Prepare to buy a FOF pass for every family member over 12 or pay 32 bucks a weekend per person.... those are your only options. Scarby had done away with the Adult season pass.
QuoteScarborough 2011 Tickets Go Sale on November 15!
Just in time for the Holidays, tickets for the 31st annual Scarborough Renaissance Festival will be available on line at SRFestival.com. These advance tickets represent the best value offered for the 2011 Festival.
We will be making some changes to our ticket program this year. After years of declining Season Pass sales, the Board of Scarborough Renaissance Festival is eliminating the Adult Season Pass for 2011. A new Discount Weekend Pass will be available only at the gate in 2011. For those of you that are frequent attendees, the Festival is retaining both the Friend of the Faire memberships and Child's Season Passes.
"For 18 years we have been the only major Texas renaissance festival to offer any type of Season Pass, and demand for our regular Season Pass has dropped significantly. The introduction of the Discount Weekend Pass and our retention of the Friend of the Faire memberships and Child's Season Pass at 2010 prices continue to offer tremendous value for our guests". - Coy Sevier, General Manager"
More details about the new tickets will be forthcoming in future newsletters.
We are already deep into the plans for the 2011 Scarborough Renaissance Festival and there are a few things that we want to pass along.
- The Crown Stage is being completely rebuilt and it looks amazing.
- .Don Juan and Miguel will alternate shows on the Crown Stage with weekly visiting headline acts.(More about that in the future.)
- Adam Crack and his Firewhip show will be back this year.
- And, of course, as the headline says, tickets go on sale on November 15.
As always, comments and suggestions are welcome. You may email marketing @SRFestival.com, or drop us a note at PO Box 538, Waxahachie, TX 75168 Attn: Marketing.
FN sucks. My wife and I get season passes every year. Being in Houston I could never justify the FOF pass. Hotel, gas, food. The Season pass rocked it allowed us a little more cash to visit more that 1 or 2 weekends.
Win one for the lawyers.
I don't quite understand what difference it makes how many season passes they sell, as long as they are selling some. Nimue and I have been buying FoF passes for the past several years (I'm not sure when they started them) even though some years it's only a single trip down from central Arkansas. We always have another couple with us and the comps cover them, as long as we do one of the first couple of weekends. So that offsets the cost of the FoF passes somewhat.
There seems to have been rather significant ticket price changes in the past few years though. That may be what's killing the season pass sales. I think the first time I bought FoF they were only $60...could be wrong. When traveling later in the season, we would get a block of group tickets, but they closed the gap on that a couple years back as well.
I won't say that Scarby is cheap, but so far, it hasn't disappointed us. I hope that holds.
Yeah, this makes no sense to me unless they are trying to recoup the cost of their new photo-pass equipment all at once instead of amortizing it.
We have been buying FOF for years just because of the water and convenient parking, but I think doing away with adult season passes will discourage a lot of people who might otherwise come out more than one or two weekends. I know the economy probably knocked out a lot of marginal pass buyers, but this isn't going to make sales any better if people had already budgeted based on buying a pass.
I would really like to see how the Royal Guard and the Queen's Own are going to deal with this. I know quite a few of them were season pass buyers.
I think the original letter must have read more like this ;D
Due to the recent price increase in FoF tickets, and the unrelated issue of families buying 1 FoF ticket with 1 Season Pass, we will be no longer selling the Season Pass. Families are more than welcome to buy each adult a FoF pass however...
I guess it's all relative. For those close by, it's a significant increase in cost. For folks such as us with a long travel, it's the least significant cost item of the trip. The difference between season ticket and FoF is less than the cost of the gas to get there. But I'm not trying to minimize the impact it has on you, believe me! We came down twice for faire in 2010, plus once for FoF preview.
It would seem to me that Scarborough would be trying to maximize their fan-base, not driving any of them them away, which this might do. Any Scarborough administrators here that might could help us understand?
So the kids stay at 20. That's a pretty good deal. And if you want to go very day and buy the early FOF at 115, that's about 7 bucks a day. If you go once every weekend, it's 14 bucks. That's not considering the parking and other stuff.
If you go 4 times a year, that's 2 weekend passes, or $64, about what a season pass was. It's not great, but at least we don't have to buy 17 tickets if we go more often. If it was a money deal, wouldn't they offer more than 2000 FOF?
Quote from: cyberrennie on November 08, 2010, 05:20:05 PM
So the kids stay at 20. That's a pretty good deal. And if you want to go very day and buy the early FOF at 115, that's about 7 bucks a day. If you go once every weekend, it's 14 bucks. That's not considering the parking and other stuff.
If you go 4 times a year, that's 2 weekend passes, or $64, about what a season pass was. It's not great, but at least we don't have to buy 17 tickets if we go more often. If it was a money deal, wouldn't they offer more than 2000 FOF?
Well you need to take your math and multiply it by every member of the family that attends regularly that is over 12. That cost will add up quickly. What was the old Adult pass? Around $70. Assuming you do pre-order at $115, that's $45 extra. For a couple, $230, that's $90 more out of pocket, family of three, $345, that's $135 more out of pocket, family of four, $460 - $180 more out of pocket. Yeah if you spread it out over all the weekends you can make it sound better per day per person... but Scarby doesn't do installment plans. You have to pay it all up front. Would you rather pay $460 for 4 FOF passes or $280 for 4 season passes.
Second my girlfriend does come only around 4 times a year...
however it's only on Saturdays so the new weekend pass is worthless. Instead of buying her the usual Adult pass for $70, it's either a $115 FOF pass which would be $28.74/visit... or pay daily at $22-24/visit... With the Adult pass it was 17.50/visit. It may not sound like much - but multiply that by all the other people in the same situation and that's a lot of extra $$$ in Scarby's pocket.
As far as the 2000 limit - I honestly don't think they ever came close to that number. And if it were to ever exceed I would wager they would gladly would bump the limit and take your money.
Yes Scarby is a business and obviously Scarby is targeting the single weekenders for the big income. Just the folks that come out once or twice a year, eat and drink until they explode, and shell out money left and right for the kids. But for us playtrons I think they are just trying to get as much off of us as possible since they know we are frugal out there. And we have to be in order to afford to be out there every weekend along with gas, garb, and other cost. And as I said yes they are a business, but personally I think this is a slap in the playtrons faces. Scarby has a fantastic cast but it's the playtrons that fill the faire with colorful characters. Imagine what a weekend out there would look like if not a single playtron showed up. No Royal Guard, no Scottish Guard, no Musketeers, no Pirate Crews. I can tell you that would be one short parade.
