So I heard that Jim might be banning the hiring of workers with tattoos? Anyone know anything about this?
I just got a FRANTIC phone cal from one of my friends about this....
She said a bunch of people that were headed out to work at this faire are stuck .No Dreads. No unnatural hair color . No visibal tattoos . No unusual piercings. He says the locals aren't comming to the Faire because of these things.??? I wonder how they will like all of these former employees wandering about thier town jobless????I wonder if the Equal opp. Employment people have any thing to say about this???
I have not heard anything to this effect and there are several people on cast with unnatural hair color and pricings and tattoos. Rumors are that... they're not truths.
The place I work we can't have unnatural hair colors, and some of my friends who work at other places have had to take out earrings. We also have to have skirts below the ankle and can't have belly shirts. I haven't heard anything about tattoos.
Un-natural hair color must be covered by a hat or changed, non-period piercings must be taking out (Things like industrials and so on, you must have period style piercings and jewelry), however clear retainers are allowed. Nothing about tattoos.
The dread thing (I do not have dreads) I don't understand. AND yes this was said to some one I know personally who called the office today. A hat , You can make some one wear a hat, fine. Some people ARE infact Rasta and thier Locks are part of thier religion. They are not all just young kids who do it for thier 'style'
I have traveled for over 18 years all over the country doing Faires. I have been through REC take overs and new owners ect. Bo Purple except for the queen yadda yadda yadda But I feel that The Decree of what can and can't be was always given with enough time to do something about it (i.e. not finding out on your way there or once you arrived.) Months in Advance so that people can make the decision t go or find somewhere else to go ...
I love arbitrary rules like no non-natural hair colors. Natural to whom? Mandrills come in blue, I should get to as well.
No unusual piercings....unusual to whom? My grandfather nearly had a heart attack when I got my second hole in my ears.
On a side note, this is not new. The rules and regs from 2006 state that "management feels that abnormally dyed hair(such as pink, blue, orange, and other colors not found in nature) is unacceptable in the marketplace" and that "head coverings (hats, etc) will be MANDATORY during Festival hours and all facial piercings must be removed during Festival days. As well, tattoos must be covered." on page 3; also "No visual body piercing will be allowed except 1 pair of pierced earrings. All tatoos [sic] must be covered." and "No un-ordinary haircuts or hair colors are acceptable" on page 5.
So, it may be newly enforced, but this is not a new concept.
most of the other things are standard at MOST shows but inforced differently..
The dread thing (I do not have dreads) I don't understand. AND yes this was said to some one I know personally who called the office today. A hat , You can make some one wear a hat, fine. Some people ARE infact Rasta and thier Locks are part of thier religion. They are not all just young kids who do it for thier 'style'
Is what I don't get?
I just think it is annoying. I mean, I can understand like overly tattooed and such... but some of mine are appropriate to the period. they of course can be covered. but it makes me feel bad for people, that get here, or are on their way here, to find that they cannot work now.
I agree about it being a little bit annoying - I just got my nose pierced for my 20th birthday in March and have to get a clear retainer for it for work at CoRF - but totally understandable. A lot of jobs don't allow you to have any visible tattoos, facial piercings, or more than one or two piercings in each ear anyway, so yeah.
Yes, there were people with a lot of piercings and tattoos during the period we use at CoRF. However, they were extremely few and far between, so yeah...
Meh! I'll just deal!
I've been on the phone with some people who are talking about going to the media or attempting to get pro bono lawyers because of this.
Oh for Pete's sake! that is getting ridiculous!
This has the sounds of a romour so just chill until the PTB say something about it!
All of you can not be serious about this are you? I mean they are trying to portray a certain time period here and face it, unless you were very very foreign/exotic you did not have tattoos. There was no such thing really. Even though henna has been around since 400 BC it wasn't used during this time period in the society we re-inact. It was only really found in Africa, Asia and India.
