Am I in the minority in that I
much prefer to see people not go overboard with their outfits and (probably even more so) their accessories?
If you enjoy your look, more power to you. Don't let my comments dissuade you in any way. After all, your own enjoyment is why you're doing it. :)
But, let them perhaps cause you to reflect a moment and ponder:
- Do you really want your chest or hat to look like a 5-star general's dress uniform with row after row of favors & pins & doodads?
- Is everything (and the kitchen sink) hanging offa your belt actually adding to the effect of your outfit, or is much of it there because the combination of "That looks sorta neat" and "I've still got 2 inches of bare leather on my belt" is too powerful for you to resist?
- It's a scientifically proven fact that there's a point where strapping as many weapons as possible onto your body stops being cool. That point is age 14.
- Are you comfortable with having more ornaments hanging from your walking staff than most people have on their Christmas trees?
- Should you perhaps either buy stock in the Acme Jangly Bell Company, or just consider paring back the one-woman bells-only symphony caused by your every movement?
Now I'm sorry if anyone reading this resembles these remarks a little too closely, but I've watched more than one costume morph over the years from something striking & effective into a (sorry, there's no other way to put it) gaudy mess as the wearer kept adding bits & pieces. I know that as a purveyor of many things that people like to adorn their garb with, I may be biting the hand that feeds (well, not me since I'm not allowed to eat, but the bosses at least) but I'd love to see some restraint. There's a point where you go from looking classy & well put together with accessories that complement your outfit, to the Vegas Strip. We should all, from time to time, take a look at ourselves in the mirror and ascertain which side of the line we're on.
Am I alone here? Anyone else like to see some subtlety and restraint in garbing? Any pitfalls to watch out for that I missed?
Hi, Doug, welcome to the forums!
I dunno, *I* like to see people show a little restraint when joining a new and established community before they start insulting the other members. But maybe I'm in the minority there.
Quote from: gem on July 27, 2010, 01:26:55 AM
Hi, Doug, welcome to the forums!
I dunno, *I* like to see people show a little restraint when joining a new and established community before they start insulting the other members. But maybe I'm in the minority there.
First off, your welcome might have been more appropriate 2 years ago when I joined. (Just a scant few months after you, in fact.) But, thank you anyways. (You might want to note that a lack of posting doesn't actually make my comments any less valid than anyone else's on a public forum.)
And secondly, did I insult anyone here? Did I
not say that if you're cool with what you wear, good for you? Did I not simply propose that everyone should now and again take a step back, look at themselves, and ascertain that they remain completely enamored with what they wear? Sometimes the addiction of always getting & adding new stuff can overtake someone. It's good to reassess now and then. Did I not say that
I don't care for it, and wondered if anyone else felt the same? If you feel that my not liking what you like is an insult to you ("you" being a generality here, of course, not meaning you Gem personally), well ... maybe you're ascribing a little more importance to my opinion than you should.
I would expect that most fairegoers (and costumers) would be able to take my comments with a chuckle, a grain of salt, and possibly a nod of understanding.
If one disagrees, one could actually answer the questions I posed, telling me, "No, I don't agree. I
like all the gee-gaws. They provide visual interest to a costume and are a sentimental reminder of times past." Or one could, you know, take offense and post a passive-aggressive comment. Personally, I'd choose the former because I find that discussion (most particularly when I vehemently don't agree) is often rewarding and enlightening. But, ya know, different strokes ...
If its making someone happy and they love their look then why should anyone else care, really? I am sure there are probably a million different things that people point to on your garb and say they don't like, but do you want them doing that? Yeah sure you like it and what they're saying probably isn't going to make you stop liking it but no one likes hearing that and it really serves no purpose other than being cruel. People put alot of time, effort, and money into their outfits and that really needs to be kept in mind
I understand that you were aiming for a chuckle or just to point out some faire oddities but i have to say I agree with gem and say you missed the mark and it really did come over as rude and mocking. Would you honestly say this to someones face if you saw them wearing one or more of the stuff you listed? Would you deliver it in the same way? I know i could never do that. I think anyone is going to feel insulted when it appears that someone is telling them that something they are proud of is wrong. Did you insult anyone? Yeah i gotta say i felt pretty insulted and i barely met some of your points. Is this because I hold your opinion so highly ? God no, but its very rarely that you run across such bluntness and that it is jarring.
You kinda jumped on gem and instructed her on how a discussion of this should go and yet how you started this off reads more of a start to a bashing than a discussion ( i can honestly say she took the same tone as your first post). This is obviously something you have seen at faire multiple times so you have to know that there are going to be people on here who fit this description.
This is a pretty close knit community on here and alot of it is based on building each other up, being supportive and above all being friendly and that is where the number of posts you place does play in. If people are unfamiliar with you they are going to take offense to this because they have little else to base your character off of. This is just the same in life as it is on this forum
Now as for "discussion": I have doodads hanging off my belt, not a ton but I do, I have bells and I love them. If others don't like them then i really couldn't care but i also don't care to have them express that to me. Hell if you want to wear every piece of faire stuff you own at once then whatever. If you are having fun and enjoying yourself than ultimately you're enhancing the faire's entire vibe and if wearing everything you got it what it takes than do it! I think accessories come down to just a personal taste like everything else, you and 50 other people may like deep greens and someone else and their 50 other people may like neon green.
*Edit* I apologize in advance if this reads as bitter or rambling and nonsensical but its now 4 in the morning and I am a bit tired.
Doberman,
IMHO you should really think about how what you're saying might offend people before you post a bigoted diatribe of people you don't even know to this forum.
The way you expressed the ideas in your post are the antithesis of what faire is supposed to be about. You seem to be missing the idea of community here... I don't know in what community that kind of attitude is tolerated, though.
Faire is about self-expression and freedom and fun and yes I agree with the other responses, not you - I think your remarks were unfair(e)ly insulting and judgmental.
I generally try to be objective and non-confrontational, but I can't help being annoyed by your remarks: rest assured, blanket criticism and abusive denunciations are not going to be well-received here.
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Criticism is an ego defense mechanism.
In my experience, some people criticize because they lack something in their own life, or because they see something in themselves they don't like. Others may criticize because think they're better than everyone else in some way.
Regardless, discussion of whether people should wear whatever the hell they want should be moot. We don't live in an age or environment with any kind of sumptuary laws, and people can do or wear or say anything they want and you don't have to like any of it.
I have a long fabric favor holder & wear it with everything, from peasant to noble. It probably looks gaudy, as it has pins, favors, etc. on it. Why do I wear it all the time?
Because my friends have given these things to me. They cared enough about me to share a part of them with me. I could be sitting at faire listening to music, then I look down & see a pin, & start thinking, "---- gave this to me. I wonder what he/she's doing right now." And this happens frequently, so I think about the wonderful friends I've made & it makes me so happy.
Recently my husband bought me a new outfit, which I wore to Bristol on the first Sunday. We just downloaded the pictures from the weekend. Here is my beautifully coordinated outfit, from feather headpiece, to chemise, bloomers, bodice, & bloomers that match perfectly. And I have this huge piece of cloth hanging from my belt with stuff all over it. My first reaction was that it took away from the outfit. My second thought was my FRIENDS gave me those things, so it looked perfect.
So before anyone thinks about stuff diminishing garb, maybe the first thought should be "Gosh, those things that person is wearing must have special meaning to him/her."
Or you can be like me - and it doesn't matter what other people wear, as long as they're enjoying themselves. I don't even notice - I'm having too much fun myself.
I believe in wear what makes you happy and to hell with what anyone else thinks. I'm waiting on the day someone gives me lip on what i'm garbed in or how i'm wearing it. ;)
For me, I'm more of a minimalist also. Of course I'm pretty much a minimalist in regards to most areas of my life and I guess that folds over into what I wear to faire and how much I wear to faire.
Example: I'm not one for a bunch of bumper stickers all over my truck or any of the vehicles that I've owned in my life. I just don't like the look of a vehicle covered with bumper stickers. But that's just my opinion about my vehicle and in NO way should that effect someone who does want to "express" themselves in that manner.