Well there's my 2 cents - take it as you please.
A couple of years back, when I emailed a protest about the 80% or whatever increase it was that first year that FOF were over $100/person, the response I received was:
You can be PART OF THE MAGIC by purchasing a FOF, or you can choose the regular season pass and NOT be part of the magic.
I think that Management has lost sight of the fact that indeed, ALL OF US who are out there regularly, on multiple weekends, often every single day of the run, are indeed part of the magic for the people who either 1. are mundanes who come out once a year, or 2. visit from other festivals because they've heard wonderful things about our Faire, AND not only do we not expect to be paid for adding to the magic, we actually PAY THEM TO DO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
I'm not impressed with the folks that run this faire. I've been talking with a few vendors at TRF who also do Scarborough. Or I should say USED to do Scarborough. Several vendors feel they're being forced out because of the way they're being treated. One of these vendors is an anchor and has been there since Scarborough opened.
Forcing veteran vendors out and now forcing FoF passes down loyal customers throats? ??? Not good business.
Me thinks I'll take my business to Sherwood instead. I've been hearing nice things about those folks.
A petition has been started. I have no idea how much good it will do, if any at all, but it does at least present a unified response location for anyone who wants to sign it.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/scarborough_seasons_tickets/
I really don't want to lay blame at anyone's feet without hearing both sides. Let's face it, these are tough times for a LOT of people, and everyone has to cover their own arses. The wisdom of how you cover it is the question here. We're too far away to be there every weekend like some of you, so we don't see everything that goes on. In all the years we've been coming though, I can't lodge any complaints about the management. Questions have always been answered promptly, when they came up, and we've just not had any real issues.
In the past couple of years, we have heard some mutterings and grumblings. One long-time act was upset because of a reduced faire schedule, and one vendor we talked to left us with the impression that they preferred TRF. This same vendor had told us years ago that they were going to stop doing TRF because of problems there. They are, in fact, still (back?) at TRF. So, wherever you go, there you are.
I would hate to see anything happen to Scarby. It's the closest major faire to us, and traveling 8 hours each way to other faires is probably not going to happen very often. I'm sure the Scarby cast members on this forum are having to bite their tongue to keep from saying anything, pro or con. Totally understandable. If there are any management people here, can you give us some insight?
We got the email a couple days ago and my wife wrote in but hasn't heard answer back yet.
We fall into the 1 FoF and 1 adult category but we don't need 2 10% discounts (unless they let us add them together), 2 parking passes or the two extra free tickets.
Drac
I consider this a real shame. I can fully accept the business is business line, truly I can in this crappy economy we have. But I think back to our first regular season pass and can tell you that if it were not a option at the time, we may not have kept coming back that first year. Which lead to our FOF passes. Now that we've dragged our prodigal daughter into the mix, I really would not be planning an FOF pass for her, but an adult season pass would have been a slam-dunk. In her case, Scarby probably would have made out a bit more with some scattered attendance but I would know I wouldn't have to run to the gate to buy tickets in the morning. No way I'm going for a 3rd FOF pass. I'm kind of with Drac on this - 2 FOF passes is me supporting my local Faire but I really don't need 2 (let alone 3!), just 1.
Makes me sad. I will adapt as necessary but I can still be sad. I can't believe they had so few adult season passes that it's completely un-worthwhile to them.
I'm trying to be pragmatic here, maybe some devil's advocacy, and I'll likely stir up a $hite$torm...I'm not sure that in the grand scheme of things the difference in the price between season pass and FoF is worth the anger. We all resist price increases, yeah, I'm hearing that, but for someone who is going every day of the faire, it's the cost of an extra beer a week; if you only make half of the open days, it'll cost you a beer a day. For those not willing to buy an extra beer, insert some other item...
I've been told that the SAPA folks are pretty much just volunteers, and about all of the perks they get is admission. Some, if not most, of them pay for their own garb. That pretty much takes any complaint about cost increases out of my mouth. I'm also less affected by the price increase. We buy a pair of FoF each year anyway. Since we live 400 miles away, we can only do one or two weekends a year. We prefer the cooler weekends at the beginning of faire, and a couple of folks that come with us use the comp tickets. This past year, we were there for closing weekend. It was so hot, we practically lived at the FoF pavilions. In our case, we made the FoF pay off.
I'm not trying to start an argument here. Just offering a view from another angle.
I'm not angry just disappointed.
If they had said "Due to the economy we find it necessary to increase ticket prices." I probably would have been a little bothered but not by much since many things are now increasing in price. Just a fact of life. So many things have been at a level price for so long. Even things that aren't are increasing. Again, a fact of life. Things change, things need repairing, things need upgrading.
It's the way they increased the prices that make a difference here. A pass is a pass is a pass. Whether they sell season passes or FoF passes we are still buying a pass. We are saying that we will be there. Last year my wife and I barely broke even on the passes vs buying tickets. That's not counting food and fun costs. I can't see where the season pass innately costs them more money than a FoF so a slight increase of both would have been more up front to me.
Drac
In my humble opinion, they just alienated a whole sect of us playtrons with this move, and I dont think It bodes well for the future of the faire, as I have already seen a post on the Highlanders group saying that the person is going to have to forego coming to Scarby this season. I will be buying 2 FOF passes this year, instead of one fof and one adult pass for my mate, so figure that I am going to be making more trips to the parking lot for food and refreshments than last year, I am not rich and this just puts more pressure on me to come up with $230 as soon as the FOFs go on sale so im sure to get my passes, not a good feeling.
anyhow thats just my 2 cents worth, I will be buying 2FOF passes this season, but I will be doing so UNDER PROTEST (already hit the petition).
hope this doesnt cause me not to see any of you guys an girls out there, but I will understand if it does...
JMG
Scarborough's facebook page has a lot of the same commentary. People who were used to buying 1 FOF pass and multiple season passes are saying they probably can't afford to buy multiple FOF passes.
Does anyone know what the cutoff age is for the children's season pass?
Cutoff for the "child" pass is 12 years old.
My wife and I were talking. We came to the conclusion that the fair owners are trying to make the extra money on the playtrons rather than raise the ticket prices. They know most of us will grumble but still we will for the most buy the tickets vs the one weekenders are likely to pass if the prices get high.
So the loyal clients, the ones who provide steady income, the ones who provide entertainment in our own way (I march with Highlanders) are the ones penalized. I guess I understand the logic but I feel, as has been noted, that this may end up being a downward spiral.