I can understand people getting upset it is this close to the start of it and to find out so late in the game. But it has been in the handbook for years. Someone also said that they know of people on the cast with tats, piercing, and died hair. Well we are contracted to cover all of it up or take it out. I have tats 5 and an industrial. but I take it out and cover up the tats. We are required to wear hats just like everyone else.
But people can be serious about taking this to lawyers or something right? Dreds were not really around either unless you were a dirty pirate or gypsy.
The fact is that the fair has a right to enforce these rules and regulations. Its not discriminatory or otherwise. They have a business to run. And if you don't comply with the rules and regulations then they have the right to not employ you. Colorado is an at will employment.
We had to hide our tattoos last year, I don't think this is any change.
This is weird, I tried to go to a dred/tattoo festival dressed in ren garb and they kicked me out...
I have been told the same thing every year, but I have never had it enforced on me personally, and I've had higher ups stand right next to me with everything in plain sight. Of course, then again I'm not covered in tattoos or facial piercings, but I do have a tattoo that is visible in my garb, (Though not anymore now that my hair is longer) plus I have 12 ear piercings, 1 of which is rather unconventional. I think it's really not going to be any bigger of a deal than it ever has been in the past. Let the rumor mill spin until you hear it yourself from upper management. Until then, don't worry about it so much.
See until there is an offcial take on the news lets not get our bloomers in a twist!
So.....I just wrote and deleted a HUGE post on this. You all should thank me...it wasn't very nice.
Plain and simple...its been the rules forever....its probably not going to be a big deal, like always, Mr. Paradise isnt stupid, half the people he employs are people of this nature....and without them...im pretty sure he'd be in a bit of a bind this close to opening. so chill out. I too have been reprimanded on my tattoos showing....by Betty who was told by Mr. Paradise to tell me to cover it up.....and I still have a job folks. There's no need to stress. Unless you have tattoos top to tail, you should be able to reasonably cover them up. I have 4, Spinaka has 5, the Princess has 7...*shrug* not hard.
And lawyers......really? *shakes head in shame* if everyone did this about their jobs...there wouldnt be any room to put murderers and rapists on trial. Most mundane jobs wont allow facial piercings or visible tattoos...what makes Renaissance Festivals any different? Spinaka is right, tattoos and piercings werent even invented in the period we are portraying...so really, Mr Paradise has the right of things.
Anway....that's all I'll say before this turns into another long rant.
*steps off soap box*
I think I love you!! :-*
you just said every thing that I could not think of but wanted to
Quote from: Demetrius on June 03, 2008, 11:43:32 PM
This is weird, I tried to go to a dred/tattoo festival dressed in ren garb and they kicked me out...
I love you Demetrius! :-*
Like I said, i personally have blue and purple hair, an industrial and all I was told was that I needed to at least wear a hat and take out the non period piercing, in a nice and professional way might I add. Its not a ridiculous request people. The point of the festival is to recreate the England in the 16th century, and the fact is that the fair's "quality" has gone down hill fast. In fact my mother just told me how she remembered when I was young all of the boothies spoke in proper accent and practically none of them did last year. Frankly I am glad Paradise is getting things back together.
The fact of the matter is, the request laid out are not all that strict, and were asked in a pleasant and professional way. The fact that you are all blowing it out of proportion speaks to the maturity of the community here in my opinion. My point is, this is a business and a job, and just like you would never expect to be a manager with lime green hair and seventeen peircings on your face for some major company, I don't think it is much to ask that you wear a hat, cover your tats, and at least put retainers in your piercings. (As far as dreads, Im sure that this is just been tacked on too add to the ridiculousness, I havent heard anything to this)
/end rant
Quote from: DRenaissanceGuy on June 04, 2008, 02:30:40 AM
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The fact that you are all blowing it out of proportion speaks to the maturity of the community here in my opinion. \
Well, I don't think we're
all blowing it out of proportion- ;) as a matter of fact my hair is normal, and my hair is perfect... and my hair has nothing to do with my religion!! Samson and Delilah this is not. If I were going to blow this out of proportion I would go on and on about my hair, which, btw, did I mention is perfect. Atomic. I like renaissance hair!