So for me, less is more. But I certainly enjoy seeing and chatting with those that "roll out the ritz" when they come to faire. Items like that are always a good ice breaker when starting up a conversation with someone that I've never met before.
So Dober....................I can't say I totally disagree with some of the things you said, but the way in which you worded the thoughts that you wanted to express certainly had some rough edges to them and clearly didn't find favor with some of the fine folks in this forum. Sometimes we just have to agree that we're going to disagree, but one shouldn't be so blunt that it comes off as intentionally insulting and judgemental.
Quote from: Becky10 on July 27, 2010, 06:02:05 AM
If its making someone happy and they love their look then why should anyone else care, really? I am sure there are probably a million different things that people point to on your garb and say they don't like, but do you want them doing that? Yeah sure you like it and what they're saying probably isn't going to make you stop liking it but no one likes hearing that and it really serves no purpose other than being cruel. People put alot of time, effort, and money into their outfits and that really needs to be kept in mind
I understand that you were aiming for a chuckle or just to point out some faire oddities but i have to say I agree with gem and say you missed the mark and it really did come over as rude and mocking. Would you honestly say this to someones face if you saw them wearing one or more of the stuff you listed? Would you deliver it in the same way? I know i could never do that. I think anyone is going to feel insulted when it appears that someone is telling them that something they are proud of is wrong. Did you insult anyone? Yeah i gotta say i felt pretty insulted and i barely met some of your points. Is this because I hold your opinion so highly ? God no, but its very rarely that you run across such bluntness and that it is jarring.
You kinda jumped on gem and instructed her on how a discussion of this should go and yet how you started this off reads more of a start to a bashing than a discussion ( i can honestly say she took the same tone as your first post). This is obviously something you have seen at faire multiple times so you have to know that there are going to be people on here who fit this description.
This is a pretty close knit community on here and alot of it is based on building each other up, being supportive and above all being friendly and that is where the number of posts you place does play in. If people are unfamiliar with you they are going to take offense to this because they have little else to base your character off of. This is just the same in life as it is on this forum
Now as for "discussion": I have doodads hanging off my belt, not a ton but I do, I have bells and I love them. If others don't like them then i really couldn't care but i also don't care to have them express that to me. Hell if you want to wear every piece of faire stuff you own at once then whatever. If you are having fun and enjoying yourself than ultimately you're enhancing the faire's entire vibe and if wearing everything you got it what it takes than do it! I think accessories come down to just a personal taste like everything else, you and 50 other people may like deep greens and someone else and their 50 other people may like neon green.
*Edit* I apologize in advance if this reads as bitter or rambling and nonsensical but its now 4 in the morning and I am a bit tired.
WELL SAID!!
Everyone has their own look and opinions on what a garb is about. Tolerance, kindness and consideration for others feelings never go out of style!
Anyone who disagrees with this will now get turned into a toad- from one of the wands hanging off my overly loaded belt! LOL!
POOF!!!***<<<<
My own personal perspective on all clothing: It may make you happy but if it doesn't make everyone around you happy -or you have people trying to avert their eyes, there is something WRONG! As one friend once said to me upon seeing someone wear very inappropriate coverage -Spandex is a privilege, not a right. Don't abuse it.
Now, on to faire garb: Have I seen some things that are down right tacky? Yes! But have I seen things on the Metro in the way to work that are totally wrong? Yes! (The dress was a lovely yellow linen shirtwaist dress done in the psuedo 50's style. The problem? It was hanky weight linen and I could see her polka dot blue and pink undies in the metro station. For those that don't live in the DC/VA/MD region - the metro stations are mostly underground. Aka, it was dark! So if I could still see through it there....and this was the train ride home...well, you get the idea)
You are going to see things that should not be worn -ever- no matter where you are. It's one of the reasons I like always having a camera...
As for the specifics: it's not the overdone stuff that bugs me so much. I do believe that some people need to check out a mirror before leaving and think "Now, if I saw this on someone else, what would I think?" rather than the "I'm so awesome! Look at my awesomeness! If anyone dares to snark me, I'll punch them!" because, honestly, the latter is never an attitude to have. Some humility is a good thing.
I would ask that everyone remember the RENAISSANCE in the festival and that it's not the beach. (Yes, I've seen swimsuits at the Renn Fest before and uh...yeah.) Since most renn faires are family friendly, some people need to be reminded about that as well (both in clothing and in attitude.)
The funny thing last year at faire was I saw more people in muggle clothing that were dressed inappropriately than people in garb. My group of friends and acquaintances all saw the same thing. One of my friends tried to figure out if one muggle really wasn't wearing any pants beneath her shirt (she had on a black t-shirt and a flannel shirt over that. ....we couldn't see shorts/jeans/or a skirt. It became a quest!).
So while there are certain things that will always bug the heck out of me at faire, I can just as easily find things that bug me outside of faire. ....does that make me an equal opportunist?
Quote from: Doberman on July 27, 2010, 01:21:15 AM
- It's a scientifically proven fact that there's a point where strapping as many weapons as possible onto your body stops being cool. That point is age 14.
Yes, but the "scientists" that did this study weren't cool enough to strap on one weapon, let alone multiple ones, therefore making their conclusion null and void.
Hi,
Despite wearing Spanish garb, I'm a bit of a minimalist myself. (no, honestly). But I don't think this is the forum to go off on how someone's else garb bothers you. It's not as if someone is forcing you to dress like that.
But I hope you enjoy the rest of this forum as I hope everyone does.
Quote from: Dragonlord on July 27, 2010, 11:16:22 AM
Quote from: Doberman on July 27, 2010, 01:21:15 AM
- It's a scientifically proven fact that there's a point where strapping as many weapons as possible onto your body stops being cool. That point is age 14.
Yes, but the "scientists" that did this study weren't cool enough to strap on one weapon, let alone multiple ones, therefore making their conclusion null and void.
LMAO
To each his/her own.
We all have our styles, Doberman. Accept people's individuality or stay home.
Sorry! I had to vent a little. I am done now. >:(
LOL KoE... you call that venting???
*oiyvey*
ROFLOL! I was thinking the same thing, Blue! =D
I believe that is the nicest vent I have ever seen.
I believe in to each his/her own as well. If someone likes their "look" so be it, it is one of the least things I would worry about.
I can't say anything, I'm terribly tacky. I have things dripping off of things which then have pockets for their things. This year is going to be worse, as I'll be carrying a mini torture chamber as well as many different alchemical devices and potions. Oh, and lets not forget the live leeches...
Quote from: Doberman on July 27, 2010, 01:21:15 AM
- Do you really want your chest or hat to look like a 5-star general's dress uniform with row after row of favors & pins & doodads?
OK, I know this isn't from faire but I was reminded of this picture. (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/olmark/untitled-1.jpg)
I used to have about 20 pounds of pins and patches and crap on that vest! I would carry it in my bike, but only drag it out for certain stuff because it was too heavy to wear all day!
- It's a scientifically proven fact that there's a point where strapping as many weapons as possible onto your body stops being cool. That point is age 14.
I'm with you on that one, but for a practical reason, I just don't want to carry the weight anymore!
I think I've gone the direction of my garb getting simpler as time goes on, I've got it down to where it's actually more comfortable than my mundanes most of the time! Best advice ? Wear what makes you happy, and don't worry about what makes anybody else happy!
As the saying goes here in Minnesota..."It could have been worse!" ;D
the way I see it, my outfits are still evolving, and always will. I had, for a brief amt of time, an awesome (and lamented!) walking stick. It fit me, my hand, it was awesome- and due to my own lack of foresight, it now graces someone elses garb (or it got chopped into firewood, who knows) Point is, in hindsight, it was waaay too hard to manage it AND a basket AND my camera!
I dont always carry a basket- sometimes I wish I didnt- it's heavy! but then, what should I do with my camera, and my purchases (hee hee, and flasks!)? sometimes I wear these items on my belt, sometimes i dont.
when I'm Sidhe, I wear jingle bells- all faieries make noise!
