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 25, 2010, 08:59:34 AM
Quote from: Just Jesse on April 24, 2010, 10:15:22 PM
I have a paper due monday on the templars...5 pages at least... anyone want to help???? hahah

PJ,

There's at least five pages of material on the Order within these very threads!!! ;D


Now onto another note:

It's easy to forget at times due to all the "myths" about the Templars, that by and large the Brothers and there posts were relatively poor. Sure as a large organization they retained a large sum of wealth, but if today serves as your example, you will not that fighting a war isn't cheap. The cost of equipment, logistical consideration, fortification improvement, outside labor, this all costs money. So the Order had key locations within its structure based on geographical location and travel volume that would retain the finances used to keep the "machine" alive.

A good example of the wealth at the "tips" of the spear for the Order are pointed out in Helen Nicholson's work: A brief History of the Knights Templar. In it she points out an event on the Iberian Peninsula, where the Order took part in operations against the enemy as well:

In 1289, the templar house at Huesca, on the order of the Master of Aragon, had lent three hauberks, or mail shirts, and three other coats of mail to their house at Novillas, leaving four haulberks and seven-and—a-half pairs of chausses (chainmail leggings). This major templar house with military obligations, apparently had expected to have to arm only seven knights and three sergeants; but it is interesting that they kept one spare chausse handy. (I would forward the concept that the last pair of chausses was split between the two locations as a patch kit. Both locations could cut from the single chausse, and with the simple use of leather strings, conduct filed expedient repair work on existing sets should the need arise at a faster pace than having a metal smith build or replace existing damaged pieces.....heck...it's what I do here.)

A clear example of how the forward ends of the Order had access to limited wealth and material, that wasn't invested in their fortifications.



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 26, 2010, 12:37:27 PM
Quote from: Just Jesse on April 24, 2010, 10:15:22 PM
I have a paper due monday on the templars...5 pages at least... anyone want to help???? hahah

Make sure to include flaming Saracens in the paper. Makes for better reading. LOL

GOD WILLS IT!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 26, 2010, 01:10:58 PM
Flaming Saracen.......catapulted.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 27, 2010, 08:43:23 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on April 26, 2010, 01:10:58 PM
Flaming Saracen.......catapulted.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/16azo03.jpg)


What a capture!  :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 27, 2010, 09:07:30 AM
My fellow brethren.  We have been in the process of liquidating the armory,  as a result we now currently offer a few items for sale to those interested.

Gorget & pauldron assembly for $120.00 + shipping.  

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This pair of steel arm bracers. They are nicely formed and lined with leather. Straps on the inner arm adjust so it will fit just about anyone. Asking $50.00 + shipping

(http://i44.tinypic.com/317e74i.jpg) (http://i43.tinypic.com/2iibmzd.jpg)


"Hospitaller" Surcoat 1300-1500. It is done in Red Trigger with White Bias Tape trim on the neck, armcyes and around the hem. The Cross is a large White Maltese Cross on the front and back of the Surcoat. $50.00 includes shipping.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 27, 2010, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 27, 2010, 09:07:30 AM
My fellow brethren.  We have been in the process of liquidating the armory,  as a result we now currently offer a few items for sale to those interested.

Gorget & pauldron assembly for $120.00 + shipping. 

This pair of steel arm bracers. They are nicely formed and lined with leather. Straps on the inner arm adjust so it will fit just about anyone. Asking $50.00 + shipping

(http://i44.tinypic.com/317e74i.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/ixyql1.jpg)



I have the very same Gorget & pauldron assembly ....how funny. As for your bracers, I am interested, but you say they should fit "most", is this a word of caution for me?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 27, 2010, 03:16:34 PM
Negative frere cliff.  Caution only applies to toppers of the cranium  ;) :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 27, 2010, 06:18:57 PM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!! :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 27, 2010, 06:21:42 PM
Marcus, Let me know how much for the gorget and spaulder assembly with shipping. I think I may buy them. Find me a total. I want them.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 29, 2010, 04:04:45 AM


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Bless all who want to represent although someone has to draw the line  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 30, 2010, 07:52:25 AM
Museum Replica offering Lucas de Beaumanoir gauntlets?

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/rarrow.gif) Gauntlets  (http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-1187-suede-gauntlets.aspx)


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 30, 2010, 08:19:01 AM
See how they're selling Robin Hood sword and scabbard again as separate items!!! >:(
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 30, 2010, 02:09:39 PM
To be released movie review (Getting the Facts straight)

IRONCLAD 2010 (release date to be determined)

It is the year 1215 and the rebel barons of England have forced their despised King John to put his royal seal to the Magna Carta, a noble, seminal document that upheld the rights of free-men. Yet within months of pledging himself to the great charter, the King reneged on his word and assembled a mercenary army on the south coast of England with the intention of bringing the barons and the country back under his tyrannical rule. Barring his way stood the mighty Rochester castle, a place that would become the symbol of the rebel's momentous struggle for justice and freedom.

Plot:

In 13th century a determined group of Knights Templar defends Rochester Castle against the tyrannical King John.

Notes:

James Purefoy is to play a Templar Knight named Marshall. It sounds like it will be a medieval version of the Magnificent Seven, where a few stood against many. Rumor has it that he'll be the only Templar in the movie, thus providing a Special Forces type interaction where they might use his experience to augment the local's defensive posture. (Everyone knows that if you had seven Templars in there, it would take more than mere mortals to take down the castle....lol!)  He is not to be confused with the following individual, although some can see where the loose ties are made for the sake of bringing folks to the show. (Templars always do!)

William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke (1146 – 14 May 1219), also called William the Marshal (Guillaume le Maréchal), was an Anglo-Norman soldier and statesman. He has been described as the "greatest knight that ever lived". He served four kings — Henry II, Richard I " the Lionheart", John and Henry III — and rose from obscurity to become a regent of England for the last of the four, and so, one of the most powerful men in Europe. Before him, the hereditary title of "Marshal" designated head of household security for the king of England; by the time he died, people throughout Europe (not just England) referred to him simply as "the Marshal".

On the death of the young Henry, Marshal obtained permission from Henry II to take the young Henry's cross to Jerusalem. Marshal spent two years in the Holy Land fighting for King Guy of Jerusalem and the Knights' Templar.
Fulfilling the vow he had made while on crusade, he was invested into the order of the Knights Templar on his deathbed. He died on 14 May 1219 at Caversham, and was buried in the Temple Church in London, where his effigy can still be seen.

The Battle:
The siege of 1215

In 1206, King John spent £115 on repairs to the castle and moat. He even preemptively held it during the year of the negotiations leading up to Magna Carta, but its terms forced him to hand it back into the custody of Stephen Langton, archbishop of Canterbury, in May 1215. The rebel barons then sent troops under William d'Aubigny  (a quick imaginative jump here to tie "William" to "Marshall" and give yourself the six degrees of separation to a factual individual who was buried as a Templar) to the castle, to whom its constable Reginald de Cornhill opened the castle's gates. During October, marching from Dover to London, John then found Rochester in his way and on 11 October began besieging it in person.

The rebels were expecting reinforcements from London but on hearing of the size of King John's army they turned back at Dartford. Robert Fitzwalter rode out to stop the king, fighting his way onto the bridge but eventually being beaten back into the castle. He also sacked the cathedral, took anything of value and stabled his horses in it, all as a slight to Langton. Orders were then sent to the men of Canterbury saying, "We order you, just as you love us, and as soon as you see this letter, to make by day and night, all the pickaxes that you can. Every blacksmith in your city should stop all other work in order to make them and you should send them to us at Rochester with all speed". Five siege engines were then erected and work carried out to undermine the curtain wall. By one of these means the king's forces entered and held the bailey in early November, and began attempting the same tactics against the keep, including undermining the south-east tower. The mine-roof was supported by wooden props, which were then set alight using pig-fat, on 25 November 1215 John had sent a writ to the justiciars saying "Send to us with all speed by day and night, forty of the fattest pigs of the sort least good for eating so that we may bring fire beneath the castle" , causing the south-east tower of the keep to collapse. The rebels withdrew behind the keep's cross-wall but still managed to hold out. A few were allowed to leave the castle but on John's orders had their hands and feet lopped off as an example.

Winter was now setting in, and the castle was only taken (on 30 November) by starvation and not by force. John set up a memorial to the pigs and a gallows with the intention of hanging the whole garrison, but one of his captains (Savari de Mauleon) persuaded him not to hang the rebels since hanging those who had surrendered would set a precedent if John ever surrendered - only one man was actually hanged (a young bowman who had previously been in John's service). The remainder of the rebel barons were taken away and imprisoned at various royal-held castles, such as Corfe Castle. Of the siege - against only 100 rebels, and costing over a thousand pounds a day - the Barnwell chronicler wrote "No one alive can remember a siege so fiercely pressed and so manfully resisted" and that, after it, "There were few who would put their trust in castles".

No mention of the Order's knights being involved in such a secular activity.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 30, 2010, 10:26:46 PM
I have been waiting for this movie for a while. They never seem to have a release time. Sounds good though.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 04, 2010, 07:01:07 PM
Two Masters of Military Orders (of close to the same time period) as seen through the works of Hollywood:

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 06, 2010, 07:37:44 AM
I figured since we cover just about all aspects of a Warrior Monk, that I'd address a little known weapon in his arsenal, that you see in many a Movie and art work representations of these "Hammers of the Almighty".

The Rosary

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We know by the Rule that several times a day, that these Warrior Monks went to harden their Armor of Faith with prayer, whether it be in a garrison/preceptory environment, or out on a security patrol over watching pilgrims or intercepting the enemy. They were told to say a certain number of prayers per daily prayer events, or during the inability to attend prayers in the church, say a specified amount for each missed period.

The rosary provides a physical method of keeping track of the number of Hail Marys said. The fingers are moved along the beads as the prayers are recited. By not having to keep track of the count mentally, the mind is more able to meditate on the mysteries. A five decade rosary contains five groups of ten beads (a decade), with additional large beads before each decade. The Hail Mary is said on the ten beads within a decade, while the Our Father (Pater Noster) is said on the large bead before each decade. A new mystery is meditated upon at each of the large beads. Some rosaries, particularly those used by religious orders, contain 15 decades, corresponding to the traditional 15 mysteries of the rosary. Both five and 15 decade rosaries are attached to a shorter strand, which starts with a crucifix followed by one large, three small, and one large beads before connecting to the rest of the rosary.

The praying of the rosary is started on the short strand. It follows along the strand until the crucifix is reached. Here the
Symbolum Apostolorum
or Symbolum Apostolicum, sometimes titled Apostle's Creed is recited.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 06, 2010, 09:19:15 AM
 Museum Replicas Closeout, Templar Robe Was $60, Now Only $45!

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 13, 2010, 03:18:21 PM
Interesting note on some of the family ties in the Outremer.

Apparently Raynald of Châtillon married the younger daughter of  Philip of Milly, lord of Nablus. Some folks will recognize him as  the seventh Grand Master of the Knights Templar.

Philip's personal life is largely a mystery. William of Tyre describes him as one of the "brave men, valiant in arms and trained from their earliest years in the art of war" who accompanied Amalric to Egypt. Sometime after he became lord of Oultrejordain, he made a pilgrimage the monastery of St. Catherine on Mount Sinai. With his wife Isabella he had a son, Rainier (who predeceased him), and two daughters, Helena and Stephanie. Isabella died probably in 1166, which may have led to Philip's decision to take vows as a brother of the Knights Templar.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 14, 2010, 08:47:37 PM
I always liked Philip de Milly's coat of arms

Coat of arms of Grandmasters of the Temple (http://www.maisnie-champenoise.org/uk/temple1.html) and other historical information.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on May 15, 2010, 03:30:47 PM
Greetings my Brothers...

I have seen Robin Hood this day and do find it worthy of our attention. Although he be not a Templer, there are some templer overtones and due to the movie, he doesth fight like a templer.

May all be having the most wounderfullest day and weekend...

Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on May 15, 2010, 09:03:34 PM
Good Brothers, I plan to see this right after I leave the Janesville Renaissance Faire Sunday eve. Everyone said it is a must see. and, since it is right after faire I will be in an even bigger mood to see it. Thanks for the mention of the Templars Sir Michael.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on May 16, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
My Lord,

It is always most wounderful to recieve a compliment from one who is so noble indeed...

Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 16, 2010, 02:59:32 PM
If you're looking for Historical accuarcy...stick with the written word. As for entertainment value, it's an adequate watch. I kept hearing the line from one of Ridley's other movies...."Are you not entertained!?"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 17, 2010, 04:10:52 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on May 16, 2010, 02:59:32 PM
As for entertainment value, it's an adequate watch.

I must agree and confess that I was somewhat let down and slightly bored at times.  :-\   It also lacked the "WOW" factor completely.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 24, 2010, 06:28:38 PM
The 1963 movie out of Syria called Saladin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6LXbfZZ2JQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR9Sbv7Rs8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzMfC7XKt2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl9SmnPsSIo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLjNvpCbY0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9jVrU9Er74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VvLu5d1G6Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kbMwV_xALI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRcnSroQvWc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPXcdp5gsuI
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 26, 2010, 03:23:29 AM
 Its allllllllllmost as good as Krzyzacy  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 26, 2010, 05:19:45 AM
I have an extra copy if you want it.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 26, 2010, 09:47:04 AM
um..that's OK brother..aaah...thanks anyways  ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 26, 2010, 10:21:24 AM
Can't say I didn't ask......it's a classic in the Outremer, all your who's who Saracen reenactors have it! Most of the sandy third world leaders swear by it. :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 26, 2010, 03:57:08 PM
Yes, I have heard of these rumors of praise from the Outremer.  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 28, 2010, 08:05:07 PM
I don't know how far you made it in the movie, but apparently the "commander" of the Hospitallers is a woman.  :P
Her name is Louisa de Lusignan.  :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 28, 2010, 09:04:59 PM
PREPOSTEROUS it is! ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 01, 2010, 11:32:20 AM
We are entering a time of year that has special meaning for those who follow the progress of the First Crusade.

Here are some key dates: (some of these are lengthy events that ran through this portion of a year)

May – June 1097: Siege of Nicacea

July 1097: Battle of Dorylaeum

Oct 1097 - June 1098: The Siege of Antioch

1098 June 1: Stephen of Blois and numerous French crusaders flee the siege of Antioch with news of the arrival of Emir Kerboga of Mosul

1098 June 3: Bohemond I, elder son of Robert Guiscard, led the capture of Antioch

1098 June 5: Emir Kerboga of Mosul and his army of 75,000 lays siege to the crusaders led by Bohemond

1099 Feb 14 – June: The siege of Arqah, near Tripoli 

1098 June 28: The Battle of Orontes. The First Crusade wins a victory forcing Emir Kerboga to lift the siege of Antioch

1099 June 13: Raymond of Toulouse leads the crusaders from Antioch and to Jerusalem

1099 July 15: The Faithful of the First Crusade successfully scale the walls of Jerusalem and take the Holy city
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 02, 2010, 02:52:28 AM
My highest compliments to frere Cliff de Beaumanoir and his master bakers. I am deeply honored.  OK..who wants a piece?

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 08, 2010, 01:23:30 PM
New book alert!

http://atemplarsjourney.com/


Being a Knight Templar was no easy task. The training narrated in this excellent novel is shown to be long and wearying. The discipline was strong and, for the most part, unwavering. Food was often less than adequate and nearly always less than tasty. Death could come a thousand ways to a Knight Templar. ;D


http://www.newbernsj.com/articles/page-87945-bodycopyrag-turner.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 10, 2010, 02:26:06 PM
Today in 1190:  Frederick I "Barbarossa" (Red Beard) died while launching out with the largest contingent of Crusading troops (German) seen up to this point in history. His counterparts were Richard & Phillip of the Robin Hood time frame.
After making his peace with the new Pope (he'd been fighting the previous Pope over territorial concerns amongst other topics), Frederick vowed to take up the cross at the Diet of Mainz in 1188. Frederick embarked on the Third Crusade (1189), a massive expedition in conjunction with the French, led by king Philip Augustus, and the English, under Richard the Lionheart. He organized a grand army of 100,000 men (including 20,000 knights) and set out on the overland route to the Holy Land. However, some historians believe that this is an exaggeration and that the true figure might be closer to 15,000 men, including 3,000 knights.

The Crusaders passed through Hungary, Serbia and Bulgaria and then entered Byzantine territory, arriving at Constantinople in the autumn of 1189. When they were in Hungary, Barbarossa personally asked the Hungarian Prince Géza, brother of the king Béla III of Hungary, to join the Crusade. The King agreed, and a Hungarian army of 2,000 men led by Géza escorted the German Emperor's forces. The armies comming from Western Europe pushed on through Anatolia (where they were victorious in taking Aksehir and defeating the turks in the Battle of Iconium), and entered Cilician Armenia. The approach of the immense German army greatly concerned Saladin and the other Muslim leaders, who began to rally troops of their own to confront Barbarossa's forces.

However, on 10 June 1190, Emperor Frederick drowned in the Saleph River as his army was approaching Antioch from Armenia; Arab historians report that his army had encamped before the river, and that the Emperor had gone to the river to bathe when he was carried away by the current and drowned in it.

Frederick's death plunged his army into chaos. Leaderless, panicking, and attacked on all sides by Turks, many Germans deserted, were killed, or even committed suicide. Only 5,000 soldiers, a small fraction of the original force, arrived in Acre. Barbarossa's son, Frederick VI of Swabia, carried on with the remnants of the German army, along with the Hungarian army under the command of prince Géza, with the aim of burying the Emperor in Jerusalem, but efforts to conserve his body in vinegar failed. Hence, his flesh was interred in the Church of St Peter in Antioch, his bones in the cathedral of Tyre, and his heart and inner organs in Tarsus.

The unexpected demise of Frederick left the Crusader army under the command of the rivals Philip II of France and Richard I of England ("Lionheart"), who had traveled to Palestine separately by sea, and ultimately led to its dissolution. Richard continued to the East where he fought Saladin, but failed to accomplish the Crusaders' original goal of capturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 21, 2010, 08:04:51 AM
Gamer Alert! :

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/E3-2010-The-First-Templar-Debut-Trailer-For-Xbox-360-And-PC-25244.html
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on June 28, 2010, 01:57:16 PM
Greetings my Brothers!

The time is growing near when the Great lakes Medieval Faire will be opening it's gates for the year. I plan on going for several of the dates and hold me season pass in hand. There are several templer roles on the cast this year. I will try to get photos to post for all as well.

Loard Mangus, art thee still planning on attending the 1st weekend of August?

I hope all of you are well...and your swords stay sharp!

Sir Michael Of Mentor

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on June 29, 2010, 07:49:40 PM
Quote from: SirMichael on June 28, 2010, 01:57:16 PM
Greetings my Brothers!

The time is growing near when the Great lakes Medieval Faire will be opening it's gates for the year. I plan on going for several of the dates and hold me season pass in hand. There are several templer roles on the cast this year. I will try to get photos to post for all as well.

Loard Mangus, art thee still planning on attending the 1st weekend of August?

I hope all of you are well...and your swords stay sharp!

Sir Michael Of Mentor



Yes I am good sir. In fact I was just posting info about the faire to the rest of the group Im in. Looking forward for my second visit!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 30, 2010, 03:20:54 PM
Tomorrow in History....or 1 July 1097 (Now it's Today's event)

Battle of Dorylaeum (1097)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dorylaeum_(1097) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dorylaeum_(1097))



 



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on July 01, 2010, 11:25:48 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on June 02, 2010, 02:52:28 AM
My highest compliments to frere Cliff de Beaumanoir and his master bakers. I am deeply honored.  OK..who wants a piece?

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/27707_1374452134090_1615414820_8710.jpg)

I want that cake!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 02, 2010, 07:12:55 AM
On this date in Crusading History:

July 2, Saladin, who wanted to lure Guy into moving his army away from the springs at Saffuriya, personally led a siege of Raymond's fortress of Tiberias while the main Muslim army remained at Kafr Sabt. The garrison at Tiberias tried to pay Saladin off, but he refused, later stating that "when the people realized they had an opponent who could not be tricked and would not be contented with tribute, they were afraid lest war might eat them up and they asked for quarter...but the servant gave the sword dominion over them." The fortress fell the same day. A tower was mined and, when it fell, Saladin's troops stormed the breach killing the opposing forces and taking prisoners.

Holding out, Raymond's wife Eschiva was besieged in the citadel. As the mining was begun on that structure, news was received by Saladin that Guy was moving the Frank army east. The Crusaders had taken the bait.

Guy's decision to leave the safety of his defenses was the result of a Crusader war council held the night of July 2. Though reports of what happened at this meeting are biased due to personal feuds among the Franks, it seems Raymond argued that a march from Acre to Tiberias was exactly what Saladin wanted while Sephoria was a strong position for the Crusaders to defend. Furthermore, Guy shouldn't worry about Tiberias, which Raymond held personally and was willing to give up for the safety of the kingdom. In response to this argument, and despite their reconciliation (internal court politics remaining strong), Raymond was accused of cowardice by Gerard and Raynald (This brings into account some facts that need to be looked at carefully when building a character study of Ridefort and Reynald. This history of the Hattin event, was written by folks that fell into the political campof the Ibelins and Raymond of Tiberius- they would have every reason to protect their positions and that of their benefactors, and see the reputations of the Templar Master and his associate discredited). The latter influenced Guy to attack immediately.

Guy thus ordered the army to march against Saladin at Tiberias, which is indeed just what Saladin had planned, for he had calculated that he could defeat the crusaders only in a field battle rather than by besieging their fortifications.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 03, 2010, 07:10:02 AM
On this date in Crusading History (cont):

The crusaders began their march from Sephoria on July 3. Raymond led the vanguard; Guy the main army; and Balian, Raynald, and the military orders made up the rearguard. The crusaders were almost immediately under harassment from the Muslim skirmishers on horseback.

By noon on that day, the Frankish army had reached a spring at the village of Turan some six miles (10 km) from Sephoria. Here, according to Saladin, "The hawks of the Frankish infantry and the eagle of their cavalry hovered around the water."

It was still nine miles (14 km) to Tiberias. Therefore, with only a half day of marching time remaining, any attempt to leave this sure water source to seek that objective the same day, all while under the constant attack of Saladin's army, would be foolhardy. (In 1182 the Frankish army had only advanced 8 miles (13 km) in a full day in face of the enemy and in 1183 Guy had managed but six miles (10 km) in a similar situation, taking a full day.) But, as Saladin wrote, "Satan incited Guy to do what ran counter to his purpose." That is, for unknown reasons, Guy set out that very afternoon, marching his army forward, seeming to head for Tiberias.

When Saladin arrived from the taking of Tiberias, and after the Frankish army left Turan, the Muslims began their attack in earnest. Saladin sent the two wings of his army around the Frankish force and seized the spring at Turan, thus blocking the Frankish line of retreat. This maneuver would give Saladin his victory.

In the ensuing struggle, the Frankish rearguard was forced to a standstill by continuous attacks, thus halting the whole army on the plateau. The crusaders were thus forced to make camp surrounded by the Muslims. They now had no water nor any hope of receiving supplies or reinforcements.

Behe ad-Din summarizes the situation of the Frankish army:

They were closely beset as in a noose, while still marching on as though being driven to death that they could see before them, convinced of their doom and destruction and themselves aware that the following day they would be visiting their graves.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 03, 2010, 10:11:13 PM
On this date in Crusading History (cont):

On the morning of July 4, the crusaders were blinded by smoke from fires that Saladin's forces had set to add to the Frankish army's misery, through which the Muslim cavalry pelted them with 400 loads of arrows that had been brought up during the night. Gerard and Raynald advised Guy to form battle lines and attack, which was done by Guy's brother Amalric. Raymond led the first division with Raymond of Antioch, the son of Bohemund III of Antioch, while Balian and Joscelin III of Edessa formed the rearguard. While this was being arranged, five of Raymond's knights defected to Saladin and told them of the dire situation in the crusader camp.

Thirsty and demoralized, the crusaders broke camp and changed direction for the springs of Hattin, but their ragged approach was attacked by Saladin's army which blocked the route forward and any possible retreat. Count Raymond launched two charges in an attempt to break through to the water supply at the Sea of Galilee. The second of these saw him cut off from the main army and forced to retreat. Most of the crusader infantry had effectively deserted by moving on to the Horns of Hattin. Guy attempted to pitch the tents again to block the Muslim cavalry, but without infantry protection the knights' horses were cut down by Muslim archers and the cavalry was forced to fight on foot. Then they too retreated to the Horns.

Now the crusaders were surrounded and, despite three desperate charges on Saladin's position, were eventually defeated.

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An eyewitness account of this is given by Saladin's son, al-Afdal. It is quoted by Ibn al-Athir:

When the king of the Franks [Guy] was on the hill with that band, they made a formidable charge against the Muslims facing them, so that they drove them back to my father [Saladin]. I looked towards him and he was overcome by grief and his complexion pale. He took hold of his beard and advanced, crying out "Give the lie to the Devil!" The Muslims rallied, returned to the fight and climbed the hill. When I saw that the Franks withdrew, pursued by the Muslims, I shouted for joy, "We have beaten them!" But the Franks rallied and charged again like the first time and drove the Muslims back to my father. He acted as he had done on the first occasion and the Muslims turned upon the Franks and drove them back to the hill. I again shouted, "We have beaten them!" but my father rounded on me and said, "Be quiet! We have not beaten them until that tent [ King Guy's] falls." As he was speaking to me, the tent fell. The sultan dismounted, prostrated himself in thanks to God Almighty and wept for joy.

The Muslim forces had captured the royal tent of King Guy, as well as the True Cross after the Bishop of Acre was killed in the fighting. Prisoners included Guy, his brother Amalric II, Raynald, William V of Montferrat, Gerard de Ridefort, Humphrey IV of Toron, Hugh of Jabala, Plivain of Botron, Hugh of Gibelet, and many others. Perhaps only as few as 3,000 Christians escaped the defeat. The anonymous text De Expugnatione Terrae Sanctae per Saladinum Libellus claims that Raymond, Joscelin, Balian, and Reginald of Sidon fled the field in the middle of the battle, trampling "the Christians, the Turks, and the Cross" in the process, but this is not corroborated by other accounts and reflects the author's hostility to the Poleins.

The exhausted captives were brought to Saladin's tent, where Guy was given a goblet of iced water as a sign of Saladin's generosity. When Guy passed the goblet to his fellow captive Raynald, Saladin allowed the old man (Raynald was about 60) to drink but shortly afterwards said that he had not offered water to Raynald and thus was not bound by the Muslim rules of hospitality. When Saladin accused Raynald of being an oath breaker, Raynald replied "kings have always acted thus. I did nothing more." Saladin then executed Raynald himself, beheading him with his sword. Guy fell to his knees at the sight of Raynald's corpse but Saladin bade him to rise, saying, "This man was only killed because of his maleficence and perfidy."

The True Cross was fixed upside down on a lance and sent to Damascus. >:( Several of Saladin's men now left the army, taking Frankish prisoners with them as slaves.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 04, 2010, 07:08:36 AM
Twas the beginning of the end thanks to the absolute worse grandmaster to dorn the habit 'Gerard de Ridefort.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 04, 2010, 08:29:59 PM
On this date in Crusading History (cont):

On Sunday, July 5, Saladin traveled the six miles (10 km) to Tiberias and, there, Countess Eschiva surrendered the citadel of the fortress. She was allowed to leave for Tripoli with all her family, followers, and possessions. Raymond of Tripoli, having escaped the battle, died of pleurisy later in 1187.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 05, 2010, 07:50:04 PM
On this date in Crusading History (cont):

On Monday, July 6, two days after the battle, the captured Templars and Hospitallers were given the opportunity to convert to Islam or face death. Saladin's hatred of the Military Orders was founded upon his belief that they were the most fanatical of the Outremer's warriors caste, and the aftermath of Hattin proved him correct. The Brothers of the Temple were so eager for martyrdom that there was almost a stampede to be the first to be beheaded. All 230 Templar prisoners, and those of the Hospital were executed. [Note that this action reinforces Barbara Frale's account of how Brothers were selected for service in the Outremer, during their initiation into the Order and the rumor of "denying Christ and spitting on the Cross- that is those who would do so, were relegated to European locations, whilst those who refused, were those very Warriors selected to depart for the Holy Land, a most formidable and dedicated band of Warrior Monks.]


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The executions (one of two executions of prisoners ordered by Saladin- and yet they only point out King Richard's execution of prisoners at Acre) were by beheading (a chivalrous choice by a leader portrayed by Ridley Scott as the very image of chivalry and "Christian virtues" in KoH). In an act of solidarity, many of the captured crusaders falsely claimed to be Templar knights, forcing Saladin's men to behead them as well. Saint Nicasius, a Knight Hospitaller venerated as a Christian martyr, is said to have been one of the victims.

