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Title: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Orphena on August 25, 2011, 04:52:21 AM
 So... WHat was the worst weather you expereinced at faire... and how did you cope?

This summer at Country Ren Faire (Ontario), we had a tornado touch down about 10 km (5 miles) away, but the storm that hit us was bad enough. We have a soft site - and few trees. SO there we were, in a big field, with a bunch of tents / pavilions, watching the lightning get closer... During the storm, we huddled inside tents, holding on to them so that the wind would not carry them away. Cast rushed from their cover to help merchants hold on. We were, everyone of us, drenched by the rain. The storm lasted a good hour. Afterwards, our costume mistress threw open her wardrobes, getting chilled actors out of cold wet gowns, and into something dry - even if it wasn't rank or 100% period accurate, while she rushed home to throw things through the laundry.  The rest of the day we spent slogging through 6 inches of mud.

A few of our villagers put on an impromtu mud show (we have a mud stage for our other Faire (Pirate fest), but not for our renaissance weekend), by sliding along a trench that was full of puddles. They also served as bridges for those who needed to cross over tothe pub - the biggest tent we have!
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Merlin the Elder on August 25, 2011, 04:58:26 AM
The worst for us was the 100°+ temperatures closing weekend of Scarborough in 2010 (I think they had the same this year...) We would walk for 5-10 minutes, then rest for 30, sitting and drinking water.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: DonaCatalina on August 25, 2011, 08:56:28 AM
Scarborough has had everything from snow and ice to 100+ degree days.
The cold is not so bad because you can layer up if its not wet. One of those icy weekends everyone who stayed past noon ended up at the Iris and Rose show beause their stage had the best windbreak. All fifty or sixty of us lined up against the wall while the Iris and Rose did a continuous three hour show standing against the wall with us. 100 degrees means giving up after parade and going home to the AC.

Then there was the year we had tornados close by on two consecutive weekends. The first we were caught at the pegleg stage and were soaked through before we reached shelter. The second we happened to be in the king's pub and ending up standing packed in like sardines for an hour until the storm passed.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: LadyStitch on August 25, 2011, 11:21:28 AM
Other than the 90+heat and the DH in full pirate garb, and me being 5 months pregant, the worst wet weather was TRF.  Our clan has been coming for neary 2 decades so we have learned to adapt well. 

2 different years come to mind.  The very cold and WET weekend.  We had sporadic deluges of rain.  At the time our borrowed car port didn't have walls.  We had extra tarps, so we quickly fashioned walls using those and bungee cords.  Then had a spare screen tent we set up near by that we draped more tarps over to made additional dry storage space.  Then laid a tarp between the two of them, so we could have shelter but still let wind get to our fire pit.; the problems with the tarps were that they didn't have easy run off.  Once in a while an area near the edge would give way to the weight of the water and drop a deluge near the edge.  This is why one of our guys now has the the T-shirt with his famous quote, "God peed on me!" 
We were all wet and the floor of our makeshift canopy was all mud.  We strung up ropes to make 'drying racks' for our socks and such.  Nothing was ever completly dry but by rotating out each of our items by the fire, we at least had less damp items.

What we learned from that adventure helped us 2 years down the road when it was again cold and wet.  Every one had all our gear in plastic water tight tubs, so we ALWAYS had dry warm clothing.  Everyone had tall black boots so when we went tromping through the mud our feet didn't get wet.  We also purchased walled portable car ports that were not just staked down but had cornor tie downs to withstand strong winds. We managed to position the canopies so they were side by side with the long edge flush, then used the extra walls and bungees to make a sort of gutter system to move the run off from the middle of the two canopies to the outside edges where the rain would collect either in a large empty tub, and could easily be drained outside the door, or even right out the side of the canopy.  We also picked up 2 bales of straw to go on the floor of every where but where we were cooking.  This way the mud was cut down  considerably.  We also picked up these table top portable heaters that as long as we kept one canopy's door part way open to let out carbon monoxide , we stayed warm and dry in there.  Tent wise, before we left for faire all bedding was put in water tight containers.  While in faire we had our high boots, we pulled our skirts up, and also carried extra plastic trash bags to sit upon at shows. Along with our cloaks we invested in pocket umbrellas that matched our garb.  We hung them from a belt hanger so they were always ready.  Another thing that we did that actually fit our characters was purchase oilskin coats.  They are actual period ish rain coats that are made to be worn over your regular clothing.  They are what sailors wear when they are out in bad weather on deck.   We are dressed as pirates, so it makes sense.

I've found that if you learn to adapt, take SOME precautions, you can have fun in any weather at faire.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Jack Daw at Work on August 25, 2011, 03:05:20 PM
Back in 1983, I took my best friend and his wife to Texas Ren Fest, and just as we got there, a downpour began.  My friend had donned a brand new 8-yd kilt and wouldn't get out of the car until it let up.  We sat in the car for more than an hour and it never let up, so cursing it all, we left.  My friends couldn't stay and had to go home to Austin.  Bad weekend.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Rowan MacD on August 25, 2011, 03:16:59 PM
  The worst would have to be Siouxland,  in SD.  When the weather is fine, it's gorgeous, but when it rains, it's a downpour, and it invariably gets cold.   In the 6 or so years that I have been attending, it has rained 3 of those.  Fortunately, since this is a 2 day fair, one of the days is almost always great, but it's very good that this is held at the state fair grounds and there are quite a few hard shelters within a quick sprint.  The Joust is held in the equestrian barn, with comfortable bleachers, heating or A/C as needed.   
  At least there is a large indoor, climate controlled venue to retreat to when the weather goes bad.   
   