I wish i had more favors- I envy people with huge favor sashes, because those are people who really know they have a lot of friends in the community.
So do I sometimes end up with too much stuff on/about me? You bet!
Do I sometimes wish I hd brought MORE stuff with me? ABSOLUTELY!
but no one can answer the question expocept you.
So, to the OP i say- wear what makes you happy, and we'll so the same- lol just dont ask me to carry anything for you!
Quote from: Doberman on July 27, 2010, 01:21:15 AM
- Should you perhaps either buy stock in the Acme Jangly Bell Company, or just consider paring back the one-woman bells-only symphony caused by your every movement?
Nah, I'd buy stock in the Griffin Works (if they were public), even though they do leatherwork. They make the most beautiful oak leaves in autumn colors with bells attached that can be hung from one's belt. I just got my third one last weekend to add to my symphony. ;)
We all go through phases of garb just like phases in life. We change, grow, expand our knowledge, mature, and add to our character.
My Bronco II had several stickers on it. I wouldn't put a sticker on my new truck to save my life! I changed.
My first garb was simple peasant and I didn't want anything else. Now I have peasant, middle, noble, pirate, and gypsy. I changed.
Personally I could never dye my hair. I know some girls that change the color 1-3 times a year. It drives me crazy because I think natural color is always better. But am I going to say that to them? NO!! They are my friend and will always have my respect because they are doing what makes them feel good.
A person's garb tells a story about them. We should respect that!
Did we scare him off? :P
in all honesty, I would much rather see someone with belt/sash/whatever full of favors, tools, weapons, bells, whatever makes them happy than to see the 300lb person showing 90% of their skin.
Personally, I have streamlined my belt by carrying a basket to hold some of my stuff, and am down to a few strings of bells, a couple of pouches, a fan, and my mug/mugstrap. I wear what I wear because it makes ME happy to wear it, not to please anyone else. As a customer in a booth, I do my best to ensure that nothing on my belt, person, or basket is going to catch on things in the shoppe and cause damage. As a member of the audience of a show, I do my best to ensure that my tiny bells don't detract from the show.
Doug, I have never met you, unless you worked the Grichel's booth at Scarborough Faire, but as much as I LOVE the Grichels (and I have a pouch and a hair thing, PLUS have personally taken at least a dozen people to the booth, and eventually, EVERY one of them purchased something from the booth), the fact that you ranted as you did on this forum, in my opinion, reflects quite poorly on you AND Grichels, as you appear to represent them as well since your signature shows:
Doug "Doberman" Hillman
Grichels indentured servant.
What it boils down to is: fair, for those of us who are entry-paying patrons, is escapism. When it stops being fun, people will stop going, and the fair will close due to the lack of gate-paying patrons.
Wet blankets should be discarded as they will inevitably mildew and stink up the joint.
Rarely do I feel so compelled to post.
In the effort to respond to the original post.....
Quote from: Doberman on July 27, 2010, 01:21:15 AM
Am I in the minority in that I much prefer to see people not go overboard with their outfits and (probably even more so) their accessories? You may very well be in the minority amongst playtrons. What I prefer don't enter into it.
If you enjoy your look, more power to you. Don't let my comments dissuade you in any way. After all, your own enjoyment is why you're doing it. :)
But, let them perhaps cause you to reflect a moment and ponder:
- Do you really want your chest or hat to look like a 5-star general's dress uniform with row after row of favors & pins & doodads? I LOVE seeing the "4-Star General", and checking all the decor & schtuff, there are so many stories to hear from these folks!
- Is everything (and the kitchen sink) hanging offa your belt actually adding to the effect of your outfit, or is much of it there because the combination of "That looks sorta neat" and "I've still got 2 inches of bare leather on my belt" is too powerful for you to resist? May not pass the garb Nazis, but way easier than carrying as I walk the faire for eight hours.
- It's a scientifically proven fact that there's a point where strapping as many weapons as possible onto your body stops being cool. That point is age 14. What he said, Dragonlord, I mean, that was funny!
- Are you comfortable with having more ornaments hanging from your walking staff than most people have on their Christmas trees? Oh, how droll. I find myself unable to respond with anything aproaching civility, and so, cannot
- Should you perhaps either buy stock in the Acme Jangly Bell Company, or just consider paring back the one-woman bells-only symphony caused by your every movement? How sad that this seems to offend so greatly. The fae sounds are attractive to my senses.
Now I'm sorry if anyone reading this resembles these remarks a little too closely, but I've watched more than one costume morph over the years from something striking & effective into a (sorry, there's no other way to put it) gaudy mess as the wearer kept adding bits & pieces. I know that as a purveyor of many things that people like to adorn their garb with, I may be biting the hand that feeds (well, not me since I'm not allowed to eat, but the bosses at least) but I'd love to see some restraint. There's a point where you go from looking classy & well put together with accessories that complement your outfit, to the Vegas Strip. We should all, from time to time, take a look at ourselves in the mirror and ascertain which side of the line we're on.
Am I alone here? Anyone else like to see some subtlety and restraint in garbing? Any pitfalls to watch out for that I missed?
There is one pitfall that concerns me, and that is the quest for complete H/A, which is far too uncomfortable for my taste.
Dinobabe pretty much said it for me. Ditto.
Athena-I want an Oakleaf....
I wear bells on one ankle (not loud ones) and I like to jingle.
Wizards should always over-accessorize, as should gypsies, it just looks right (to me anyway.)
The only things garb-wise I really object to can be found in the 'thing that make you want eye bleach' thread.
Are you talking about people's garb who work at faire, or the general paying public who show up wearing whatever? Because there is a huge difference in expectation between the two in my experience.
There is not enough soap to wash out my mouth for what I really would like to say, but for the record, I'll be adding a new do-dad thingy, and bells lots of bells ;)
Quote from: Lady Lil on July 27, 2010, 08:21:33 PM
There is not enough soap to wash out my mouth for what I really would like to say, but for the record, I'll be adding a new do-dad thingy, and bells lots of bells ;)
You've inspired me to get a bell, maybe several.
In the mundane world I wear jeans or dress slacks and a plain black blouse, cute shoes, and simple accessories.
Faire is my place to go overboard (Someone once told me not to go overboard and everyone around who knows me well just laughed).
My hat is made of straw but weighs over 10 pounds.
If it is hot pink, I own it and have it somewhere on my person at faire.
The most boring part of my garb would be my plain black boots, but no one ever sees them.
The point of faire is to have fun. If you want to go minimalist, join SCA and play H/A police over there. :)
You know
I am very much a 'to each his own' kind of person. Granted I have rolled my eyes or snickered in amusement when I see someone whose close literally don't fit them well both in mundane life and at faire, but I would never have the audacity or gall to criticize someone's sense of style and what makes them happy.
I would love for you Doberman to come up to me in person at faire and say that to my face. Once I stopped laughing I am sure I would have some choice words for you in several different languages that you would soon not forget.
now I am not lucky enough to have a favor sash as I have not had the chance to make any local faire friends, but if I did I would wear it proudly and with respect.
If you have that much time that you can obsess and be bothered about someone else's garb and trinkets to the point that it bothers you so much, well I say you have too much free time on your hands and need to get yourself a hobby.
Live and let live, no one should be so presumptuous as to impose their own beliefs of propriety on someone else's innocent pleasures and enjoyment.
BTW, after looking up your Facebook (with your account-provided e-mail) you state you used to have blue hair.
*I* used to have pink hair.... and was told I was "overdoing it." Methinks you are sad that you got called out on not being H/A with blue hair and now wanna take it out on those who aren't afraid to be themselves. :)
I have a bell, too. One of the crewe walks around with a ship's bell and we ring it on special occasions...like, when the Captain's mug goes dry. ;D It gets a bit of use......as do all my pins, buttons, muskets, swords, bags and flasks. And ding a lings are everywhere....