"Saladin ordered that they should be beheaded, choosing to have them dead rather than in prison. With him was a whole band of scholars and sufis and a certain number of devout men and ascetics, each begged to be allowed to kill one of them, and drew his sword and rolled back his sleeve. Saladin, his face joyful, was sitting on his dais, the unbelievers showed black despair [somewhat contradictory to the previous description, unless it was because the executioners were untrained in the art of the sword and many a botched job was delivered]" - Imad ed-Din, Saladin's Secretary.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on July 08, 2010, 10:17:37 PM
Greetings my Brothers,

I have taken up an over-watch position on the Great Lakes Medieval Faire gates. In less than 30 hours they will open. I do hear some great rumblings in the distance. I can also see a haze of dust approaching from afar....I will report back when the weekend is over. I hope you are all well and wish you were all here to rasie a drink or two but alas the faire is a dry one this year due to the Trumble County Trustees. Ahhhh my page and squire have packed me a skin of mead....we will not go thirsty. God Wills It!!!! Huzzzzzzah

Sir Michael of Mentor
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on July 09, 2010, 08:07:50 AM
Quote from: SirMichael on July 08, 2010, 10:17:37 PM
Greetings my Brothers,

I have taken up an over-watch position on the Great Lakes Medieval Faire gates. In less than 30 hours they will open. I do hear some great rumblings in the distance. I can also see a haze of dust approaching from afar....I will report back when the weekend is over. I hope you are all well and wish you were all here to rasie a drink or two but alas the faire is a dry one this year due to the Trumble County Trustees. Ahhhh my page and squire have packed me a skin of mead....we will not go thirsty. God Wills It!!!! Huzzzzzzah

Sir Michael of Mentor
That sucks about the Trustees giving you guys so much hell. The pubs there were a lot really nice and a good ale selection too.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on July 09, 2010, 05:26:53 PM
(http://www.sirclisto.com/test/Pardon_My_Planet_20100706_small.jpg)

I found this rather amusing for my Templar Brothers and Sisters.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 10, 2010, 10:27:50 AM
Parking in the Outremer after 1187.......

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 13, 2010, 04:52:39 AM
Recommended reading for this week:

The Siege of Jerusalem, Crusade and Conquest in 1099; by Conor Kostick

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2010, 05:18:51 PM
A conspiracy theorist's window of opportunity? ???

Tomorrow: July 15th represents the 911th anniversary of the First Crusade's Liberation of the Holy City of Jerusalem by the Christian host.

On 7 June the crusaders reached Jerusalem, which had been recaptured from the Seljuks by the Fatimids of Egypt only the year before. Many Crusaders wept upon seeing the city they had journeyed so long to reach.


Their arrival at Jerusalem revealed an arid countryside, lacking in water or food supplies. Here there was no prospect of relief, even as they feared an imminent attack by the local Fatimid rulers. There was no hope of trying to blockade the city, as they had at Antioch; the crusaders had insufficient troops, supplies, and time. Instead, they resolved to take the city by assault. They might have been left with little choice, as by the time the Crusader army reached Jerusalem, it has been estimated that only about 12,000 men including 1,500 cavalry remained. These contingents, composed of men with differing origins and varying allegiances, were also approaching another low ebb in their camaraderie; e.g., while Godfrey and Tancred made camp to the north of the city, Raymond made his to the south. In addition, the Provençal contingent did not take part in the initial assault on 13 June. This first assault was perhaps more speculative than determined, and after scaling the outer wall the Crusaders were repulsed from the inner one.

After the failure of the initial assault, a meeting between the various leaders was organized in which it was agreed upon that a more concerted attack would be required in future. On 17 June a party of Genoese mariners under Guglielmo Embriaco arrived at Jaffa, and provided the Crusaders with skilled engineers, and perhaps more critically, supplies of timber (cannibalized from the ships) to build siege towers. The Crusaders' morale was raised when a priest, by the name of Peter Desiderius, claimed to have had a divine vision instructing them to fast and then march in a barefoot procession around the city walls, after which the city would fall, following the Biblical story of Joshua at the siege of Jericho. After a three days fast, on 8 July the crusaders performed the procession as they had been instructed by Desiderius, and shortly afterward the various bickering factions arrived at a public rapprochement. News arrived shortly after that a Fatimid relief army had set off from Egypt, giving the Crusaders a very strong incentive to make another assault on the city.

The final assault on Jerusalem began on 13 July; Raymond's troops attacked the south gate while the other contingents attacked the northern wall. Initially the Provencals at the southern gate made little headway, but the contingents at the northern wall fared better, with a slow but steady attrition of the defence. On 15 July, a final push was launched at both ends of the city, and eventually the inner rampart of the northern wall was captured. In the ensuing panic, the defenders abandoned the walls of the city at both ends, allowing the Crusaders to finally enter.


Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on July 14, 2010, 09:42:46 PM
Greetings Brothers,

I am happy to report back that the 2010 Great Lakes Medieval Faire is well. Last weekend was very good. Evan with the pubs closed, there were many people in attendance. It also appeared to me that everyone was in order although it was seen that quite a bit of a taste was shared by all. It looks to be a banner year for the GLMF. I will be returning this weekend and will take many photos to pass on. The local trustee's have not done anything to hassle anyone. At least not yet. Keep wishing us luck my Brothers.

My you all be well and happy...I will keep posting reports


Sir Michael of Mentor

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 19, 2010, 12:31:19 PM
Pics? ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on July 20, 2010, 10:48:20 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on July 19, 2010, 12:31:19 PM
Pics? ???
Agreed! Please post some pics if you can good sir..
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 22, 2010, 06:53:29 PM
This date in history:

July 22d, 1298:  The Battle of Falkirk

The Battle of Falkirk, (Blàr na h-Eaglaise Brice in Gaelic) which took place on 22 July 1298, was one of the major battles in the First War of Scottish Independence. Led by King Edward I of England the English army defeated the Scots led by William Wallace and shortly after the battle Wallace resigned as Guardian of Scotland.

Were the Templars involved under Marshal Brian LeJay?

When Edward I defeated the Scots under William Wallace at the Battle of Falkirk [1298] the only recorded deaths of note on the English side were both Templars.

The English Master of Templars, Brian de Jay, and the Scottish Master of Templars; John de Sawtrey were both cut down as they pursued the fleeing Scots through the Forest of Callendar.


See more at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Falkirk_(1298) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Falkirk_(1298))
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 29, 2010, 05:22:56 AM
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Today marks the 911th anniversary of the passing of Pope Urban II.

A man of vision some say, but legendary without a doubt.

Ref:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_II

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15210a.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 29, 2010, 08:18:33 AM
Blessed Thee Urban II
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 29, 2010, 08:45:27 PM
An Honor Guard is formed for the occasion and remembrance.....

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 30, 2010, 12:08:20 PM
Magnificent!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on July 31, 2010, 01:11:47 PM
So mote it be
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 02, 2010, 12:25:00 PM
Into each life a little rain must fall...... (except Hattin in 1187, and a few other places....)

The climate in the Holy land is reasonably predictable and seasonal. Summers can get hot especially in the months of July and August and quite chilly in the winter, particularly in the northern hills. Snow occasionally falls on the hills and Mount Hermon in the north turns into a ski resort in the winter. Rain falls only during the winter, but is often more sunny than cloudy. In the summer, the Holy Land suffers for days at a time the hot desert wind know in Arabic as 'khamseen"  (or the "fifty"; -- so called because it blows for about fifty days, from April till June). Outremer summers although hot in the daytime, are fairly cool at night requiring a sweater.

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Although a relatively small area (about 275 miles / 445 kilometers north to south, 50 miles / 80 kilometers east to west at the widest), modern day Israel (the focal land mass of the Outremer) experiences a wide variety of weather - from Nazareth and the Sea Of Galilee can be seen the distant year-round snow cover on Mount Hermon at Israel's northern boundary (9,000 feet above sea level, which before modern refrigeration was used as a source of ice), to the severe heat in the area around Jericho (1,300 feet below sea level), just north of The Salt Sea in The Jordan Valley (Home of the Hospitallers' castle Belvoir). Between the two extremes however, much of Israel has a climate similar to that of California.

The climate permits a profusion of agricultural produce, with oranges and olives along the coastal plains, figs and grapes slightly inland, and grain crops such as Barley in the hill country. Most rainfall occurs from November to January (e.g. Ezra 10:9), and then a "latter rain" in March (e.g. Joel 2:23).

It has been identified that during 1100s, it was the peak of Medieval Warm Period or Medieval Climate Optimum (800-1300 AD).

What I'm trying to get at, is the armored Warrior of the times faced a more serious enemy in most cases than another armored foe. As we're experiencing in the USA right now, increased temperatures are something that need to be considered during any activities outside.

The following web link breaks down the concept of heat dissipation as it would apply to an armored Knight/Warrior Monk of the time period. Remember they wore in most cases a layered concept of armor protection, and in some accounts, multiple layers of armor- example being 3 maile coats.

http://www.ilo.org/safework_bookshelf/english?content&nd=857170521
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 12, 2010, 06:48:03 AM
Today in Medieval History, or...... there I was Aug 12th, 1099....

The Battle of Ascalon was fought August 12, 1099, and was the final engagement of the First Crusade (1096-1099).

Armies & Commanders:

Cusaders
•   Godfrey of Bouillon
•   Robert II, Count of Flanders
•   Raymond of Toulouse
•   approximately 10,000 men

Fatimids
•   al-Afdal Shahanshah
•   approximately 10,000-12,000 men, possibly as high as 50,000

Battle of Ascalon:

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Following the capture of Jerusalem from the Fatimids on July 15, 1099, the leaders of the First Crusade began to divide the titles and spoils. Godfrey of Bouillon was named Defender of the Holy Sepulchre on July 22 while Arnulf of Chocques became the Patriarch of Jerusalem on August 1. Four days later, Arnulf discovered a relic of the True Cross. These appointments created some strife within the crusader camp as Raymond IV of Toulouse and Robert of Normandy were angered by Godfrey's election.

As the crusaders consolidated their hold on Jerusalem, word was received that a Fatimid army was en route from Egypt to retake the city. Led by Vizier al-Afdal Shahanshah, the army encamped just north of the port of Ascalon. On August 10, Godfrey mobilized the crusader forces and moved towards the coast to meet the approaching enemy. He was accompanied by Arnulf who carried the True Cross and Raymond of Aguilers who bore a relic of the Holy Lance which had been captured at Antioch the previous year. Raymond and Robert remained in the city for a day until finally being convinced of the threat and joining Godfrey.

While advancing, Godfrey was further reinforced by troops under his brother Eustace, Count of Boulogne, and Tancred. Despite these additions, the crusader army remained outnumbered by as much as five-to-one. Pressing forward on August 11, Godfrey halted for night near the Sorec River. While there, his scouts spotted what was initially thought to be a large body of enemy troops. Investigating, it was soon found to be a great number of livestock which had been gathered to feed al-Afdal's army.
Some sources indicate that these animals were exposed by the Fatimids in the hope that the crusaders would disperse to pillage the countryside, while others suggest that al-Afdal was unaware of Godfrey's approach. Regardless, Godfrey held his men together and resumed the march the next morning with the animals in tow. Approaching Ascalon, Arnulf moved through the ranks with the True Cross blessing the men. Marching over the Plains of Ashdod near Ascalon, Godfrey formed his men for battle and took command of the army's left wing.

The right wing was led by Raymond, while the center was guided by Robert of Normandy, Robert of Flanders, Tancred, Eustace, and Gaston IV of Béarn. Near Ascalon, al-Afdal raced to prepare his men to meet the approaching crusaders. Though more numerous, the Fatimid army was poorly trained relative to those the crusaders had faced previously and was composed of a mix of ethnicities from throughout the caliphate. As Godfrey's men approached, the Fatimids became discouraged as the cloud of dust generated by the captured livestock suggested that the crusaders had been heavily reinforced.
Advancing with infantry in the lead, Godfrey's army exchanged arrows with the Fatimids until the two lines clashed. Striking hard and fast, the crusaders quickly overwhelmed the Fatimids on most parts of the battlefield. In the center, Robert of Normandy, leading the cavalry, shattered the Fatimid line. Nearby, a group of Ethiopians mounted a successful counterattack, but were defeated when Godfrey assaulted their flank. Driving the Fatimids from the field, the crusaders soon moved into the enemy's camp. Fleeing, many of the Fatimids sought safety within the walls of Ascalon.

Aftermath:
Precise casualties for the Battle of Ascalon are not known though some sources indicate that Fatimid losses were around 10,000 to 12,000. While the Fatimid army retreated to Egypt, the crusaders looted al-Afdal's camp before returning to Jerusalem on August 13. A subsequent dispute between Godfrey and Raymond regarding the future of Ascalon led to its garrison refusing to surrender. As a result, the city remained in Fatimid hands and served as a springboard for future attacks into the Kingdom of Jerusalem. With the Holy City secure, many of the crusader knights, believing their duty done, returned home to Europe.

The success at Ascalon was due to the veteran skills displayed by the Franks. Their order of march shows how much they had learnt since Dorylaeurn. They formed nine 'battles', each composed of mutually supporting horse and foot, three in each of the van, centre, and rear. This created a 'box' which could turn to face wherever danger threatened. They then deployed into line for the attack. In fact, the crusaders' caution proved unnecessary for two reasons. First, because the Egyptians fought like the crusaders themselves, with cavalry and foot soldiers (some of the latter were the redoubtable negro regiments of spearmen and archers). This meant that they did not pose the same sort of threat as the mobile Turkish horse-archers. Secondly, the total surprise gave the Franks the initiative and left the Egyptians helpless. The victory at Ascalon secured the crusaders' grip on Jerusalem and made possible the conquest of the rest of the Syrian coastline.
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Post by: Lord Clisto of York on August 12, 2010, 11:33:30 PM
Good post, Warrior Monk. By the way, is anyone going to be attending the Illinois, Renaissance Faire in Danville the last weekend of August? I will be there for at least one of the days.

Lord Clisto, Duke of York
Knight of the Holy Blade of York
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 13, 2010, 03:43:42 AM
We might possibly be there on the Sunday
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 24, 2010, 06:57:31 AM
BTW.......This month in Medieval History:

It's the 914th anniversary of the launching of the First Crusade- "the Princes Crusade" in 1096.
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Post by: SleepyArcher on August 24, 2010, 12:57:08 PM
will be at fest in a few weeks, hope to have some new pics of some new garb.

hope all is well with everyone...
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 25, 2010, 09:04:19 AM
Today in Medieval History:

Louis IX of France passes away.

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Louis's piety and kindness towards the poor was much celebrated. He went on two crusades, in his mid-30s in 1248 (Seventh Crusade) and then again in his mid-50s in 1270 (Eighth Crusade).

He had begun with the rapid capture of the port of Damietta in June 1249, an attack which did cause some disruption in the Muslim Ayyubid empire, especially as the current sultan was on his deathbed. But the march from Damietta towards Cairo through the Nile River Delta went slowly. During this time, the Ayyubid sultan died, and a sudden power shift took place, as the sultan's slave wife Shajar al-Durr set events in motion which were to make her Queen, and eventually place the Egyptians' slave army of the Mamluks in power. On 6 April 1250 Louis lost his army at the Battle of Fariskur and was captured by the Egyptians. His release was eventually negotiated, in return for a ransom of 400,000 livres tournois (at the time France's annual revenue was only about 250,000 livres tournois, so it was necessary to obtain a loan from the Templars), and the surrender of the city of Damietta.

Following his release from Egyptian captivity, Louis spent four years in the Crusader kingdoms of Acre, Caesarea, and Jaffa. Louis used his wealth to assist the Crusaders in rebuilding their defences and conducting diplomacy with the Islamic powers of Syria and Egypt. Upon his departure from the Middle East, Louis left a significant garrison in the city of Acre for its defence against Islamic attacks. The historic presence of this French garrison in the Middle East was later used as a justification for the French Mandate.

Louis exchanged multiple letters and emissaries with Mongol rulers of the period. During his first crusade in 1248, Louis was approached by envoys from Eljigidei, the Mongol ruler of Armenia and Persia. Eljigidei suggested that King Louis should land in Egypt, while Eljigidei attacked Baghdad, in order to prevent the Saracens of Egypt and those of Syria from joining forces. Louis sent André de Longjumeau, a Dominican priest, as an emissary to the Great Khan Güyük Khan in Mongolia. However, Güyük died before the emissary arrived at his court, and nothing concrete occurred. Louis dispatched another envoy to the Mongol court, the Franciscan William of Rubruck, who went to visit the Great Khan Möngke Khan in Mongolia.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2010, 06:44:32 AM
Today in Medieval History:

In 1071 the Seljuk Turks defeat the Byzantine Army at Manzikert. >:(

This would lead to the organization and launching of the First Crusade in 1095-6.

See more at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manzikert
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 26, 2010, 12:29:55 PM
Get to know the longest fought, yet relatively unknown, but successful Crusade- The Reconquista.

Fought in Spain and Purtugal in began in 722 and ended in 1492 (Yup, the year Columbus sailed the ocean blue...)

Charleton Heston's persona El Cid (aka: Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar )took part in this, but died shortly (literally days) before Jerusalem in the East was liberated by the forces of the First Crusade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista

Battles of the Reconquista:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Battles_of_the_Reconquista
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2010, 05:23:42 AM
Today in Medieval History: (Posted for tomorrow)

August 28, 1189 – the Crusaders begin the Siege of Acre under Guy of Lusignan

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See more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Acre_(1189%E2%80%931191)
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 27, 2010, 10:51:17 AM
Aaaaaaaah.. those were the days!
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 27, 2010, 11:23:41 AM
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Post by: Lord Magnus on August 27, 2010, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on August 27, 2010, 11:23:41 AM
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LOL Awesome!
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 28, 2010, 12:46:18 PM
Memories. It brings tears to my eyes. :'(  Like the battle of Montgisard back in 1177. It's like it was just yesterday.  :( ;)

Man..did we get drunk after that!
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 28, 2010, 01:56:49 PM
How I remember the day Brother William, as we stood out as a shining beacon for our fellow host, out numbered as we were, to follow as we waded into the Saracen host with OQ style* and a blatant disregard for their abilites......

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*Outremer Quarterly
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on August 29, 2010, 01:34:22 AM
ROFL! (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/thicon_loll.gif)
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 30, 2010, 08:12:25 AM
Today in Medieval History:

August 31 – Sancho III of Castile (1134 – 31 August 1158) was King of Castile and Toledo for one year, from 1157 to 1158. During the Reconquista, in which he took an active part, he founded the Order of Calatrava.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Calatrava
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 02, 2010, 06:54:57 AM
Today in Medieval History:

September 2, 1192 - Sultan Saladin & King Richard the Lionheart sign cease fire

See more:   

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/1192peace.html

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Post by: SleepyArcher on September 02, 2010, 01:43:20 PM
Sir Matthew in his new garb for this weekend.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 02, 2010, 04:03:30 PM
Huzzah Sir Matthew! Well done indeed, his very image strikes fear into the hearts of Saracens and Pagans alike!   ;D
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 03, 2010, 05:19:42 AM
This date in Medieval History:

3 September-

In 1189 –Richard "the Lionheart" is crowned at Westminster.

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Learn more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_I_of_England


In 1260 – The Mamluks defeat the Mongols at the Battle of Ain Jalut in Palestine, marking their first decisive defeat and the point of maximum expansion of the Mongol Empire.

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Learn more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ain_Jalut
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Post by: Lord Magnus on September 03, 2010, 08:29:02 AM
Formal request for help. I have searched over 10 different articles, conversations, and thesis papers on Turcopoles. While I have found a lot of important info. ( ie what they were and werent subject to with the Order) I cant find out if what they wore. I know they used local armor to their area. I know they did carry a round crusader shield ( usually with the red cross on it). I found one article that a Turcopolier or Sgt. over the Turcopoles MAY have been allowed to wear the black robes with red cross, but beyond that Ive struck out. Ive even found info about clerics in the order wearing Green robes with black crosses..  But nothing else... HELP>> :-[
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 03, 2010, 04:38:08 PM
See PM in FACEBOOK on this.  ;D


Pg 178 of the Rule of the Templars- in the section titled: LA REGLE DU TEMPLE as a Military manual makes a statement regarding Sergeants of the Order being required to have mail hose without feet, so that they could fight on foot as Infantry, and mentions that the Turcopoles would have been recruited locally.

This would mean you'd have to seek the local fashions of the times, but they would center on Infantry and light cavalry, and not be confused with Saracen Faris. Turcopoles would probably not have worn any standard surcoat, but would have rallied around a banner on the field, with the Turcopolier being the representative of the Order within its formation.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 03, 2010, 07:48:25 PM
For readers unfamiliar with this particpant of the Crusades, and a key member to the primary Military Orders' force structure, we invite you to meet the Turcopole:

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The Marshal of the Order was the Templar in charge of war and anything that was related to it. In this sense the Marshal could be viewed as the second most important member of the Order after the Grand Master. His personal retinue was comprised of two squires, one turcoman, one turcopole and one sergeant. He also had four horses at his command. Turcoman one can guess (linguist/translator), but, who was the turcopole?


During the Crusades, turcopoles', turcoples, or turcopoliers (Greek: "sons of Turks") were mounted archers and occasionally infantry.

The crusaders first came across Turcopoles in the Byzantine army during the First Crusade. They were children of mixed Greek and Turkish parentage, and were at least nominally Christian although they may have been practicing Muslims. Some Turcopole units accompanied the First Crusade and then seem to have formed the first Turcopole units in the crusader states.

In the crusader states they were not necessarily Turks or mixed-race soldiers, but many probably were recruited from Christianized Seljuqs, or perhaps from the Eastern Orthodox Christians under crusader rule. In the Holy Land, Turcopoles were more lightly-armored than knights and were armed with lances and bows to help combat the more mobile Muslim forces. They served as light cavalry: skirmishers, scouts, and mounted archers, and sometimes rode as a second line in a charge, to back up the knights and sergeants. They had lighter, faster horses than the knights or sergeants, and they wore much lighter armor, usually only a quilted aketon and a conical steel helmet. There were Turcopoles in the secular armies but they were also often found in the ranks of the military orders, where they were more likely to be mounted Frankish sergeants. In the military orders, however, they were of a lower status than the sergeants, and were subject to various restrictions, including eating at a separate table from the mounted soldiers.

Some sources found the Turcopoles could have made up as much as 50% of the mounted forces in the Frankish army.  Turcopoles were an important aspect of the Frankish army.

The Mamluks considered Turcopoles to be traitors and apostates: their policy was to kill all those whom they captured. The Turcopoles who survived the Fall of Acre followed the military orders out of the Holy Land and were established on Cyprus with the Knights Templar and Rhodes and Malta with the Knights Hospitaller. The Teutonic Order also called its own native light cavalry the "Turcopolen".

Source: BYU history project
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 05, 2010, 12:25:05 PM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

4-5 September-

In 1187 –Ascalon surrenders to Saladin after stiff resistance.

By mid-September, Saladin had taken Acre, Nablus, Jaffa, Toron, Sidon, Beirut, and Ascalon. The survivors of the battle and other refugees fled to Tyre, the only city able to hold out against Saladin, due to the fortuitous arrival of Conrad of Montferrat.

More on the city:

During the period of the Crusades, Ashkelon (which was known to the Crusaders as Ascalon) was an important city due to its location near the coast and between the Crusader States and Egypt. In 1099, shortly after the Siege of Jerusalem (1099), an Egyptian Fatimid army which had been sent to relieve Jerusalem was defeated by a Crusader force at the Battle of Ascalon. The city itself was not captured by the Crusaders because of internal disputes amongst their leaders. This battle is widely considered to have signified the end of the First Crusade. Until 1153, the Fatimids were able to launch raids into the Kingdom of Jerusalem from Ashkelon which meant that the southern border of the Crusader States was constantly unstable. In response to these incursions into Outremer, King Fulk of Jerusalem constructed a number of Christian settlements around the city during the 1130s, in order to neutralise the threat of the Muslim garrison. In 1148, during the Second Crusade, the city was unsuccessfully besieged for eight days by a small Crusader army which was not fully supported by the Crusader States. In 1150, the Fatimids fortified the city with fifty-three towers, as it was their most important frontier fortress. Three years later, after a five-month siege, the city was captured by a Crusader army led by King Baldwin III of Jerusalem. It was then added to the County of Jaffa to form the County of Jaffa and Ascalon which became one of the four major seigneuries of the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

In 1187 Saladin took Ashkelon as part of his conquest of the Crusader States following the Battle of Hattin. In 1191, during the Third Crusade, Saladin demolished the city because of its potential strategic importance to the Christians, but the leader of the Crusade, King Richard I of England, constructed a citadel upon the ruins. Ashkelon subsequently remained part of the diminished territories of Outremer throughout most of the 13th century and Richard, Earl of Cornwall reconstructed and refortified the citadel during 1240–41, as part of the Crusader policy of improving the defences of coastal sites. The Egyptians regained Ashkelon in 1247 during As-Salih Ayyub's conflict with the Crusader States and the city was returned to Muslim rule. The Mamluk dynasty came into power in Egypt in 1250 and the ancient and medieval history of Ashkelon was brought to an end in 1270, when the Mamluk sultan Baybars ordered the citadel and harbour at the site to be destroyed. As a result of this destruction, the site was abandoned by its inhabitants and fell into disuse.

According to Shiite tradition, the head of Husayn ibn Ali, grandson of Mohammad, was buried in Ashkelon. In the late 11th century it was moved to a new shrine named Mashad Nabi Hussein (or Sabni Hussein) built for the purpose. In 1153, at the time of the Crusaders' conquest of Ashkelon, the head was moved to Fustat (Egypt). The shrine remained and was described as the most magnificent building in Ashkelon. In July 1950, it was totally destroyed at the instructions of Moshe Dayan.
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Post by: SleepyArcher on September 05, 2010, 10:02:19 PM
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 05, 2010, 11:01:44 PM
AWESOME!!

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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 06, 2010, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: SleepyArcher on September 05, 2010, 10:02:19 PM
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Oh Knight of Jerusalem....defender of the Holy Sepuchre......were you the only one in said glorious attire? Was fellow Confrere Dead Bishop there as well?
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 07, 2010, 05:19:35 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

7  September-

In 1191 –The Battle of Arsuf, a battle of the Third Crusade in which Richard I of England defeated Saladin.

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See more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Arsuf
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Post by: SleepyArcher on September 07, 2010, 11:59:55 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on September 06, 2010, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: SleepyArcher on September 05, 2010, 10:02:19 PM
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Oh Knight of Jerusalem....defender of the Holy Sepuchre......were you the only one in said glorious attire? Was fellow Confrere Dead Bishop there as well?

He was but not in attire...as he had to work.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 07, 2010, 03:01:04 PM
Quote from: SleepyArcher on September 07, 2010, 11:59:55 AM
He was but not in attire...as he had to work.

If he was scared, he should have said he was scared......lol! (jk DB) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 08, 2010, 05:17:22 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

8  September-

In 1157 –Richard I of England was born.

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See more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_I_of_England


"he was a bad son, a bad husband and a bad king, but a gallant and splendid soldier."

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Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 08, 2010, 08:56:06 PM
Natal Day Wishes ole Dicky (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/king2.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 09, 2010, 05:16:05 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

9 September 1191– King Richard I reaches the outskirts of the city of Jaffa, only days after his successful battle against Saladin. The city would surrender to him on the 10th of September. The city would also be the site of Richard's and the Third Crusade's final military action in 1192.

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See more:
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Jaffa
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 10, 2010, 05:19:07 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

10 September 1197– Henry II of Champagne passes away. He was count of Champagne from 1181 to 1197, and King of Jerusalem from 1192 to 1197, although he never used the title of king.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_II_of_Champagne
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 11, 2010, 06:33:24 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

11 September

1185 – Isaac II Angelus kills Stephanus Hagiochristophorites and then appeals to the people, resulting in the revolt that deposes Andronicus I Comnenus and places Isaac on the throne of the Byzantine Empire.
See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_II_Angelus

1390 – Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392): the Teutonic Knights begin a five-week siege of Vilnius.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Civil_War_(1389%E2%80%931392)

2001- The attack on the World Trade Centers and several other locations. Commonly referred to as the beginning of the 10th Crusade by President Bush by liberal media sources.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Crusade
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Post by: Sir Samuel on September 11, 2010, 06:39:53 AM
2001- The attack on the World Trade Centers and several other locations. Commonly referred to as the beginning of the 10th Crusade by President Bush by liberal media sources.

My Question dear Brothers, Will it be the last Crusade, to beat all before it?
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 11, 2010, 06:42:07 AM
Sadly....not likely.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 12, 2010, 08:00:46 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

12 September-

1213 - Battle at Muret: Crusade of Simon de Montfort beat Pedro II of Aragon.
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See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Muret

1229 - The Aragonese army under the command of James I of Aragon disembarks at Santa Ponça, Majorca, with the purpose of conquering the island.
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Santa Ponsa is where King James the First (Jaume in Catalan) landed on September 12 1229 in his quest to conquer the island and take it from the Moors after more than 300 years of Muslim rule. Majorca became part of the Kingdom of Aragon following James's conquest, and was later annexed to the Kingdom of Spain. A cross at the entrance to the marina marks the spot where James landed. Every September there is a grand fiesta to commemorate the landing with a mock battle between the Moors and Christians on the beach.

1396 - Crusaders reach Nicopolis.
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It is often referred to as the Crusade of Nicopolis and was the last large-scale crusade of the Middle Ages.

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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 12, 2010, 08:01:22 AM
There were many minor crusades in the 14th century, undertaken by individual kings or knights. Most recently there had been a failed crusade against Tunisia in 1390, and there was ongoing warfare in northern Europe along the Baltic coast. After their victory at the Battle of Kosovo in 1389, the Ottomans had conquered most of the Balkans, and had reduced the Byzantine Empire to the area immediately surrounding Constantinople, which they later proceeded to besiege (in 1390, 1395, 1397, 1400, 1422 and finally conquering the Byzantine capital in 1453).

In 1393 the Bulgarian tsar Ivan Shishman had lost Nicopolis — his temporary capital — to the Ottomans, while his brother, Ivan Stratsimir, still held Vidin but had been reduced to an Ottoman vassal. In the eyes of the Bulgarian boyars, despots and other independent Balkan rulers, this was a great chance to reverse the course of the Ottoman conquest and free the Balkans from Islamic rule. In addition, the frontline between Islam and Christianity had been moving slowly towards the Kingdom of Hungary. The Kingdom of Hungary was now the frontier between the two religions in Eastern Europe, and the Hungarians were in danger of being attacked themselves. The Republic of Venice feared that an Ottoman control of the Balkan peninsula, which included Venetian territories like parts of Morea and Dalmatia, would reduce their influence over the Adriatic Sea, Ionian Sea and Aegean Sea. The Republic of Genoa, on the other hand, feared that if the Ottomans would gain control over River Danube and the Turkish Straits, they would eventually obtain a monopoly over the trade routes between Europe and the Black Sea, where the Genoese had many important colonies like Caffa, Sinop and Amasra. The Genoese also owned the citadel of Galata, located at the north of the Golden Horn in Constantinople, to which Bayezid had laid siege in 1395.