Drac
The weekend passes are actually a great idea for Scarby. Most other faires already do them and it's great for the out of towners that will make only one or two trips during the season.... however, for Scarby to advertise them as a viable alternative to the old season pass is bs.
Quote from: Nicolas-Antoine on November 12, 2010, 10:17:21 AM
The weekend passes are actually a great idea for Scarby. Most other faires already do them and it's great for the out of towners that will make only one or two trips during the season.... however, for Scarby to advertise them as a viable alternative to the old season pass is bs.
I am very happy for these people. It's a great option. I just may have never noticed it as much at the other fair I go/went to but Scarby does seem to get a lot of weekend visitors.
Jim
Greetings - I am new on here but felt compelled to comment on the subject.
My family, for the past several years, has purchased 1 FOF pass and 4 regular passes. We used to buy 2 FOFs but when the price on them went up, we couldn't justify the extra expense. We make sacrifices in other areas to be able to afford the passes as it is because it's so important to us to be out there every weekend - it's what we look forward to all year.
The increase in cost for us this year would be $240 for the 4 extra FOF passes - this is if we buy early and get the reduced price. I spent some time crunching numbers and figured we can manage it if we buy little or no food and do not make any purchases in the shops. I've heard a number of people saying pretty much the same thing and it will be interesting to see if the Faire end up making more or less of a profit.
I'm kind of wondering if this is about profit, or more about cutting down on the number of playtrons. That doesn't make sense, really, but I've seen a few other things happen that don't make sense.
We already had an added expense because our oldest is no longer a 'child'. I just hope they don't totally do away with the childs season pass. The cost of FOF passes for all of us would definitely be prohibitive at this time, although I know we're only a few years away from everyone needing one.
The thing I hate about the doing away with the regular season pass is that for us it was a 'stepping stone' to FOF. We went a few times just buying day tickets & then decided we wanted to go enough to justify a regular season pass. A few more years & we decided we wanted to go the 'extra mile' & get a FOF pass. I don't know that we would have gone to FOF if not for the stairstep of the regular pass. I think not as it would have seemed like too big of a leap.
Excuse me if I seem a little dense on the issue, but if you're going so frequently that you need a season pass to make it affordable, the cost per visit is minimal, isn't it? I mean, as I stated in an earlier post, if you go every weekend, it's costing you a beer a week.
You're going to get mad at me for saying this, but I have to say it... if the price difference is breaking it for you—the cost difference between season passes and FoF passes—, you aren't providing the faire with a whole lot of revenue to start with. I don't say that to be mean, and I don't work for Scarby. But I can see the point from a business perspective. Look at it this way: if 100 people who buy $60 passes aren't spending any more than $4 a day for every day of the faire's run (more than the difference of the cost of the passes), what impact is that going to have if they don't come? It only amounts to a bit under $13,000 in revenue.
You have got to accept the reality of things. Times are tough, and economically, a business can handle it one of two ways: it can lower prices and get more customers, which raises costs by requiring more support staff; or raise prices and get fewer customers, who presumably would have more money to start with. I told you that you'd get mad at me.
I've noticed the increasing prices in the past few years, grumbled, and went on with it. If it gets to a point where the fun isn't worth it anymore, then we won't go. I don't see it happening soon.
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on November 11, 2010, 05:22:24 AMSome, if not most, of them pay for their own garb.
Yes sir, we
ALL have to make and pay for our own costumes, including cleaning, upkeep, and repairs.
While I'm not angry at you I will say that I feel insulted.
I know that we are hardly the gravy for the fair. The people who come out once or maybe twice in the season are the major money makers. They are the ones who pay full price, who at themselves sick on fair food, and are the ones who do all the games. We are the ones who rarely play games, quite often eat at our car (or at least eat less) and look for discount tickets. As I said before I also understand that if they raise the prices of the 1 day passes that they will lose those customers.
With that let me say an attitude of "Since you don't spend enough money you aren't worth our time" is not a good business practice. Taking an attitude of "Since I know you'll shell out the money no matter what I do" is not a good practice. We may not be thier big money makers but we are still customers, whether we are FoF or season passes.
I also feel sad. They are seeming (this would be easier if they would say something) to apply a coorporate model to fun and you see a lot of companies that do also fail.
Wile they are by no means required to answer to us, their customers, they have setup enviorment with their newsletter of we are suppose to be more than a paycheck.
Drac
Let the management know how you feel
www.srfestival.com/contact-us (http://www.srfestival.com/contact-us)
My wife has, first by responding to the email which came back "unknown user."
She has also used the above conact email and has no response or even an acknowledgement.
Drac
This has been an interesting thread to follow. We're seeing the pricing issue from various sides.
As a faire goer, I've never been able to do a season pass due to my own particular circumstances, although I have family that has in the past at TRF because of location. Had they been closer, it would have been Scarby.
Both faires have grown incredibly large in just the 13 years since I've been attending. As with any business, their target market changes and so they adjust their pricing and business model as necessary to make a profit and satisfy the customer they find most profitable.
I know many Playtrons (or whatever term is preferred) get invested, emotionally and financially, in a specific faire as their "home faire". Yes, I believe that Playtron investment in many ways "grows" faires. As faires grow, they accommodate a more homogenized market. It's just the nature of the growth of business.
Unfortunately for us, faires must be run as businesses in order to exist, making it mandatory that they evolve over time into something that may not meet our needs. It is not personal.
Deciding where to spend our money - now, that is personal.
Luckily for us, new faires pop up for us to explore. Some will be tiny and die quickly. Others will become competition for the big faires. Personally, Sherwood calls to my faire soul.
Just my opinion,
Polly PoPo
Quote from: Drac on November 16, 2010, 08:09:14 AM
My wife has, first by responding to the email which came back "unknown user."
She has also used the above conact email and has no response or even an acknowledgement.
Drac
I believe that Orvis has been on vacation for the last week or so. Since the office JUST finished the Screams season, many of the folks there take some time off right after it finishes, just as they do once Faire finishes. Everyone gets vacation time, and they can't take it during the four months of faire (yeah, four months for those who work it) or the two months of Screams (again, two months for those who work it).
Quote from: PollyPoPo on November 16, 2010, 08:43:51 AMDeciding where to spend our money - now, that is personal.
Luckily for us, new faires pop up for us to explore. Some will be tiny and die quickly. Others will become competition for the big faires.