Faire is for having fun, being ridiculous, and meeting the great people that inhabit this subculture. Doberman, this is an escape from corporate America, and it sounds like SCA or Civil War reenactment would more up your alley. ;)
I'm used to a little snarky fashion humor (ever watch What Not to Wear or looked at the fashion police pictorials in magazines?) so I guess that's why I'm not terribly put off by Doug's opinion. It just read to me like a synopsis of What Not to Wear - Ren Faire Edition. I don't always agree with the opinions of the fashion "experts" on the show, for example they advised a 30 year old not to wear her plaid mini skirt anymore because it's too youthful but I'm 31 and my favorite article of clothing is my plaid skirt, but I didn't haul off and start writing angry letters to them. It's their OPINION and I find, even if I don't agree, it's usually given in a lighthearted, humorous way and I can appreciate that.
I don't like seeing anyone attacked on forums for expressing their opinions. I visit a few different forums for different hobbies and I've noticed that only certain opinions are welcome in each, and that's not fair. As long as they're thought out and moderately respectful, who cares? Seriously...if his intention was to hurt or rain on every (alleged) over-accessorizer's parade, I think Doug could have removed the humor filter and said much worse. He was making an observation, giving his opinion, opening up some dialogue, and trying to be funny. I can't possibly be the ONLY person that read it and had a chuckle? It reads like a fashion do's & don'ts column. He's not advocating kicking puppies or tripping old people, I think it's safe to put down the rocks, put away the torches and pitch forks. He's one of us, guys!
As to the actual topic...my OPINION is that a lot of accessories on lower and middle class garb adds to the believability of their character. They couldn't afford servants to carry around their necessities so they probably had to wear them. You can sometimes even identify the character someone is playing by their accessories alone, and some make great conversation pieces and are a way to start a gig in the lanes. When I first started going to fest I assumed the actors were the garbed people who actually CARRIED things, they were well accessorized, all tricked out from head to toe, not just wearing a rented costume as I was then. But I now know that playtrons are often just as detailed as the hired actors (and sometimes more so) they fill out village and thusly enhance the whole experience.
Now for nobles I think less is more. I've watched as a lovely Queen's Tudor ensemble morphed her into an overdecorated Christmas tree through the years with the addition of feathers, chain mail, and favors in addition to the requisite pouch and goblet. My OPINION is that it looked better without all the "stuff". I read the costuming guidelines for a guild (St. George, I believe) and they discourage their nobility from hanging too much stuff on their person. I admire and aspire to their overall look so when I dress nobly, I go minimalist too.
Now should I add a caveat to my post so I, in my turn, am not attacked for defending Doug, and sharing my own personal ren style preferences? Ok, ok, I'll do it for funsies.
The author of this post is an active participant and enthusiast of the renaissance festival community and it's culture and wholly agrees with and supports the idea that the spirit of historical reenactment is all in fun. She smiles upon all who support Renaissance festivals with their patronage from Storm Troopers to Elvis and looks forward all year to cavorting with the overaccessorized masses each summer. While the author wishes not to publicly criticize another's garb (unless in a forum where opinions are openly sought), she reserves the right to think, and keep to herself, whatever she wants about what you're wearing. She does not presume to think that any opinion she has publicly presented is better than that of others, and submits it only in an effort to facilitate thoughtful debate and interesting conversation.
Lol... Rennie's can be a defensive, prickly, bunch can't we? :D What they lady says is true... Doberman wasn't out to tick people off, just to get a spirited discussion going. If everyone would reread his opening statement... then laugh at all of us getting our hackles up...
He giving his opinion and asking for everyone's in return...
Hey, my hackles are right where they should be. At the cleaners, then getting dyed red. I want to be presentable for when I have to kick your butt LOL!
I agree my response was probably a bit defensive- I blame it on the fact that our shop has no ac and its 92o outside with 85% humidity and the weather channel says its going to feel like 102o by 1pm
anyway
I think the problem might have been his choice of words. Most reasonable people that have spent time on any kind of a discussion board know how easily things can be mis read
so maybe he should have left out the bit about the favors and pins- thats basically critizing people's friendships and akin to criticizing someone's children. No matter how much it might be deserved you know its gonna get people's hackles up.
Also, I have only been attending faire for a couple of years and our court recently changed so I haven't really gotten to experience the whole morphing thing. I get it, especially after NicoleBridget's explanation.
Maybe our faire is just more boring then most as I haven't really seen much of what everyone is talking about.
We actually have a rather huge lack of accessorizing and there are is lot of "off the internet rack' garbing going on.
I still stand that if someone where to criticize my garb or accessories to my face they would be the worse for wear
oh and I don't know where my hackles are
they are probably bubble wrapped and packed up in a box in my new garage.
Quote from: Auryn on July 28, 2010, 11:10:39 AM
oh and I don't know where my hackles are
they are probably bubble wrapped and packed up in a box in my new garage.
::Quirks head:: Bubble wrap?
Believing people are overdoing it, and calling them on it are two differnt things. Check this out:
http://attack-laurel.livejournal.com/167972.html
Seems to be spot on.
Quote from: NicoleBridget on July 28, 2010, 10:38:25 AM
I don't like seeing anyone attacked on forums for expressing their opinions. I visit a few different forums for different hobbies and I've noticed that only certain opinions are welcome in each, and that's not fair. As long as they're thought out and moderately respectful, who cares?
People are entitled to do or say or *ahem* wear anything they want.
I think most of us are just saying the superior, mocking tone was, well, 'overdone' and not conducive to a non-defensive conversation.
p.s. Valiss: I officially love that LJ article.
Having been on the receiving end of a walk-by snark early this month, I can tell you, it isn't pleasant. I very nearly had to be physically restrained from wheeling about and giving this woman a piece of my mind, in character, about why my blackwork sleeves actually were historically appropriate, and how our skirt circumferences were as well. We were leaving the non-faire event (we were promoting the faire), however, and I didn't want to make a scene, but my blood was boiling. I managed to keep a smile on my face, though, as there were so many cute little kids in line. Internally, it really hurt.
While it is okay to have an opinion, it is not okay to state that opinion in a hurtful way. If you can't stand it, and have to say something, at least keep your mouth shut until the person is out of ear shot.
Yes, I've occasionally thought, "what were they thinking?", but unless I have some kind of responsibility for that person, or unless naughty bits are showing or about to be showing (accidental or otherwise, and I do this discreetly, because I'd want to know if something was slipping lower than I wanted it to), I keep my mouth shut. If people ask me for advice, I will steer them to more attractive choices (for them) gently. It costs little to be kind.
I like seeing people's accessories, because I know there has to be a story in there somewhere, and really, when you boil it down to the essentials, that is what we are doing. We're telling and acting out a day-long story. Every person in garb adds to it, even if it is a Star Trek away team (I swear most the rennies I know are trekkies, too!). It is a festival day, and strange and fantastical beings are part of the festival.
And honestly, if I heard one of our vendors was saying stuff like this, I would not give that booth my patronage. I already have three vendors on my list, due to other incidents, I can add more. Seriously, if they are saying stuff like this out loud, within earshot of patrons, even if those patrons aren't the ones being discussed, that is extremely unprofessional, not to mention hurtful to the faire's reputation.
Quote from: Lady Rosalind on July 28, 2010, 11:32:49 AM
And honestly, if I heard one of our vendors was saying stuff like this, I would not give that booth my patronage. I already have three vendors on my list, due to other incidents, I can add more. Seriously, if they are saying stuff like this out loud, within earshot of patrons, even if those patrons aren't the ones being discussed, that is extremely unprofessional, not to mention hurtful to the faire's reputation.
Ya know...I'd kinda like to have just a couple of people sitting on the sidelines commenting on everyone that walked by. Sort of a Statler and Waldorf (the old guys on the muppets) type thing. To me, that would be hilarious!
If it were done right, yes, it would be. ;D
It would have to be so unbelievably over the top that folks would understand that it wasn't serious.