In 1394, Pope Boniface IX proclaimed a new crusade against the Turks, although the Western Schism had split the papacy in two, with rival popes at Avignon and Rome, and the days when a pope had the authority to call a crusade were long past.

The two decisive factors in the formation of the last crusade were the ongoing Hundred Years' War between Richard II's England and Charles VI's France and the support of Philip II, Duke of Burgundy. In 1389, the war had ground to one of its periodic truces. Further, in March 1395, Richard II proposed a marriage between himself and Charles VI's daughter Isabella in the interests of peace and the two kings met in October 1396 on the borders of Calais to agree to the union and agree to lengthen the Truce of Leulinghem. The support of Burgundy, among the most powerful of the French nobles was also vital. In 1391, Burgundy, trying to decide between sending a crusade to either Prussia or Hungary, sent his envoy Guy de Tremoille to Venice and Hungary to evaluate the situation. Burgundy originally envisioned a crusade led by himself and the Dukes of Orléans and Lancaster, though none would join the eventual crusade. It was very unlikely that defense against the Turks was considered a particularly important goal of the crusade. Burgundy's interest in sponsoring the crusade was in increasing his and his house's prestige and power and, historian Barbara Tuchman notes, "since he was the prince of self-magnification, the result was that opulent display became the dominant theme; plans, logistics, intelligence about the enemy came second, if at all." In 1394, Burgundy extracted 120,000 livres from Flanders, sufficient to begin preparations for a crusade, and in January 1395 sent word to Sigismund, the King of Hungary that an official request to the King of France would be accepted. (Sigismund became Holy Roman Emperor in 1433).

In August, Sigismund's delegation of four knights and a bishop arrived in the court of Paris to paint a description of how "40,000" Turks were despoiling and imperiling Christian lands and beg, on Sigismund of Hungary's behalf, for help. Charles VI, having secured a peace with England through the marriage of his daughter, was able to reply that "as chief of the Christian kings" it was his responsibility to protect Christianity and punish Sultan Bayezid. French nobility responded enthusiastically to the declaration; Philip of Artois, Count of Eu, the Constable of France, and Jean Le Maingre, the Marshal of France, declared participation in the crusade the duty of every "man of valor".

Strength of forces
The number of combatants is heavily contested in historical accounts. Historian Tuchman notes, "Chroniclers habitually matched numbers to the awesomeness of the event," and the Battle of Nicopolis was considered so significant that the number of combatants given by medieval chroniclers ranges as high as 400,000, with each side insisting that the enemy outnumbered them two-to-one, which for the crusaders offered some solace for their defeat and for the Turks increased the glory of their victory. The oft-given figure of 100,000 crusaders is dismissed by Tuchman, who notes that 100,000 men would have taken a month to cross the Danube at Iron Gate, while the crusaders took eight days.

The closest record to a first-person account was made by Johann Schiltberger, a German follower of a Bavarian noble, who witnessed the battle at the age of 16 and was captured and enslaved for 30 years by the Turks before returning home, at which time he wrote a narrative of the battle estimating the crusader strength at the final battle at 16,000, though he also estimated Turkish forces as a wildly inflated 200,000. German historians of the 19th century attempting to estimate the combatants on each side came to the figures of about 7,500-9000 Christians and about 12,000-20,000 Turks, while noting that, from the point of logistics, it would have been impossible for the countryside around Nicopolis to have supplied food and fodder for scores of thousands of men and horses. (Medieval armies acquired supplies by taking them from the surrounding area as they marched, as opposed to using the supply lines of modern armies.)

Composition of crusader forces
From France, it was said about 2,000 knights and squires joined, and were accompanied by 6,000 archers and foot soldiers drawn from the best volunteer and mercenary companies. Next in importance were the Knights Hospitaller of Rhodes, who were the standard bearers of Christianity in the Levant since the decline of Constantinople and Cyprus. Venice supplied a naval fleet for supporting action, while Hungarian envoys encouraged German princes of the Rhineland, Bavaria, Saxony and other parts of the empire to join. French heralds had proclaimed the crusade in Poland, Bohemia, Navarre and Spain, from which individuals came to join.

The Italian city-states were too much engaged in their customary violent rivalries to participate, and the widely reported and acclaimed English participation never actually occurred. The report of 1000 English knights comes from contemporary Antonio Fiorentino, and was taken as fact by historian Aziz S. Atiya and others following him. A thousand knights would have actually amounted to "four to six thousand men and at least twice as many horses", counting foot-soldiers and other retainers. However, there are no records of financial arrangements being made in England to send a force abroad, nor of any royal preparation needed to organize and dispatch such a force. Reports of Henry of Bolingbroke or other "son of the Duke of Lancaster" leading an English contingent must be false since the presence of Henry and every other such son, as well as almost every other significant noble in the land, is recorded at the king's wedding five months after the crusade's departure. Atiya also thought that the invocation of St. George as a war cry at Nicopolis signified the presence of English soldiers, for whom George was a patron saint; but Froissart, who mentions this, claims that the cry was made by the French knight Philippe d'Eu. Furthermore, there was no collection of ransom money in England to pay for captives, as there was in every other country that had sent men to the battle. Sporadic mention in contemporary accounts of the presence of "English" may be attributed to Knights Hospitaller of the English tongue subgrouping, who joined their comrades for the crusade after leaving Rhodes (where the Hospitallers were based at the time) and sailing up the Danube. Possible reasons for the English absence include the increasing tension between the king and the Duke of Gloucester, which may have convinced the two that they had best keep their supporters close, and the antipathy caused by the long war between the English and French, resulting in the English refusing to consider putting themselves under a French-led crusade, regardless of the recently concluded peace.

Nevertheless, obviously inflated figures continue to be repeated. These include 6-8,000 Hungarians, 10,000 French, English and Burgundian troops, ~ 10,000 Wallachians, ~ 6,000 Germans and nearly 15,000 Dutch, Bohemian, Spanish, Italian, Polish, Bulgarian, Scottish and Swiss troops on the land, with the naval support of Venice, Genoa and the Knights of St. John. These result in a figure of about 47,000 - 49,000 in total; possibly up to 120,000 or 130,000 according to numerous sources, including the 15th century Ottoman historian ?ükrullah who gives the figure of the Crusader army as 130,000 in his Behçetu't-Tevârih.

Composition of Turkish forces
Also estimated at about 20-25,000; but inflated figures continue to be repeated of up to 60,000 according to numerous sources including the 15th century Ottoman historian ?ükrullah, who gives the figure of the Ottoman army as 60,000 in his Behçetu't-Tevârih; alternately described as roughly half of the Crusader army. The Ottoman force also included 1,500 Serbian heavy cavalry knights under the command of Prince Stefan Lazarevi?, who was Sultan Bayezid's vassal since the Battle of Kosovo in 1389, as well as his brother-in-law after the Sultan married Stefan's sister, Princess Olivera Despina, the daughter of Prince Lazar of Serbia (Stefan's father) who had perished at Kosovo.

While Philip, Duke of Burgundy, had originally planned to lead the crusade along with John of Gaunt and Louis of Orleans, all three withdrew, claiming that the peace negotiations with England required their presence, though perhaps also because none dared leave the vicinity of the throne if their chief rivals stayed. However, Burgundy retained control of the enterprise he was funding by naming 24-year-old John de Nevers, the Duke's eldest son, for nominal command. Burgundy, perhaps recognizing that his son, as well as Constable d'Eu and Marshal Boucicaut, who were both under 35, lacked the necessary experience, summoned Enguerrand VII, Lord of Coucy, the most experienced warrior and statesman of the realm, and prevailed on him to be "chief counselor" to Nevers during the crusade. The ambiguity of the crusaders' command structure would prove to be crucial in the final outcome. While Nevers was given a long list of "counselors", as well as another list of prominent French lords on the crusade with whom Nevers could consult "when it seemed good to him", the concept of unity of command was not yet understood by medieval warriors. Rules of discipline for the crusade were decreed at a War Council on March 28, 1396, which included the final provision, "Item, that [in battle] the Count and his company claim the avante garde," revealing that the chivalric code continued to require knights to prove their valor by leading the charge.

To Buda
The crusade set forth from Dijon on April 30, 1396, heading across Bavaria by way of Strasbourg to the upper Danube, from where they used river transport to join with Sigismund in Buda. From there the crusader goals, though lacking details of planning, were to expel the Turks from the Balkans and then go to the aid of Constantinople, cross the Hellespont, and march through Turkey and Syria to liberate Palestine and the Holy Sepulchre, before returning in triumph to Europe by sea. Arrangements were made for a fleet of Venetian vessels to blockade the Turks in the Sea of Marmara and for the Venetians to sail up the Danube to meet the crusaders in Wallachia(Dracula Country) in July.

Coucy was not with the crusader body as it traveled, having been detached on a diplomatic mission to Gian Galeazzo Visconti, the Duke of Milan. Furious at French political maneuvering that had removed Genoa from his influence, Gian Galeazzo had been attempting to stop the transfer of Genovese sovereignty to France and Coucy was dispatched to warn him that France would consider further interference a hostile act. The quarrel was more than political. Valentina Visconti, the wife of the Duke of Orleans and Gian Galeazzo's beloved daughter, had been exiled from Paris due the machinations of Queen Isabeau the same month as the departure of the crusade. The Duke of Milan threatened to send knights to defend his daughter's honor but, in the wake of the disaster at Nicopolis, it was widely believed that he had relayed intelligence to Bayezid I of crusader troop movements. There is no firm evidence of this and it is likely that Gian Galeazzo became a scapegoat after the fact due the existing animosity with France, though there remains the possibility that the Duke of Milan, who had murdered his own uncle to ensure his own power, did in fact betray the crusaders. Coucy, his diplomatic mission complete and accompanied by Henry of Bar and their followers, left Milan for Venice, from where he requisitioned a ship on May 17 to take him across the Adriatic Sea, landing in the Croatian port of Senj on May 30 before making his way overland to the rendezvous in Buda.

Coucy arrived well before Nevers, who had stopped in the upper Danube for receptions and festivities thrown by German princes. Nevers did not arrive in Vienna until June 24, a full month behind the crusader vanguard led by d'Eu and Boucicaut. A fleet of 70 Venetian vessels loaded with provisions was sent down the Danube, while Nevers enjoyed yet more parties thrown by his brother in law Leopold IV, Duke of Austria. Nevers then asked his brother in law for a staggering loan of 100,000 ducats, which took time to arrange, and eventually arrived in Buda in July.

Buda to Nicopolis
Once the leaders had arrived, strategy had to be coordinated with Philibert de Naillac, Master of the Knights Hospitaller, and representatives of the Venetian fleet. Forty-four Venetian ships had carried the Hospitallers from Rhodes through the Aegean into the Sea of Mamara, and some continued into the Black Sea and up the Danube without engaging in battle. The fact that the Turks, who had an inferior naval presence, did not challenge the Venetians for control of the sea is seen as evidence that Bayezid and the majority of his forces were already on the European side.

The War Council in Buda was immediately the forum of a fierce dispute. The previous year, Bayezid had declared that he would attack Hungary by May, yet he had not appeared by end of July. Hungarian scouts sent out as far as the Hellespont could find no sign of him, causing the French to proclaim that he was a coward. Sigismund of Hungary assured the crusaders that Bayezid would come, and advised that it would be wiser to let the Turks make the long march to them, rather than make the same long march to find them. This strategy was rejected by the French and their allies. Coucy, acting as spokesman, stated, "Though the Sultan's boasts be lies, that should not keep us from doing deeds of arms and pursuing our enemies, for that is the purpose for which we came." Sigismund had little choice but to acquiesce, though chroniclers also write that Coucy's speech excited jealousy in D'Eu, who felt that he should have had the honor of spokesman due to his position as Constable of France.

The crusaders began to march down the left bank of the Danube, though part of the Hungarian army veered north to gather the forces of Transylvania and the Mircea the Elder-led forces of Wallachia. The remainder of the Hungarians brought up the rear of the crusader column. As the crusaders moved into Muslim-held territory, pillaging and mistreatment of the population reportedly grew. While crusaders had been reported to engage in periodic pillage and rapine while passing through Germany, the indiscipline of the French reportedly reached new heights when they entered "schismatic" lands. Chroniclers also waxed eloquent on the immorality and blasphemy of the crusaders, writing detailed accounts of drunkard knights lying with prostitutes for days, despite writing from at best second-hand accounts. Tuchman cautions that such chroniclers were part of a contemporary tendency to blame the defeat of the crusade on the immorality of the crusaders, and that it is impossible to verify such claims.

The crusaders took eight days to cross the Danube at the Iron Gate At  Or?ova, where the Danube narrows at the Iron Gates gorge, the column crossed to the right bank using pontoons and boats over eight days. Their first target was Vidin, previously an important town of western Bulgaria and then under Turkish control. The prince of Vidin, having no desire to fight for his Turkish conquerors against an overwhelming force of crusaders, promptly surrendered. The only bloodshed was the execution of Turkish officers in the defending garrison, though the incident served to further convince the French that Turks were incapable of challenging the crusaders in the field.

The next target was Oryahovo (Rachowa), a strong fortress located 75 miles from Vidin. Frustrated by the lack of opportunity to show their bravery in deeds of arms, the French carried out a forced march at night to reach the castle before their allies, arriving in the morning just as the Turkish forces had come out to destroy the bridge across the moat. In fierce combat the French secured the bridge but were unable to push forward until Sigismund arrived. The forces combined and managed to reach the walls before night forced the combatants to retire. The next morning the inhabitants of Oryahovo agreed to surrender to Sigismund on the assurance that their lives and property would be spared. The French promptly broke Sigismund's agreement, pillaging and massacring the town after the gates were open, and later claiming that they had taken the town by conquest because their men-at-arms had topped the walls the night before. A thousand residents, both Turkish and Bulgarian, were taken hostage and the town set ablaze. The Hungarians took the French action as a grave insult to their king, while the French accused the Hungarians of trying to rob them of the glory of victory through combat.

Leaving a garrison to hold Oryahovo, the crusaders continued towards Nicopolis, assaulting one or two forts or settlements along the way, but bypassing one citadel from which messengers escaped to inform Bayezid of the Christian army. On September 12, the crusaders came within view of the fortress of Nicopolis on its limestone cliff.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 13, 2010, 05:18:46 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

13 September:

1087 –Born: John II Komnenos, Byzantine Emperor (d. 1143).

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_II_Komnenos

1224 - Francis of Assisi is afflicted with stigmata.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata#St._Francis_of_Assisi

St Francis with Crusaders:
http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=jewett&book=troubadour&story=crusaders
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 14, 2010, 05:22:09 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

14 September:

1146 – Zengi, ruler of Syria (b. 1087) dies.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zengi#Conflict_with_the_crusaders_and_Byzantines

1214 - Albert Avogadro, Italian patriarch of Jerusalem dies (b. 1149)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Avogadro
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 15, 2010, 05:19:26 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

15 September -

Death of: Duke Louis I of Bavaria (German: Ludwig I der Kelheimer, Herzog von Bayern, Pfalzgraf bei Rhein) (born, 23 December 1173) was the Duke of Bavaria in 1183 and Count Palatine of the Rhine in 1214. In 1221 Louis participated in the Fifth Crusade and was imprisoned in Egypt by Al-Kamil but later released.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Crusade

Al-Kamil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Kamil
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on September 15, 2010, 11:46:11 AM
My fellow Brothers and Sisters,

Being thee are of both the sword and the cloth, I need to bring you all bad news and also request your help. I have just learned that one of the regulars from the Great Lakes Medieval Faire has passed over. Dillsandra the Pickle Goddess. She was always selling pickles in the pickle grove and was a friend to all us who attended the GLMF. Always offering a cool drink to all who were of thirst in the hot wather be they cast or playtron. During the last few months she was in failing health and was in alot of pain. Now she will meet with our maker in the Kingdom above. Please join me in remembering her in your thoughts, prayers and blessings. I wish her luck and enternal peace on her new journey. She was and will always be a good person who lived life to the fullest and always thought of others before herself. She soooo loved the Medieval Faire as well. I will try not to shed a tear of saddness but will keep her joy and her image in my heart for all times. I know she is smiling down at us all. Good-bye Goddess!

Thanks my Brothers & Sisters,

Sir Michael of Mentor
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 15, 2010, 05:40:40 PM
Quote from: SirMichael on September 15, 2010, 11:46:11 AM
Now she will meet with our maker in the Kingdom above. Please join me in remembering her in your thoughts, prayers and blessings. I wish her luck and enternal peace on her new journey.

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on September 15, 2010, 06:38:15 PM
Warrior Monk,

Thank-you my Brother....I am without words but truely feel the spirit of the orders upon me.

Sir Michael
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 16, 2010, 05:20:49 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

16 September Sorry, couldn't find much for this day, so I decided to add some information on a lesser know Crusading Military Order.

See more:

Order of Monfragüe-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Monfrag%C3%BCe
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 17, 2010, 05:27:20 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

17 September -

1176- The Battle of Myriokephalon, also known as the Myriocephalum, or Miryakefalon Sava?? in Turkish, was a battle between the Byzantine Empire and the Seljuk Turks in Phrygia. This action was supported by the Principality of Antioch and the Kingdom of Hungry.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Myriokephalon
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 18, 2010, 07:35:52 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

18 September

1180 – Philip Augustus becomes king of France.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Augustus#Third_Crusade

1454 – In the Battle of Chojnice, the Polish army is defeated by the Teutonic army during the Thirteen Years' War.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chojnice

1180 – Death of King Louis VII of France (b. 1120) participant in the Second Crusade.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_VII_of_France

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Crusade
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 19, 2010, 08:42:08 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

19 September – Sorry, couldn't find much for this day, so I decided to add some information a lesser known Crusading Military Order.

See more:

Knights of St Benedict of Evora-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Aviz
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 19, 2010, 10:32:14 PM
For our fellow brethren, let it be known...

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 20, 2010, 05:17:27 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

20 September

1187 – Saladin begins the Siege of Jerusalem.


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1187)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 21, 2010, 05:13:55 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

21 September

1217 –Battle of St. Matthew's Day during the Livonian Crusade.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonian_Crusade

1217 – Death of Caupo of Turaida, Livonian military leader

See More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caupo_of_Turaida

1217 – Death of  Lembitu of Lehola, Estonian military leader

See More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lembitu_of_Lehola
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 22, 2010, 05:25:39 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

22 September-

1236 – The Lithuanians and Semigallians defeat the Livonian Brothers of the Sword in the Battle of Saule.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saule
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 23, 2010, 05:19:55 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

23 September-

1193 – Death of Robert de Sablé, Grand Master of the Knights Templar

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Sabl%C3%A9
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 23, 2010, 07:17:58 AM
I find this bit of information most interesting about Robert de Sablé:


Sablé was lucky to have been Grand Master at all, as at the time of Gérard de Ridefort's death, he was not even a member of the Templar Order. However, the senior knights had become increasingly opposed to Masters fighting on the front line, and the capture and beheading of Grand Master Gerard de Ridefort  became the final straw. They delayed elections for over a year so that the rules regarding active service of Grand Masters could be reviewed. During this hiatus, Sablé did join the order, just in time to be considered for election. When he was made Grand Master, he had been a Templar knight for less than a year.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 23, 2010, 07:59:33 AM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 23, 2010, 07:17:58 AM
I find this bit of information most interesting about Robert de Sablé:


However, the senior knights had become increasingly opposed to Masters fighting on the front line, and the capture and beheading of Grand Master Gerard de Ridefort  became the final straw.

What ever happened to Leadership by example, and not asking your boys to do anything you wouldn't? Sorry just the old Infantryman in me. ;)

BTW- He was a sure thing. Ties to King Richard, the advent of the 3rd Crusade, and support for the Order from his allies.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 23, 2010, 08:57:01 AM
In 1191, Robert de Sable, Knight of Anjou and ally of Richard Lion Heart, was elected Master despite belonging to the Order for less than one year.

Robert de Sable participated in the third crusade; the siege and the seizure of Acre along side Richard 1st and Philippe II Auguste (July 1191).

In August of the same year Robert de Sable joined Richard Lion Heart for the re-conquest of fortresses on the Palestinian coast.

On September 7th Richard 1st, the Masters of the Temple and the Hospital, plus several Knights from Anjou, Gascony and Flanders went to combat Saladin's armies on the Arsûf plains.

As a genius military strategist, Richard Lion Heart, with his entire cavalry, succeeded in breaking the Muslim lines and put Saladin's army to flight.

This glorious victory made a distant memory of the demoralising loss at Hattin Horn four years prior.

Later in 1191, for an amount of 25000 silver marks, Richard Lion Heart sold the Templars the Island of Cyprus which he had plundered from the Byzantine Army some months earlier.

Robert de Sable didn't take advantage of the chance to establish a solid base for the Order on the Island as the Hospitallers later did with Rhodes and Malta. In fact the following year de Sable retroceded the island to Guy de Lusignan, as the King of Jerusalem was without a kingdom.

Robert de Sable did however establish the Chieftain House of the Order in Saint-Jean d'Acre where it remained for around one century.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 24, 2010, 03:25:50 AM
An another historical tidbit

Its also amazing to know Guy de Lusignan purchased Cypress from the Templars in 1192 who just purchased it from Richard in 1191.  Then Guy dies in 1194 and his decedents continue to rule Cypress until 1474.  Interesting!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 24, 2010, 05:17:33 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

24 September-

622 – Prophet Muhammad completes his hijra from Mecca to Medina. (This needs no explanation on why it's included.... does it?)

1180 –  Death of Manuel I Komnenos, last Emperor of the Komnenian restoration dies. The Byzantine Empire slips into terminal decline.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_I_Komnenos

Business with Reynald:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_I_Komnenos#Second_Crusade_and_Raynald_of_Ch.C3.A2tillon
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 25, 2010, 08:52:56 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

25 September-

1396 – Ottoman Emperor Bayezid I defeats a Christian army at the Battle of Nicopolis.


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nicopolis
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 26, 2010, 09:27:30 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

26 September-

Sorry, couldn't find much for this day, so I decided to add some information on a lesser known Crusading Military Order.

Knights of Monte Gaudio-

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Mountjoy
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 27, 2010, 05:19:26 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

27 September-

1331 – The Battle of Plowce between the Kingdom of Poland and the Teutonic Order is fought.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_P%C5%82owce

1249 – Death of Count Raymond VII of Toulouse (b. 1197)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_VII_of_Toulouse
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 28, 2010, 05:18:39 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

28 September-

1104 – Death of Pedro I, king of Aragon and Navarre (b. 1068)

1197 – Death of Henry VI, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1165)

1238- King James I of Aragon liberates Valencia from the Moors.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_I_of_Aragon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VI,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_I_of_Aragon#Reconquista
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 28, 2010, 08:52:36 AM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on September 28, 2010, 11:28:41 AM
It appears that someone will be having some fun this weekend! Enjoy the gathering at Fishers this weekend, fellow fighters of the faith!

Looking forward to TRF starting in two weeks. Due to work constraints, only went once last year, and that without the Hospitaller garb!! :'(

Season tickets this year with full regaiia planned! :D

Be well and well blessed to you all.

-H
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 28, 2010, 12:51:03 PM
Quote from: Hospitaller on September 28, 2010, 11:28:41 AM

Looking forward to TRF starting in two weeks. Due to work constraints, only went once last year, and that without the Hospitaller garb!! :'(

-H


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Post by: Sir Samuel on September 28, 2010, 08:06:20 PM
I know I will be at the OHRF wearing the Hospitillar garb I mean why not? I am a Knight of Sts. John.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 29, 2010, 05:16:00 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

29 September-

1227 – Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor, is excommunicated by Pope Gregory IX for his failure to participate in the Crusades.


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on September 29, 2010, 09:30:41 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on September 28, 2010, 12:51:03 PM
Quote from: Hospitaller on September 28, 2010, 11:28:41 AM

Looking forward to TRF starting in two weeks. Due to work constraints, only went once last year, and that without the Hospitaller garb!! :'(

-H


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"Twas not I who told the frog he could fly!" Sigh <hangs head in shame> I accept the scourging so deserved.  :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on September 29, 2010, 10:54:37 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/eyerub.gif) Holy schnikes!! Brother Hospitaller!  It is good to see you are still with us! It pleases one to hear you'll be able to indulge this year in the festivities we all favor & enjoy. I wish you well and please provide images of your adventures at TRF if time permits.

Pax Vobiscum

SWM

Brother Samuel, There will be a gathering of Warrior Monks at Fishers Renaissance Faire in Central Indiana this Weekend. 
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 29, 2010, 04:37:29 PM
And we welcome and recognize another Brother:


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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 30, 2010, 05:23:12 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

30 September-

1227 –Birth of Pope Nicholas IV (d. 1292)


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Nicholas_IV



Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on September 30, 2010, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on September 29, 2010, 10:54:37 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/eyerub.gif) Holy schnikes!! Brother Hospitaller!  It is good to see you are still with us! It pleases one to hear you'll be able to indulge this year in the festivities we all favor & enjoy. I wish you well and please provide images of your adventures at TRF if time permits.

Pax Vobiscum

SWM

Brother Samuel, There will be a gathering of Warrior Monks at Fishers Renaissance Faire in Central Indiana this Weekend. 

Good to see you as well Brother Markus! Provide images of my miss-adventures? Not sure that would be prudent in mixed company.... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 01, 2010, 03:49:10 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

1 October-

1189 – Gerard de Ridefort, Grandmaster of the Knights Templar since 1184, is killed in the Siege of Acre.


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_de_Ridefort
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 02, 2010, 03:55:50 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

2 October-

1187 – Siege of Jerusalem: Saladin captures Jerusalem after 88 years of Crusader rule.


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1187)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 02, 2010, 08:33:54 PM
Ren-Deus-Vult 2010

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/GODWILLSIT-II.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 03, 2010, 12:17:55 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

3 October-

1226 – Death of Saint Francis of Assisi (b. 1181)


See more:
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/crusades.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 03, 2010, 09:05:25 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/39533_1503395437592_1615414820_1178775_1287914_n-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 03, 2010, 09:07:49 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/026-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 04, 2010, 06:02:05 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

4 October- Sorry, couldn't find much for this day, so I decided to add some information on Nobility of the Crusader states.


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nobility_of_the_Crusader_states
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 04, 2010, 06:03:37 AM
Brother Marcus, post the ones on horse with King Richard!  All great shots. You have a flair for the epic and dramatic, whether it be a picture or an arrival!

Huzzah!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 04, 2010, 08:13:39 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/017.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/f115.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 05, 2010, 02:25:13 AM
Great shots. I finished all mine on my website too.  Just go to the picture link in the photo area here to see them. What a great time and a pleasure to meet you Warrior Monk.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 05, 2010, 05:22:55 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

5 October:

1143 – The king Alfonso VII of Leon recognizes Portugal (soon a launching pad for Military Orders) as a Kingdom.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_VII

1214 – Death of King Alfonso VIII of Castile (b. 1155)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_VIII_of_Castile

1285 – Death of King Philip III of France (b. 1245)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_III_of_France
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 05, 2010, 05:24:15 AM
Quote from: Lord Clisto of York on October 05, 2010, 02:25:13 AM
What a great time and a pleasure to meet you Warrior Monk.

The feeling is mutual Lord Clisto. The Sean Connery clips alone were well worth the 10 hour pilgrimage. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 05, 2010, 08:43:44 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/63322_1502955128617_1076392313_31267890_6635804_n-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/58155_1575778364989_1551494772_31393332_575443_n.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/f95.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Fishers%20RF%202007/f105.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 05, 2010, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on October 05, 2010, 05:24:15 AM
Quote from: Lord Clisto of York on October 05, 2010, 02:25:13 AM
What a great time and a pleasure to meet you Warrior Monk.

The feeling is mutual Lord Clisto. The Sean Connery clips alone were well worth the 10 hour pilgrimage. ;D

Well. if thatshh all it takeshhh. LOL...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 05, 2010, 08:58:37 PM
(http://www.sirclisto.com/fishers/f93.jpg)

(http://www.sirclisto.com/fishers/f113.jpg)

(http://www.sirclisto.com/fishers/f144.jpg)

(http://www.sirclisto.com/fishers/f59.jpg)

(http://www.sirclisto.com/fishers/f52.jpg)

(http://www.sirclisto.com/fishers/f16.jpg)

(http://www.sirclisto.com/fishers/f12.jpg)

(http://www.sirclisto.com/fishers/cliff.jpg)

(http://www.sirclisto.com/fishers/son.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 06, 2010, 05:29:07 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

6 October:

Again, another date that I was having difficulty with, so I thought I'd provide a list of "key" players during the Crusades.


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Christians_of_the_Crusades
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on October 06, 2010, 09:41:40 AM
Appears to have been a fine meeting of the Orders! Great shots with the various participants.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 07, 2010, 05:27:25 AM
Indeed, you and a few of the other Brothers from this thread were sorely missed.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 07, 2010, 05:28:03 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

7 October:

Again, another date that I was having difficulty with, so I thought I'd provide an overview of a much overlooked Crusade. The one of 1101.


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade_of_1101
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on October 07, 2010, 07:55:15 AM
I had an awesome time last weekend with all of you. Sorry I missed the "field" shots again this year but duty to spend a walk about time with m'lady came first. I want to thank you all for the help and aid you gave me in fleshing out my Turcopolier persona. Looking forward to visitng Ohio and wearing it again! ( this time sealed properly so I can wear my shield too)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 07, 2010, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on October 07, 2010, 05:27:25 AM
Indeed, you and a few of the other Brothers from this thread were sorely missed.