Tanda has beautiful hair too.
"Your hair is beautiful, whoa oh tonight..." Blondie
The way I look at it companies in the service industry have the right to say no to tattoo's, odd hair color or even odd hair styles and even dress. If you work in a resturant you MUST follow the rules to have a job and work. It's because the place is catering towards the general public and that means business and profit.
Many years ago Wal-Mart had a policy of mens hair not being allowed below the coller. Woodward Govenor in Ft Collins had their own barber. Every man had to go into that barber at times to keep their hair to standards. They also had to keep facial hair in spec. Sometimes this standards have to do with safety, other times because as I said it comes down to customer service.
While personally all I want is someone who is polite, promote and CLEAN (No hair in my food) There are those people out there who WILL and DO refuse service based on appearance. While we as Americans think ourselves above discrimination on any matter, it happens every day. Trust me they do have the ability to do this with no repercusions as I checked on it for myself (Long story)
All I have to say is if you want the job, follow the rules.
And Demetrius, You do have fine hair, but what if you lost it all tomorrow? then you would be like Fuzzy Wuzzy!
Quote from: Lady_Delaney on June 04, 2008, 09:42:52 AM
And Demetrius, You do have fine hair, but what if you lost it all tomorrow? then you would be like Fuzzy Wuzzy!
If I were to lose my hair (and I won't) I would just go out and look for it (my name is written on each strand). ;D
Remi and DRenaissanceGuy are both right. This is nothing to get freaked out over, especially since nothing has actually changed. The fact that the company doesn't allow visible tattoos or extreme piercings shouldn't come as a surprise, nor should it be upsetting that you have to cover them or take them out. Any other job will do the same, but they'll be far more strict about it--my normal job is dead strict about their appearance guidelines. Why should ren faire be any different? There's no rule that says you get to wear whatever you want at ren faire--if you're a patron maybe, yeah. But it almost seems like rules on this sort of thing should be super strict at a place like faire, if we're trying to be as "period" as possible.
*sigh* I had to buy/make new garb last year.... cuz the vendor I was working for thought there would be issues with my tattoos.... and they aren't even that visible in garb.
This in no way affects me but I know that it does A LOT of other people so... if you really want to work at faire (and who wouldn't? :D) and they do decide to crack down on the rules I would say jut put in the little clear guys if you've got piercings (sure it may be a pain but worth it right?) and if you've got tattoos I've heard a lot of good things about this stuff
http://www.tattoo-me.com/concealer.htm (sorry I don't know how to do links)
It's made specifically to cover tattoosand it's supposed to be water proof. So sure you may have to take a few extra minutes to change piercings and dab on some concealer over your tattoos in the morinings but I think that would be a small price to pay if it meant that you could keep doing your job with out hassel. And I know it's cheaper than a lawyer!
So forgive me if I'm missing the point and the "it's not the actual job but the idea of equal oppertunity" angle but I guess I'm just more a lover than a fighter and this seems like an easy way to keep everyone happy. sorry for rambling
PEACE
Generally, it's not that big of an issue. From my experience with Paul, as long as I've had plain hoops in my cartilage piercings and not ridiculous jewelry on, I've had no problems with my piercings.
If you've got little tattoos that show somewhere on your garb, you can always get those big ol' knee band-aids to cover it up, if you can get away with it without looking like you just got attacked by a wild animal, hehehe. Generally, unless you have giant tattoos on your face, it's not that difficult to cover up a tattoo. Piercings are wayyyy easier because you can always just either stick a retainer in there, or a smaller piece of jewelry to make it look closer to period. Woot.
Wow, this topic is so serious.
Here it is, a week or so to go and I'm excited for faire, but I'm not too concerned about my legal rights to wear a purple Rockies baseball cap to work at a Renaissance Festival.
Are we really that worried about adorning ourselves with modernity at faire?? I wish that was all I had to worry about.