I really don't want to stir one fair against another nor anymore than I want playtron and workers, or vendors against entertainers. Each one has issues that they could tell the others how bad they have it and just suck it up. Once that sort of fighting happens might as well not even bother going.
Quote from: lys1022 on November 16, 2010, 10:57:34 AMI believe that Orvis has been on vacation for the last week or so. Since the office JUST finished the Screams season, many of the folks there take some time off right after it finishes, just as they do once Faire finishes. Everyone gets vacation time, and they can't take it during the four months of faire (yeah, four months for those who work it) or the two months of Screams (again, two months for those who work it).
That I can understand. We'll give them some time to respond.
I just wanted some avenue to see if I can get a response and maybe have a reasonable discussion. Of course being human we will always have a certain amount of gripping but I had hoped that maybe the management would use this as a forum to cool things off.
Drac
I just spotted this thread and am going to jump in. I think we all see the business side of things. There is the bottom line. But, as in any "service" industry the business is all about the people. Word of mouth advertising and a loyal customer or fan base is vital to the bottom line. Hopefully, Scarby's Board has thought long and hard about how this will affect folks. My wife and I have done 1 FOF pass and 1 Season pass for years and years. I agree with Drac in that I think that the unseen print says that this is a way to force those of us who have been doing this to buy 2 (or more) FOF passes, which we will...for now. We have attended Scarby because we have always felt like "part" of the story, part of the show and part of the fun. We have, for the most part, felt appreciated. The huge increase in FOF passes a few years back was a blow to us. Still, just having to buy one was worth it for the parking and gatorade/water and shady spots to rest and meet friends. This is another blow, and no doubt directly aimed at situations like ours. This year, we will purchase our FOF passes in advance and hopefully still feel like part of the festival. But, if changes continue and Scarby becomes the "big theme park" that forgets why she is successful then Oklahoma Renaissance Faire is a wonderful Faire right up the road, one we try to attend at least once a year. We can fill April up with Four Winds, Norman, and other small Faires, then attend OKRF in May. There ARE other choices. Just please, you folks at Scarby don't make us choose. Keep our favorite acts (don't understand the "alternating" Don Juan and Miguel, or why Hey Nunnie Nunnie was there only once in 2010), keep us part of the fun and don't look at us as a cash cow. If you take our renfest.com folks and other loyal folks out of the village of Scarborough, you have a theme park with no heart. And again, no need to preach about the business end. I am a Manager with extensive education in business, marketing and HR. People matter...if you remember that, you will remain successful. Here's to a wonderful 2011 season and to remembering that we are all in this terrible economy together!
I certainly wasn't intending to insult anyone, Drac. I know price increases aren't fun, especially these days! What I was attempting to do was to put things into perspective, and maybe ended up being a bit more pragmatic than anyone likes. Scarborough, and just about every other faire, are businesses—first and foremost. Just because we love to go doesn't change that basic fact.
Personally, I don't see what could be so costly about keeping season passes around, but not being part of the Scarby administration, I don't know what the particulars are. There may be something that none of us is aware of, though it seems unlikely.
While we're worrying about how expensive our fun is, we're not considering what the cast is dealing with. As our good King Henry posted, they're all paying for their own costuming. That totally blows me away. I've also been told by another source that most aren't even paid to be there. All I have to say is, they must really enjoy what they are doing if they pay to work.
The best thing to do is make your displeasure known to the management. Maybe they will reconsider, maybe not.
Here is something to ponder.
I've actually done the math. Drinking only 2 drinks per day - and we all know we need much more than 2 - it's $5 per day times 17 days is $85. Subtract that from your FoF pass of $135 and you're only paying $50 to attend Faire. When you factor more than 2 drinks per day as we should, your attendance could easily be free in the end. That's why I've always gone with the FoF instead of the season pass. We're all talking about finances, so here's the simple money laid out for you. It really is cheaper to get a FoF than the season pass anyway. We don't tend to think of those things when we have to write the big check for the ticket up front, but I'd rather suck it up in the beginning and spend my money shopping for fun stuff instead of expensive bottles of soda and water.
Plus if you buy early the FOF pass is $115.00 you save another $20.00 making the cost as low as $30.00 to attend fair. Just sayin.
Here's something else to ponder...
Gator-aide and other mixed electrolyte drinks make me wretch. Not worth it to pay $5 a day to have the privelege of that.
Now if they served soda/tea or lemonade... might be worth it to me.
Our break even point for tickets is going to be attending about half of the days... that's with some mix of FOF and regular tickets. We do have other things to do/shows and events to see, many of which we have neglected for years. This may be a good year for a break from 100% Scarby, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Stalk well...
Quote from: Stalkwell on November 16, 2010, 05:19:16 PM
Gator-aide and other mixed electrolyte drinks make me wretch. Not worth it to pay $5 a day to have the privelege of that.
I will chime in on that. Gator-aide is not my favorite drink either. But free ice water all day long when its 100 degrees outside in late May is worth the FOF pass right there. Granted most vendors will give you ice if you ask, but the convenience is well worth it in my book.
I pretty much agree with Merlin on several fronts. I'm really surprised there just wasn't an increase in price on the regular season pass. If it were increased to be within shooting distance (so to speak) of the FOF pass, then I think a lot of people might just jump to the FOF pass.
On the other hand, as I learned this year TRF doesn't have season passes, they just have ticket packs where you buy 17 tickets in a bundle, which if you went every day is a season pass and gives you a discount. It actually gives you a little more flexibility to bring friends here and there and then miss a day but still use all your tickets. Not a bad arrangement if people understand it. And TRF had me very confused till someone pointed it out to me. However, Scarby's "group pricing" of $18 per ticket for 17 tickets would be almost 3x the FOF price which works out to $6.76 a day so Angus' math on price per day with cost of drinks is a eye opener too.
Well, enough rambling. I bought our passes and I'm content and ready for a countdown thread.
Ryk- what are you referring to in the statement "don't understand the "alternating" Don Juan and Miguel,"? I'm confused....
I think he meant that in past years that Don Juan and Migel have usually shared the stage with the Pyro Jugger and One flaming Idiot. It seems this year that performing opposite Don Juan and Migel will be a weekly guest performer instead of set person. This may be a good thing, in that it brings in acts that normally do not get to come to scarby due to over lapping gigs. This will also encourage people to come back multiple weeks to see the different performers.
On the down side it is a kick in the wallets for the people who use to work opposite them. That is a NICE STAGE and you can get bigger crowds than the other stages. This forces the performers to smaller stages where, honestly they don't make as much in tips.