Quote from: isabelladangelo on July 28, 2010, 11:40:28 AM
Quote from: Lady Rosalind on July 28, 2010, 11:32:49 AM
And honestly, if I heard one of our vendors was saying stuff like this, I would not give that booth my patronage. I already have three vendors on my list, due to other incidents, I can add more. Seriously, if they are saying stuff like this out loud, within earshot of patrons, even if those patrons aren't the ones being discussed, that is extremely unprofessional, not to mention hurtful to the faire's reputation.
Ya know...I'd kinda like to have just a couple of people sitting on the sidelines commenting on everyone that walked by. Sort of a Statler and Waldorf (the old guys on the muppets) type thing. To me, that would be hilarious!
this would be awesome- though, I'd say it'd be funnier if it were two perfectly dressed Tudor ladies commenting on our modern fashions
Quote from: Seamus Ex Machina on July 28, 2010, 10:29:58 AM
Faire is for having fun, being ridiculous, and meeting the great people that inhabit this subculture. Doberman, this is an escape from corporate America, and it sounds like SCA or Civil War reenactment would more up your alley. ;)
I was a member of a Civil War forum for a while. The people were so incredibly cruel! I understand that the H/A requirements are much higher because we have documents and manuals that state EXACTLY what they wore, but being rude about it is not a requirement. Needless to say I left that board a long time ago. And thankfully when I attend Civil War reenactments the people that act like that are few, at least at the events I attend. ;)
Quote from: GoodyTombShoes on July 28, 2010, 01:56:28 PM
Ohhh I was drive-by snarked last year at Sterling. It was fantasy weekend and I was wearing my very cool Mistress Camo. Peasant style garb in camo's and brown. Over skirt, under skirt, chemise, bodice, headscarf. I had on black boots and had a plastic uzi hanging off my *gasp* belt. Someone snarked, "Isn't that anachronistic". I walked on thinking evil, evil thoughts. It is not fun being poked fun of.
I need to work on some more favors for the season...
ok, seriously, if someone is randomly spouting teh word 'anachronistic' in thier snark, to me that's a SURE sign that they are seeeeriously insecure! It's like waving a flag that says 'I'm SMART, dangnubbit!"
Quote from: bellevivre on July 28, 2010, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: GoodyTombShoes on July 28, 2010, 01:56:28 PM
Ohhh I was drive-by snarked last year at Sterling. It was fantasy weekend and I was wearing my very cool Mistress Camo. Peasant style garb in camo's and brown. Over skirt, under skirt, chemise, bodice, headscarf. I had on black boots and had a plastic uzi hanging off my *gasp* belt. Someone snarked, "Isn't that anachronistic". I walked on thinking evil, evil thoughts. It is not fun being poked fun of.
I need to work on some more favors for the season...
ok, seriously, if someone is randomly spouting teh word 'anachronistic' in thier snark, to me that's a SURE sign that they are seeeeriously insecure! It's like waving a flag that says 'I'm SMART, dangnubbit!"
I ask these folks if they wove their fabric themselves or could prove it was woven by hand. That usually shuts them up. :)
Quote from: GoodyTombShoes on July 28, 2010, 01:56:28 PM
Ohhh I was drive-by snarked last year at Sterling. It was fantasy weekend and I was wearing my very cool Mistress Camo. Peasant style garb in camo's and brown. Over skirt, under skirt, chemise, bodice, headscarf. I had on black boots and had a plastic uzi hanging off my *gasp* belt. Someone snarked, "Isn't that anachronistic". I walked on thinking evil, evil thoughts. It is not fun being poked fun of.
I need to work on some more favors for the season...
I would have used the uzi!!! ;D
Quote from: bellevivre on July 28, 2010, 01:28:32 PM
Quote from: isabelladangelo on July 28, 2010, 11:40:28 AM
Quote from: Lady Rosalind on July 28, 2010, 11:32:49 AM
And honestly, if I heard one of our vendors was saying stuff like this, I would not give that booth my patronage. I already have three vendors on my list, due to other incidents, I can add more. Seriously, if they are saying stuff like this out loud, within earshot of patrons, even if those patrons aren't the ones being discussed, that is extremely unprofessional, not to mention hurtful to the faire's reputation.
Ya know...I'd kinda like to have just a couple of people sitting on the sidelines commenting on everyone that walked by. Sort of a Statler and Waldorf (the old guys on the muppets) type thing. To me, that would be hilarious!
this would be awesome- though, I'd say it'd be funnier if it were two perfectly dressed Tudor ladies commenting on our modern fashions
If this is ever happens someone please let me know when and where. I would love to watch it.
Oh, if anyone snarked me in earshot, it would SO be on! A little blood on your gown is period, right?
Quote from: LadyShadow on July 28, 2010, 02:18:19 PM
Quote from: bellevivre on July 28, 2010, 01:28:32 PM
Quote from: isabelladangelo on July 28, 2010, 11:40:28 AM
Quote from: Lady Rosalind on July 28, 2010, 11:32:49 AM
And honestly, if I heard one of our vendors was saying stuff like this, I would not give that booth my patronage. I already have three vendors on my list, due to other incidents, I can add more. Seriously, if they are saying stuff like this out loud, within earshot of patrons, even if those patrons aren't the ones being discussed, that is extremely unprofessional, not to mention hurtful to the faire's reputation.
Ya know...I'd kinda like to have just a couple of people sitting on the sidelines commenting on everyone that walked by. Sort of a Statler and Waldorf (the old guys on the muppets) type thing. To me, that would be hilarious!
this would be awesome- though, I'd say it'd be funnier if it were two perfectly dressed Tudor ladies commenting on our modern fashions
If this is ever happens someone please let me know when and where. I would love to watch it.
Come to PaRF! We've had bits like this in the past and I know there's a couple nobles bringing it back this year. Come, look for Francis Bacon and ask what he thinks about someone's fashion! ;)
As a newby I like seeing the different types of garb and ppls personable little "add ons" as much as I am awed by the seeming H/A of those and others. In my newby humble opinion, like some have mentioned, I can see how a person's "add ons" may share more about that person vs. the garb itself,! To me, I would be more inclined to think of them as knowledgeable folks, their favors gleaming like merits of experienced fair fun and humble wisdom. My two shinny new shillings (or however that adds up).... ;)
Quote from: JJames on July 28, 2010, 03:50:36 PM
As a newby I like seeing the different types of garb and ppls personable little "add ons" as much as I am awed by the seeming H/A of those and others. In my newby humble opinion, like some have mentioned, I can see how a person's "add ons" may share more about that person vs. the garb itself,! To me, I would be more inclined to think of them as knowledgeable folks, their favors gleaming like merits of experienced fair fun and humble wisdom. My two shinny new shillings (or however that adds up).... ;)
So.... how YOU doin?
Quote from: blue66669 on July 28, 2010, 04:13:53 PM
Quote from: JJames on July 28, 2010, 03:50:36 PM
As a newby I like seeing the different types of garb and ppls personable little "add ons" as much as I am awed by the seeming H/A of those and others. In my newby humble opinion, like some have mentioned, I can see how a person's "add ons" may share more about that person vs. the garb itself,! To me, I would be more inclined to think of them as knowledgeable folks, their favors gleaming like merits of experienced fair fun and humble wisdom. My two shinny new shillings (or however that adds up).... ;)
So.... how YOU doin?
Quite well! ;D
I love seeing people with favors and little do-dads. I really hope I shall have my own brag rag or favor bag some day :). Like many people have said, better than I can, it just shows how many fun times people have had at faire :D
Wow... 5 pages in just under two days! I'd say someone was trolling to see how many flaming responses he could get in a short amount of time, but I suppose that could be taken as an incendiary remark in itself, so I guess I'd better not, eh? Oh, well... I could be wrong. It's happened before... ;) :D
I enjoy being rather jingly...but as for the everything but the kitchen sink on the belt, thats not for me...I don't see the purpose in having so much on it unless you're going to use it..I only have 2 things on my belt that are mostly for decoration...my tail and my flogger. My flogger was an addition this year...beyond that I have 1 pouch or 2 depending on whether or not i bring my camera, and a mug. I can see needing a few pouches, and a weapon is cool, and I totally get fans, but I don't see the need in some of the stuff on some peoples belts.