Actually, I just think it would be great if I could afford to bring my car with me.
It would probably help if I wasn't such a complete failure.
Hey now that's an idea. I will wear a Rockies insignia on my French hood. Av's insignia on my tudor dress, a Nike swatch on my skirt, and Motocross boots on my feet that say FOX on them.
Demetrious, your not a complete failure, just a partial one... Just kidding, your a sweet guy and not a failure at all.. You make us all laugh so how could that be a complete failure?
Quote from: Lady_Delaney on June 04, 2008, 03:56:21 PM
Hey now that's an idea. I will wear a Rockies insignia on my French dood. Avalanch insignia on my tudor dress, a Nike swatch on my skirt, and Motocross boots on my feet that say FOX on them.
Almost everything else has a corporate sponsor! :D
The knight a couple of years ago...he wore red and black...and of course for the life of me I cant remember his name....Sir Christian maybe? he had the motocross FOX label painted on his boots and shield. I thought it was funny.
And DRenaissanceguy......is that you Nicholas? if not...please disregard that completely absurd question. ::) ;D
Quote from: Lady_Delaney on June 04, 2008, 03:56:21 PM
Hey now that's an idea. I will wear a Rockies insignia on my French dood. Avalanch insignia on my tudor dress, a Nike swatch on my skirt, and Motocross boots on my feet that say FOX on them.
Demetrious, your not a complete failure, just a partial one... Just kidding, your a sweet guy and not a failure at all.. You make us all laugh so how could that be a complete failure?
Oh, thanks, partial? yes, at the very least- lol. I feel better knowing sports teams will be represented at faire. I will keep an eye out for your motocross boots.
Now I'm off to go paint myself purple! Are we still allowed to wear ren garb?
BTW, I thought a French dood was something like Charles de Gaulle...
Quote from: Demetrius on June 05, 2008, 09:31:10 AM
Quote from: Lady_Delaney on June 04, 2008, 03:56:21 PM
Hey now that's an idea. I will wear a Rockies insignia on my French dood. Avalanch insignia on my tudor dress, a Nike swatch on my skirt, and Motocross boots on my feet that say FOX on them.
Demetrious, your not a complete failure, just a partial one... Just kidding, your a sweet guy and not a failure at all.. You make us all laugh so how could that be a complete failure?
BTW, I thought a French dood was something like Charles de Gaulle...
Yes it is. I'm going to be wearing Charles de Gaulle on my head with a Rockies Jersey on. It will be an act most MAGNIFIC as maybe a French dood would say...
What? French guys? Zoë's in on that! Point me in ze right direcksion! :D
Quote from: Lady Remi on June 04, 2008, 11:31:09 PM
The night a couple of years ago...he wore red and black...and of course for the life of me I cant remember his name....Sir Christian maybe? he had the motocross FOX label painted on his boots and shield. I thought it was funny.
And DRenaissanceguy......is that you Nicholas? if not...please disregard that completely absurd question. ::) ;D
Of course its me, your dearest husband. Silly lady.
Quote from: DRenaissanceGuy on June 05, 2008, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: Lady Remi on June 04, 2008, 11:31:09 PM
The night a couple of years ago...he wore red and black...and of course for the life of me I cant remember his name....Sir Christian maybe? he had the motocross FOX label painted on his boots and shield. I thought it was funny.
And DRenaissanceguy......is that you Nicholas? if not...please disregard that completely absurd question. ::) ;D
Of course its me, your dearest husband. Silly lady.
LOL i knew it was you when you talked about blue and purple hair and your piercings LOL Glad to see a friend on here as well. See you both on Saturday !!!
Yeah it didnt click for me until the hair and piercing comment either. Wierd. I dont really look at people's names on here tho. Lol.
So spin, we're doing poems this weekend during the gate show right? because, well....we wont be doing anything. or, are you a part of it? I cant remember
Anyway, the question was, should I bring some poetry with me to copy?
xoxo
Quote from: violetdprey on June 03, 2008, 02:22:46 PM
So I heard that Jim might be banning the hiring of workers with tattoos? Anyone know anything about this?