Indeed you and others were greatly missed. We need to have an extremely large group one day.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 08, 2010, 05:14:28 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

8 October:

1286 – Death of John I of Dreux, Duke of Brittany (b. 1217)


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_I,_Duke_of_Brittany
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 09, 2010, 07:57:05 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

9 October:

1238 – James I of Aragon conquers Valencia and founds the Kingdom of Valencia.

1264 – The Kingdom of Castile conquers the city of Jerez that was under Muslim occupation since 711.

1261 – Birth of King Dinis of Portugal (d. 1325) (A true friend of the Knights Templar)


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_I_of_Aragon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Castile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_of_Portugal
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 10, 2010, 09:17:22 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

10 October:

680 – Battle of Karbala: Hussain bin Ali, the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad, is decapitated by forces under Caliph Yazid I. This is commemorated by Muslims as Aashurah.

732 – Battle of Tours: Near Poitiers, France, the leader of the Franks, Charles Martel and his men, defeat a large army of Moors, stopping the Muslims from spreading into Western Europe. The governor of Cordoba, Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi, is killed during the battle.

1359 – Death of King Hugh IV of Cyprus (b. 1295)


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karbala
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_IV_of_Cyprus
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 11, 2010, 04:49:10 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

11 October:

1303 – Death of Pope Boniface VIII


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Boniface_VIII
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on October 11, 2010, 08:00:40 AM
Will any of the Order be at the Ohio faire for its closing weekend ( this coming weekend)? I along with others of my group will be making our yearly trek there.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 11, 2010, 03:06:42 PM
Unfortunately, I know I can't attend.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on October 11, 2010, 06:31:46 PM
I am not sure right yet, I am trying to plan attedance sometime, maybe sunday the final day
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 12, 2010, 03:58:36 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

12 October:

1398 – The Treaty of Salynas is signed between Grand Duke of Lithuania Vytautas the Great and the Teutonic Knights, who received Samogitia.


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Salynas
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 13, 2010, 05:16:44 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

13 October:

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/FridayOctober131307_flat4.jpg)

1307 – Hundreds of Knights Templar in France are simultaneously arrested by agents of Phillip the Fair, to be later tortured into "admitting" heresy.


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10433a.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 13, 2010, 11:17:39 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/69049_1513038980707_1076392313_31287756_732304_n-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 13, 2010, 12:10:19 PM
ROFLMAO!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 13, 2010, 05:15:33 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 13, 2010, 11:17:39 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/69049_1513038980707_1076392313_31287756_732304_n-1.jpg)

More like Hamlet- "Alas, poor Yorick... Damn, what the hell happened to the skull?"
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 14, 2010, 05:25:48 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

14 October:

1066 – Battle of Hastings (I put this here because William sought and received Papal approval for this "Crusade" and carried a Papal banner in his army) – In England on Senlac Hill, seven miles from Hastings, the Norman forces of William the Conqueror defeat the English army and kill King Harold II of England.

1066 – Death of Harold Godwinson, King of England (b. 1022)


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hastings
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 14, 2010, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: Lord Clisto of York on October 13, 2010, 05:15:33 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on October 13, 2010, 11:17:39 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/69049_1513038980707_1076392313_31287756_732304_n-1.jpg)

More like Hamlet- "Alas, poor Yorick... Damn, what the hell happened to the skull?"

Ah Ha!! All the women are hiding over here, brothers!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 17, 2010, 09:14:09 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

17 October:

1448 – Second Battle of Kosovo, where the mainly Hungarian army led by John Hunyadi is defeated by an Ottoman army led by Sultan Murad II.


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo_(1448)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 18, 2010, 05:16:40 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

18 October:

1009 – The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, a Christian church in Jerusalem, is completely destroyed by the Fatimid caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, who hacks the Church's foundations down to bedrock.

1210 – Pope Innocent III excommunicates German leader Otto IV.

1244- The Battle of La Forbie


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Hakim_bi-Amr_Allah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_IV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_La_Forbie
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 19, 2010, 05:15:49 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

19 October:

1187 – Death of Pope Urban III

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_III
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 19, 2010, 02:20:07 PM
"Arn the Knight Templar" - I know many of you got this but wanted to share this info as well. This movie came out in late 2007 in Sweden and a few other countries but was not released here in the US. I bought a different region since I could play it as well on my DVD player. Now, it is released in the US and in full surround sound, English and everything. I got this version as well. It is a great movie, especially if you liked Kingdom of Heaven. I highly recommend getting it.

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on October 19, 2010, 08:19:31 PM
Available in Blu-ray as well
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 21, 2010, 05:23:24 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

21 October

1096 - People's Crusade: The Turkish army annihilates the People's Army of
the West. This conglomerate of Christian faithful was actually the first movement East in response to the request for help. The failure of this expedition when faced with the military response of the Turks may have set the scene for success for the real First Crusade forces, as the Turks were lead into a false sense of ability after their victory over this ill prepared rabble. When faced with the professional military might of the First Crusade, the Turks underestimated their opponent and learned a valuable lesson in the Franks' skill at arms.

1204 - Death of Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester, English nobleman

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Beaumont,_4th_Earl_of_Leicester
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 22, 2010, 05:19:15 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

22 October

741 – Death of Charles Martel, leader of the Franks (b. 686) Put here for slightly obvious reasons.......common theme disclaimer

1071 – Birth of William IX, Duke of Aquitaine and poet (d. 1126)


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_IX_of_Aquitaine
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on October 22, 2010, 02:29:13 PM
The modern day Franks are not on my good side at the moment...and it has nothing to do with any past or current political situation.

Lets just say that if I have one more round of emails and conference calls due to their lack of technical capabilities, ability to READ THE PROVIDED LITERATURE :o, and get off their lazy backsides to do the flippen work, I may go ballistic!!!! >:( >:( >:(

Sorry.....had to vent somewhere.....Much better now.......<aaaaand breeeeeath> ::) :P

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.........Still enjoy the daily historical posts WM!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 23, 2010, 05:27:16 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

23 October

1086 – At the Battle of az-Zallaqah (Reconquista related- El Cid era), the army of Yusuf ibn Tashfin defeats the forces of Castilian King Alfonso VI.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_az-Zallaqah
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 24, 2010, 05:09:26 PM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

24 October

1147 – After a siege of 4 months crusader knights led by Afonso Henriques, reconquered Lisbon.

1260 – The spectacular Cathedral of Chartres is dedicated in the presence of King Louis IX of France.

1260 – Saif ad-Din Qutuz, Mamluk sultan of Egypt, is assassinated by Baibars, who seizes power for himself.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon#Moorish_rule
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Chartres
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutuz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baibars
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 24, 2010, 11:18:59 PM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

25 October

1147 – Seljuk Turks completely annihilate German crusaders under Conrad III at the Battle of Dorylaeum (This not to be confused with the Battle of the same name during the First Crusade).

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dorylaeum_(1147)

First Crusade reference for comparison:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dorylaeum_(1097)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 26, 2010, 05:19:56 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

26 October

1235 – Death of King Andrew II of Hungary (b. 1175)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_II_of_Hungary
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 27, 2010, 05:28:57 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

27 October

1156 – Birth of Count Raymond VI of Toulouse (d. 1222)

1271 – Death of Hugh IV, Duke of Burgundy, French crusader (b. 1213)

1430 – Death of Vytautas the Great, Grand Duke of Lithuania (b. 1350)

See More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_VI_of_Toulouse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_IV,_Duke_of_Burgundy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vytautas_the_Great
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 28, 2010, 05:20:05 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

28 October

1312 - Death of Elisabeth of Tirol, German queen (b. 1262)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_of_Tirol
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 29, 2010, 05:19:15 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

29 October

1268 - Death of Conradin, Duke of Swabia (executed) (b. 1252)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conradin
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 30, 2010, 08:15:45 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

30 October

1270 - The Eighth Crusade and siege of Tunis end by an agreement between
Charles I of Sicily (brother to King Louis IX of France, who had died months
earlier
) and the sultan of Tunis.

1340 - Battle of Rio Salado.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunis#Middle_ages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_Sicily
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rio_Salado
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 31, 2010, 09:04:29 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

31 October

1424 - Birth of King W?adys?aw III of Poland (d. 1444)


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_III_of_Poland
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 01, 2010, 05:19:00 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

1 November

1179 – Philip II is crowned King of France.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_II_of_France
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 02, 2010, 05:18:25 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

2 November

1285 - Death of King Peter III of Aragon (b. 1239)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_III_of_Aragon
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 19, 2010, 05:19:02 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

19 November

1095 – The Council of Clermont, called by Pope Urban II to discuss sending the First Crusade to the Holy Land, begins.

See more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Clermont
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 22, 2010, 05:22:28 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

22 November

1307 – Pope Clement V issues the papal bull Pastoralis Praeeminentiae which instructed all Christian monarchs in Europe to arrest all Templars and seize their assets. >:( :'(

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Clement_V
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastoralis_Praeeminentiae
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 25, 2010, 07:07:11 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

25 November

1177 – Baldwin IV of Jerusalem and Raynald of Chatillon defeat Saladin at the Battle of Montgisard.

1491 – The siege of Granada, the last Moorish stronghold in Spain, begins.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_IV_of_Jerusalem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raynald_of_Chatillon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Montgisard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Granada
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 25, 2010, 07:19:40 PM
Happy Thanksgiving
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 27, 2010, 06:54:16 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

27 November

1095 – Pope Urban II declares the First Crusade at the Council of Clermont.
See more: (This is where the effort is authorized)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 28, 2010, 07:33:03 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:
28 November

1095 – On the last day of the Council of Clermont, Pope Urban II appoints Bishop Adhemar of Le Puy and Count Raymond IV of Toulouse to lead the First Crusade to the Holy Land.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhemar_of_Le_Puy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_IV_of_Toulouse
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 29, 2010, 05:23:49 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

29 November

1314 – Death of Philip IV of France (b. 1268) ;D

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_IV_of_France
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 04, 2010, 07:35:56 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

4 December

1110 – First Crusade: The Crusaders sack Sidon.

On December 4, 1110 Sidon was sacked (some accounts say the 5th) in the First Crusade by King Baldwin of Jerusalem and King Sigurd of Norway. It then became the centre of the Lordship of Sidon, an important seigneury in the Kingdom of Jerusalem. During the Crusades it was sacked several times: it was finally destroyed by the Saracens in 1249. In 1260 it was again destroyed by the Mongols. The remains of the original walls are still visible.

1270 – Death of Theobald V of Champagne, King of Navarre

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Sidon_(1110)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobald_V_of_Champagne
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 06, 2010, 05:18:25 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

6 December

1285 – Birth of King Ferdinand IV of Castile (d. 1312) (interesting connection to Templars)

1185 – Death of King Afonso I of Portugal (b. 1109)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_IV_of_Castile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afonso_I_of_Portugal
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 08, 2010, 05:23:52 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

8 December

1432 – the first battle between the forces of Švitrigaila and Sigismund K?stutaitis is fought near the town of Oszmiana (Ashmyany), launching the most active phase of the civil war in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashmyany#History
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 11, 2010, 04:39:47 PM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

11 December

1121 – Death of Al-Afdal Shahanshah, Caliph of Egypt (b. 1066)

1241 – Death of Ogedei Khan, Emperor of the Mongol Empire

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Afdal_Shahanshah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogedei_Khan
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 12, 2010, 08:13:02 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

12 December

1098 – First Crusade: Massacre of Ma'arrat al-Numan – Crusaders breach the town's walls and massacre about 20,000 inhabitants. After finding themselves with insufficient food, they resort to cannibalism.

1408 – The Order of the Dragon a monarchical chivalric order was created by Sigismund of Luxembourg, then King of Hungary.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Ma%27arrat_al-Numan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 13, 2010, 05:41:26 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

13 December

1124 – Death of Pope Callixtus II

1250 – Death of Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1194)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Callixtus_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: GalleryGuy on December 13, 2010, 01:12:52 PM
You are cordially invited to view the Historical Figures of artist and historian George Stuart at http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/index.html (http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/index.html).

The armor, weapons and costumes were all carefully researched for his quarter life size creations. Stuart designs and fabricates everything.

Here is his Gilles de Rais, mentor of Joan of Arc and murderer of young boys!
(http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/images/GillesdeRetz_Full.jpg)

Henry IV, Sire of the Bourbon Dynasty
(http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/images/Henry_IV_Full.jpg)

Historical Figures are on display now at several museums.

See out blog at http://www.historicalfiguresfoundation.blogspot.com (http://www.historicalfiguresfoundation.blogspot.com)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 13, 2010, 03:28:04 PM
These are indeed masterful pieces of art ;D, but I don't see any of the legendary Masters of the Christian Military Orders of the Crusades in your link?  ???

What's up with that?  :o

We might like to see some key figures of this focus, such as......

Masters of the Hospital:
The Blessed Gerard (1099-1120)
Roger de Moulins (1177-1187)
Garnier of Nablus (1190-1192)
Jean de Villiers (1284-1294)

Teutonic Masters:
1198–1200 Heinrich Walpot von Bassenheim
1209–1239 Hermann von Salza

Masters of the Temple:
Hugues de Payens 1119-1136
Robert de Craon 1136-1149
Everard des Barres 1149-1152
Bernard de Tremeley 1153-1153
Andrew de Montbard 1154-1156
Bertrand de Blancfort 1156-1159
Philip de Milly (Nablus) 1169-1171
Odo de St Amand 1171-1179
Arnold de Torroja 1181-1184
Gerard de Ridefort 1185-1189
Robert de Sable 1191-1192/3
Gilbert Erail 1194-1200
Philip de Plessis 1201-1209
William de Chartres 1210-1218/9
Peter de Montaigu 1219-1230/2
Armand de Perigord 1232-1244/6
William de Sonnac 1247-1250 1247-1250
Reginald de Vichiers 1250-1256 1250-1256
Thomas Berard 1256-1273 1256-1273
William de Beaujeu 1273-1291
Theobald Gaudin 1291-1292/3
Jacques de Molay 1293-1314


Or at the very least Knight Templar Jakelin de Maille .
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 14, 2010, 05:15:44 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

14 December

1476 – Death of Vlad III the Impaler (b. 1431) Here because of his fight against the expansion of the Ottoman Turks. Still viewed by many as a state hero.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_the_Impaler
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on December 14, 2010, 09:02:15 PM
(http://www.sirclisto.com/test/temp.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 15, 2010, 05:19:31 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

15 December

1256 – Hulagu Khan (sacks Baghdad in 1258) captures and destroys the Hashshashin (Famous for their struggle against the Templars) stronghold at Alamut in present-day Iran as part of the Mongol offensive on Islamic southwest Asia.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulagu_Khan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashshashin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamut
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: GalleryGuy on December 15, 2010, 04:54:20 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on December 14, 2010, 05:15:44 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

14 December

1476 – Death of Vlad III the Impaler (b. 1431) Here because of his fight against the expansion of the Ottoman Turks. Still viewed by many as a state hero.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_the_Impaler


Here is George Stuart's take on Vlad Tepes -  
http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/Figurefull.php?abvrname=VladTepes

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: GalleryGuy on December 15, 2010, 06:01:33 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on December 13, 2010, 03:28:04 PM
These are indeed masterful pieces of art ;D, but I don't see any of the legendary Masters of the Christian Military Orders of the Crusades in your link?  ???

Stuart concentrates on 16th to 19th politics. Gilles de Rais is part of a special group called "Really Awful People".
He occasionally does a commission of Figures of other times, e.g. the Norman knight below -

(http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/images/NormanKnight_Full.jpg)


More views at http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/figuredetail.php?abvrname=NormanKnight (http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/figuredetail.php?abvrname=NormanKnight)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 16, 2010, 05:21:47 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

16 December

1325 – Death of Charles of Valois, son of Philip III of France (b. 1270) [Brother to Philip the Fair. Opposed the treatment of Templar Master in prision]

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_of_Valois
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 17, 2010, 05:20:48 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

17 December

1187 - Death of Pope Gregory VIII

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_VIII
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 17, 2010, 11:31:08 AM
It looks as Stephen Dafoes NEW book "Illustrated History of the Knights Hospitaller" has finally made it to Amazon as a pre-order

Hospitaller Book (http://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-History-Knights-Hospitaller-Stephen/dp/0711034974/ref=sr_1_11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1292606560&sr=1-11)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 17, 2010, 01:22:39 PM
Hey!!!! That's a Brother from another mother on the cover!! ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on December 17, 2010, 03:47:29 PM
Why Yes!! Yes it is!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 18, 2010, 09:29:13 AM
Prester John http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prester_John (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prester_John), this was one of my favorite stories to read around this time of the year ( even though I know its not a christmas themed story). My grandfather first told me about the legend when I was a kid. I remember a few years back reading that the original letter to reach the Byzantine Emperor was legit, but now I see its been listed as a forgery. But remember reading that the first letter was brought to the court of the Emperor by ambassadors from his kingdom.

Here is a copy of the letter:
QuoteThe Letter of Prester John (Abridged)

Sent to Emanuel of Constantinople in 1165

John, priest by the almighty power of God and the might of our Lord Jesus Christ, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, to his friend Emanuel, prince of Constantinople, greeting, wishing him health, prosperity, and the continuance of divine favor.

Our Majesty has been informed that you hold our Excellency in love and that the report of our greatness has reached you. Moreover, we have heard through our treasurer that you have been pleased to send to us some objects of art and interest that our Exaltedness might be gratified thereby. Being human, I have received it in good part, and we have ordered our treasurer to send you some of our articles in return ...

Should you desire to learn the greatness and excellency of our Exaltedness and of the land subject to our sceptre, then hear and believe: I, Presbyter Johannes, the Lord of Lords, surpass all under heaven in virtue, in riches, and in power; seventy-two kings pay us tribute ... In the three Indies our Magnificence rules, and our land extends beyond India, where rests the body of the holy apostle Thomas [Judas the Twin]; it reaches towards the sunrise over the wastes, and it trends toward deserted Babylon near the Tower of Babel. Seventy-two provinces, of which only a few are Christian, serve us. Each has its own king, but all are tributary to us.

Our land is the home of elephants, dromedaries, camels, crocodiles, meta-collinarum, cametennus, tensevetes, wild paychecks, white and red lions, white bears, white merules, crickets, griffins, tigers, lamias, hyenas, wild horses, wild oxen, and wild men -- men with horns, one-eyed men, men with eyes before and behind, centaurs, fauns, satyrs, pygmies, forty-ell high giants, cyclopses, and similar women. It is the home, too, of the phoenix and of nearly all living animals.

We have some people subject to us who feed on the flesh of men and of prematurely born animals, and who never fear death. When any of these people die, their friends and relations eat him ravenously, for they regard it as a main duty to munch human flesh. Their names are Gog, Magog, Anie, Agit, Azenach, Fommeperi, Befari, Conei-Samante, Agrimandri, Vintefolei, Casbei, and Alanei. Theses and similar nations were shut in behind lofty mountains by Alexander the Great, towards the north. We lead them at our pleasure against our foes, and neither man nor beast is left undevoured, if our Majesty gives the requisite permission. And when all our foes are eaten, then we return with our hosts home again.

These accursed fifteen [twelve?] nations will burst forth from the four quarters of the earth at the end of the world, in the times of the Antichrist, and overrun all the abodes of the saints as well as the great city Rome, which, by the way, we are prepared to give to our son who will be born, alon with all Italy, Germany, the two Gauls, Britain, and Scotland. We shall also give him Spain and all of the land as far as the icy sea.

The nations to which I have alluded, according to the words of the prophet, shall not stand in the judgement on account of their offensive practices, but will be consumed to ashes by a fire which will fall on them from heaven.

Our land streams with honey and is overflowing with milk. In one region grows no poisonous herd, nor does a querulous frog ever quack in it; no scorpion exists, nor does the serpent glide amongst the grass, not can any poisonous animals exist in it or injure anyone.

Among the heathen flows, through a certain province, the River Indus. Encircling Paradise, it spreads its arms in manifold windings through the entire province. Here are found the emeralds, sapphires, carbuncles, topazes, chrsolites, onyxes, beryls, sardius, and other costly stones. Here grows the plant Assidos which, when worn by anyone, protects him from the evil spirit, forcing it to state its business and name -- consequently the foul spirits keep out of the way there. In a certain land subject to us all kinds of pepper is gathered and is exchanged for corn and bread, leather and cloth ...

At the foot of Mount Olympus bubbles up a spring which changes its flavor hour by hour, night and day, and the spring is scarcely three days' journey from Paradise, out of which Adam was driven. If anyone has tasted thrice of the fountain, from that day he will feel no fatigue, but will, as long as he lives, be as a man of thirty years. Here are found the small stones called Nudiosi which, if borne about the body, prevent the sight from waxing feeble and restore it where it is lost. The more the stone is looked at, the keener becomes the sight.

In our territory is a certain waterless sea consisting of tumbling billows of sand never at rest. None have crossed this sea -- it lacks water all together, yet fish of various kinds are cast up upon the beach, very tasty, and the like are nowhere else to be seen.

Three days' journey from this sea are mountains from which rolls down a stony, waterless river which opens into the sandy sea. As soon as the stream reaches the sea, its stones vanish in it and are never seen again. As long as the river is in motion, it cannout be crossed; only four days a week is it possible to traverse it.

Between the sandy sea and the said mountians, in a certain plain, is a fountain of singular virtue which purges Christians and would-be Christians from all transgressions. The water stands four inches high in a hollow stone shaped like a mussel-shell. Two saintly old men watch by it and ask the comers whether they are Christians or are about to become Christians, then whether they desire healing with all their hearts. If they have answered well, they are bidden to lay aside their clothes and to step into the mussel. If what they said be true, then the water begins to rise and gush over their heads. Thrice does the water thus lift itself, and everyone who has entered the mussel leaves it cured of every complaint.

Near the wilderness trickles between barren mountians a subterranean rill which can only by chance be reached, for only occassionally the earth gapes, and he who would descend must do it with precipitation, ere the earth closes again. All that is gathered under the ground there is gem and precious stone. The brook pours into another river and the inhabitants of the neighborhood obtain thence abundance of precious stones. Yet they never venture to sell them without having first offered them to us for our private use. Should we decline them, they are at liberty to dispose of them to strangers. Boys there are trained to remain three of four days under the water, diving after the stones.

Beyond the stone river are the ten tribes of Israel which, though subject to their own kings, are, for all that, tributary to our Majesty.

In one of our lands, hight Zone, are worms called salamanders. These worms can only live in fire, and they build cocoons like silk-worms which are unwound by the ladies of our palace and spun into cloth and dresses which are worn by our Exaltedness. These dresses, in order to be cleaned and washed, are cast into flames ...

When we go to war, we have fourteen golden and bejewelled crosses borne before us instead of banners. Each of these crosses is followed by ten thousand horsemen and one hundred thousand foot soldiers, fully armed, without reckoning those in charge of the luggage and provision.

When we ride abroad plainly we have a wooden, unadorned cross without gold or gems about it, borne before us in order that we meditate on the sufferings of our Lord Jesus Christ; also a golden bowl filled with earth to remind us of that whence we sprung and that to which we must return; but besides these there is borne a sliver bowl full of gold as a token to all that we are the Lord of Lords.

All riches, such as are upon the world, our Magnificence possesses in superabundance. With us, no one lies, for he who speaks a lie is thenceforth regarded as dead -- he is no more thought of or honored by us. No vice is tolerated by us. Every year we undertake a pilgrimage, with retinue of war, to the body of the holy prophet Daniel which is near the desolated site of Babylon. In out realm fishes are caught, the blood of which dyes purple. The Amazons and the Brahmins are subject to us.

The palace in which our Superemincency resides is built after the pattern of the castle built by the apostle Thomas [Judas the Twin] for the Indian king Gundoforus. Celings joists, and architrave are of Sethym wood, the roof ebony, which can never catch fire. Over the gable of the palace are, at the extremities, two golden apples, in each of which are two carbuncles, so that the gold may shine by day and the carbuncles by night. The greater gates of the palace are of sardius with the horn of the horned snake inwrought so that no one can bring poison within. The other portals are of ebony; the windows are of crystal; the tables are partly of gold, partly of amethyst; the columns supporting the tables are partly of ivory, partly of amethyst. The court in which we watch the jousting is floored with onyx in order to increase the courage of the combatants. In the palace at night, nothing is burned for light, but wicks supplied with balsam ...

Before our palace stands a mirror, the ascent to which consists of five and twenty steps of porpyry and serpintine ... This mirror is guarded day and night by three thousand men. We look therein and behold all that is taking place in every province and region subject to our sceptre.

Seven kings wait upon us monthly, in turn, with sixty-two dukes, two hundred and fifty-six counts and marquises. Twelve archbishops sit at table with us on our right and twenty bishops on the left, besides the patriarch of St. Thomas, the Sarmatian Protopope, and the Archpope of Susa ...

Our high lord stewart is a primate and king, our cup-bearer is an archbishop and king, our chamberlain a bishop and king, and our marshal a king and abbot.

[The letter reportedly ends with a description of Prester John's church, the stones of which it is built, and the virtues of those stones.]

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 18, 2010, 10:26:19 AM
This is the part I'm most familiar with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prester_John#Mongol_Empire
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on December 19, 2010, 10:48:57 AM
Yes I too was familiar with the Mongol take on the Prester information as well. I often wondered if the info trickled down via the gospel of Thomas  form the Nag Hammadi scrolls. In which Thomas, supposedly was sent to the northern India area by Jesus to preach the word and while there he converted many. I know later Prester John was  switched it to Ethiopia. Still an interesting story. I always thought it would make a cool fantasy based crusader movie.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 20, 2010, 06:22:25 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

20 December

1192 - Richard the Lion-Heart is captured and imprisoned by Leopold V of
Austria on his way home to England after signing a treaty with Saladin
ending the Third crusade.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_the_Lion-Heart#Captivity_and_return
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 21, 2010, 06:18:14 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

21 December

1118 – Birth of Thomas Becket, Lord Chancellor of England and Archbishop of Canterbury


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Becket
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 22, 2010, 06:16:08 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

22 December

1095 – Birth of Roger II of Sicily, King of Sicily

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_II_of_Sicily
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 23, 2010, 07:24:37 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

23 December

1230 – Death of Berengaria of Navarre, queen of Richard I of England

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berengaria_of_Navarre
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 24, 2010, 07:20:10 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

24 December

1294 – Pope Boniface VIII is elected Pope, replacing St. Celestine V, who had resigned.

1166 – Birth of King John of England (d. 1216)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Boniface_VIII
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_England
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 25, 2010, 12:09:49 PM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

25 December

The Nativity of Jesus

800 – Coronation of Charlemagne as Holy Roman Emperor, in Rome. (Early like Crusades against Pagans of Germany and Moors of Spain)

1100 – Baldwin of Boulogne is crowned the first King of Jerusalem in the Church of the Nativity.

1130 – Count Roger II of Sicily is crowned the first King of Sicily.

1156 – Death of Peter the Venerable, French Benedictine abbot of Cluny (He initiated work on translations of the Koran and the Talmud in 1141, after which the Koran was required reading for all preachers of the crusades.)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Christ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_I_of_Jerusalem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_II_of_Sicily
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_the_Venerable
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on December 26, 2010, 03:12:48 AM
when is that movie going to come out about the knights? we talked about it months ago and i thought it was coming out in December or January. I can't remember the name of it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 26, 2010, 09:04:22 AM
I believe you're talking about Ironclad. It's now due out Mar 2011....a delay in production due to funding.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 26, 2010, 09:04:59 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

26 December

1194 – Birth of Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor (d. 1250)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SleepyArcher on December 27, 2010, 05:01:10 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on December 26, 2010, 09:04:22 AM
I believe you're talking about Ironclad. It's now due out Mar 2011....a delay in production due to funding.

thank you thank you...what would we do without you brother...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 27, 2010, 07:58:26 AM
Follow a path of piracy and heresy no doubt.... :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on December 27, 2010, 04:08:45 PM
This movie has been filled with delays from the beginning. I think all of us have been waiting a LONG time for it. I just hope they do it justice after all this time. At least Season of the Witch will be a fun one out in a few weeks. Since my birthday is January 3rd, it will be a gift of sorts to go see it.

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 31, 2010, 08:31:32 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

31 December

1229 – James I of Aragon the Conqueror enters Medina Mayurqa (now known as Palma, Spain) thus consummating the Christian reconquest of the island of Majorca.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_I_of_Aragon
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 01, 2011, 10:28:28 AM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/2011RFR.jpg)


Item rescinded 04/05/2011 Anno Domini
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on January 01, 2011, 02:16:28 PM
Brother Warrior Monk,

I wish thee well and safe journey on your quest. Just like in the Army, never farewell, just till we post again.

Happy New Year to you and your family from I and my family.

Sir Michael of Mentor

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on January 09, 2011, 05:41:43 AM
What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we all decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on January 14, 2011, 12:47:31 PM
Retired? Over? Leave of forums? But....but....but.....Sheesh, one of the main reasons to log on every couple of days was to read the daily Crusading History!  Wish you well on your further adventures in life, Brother.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on January 24, 2011, 02:28:25 PM
I too will miss these wonderful pieces of History. Brother Monk you will be dearly missed good brother.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Magnus on January 24, 2011, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: Hospitaller on January 14, 2011, 12:47:31 PM
Retired? Over? Leave of forums? But....but....but.....Sheesh, one of the main reasons to log on every couple of days was to read the daily Crusading History!  Wish you well on your further adventures in life, Brother.
Well said!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on March 19, 2011, 03:57:04 AM
Hail, Brothers,

For those of you who are not aware, there is a NEW hard cover history book out on Amazon called "The Illustrated History of the Knights Hospitaller" by Stephen Dafoe. Not only is there a picture of Sir Marcus on the cover in the upper part of the cross, but on page 26 there is one of him, his brother and me as well. It was a picture taken of Sir Marcus and his brother Sir Joseph of Indiana as Hospitallers with me Lord Clisto in the middle as King Richard I, out in a field at Fishers Renaissance Faire in 2009 with my camera. It also has a great caption. The book came out last October but we didn't know. It is a well done hard cover reference on the Hospitallers in full color on heavy glossy paper. Link to the book is below on Amazon. Huzzah!!