Quote from: Stalkwell on November 16, 2010, 05:19:16 PM
Gator-aide and other mixed electrolyte drinks make me wretch. Not worth it to pay $5 a day to have the privelege of that.
Now if they served soda/tea or lemonade... might be worth it to me.
I can't deny that Gator-aide is some kind of nasty, but being at Scarby for closing weekend this year, Nim and I spent a LOT of time in the FoF area drinking water and Gator-
pee-aide. The folks at Scarby had an aid-station full of people that were stroking out from the heat. Had it not been for the FoF pavilions,
we would not have been able to stay around. In case you hadn't noticed, bottles of water are $2 per outside of the FoF pavilions.
I'd much rather deal with the nasty taste than a nasty heat-stroke. Tea would NOT be good under those circumstances, lemonade might, and only clear soda would be good. In the extreme heat, caffeine and alcohol are both
very bad ideas.
It just makes me sad that for the first time in years, we may not be able to be there every weekend. Scarby is more than just something to do a couple of weekends - it's our life for 2 months out of the year. My kids grew up there, formed relationships and friendships, worked in shops, walked in the parade every day, we all learned the country dances and participated in the dancing every day and every year we have managed to turn 1 or 2 friends or family members into rennies. The Faire made this possible for us by offering the season pass and now they are yanking it away. I just feel cheated - like they are saying "we don't really care if you are here or not but if you really want to be here, you'll pay"
I agree that the FOF pass is still a good deal if you break it down per day, but it all has to be paid up front. That's 5 passes for us for a total of $575 - that's $240 more than the 1 FOF and 4 regular season passes that we usually buy. The weekend pass would allow us to come only 4 days for the same cost as the regular adult pass. My husband and a few friends are so put off that they are talking about not going at all. I'm not sure what we will do...if we can manage it, I guess we'll buy the passes, but won't buy ANY food (we have always purchased our food at the faire) or spend any money in the shops. Otherwise, we'll just come a couple of weekends and spend what we would normally spend. Either way, the faire won't be making any more money on us.
I posted this in our TM forum but I thought it was appropriate here regarding the "savings per day argument"
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Yes if you break out the cost on a day to day basis - the FOF a good "deal" compared to a daily ticket - especially now that Scarby has raised the daily price to enforce that it is a good deal.
But like I told someone else who made the argument - Scarby doesn't offer an installment plan so folks, many who are honestly living paycheck to paycheck, are having to come up with this extra cash up front. That's and extra $70 per person which yes will make or break some people.
As another board pointed out - it's the way they "increased the price" that is pissing people off. For people who used and relied on the season pass, this is not an incremental increase, this is a $70 dollar ticket increase. How that is good business sense I will never understand except for the fact that yes, they are the only faire in the area and obviously the board is banking on that.
Honestly this move just tells me that Scarby is aspiring to be a renaissance themed shopping mall.
It kind of makes me wonder if their plan of "limiting to 2000" the FOF & raising the price the way they did a couple of years back simply backfired on them because people who used to buy enough for the whole adult-priced family at the really early discounted price (it seems to me that the year that I had a FOF, 07, the early price was something like $75, and the following year it went up to $110 for the early-bird pricing when they first started limiting them) stopped buying multiples and started buying just 1 FOF & the rest regular Season Passes, so they are not making the $ that they have already earmarked for various "FOF-sponsored" improvements, thus they've decided to FORCE the FOF purchases.
In my own household/family (7 adults & 1 child), it will cost them over $500 in unsold passes alone, before you factor in what we normally spend on food (yes, we all eat once a day out there, purchasing food from the vendors to do so), sodas, games/rides for the kids, items purchased (over the course of the season we spend several hundred dollars out there, at least, with various shopkeepers), and tips for performers.
I understand that Scarby is a business, and one to whose financial dealings I am not privy, however as much as I love faire, and Scarby in particular, the way that they seem not to care about those of us who are willing to pay to be part of the magic, week in and week out, and they've dropped several acts that are popular (Hey Nunnie Nunnie, The Rogues, Noble Cause), makes me wonder if it's worth my money, time and energy to support a festival that doesn't seem to care that it is alienating its largest group of dedicated fans...
I'm getting really curious about ticket prices all around for next year. Nobody seems to be posting prices... How much did anyone pay for season passes at other faires this past year? TRF doesn't look like they even have such things. I've seen other faires at $75-110.
I think Sherwood is $90 (6 wknds?). Includes camping and a pin, but not preferred parking or drinks. TRF has no pass, not sure about the others.
This isn't about other what other faires do as far as passes or prices, it's about Scarby. Scarby is/was our home faire and the only one we attended every weekend. Like Nicolas-Antoine said, its the $70 increase that has come as such a shock and is alienating their most loyal customers.
Im just glad that Im not the only one who is upset over this. I hate that the thougth comes to mind that this is their way of getting some of us die hard playtrons off the lanes (or at least attempting to) to make room for the cast, is there really so many of us that we are getting in the way of their show?
That aside, is there any way to find out how many FOF passes are left? I know Im paranoid but all the sudden Im afraid that they will run out before I can save the money (3 weeks) for them. If that were to happen, I would not attend faire at all, nor would my fiance.
Quote from: J M Gryphon on November 19, 2010, 07:04:25 AM
That aside, is there any way to find out how many FOF passes are left? I know Im paranoid but all the sudden Im afraid that they will run out before I can save the money (3 weeks) for them. If that were to happen, I would not attend faire at all, nor would my fiance.
I have no idea, but I can tell you that my friend who bought one the first year that they limited them, didn't get hers until the end of February or early March, and hers was numbered 362 or something...
I know in past years that they didnt sell all that fast, but I wonder how many ppl that used to get the Adult season pass will be buying a FOF instead, but also I wonder how many ppl will not buy a FOF pass and just not be there everyday the faire is open, as it seems like this move may backfire on the management.
Quote from: J M Gryphon on November 19, 2010, 07:04:25 AM
Im just glad that Im not the only one who is upset over this. I hate that the thougth comes to mind that this is their way of getting some of us die hard playtrons off the lanes (or at least attempting to) to make room for the cast, is there really so many of us that we are getting in the way of their show?
Okay, I've been quiet til now, but this...this "comment" (I dignify it with that name) is not only completely uncalled for, but is EXTREMELY insulting to the performing company members. The cast does not need anyone to "make room" for them, thank you very much. Those on performing company work VERY hard at what they do, and they are among the best in the country at it. Other festivals ASK for our cast to come visit. Our cast members have gone to other festivals to instruct THEIR performers in the things that they do.