Last year, Paul yelled at me (well, Paul never liked me and seemed to yell for any occasion possible) because you could SLIGHTLY see the top of the tat on my back. My hair was usually down, so you couldn't, except on VERY HOT DAYS.
I never really cared.
Well, it seems I somehow missed quite the crazy thread. Whew...
Well let's see... it seems that everyone here is basically on the same page in the end. That being: though sometimes it can be annoying, these rules are perfectly legit, and even make good sense when being enforced at a renaissance festival.
Here are my only criticisms.
Firstly, a "clean-shaven" policy has apparently been put into effect (at least for cast), for those without pre-approved facial hair for their character. Well alright, if you were a noble bent on fashion, etc, you'd probably be clean shaven, but a lot of people wouldn't be. Myself, I have pre-approved facial hair, so I guess it doesn't matter so much to me, but I know it will to others. I just thought this one was a wee bit strict really. Still though, nothing to go hiring a lawyer over. There are lots of jobs with stricter, less forgiving policies.
Secondly, the dreads thing. From what I understand this is real, not imagined, but then I could be wrong. All I know is that I've already caught flack from several rennies about my dreads, and they aren't even real! Apparently I have been made into a "symbol of hypocracy" by being allowed (nay, required) to wear my dreadlock wig. It does seem odd to promote a dreadlocked character so heavily while banning them elsewhere.
Finally, and this is slightly off-topic but still basically relates, I hear there's essentially an "anti-pirate" movement going on. Gate workers, etc. are apparently no longer allowed to dress as pirates. Again, this sort of makes me public enemy #1. I am not only a pirate, and I'm not only dreadlocked, but I am in fact a dreadlocked pirate. Funny thing is, I've personally believed that there were too many pirates at our faire for a while - though I certainly have no right to talk here - but making an official "rule" against them seems drastic, and also makes me look to some like a pompous, over-privelaged, twit (though I guess there is something of an argument for that ;)).
Now don't get me wrong. I'm not flipping out over any of these things, and I recognize that the Faire has every right to impose such rules. Some may be a mite abnoxious at times, but that's life really. I just hope the rennies don't try to burn my tent down....
Quote from: CapnJack on June 12, 2008, 03:48:01 AM
I just hope the rennies don't try to burn my tent down....
Only if it is full of rum and we have to burn it down to signal a ship to rescue us.
Quote from: CapnJack on June 12, 2008, 03:48:01 AM
Firstly, a "clean-shaven" policy
Secondly, the dreadlock wig
Finally, an "anti-pirate" movement
It sure seems like their trying to turn this place in to Disney World
Quote from: pirate_zoe on June 05, 2008, 10:17:50 AM
What? French guys? Zoë's in on that! Point me in ze right direcksion! :D
I brought you a French guy all the way back from Paris.... and what did you do with him. You let Festmum have him................. You wasted a good French import.
Quote from: Mistress Charlotte on June 12, 2008, 10:44:31 AM
Quote from: pirate_zoe on June 05, 2008, 10:17:50 AM
What? French guys? Zoë's in on that! Point me in ze right direcksion! :D
I brought you a French guy all the way back from Paris.... and what did you do with him. You let Festmum have him................. You wasted a good French import.
Apparently I missed this part! ;)
As for the anti-pirate thing...I have some things to say about that but it would probably not go over well here, plus I am running on a limited amount of brain cells at the moment and it may not make sense in any case. It just seems damn stupid to me.
Quote from: pirate_zoe on June 12, 2008, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: Mistress Charlotte on June 12, 2008, 10:44:31 AM
Quote from: pirate_zoe on June 05, 2008, 10:17:50 AM
What? French guys? Zoë's in on that! Point me in ze right direcksion! :D
I brought you a French guy all the way back from Paris.... and what did you do with him. You let Festmum have him................. You wasted a good French import.