(http://www.sirclisto.com/test/hospbook.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=illustrated+history+of+the+knights+hospitaller

(http://www.sirclisto.com/test/bookpic.jpg)


Lord Clisto - God Wills It!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on March 22, 2011, 08:03:19 AM
Thank you for the tip, Lord Clisto. I will have to add that one to my collection.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on March 22, 2011, 11:52:54 AM
Here is another book just discovered by Brother Cliff de Beaumanoir, with Brother Joseph Metz in it. The book is a great book for children called "Knights, The Age of Armored Warriors." He is picture here in two different looks as a Hospitaller and Teutonic knight.

(http://www.sirclisto.com/test/joe.jpg)

HUZZAH Joe!!!

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 03, 2011, 01:09:42 AM
"Last Stand of the Templars" on National Geographic Channel

Monday April 4th at 9pm

The Templars were considered the pope's private army, protecting Jerusalem for more than 50 years. But their legacy came to a sudden end casting them from the heights of wealth and power to the dark corners of history. Now, on the ruins of a 12th century castle near the border between what are now Israel and Syria, a team of archaeologists peel away centuries of sediment, uncovering signs of a six-day siege that could have led to the Templars' demise.

Read more: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/expedition-week/5081/Overview#ixzz1IRBU7TP4

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 05, 2011, 08:02:24 AM
First off, I thought this was a good show. It's the first in a long time that had Subject Matter Experts talking on it; Wasserman and Ashbridge, that I think credible, and not the Karen Ralls that gets thrown in to develop some sort of lasting conspiracy.

This is a different filming of the Battle of Jacob's Ford that I had a movie for that I found back in 06-07. For those interested, NATGEO will be releasing a DVD of this episode at the end of this month. You can bet it will end up in my collection.

Now on to some of the items that I wanted to address.

The documentary mentioned Templar Master Odo de St Amand, but failed to give any real detail about him. An Organization like the Templars, would tend to reflect the character of the Master, as they answered to his direction. Odo was a definite stud, if you take a look at his final time on earth. He refused to be ransomed and died in prison. More than we can say for another Master a few years later. They failed to mention that he participated in the battle of Montgisard. This was the 16 year King Baldwin's finest military action against the soon to be legendary Saladin.

They mentioned and from my view point, insinuated about a Templar agenda with regards to money. This story line seems to be the most popular. The Poor Knights of Christ, not so poor as a whole but individually very Spartan. People must understand that fighting wars or policing areas requires funds to support those who will do it. There's a whole logistical effort that goes into supporting efforts like these, from food and clothing, to outposts and information. Nothing in this or that world comes or came free.

As for the banking efforts of the Temple, that too was sure to rouse anger and suspicion. When you're the only effort in town to support a concept, then you by default have a captive audience and clientele base. Until someone else comes along with a similar or better system, costs won't go down. And as armor and weapons improved, their cost goes up, thus forcing the Temple to meet the demands of purchase.

They mentioned that the Master Odo refused to be bought out when Saladin offered a heavy price in dinar for the castle at Jacob's ford. This in my opinion is simple economics and tactical/strategic awareness. Ask yourself if you would accept a lump sum payment, compared to long term annuities being paid to you. Although the immediate price tag looks good, over the long term, since the site sat on a trade route, they would have made more, or possibly cut a toll deal for unmolested passage. From a tactical/strategic viewpoint, they knew that if they sold the fortification, and it was occupied by Saladin and his forces, all the considerations I just mentioned would have been reversed. And when your opponent offers to buy you out, he's usually acting from a weaker position, whether it be strength, lack of operational commitment (soldiers then operated around harvest schedules), or knowing he was going up against Christianity's shock troops. Here as well as later, Saladin would make it a point to "make a statement to Christianity and the West" by having Warrior Monks slaughtered. If your best can't win, then who can.....

All in all, I enjoyed it very much. The actors were obviously local hires, and costumes mixed and matched. Combat scenes were typical documentary types. They did nail the hair standards correctly for the Brethren!

It scheduled to come on again tonight, and a few more nights as well.

+nnDnn+
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2011, 02:41:03 PM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

13 April

1204 – Constantinople falls to the Crusaders of the Fourth Crusade, temporarily ending the Byzantine Empire.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on April 13, 2011, 02:47:18 PM
Yeah!   History!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 13, 2011, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: amy on April 13, 2011, 02:47:18 PM
Yeah!   History!

A self imposed temporary retirement for sure. Even without posting, I found myself still researching, so I pulled a Brett Farve and came back from the Retirement scene....... :P

I am humbled that you read these posts. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on April 13, 2011, 03:15:06 PM
I believe there are many of us who find it as fascinating as I do.   It is a time travelers dream.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 14, 2011, 06:38:12 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

14 April

1205 – Battle of Adrianople between Bulgarians and Crusaders.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Adrianople_(1205)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Anna Iram on April 14, 2011, 07:24:17 AM
I'm glad to see you back as well. Yes, very enjoyable reading here . :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 14, 2011, 07:34:51 AM
Quote from: Anna Iram on April 14, 2011, 07:24:17 AM
I'm glad to see you back as well. Yes, very enjoyable reading here . :)


*bows humbly in deepest appreciation for all the kind words* ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 15, 2011, 10:28:18 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

15 April

1071 – Bari, the last Byzantine possession in southern Italy, is surrendered to Robert Guiscard. (Although not technically a part of the Crusades, Robert was fighting Saracen forces in a few of his battles, and he was the father of the famous Crusader Bohemund)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Guiscard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemund_I_of_Antioch
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 15, 2011, 11:54:49 AM
16th April

GARF :D :D :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 15, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
Welcome back Brother
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 16, 2011, 04:41:53 AM
Thank you Brother.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 16, 2011, 04:43:03 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

16 April

1198 – Death of Duke Frederick I of Austria, who had taken part in the Crusade of 1197.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I_of_Austria_(Babenberg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade_of_1197
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 17, 2011, 09:13:03 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

17 April

1278 – Birth of Michael IX Palaeologus, co-ruling Eastern Roman Emperor (d. 1320)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_IX_Palaeologus
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on April 17, 2011, 06:10:54 PM
My dearest Brother, Warrior Monk,

Welcome back from your quest. I hope all finds you and your castle well. My daughter Princess Emma sends her blessing to you. You have been missed. You comming back brings true meaning to Dues Lo Vult...for God truely must have willed it.

Stay strong my Brother and we look forward to your words of wisdom


Sir Michael of Mentor
Great Lakes Medieval Faire

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 18, 2011, 05:21:54 AM
Thank you Brother, and extend my thanks to Princess Emma. All the best to both of you. Pax vobiscum.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 18, 2011, 05:23:07 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

18 April

1506 – The cornerstone of the current St. Peter's Basilica is laid. This puts its construction during some of the most famous Crusader struggles in the Mediterranean and Hungry.

1558 –Death  Roxelana, wife of Suleiman the Magnificent (Foe of the Knights of Malta/Hospitallers), she would end up picking up their cause in a fashion in Jerusalem.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Peter%27s_Basilica
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suleiman_the_Magnificent
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 19, 2011, 06:58:22 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

19 April

1095 – 1492 Nothing to report.

See more:
http://absolutelynothing :P

With this being the case today, I thought I'd look at some other information. Today's topic is Saints who used to be Crusaders.

The following are Saints who played a role in the Crusades:
1. St. Dominic
2. St. Bernard of Clairvaux (Templar favorite)
3. St. Francis of Assisi (Challenged a Saracen Ruler)
4. St. Louis IX (Lead a Crusade)
5. St. James the Moor Slayer (The name says it all)
6. St. John of Capestrano
7. St. John of Matha


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Dominic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_of_Clairvaux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi#Missions_work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_IX_of_France#Crusading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_James_the_Moor-slayer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Capistrano
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Matha


This posting does not include those members of the Military Crusading Orders who became Saints.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 20, 2011, 06:49:35 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

20 April

1453 – The last naval battle in Byzantine history occurs, as three Genoese galleys escorting a Byzantine transport fight their way through the huge Ottoman blockade fleet and into the Golden Horn.

1314 – Death of Pope Clement V (b. 1264)- see Templar demise :'(

See more:
The fall of the Byzantine Empire stimulated the development of an Ottoman navy. Using the port and dockyard facilities which had long been in existence in or near the city and largely Greek seamen and shipwrights the Ottoman Empire came to dominate the waters of the eastern Mediterranean as it already dominated the land. The Venetians who, with the Knights of St John (previous known as the Hospitallers) from Rhodes, the only other naval power of consequence active in these waters, were faced with a new and aggressive opponent; an opponent who, unlike the Genoese, controlled the greater part of the interior of the Balkans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Clement_V
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 20, 2011, 02:07:43 PM
I am happy to see that more of the Brethren are showing up in the pages of Renaissance Magazine. Brother Marcus and Lord Clisto have been in two issues in a row, with a challenge for a third! Huzzah & Deus vult!

This issue of the magazine had an article on the brutality of medieval warfare, and although I applaud the author for his efforts, there were some misleading information.

So here is my "Letter to the Editor":

Vol. 15 #6 - Issue 78: The Brutality of Medieval Warfare

The author felt the need to mention the event involving Richard the Lionheart at Acre twice in this article. Having served as an Infantryman for twenty years, I would also put forth another possibility as to why this event took place. Richard and Christian forces had just taken Acre after it had been under a prolonged siege. Since the Muslim forces had negotiated surrender, conditions within the city would have been deplorable. This doesn't automatically change when the besieging forces capture the city. Conditions in the Crusader camp weren't any better. Top this off with the fact that the Christian forces were themselves surrounded at the time, and you get the picture of the hardship the Christians were facing.

Saladin and Richard had entered into negotiations to prevent further bloodshed during this Crusade, part of the deal centering on the return of the True Cross captured at Hattin in 1187 (A quick note: Saladin had Templars massacred at a little place called Jacob's Ford in 1179 as well). After a period of time Richard felt that Saladin was delaying or sandbagging on the deal. Up to this point, Christian forces would have had to feed these prisoners, drastically decreasing food supplies for the overall inhabitants of the city, should this new siege go on. What should Richard do?

If he kept them, he would have to guard and care for them. If he released them, he would possibly have to fight them again. Saladin was at this time awaiting the arrival of fresh troops, and a sudden gift of 2000+ soldiers and laborers at the scene would have helped drastically, not to mention the operational information they could provide about the condition of the city and Christian forces and their dispositions in side.

In a time where might made right, and visible actions displayed the sincerity of a leaders intentions, Richard opted for the one that best met the long term interests of the Christian host. Let it be noted that even though Richard never physically took possession of Jerusalem during his time in the Outremer, he never lost a battle against the great Saladin, and the negotiated terms upon his departure back to Europe allowed Christian pilgrims to visit the Holy City.

Better examples of brutality during the height of medieval and crusading warfare would have been that of the Mongols. See several key cities in both Afghanistan and Iraq during the 13th century:


Herat (1221)- The Arabs first took the city in 651 C.E., but lost and regained it several times before the issue was settled. Herat subsequently became part of the dominions of the Samanid, Ghaznavid, Saljuk and Ghorid dynasties (10th through 12th centuries C.E.). It was clearly a substantial city in those days: both Istakhri and Ibn Hawkal, geographers of the 10th century, describe a prosperous town with ample water and an unusual square plan. The city was guarded by strong mud walls with four gates and a central citadel. It held a large Friday Mosque and, in the suburbs, both a fire temple and a Christian church. But here as elsewhere, the Mongol tsunami brought disaster (1221 C.E.). Herat surrendered after a short siege, and the Mongols contented themselves with slaughtering the garrison while sparing the populace. A few months later, however, the city rose in revolt. The Mongols returned in force under the personal command of Ghengis Khan, and this time the entire population was put to the sword; contemporary accounts speak of more than a million and a half corpses. The network of irrigation canals was destroyed, the whole region devastated, and desolation reigned for decades along the Hari Rud.

Balkh (1221)- The Arabs came in the 8th century, and made it an important centre it became important in the world of Islam as the original home of the Barmakids. Under the Abbasid caliphate its fame as a center of learning earned Balkh the title "mother of cities. From his conquest of the region, Genghis Khan moved south in pursuit of a fugitive islamic prince, and surrounded the city in 1220/1. It was thought to be the oldest city of the world, and might have possibly been one of the principal cities to the primitive Aryan race. It was written at the time of the Khan's operations that the city could boast of 200 mosques and 1200 public baths. The inhabitants of the city were anxious to prevent a repeat of Herat and offered to surrender the city, but the Khan didn't trust them as long as the prince was still alive, and chose to solve the issue by force of arms. A Persian poet later wrote of the event, "The noble city he laid as smooth as the palm of his hand-its spacious and lofty structures he leveled in the dust".

Baghdad (1258)- In 1257, the Mongol ruler Möngke Khan resolved to conquer the Abbasid Caliphate next after conquering and creating vassal states out of the surrounding regions. He conscripted one out of every ten fighting men in the empire for the invasion force knowing that Baghdad was a large and central area in the region. This force, by one estimate 150,000 strong, was probably the largest ever fielded by the Mongols. It also contained a large contingent of various Christian forces, chief among which seems to have been the Georgians, who were eager to avenge the sacking of their capital, Tiflis, decades earlier by Jalal al-Din Khwarazmshah. Other participating Christian forces were the Armenian army, led by their king (Hetoum I), and some Frankish troops (soldiers of Bohemond VI ) from the Principality of Antioch. Prior to laying siege to Baghdad, Hulagu easily destroyed the Lurs, and his reputation so frightened the Assassins that they surrendered their impregnable fortress of Alamut to him without a fight in 1256. He then advanced on Baghdad.

Mongke Khan had ordered his brother to spare the Caliphate if it submitted to the authority of the Mongol Khanate. Upon nearing Baghdad, Hulagu demanded surrender; the caliph, Al-Musta'sim, refused. By many accounts, Al-Musta'sim had failed to prepare for the onslaught; he neither gathered armies nor strengthened the city's walls. Even worse, he greatly offended Hulagu Khan by threats he made, and thus assured his destruction.

Hulagu positioned his forces on both banks of the Tigris River, dividing them to form a pincer around the city. The caliph's army repulsed some of the forces attacking from the west, but were defeated in the next battle. The attacking Mongols broke some dikes and flooded the ground behind the caliph's army, trapping it. Thus were many troops slaughtered or drowned.

The Chinese contingent then laid siege to the city starting January 29, constructing a palisade and ditch, and employing siege engines and catapults. The battle was swift by siege standards: by February 5 the Mongols controlled a stretch of the wall. Al-Musta'sim begged to negotiate, but was refused.

On February 10, Baghdad surrendered. The Mongols swept into the city on February 13 and began a week of massacre and destruction. Citizens attempted to flee, but were intercepted by Mongol soldiers who killed with abandon. Close to 90,000 people may have died. Other estimates go much higher.
The Mongols looted and then destroyed mosques, palaces, libraries, and hospitals. Grand buildings that had been the work of generations were burned to the ground.
The caliph was captured and forced to watch as his citizens were murdered and his treasury plundered. According to most accounts, the caliph was killed by trampling. The Mongols rolled the caliph up in a rug, and rode their horses over him, as they believed that the earth was offended if touched by royal blood. All but one of his sons were killed, and the sole surviving son was sent to Mongolia, where Mongolian historians report he married and fathered children, but played no role in Islam thereafter.
Hulagu had to move his camp upwind of the city, due to the stench of decay from the ruined city.
All splendid examples of the ruthlessness of medieval warfare.

The author also mentioned Arnaud-Amaury's famous quote of "Kill them all, God will know his own" (made famous in the shirts of "Kill them all and let God sort them out"). He stated that this occurred under Richard III. This would have been quite impossible as there is a period of 200 years between the men.

Arnaud-Amaury was the Papal Legate during the Albigensian Crusade or Cathar Crusade (1209–1229). This was a "Crusading" action that took place in Southern France. Richard III wouldn't be born until 2 October 1452 and he died in 22 August 1485.

Thanks for an article on the reality of medieval warfare!

Brother Cliff de Beaumanoir
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 20, 2011, 07:37:56 PM
Excellent information Brother.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 21, 2011, 05:22:52 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

21 April

1095 – 1492:  Nothing of note, so I'll include some Crusades related trivia, for the next time you're at the pub, waiting for the closing song to start, just lean on over to that pirate or wench next to you and tell them.........

1.   The beginning of the Crusades can be found in the defeat of the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert in 1071, which cost them most of Asia Minor. The Byzantines lost the battle because the Turkish Sultan, on the edge of defeat, bought Byzantine's mercenaries, leading to a crushing Turkish victory, and causing the Byzantines to ask the Pope for help to recover the territory. As early as 1074 (21 years prior to Pope Urban II's call), Pope Gregory VII entertained plans to launch a military expedition to help, but nothing came of it.

2.   In the first Crusade in 1096, two armies of beggars set out alongside the knights, one army from southern France and the other from Germany, regions that had been suffering from famine recently. When travelling towards Palestine, these armies plundered many cities on the Rhine and in southern Germany, killing Jews and in some cases Christians. They never reached the Holy Land; they were defeated in Turkey and were slaughtered or sold into slavery.


3.   One of the most unusual military maneuvers ever was performed in 1191, during the third Crusade, when Richard the Lion-Hearted captured the city of Acre. The inhabitants were barricaded inside, so King Richard is recorded to have had his soldiers throw 100 beehives over the walls.


4.   During the Crusades, the symbol of the star and crescent moon was commonly worn—by Christian soldiers. The Star and Crescent originally symbolized the city of Constantinople (now Istanbul), and was first used as a Muslim symbol only after the Turks captured the city in 1453.


5.   Honey was used as a synonym for anything pleasant ("land of milk and honey") in ancient and mediaeval times because it was about the only sweetener then available to the West. Sugar didn't reach Europe in quantity until the twelfth century, when returning Crusaders brought it with them from the East.

6.   A method of hardening steel swords in the Middle Ages was the damascene process of thrusting a superheated blade in the body of a slave and then into cold water. Crusaders discovered, to their dismay, that swords made of Damascus steel were more resilient and harder than those of European manufacture. Europeans did not discover the secret until 500 years after the Crusades, however, when it was discovered that thrusting a red-hot sword into a mass of animal skins soaking in water had a similar effect to the Damascus method. The nitrogen given off by the skins in the water produces a chemical reaction in the steel.

7.   The use of canes or walking sticks was at one time forbidden in Rome by Imperial edict, except to persons of patrician rank, thus making their use a privilege that came to be popular among the nobility. During the Middle Ages the use of canes as a status symbol died out, but was re-established by pilgrims and soldiers returning from the Holy Land during the Crusades.

8.   In the first half of the thirteenth century, there was a higher intensity of Crusading activity than at any other time. This period saw Crusades against Muslims in Egypt, Palestine, and Iberia, Orthodox Christians in Constantinople, heretics in France, Germany, and Hungary, non-Christian Baltic people, Mongols, and various enemies of the Pope.

9.   King Juan Carlos I of Spain holds the title "King of Jerusalem", as successor to the royal family of Naples. The title was also continuously used by the Angevin kings of Naples, whose founder, Charles of Anjou, had bought a claim to the throne from Mary of Antioch. Thereafter, this claim to the kingdom of Jerusalem was treated as a tributary of the crown of Naples, which often changed hands by testament or conquest rather than direct inheritance. As Naples was a papal fief, the Popes often endorsed the title of King of Jerusalem as well as of Naples, and the history of these claims is that of the Neapolitan Kingdom.

There are several potential claimants today on the basis of (disputed) inheritance of the title. None of these has, or claims, any power in the area of the former Kingdom.

1)   Juan Carlos I, current king of Spain
2)   Victor Emmanuel, Prince of Naples, claimant to the royal throne of Italy (House of Savoy)
3)   Amedeo, 5th Duke of Aosta, claimant to the royal throne of Italy (House of Savoy-Aosta)
4)   Otto von Habsburg, claimant to the imperial throne of Austria and the royal thrones of Hungary and Bohemia (House of Habsburg-Lorraine)[may surrender this claim shortly as he's over 98 years of age]
5)   Infante Carlos, Duke of Calabria, claimant to the royal throne of Two Sicilies (House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies Calabria line)
6)   Prince Carlo, Duke of Castro, claimant to the royal throne of Two Sicilies (House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies Castro line)
7)   Charles-Antoine Lamoral, prince de Ligne de La Trémoïlle, heir-general of Yolande-Louise of Savoy and the Brienne claims

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 22, 2011, 04:47:48 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

22 April (Also Good Friday, but I listed no events tied to this day)

1451 – Birth of Isabella I of Castile (d. 1504) Royalty of the longest and successful Crusade (Reconquista)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_I_of_Castile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 23, 2011, 08:13:44 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

23 April

1229 – Ferdinand III of Castile conquers Cáceres.

1343 – Estonia: St. George's Night Uprising. (Fans of the Teutonic Knights)

1170 –Birth of  Isabelle of Hainaut, queen of France (d. 1190)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_III_of_Castile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A1ceres,_Spain#History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._George%27s_Night_Uprising
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabelle_of_Hainaut
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 23, 2011, 10:06:19 PM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

24 April

1254 - King Louis departs for France after a failed seventh Crusade from Acre leaving 100 knights to garrison the city at his expense.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Crusade

Easter Day

On Easter day 1197, the eldest son of Frederick I (Barbarossa-who died while leading troops in support of the Third Crusade) of Germany, Henry VI summoned his subjects to Crusade and promised to supplement Crusaders with 3000 mounted mercenaries.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor#Third_Crusade_and_death
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VI,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade_of_1197
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 25, 2011, 05:06:36 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

25 April

1214 – Birth of King Louis IX of France (d. 1270)

1265 – Death of Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester, English crusader

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_IX_of_France#Crusading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Quincy,_2nd_Earl_of_Winchester
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 25, 2011, 05:19:40 AM
I would also like to extend a welcome to Hospitaller Brother J. Heaton who has now just joined the forums.


(http://i52.tinypic.com/2ahuzde.jpg)
Brother Heaton at GARF 2011
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 26, 2011, 05:19:20 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

26 April

570 – Birth of Muhammed, founder of Islam, according to the Shi'a sect. (d.632) (goes without saying why this is here)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammed
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother J. Heaton on April 26, 2011, 11:06:24 AM
Fra' Cliff, loved your letter to the editor. The politically correct world always makes the Christian out to be a monster ! Like this day in crusader history also. Looks like I'll have to spend some time catching up. Brother Sargent Heaton
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 26, 2011, 12:36:32 PM
Quote from: Brother J. Heaton on April 26, 2011, 11:06:24 AM
Fra' Cliff, loved your letter to the editor. The politically correct world always makes the Christian out to be a monster ! Like this day in crusader history also. Looks like I'll have to spend some time catching up. Brother Sargent Heaton

Glad to see you made our humble thread Brother. Should you have any old photos of you sporting your Order's habit, please post them, as some use this thread to develop their own commitments.  ;D

Difficile est tenere quae acceperis nisi exerceas.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on April 26, 2011, 01:29:05 PM
Welcome to our little corner of the world, Brother Heaton! Always happy to see new worthies on board. Feel free to post any pictures of you in your Order's habit.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on April 26, 2011, 01:35:08 PM
welcome brother J. Heathern
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 27, 2011, 02:53:31 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Outremer/GFTHL.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 27, 2011, 05:17:28 AM
Brother Marcus- well done! I just ordered one.  ;) Hopefully it will be here by this weekend's return visit to GARF.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 27, 2011, 05:18:34 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

27 April

1147 – A Chapter meeting of the Paris Temple welcomed both King Louis VII and Pope Eugenius III in the build up of the Crusade's departure (this being the Second Crusade). Also present were four archbishops, 130 Templar Knights and at least as many Templar Sergeants and squires. Eugenius appointed Aymar, the Templar treasurer; to receive the tax he imposed on all Church goods to finance the Crusade. It is also believed that at this meeting, that the Pope conferred the on the Templars the right to wear the red cross on their white mantles, which symbolized their willingness to suffer martyrdom in defending the Holy Land against the infidel.

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2ry679h.jpg)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Eugene_III
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_VII_of_France
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on April 27, 2011, 09:28:33 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on April 27, 2011, 05:18:34 AM
It is also believed that at this meeting, that the Pope conferred the on the Templars the right to wear the red cross on their white mantles, which symbolized their willingness to suffer martyrdom in defending the Holy Land against the infidel.

Detail Note: Pope Eugenius III also requested that the red cross is to be placed upon the left chest



(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/th50px-Cross_of_the_Knights_Temp-1.png) God Wills it!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 28, 2011, 05:18:14 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

28 April

1192 – Assassination of Conrad of Montferrat (Conrad I), King of Jerusalem, in Tyre, two days after his title to the throne is confirmed by election. The killing is carried out by Hashshashin (also known as th Assassins, who paid annual tribute to the Templars).

1192 – Death of Conrad of Montferrat (Conrad I), King of Jerusalem (obviously) :P

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_of_Montferrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 28, 2011, 08:31:54 PM
Quote from: Sir William Marcus on April 27, 2011, 09:28:33 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on April 27, 2011, 05:18:34 AM
It is also believed that at this meeting, that the Pope conferred the on the Templars the right to wear the red cross on their white mantles, which symbolized their willingness to suffer martyrdom in defending the Holy Land against the infidel.

Detail Note: Pope Eugenius III also requested that the red cross is to be placed upon the left chest



(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Renaissance%20Album/th50px-Cross_of_the_Knights_Temp-1.png) God Wills it!!!
GOD WILLS IT !!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 29, 2011, 05:19:43 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

29 April

711 – Islamic conquest of Hispania: Moorish troops led by Tariq ibn-Ziyad land at Gibraltar to begin their invasion of the Iberian Peninsula (Al-Andalus). (This is what prompts the "Reconquista" which will last until 1492)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother J. Heaton on April 29, 2011, 08:42:38 AM
Gonna try this again ! ! ! Been having problems with the "lg" for the last few days. I thank yall for the welcomes. To let yall know I'm simi computor illiterate and have never been on any type of forums before. Some were asking for pics in costume and I have no idea how to even get pics to the forum and my "lg" has just dissconnected,so I'll continue to write until it comes back up?? If any of the "WISE" can give me instructions on how to post pics I will be glad of the info. Brother Cliff, I did not know that the moon and stars that islam uses was at first Byzantine?( hope I spelled it right?) I've gone back a number of pages to read your reseach and find it interesting to say the least. You must spend hours a day on it.  Well, I'v got a connection again so I'll say farewell Your Brother in Christ Brother Heaton.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 29, 2011, 09:12:39 AM
Frater Heaton,

My medieval, crusading, historian life is interupted daily by 8 hours of mandatory "mundaness" that helps to pay the bills.

Sent PM on photo posting.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on April 29, 2011, 08:59:51 PM
Hey, I have that as well... Must be an old variation of the plague.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 30, 2011, 07:51:04 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

30 April

855- (This falls within the period known as the Reconquista: 722-1492) Amator an ordained priest, a monk named Peter and a layman called Louis (Ludovicus), were executed by the Emirate for blaspheming Islam in Cordoba, Spain.

1131 – Death of Adjutor, Roman Catholic Saint

1245 – Birth of King Philip III of France (d. 1285)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_C%C3%B3rdoba
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjutor
http://giverny.org/vernon/stadjgb.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_III_of_France
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 01, 2011, 08:51:41 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

1 May

1187- Battle of Cresson leading up to the Battle of Hattin in July.

1275- Pope Gregory X effected a truce between Michael Palæologus and Charles of Anjou. In the meantime Philip III, King of France, the King of England, and the King of Aragon made a vow to go to the Holy Land. Unfortunately the death of Gregory X brought these plans (which would have been a Tenth Crusade as the Ninth had been from 1271-72) to nought. The last city held by the Christians in the Holy Land fell on 1291 (Acre).

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cresson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_Naples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_VIII_Palaiologos
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on May 01, 2011, 11:20:16 PM
The crusade for Bin Laden comes to an end. Mark this day in modern crusader history. GOD WILLED IT!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 02, 2011, 05:20:51 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

2 May  

1312    The papal bull Ad providam, is issued.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_providam
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 02, 2011, 05:22:27 AM
Quote from: Lord Clisto of York on May 01, 2011, 11:20:16 PM
The crusade for Bin Laden comes to an end. Mark this day in modern crusader history. GOD WILLED IT!!!

One significant battle in still what will be a very long "Crusade" as THEY call it!

Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 02, 2011, 09:17:59 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Animated%20gifs/binladen-1.gif)  GOD WILLS IT!!!!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 03, 2011, 05:21:38 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

3 May:[/b]

1270 – Death of King Béla IV of Hungary (b. 1206)

1481 – Death of Mehmed II, Ottoman Sultan (b. 1432)- opponent of the Hospitallers/Knights of St John/Rhodes/Malta.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9la_IV_of_Hungary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_II_of_Hungary#The_Fifth_Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Hospitaller

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 04, 2011, 05:23:28 AM
Today in Medieval Crusading History:

4 May:

Nothing of note, so I thought I'd address a unique bible that was produced during the time.

The Maciejowski Bible (also known as the Morgan Bible)

(http://i52.tinypic.com/243iuxh.jpg)
Photo: Section of the Maciejowski bible showing Goliath wearing a kettle helm.