So if you are unhappy with the faire, that is your perogative, but throwing insults at people who volunteer and probably pay as much, if not more, than you do in order to WORK the entire faire season is rude and completely unnecessary.
I hope that everyone has a great faire season but I'm done with this discussion...and quite possibly these boards.
Lys,
I am not sure that he was directing his frustration at CAST, in fact, I read it as "they" being management. I have been to enough other festivals, especially in the past few years to know that at Scarby we are VERY blessed with a fabulous cast, who work very hard all season to create the magic. On any given weekend at Scarby I have more interaction in one day directly with cast members (some of whom are at least acquaintances, others who might recognize me if they saw me in garb elsewhere but in street clothes would have no clue who I am) than I have had on all of my 10 or 12 days at TRF combined, or any of the other festivals that I've attended only one or two days.
That being said, I have heard, from multiple sources in various playtron groups I'm either involved with, or know people who are involved with, that a couple of the playtron groups (specifically ones that march in parade) are "getting too large" for management's liking. (which could cause a person to think that perhaps management is hoping to weed out some of those involved)
Personally, most of the cast members I have actually talked to, don't seem to have a problem with it, and on some level appreciate the "supporting cast" as it may be. It seems to me that our parade is much more fun and interesting than any of the others I've seen, all of which have very limited Patron/Playtron involvement, and certainly do not have a Royal Guard or Highlanders contingent like ours.
Quote from: lys1022 on November 19, 2010, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: J M Gryphon on November 19, 2010, 07:04:25 AM
Im just glad that Im not the only one who is upset over this. I hate that the thougth comes to mind that this is their way of getting some of us die hard playtrons off the lanes (or at least attempting to) to make room for the cast, is there really so many of us that we are getting in the way of their show?
Okay, I've been quiet til now, but this...this "comment" (I dignify it with that name) is not only completely uncalled for, but is EXTREMELY insulting to the performing company members. The cast does not need anyone to "make room" for them, thank you very much. Those on performing company work VERY hard at what they do, and they are among the best in the country at it. Other festivals ASK for our cast to come visit. Our cast members have gone to other festivals to instruct THEIR performers in the things that they do.
So if you are unhappy with the faire, that is your perogative, but throwing insults at people who volunteer and probably pay as much, if not more, than you do in order to WORK the entire faire season is rude and completely unnecessary.
I hope that everyone has a great faire season but I'm done with this discussion...and quite possibly these boards.
This is what I meant about the actors and playtrons stating to take sises and fight each other.
This is turning a bit into a dead horse and looks like it may end up turning into more hurt feelings.
Drac
Quote from: lys1022 on November 19, 2010, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: J M Gryphon on November 19, 2010, 07:04:25 AM
Im just glad that Im not the only one who is upset over this. I hate that the thougth comes to mind that this is their way of getting some of us die hard playtrons off the lanes (or at least attempting to) to make room for the cast, is there really so many of us that we are getting in the way of their show?
Okay, I've been quiet til now, but this...this "comment" (I dignify it with that name) is not only completely uncalled for, but is EXTREMELY insulting to the performing company members. The cast does not need anyone to "make room" for them, thank you very much. Those on performing company work VERY hard at what they do, and they are among the best in the country at it. Other festivals ASK for our cast to come visit. Our cast members have gone to other festivals to instruct THEIR performers in the things that they do.
So if you are unhappy with the faire, that is your perogative, but throwing insults at people who volunteer and probably pay as much, if not more, than you do in order to WORK the entire faire season is rude and completely unnecessary.
I hope that everyone has a great faire season but I'm done with this discussion...and quite possibly these boards.
You are seeing an insult at the performers where there was none. For one the MANAGEMENT made this an issue, not the CAST. I was referring to the MANAGEMENT as 'they", not the CAST. I know the CAST has to pay to play the same if not more than I do. I also stated that I did not like thinking that way and also added a "?" because it was a question and not a statement of fact. After this response though, I feel maybe like I hit a nerve, so maybe im not too far off base here in thinking that the MANAGEMENT group thinks we playtrons are getting in the way.
And it was another playtron (my late aunt) who got me coming to Scarby in the first place, not anyone on cast or anyone who was a single weekender, so if anyone NEEDS to be there, its the playtrons, the lifeblood of the faire IN MY OPINION...
But thats ok, put words in my mouth that I didnt say, I love it ???
Before this thread gets locked down for getting out of hand, may I offer the following:
For each poster in this thread, and perhaps each Scarbite, there is a different perspective. If you have an issue with the ticket prices, it does no good to badger each other out here, intentionally or not. Make your objections known to management of Scarborough, if that's your desire. Nobody here has the authority to change the prices.
It sucks seeing friends going at each other like this! And for those of you that are deciding to skip Scarby in the future, I'm sorry I didn't get the chance to meet you first. Maybe I'll catch up with you at another faire.
This "conversation" has joined the ranks of politics and religion...there will be no winners.
I will tend to agree with you Merlin, this was bound to become a sore spot at some point (still trying to figure out where I insulted anyone) ,but what is the point of an open forum if one is not allowed to voice thoughts and opinions. My complaint is 100% management, 0% cast, and as far as complaining, I have signed the petition that is online. I know Im not the only one that doesnt agree with the managements decision on the passes, but I also wont be the only one who will pony up the extra dough and be at Scarby every day that its open, but as for how much longer I will be able to aford to, (at this rate) I know not.
Im going to step up first, and apologize to anyone who took my comments as an insult.
JM- I know you didn't mean it that way, but when you said-
"this is their way of getting some of us die hard playtrons off the lanes (or at least attempting to) to make room for the cast, is there really so many of us that we are getting in the way of their show?"
"their" seemed to refer to cast. Maybe "make room for THEIR cast" might have clarified it. By saying "the cast" and then "their show" may have clouded your meaning.
I know you love the Festival and do alot to support it.
I also agree with the other comments, NOBODY gets in the way of the Scarby cast. They invite you to be a part of it all, whether in costume or not, and if you don't want to join in, sit back and enjoy the show. They ROCK!
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on November 19, 2010, 01:42:46 PM
For each poster in this thread, and perhaps each Scarbite, there is a different perspective. If you have an issue with the ticket prices, it does no good to badger each other out here, intentionally or not. Make your objections known to management of Scarborough, if that's your desire. Nobody here has the authority to change the prices.