Apparently I missed this part! ;)
As for the anti-pirate thing...I have some things to say about that but it would probably not go over well here, plus I am running on a limited amount of brain cells at the moment and it may not make sense in any case. It just seems damn stupid to me.
At the Romancetters Valentines party 2 years ago??? You must have been to far gone with mead or you would definately have remembered....I bet Festmum remembers!...........She swooped in, stole him away and hid behind the curtains all night. :D
Last year we got a memo about no nail polish, as well as no glitter/bellyshirts/shorter skirts/etc unless your job was specifically to play a gypsie.
No glitter? I don't remember that.... I remember covering myself in glitter :D and then covering you, and Dani, and pretty much everyone... even CaptnJack :P sorry if it was hard to wash off!
Quote from: Mistress Charlotte on June 12, 2008, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: pirate_zoe on June 12, 2008, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: Mistress Charlotte on June 12, 2008, 10:44:31 AM
Quote from: pirate_zoe on June 05, 2008, 10:17:50 AM
What? French guys? Zoë's in on that! Point me in ze right direcksion! :D
I brought you a French guy all the way back from Paris.... and what did you do with him. You let Festmum have him................. You wasted a good French import.
Apparently I missed this part! ;)
As for the anti-pirate thing...I have some things to say about that but it would probably not go over well here, plus I am running on a limited amount of brain cells at the moment and it may not make sense in any case. It just seems damn stupid to me.
At the Romancetters Valentines party 2 years ago??? You must have been to far gone with mead or you would definately have remembered....I bet Festmum remembers!...........She swooped in, stole him away and hid behind the curtains all night. :D
Goodness me. I must have been under the table by then.
And as for glitter....never been a problem in my booth! Haha.
Quote from: Ginger on June 13, 2008, 07:41:57 PM
No glitter? I don't remember that.... I remember covering myself in glitter :D and then covering you, and Dani, and pretty much everyone... even CaptnJack :P sorry if it was hard to wash off!
I'm fairly certain that I meant like...glittery costumes. And stuff.
Like sequins.
Quote from: Nicolyse on June 16, 2008, 07:22:19 PM
Quote from: Ginger on June 13, 2008, 07:41:57 PM
No glitter? I don't remember that.... I remember covering myself in glitter :D and then covering you, and Dani, and pretty much everyone... even CaptnJack :P sorry if it was hard to wash off!
I'm fairly certain that I meant like...glittery costumes. And stuff.
Like sequins.
Aww so I can't wear my metallic corset with the sequins, how disappointing ;)
Quote from: CapnJack on June 12, 2008, 03:48:01 AM
Secondly, the dreads thing. From what I understand this is real, not imagined, but then I could be wrong. All I know is that I've already caught flack from several rennies about my dreads, and they aren't even real! Apparently I have been made into a "symbol of hypocracy" by being allowed (nay, required) to wear my dreadlock wig.
Finally, and this is slightly off-topic but still basically relates, I hear there's essentially an "anti-pirate" movement going on. Gate workers, etc. are apparently no longer allowed to dress as pirates. Again, this sort of makes me public enemy #1. I am not only a pirate, and I'm not only dreadlocked, but I am in fact a dreadlocked pirate.
You are not a symbol of hypocracy- you are not 'just any character.' If you were just any character, you'd be able to go more than five feet without being mugged for a photo. Would you wear the dreads if Mr. Depp had not?
A note about pirates- a pirate stole off wid me mum and forced me to dress up as a hamster, so don go tellin' me 'bout happy pirates this and oh we're so friendly that...
Hi Ginger!
Quote from: Demetrius on June 17, 2008, 01:40:22 AM
A note about pirates- a pirate stole off wid me mum and forced me to dress up as a hamster, so don go tellin' me 'bout happy pirates this and oh we're so friendly that...
Oh, yeah. Sorry about that. Sometimes the crew gets a little wild. I hope you don't hold it against them.