As for favors, I really liked the idea originally and i made some, but i hardly ever gave them away and never recieved any so it turned out pointless..Since then i kinda gave up on favors.
Quote from: Rani Zemirah on July 29, 2010, 12:15:40 AM
Wow... 5 pages in just under two days! I'd say someone was trolling to see how many flaming responses he could get in a short amount of time, but I suppose that could be taken as an incendiary remark in itself, so I guess I'd better not, eh? Oh, well... I could be wrong. It's happened before... ;) :D
I am of a like mind Rani. I'm waiting for all the negative vibes to leave a few threads on this forum. How about we start some threads such as "What other
fun things can we add to our garb?" and "Things that are
beautiful about the people of faire!"
I haven't ever really cared what anyone else has for costume/accessories. Of coarse if you do work at the Faire and are wearing something that is very obviously modern, you may get a strange look.
In reading this thread I have thought back on all the entertainers that I've seen and even those that were "over doing it", their accessories had a purpose. I've seen people with an outrageous amount of stuff on their belt and strapped across their back. Most were musicians. An instrument or two, a pouch or three, a mug, a basket for tips & CDs they were selling . . .etc. While there was a lot of things there, they all had a purpose. They were all used.
I've seen one completely outrageous person that had WWAAAAAAAYYYY to much on. But, it fit his character. And it was how he interacted with paytrons. He did it very well. It made his character complete.
Sean
Quote from: Will Scarlet on July 29, 2010, 09:15:44 AM
In reading this thread I have thought back on all the entertainers that I've seen and even those that were "over doing it", their accessories had a purpose. I've seen people with an outrageous amount of stuff on their belt and strapped across their back. Most were musicians. An instrument or two, a pouch or three, a mug, a basket for tips & CDs they were selling . . .etc. While there was a lot of things there, they all had a purpose. They were all used.
I've seen one completely outrageous person that had WWAAAAAAAYYYY to much on. But, it fit his character. And it was how he interacted with paytrons. He did it very well. It made his character complete.
Sean
Excellent point.
I flashed on the old 'one man band' guy from the 19th century. You know; Drum, banjo, cymbals on his knees, a whistle, etc., made a somewhat musical noise as he walked? It makes sense to think that they had someone like this in the middle ages.
In those days, most trinket vendors at fairs and joust events worked the crowds with a tray for their goods, like the peanut guy at the ballpark.
I
expect to see some characters loaded down with stuff.
Quote from: Rani Zemirah on July 29, 2010, 12:15:40 AM
Wow... 5 pages in just under two days! I'd say someone was trolling to see how many flaming responses he could get in a short amount of time, but I suppose that could be taken as an incendiary remark in itself, so I guess I'd better not, eh? Oh, well... I could be wrong. It's happened before... ;) :D
I thought I was wrong once, turned out I was wrong.
(snicker) ;D
Quote from: Bonny Pearl on July 29, 2010, 08:46:01 AM
Quote from: Rani Zemirah on July 29, 2010, 12:15:40 AM
Wow... 5 pages in just under two days! I'd say someone was trolling to see how many flaming responses he could get in a short amount of time, but I suppose that could be taken as an incendiary remark in itself, so I guess I'd better not, eh? Oh, well... I could be wrong. It's happened before... ;) :D
I am of a like mind Rani. I'm waiting for all the negative vibes to leave a few threads on this forum. How about we start some threads such as "What other fun things can we add to our garb?" and "Things that are beautiful about the people of faire!"
Those both sound like fun threads, Bonny! :D Sometimes it's good to have a space to let off a little steam, as long as it's not done in a way that's hurtful or mean spirited... but I do
much prefer those places (and threads) that lift us all up and make us smile!
I have, however, really enjoyed reading about all the fun and interesting things people carry around with them at Faire, so there is at least
some positive here! It makes me want to meet everyone and check out all their cool sounding stuff!!! :D
Oh, now she sounds like someone I'd like to meet!!! I love to see all the cool little things someone has collected over the years, and hear the stories behind them, or how they were made, what their relevance is to the character... all the little things that make up a really fascinating back story! Particularly if that story is told in character... :D As a Gypsy, I get to carry various things with me that might have had their origins in far distant, exotic lands, and they don't all have to be things that I might use on a daily basis, since trading was such a large part of the Gypsy lifestyle. I can also get away with having the odd treasure or two, and explain it away as an item traded from a Noble Lady in exchange for a potent charm, positive reading or some sort of intricate craft work. I also love my favor sash, but I don't wear it when I perform, only when I'm at play... ;)
Ok. I thinking we need a photo thread.....for the most accessorized.
Show yer pictures to prove that you have:
1) most favors
2) most faire pins
3) most things suspended from a belt (without falling over)
4) most interesting arrangments of any or all of the above.
5) most or most interesting bodice adornments
6) outrageous trims
and the list can get as long as we want!
Oh what fun!
At the faire, I am very minimalist. A common sailor. I carry a belt pouch, a sheathed knife, and a small leather bag. I also hand carry a tin cup covered in knotwork. No decorations, save the R/F pin on my thrum cap.
My son, on the other hand, has 3 pouches hanging from his belt, usually 5 pewter mugs and a pouch on his walking stick, a nicely decorated doublet with much ribbon, cord, and brass buttons, and a flat cap decorated in phesant feathers and badger fur.
So, to each their own, I guess!
As someone previously posted a few pages back, there does seem to be a cycle or even a bell curve in the average actors costume life. For many, when you start, you're new and probably lacking sufficiant funs to outright buy a full garb with all the gear you like. Then as time goes on you purchase more and more, bulding up a costume (and character to a degree). After a couple of years, you're filled to the gills in pins, buttons and ribbons, not to mention a belt that has enough stuff hanging on it to sink you to the bottom of the Marianas trench. Then as people get more experienced it seems like they tend to focus more on character and tone down all the bells and whistles, and move a bit more towards comfort and interestingly enough by default, authenticity (people in the ren days didnt wear all those pins and things hanging off thier belts AFAIK). When the dust has settled, you have a nice costume with just a bit of individuality without going overboard, yet still fun and comfortable. Many actors I've worked with seem to follow this track, but of course everyone has thier own experiences.
WOW! I'm shocked that someone would come on these boards to discuss "OVERDOING IT" ! Its FAIRE! Isn't it about your interpretation?
Quote from: LADY JOYCE ANN on July 29, 2010, 04:07:05 PM
WOW! I'm shocked that someone would come on these boards to discuss "OVERDOING IT" ! Its FAIRE! Isn't it about your interpretation?
I wouldn't say your interpretation. I am one of the people that would *love* to see the Renaissance put back into the festival. (because, really, I've see the chainmail to skin ratio violated far too many times...) However, I'm also not opposed to a good pirate costume (complete with the gun belt hanging and the pouches for gunpowder) or any
good costume that fits the idea of a Renaissance festival. I have raised my eyebrow at things I'm sure half the board wouldn't bat an eyelash at, but I'm honestly far more comfortable with the "flair" (Office Space, anyone?) and have seen it done well as well as poorly. Now the woman who is about a 52k cup size wearing an underbust corset and only has her thin cotton chemise to support and cover her? That scares me. :P
I'm apparently one of the very few who didn't find his post offensive in the least, despite disagreeing with most of what he said. :) The way he worded it seemed amusing and lighthearted to me, not egotistical or as though he was trying to bash anyone. People have shared lots of varying opinions on here - fantasy, don't fantasy, Star Trek, don't Trek - so I don't see a reason to get all ruffled up about this one. It bothers me how, on the various forums I've been a part of, people only like it when opinions that follow the majority are expressed and people who disagree with them get pounced on (like the Twilight series. People say they like it, people disagree, and the ones who do act like they have personally been sliced to ribbons by the difference of opinion. It's not like they said they don't like you). Bashing him for his opinions as is bad as the other way around. He wasn't personally insulting any of you, or at least it didn't come across that way to me.