I have signed the petition (along with 175 other people) and sent several emails to management (as have many of my friends and family), all of which have gone unanswered. So there 'ya go.
I think we all realize that no one here has any authority to change prices but people in "higher places" do read these forums...
JM- I know you didn't mean it that way, but when you said-
"this is their way of getting some of us die hard playtrons off the lanes (or at least attempting to) to make room for the cast, is there really so many of us that we are getting in the way of their show?"
"their" seemed to refer to cast. Maybe "make room for THEIR cast" might have clarified it. By saying "the cast" and then "their show" may have clouded your meaning.
I realize that I may have been a little clouded here, and it seems like everyone else saw my meaning clearly, but dont you think that maybe a renmail would have been more appropriate, before she pulled up my kilt and gave me a spanking in front of the entire R/F forum, and the internet? :P
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I do not work for Scarborough Faire. I am not on the performing company, and have not been for three years. I am a paying patron. I have stated very clearly in any number of posts that I am not an employee of Scarborough Faire or Southwest Festivals and that I do not represent management in any way.
I HAVE had the good fortune to be involved with the Festival for some time in the past, and as such, I am able to answer questions with a bit more "backstage" knowledge than most people. But there are any number of persons on these boards with that same familiarity in their festivals. Oh, and even when I WAS on performing company, I was not an employee. I was a volunteer. Just like the rest of the performing company.
As for the lack of response from management, the office is not that big to begin with, and I know of at least one...possibly more...that are not in the office again til after the holidays. The folks who ARE in the office right now are probably working very hard to get entertainment contracts and crafting contracts set in time to get the schedule established and most likely have not even looked at this forum in weeks.
sorry I mistook you for being on cast, I will eat my words on that one...but in all fairness, the fervor with witch you dressed me down led me to belive you took my "comment" personally.
however, I stand by what I said about it being handled via private renmail as opposed to in front of everyone on the internet
Looks like we were both wrong, me for assuming you were cast this season, and you for addressing me like I was a rude 5 year old in need of a spanking....
Can we call it even?
P.s: If I had that kind of disdane for the cast, why would I be so concerned with making sure I got my passes? Thats the part I cant figure out....
It has gotten rather heated on all fronts. I think—at least I hope—that no one intended to be nasty to anyone, with the possible exception against the ones who decided to do away with the passes in the first place.
Forgive me for attempting to mediate, but I've found cyber-friends out here on both side of the fence, and I really don't want to alienate any of them/you—I haven't even had a chance to meet most of you. I am in the middle—the change in the passes (this time) did not impact me, as we have been buying FoF passes for a while. But we did go through a price change a few years back...I just took it as the price of doing what I really wanted to do.
I work at a state university. I've dealt with administrators and their logic. I'm not going to sit here and blow smoke up your skirt and tell you that there is a valid reason for all of this. I will tell you that they likely think there is, but that may or may not be the case. I am not in the position to determine that. Not even close! The logical step is the one that many have already followed—making the displeasure known.
I can tell you from painful experience that ultimatums are worthless. Requests to reconsider, however, with impeccable logic, intelligently presented, and sans anger-filled threats, will have a much better chance of reaching desired ears. I'm not guaranteeing it will change anything, but it's certainly more conducive to discourse. You never know though...maybe they didn't realize how much you care. If you didn't care—a lot—about Scarby, it would mean nothing. That's special.
I am not attempting to encourage anyone not to be mad about the change in passes—you have every reason to be upset. But if you simply give up on Scarby because you think they did you wrong, you only shooting yourself in the foot. Not everyone can afford to be altruistic these days. I like to do the FoF passes because I'm seeing some progress out of it...and maybe I'm being naïve! I won't deny it! But in these days and times, not everyone is in the same situation. I'm struggling with some things, but not as much as a lot of other people, a lot of you.
Our entertainment, when things get tight, is the last thing we want to give up. It's the only thing that helps us keep our sanity. If any Scarby higher-ups are monitoring this conversation, I encourage you to rethink your decision. It's not for me—I'm good to go for the 2011 season—it's for my friends.
While I am not happy on the way it was done I wish no ill will toward the management, players, playtrons, vendors, or performers.
We will buy the passes, go as often as we can, march in the parade and have fun.
After all isn't that what we're here for?
Drac
I am becoming curious about how many regulars that this will affect. I guess we won't really knwo for sure until opening, but how many of the Royal Guard and the Queen's Own will be missing?
I'm actually tempted to join the groups now that PP and I are becoming more regular. But I agree with you Donna, how will this effect the regulars coming week after week. We might see a serious decrease in parade length.
I know that I will not be able to attend as much as I usually do. I am sad about this. I loved Scarby. Maybe once or twice if I can get day trip rides. Sigh.I will miss all of you. See me at Sherwood.
Here's my 2 cents (actually only worth 1 cent in todays economy but that's another subject):
If I'm management, my ONLY reason for making this change has to be financial. It has to be a decision based on increasing revenue through ticket sales.
If I do not offer season passes, paytrons have 2 choices basically... buy a day pass every visit and hopefully they will come more than 4 times which in that case will generate a few more dollars to ME as management of the grounds. OR they will purchase a FOF pass which will also generate more revenue for the grounds since FOF passes cost more than season passes.
I for one do not think this strategy works for raising more overall revenue however.
This is why.
Once a season pass is purchased, most feel somewhat obligated to come to faire in order to feel they got "their monies worth". What happens when people come? They spend money. If contemplating going out for the weekend and one begins to add up in their head the price of another day pass for the family and all the other expenses... I think some will opt out.
I think the vendors are the ones who are going to suffer the most. The "grounds" will probably not see a big difference either way in the amount of revenue increased from the sale of more FOF passes instead of season passes or a decrease from the amount of people who decide to only come a couple of weekends instead.
My fear is that if vendors begin to see a serious decline in attendance and spending... they will slowly begin to stop coming to Scarby and then it gets ugly.
Attendance has declined some from the economy and anything that would add to a possible decline in attendance could be detrimental to the future success of the faire.
NASCAR saw this happening 3 years ago and instead of raising ticket prices to offset the decline in revenue, they lowered the prices and offered more options to get people to commit to multiple days via package deals. The idea here is to get them in the gates...and they will spend money.
The first rule in any successful business is to get them HERE. Any tactic that makes customers shy away from coming hurts the business. You may not see it immediately but often once it shows, it's too late to stop the bleeding or at very least ends up costing more to fix the problem than the few dollars made with this idea of costing the customer more to come and play.