This book has long been thought to have been created under the direction of Louis IX of France in the mid-1240s, but most likely illuminated in the northern counties of France, ca. 1250. Originally it probably contained only paintings, organized in a consistent visual rhythm from page to page. Within 100 years, the book acquired marginal inscriptions in Latin describing the scenes illustrated. Cardinal Bernard Maciejowski, Bishop of Kraków, had the book given as a gift to Abbas I (Shah of Persia) in 1608. Abbas ordered inscriptions in Persian to be added, mostly translating the Latin ones already there. Later, perhaps in the eighteenth century, inscriptions were added in Judeo-Persian. Thus the book consists of beautiful paintings of events from Hebrew scripture, set in the scenery and customs of thirteenth-century France, depicted from a Christian perspective, and surrounded by text in three scripts and five languages (Latin, Persian, Arabic, Judeo-Persian, and Hebrew).

The Morgan Bible is a masterpiece of Gothic art. It testifies impressively to how persons make sense of words and images. Historical recreationists, such as members of the Society for Creative Anachronism, find in it valuable evidence about medieval clothing, weapons, and armor.

Two folios are kept in the Bibliothèque nationale de France. A single folio is kept in the J. Paul Getty Museum, Los Angeles.

See more:
http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/maciejowski_bible.htm
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Maciejowski&ei=x_K_TcbSNIeTtwfR0YTABQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCEQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DBernard%2BMaciejowski%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1018%26bih%3D638%26prmd%3Divnso
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbas_I_(Shah_of_Persia)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 05, 2011, 05:20:20 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

5 May

1215 – Rebel barons renounce their allegiance to King John (Brother to King Richard the Lionheart) of England — part of a chain of events leading to the signing of the Magna Carta.

1210 – Birth of King Afonso III of Portugal (d. 1279) (Reconquista participant)

1028 – Death of King Alfonso V of Castile, León, and Galicia (b. 994) (Reconquista participant)

1219 – Death of King Leo II of Armenia (b. 1150) (Fought against Mamluks at Battle of Mari)

1309 – Death of King Charles II of Naples (b. 1254) (Aragonese Crusade)

1426 – Death of Ephraim of Nea Makri, Greek Orthodox saint (b. 1384) (Died at the hands of Ottoman Turks)

See More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afonso_III_of_Portugal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_V_of_Le%C3%B3n
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_II_of_Armenia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mari
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Naples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephraim_of_Nea_Makri
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother J. Heaton on May 05, 2011, 08:10:42 AM
(http://i54.tinypic.com/303h8q1.jpg) Trying my first pic. Last year at the ga. ren fest.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 05, 2011, 08:13:32 AM
Brother Heaton, was he your prisoner?  ;) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 05, 2011, 08:14:10 AM
"Only the weak believe that what they do in battle is who they are as men."

Deadline has debuted a bloody new red band trailer for Jonathan English's medieval action movie Ironclad, starring James Purefoy as one of the Knights Templar who must defend the Rochester Castle against the tyrannical King John, played by Paul Giamatti.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/05/hot-unrated-trailer-ironclad/

ARC Entertainment will release on VOD June 8 and in theaters July 8.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 06, 2011, 04:01:43 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

6 May

1097- Crusader forces arrive outside the town of Nicea. (A city they hoped to have won by siege, but were robbed by the underhanded efforts of the Byzantine Emperor: Alexius)

See More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Nicaea
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother J. Heaton on May 06, 2011, 10:39:42 AM
 That is Ahmed, the Captian of my turcoples. I remember reading somewhere that the Order of St. John had Syrian moslems as turcoples. Now how long it lasted ??? don't know???I thought it odd that a Christian order would have infidels fighting beside them. Nowhere have I found why this specific group of Syrians would fight for the Christians???  In Christ Brother Heaton
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 06, 2011, 11:38:56 AM
Turcopoles were the Latin Syrian mercenaries employed by the Order. These were light mounted troops used as auxiliaries and scouts and were known for their use of the composite bow and their skill at Saracen fighting techniques.

Syria was actually the home of a large number of Christains prior to the launching of the Crusades. Some being more Orthodox than Roman.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turcopole
http://turcopole.co.tv/
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother J. Heaton on May 06, 2011, 12:35:19 PM
Thank you Brother Cliff, all I read was a sentence, and in a nut shell,from a certain area in Syria this tribe supplied turcoples for the Hospitallers. I just presumed they were moslem.  Brother Heaton
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 06, 2011, 12:42:29 PM
Not a problem. We have actually recruited some lads who do Turcopoles at festivals.

Bottom line is some may have been Muslim. ;D

Added some reference links.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on May 06, 2011, 12:43:30 PM
whos a muslim?  :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on May 06, 2011, 09:55:50 PM
It's a secret...shhh....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 06, 2011, 11:07:14 PM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

7 May

1104-The Battle of Harran took place between the Crusader states of the Principality of Antioch and the County of Edessa, and the Seljuk Turks. 

1274- The Second Council of Lyons opened 7 May.

See More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Harran
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Council_of_Lyons
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09476c.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 08, 2011, 08:15:24 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

8 May

1192 – Death of Duke Ottokar IV of Styria (b. 1163) (Third Crusade participant)

See More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottokar_IV,_Duke_of_Styria
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 08, 2011, 10:58:03 AM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/96mdqg.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 09, 2011, 10:16:40 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

9 May

1315 – Death of Hugh V, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1282)


See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_V,_Duke_of_Burgundy
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 10, 2011, 04:00:24 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

10 May

1291 – At the time the Holy Land was lost to the Christians, Scottish nobles recognized the authority of Edward I (Crusader at one time) of England.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England#Crusade_and_accession
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 10, 2011, 05:31:18 PM
For those looking for some new garb concepts, I've put together this album of a variety of Crusader related Warrior Monks and Clergy.

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1824375581895.100076.1615414820&l=f47db3bb12
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 11, 2011, 04:01:47 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

11 May

1310 – In France, fifty-four members of the Knights Templar are burned at the stake as heretics. >:( >:( >:(

1304 – Death of Mahmud Ghazan, Mongol ruler (b. 1271) (Military friend of Crusaders)

See more:
http://blog.templarhistory.com/2010/08/brethren-persecuted-%E2%80%93-part-3/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_Ghazan#Mamluk-Ilkhanid_War
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 12, 2011, 03:47:19 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

12 May

1191 – Richard I (Greatest of Crusader Kings) of England marries Berengaria of Navarre who is crowned Queen consort of England the same day.

1264 – The Battle of Lewes, between King Henry III of England and the rebel Simon de Montfort, 6th Earl of Leicester (former Crusader), begins.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lewes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_de_Montfort,_6th_Earl_of_Leicester

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 13, 2011, 04:00:03 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

13 May

1162 – Death of Géza II of Hungary (b. 1130)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9za_II_of_Hungary
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 13, 2011, 05:12:38 AM
A word on Friday the 13th:

One of the origins of the superstition traces the event to the arrest of the legendary Knights Templar. (Although for Knights Templar fans, it holds more meaning when occuring in October)

The Knights Templar were a monastic military order founded in Jerusalem in 1118 C.E. Their original mission was to guide and protect Christian pilgrims along the path from Europe to Jerusalem during the Crusades. Through this mission, the Templars developed a banking system to protect the finances of the traveling pilgrims, then expanded this system throughout their holdings in Europe. Over time, France's Philip IV of France amassed a debt to the Knights Templar for years of service. He had nearly depleted his money due to his ongoing battles with England. King Phillip became envious of the Knights Templar and their rise to power, so he set his sights on their famed fortunes. Philip devised a plan to arrest all the Knights Templar and charge them with crimes so devastating that no person or group would come to their defense. The charges against them were religious in nature and backed by the papacy of the Vatican and Pope Clement V. His plan had to be swift and carefully put together so as to not alert the Templars in advance.


King Phillip's orders were sent a month in advance to the King's Men and other Bailiffs. They were not to be opened till dawn on Friday, October 13, 1307. The charges against the Templars were of the highest accusations of heresy: that the Knights Templar asked members to spit on the cross and step on it, to deny Christ, to perform homosexual acts, and so on. The king's orders were to engage and arrest every Templar in France. All Templar outposts, homes, wineries, mills, and castles were to be taken in the name of the King of France and Pope Clement V. This nationwide arrest was widely successful, and medieval torture tactics were used to obtain confessions from the Knights. This single act against the Templar Order is now viewed as one of the most unlucky days in History - Friday the 13th. King Phillip attempted to further bury the Templars in a public manner: a large event in front of the Notre Dame Cathedral would have Templar Grand Master Jacques De Molay publicly admit guilt of heresy. Instead, the defeated grandmaster took to his forum and apologized to the people and Templar Knights for his weakness and for signing forced confessions. He then rescinded his original confession and testified to the public that he, his men, and all Templar Knights were innocent, despite their forced confessions. An embarrassed King Phillip was enraged by the old man's actions and had him burned at the stake along with his second-in-command. De Molay's dying last words were to curse King Phillip and Pope Clement V, claiming that by the year's end they both would meet their demise. To add to the superstition of the Friday the 13th and to the power of the Templars both men did die that year.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/FridayOctober131307_flat4.jpg)

The connection between the Friday the 13th superstition and the Knights Templar was popularized in the 2003 novel The Da Vinci Code.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 14, 2011, 01:57:02 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

14 May

1097- Siege of Nicaea begins and lasts till 19 June.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Nicaea
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 15, 2011, 07:08:37 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

15 May

1252 – Pope Innocent IV issues the papal bull ad exstirpanda, which authorizes, but also limits, the torture of heretics in the Medieval Inquisition. (Templars would see this in full effect in less than 100 years)

1174 – Death of Nur ad-Din Zangi, ruler of Syria (b. 1118)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_exstirpanda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nur_ad-Din_Zangi
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 16, 2011, 04:47:59 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

16 May

1204 – Baldwin IX, Count of Flanders is crowned as the first Emperor of the Latin Empire.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_I_of_Constantinople
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 17, 2011, 05:17:59 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

17 May

1101 – Crusaders complete the capture of Caesarea (In 1101, soldiers were paid two pounds of pepper each for their role in the capture of Caesarea.)

1102- Battle of Ramla

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesarea_Maritima#Crusader_city
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ramla_(1102)

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 18, 2011, 05:02:23 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

18 May

1152 – Henry II of England marries Eleanor of Aquitaine (a Crusader on the Second Crusade and Mother to the greatest of Crusaders-Richard the Lionheart).

1268 – The Principality of Antioch, a crusader state, falls to the Mamluk Sultan Baibars in the Battle of Antioch.

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine#Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine#Ancestors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Antioch

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 19, 2011, 05:14:35 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

19 May

1102 – Death of Stephen II, Count of Blois (b. c.1045)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_II,_Count_of_Blois
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 20, 2011, 05:17:24 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

20 May

1217 – The Second Battle of Lincoln is fought near Lincoln, England, resulting in the defeat of Prince Louis of France by William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke. (This battle would have taken place in and around various Templar and Hospitaller holdings in England)

1277 – Death of Pope John XXI (b. 1215)

1285 – Death of John II of Jerusalem, King of Cyprus (b. 1259)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Lincoln
http://www.ancientquest.com/templarsites/engl-mid/oxon/015-index-cowley.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_XXI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_II_of_Jerusalem
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Yawehtah on May 20, 2011, 11:24:13 AM
I was just talking about mercenaries on create a character under the thread, do they exist? http://www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/index.php?topic=10717.0,
and about how some mercenaries are of the religious type, and speaking about England and its mercenaries, how one theory of how one Roman Emperor, called Septimius Severus,
who died in the UK, could have came from England as a mercenary and conquered Rome, but this is not possible.

Another theory of England is how, King Harald of England or mispelled 'Herod' was King of Jesus Christ, and Jesus went from England as a mercenary to Rome as well, but again this is not possible.

lol
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 20, 2011, 01:16:25 PM
I am not sure what you are getting at brother, especially on this thread.

A mercenary is a person who takes part in an armed conflict, who is not a national or a party to the conflict, and is "motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party".

Did mercenaries exist within other countries, absolutely. The Crusades had plenty, some could even be consider in the class of Turcopole. But I can't see where one would be a mercenary by definition for religion, as the result is to gain some sort of tangible reward, not spiritual. A Warrior by this focus would be more of a devout servant of his faith, Crusader, Jihadi, etc. Their reward is heaven (quite intangible) or martyrdom, a legacy, but nothing a mercenary would benefit from.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on May 20, 2011, 09:24:41 PM
A mercenary specifically works for reward. Usually money or land. They were good at what they did, but at a price and the highest bidder got them. It was not uncommon for them to fight for one person and their cause one time, and then fight against them the next, being paid more from the other side. Religion really had nothing to do with whom they followed during a crusade or specific "job". To do so would give purpose to why and what they did. They have no specific purpose other than to make money or get rewarded materilistically for what they did. It also gave them braging rights or status if they survived, thus uping their worth for any other person wishing to aquire their services.

A good example of this is in Elezibethan time with the Gremans. The German Landsknechts were hired mercenaries. Queen Elizabeth hired them to do many thing for her from guards to protection to fight in battles etc.

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 21, 2011, 08:24:09 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

21 May

1254 – Death of King Conrad IV of Germany (b. 1228)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_IV_of_Germany
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 22, 2011, 08:56:06 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

22 May

1176 – The Hashshashin (Assassins) attempt to murder Saladin near Aleppo. (A medieval version of SEAL Team 6?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashshashin
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Butch on May 22, 2011, 08:11:21 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on May 22, 2011, 08:56:06 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

22 May

1176 – The Hashshashin (Assassins) attempt to murder Saladin near Aleppo. (A medieval version of SEAL Team 6?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashshashin

Great analogy!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 23, 2011, 05:22:48 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

23 May

1125 – Death of Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1081)(struggled against Papal authority during the time of the first Crusade)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 24, 2011, 05:15:04 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

24 May

1218 – The Fifth Crusade leaves Acre for Egypt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Crusade
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 25, 2011, 05:19:59 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

25 May

1085 – Alfonso VI of Castile takes Toledo, Spain back from the Moors (Preceding the First Crusade, in the time of El Cidin the period of the Reconquista).

1420 – Henry the Navigator is appointed governor of the Order of Christ (The Military Order derived from the now disbanded Order of the Temple/Templars).

1261 – Death of Pope Alexander IV

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_VI_of_Castile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_the_Navigator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Christ_(Portugal)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_IV
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 26, 2011, 05:21:39 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

26 May

1135 – Alfonso VII of León and Castile is crowned in the Cathedral of Leon as Imperator totius Hispaniae, "Emperor of all of Spain".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_VII_of_Le%C3%B3n_and_Castile
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 27, 2011, 05:19:42 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

27 May

1096- The First Crusaders enter Mainz, and go pure "Mel Gibson" on the Jewish population. The Jews on numerous occasions received horrific treatment like this despite mandates delivered by Papal Authority and various Kings (Richard the Lionheart).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews_in_the_First_Crusade
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 27, 2011, 10:57:49 PM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

28 May

1371 – Birth of John the Fearless, Duke of Burgundy (d. 1419)(Fought Ottoman Turks)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Fearless
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on May 28, 2011, 12:57:48 PM
I sense a Burgundian War in the future...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 29, 2011, 07:41:02 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

29 May

1453- Constantinople falls to Sultan Mehmed II. >:( :'(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 30, 2011, 08:46:09 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

30 May

The crusade of the priest Folkmar, beginning in Saxony, persecuted Jews in Magdeburg and later, on May 30, 1096 in Prague in Bohemia. The Catholic Bishop Cosmas attempted to prevent forced conversions, and the entire Catholic hierarchy in Bohemia preached against such acts. Duke Bratislav was out of the country and the Catholic Church's officials' protests were unable to stop the mob of crusaders.

A continuation of the post from a few days ago, about attacks against the Jews during the First Crusade.

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom#Medieval
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 31, 2011, 05:22:33 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

31 May

1223 –Battle of the Kalka River – Mongol armies of Genghis Khan led by Subutai defeat Kievan Rus and Cumans. This is on their southward path towards the Outremer. They would eventually sack Baghdad in 1258, having done the same operation to several Afghan cities in 1222. Prince Edward (Best known as Edward I or Longshanks, Hammer of the Scots) would open a dialogue with the Mongols in the hopes they would assist in the retaking of the Holy City.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Kalka_River
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on May 31, 2011, 06:22:51 PM
Guess who's in the new issue of Renaissance Magazine? Brother Cliff and Brother Joe, Templar and Hospitaller

(http://www.sirclisto.com/test/cliffjoe1.jpg)

HUZZAH brothers!!!

Lord Clisto
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 31, 2011, 08:14:34 PM
Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 01, 2011, 06:34:00 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

1 June

1298 – residents of Riga and Grand Duchy of Lithuania defeated the Livonian Order in the Battle of Turaida.

1434 – Death of Wladislaus II of Poland (b. 1362)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonian_Order
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Turaida
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jogaila
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 02, 2011, 06:39:09 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

2 June

1098 – First Crusade: The first Siege of Antioch ends as Crusader forces take the city. The second siege would later start on June 7.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Antioch
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 07, 2011, 05:21:42 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

7 June

1099 – The First Crusade: The Siege of Jerusalem begins. (912th Anniversary)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 07, 2011, 03:25:30 PM
Warrior Monks as Cover Models.........the world is ours!  :P ;) ;D

(http://i51.tinypic.com/11ijx54.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 08, 2011, 05:22:13 AM
 This date in Medieval Crusading History:

8 June

1191 – Richard I arrives in Acre (Israel) thus beginning his crusade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_I#In_the_Holy_Land

632 – Death of Muhammad, Prophet of Islam (b. 570) [posted due to relevance]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 09, 2011, 05:20:11 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

9 June

721 – Odo of Aquitaine defeats the Moors in the Battle of Toulouse. (Reconquista related)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odo_of_Aquitaine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Toulouse_(721)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 10, 2011, 05:18:14 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

10 June

1190 – Third Crusade: Frederick I Barbarossa drowns in the river Saleph while leading an army (greater in size than those brought by Philip or Richard) to Jerusalem).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor#Third_Crusade_and_death
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ksu
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 11, 2011, 04:05:45 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

11 June

1216 – Death of Henry of Flanders, Emperor of the Latin Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_of_Flanders
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 13, 2011, 08:07:57 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

13 June

823 – Birth of Charles the Bald, Holy Roman Emperor and King of the West Franks (d. 877) (Fought against Saracen expansion)

1036 – Death of Ali az-Zahir, caliph (b. 1005) (allowed the Church of the Holy Sepulchre to be rebuilt after being destroyed by occupying Muslim forces)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_the_Bald
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_az-Zahir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 13, 2011, 08:54:20 AM
well i've started watching Arn
so far my thoughts are thus

1. arn is not a bad looking fellow( his brother looks like a pumkin though)

2. the costumes are great

3. the story line is good

4. i want to punch mother superior

5. why the hay day didn't they just run away and live in another country instead of allowing the church to keep them apart?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 13, 2011, 09:04:13 AM
Sister,
It's good to hear you're now watching quality entertainment. Quick note: if you're watching the US Blueray/DVD release, then you're missing a lot of background character information that was in the two Swedish releases. Still it is a good movie.

Now to address your comments:

1. Arn is not a bad looking fellow( his brother looks like a pumkin though)- didn't know he had a brother, as the Swedish films don't show this. Only a friend. As for looks, there is no comment. :)

2. the costumes are great- yes, except that most of the Templars are wearing Knights of Christ crosses. An Order that came about after the dissolution of the Templars in Portugal. :o

3. the story line is good-Anything with the Crusades and heroic Templars would be. ;D

4. i want to punch mother superior – any heretic would. ;)

5. why the hay day didn't they just run away and live in another country instead of allowing the church to keep them apart?- because then there wouldn't have been a reason to make a movie about it....
:P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 13, 2011, 09:30:03 AM
netflicks doesn't tell me which release it is.

do you remember the part where the guy insults his father and says one of his sons is a nun and the other is a beer keg

i wondered if the crosses were wrong
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 13, 2011, 10:26:53 AM
For some reason I wasn't tying him in as a brother. ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 14, 2011, 05:17:41 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

14 June

1098: Peter Bartholomew finds the Holy Lance during the First Crusade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Bartholomew
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08773a.htm
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 14, 2011, 12:26:34 PM
comment

6. his horse is beautiful
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 14, 2011, 02:56:13 PM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on June 14, 2011, 12:26:34 PM
6. his horse is beautiful

That's called transference. The fact that a Templar sits upon the horse's back cause's this rare event to occur (due in no small part to the radiance of the Templar's faith), thus making the horse look beautiful. ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 15, 2011, 05:19:21 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

15 June

1215 – King John of England (Richard the Lionheart's brother) puts his seal to the Magna Carta.

1389 – Battle of Kosovo: The Ottoman Empire defeats Serbs and Bosnians. (Hospitaller involvement)

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_England
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 15, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
7. o.k. it was a beautiful love story

8. i did not like the end

9. Warrior what were you doing serving the enemy( i saw you)

10. all in all it was a good movie but i'm the type who wants a happy ending it was romantic that he died in her arms but it was sad.

11. two thumbs up
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 15, 2011, 08:43:01 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on June 15, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
7. o.k. it was a beautiful love story
A twist to the Romeo and Juliet theme, due to forced separation due to the Laws of the Church and not that of the family.
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on June 15, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
8. i did not like the end
Heroes don't like to die in bed, and he did get to see her one last time!
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on June 15, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
9. Warrior what were you doing serving the enemy( i saw you)
????
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on June 15, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
10. all in all it was a good movie but i'm the type who wants a happy ending it was romantic that he died in her arms but it was sad. 
refer to item number 8
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on June 15, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
11. two thumbs up
because that's all you have, I will add mine to yours as well, for a total of four thumbs up!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 15, 2011, 09:00:17 AM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on June 15, 2011, 08:43:01 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on June 15, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
7. o.k. it was a beautiful love story
9. Warrior what were you doing serving the enemy( i saw you)
????

i saw you sitting on the horse beside Saladin before they set fire to the camp
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 15, 2011, 09:04:32 AM
Better get them "peepers" checked!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 16, 2011, 05:21:11 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

16 June

1147 - Bad weather forced the ships to stop on the Portuguese coast, at the northern city of Porto, during the operation that would become the Siege of Lisbon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Lisbon
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 17, 2011, 05:21:57 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

17 June

1462 – Vlad III "the Impaler" attempts to assassinate Mehmed II (The Night Attack) forcing him to retreat from Wallachia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_the_Impaler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_Attack

1239 – Birth of King Edward I of England (Edward Longshanks) (d. 1307)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 17, 2011, 01:26:36 PM
hmmm warrior what did you do with the rest of your brothers?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on June 17, 2011, 02:29:49 PM
Lady C,
A few of us are still around. Just can't spend much time on the forums due to work and home time constraints. :(
Still take a few minutes most days to view what the venerable Brother Warrior posts on Crusading history. After all....he is our hero!!;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 17, 2011, 04:11:19 PM
i was making yall were still around it seems to have gotten very quiet around here lately
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 17, 2011, 04:22:49 PM
Quote from: Hospitaller on June 17, 2011, 02:29:49 PM
Lady C,
A few of us are still around. Just can't spend much time on the forums due to work and home time constraints. :(
Still take a few minutes most days to view what the venerable Brother Warrior posts on Crusading history. After all....he is our hero!!;)

Non nobis domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.

(http://i51.tinypic.com/2vv17c1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 18, 2011, 07:53:48 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

18 June

1291 – Death of King Alfonso III of Aragon (b. 1265) (Also the same year Christians lost their last footing in the Holy Land at the fall of Acre)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_III_of_Aragon
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 19, 2011, 08:17:10 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

19 June

1269 – King Louis IX of France orders all Jews found in public without an identifying yellow badge to be fined ten livres of silver. (A quick way to make up lost expenses from Crusading?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_IX_of_France
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 20, 2011, 05:21:30 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

20 June

1192-  Saladin's scouts reported that a large contingent of crusaders had moved off from Beit Nuba (The limit of King Richard's advance to Jerusalem roughly 12 miles from the Holy City). This raised Saladin's suspicions. He was at that very moment awaiting a massive supply caravan from Egypt.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Richard_I_(DNB00)

1212-  Crusaders left Toledo bound for Malagon and Calatrava during the Reconquista.

http://www.military-history.us/2011/01/the-spanish-reconquista-the-battle-of-las-navas-de-tolosa/
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 20, 2011, 10:18:54 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/ththicon_peepsofa.gif)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 20, 2011, 11:41:34 AM
why is sir william marcus hiding behind the couch
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 20, 2011, 11:55:34 AM
It's a position of advantage. He's overwatching the area, as we've placed a Persian rug in the center and patiently await someone to come and reclaim it.............. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 20, 2011, 02:33:31 PM
do the persians know you stole their rug?

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 21, 2011, 05:14:18 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

21 June

1190 Survivors of the German crusade reach Antioch after the army fell apart upon Frederick Barbarossa's death. These Germans would soon form the foundation of the Teutonic Order in response to the treatment by the French and English crusaders. It would also spawn another lesser known Crusade seven years later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I_Barbarossa#Third_Crusade_and_death
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade_of_1197
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 21, 2011, 05:15:55 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on June 20, 2011, 02:33:31 PM
do the persians know you stole their rug?

Through a fair trade agreement it was purchased, but "left/placed" as a forgotten valuble item......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 21, 2011, 11:28:17 AM
william may want to get comfortable they may be a while in coming for that rug
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2011, 05:17:33 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

22 June

1212- Muslims under Caliph Muhammad Al-Nasir started out from Seville and marched north to meet the Crusader army departing Caltrava during the Reconquista.

http://www.military-history.us/2011/01/the-spanish-reconquista-the-battle-of-las-navas-de-tolosa/
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2011, 07:53:46 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on June 21, 2011, 11:28:17 AM
william may want to get comfortable they may be a while in coming for that rug

(http://i52.tinypic.com/300bsxk.jpg)

They came for the rug.........
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on June 22, 2011, 09:03:37 AM
<notices rug still in place and wonders at the fantastic job done to clean up the Persin guts left behind>
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2011, 09:22:51 AM
The answer: Biblical amounts of Scotch Guard.  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 22, 2011, 09:26:12 AM
and a shop vac
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 22, 2011, 10:04:28 AM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/29f8688.jpg)

Remember "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" and every Warrior Monk seeks that. ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 23, 2011, 05:20:37 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

23 June

1306- Hospitallers begin invasion of Rhodes (A year before the Templars are rounded up in France and charged with heresy). It would take them two years to complete this operation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Hospitaller#Knights_of_Cyprus_and_Rhodes
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 24, 2011, 05:20:26 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

24 June

1148 The Council of Acre met at Palmarea, near Acre, a major city of the crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem (as can be seen from the posts in the Finding of a Crusader City thread).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Acre
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 24, 2011, 10:23:44 AM
(http://i55.tinypic.com/10nxm6w.jpg)

With the rediscovery of the Crusader city of Acre beneath the current sprawl, it's interesting to note some of the key events that took place during the fall of the city in 1291.

The Teutonic Grand Master Burchard von Schwanden suddenly resigns and names Konrad von Feuchtwangen as his successor, who suddenly left Acre for Europe. Burchard von Schwanden goes back to his home in Switzerland and finally joins the Order of the Hospitallers. Feuchtwangen moves the Order's headquarters to Venice.

The Hospitaller Grand Master John de Villiers particpated in the fighting but managed to make it to Cyprus where he wrote about the seige on his sick bed. The Hospitallers lost Brother Matthew de Clermont within the confines of the city, who had served as the Marshal for their Order.

The Templar Grand Master, William of Beaujeu , during the siege, dropped his sword and walked away from the walls. His knights remonstrated. Beaujeu replied: "Je ne m'enfuis pas; je suis mort. Voici le coup." ("I'm not running away; I am dead. Here is the blow.") He raised his arm to show the mortal wound he had received. The fallen Master was replaced by Thibaud Gaudin. In 1291, he had ridden at the side of Guillaume de Beaujeu to defend the town of Acre, besieged by the formidable army of Mamluk Sultan Al-Ashraf Khalil. On 18 May, upon the death of Guillaume de Beaujeu, Gaudin remained in the city of Acre. The remaining knights of the order, men, women and children found shelter in the Temple, the great fort of the Templars. Pierre de Sevry, Marshal of the Order, Thibaud Gaudin, treasurer of the order, and their knights were the last to defend Acre. After trying to break in for a whole week without success, Al-Ashraf Khalil offered the marshal of the order to embark for Cyprus with all their possessions. Pierre de Sevry agreed. An Emir and 100 mameluks were permitted to enter the fort, but they began to molest some women and boys. Furious at this act, the knights slaughtered the mameluks and barricaded themselves again.

In the morning, Peter de Severy went to the Sultan to settle a new negotiation but he was arrested with his followers and they were executed in retaliation for the Sultan's men who were massacred earlier by the Templars inside the fortress. When the besieged Templars in the fortress saw what happened to Peter de Severy, they continued the fight. On May 28, after a wide breach was made under the fortress, the Sultan sent about 200 men to take it. The Frankish fortress collapsed killing nearly everyone inside. All the Templars were killed, and about half of the Sultan's men were killed.