You keep saying, "Would you go up to someone and tell them their outfit was overdone?" but he didn't. He didn't call any of you out. It's like Stormtroopers or Star Trek characters at faire. Some of you have a problem with them, some of you don't, and there are threads on here dedicated to discussing such things, including fantasy in general, but you don't go up to them and say, "You should stay home or dress in period garb because you're ruining my faire experience." Those people love what they wear and have fun with it. You have said on this forum that you don't like it. You weren't out to get anyone, you were just expressing an opinion. There's not a big difference, in my eyes, between this and that, in the core of the matter.
What Manwariel said. I thought the OP was humorous, but then again I have a very sarcastic sense of humor.
Gina
Quote from: Manwariel on July 30, 2010, 11:55:26 AM
(like the Twilight series. People say they like it, people disagree, and the ones who do act like they have personally been sliced to ribbons by the difference of opinion. It's not like they said they don't like you).
What... are you trying to say that you think sparkly vampires are lame?!?!? HOW DARE YOU COME HERE AND SAY THAT SORT OF THING ON A PUBLIC FORUM!!!!
*falls over laughing*
Quote from: Manwariel on July 30, 2010, 11:55:26 AM
I'm apparently one of the very few who didn't find his post offensive in the least, despite disagreeing with most of what he said. :) The way he worded it seemed amusing and lighthearted to me, not egotistical or as though he was trying to bash anyone. People have shared lots of varying opinions on here - fantasy, don't fantasy, Star Trek, don't Trek - so I don't see a reason to get all ruffled up about this one. It bothers me how, on the various forums I've been a part of, people only like it when opinions that follow the majority are expressed and people who disagree with them get pounced on (like the Twilight series. People say they like it, people disagree, and the ones who do act like they have personally been sliced to ribbons by the difference of opinion. It's not like they said they don't like you). Bashing him for his opinions as is bad as the other way around. He wasn't personally insulting any of you, or at least it didn't come across that way to me.
You keep saying, "Would you go up to someone and tell them their outfit was overdone?" but he didn't. He didn't call any of you out. It's like Stormtroopers or Star Trek characters at faire. Some of you have a problem with them, some of you don't, and there are threads on here dedicated to discussing such things, including fantasy in general, but you don't go up to them and say, "You should stay home or dress in period garb because you're ruining my faire experience." Those people love what they wear and have fun with it. You have said on this forum that you don't like it. You weren't out to get anyone, you were just expressing an opinion. There's not a big difference, in my eyes, between this and that, in the core of the matter.
I think you make a good point Manwariel. Every year we get heards of people in the oddest costumes. StormTroopers in kilts, people in animal costumes . . . etc. And everytime they come, there is almost always some sort very entertaining interactions between the performers at faire and these paytrons.
The people in costume are happy for the attention and "good-sports", and the rest of the paytrons/playtrons get a good laugh out of it.
I have a question--why was Doberman's question so fantastically inappropriate and offensive, while there is a thriving "brain bleach" thread, in the very same section (garbing) as this thread? That thread, in which many of the same posters as are in this thread, talk about when they saw someone wearing "too much" (or rather, as the case may be, not enough)...
I thought Doberman's original post was humorous, and he was only expressing his opinion. I thought instantly of some pics I've seen posted on this site of people who had so much stuff on them that their beautifully crafted garb could barely be seen, and I laughed. I myself am minimalist by nature--it would drive me nuts to have all kinds of bobs and bits dangling off my body, but if that's what you like, then that's what you like.
Quote from: blue66669 on July 30, 2010, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: Manwariel on July 30, 2010, 11:55:26 AM
(like the Twilight series. People say they like it, people disagree, and the ones who do act like they have personally been sliced to ribbons by the difference of opinion. It's not like they said they don't like you).
What... are you trying to say that you think sparkly vampires are lame?!?!? HOW DARE YOU COME HERE AND SAY THAT SORT OF THING ON A PUBLIC FORUM!!!!
*falls over laughing*
I gotta tell you, I'm normally pretty reserved, and don't care how people garb, but if I see a "sparkley vampire" at faire my wife and I will chase them around with stakes ;D
Quote from: Zardoz on July 31, 2010, 12:46:45 PM
I gotta tell you, I'm normally pretty reserved, and don't care how people garb, but if I see a "sparkley vampire" at faire my wife and I will chase them around with stakes ;D
Zardoz, couldn't we just tell Blade, and let The Daywalker take care of them?
First, my opion on this, and I am not try to be insulting to Doberman, and I hope he doesn't take offense to this section
Do you really want your chest or hat to look like a 5-star general's dress uniform with row after row of favors & pins & doodads?
I didn't understand the pins adn stuff at first on a piece of fabric or leather that didn't go with the rest of the garb. But I LEARNED what they were and how people came by these items. I look at them now with a little envy, all the great friends they have made, and experiences they have come through. In mocking them, perhaps you are showing your jelousy of those people. Just my opinion, remember I asked you not to be offended, so you can't be.
Is everything (and the kitchen sink) hanging offa your belt actually adding to the effect of your outfit, or is much of it there because the combination of "That looks sorta neat" and "I've still got 2 inches of bare leather on my belt" is too powerful for you to resist?
I have found the same for this as the pins and stuff. I don't have a brag rag (love that term) so I make up for it with the things on my belt. Not including weapons, I have two potion bottles, a drinking horn, a leather pouch, a flask and a chain maille pouch. All these things add to my character/persona.
It's a scientifically proven fact that there's a point where strapping as many weapons as possible onto your body stops being cool. That point is age 14.
I am one of these people, and the statement tells me that I am not cool, and that I am (thankfully) immature. Both of these qualify me to be insulted, as he could not know I would take being called immature as a compliment. I regularly carry a war hammer on my right hip, a bearded axe on my left, and a 4ft long hand-and-a-half sword across my back. Ever been to battle, regardless of the era? Ever had a weapon malfunction or fail? Sometimes in battle your life can depend on a backup weapon, and if I'm willing and able to carry it, more is better. My character (I hope) should seem to be a travelling warrior/hero type visiting a town or village on the way from AND on the way to an adventure or battle or other exciting experience of some kind, without the luxury of having a hovel to store my property in. They aren't making you tired, so why should you care what I carry? I will revisit this below.
Are you comfortable with having more ornaments hanging from your walking staff than most people have on their Christmas trees?
Again, same vein as the first two.
Should you perhaps either buy stock in the Acme Jangly Bell Company, or just consider paring back the one-woman bells-only symphony caused by your every movement?
I don't wear bells, so this doesn't insult me, but I can see that could insult those who would wear them. It would be hard to consider this question neutral, and I can't see it except being negative. Bells help me to know when to turn and look and admire a lovely fae when they approach. Usually. Sometimes its a masculine character of some kind, and I get to admire his courage.
Now, to address the tone of the origional post. It may have been meant to be funny, but by the resposes it garnered, it was not taken that way. See my response the the weapons question. He is telling me that I am not cool - I can take that at least as a put down, and he doesn't even know me to put me down. That I could almost forgive, although I would ask him to tell me the same thing in person, and guage my reaction. I said almost forgive, for when it was suggested that his post my have been insulting, a simple "sorry about that" would have been appropriate, and possibley some humility. Instead he took a belittling shot at Gem. Not just posting your opinion, or a loaded question, but dismissing her and nullifying her. If, in a face to face conversation, you had done that to my sister, my wife, or my daughter, we would be having words, and you would not enjoy it. I am not an elequent man when I am as angry as I am right now, and I don't come on these boards looking to get upset.
I consider many on these boards a huge extended family, and feel the need to both defend family member who are unfairly attacked, and correct those doing the attacking. You, sir need correcting.
I'm not telling you that your opinion is wrong, but you need to rest assured that the manner in which you delivered it needs, at minimum, polish. So much so that I too suspect a Troll. I notice that in 5 pages since the very first, not a third post from the one that so many have been responding to.
Kinda reminds me of You might be a Redneck jokes....