I didn't go back and read a lot of this post but I got the idea from my dads last post that this became a heated E-issue. I don't do E-fights. If anything I said here made you angry at me, I can't apologize for expressing my opinions in an internet discussion forum.
I'm not sure what we will be doing for passes this year.... most likely just 1 FOF. Scarby is my home faire and I plan on attending.
It's really hard to know what's behind it all. I think things have calmed down a little here on the forum, but there are still quite a few that are angry about it.
Everyone's situation is different. In my case, I'm just too damn old to worry about what, for us, is an insignificant amount of money. We're spending several hundred for travel and lodging, so $40-$50 just isn't a deal-breaker. But we are the exception rather than the rule. We're near retirement age, and have pretty much made our way in the world, for what that means these days. We come for usually only one weekend (because of the distance) but actually make the FoF passes pay for themselves because we bring friends.
You younger folks are in a much more precarious position. Being young, you still have your curtain-climbers and yard-apes, and due to the increased family size, it DOES become a deal-breaker to have to pay the extra $$$ for FoF. I understand, sympathize, and empathize. My advice is to continue to make your feelings known to management, and perhaps they will reconsider for next year.
Without knowing specifics of how many season passes were being sold, it's impossible to make a judgment of the business savvy of the move that eliminated them. But you may be right, son...when the numbers come in for 2011, they may see the errors of their ways.
The best point is what you said about the economy, young Merlin. Now is the time to build a following, not push it away.
My family started going to Scarby as gated ticket purchasers. We enjoyed it so much that we stepped up to being Season Pass purchasers, and after a year of that we became FoF holders. We bought one FoF Pass each for my wife and myself, and an Adult Season Pass for my teenage daughter (our little ones were still young enough to get in free). When the FoF jumped suddenly in price, we stopped going as patrons and started working for shops. Now, we manage a shop of our own.
As a vendor, I'm concerned, though not alarmed, by the dropping of the Adult Season Pass. The vast majority of the people coming in the gate (and therefore past our shop) are people who bought a "regular", or at least not a Season Pass or FoF Pass. So, on the one hand, the dropping of the Adult Season Pass will probably have small affect on our sales. What it MAY affect, however, is the cash available to those people who had to shell out the extra cash for FoF Passes. It's understood that many (if not most) Season Pass and FoF Pass holders spend the first 5 or 6 weekends "shopping" and the last couple of weekends "buying", so the extra hit in the wallet to those people probably won't affect me much until the last 2 or 3 weeks of the show. It will be interesting to see if our numbers drop this year during those weeks compared to last year.
Looking back, I don't know if we would have gone from being occasional attendees all those years ago to being FoF Pass holders had there not been that interim step of Adult Season Pass. At that time, the price of a FoF Pass was just out of reach, but the regular Season Pass was do-able.
I wonder if the cost of printing the Adult Season Pass tickets themselves could no longer be justified by the presumably low numbers that they were selling.
~Ken
Quote from: DonaCatalina on January 06, 2011, 10:01:02 AM
I am becoming curious about how many regulars that this will affect. I guess we won't really knwo for sure until opening, but how many of the Royal Guard and the Queen's Own will be missing?
I have been going to scarby for a few years now and this year i got a pass but my husband did not. SO! My question is how do I join a group??
I think it will depend on the group, BagPipeBabe. Some require nomination by an existing member in a local chapter—I believe Clan M'Crack works that way—and others you just kinda say "howdy, can I play?" and you're in. If you'll look around some of the threads, you'll find some group threads. There are several in Texas, and most of the Texans I've run across have been "right friendly." It's simple enough also to just ask questions of group members. You'll see indications of membership in groups in people's signature, i.e. ROoL in mine (Royal Order of Landshark).
Quote from: BagPipeBabe on February 13, 2011, 10:07:25 PM
Quote from: DonaCatalina on January 06, 2011, 10:01:02 AM
I am becoming curious about how many regulars that this will affect. I guess we won't really knwo for sure until opening, but how many of the Royal Guard and the Queen's Own will be missing?
I have been going to scarby for a few years now and this year i got a pass but my husband did not. SO! My question is how do I join a group??
Since you have a pass, come park near us and we'll introduce you to Brian and Aislynn O'Farrell, the Count and Countess of Glenmorangie. They are usually very welcoming to anyone but especially those of Scots leanings.
Quote from: Don_Juan_deCordoba on February 14, 2011, 07:06:16 AM
[Since you have a pass, come park near us and we'll introduce you to Brian and Aislynn O'Farrell, the Count and Countess of Glenmorangie. They are usually very welcoming to anyone but especially those of Scots leanings.
But be warned the Col and the SG1 will recriut you for the parade :D We're always on the out look for more Scots to scare the English with.
Serious just look for the Flag and a large group of kilted gentlemen that is the QOH come by and say hi.
Quote from: SirRichardBear on February 14, 2011, 09:55:04 AM
Quote from: Don_Juan_deCordoba on February 14, 2011, 07:06:16 AM
[Since you have a pass, come park near us and we'll introduce you to Brian and Aislynn O'Farrell, the Count and Countess of Glenmorangie. They are usually very welcoming to anyone but especially those of Scots leanings.
But be warned the Col and the SG1 will recriut you for the parade :D We're always on the out look for more Scots to scare the English with.
Serious just look for the Flag and a large group of kilted gentlemen that is the QOH come by and say hi.
I am a Scot and i jump in the parade all the time. What dose QOH stand for??
Queens Own Highlanders ;D
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I am a Scot and i jump in the parade all the time. What dose QOH stand for??
Have you marched with the regiment in the past? or walked with the English? If you have marched with us then you are already part of us and if you send me a message I'll forward you our yahoo group info so you can join up and get all the information about what the QOH are doing in and out of faire.
If you never march I can highly recommend it marching is alot more fun than walking the parade and we get better pay ;)
Quote from: SirRichardBear on February 14, 2011, 11:33:34 AM
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I am a Scot and i jump in the parade all the time. What dose QOH stand for??
Have you marched with the regiment in the past? or walked with the English? If you have marched with us then you are already part of us and if you send me a message I'll forward you our yahoo group info so you can join up and get all the information about what the QOH are doing in and out of faire.
If you never march I can highly recommend it marching is alot more fun than walking the parade and we get better pay ;)
O I marched. It was the Queen that told me too. I was watching the parade and when she went by she said i should join in.
Then you're in anyone that marches with us once is welcome to join the group, and we'll look forward to you marching with us this season.
I look forward to marching with the Scot's ! ! !