In October 1291, a general chapter of the order met in Cyprus. This meeting confirmed the election of Thibaud Gaudin as Grand Master and named new dignitaries in the important positions within the hierarchy of the order. On that occasion, Jacques de Molay was named Marshal, to succeed Pierre de Sevry, who died at Acre. Thibaud Gaudin tried to reorganize all the Templars after the devastation of the recent battles. Moreover, it was necessary for him to defend the Kingdom of Armenia from the encircled Turkish Seldjoukides and the island of Cyprus, occupied by a multitude of refugees.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 25, 2011, 06:40:32 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

25 June

1218 – Death of Simon de Montfort, 5th Earl of Leicester, French crusader (b. 1160)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_de_Montfort,_5th_Earl_of_Leicester
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 26, 2011, 07:44:53 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

26 June

1097- Crusaders leave Nicaea in two contingents: Bohemond, Tancred, Robert of Flanders, and Taticius in the vanguard, and Godfrey, Baldwin of Boulogne, Stephen, and Hugh of Vermandois in the rear. Their spirits were high, and Stephen wrote to his wife Adela that they expected to be in Jerusalem in five weeks; they would not reach Jerusalem until two years after leaving Nicaea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Nicaea

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 27, 2011, 05:21:45 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

27 June

1119 Crusader and Saracen forces make contact in what would be known as the Battle of the Field of Blood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ager_Sanguinis
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 28, 2011, 05:18:19 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

28 June

1098 – Fighters of the First Crusade defeat Kerbogha of Mosul.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerbogha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosul

1389 – The Ottomans defeat the Serbian army in the bloody Battle of Kosovo, opening the way for the Ottoman conquest of Southeastern Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 29, 2011, 05:23:49 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

29 June

1149 – Raymond of Poitiers is defeated and killed at the Battle of Inab by Nur ad-Din Zangi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_of_Poitiers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Inab
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nur_ad-Din_Zangi

1097- First Crusaders learnt that the Turks were planning an ambush near Dorylaeum (Bohemund noticed his army being shadowed by Turkish scouts). (this event will take place over the next three days)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dorylaeum_(1097)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 30, 2011, 08:56:23 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:
30 June

1270- King Louis IX of France (Saint Louis) leads the Eighth Crusade (his second Crusade) as an attack against Tunisia, but dies en route and is reluctantly replaced by his brother Charles of Anjou, King of Sicily. His son, Philip III of France is crowned.

http://www.st-louis.org/louis.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_of_Anjou#Eighth_Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_III_of_France
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 01, 2011, 05:24:06 AM
This date in Medieval Crusading History:

1 July

1097- The Battle of Dorylaeum took place during the First Crusade, between the crusaders and the
Seljuk Turks, near Dorylaeum in Anatolia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dorylaeum_(1097)

2011- The Warrior Monk finishes his postings of This date in Medieval Crusading History. For those that are interested in other dates, they may be found throughout the Following Orders thread.

http://www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/index.php?topic=72.0

I'm thinking now on covering special personalities of the Crusades (folks you never knew that went). Maybe.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 11, 2011, 05:22:45 AM
Calling out to see how many Brothers and Sisters we have that still follow this thread....... ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 11, 2011, 01:54:30 PM
I'm still here
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 11, 2011, 02:20:35 PM
 ;D  That's One.....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 12, 2011, 02:25:41 PM
and apparently the only one
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on July 13, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
Count me in!   I can't always read up daily, but I catch up when I can.    You have groupies!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 13, 2011, 11:57:03 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on July 11, 2011, 01:54:30 PM
I'm still here .........and apparently the only one.

Quote from: amy on July 13, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
Count me in!   I can't always read up daily, but I catch up when I can.    You have groupies!


*kicks dirt...weaves back and forth..........blushing.........* ;D


I must say that my Brethren must be out escorting pilgrim caravans from the coast....I am sure they'll be here after vespers...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichael on July 13, 2011, 11:58:04 AM
Greetings Brother,

Sir Michael and my daughter Princess Emma still follow this board. I was going to wish you all a greetings from the Great Lakes Medieval Faire. I went to opening weekend last weekend. The faire was good, but they have a lost a few vendors from years past. The playtrons are still strong but the faire will remain dry this year as it was last year. It is BYOB . It's still a great faire.

Sir Michael of Mentor
Knight Commander
Equistrian Order of the Holy Sepectur

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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 13, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
Welcome back Brother. All the best to you and your Princess.  :)
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Post by: Hospitaller on July 14, 2011, 01:51:39 PM
Vacation!!!! Ya' know, sometimes you just have to get away..... ;)

Always check in on this thread when I can.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on July 15, 2011, 08:50:18 PM
Hey, welcome back.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 18, 2011, 12:10:36 PM
An interesting side note to main line Crusades history, was a group known as the Tafurs. These pilgrims are alleged to have eaten their fallen foes during the first Crusade. Whether the claims are true or not, remain a debated issue amongst prominent historians.

http://medievalcrusades.blogspot.com/2010/03/tafurs.html

http://www.crusades-encyclopedia.com/cannibalism.html

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on July 18, 2011, 02:52:53 PM
...And just WHAT, pray-tell, were you looking for to make such a find? :o ;)

Personally, I think they would find Saracen "meat" just a wee bit on the greasy side...but that's just me.... ::) :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 19, 2011, 08:00:04 AM
Quote from: Hospitaller on July 18, 2011, 02:52:53 PM
...And just WHAT, pray-tell, were you looking for to make such a find? :o ;)


Just following up on notes I take about obscure details on the Crusades...... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 19, 2011, 08:02:22 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen,
You know him as Edward "Longshanks", "Hammer of the Scots" thanks to Mel Gibson's BRAVEHEART, but did you know........

Edward took the crusader's cross in an elaborate ceremony on 24 June 1268, with his brother Edmund and cousin Henry of Almain. Among others who committed themselves to the Ninth Crusade were Edward's former adversaries—like the earl of Gloucester, though the earl did not ultimately participate. With the country pacified, the greatest impediment to the project was providing sufficient finances. King Louis IX of France, who was the leader of the crusade, provided a loan of about £17,500. This, however, was not enough; the rest had to be raised through a tax on the laity, which had not been levied since 1237. In May 1270, Parliament granted a tax of a twentieth, in exchange for which the king agreed to reconfirm Magna Carta (Made famous now with movies like Russell Crowe's Robin Hood, and the new release: Ironclad), and to impose restrictions on Jewish money lending. On 20 August Edward sailed from Dover for France. Historians have not determined the size of the force with any certainty, but Edward probably brought with him around 225 knights and all together less than 1000 men.

Originally, the Crusaders intended to relieve the beleaguered Christian stronghold of Acre (which would fall to the enemy in 1291), but Louis had been diverted to Tunis. The French king and his brother Charles of Anjou, who had made himself king of Sicily, decided to attack the emirate to establish a stronghold in North Africa. The plans failed when the French forces were struck by an epidemic which, on 25 August, took the life of King Louis himself. By the time Edward arrived at Tunis, Charles had already signed a treaty with the emir, and there was little else to do but return to Sicily. The crusade was postponed until next spring, but a devastating storm off the coast of Sicily dissuaded Charles of Anjou and Louis's successor Philip III from any further campaigning. Edward decided to continue alone, and on 9 May 1271 he finally landed at Acre.

By then, the situation in the Holy Land was a precarious one. Jerusalem had fallen in 1244, and Acre was now the centre of the Christian state. The Muslim states were on the offensive under the Mamluk leadership of Baibars, and were now threatening Acre itself. Though Edward's men were an important addition to the garrison, they stood little chance against Baibars' superior forces, and an initial raid at nearby St Georges-de-Lebeyne in June was largely futile. An embassy (launched with the support of Prince Edward) to the Mongols helped bring about an attack on Aleppo in the north, which helped to distract Baibar's forces. In November, Edward led a raid on Qaqun, which could have served as a bridgehead to Jerusalem, but both the Mongol invasion and the attack on Qaqun failed. Things now seemed increasingly desperate, and in May 1272 Hugh III of Cyprus, who was the nominal King of Jerusalem, signed a ten–year truce with Baibars. Edward was initially defiant, but an attack by a Muslim assassin in June forced him to abandon any further campaigning. What is clear is that one evening a Moslem came to see the Prince, when he was alone in his chamber, and attacked him with a poisoned dagger. Edward, a man of swift reflexes, kicked out at the attacker, and in short order killed his would be murderer. Some believe that the Old Man of the Mountains (Spiritual leader of the Assassin sect) sent the attacker. Far more probable is that the Emir of Ramlah, perhaps at the urging of Baibars, sent the assailant as a result of Edward's opposition to Hugh III's truce. Although he managed to kill the assassin, he was struck in the arm by a dagger feared to be poisoned, and became severely weakened over the following months. The anecdote of Queen Eleanor saving Edward's life by sucking the poison out of his wound is almost certainly a later fabrication. Other accounts of the scene have Eleanor being led away weeping by John de Vescy, and suggest that it was another of Edward's close friends, Otto de Grandson, who attempted to sucking the poison from the wound.

It was not until 24 September that Edward left Acre.
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Post by: Brother J. Heaton on July 21, 2011, 12:43:05 PM
When my martial,medical and monastic duties allow I still enjoy your Crusading days in History updates. I believe we all have become much wiser thanks to you Fra' Cliff.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 26, 2011, 06:15:21 PM
Quote from: Brother J. Heaton on July 21, 2011, 12:43:05 PM
When my martial,medical and monastic duties allow I still enjoy your Crusading days in History updates. I believe we all have become much wiser thanks to you Fra' Cliff.

Thanks. Currently on the road.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 01, 2011, 10:10:34 AM
Well, I'm back now. I know I was thinking about posting interesting figures that particpated in the Crusades/Reconquista, but I think first I will go through key battles of both theaters to shed light on what they went through. So for the next couple of days, I will post a link that covers the highlights of the epic struggles. They won't be in any specific order like time or place, but just brought forward depending on what I thought interesting at the time.

Today, we'll begin with the Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa in July of 1212. (Take note of how many Military Orders were present!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Las_Navas_de_Tolosa
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 02, 2011, 06:42:24 AM
Crusaders and Pirates......oh my!

The Mahdian Crusade:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdian_Crusade
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 03, 2011, 06:37:13 AM
Divine Intervention?

Battle of Ourique

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ourique
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 04, 2011, 06:47:18 AM
Talk about your connections....

The Siege of Santarém in 1184.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Santar%C3%A9m_(1184)

Thus, Afonso continued to distinguish himself by his exploits against the Moors.

In Portugal he built several monasteries and convents and bestowed important privileges to religious orders. He is notably the builder of Alcobaça Monastery, to which he called the Cistercian Order of his uncle Bernard of Clairvaux   (Co Founder of the Knights Templar!) of Burgundy. In 1143, he wrote to Pope Innocent II to declare himself and the kingdom servants of the Church, swearing to pursue driving the Moors out of the Iberian Peninsula. Bypassing any king of León, Afonso declared himself the direct liegeman of the Papacy.

Afono's offspring would be persons of note as well:

Pedro Afonso c 1130 1169 A.k.a. Pedro Henriques. 1st Grand-Master of the Order of Aviz.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Aviz

Afonso c. 1135 1207 12th Grand Master of the Order of Saint John of Rhodes (also known as the Knights Hospitaller).
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 05, 2011, 07:38:22 AM
Losing their heads.....

The Battle of Montie in 1143.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Montiel_(1143)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on August 05, 2011, 03:12:33 PM
The "Head on a pole" posturing seems to be a continuing theme from the beginning of history, up until fairly recently (150 years ago maybe?). I'm wondering if maybe we shouldn't go back to that as a deterrant and a show of power?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 08, 2011, 12:02:51 PM
Braveheart fans might be interested:

The Battle of Teba:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Teba
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 08, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
Quote from: Hospitaller on August 05, 2011, 03:12:33 PM
The "Head on a pole" posturing seems to be a continuing theme from the beginning of history, up until fairly recently (150 years ago maybe?). I'm wondering if maybe we shouldn't go back to that as a deterrant and a show of power?

It wasn't heads on poles, but we can see the display of grizzly trophies by our opponents in Somalia in 93, and the Blackwater Contractors hung from the bridge in Iraq in the early part of the current struggle. The insurgents still behead some captives.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 09, 2011, 02:09:25 PM
Warrior Monks from other Orders in action:


The Battle of Salado


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_R%C3%ADo_Salado
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 31, 2011, 01:21:00 PM
If you've not read it, I recommend Joseph F. Callaghan's book titled: "Reconquest and Crusade in Medieval Spain".

This was pretty interesting, especially about Crusading indulgences being issued prior to the launch of the First Crusade. It should also be noted that the author has actually broken the whole of the Reconquista down into identifiable Crusades on the Iberian Peninsula with dates of duration.

There's also a good section on Warfare & Equipment of the Crusading Era.

Truly fascinating is the account of Warrior Bishops and how many knights they brought to the fight with them!

I have posted some photos of some of the Orders mentioned within the book, although one (Knights of the Order of Santa Maria de la Merced) was given equal footing of a Military Order, its sole purpose was recovery of Christian Prisoners from the Muslims through diplomacy(like that would work... :P).

A few of these Orders were still in existence in 1492.

#1: (http://i52.tinypic.com/1zdlquc.jpg)
Knight of the Order of Santiago- XVI century
Order of Calatrava -XVI century                 
Knight Templar- XIII century


#2: (http://i55.tinypic.com/k4f0hk.jpg)
Knight of the Order of the Band- Kingdom of Castile- XIV century


#3: (http://i53.tinypic.com/1117a5e.jpg)
Order of Calatrava- XIV century
ORDER OF SANTIAGO- XI  century                         
GRAND MASTER OF THE ORDER OF SAN JUAN HOSPITAL


#4[b/]: (http://i54.tinypic.com/vmrx42.jpg)
Knight of the Order of Santa Maria de la Merced and the redemption of captives- Kingdom of Aragon- XIII century
Caballero Alcantara of the Order -the Kingdom of Castile- XIV century
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 07, 2011, 12:17:54 PM
Tidbits you find here and there......

During the years of Saracen expansion and the threat of pirates, there came a Pope of extraordinary purpose........

Pope Leo IV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_IV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ostia

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 20, 2011, 08:48:49 AM
REN-DEUS-VULT 2011 at Fishers Faire in Indiana.

(http://i53.tinypic.com/11ghbiu.jpg)
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Post by: Hospitaller on October 20, 2011, 04:03:03 PM
Nearly enough Brothers in tha gathering to start a new Holy War!!!! :o :D

Congrats on such a great gathering of Warrior Monks!
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Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 20, 2011, 07:17:17 PM
It was really a great time with everyone for sure. Next year we make it even bigger.

Lord Clisto
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Post by: Brother J. Heaton on October 21, 2011, 10:41:35 AM
 I see the Temple was out in force ! ! ! !
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 21, 2011, 12:47:14 PM
The Order of the Temple was by far the largest force, but we had Hospitallers and Teutonic Knights. Can't forget to mention some secular representation in the way of a King and Scottish knight.

I'm looking for the large group shot.
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Post by: Lord Clisto of York on October 21, 2011, 07:40:41 PM
We can't forget the Turcopole presence as well. Yes, we were out in force to maintain protection for the village as well as plan our next crusade because "Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub" lurks just around the corner.



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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on October 23, 2011, 09:31:40 AM
Templars, Teutonics, and Hospitallers oh my! (Plus secular Royaltyand Knights)

(http://i52.tinypic.com/2exygww.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother J. Heaton on November 02, 2011, 01:11:39 PM
 Bought "Ironclad" Sunday and watched it. I had no idea it was based on a truth ??? My medieval English knowledge is obviously lacking.  Good flick though.  One question, different subject: how many "warrior monks" of the forum live in the south east?? How many could make it to the Georgia fest next year or the Royal fest in Charlotte this year or next year ? ? ? Just curious ??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 02, 2011, 02:30:53 PM
i unfortunetly will not make it to Garf next year I'll be on my own mission
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Post by: Sir William Marcus on November 04, 2011, 03:33:03 AM
Um...he clearly stated "Warrior Monks" ASHley (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/LittleCasino/Smileys/waiting.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 04, 2011, 01:05:51 PM
tosses warrior monk's helmet at Sir william marcus
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Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 04, 2011, 08:49:07 PM
Now now... we will have none of that. These men don't need to be wounded outside of battle. I need all the men Englands money can buy.
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Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 08, 2011, 09:31:03 AM
 :P If i didn't stop in to harass them they would not know what to think
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Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 09, 2011, 02:12:04 AM
Believe me, they have many thoughts already going through their heads.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 09, 2011, 07:03:06 AM
Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on November 04, 2011, 01:05:51 PM
tosses warrior monk's helmet at Sir william marcus

I'm still trying to figure out how she got close enough to lay hands on my helmet???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on November 09, 2011, 08:39:19 AM
Well you know how women like to collect hats.. hats and shoes.... hats and shoes and men...  I guess that does it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 09, 2011, 08:42:28 AM
Quote from: amy on November 09, 2011, 08:39:19 AM
Well you know how women like to collect hats.. hats and shoes.... hats and shoes and men...  I guess that does it.

Uuuuhhhh.......I got nothing... :P
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Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 09, 2011, 11:35:59 PM
I have no answer for you either Warrior Monk. All I can think of is she had another wench with her strategically placed a distance from her and highly alluring and said "Warrior Monk, what's that over there?" Just as the voluptuous woman bends at the waist in your direction. Yeah, thats it...

Lord Clisto
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Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 10, 2011, 11:33:46 AM
thats it i had him distracted  ;)
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Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 16, 2011, 01:00:22 PM
hmmm must have scared everyone
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Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 16, 2011, 11:20:21 PM
See, I knew it..
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Post by: SirMichael on November 23, 2011, 10:05:49 AM
Brothers,

May you all have a great Thanksgiving from my household to yours!

Dues Lo Vult!


Sir Michael of Mentor
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 23, 2011, 12:19:56 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your Princess as well, and to all the thread readers!

BTW- Sir Michael, I saw on Medieval Mayhem where you talked with a Lucas de Beaumanoir of the GLMF, if by chance you have the opportunity, please send him my way on Facebook (Search: de Beaumanoir- you'll find me).

Pax vobiscum.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on November 23, 2011, 10:20:25 PM
Yes, a Grand Thanksgiving Holiday to you all Brothers...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 18, 2011, 08:03:35 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/xdebm8.jpg)
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Post by: Brother J. Heaton on December 22, 2011, 10:08:08 AM
May all the Brothers and others have a Merry Christmas and Happy Nude Year. ;D
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Post by: Lord Clisto of York on December 23, 2011, 08:47:50 PM
Nude Year??? Well then, where is castle Anthrax by the way?
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Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on December 29, 2011, 07:56:45 AM
Nude what? i didn't think monks went around nude even if they were warrior Monk :o
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Post by: Lord Clisto of York on December 29, 2011, 09:17:07 PM
Well then... there still is a lot to learn grasshopper.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on December 30, 2011, 01:35:08 PM
Ok..    With that said this lurker is back on the Monk Train.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on December 31, 2011, 12:44:53 AM
Hey, No liftin the sircoats....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on December 31, 2011, 11:19:17 AM
 ::)   Who me?   Never...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 31, 2011, 01:32:20 PM
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii245/Warrior_Monk/popeb.jpg)

;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 03, 2012, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: amy on December 30, 2011, 01:35:08 PM
Ok..    With that said this lurker is back on the Monk Train.

M'Lady, is there anything you would like to see discussed in this thread? I've done a complete crusading history of the day for one year, covered the various major and some minor Military Orders. Discussed the various Crusades and thier locations.

I'm now brain cramping for ideas.... ???

I guess I could try doing book reviews, that would give me nearly 100 new posts, and possibly some movie reviews, but then again we've done a few of each of these as well..............

Help please.....as a dedicated and interested "thread lurker"....your input is important to us!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on January 03, 2012, 01:30:33 PM
How very kind to be considered in the subject for this thread.  You know I always enjoy your historical backgrounds and "on this day" subjects.  they always fascinate.   But I'll admit that I, for a lack of a better phrase,  get in touch with my guy side when I see the pictures.   I would love to see and hear more about the Crusading art that you post, as well as reviews of the day to day life of these noble warriors.   I find it fascinating the vast miles they traveled and were away from family for years.   If any of those ideas give you pause to post, then I would surely enjoy continuing to learn and read.  thank you again!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 03, 2012, 02:16:57 PM
Thank you Lady Amy!

Well this does open a door to a portion of Templar history that I feel hasn't been given enough attention. Regarding their secret "initiation" ceremony, it was mentioned that applicants were asked to deny Christ and/or spit on the Crucifix. Both charges amount to heresy in the eyes of the devout. The great news is since Dr. Barbra Frale's  (Vatican Historian) find in the Vatican archives of the misplaced minutes of the Templar trial, a new look can be provided into Christendom's premier Military Order.

First of all, any organization that holds secret induction ceremonies is a target for the questioning masses. It's too easy to label them with unproven charges. To prove the charges false would be to open the doors of the Organization's activities (The first double edged sword). Why would the Templars have to do things secretly? For several reasons: firstly it's a policy known as operational security. You don't want the Saracen or any other possible adversary/competitor (other Orders or Royal figures) to know what you're doing (tactical movements, financial aid/grant, income sources), going to do, or possible deficient statuses (troop dispositions, strengths, leadership weaknesses)- these can be exploited, both on the battlefield and in the business world.

Secondly, the Grand Master was given a great deal of slack with regards to governing his organization. The method of initiation would seem questionable to some of the devout Church figures who felt threatened by the growth and power of the Order. This all finally makes sense, when Dr Frale points out that there was a special entrance ritual, but it was used much in the same fashion as a "selection process" is used in certain military organizations. It helps to select the best fitting candidates for future assignments.

Here it was pointed out that applicants were asked to spit on the crucifix or deny Christ (events thoughts heretical by the main stream church). Those that did, although not denied entrance from the Order, were assigned/relegated to support and logistics roles at the Order's houses and holdings in Europe. They would spend their time in a more menial setting with the mandated prayer times throughout the day, serving the Order by farming, sewing, etc. An environment not too threatening to say the least. Remember not all applicants were warriors, so some may have been less "stalwart in faith". Being part of an Order would guarantee they were taken care of and provided for.

For those that refused to do either, well here are your rocks of Christendom. They are assigned to the remote posts in the Outremer. Here the Master has a set of faithful Warrior Monks that he doesn't have to worry over. They know their duty, and most have battlefield experience.

It was guys like these that gave their lives after the Battle of Hattin in July of 1187. Almost 300 Warrior Monks were given the option to convert to Islam or die by the sword. They chose the blade.

Confessions were extracted by torture in France. Once the pain stopped though, confessions were recanted. Something to think about. Countries who participated in the "Templar Roundup" but didn't use torture, received none of the confessions. In Germany, the Marshal of the Order strode into the cathedral where the trial was being held against the Order, and announced that he and his Brothers would meet any of their accusers in Trail by Combat. They were pronounced innocent.

It was little ceremonies like this that helped weed out those not up to the task from those destined to strike fear in the hearts of the infidel. You don't have to look too far........it's still happening today, behind closed doors. For those that have been in uniform, the simplest example is the "issuing" of blood wings to those who graduate from Airborne School.

Although frowned upon by the services as a whole, and labeled as "hazing", it's treated as a rite of passage for paratroopers. I have other events for those of us that were Infantry and the like, but see, most don't even know of them.

What people don't know, doesn't always hurt them, but allows them to sleep safer at night.

And for the Record: most of the charges that Philip IV used against the Templars, he'd used against the Jews a year prior. A rehearsal maybe?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother J. Heaton on January 05, 2012, 03:26:49 PM
Excellent ! !
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on January 07, 2012, 09:01:30 AM
Fascinating I say!   Who needs fiction when true lives of commitment and cause are truly this inspiring and interesting.  Thank you! 
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 09, 2012, 09:34:36 AM
Another example of the selection process in action would have been the final event surrounding Templar Brother Jakelin de Mailly.

The source for the story is the Itinerarium Peregrinorum or "Pilgrim's Journey" and The Knights Templar by C.G. Addison.

Jakelin de Mailly, Brother of the Temple, performed prodigies of valour. He was mounted on a white horse, and clothed in the white habit of his order, with the blood-red cross, the symbol of martyrdom, on his breast; he became, through his gallant bearing and demeanour, an object of admiration, even to the Moslems. Sources compare the fury and the anger of this warlike monk, as he looked around him upon his slaughtered brethren, to the wrath of the lioness who has lost her whelps; and his position and demeanour in the midst of the throng of infidels, he likens to that of the wild boar when surrounded by dogs whom he is tearing with his tusks, Every blow of this furious man, says the worthy abbot, " despatched an infidel to hell;" but with all his valour Jakelin de Mailly was slain.

The story goes that one Muslim cut Jakelin de Mailly's genitals and kept them safely, hoping that when he gets children, they would be as courageous as the Templar who died as a martyr.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/72g9xx.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on January 09, 2012, 12:52:08 PM
So is this the same person that I also know as Jaques DeMolay?  That picture is wonderful too!  When and by whom is that piece?   and I am glad you didn't go into any more detail about the dismemberment of his member!   :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 09, 2012, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: amy on January 09, 2012, 12:52:08 PM
So is this the same person that I also know as Jaques DeMolay?  That picture is wonderful too!  When and by whom is that piece?  

This is not the same individual as Jacques de Molay. Jakelin de Mailly died in battle prior to the Battle of Hattin in 1187, de Molay died at the stake in 1314. They are 100+ years apart actually.

The picture is by Gustave Dore. He has a whole set covering the Crusades.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 09, 2012, 01:30:37 PM
An interesting find regarding efforts to reign in Military Crusading Orders and place them under Royal authority. Readers will be reminded that France's Philip IV tried to do just this with the Templars. He failed. It should also be noted that Philip had actually tried to gain membership within the Order, but was denied prior to the entire round up and trials.

In Spain, there were many powerful Military Crusading Orders and Ferdinand the Catholic (10 March 1452 – 23 January 1516), or the King of the "Ferdinand and Isabel" combination (famous for supporting Columbus' ocean voyage in 1492, also the same year the Reconquista was completed on the Iberian peninsula) managed to pull this feat off without pissing off the church.

He managed to leverage his position as "Crusader in Chief" against the Moors and get the Order of Caltrava to agree not to elect a new Master and fall under his control. A few years later he managed to do the same with the Orders of Santiago and Alcantara.

Part of this success was due to Pope Alexander VI (the Borgia Pope) being in the powerseat and approving these changes to retain his home country's (Valencia) favor.

For those that can't wrap their arms around this concept, it's like Henry VIII taking half the wealth of the monasteries in his country, and retaining the title of Defender of the Faith!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on January 10, 2012, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on January 09, 2012, 01:30:37 PM

For those that can't wrap their arms around this concept, it's like Henry VIII taking half the wealth of the monasteries in his country, and retaining the title of Defender of the Faith!

And calling it the "REFORMATION".......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 12, 2012, 10:13:53 AM
sounds more like stealer of the faith and the money
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Post by: Lord Clisto of York on January 13, 2012, 01:56:57 AM
Where is Martin Luther anyway? LOL....
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Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 13, 2012, 10:43:23 AM
he's hiding
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Post by: SirMichaelofMentor on January 18, 2012, 01:18:22 PM
Greetings Brother,

I am happy to report that at the 12 night feast this past Sunday in Painesville, Ohio I took 2nd place in the costume contest. This is very close to the Great Lakes Medieval Faire which is my home faire. Dues Lo Vult.....

Sir Michael of Mentor
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: SirMichaelofMentor on January 18, 2012, 01:37:38 PM
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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 22, 2012, 09:11:18 AM
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Dates and Places used in the movie Season of the Witch during the Age of the Crusades period of the movie:

New Crusade to the East proclaimed (Pope Clement VI). The Ottoman Turks captured Nicaea and renamed it Iznik in 1331. The Crusade League (not mentioned in the movie) is formed in 1332-34. The major military Order participating in these events would have been the Knights of St John!

Location Star #1: Gulf of Edremit 1332- on the west coast of Turkey, not far from the Greek island Lesbos. Ships of the Crusader navy defeat Turkish pirates in Gulf of Adramyttion (Edremit) in 1334 not 32.

Location Star #2a & 2b: Siege of Tripoli 1334- Nothing (The dates would have been for Ottoman invasions- leading one to believe this would be Libya's city and not the one in Lebanon-although this one would have kept the "Crusades" in a geographically confined space for the sake of the movie)

Location Star #3: Battle of Imbros 1337- Nothing (The dates would have been for Ottoman invasions)

Location Star #4: Battle of Artah 1339-Nothing (actually fought in 1105 between Crusader forces and the Seljuk Turks)

Location Star #5: Battle of Smyrna 1344- Crusaders hold the port of Smyrna from 1334-1402. On October 28, 1334, the Crusader force occupies Smyrna. The main body being that of the Knights of St John.

They then depart and land on the "Coast of Styria" (Location Star #6) which just so happens to be a land locked body of water in Austria. Fitting in keeping with the story and focus of Teutonic Knights.....but how!!??
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on January 22, 2012, 09:51:43 AM
Season of the Witch is #2 in my Netflix queue right not.   Will be interesting to see how this story fits.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 22, 2012, 10:21:45 AM
Quote from: amy on January 22, 2012, 09:51:43 AM
Will be interesting to see how this story fits.

We await your review M'Lady...... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 25, 2012, 11:21:52 AM
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Many of us are aware of most Crusader battles and their participants, but many are probably unaware of actions by Reynald of Chatillon (made infamous by Brendon Gleason in KoH). Before Hattin in 1187, and besides his raids on local caravans near Kerak, he made a push into the Red Sea and very nearly assaulted two of the Holiest Cities of Islam. I have put together this simple visual aid based on Dr Mallet's work called "A Trip down the Red Sea with Reynald of Chatillon".

Just imagine had he captured one of these cities like the events that took place in Jerusalem!!!
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Post by: Hospitaller on January 26, 2012, 08:56:09 AM
If he was as bloodthirsty as reputed, it would have just been more massacres.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 26, 2012, 01:46:21 PM
He might have had a few issues......... :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raynald_of_Ch%C3%A2tillon
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 27, 2012, 07:36:57 AM
what issues might those have been warrior?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 27, 2012, 07:52:39 AM
An enterprising, opportunistic, ego maniac, who spent roughly seventeen years in a Muslim prison (wouldn't take much to get a hatred started that focused on both fellow Christians-who failed to ransom him during that time  :o, and his Muslim captors  >:(), could find any number of reasons to have some "personal baggage".