"You might be a redneck if you have ever taken a ride on a floor buffer" (fyi, 7 out of the 10 people watching the show RAISED THEIR HANDS at my house :) )
"You might be a Rennie if you see less than a yard of fabric and already have 16 ways you could use it in mind"
"... if you sound like you invested stock in the acme jingle company to keep up with your need for jingle jangles"
Quote from: robert of armstrong on August 01, 2010, 01:19:03 AM
First, my opion on this, and I am not try to be insulting to Doberman, and I hope he doesn't take offense to this section
Is everything (and the kitchen sink) hanging offa your belt actually adding to the effect of your outfit, or is much of it there because the combination of "That looks sorta neat" and "I've still got 2 inches of bare leather on my belt" is too powerful for you to resist?
I have found the same for this as the pins and stuff. I don't have a brag rag (love that term) so I make up for it with the things on my belt. Not including weapons, I have two potion bottles, a drinking horn, a leather pouch, a flask and a chain maille pouch. All these things add to my character/persona.
I love the too many weapons. Reminds me of Porthos from the 1993 Three Musketeers, played by Oliver Platt.
Quote from: Zardoz on July 31, 2010, 12:46:45 PM
Quote from: blue66669 on July 30, 2010, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: Manwariel on July 30, 2010, 11:55:26 AM
(like the Twilight series. People say they like it, people disagree, and the ones who do act like they have personally been sliced to ribbons by the difference of opinion. It's not like they said they don't like you).
What... are you trying to say that you think sparkly vampires are lame?!?!? HOW DARE YOU COME HERE AND SAY THAT SORT OF THING ON A PUBLIC FORUM!!!!
*falls over laughing*
I gotta tell you, I'm normally pretty reserved, and don't care how people garb, but if I see a "sparkley vampire" at faire my wife and I will chase them around with stakes ;D
There is actually a lot of scientific research done in that series. I'd be happy to explain the cellular structure that creates the diamond affect due to light refraction or you can crack open the series, read them, then crack open a biology book. Either way, it's very off topic and probably doesn't belong here.
Quote from: isabelladangelo on August 02, 2010, 08:21:02 AM
Quote from: Zardoz on July 31, 2010, 12:46:45 PM
Quote from: blue66669 on July 30, 2010, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: Manwariel on July 30, 2010, 11:55:26 AM
(like the Twilight series. People say they like it, people disagree, and the ones who do act like they have personally been sliced to ribbons by the difference of opinion. It's not like they said they don't like you).
What... are you trying to say that you think sparkly vampires are lame?!?!? HOW DARE YOU COME HERE AND SAY THAT SORT OF THING ON A PUBLIC FORUM!!!!
*falls over laughing*
I gotta tell you, I'm normally pretty reserved, and don't care how people garb, but if I see a "sparkley vampire" at faire my wife and I will chase them around with stakes ;D
There is actually a lot of scientific research done in that series. I'd be happy to explain the cellular structure that creates the diamond affect due to light refraction or you can crack open the series, read them, then crack open a biology book. Either way, it's very off topic and probably doesn't belong here.
I believe the underlying scientific principle is "SPARKLES ARE PRETTY!!!" LOL
Oh it totally belongs here. I mean, how awesome would it be for this lame weed puller thread to get hijacked by a discussion about Twilight???
Guess that leaves me out, since I'd have to actually watch the thing first... :P
Quote from: Rani Zemirah on August 02, 2010, 11:57:37 AM
Guess that leaves me out, since I'd have to actually watch the thing first... :P
You mean READ it first since the movies are crap compared to the books!
Quote from: Kate on August 02, 2010, 12:13:27 PM
Quote from: Rani Zemirah on August 02, 2010, 11:57:37 AM
Guess that leaves me out, since I'd have to actually watch the thing first... :P
You mean READ it first since the movies are crap compared to the books!
That's usually how it goes...
HIJACK!!!!!
Oh, well, I doubt I'll be reading it, either... :P heheh
Sorry, but sparkly, daywalking vampires are just a bit... well, just that partial sentence says it all, I think!
So you're saying that this is how Twilight should have ended?
http://blastr.com/assets_c/2009/08/HowTwilightShouldHaveEnded2-thumb-550x367-23227.jpg
:)
hah! thats hysterical ;D
Quote from: Valiss on August 02, 2010, 01:27:51 PM
So you're saying that this is how Twilight should have ended?
http://blastr.com/assets_c/2009/08/HowTwilightShouldHaveEnded2-thumb-550x367-23227.jpg
:)
HAHAHA! Blade garb would be perfect for Day of Wrong! :D
Oh, that's awesome!!! Nice 'shop job... :D
As an English Lit teacher I can say the books don't entirely suck. Well, the last one does... it should have just been a trilogy. They're super easy and quick reads. I read all four in about 2 weeks.
Alright ladies and gents....can we please get back on topic?
Or just drop the whole thing entirely....
Awwwww, but MOOOOOMMMM!!!!!
This is WAY better than all the kvetching from earlier LOL!
Oooook. I'll go back to my hidey hole in the TRF area. Later guys!
Quote from: blue66669 on July 28, 2010, 02:19:23 PM
Oh, if anyone snarked me in earshot, it would SO be on! A little blood on your gown is period, right?
Please tell me I'm not the only one that had Mead spew out of my nose when I read the above by blue66669...
As far as the OP... Some people, both poster & reader alike, just need to remember that you can not See a persons facial expression, much less hear the tone of voice thru text on a forum.
You wear what you want to wear and I'll wear what I wanna wear and we'll share an Egyptian Mead amongst all of the FUN that IS Faire.
Much love to all... Especially you Beautiful Ladies ;)
I still haven't figured out why this is such a naughty thread, yet the "what makes you need eye bleach" thread is OK. There are no cries of indignation and outrage in that thread....what's the difference?
Mead sounds like a good idea. As the wise philosopher Homer Simpson once said: "To Alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, most of life's problems!"
Quote from: Beaudan Tocks on August 03, 2010, 09:06:52 AM
Quote from: blue66669 on July 28, 2010, 02:19:23 PM
Oh, if anyone snarked me in earshot, it would SO be on! A little blood on your gown is period, right?
Please tell me I'm not the only one that had Mead spew out of my nose when I read this...
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You wear what you want to wear and I'll wear what I wanna wear and we'll share an Egyptian Mead amongst all of the FUN that IS Faire.
Mmmmm.... Mead!
Quote from: Drudonn on August 03, 2010, 09:14:06 AM
Mead sounds like a good idea. As the wise philosopher Homer Simpson once said: "To Alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, most of life's problems!"
To this I reply:
(http://www.crankshafted.com/upload/files/19/Woo%20Hoo%20Homer.jpg)
Quote from: Drudonn on August 03, 2010, 09:14:06 AM
I still haven't figured out why this is such a naughty thread, yet the "what makes you need eye bleach" thread is OK. There are no cries of indignation and outrage in that thread....what's the difference?
I think the difference is that the eye bleach thread is mainly about things people wear that would/should get them arrested.
I agree with what Lady Rosalind said. The eye bleach thread is just a bunch of observations of, "ok, that is (or should) be illegal" . ;D
The OP on this thread (whether intentional or not) leans more toward poking fun at other people's choices in garb; something I shy away from mostly because I hate hurting other people's feelings.
At this time I would just about bet my slice of strawberry cheesecake that Doberman didn't intend for his post to rile folks. He doesn't strike me as the Troll type.
Hmmm... possibly the reason why he hasn't even logged back in since a couple hours after that original post. It's very easy in text to have something that one person thinks is simply humorous observation mistaken for hurtful or malicious snarking, just as it is easy to hide vicious and mean-spirited jibes in a seemingly innocent remark, so only the author can really know what the intent is/was. There are many authors/columnists/comedians who make a very good living from causing people to laugh at others, and to assume that they are trying to hurt someone's feelings with it is ascribing to their words a great deal of power.
Someone I know once said... "I don't mind if you're laughing WITH me... as long as you're not laughing and pointing AT me!"