There is a growing line of thought that both himself and the Grand Master Gerard de Ridefort may be much more misrepresented than they deserve. It should be noted that the writers of the histories around the time of the 1170s to the 1190s were pretty much from the Ibelin and Raymond of Tiberius camps, and had every reason to attempt to paint their benefactors in a good light as opposed to those of the Guy camp.

It makes for brighter futures......if you know what I mean.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on January 27, 2012, 04:57:42 PM
yep major issues going on there
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Post by: amy on February 01, 2012, 11:45:23 AM
I so enjoyed watching our Lord Clisto of York yesterday afternoon on the History Channel as His Majesty King Richard.   I hope we all have seen that episode about the Koran and it's comparison to the Bible.   Really well done as are most all of that series.    Good Stuff.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 01, 2012, 12:02:03 PM
I think all of the Brethren of this thread have watched it. Lord Clisto does a smashing job of portraying King Richard. We just hope folks don't get confused over the fact that Richard and his opponent never actually met face to face.

Also currently working on a post about the comparisons of the three big religions and their militant outputs and its continuation and relevancy to today.........more to follow.......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on February 01, 2012, 01:40:07 PM
I will particularly enjoy that one.  My Dad (years ago) taught a class on comparing the Bible and historical relevancy to todays application and today's society.  Loved it. (My dad the Marine D.I...)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 01, 2012, 02:00:33 PM
Then I hope my submission meets up to his standards.


Quote from: amy on February 01, 2012, 01:40:07 PM
(My dad the Marine D.I...)

Thank you for his service and your family's sacrifices.  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on February 01, 2012, 07:27:27 PM
I thought I should clue you all in on one reason I find this all so interesting.   Got to love our men in uniform.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lord Clisto of York on February 01, 2012, 08:17:10 PM
Quote from: Warrior Monk on February 01, 2012, 12:02:03 PM
I think all of the Brethren of this thread have watched it. Lord Clisto does a smashing job of portraying King Richard. We just hope folks don't get confused over the fact that Richard and his opponent never actually met face to face.

Also currently working on a post about the comparisons of the three big religions and their militant outputs and its continuation and relevancy to today.........more to follow.......

I thank you Warrior Monk. Yes, Richard and Saladin never met face to face as in the History Channel documentary. That was for dramatic effect, but it was explained. The battle left Richards forces about 15 miles from the holy place to where he could actually see it. Thus his terms were to leave Saladin have it under the agreement  he would allow all people to come and go without issue and Richard would keep control of the sea port cities. That's pretty much in in a nutshell.

Glad you liked it Amy. It is very informative about the real understanding of the Muslim Holy Book and not what it was corrupted to be later.

Lord Clisto   
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 06, 2012, 01:17:44 PM
I'm going to live near the beach anyone want to go?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 12, 2012, 12:35:03 PM
Can't remember if we've discussed this here before, but I helped with this topic on another site. Just to show some connections to past religious teachings and the area that Western Christians dealt with during the Crusades...

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Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on February 20, 2012, 10:01:06 AM
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With everyone watching the news....I hope.......it's a question that has come to my mind of how many actually know about the historical significance of the location of Homs, Syria, where all the unrest is taking place currently.

The First Battle of Homs was fought there between the Mongols and the Mamluks (resulting victors) in in 1260, a mere 31 years before the Christian Crusaders were pushed out of the Holy Land at Acre in 1291.

A second return engagement was fought between the same opponents (Mamluks victors again)  there in 1281, now only ten years prior to the expulsion of Christian Crusaders.

Eight years after the Christian Crusaders were expelled, the Mongols returned and fought Battle of Wadi al-Khazandar (by nearby Homs) and this time were left with control of the battlefield, even if the price had been somewhat costly for them.

Geographically, the legendary Hospitaller stronghold of Krak des Chevaliers is located approximately 40 kilometres (25 mi) East of the city of Homs.

So there you have it, today's installment of useless Crusader trivia as it pertains to current events!

I know the Black Friars on this thread will enjoy this...
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on February 20, 2012, 10:14:47 AM
Quite so, my friend!!

Absolutley none of this trivia considered useless... ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 01, 2012, 03:27:01 PM
I've seen it on other threads, and thought it might be interesting to try here. Would the thread family like to post their Crusader persona biographies here?

Would be neat to see what we've developed in our heads as to what we show at faire......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on March 02, 2012, 07:32:54 AM
Oh yes yes yes...   I am most interested in what made the individual into the character we read about and what drew them to the choices they made.    Interesting to know who is patterning after a true life and what research you chose.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on March 03, 2012, 07:49:58 AM
I totally get it.   It wrapped me up in the first two sentences.  I realized that here I sat on a Saturday morning at 7:45 am with a cup of coffee, riveted to the screen and reading OUT LOUD to myself, the story of Frater de Beaumanoir.   I get it.   I see why these individuals are so compelling.     I had a pastor in my youth who drilled into my head about "being a person of worth".  These men both then and their counterparts now are truly persons of worth.    Only makes you wish that you could read his journal.  What must go through a mans head as he makes those decisions and is faced with being sent to take on these tasks.   How their faith and fortitude was tested and what was the catalyst that pushes them forward.      Thanks for sharing...      (to quote pop culture which for once actually applies....  thankyoumoreplease)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 04, 2012, 05:45:38 PM
M'Lady,

You may have a slight advantage over most of our passing readers, what with your ability to compare FB info versus this biography. ;)

I hope that other who regularly participate here will also contribute the "history" of their persona, especially my Hospitaller Brethren!  ;D
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 05, 2012, 09:04:53 AM
Brothers Gregory, and Heaton would pull off some great Hospitaller oriented histories I believe, and Brothers Champion and Marcus would serve to provide additional Templars. (Although Brother Marcus could give us a story in black as well..)

Perhaps some of the Sisters of the Hatchet could provide their histories leading up to and after the siege of Tortosa during the Reconquista?  ???

I dare say the writing gauntlet challenge has been cast..........  ;) ;D
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 07, 2012, 03:03:37 PM
Surely the Brethren are out and about along the routes taken by pilgrims, in as much doing their duty, so as to have excuse as to why they've not accepted the "challenge"........... ;)

Perhaps we might hear the developing story of Uta?    ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on March 08, 2012, 07:08:57 AM
Uta has just returned from a 2 day training mission for the "keeping of her keep"... I will do my best to start fleshing out her story.    A very challenging part of any recreaction.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Hospitaller on March 09, 2012, 08:28:48 AM
Hail Brothers and Ladies all,

Fra Cliff, twas a wondrous read of your life's story. Thank you for the sharing!
I must appologize for my laxity of late, but work has had too much of my time to allow for the pleasure of viewing these boards. I shall endeavor to pen my simple history as time permits.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 09, 2012, 09:18:41 AM
Welcome back Brother! I look forward to learning the your history, as I'm sure fellow thread followers will as well.

Pax vobiscum!
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Post by: amy on March 10, 2012, 07:29:10 AM
Just a quick note as I continue to read about Uta and the state of things during 1020-1050 in that Germanic area.    I think what I am finding that must have completely dictated her life, was her husbands commitment to Conrad II and Henry III as he contributed to their campaigns. She would either have been left home alone for what could be years or had to travel with him.   This was simple to start finding with a quick glance at the Wiki.....but then match up the Popes during those years and the Bishops with whom athey communicated and there is lots more to like.... or in most cases to dislike!   What if she had gone to Rome for the coronations?  What if she was able to travel and see those courts?  Would she have chosen to participate in any of the intrigues of those political systems.  Being childless (and for what reason?) how did that affect her position in the social standings.     Lots to read about and so much that can be made up to fill in the blanks.     
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 02, 2012, 05:31:31 PM
Most of the Brethren here have migrated to a more "International" community on FACEBOOK. Come share in our exchanges in the Group: Beausant Brotherhood

We look forward to seeing you there.  ;D

Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 03, 2012, 10:32:58 AM
Great news for the fans of this movie, and were only able to watch the original USA release!! ;D

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Arn-The-Complete-Series/16885


Now a lot of missing info will be available!!


Deus vult!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 01, 2012, 08:31:13 AM
For those that are keeping up with the World events. This post is to shed some light on the historical significance of Syria during the Crusades. I believe I already posted about the tragedy that befell the majestic Hospitaller castle Krak de Chevaliers outside of Homs. It was recently sacked.....again.....I know right....by rebels in the current struggle against Syrian forces.

See: http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_05_02/73588875/

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On the left are Templar interests as they relate to the shaded area occupied by modern day Syria. On the right are the Crusader States as they relate to the shaded region of modern day Syria.


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A Crusades era castle catching the attention of Artillery rounds. I believe this one to be the one used by the Assassin sect.


Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masyaf_Castle
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on June 01, 2012, 12:13:15 PM
That is tragic.   
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 01, 2012, 12:40:06 PM
Yes.   :'(
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 01, 2012, 01:04:54 PM
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Here's a list of key Crusader era fortresses (Previous occupants) in Syria and their proximity to the current struggles going on in Homs.

1.   Chastel Blanc (Templar)
2.   Krak des Chevaliers (Hospitaller)- looted
3.   Margat, or Marqab (Hospitaller)
4.   Masyaf Castle (Ismailis and Hashshashins)- - shelled
5.   Saladdin Castle, or Saône ( Principality of Antioch and Mamluks)
6.   Tartous (Templar)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: William the Braveheart on June 11, 2012, 05:18:37 PM
Quote from: amy on March 02, 2012, 07:32:54 AM
Interesting to know who is patterning after a true life and what research you chose.
It's all past life soul and cellular memory. We ALL used to live in those time periods that we so love recreating at Faire. Why do you think we're so attracted to Renaissance Faires/Festivals?

Absolutely no doubt in MY mind that we actually existed in other physical vehicles (bodies) during the Dark Ages, Middle Ages, Medieval and Renaissance periods. We get finished with one shell (body) and after a brief rest period, we (Soul/Spirit) just trade it in for another and merrily (Or not so merrily) go about our Karmic business............     
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 14, 2012, 07:10:01 AM
I decided to take on a challenge of writing a viable history of Christopher Lee's character in the 1997 BBC series Ivanhoe. In it he plays the venerable Templar Grand Master Lucas de Beaumanoir.

Historically we know that at the time that Ivanhoe takes place, around 1194, there was already an established Grand Master, so why did Scott create another (ref: Chapter 35)?

Taking Christopher Lee's age at the time of the filming into consideration, he was over 70, I went back and developed a time line. With that established, I tried to adhere and give justification to most character assessments found posted on the story of Ivanhoe pertaining to Master Lucas de Beaumanoir.

Example:    
Lucas de Beaumanoir is the Grand Master of the Order of the Knights Templar. He is old, and was a formidable warrior in his youth.

So here you have it......
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 14, 2012, 07:10:31 AM
Lucas de Beaumanoir; The Early Years

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Lucas de Beaumanoir was a 3rd generation Norman/English personality. He endured the basic track to knighthood, and participated in several forays against pockets of Saxon, Angel, and Jute resistance to Norman presence in the far reaches of the Kingdom. With agricultural hardship setting in and his family and feudal lordship dying off due to disease, Lucas chose the path of the righteous. He knew of no other way to meet the needs of necessity like food, shelter, and camaraderie like that presented by a new phenomenon.

He applied and was accepted into the Order of the Temple in 1137. He was roughly 18-20 years old, and the Order was still enjoying the initial popularity inspired by its first Grand Master Hugues de Payens. Under the leadership of Master Robert de Craon, the Order found itself shipping as many able body and combat experienced Brethren to the Outremer. Brother Lucas was to have his first taste of combat against an unconventional opponent during an engagement with Zengi, the emir of Aleppo. Although initially successful, Master Robert's forces, of which Lucas was a part, were later surprised by a return force preventing what had been typically customary- the looting of enemy camps. This lesson would not be lost on the continuing refinement of the Order's Rule.

It was also at this time that the Order received the privilege to wear the red cross on their habits, thus providing that extra bit of "exclusionary" thinking Lucas would become prone to especially in what would become a military elite.

In 1140 Lucas now 21 years old,  he and a force of his Brethren resisted a numerically superior Turkish army at what was called the Battle of Tecua.

Local Frankish armies besieged a fortress of the plunderers located between mount Jil'ad and 'Ajlûn. During this long siege, the "Turks or Turkoman", seeing the kingdom of Jerusalem without protection moved against and raided and plundered the village of Tecua.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 14, 2012, 07:10:59 AM
The only military force defending Jerusalem was the small force of Templars led by Master Craon. They raised all the available armed people to confront the Turkomans. When the Frankish armies previous deployed against  Jil'ad and 'Ajlûn  approached, the plunderers fled into the plains of Ascalon and refused to fight.

The Franks construed this as a win and set about pursuing their enemy. This separated the French force from the Templars. Noticing this, the Turkomans regrouped and attacked the Franks and cut them to pieces.

Seeing this, Master Craon rallied the Knights Templar to head towards the front of the fight, in order to protect the flight of the Frankish knights.

A great many of the Frankish Knights and more than half of the Templars died. Lucas was now painfully aware that what worked in Europe would by no means ensure victory in this arid wasteland.

This little skirmish would in all reality be a 'dress rehearsal' for what Lucas de Beaumanoir and his Brethren would experience less than 50 years later at a place called Hattin.

Lucas de Beaumanoir went on for several years distinguishing himself in the sands of the Outremer, gradually increasing his position through his steadfast approach to the Order's mission. His reputation grew as well, but not with the splendor that comes with success and victory, for his was a story of unrelenting devotion, and for him "forgiveness" was an ideal best left to the Almighty, for failure of any type usually resulted in death there.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 14, 2012, 07:11:26 AM
During the years of the Second Crusade, Lucas had a chance to demonstrate his tactical knowledge and troop leading capabilities, when he was assigned a conroi of Frankish knights and assisted in protecting King Louis army during the disastrous episode. Lucas and his fellow Templars demonstrated fantastic discipline and inspired many who gazed upon their actions during various close encounters with a devilish enemy.

Under the direction Master Tremelay during the siege of Ascalon in 1153 , Lucas served as the security element outside the breach site, unknowingly sealing the fate of the valiant Brothers who moved inside to crush what was expected to be a disheartened mob of resistance, but tuned out to be a large force of Egyptians who destroyed the breach force along with the Master. It was here that Lucas started to see a change of heart regarding the Order and their efforts in the Holy Land. He was roughly 32 at the time.

Through daily personal interactions with the newly arrived Master Montbard, who was incidentally the uncle of St Bernard of Clairvuax, Lucas de Beaumanoir learned some of the idiosyncrasies of managing and Order. He was now roughly 35 years old and physically close to his peak of martial prowess.

After Master Montbard passed away in Jerusalem, Bertrand de Blanchefort took over as the senior Templar. His was a tenure of addressing deficiencies and perceived deficiencies within the Order to bring it back to its previous state of social and economic grace. Lucas was selected to be on the personal staff of the Master at this time, due to his extensive service in the Outremer. Many at this time made jokes (although not to de Beaumanoir's face, and most certainly whilst on patrol where some regulations were relaxed) that they would name a fortress after him, since he'd been there so long. It was this period in time that planted the seed of doubt as to the sinless nature of the Order's activities and its Brethren.

In 1171, Lucas is awarded the prestigious position Castle Lord to Chastel Blanc in 1170 in recognition of his remarkable duration of continued service (now aged 50) to the Order and its interests from Master Phillip de Milly.  He goes about this assignment with unwavering effort to rebuild and improve the fortification that once stood at this strategic spot.
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Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 14, 2012, 07:12:05 AM
In 1179 after improving his fortresses' physical status, he receives refugees from the disaster at Jacob's Ford. He also witnesses the turmoil caused by the loss of another Master of the Order. Existing leadership recognize that de Beaumanoir's age was becoming a factor in a young man's game of war in the Outremer, so he's assigned more administrative duties much like an inspector general of existing Templar holdings in the East.

Between 1181 and 1184, Lucas de Beaumanoir is sent back to Europe, by the directive of Master  Arnold of Torroja, to seek increased men and material for the Outremer due to age and battlefield injuries, travels by way of Mediterranean, landing in South Spain due to storms. Now ranked as Visitor in the Order, de Beaumanoir makes his way North through the Iberian Peninsula sharing tactics, techniques, and procedures with the various local heads of Templar holdings.

By 1185 he is in France. Lucas' daily functions revolve around visits with secular authorities and advancing the Order's cause. Many returned veterans in closed session chapters start to voice suggestions that Lucas with his reputation and experience should be considered as Master of the Order. Examples were given as to how Sparta was run by a two King system, and that the Order might benefit with a forward Master, and one in the West to leverage similar authority within the confines of Europe in an effort to further the cause in Palestine. It was at this time that Lucas de Beaumanoir's contact with senior leadership of the Order was cut, as much of the day to day activities of the Order were now being decided by one Templar without so much as the Rule's mandate for a gathering of a specified audience of learned Brethren. It's at this period in time that the Order experiences another loss of a Master, giving more credence to a "Two Master" system.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 14, 2012, 07:13:04 AM
Between 1191-93 Lucas de Beaumanoir has left Templar Headquarters in Paris and is making his way North to the coast of Northern France, spot checking the Order's commandaries for efficiency, practices and faith, begins to hear stories of misbehavior of senior Brethren amidst the Order as well as career advancement opportunities for himself through supporters.

The Order's Master, Robert de Sable is busy supporting King Richard's efforts in the Holy Land to liberate the Holy City.

In 1194 now in his 70s, Lucas de Beaumanoir assumes the title of Grand Master (some say much like an Anti-Pope struggle) while in the West, supported by a Chapter of senior Brethren without traditional Order approval.

Un beknownst to the European Brethren, a Master  Gilbert Horal had been selected as the Grand Master in 1193, but at the time he was in the Outremer,  where his policies of peace with the Saracen did not sit well with many of this fraternity.

*INSERT*: Story line from Ivanhoe

It wasn't until after the Lionheart's direct interaction with Lucas, the Order and local secular heads that Lucas returned to a less high profile position within the Order. It is believed that he went on to retire and pension inside one of the numerous houses dotting the English country side.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 17, 2012, 02:07:46 PM
tosses pillow at wm just checking in from my sand box
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on June 18, 2012, 03:59:29 PM
Hello Lady DePond!      And WM I am watching Ivanhoe tonight to make sure I have the straight... Thank you for this!  I love it!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 18, 2012, 08:56:25 PM
Post viewing feedback is encouraged!!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 18, 2012, 08:57:34 PM
Greetings Militissa in the Frati della Beata Gloriosa Vergine Mari, I hope this small missive finds you well and in good spirits as you go about doing Good work.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on June 19, 2012, 08:44:31 AM
Sadly Ivanhoe was not available on the instant as I had hoped so I have to wait for the DVD to arrive.   Short delay in fitting the pieces together.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 19, 2012, 05:26:03 PM
We are discussing the 1997 BBC series in a two DVD set yes? One can find it at Barnes and Noble or Best Buy for around 20.00 to save a movie collection from gaining the title of Heretical for its distinct absence....
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on June 28, 2012, 08:19:06 PM
doing great work as long as i eat street food i am well i eat fancy food i get sick last time spent all day in the bed. my little charges have been sick this week and some have been misbehaving. Tomorrow i am short on duties because of the holiday
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on June 29, 2012, 07:32:43 AM
Have them get well soon. Tell them were are watching them!  ;)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on July 03, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
1st disc of Ivanhoe is in the books and I LOVE IT!    Very well done and I am enamored at how many quality actors I recognize from other great films!  They all look so young and ruthless!  Good stuff!    Can't wait for disc 2 to arrive. 

Tomorrow we have elected to beat the heat and have a KoH 4th!   We are going to lay around in our silks and eat dates and watch the film again!    Then biff each other up side the head "so we don't forget it"!!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 03, 2012, 04:06:20 PM
Glad to hear you liked it! Now the good part is getting ready to start!

Enter: Lucas de Beaumanoir (DVD Disk #2), and PRAY!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on July 03, 2012, 08:33:09 PM
Whadaya mean???    That wasn't the good part?

And today has been a wonderful and relaxing day... started with ARN... then KoH... then The Last Centurion.    And still time to rewatch 1st half of Ivanhoe...     (plus sent message to nephew in middle east...    so proud)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 04, 2012, 09:26:36 PM
Sounds like a good day indeed!

Your nephew...what service, what career field?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on July 05, 2012, 10:43:45 AM
Army... 1st in our family in that branch.  Previously we were all Marines and Navy. And I am ashamed to say I am not sure what his job is this time.  Previously he was a tank driver and did mechanics, but this tour I'm not sure if that is the same.  He says he sits around bored alot... I am absurdly grateful for that!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 06, 2012, 06:40:51 AM
Quote from: amy on July 05, 2012, 10:43:45 AM
Army... 1st in our family in that branch. 

Aaaahhhh, someone who saw the "light".  :P

You must thank him on behalf of all of us here for his service, no matter how boring it might seem at times.  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Ironhead on July 06, 2012, 09:39:16 AM
Boring is good.  Means no one is shooting at you.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 06, 2012, 10:15:31 AM
Quote from: Sir Ironhead on July 06, 2012, 09:39:16 AM
Boring is good.  Means no one is shooting at you.

Welcome back to the thread Brother. I should make a joke here about a 19 series saying that, but 11,12, 13, 19......they're all gravel aggitators in the current fight!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on July 06, 2012, 12:44:13 PM
Agreed!  Bored is PERFECT!!    He has some computer access so we get to check in and commiserate with him.   Back to Germany next month I believe...  So far so good.     I will pass along your kind words.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 11, 2012, 06:48:27 AM
Disk II hasn't arrived yet? What powers of sorcery is this?  :o ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on July 11, 2012, 07:43:57 AM
Fret not...   Twas merely my negligence in getting disc 1 back in the box...   Disc 2 expected Thursday..  So this weekend will be the triumphant finale!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 17, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
 ???
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: amy on July 19, 2012, 04:47:34 PM
Yikes.     I haven't watched it all yet.. this is a LONG movie!   But I love it!

And I am so crushin on Brian.   ahhhhh
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 19, 2012, 06:56:39 PM
Aaahh one of our wayward Brothers...

(http://i46.tinypic.com/30kzghh.jpg)

Now pray.....

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2d84z1i.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Marcus on July 21, 2012, 11:45:09 AM
Greetings Brothers

It has been a long while since I've been here.  So long in fact, I could not recover my old account, and had to make a new one.  Forgive my absence, but I am returning the fold.  My pirating days are behind me, and I intend to focus on my Crusading.  I had to sell my KoH, Hospitaller and Templar kits a while back (a year or so)  :'( .  I did keep the KoH Jerusalem set, and have since acquired a new Templar.  It's not great, but it'll do until I either replace the KoH or make a new one.  
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 22, 2012, 02:42:39 PM
And we welcome you back!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Marcus on July 22, 2012, 08:54:15 PM
Thank you, Brother.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Anna Iram on July 22, 2012, 09:53:25 PM
Sir Marcus, it's nice to see you again.

Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Marcus on July 23, 2012, 08:37:44 AM
And you as well, M'Lady.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 24, 2012, 07:45:14 AM
Quote from: Sir Marcus on July 21, 2012, 11:45:09 AM
 My pirating days are behind me, and I intend to focus on my Crusading.  I had to sell my KoH, Hospitaller and Templar kits a while back (a year or so)  

What is one's penance for willfully selling his habit(s) and assuming the persona of a pirate?

Here's the Rule's coverage of deliberate mistreatment of a habit, which follows a similar path of some of the intent described above.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2jbs6pz.jpg)

But seeing as you've seen the error of your ways, and returned to the flock, we forgive your transgressions and welcome you home Brother.


(JK)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Marcus on July 24, 2012, 08:30:10 AM
AND, I've the "year and a day" part covered too.  It would have been a year at the beginning of this month!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 24, 2012, 08:35:04 AM
Funny thing...that timing!  ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 30, 2012, 06:56:06 PM
Trying out a new look.

(http://i48.tinypic.com/k1dq2p.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Marcus on July 30, 2012, 07:18:40 PM
Me likey!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 29, 2012, 01:27:35 PM
Pops in from the desert Welcome back Sir Marcus goes back to desert
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on August 29, 2012, 06:09:22 PM
Hello Sister. We hope all is well at your remote location. Pax vobiscum.  :)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on August 29, 2012, 09:59:28 PM
little tiring right now rest coming soon i hope
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Marcus on September 06, 2012, 06:40:32 PM
Thank you, Lady Christina!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on November 15, 2012, 07:15:57 AM
pops in before flying even further south anyone home?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on December 10, 2012, 11:59:45 AM
Put together a new look recently. Inspired by the movie: Alexander Nevsky.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/149z5x.jpg)


And from the movie:

(http://i49.tinypic.com/bahb7.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on March 08, 2013, 06:15:41 PM
I had almost forgotten this place existed. It is almost as hidden and forgotten like the old witchery of old.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Samuel on March 08, 2013, 06:18:49 PM
I am still curious as to were that huge cardboard castle came from so he could super-impose himself over it.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on March 26, 2013, 07:53:12 AM
I think this thread has gone by the wayside, thanks to the Beausant Brotherhood group on Facebook.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Brother Gregory on March 27, 2013, 07:42:25 AM
I still check everyday. Just not one to have a lot to add always.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: scarletnyx on May 04, 2013, 10:03:02 PM
As a young Templar just getting her footing, I am grateful for this thread. I've spent several nights reading it, and have learned a lot. My thanks to all of you brothers, and I hope to see you all around here at our faires in Texas!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 05, 2013, 10:47:25 AM
Greetings Sister,

We congratulate your choice of taking up a habit. In your lands of Texas, you will find several distinguished members of a Book of Faces group known as the Beausant Brotherhood. The first of which would be Frater Mikael of Aragon, as well as Hospitaller Brother Gregory. There is also Templar Brother Jim who hasn't made it to these threads yet. It is our charter to increase the knowledge of the Military Orders of the Crusades and enjoy the fraternity of those likeminded.

If you should ever have any questions please feel free to post here, contact us via PM or seek us out on the Book of Faces. We enjoy the helping of others and the challenges of research.

Pax vobiscum
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 24, 2013, 08:24:48 AM
Allow me to introduce you to the members of Team Red Cross.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/9hnrm1.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on November 12, 2013, 06:00:19 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/25s8zeu.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 28, 2014, 06:46:41 AM
This year there was a new Sheriff in town......

(http://i57.tinypic.com/14ukv8h.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 02, 2014, 03:03:20 PM
Hello Boys have you missed me 8)

Monsignor are those horns or wings on your helmet
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 10, 2014, 08:27:19 AM
Welcome back. And to answer your question. Yes.  :P
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 10, 2014, 01:13:39 PM
do you have a big enough hat box for it?
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on July 14, 2014, 07:17:50 AM
It's called a pickup truck!  :P ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on July 14, 2014, 01:25:06 PM
lol good choice
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on January 28, 2015, 09:35:37 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 04, 2015, 02:13:16 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: scarletnyx on February 10, 2015, 05:16:50 PM
I got a MUCH better sword frog at TRF this past season! My sword hangs so much better now!

Now, to upgrade my sword. I personally do not like the "glitzy" swords with really nice scabbards. I want a durable one, simple pommell, etc. I have my eyes on some on the Kult of Athena website, I just have to allot for it in my budget. But man when I put my sword belt on now and can firmly put my hand on my sword.... ;D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Lady Christina de Pond on February 11, 2015, 07:38:31 AM
I like the glitzy swords  ;D but durable is good too. I got a new dagger last garf  now to get a new frog for it  :D
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: James son of Roger on April 23, 2015, 01:23:54 PM
RDV 2015 is 2 and 3 May at Scarborough Faire, Texas.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on May 07, 2015, 07:49:39 AM
It was an awesome time!!!

(http://i62.tinypic.com/4ggf3o.jpg)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Konventual on June 09, 2015, 03:06:04 PM
Half Brother

(https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11178100_392842554251034_920019859190926461_n.jpg?oh=2246f9af540412ce847fed724754bd4f&oe=55F7EB96)
(https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11081164_380794242122532_6968561637720114991_n.jpg?oh=f917595f66599f30d0eef5efb6e9b8b4&oe=55F21222)
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: scarletnyx on August 09, 2015, 07:29:45 PM
So last weekend of TRF I got a chainmail shirt!

and MAN, THEY ARE HEAVY!

I was able to wear it for a few hours before it was just too sore, lol. But! I'm strength training to wear it longer.

The horrid, terrible, no good, very bad Jedi husband DnD nerd Saracen that shares my house also got a warrior belt that same weekend. So, we are both very well equipped to fight over the Holy Land Star Wars/Star Trek

Quote from: Lady Christina de Pond on February 11, 2015, 07:38:31 AM
I like the glitzy swords  ;D but durable is good too. I got a new dagger last garf  now to get a new frog for it  :D

I do want a glizty wallhanger sword, but I would feel too paranoid carrying it around at faire. Huzzah for the dagger! New shinies are delish!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Sir Marcus on August 20, 2015, 07:18:00 PM
Been a while since I checked in here.   Sort of forgot about it with the FB page and all.  Good to see it's still here!  I intend to visit more often now.
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on September 08, 2015, 09:25:00 AM
Welcome back!
Title: Re: Following Orders
Post by: Monsignor de Beaumanoir on April 28, 2016, 03:48:27 AM
Readers, you can now find us at:

http://www.beausantbrotherhood.com/ (http://www.beausantbrotherhood.com/)

For all your Military Orders of the Crusades Period needs.

Dv!