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Adriana Rose on August 26, 2011, 10:23:08 AM
At Colorado we have gone from breaking records for both the coldest summer day to the hottest. The first year I worked there it rained all but 2 weekends and those two were HOT! in 2010 we had an opening weekend that topped out at 44 and rained all weekend, then there was a rain storm on the 4th of July that dropped pingpong ball sized hail ::)

I learned that you need to come prepared for all seasons! I keep a blow dryer at the shop incase I have to dry out boots, There is nothing worse than putting on soggy boots. Extra costumes, cloaks and sweatshirts for my girls incase they get wet. I even had them bring warm stuff just incase of a cold day this season thank goodness they didn't need them this season.

Like I said I took a lesson from the Boy Scouts and come prepared for anything.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Master James on August 26, 2011, 01:34:55 PM
Worst ever was 3 years ago at the Virginia Renaissance Faire where I'm on cast and play a noble.  Saturday was 112 with a heat index of 128 and Sunday was 118 with a heat index of 122.  So Sunday was hotter and cooler at the same time.  Talk about people dropping!  I only made it until like 3 on Saturday and 4 on Sunday and then took the full week to recover!  Fortunately, I didn't go until I dropped.  I hit my limit and knew it so got out of garb and called it a day.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: McGuinness on August 26, 2011, 01:58:14 PM
We get every kind of bad weather every season at PaRF too. In one season, we can go from 115+ degree heat indexes to torrential storms and tornado threats to freezing rain towards the end of the season (our run is August through the end of October). Our faire institutes an Emergency Action Plan where we as staff and cast are notified of dangerous conditions or on-site emergencies and spread it to the patrons to get them to safety. We've had to use it three out of our four open days this season so far.  We've had to suspend shows because of thunderstorms, lightning and flooding already, and we are on the fringe of Hurricane Irene's Strike Zone this weekend from Saturday night through Sunday.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: DonaCatalina on August 26, 2011, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: Colleen McGuinness on August 26, 2011, 01:58:14 PM
We get every kind of bad weather every season at PaRF too. In one season, we can go from 115+ degree heat indexes to torrential storms and tornado threats to freezing rain towards the end of the season (our run is August through the end of October). Our faire institutes an Emergency Action Plan where we as staff and cast are notified of dangerous conditions or on-site emergencies and spread it to the patrons to get them to safety. We've had to use it three out of our four open days this season so far.  We've had to suspend shows because of thunderstorms, lightning and flooding already, and we are on the fringe of Hurricane Irene's Strike Zone this weekend from Saturday night through Sunday.
I feel for you, I have family and friends in SC who are battening down the hatches.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: McGuinness on August 26, 2011, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: DonaCatalina on August 26, 2011, 03:45:16 PM
I feel for you, I have family and friends in SC who are battening down the hatches.

I have family and friends in SC, FL, GA and VA that are preparing, plus a coworker in Delaware that is expecting bad things. We aren't expecting too direct a hit here in PA but our faire has the misfortune of being built on ground with a high clay content so there are drainage and flooding issues with high rainfall. Last weekend our final joust was done sans horses in a sand pitch that turned into quicksand with about 6 inches of standing water in some places.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Seleyna Eirian on August 26, 2011, 07:05:57 PM
In 2008, ORF (Ohio Renaissance Festival) felt the aftermath of Hurricane Ike. We stuck it out until they told us that we had to leave and that faire was closing early (it was around 3pm, I believe?). My cohorts and I assisted in keeping a tent from blowing over, we all each wrapped ourselves around a pole and did our best to keep it as grounded as possible while the vendor scrambled to get her things out, as well as attempt to break it down as quickly as they could. The center pole was twisted beyond repair. Had it been a circle, it would have been a mobius strip.

There were so many trees that were snapped like kindling that day. They lost power for 8 or 9 days I think. And people in quite a portion of Ohio was without power as well.


My only hope that with Irene hitting the East Coast is that everyone will be alright. Faires, fairemily and every other person out there.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Nighthawk on August 27, 2011, 02:11:36 AM
So- the worst... Last year, 2010, at the Elizabeth Celtic Festival, we got hit with the downdrafts of a tornado. I'm in a living history group that focuses on the late Renaissance through the Jacobite period (Scottish Highland) and we have a small tent village (pub, smithy, leather workers, textiles, and an armory) and we of course use period tents, meaning iron, wood, heavy canvas and ropes. The storm hit (blowing my kilt up to my ears, which was the first sign of bad things coming) and the vendors started losing stock, so we in my group did our best to help them hold down what they had. I was helping a couple with glasswares by holding onto their awning while they packed their merch. I heard some yelling, and I looked in the direction of the St. Andrew's Society just in time to see them get hit by one of the downdrafts. It was like the finger of God came down and smashed their tent into the ground- and I mean, it was just crushed straight down, flat. It was pretty freightening, really... I do have to say that this same wind attempted to crush our encampment- and failed. Panther Primitives make some fine, strong tents. While everyone else was getting blown away, our Panthers weathered the storm. What a mess that was... I felt so bad for the St. Andrew's Society and all the other vendors. The storm only lasted 15 minutes, but it was such a disaster! And on a bright note, the Faire/Festival gods have been kind to us this year. None of the events we've done have been too miserably hot. Humid, yes- hot, not really. And no gods forsaken tornados!!
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Capt Robertsgrave Thighbiter on August 30, 2011, 10:16:53 AM
8 years ago, when the Connecticut Renaissance Faire was located in Woodstock Ct, the Faire was located on some nice rolling grounds that had a cutesy pie little stream running thru the grounds, with a cutesy pie lil kissing bridge.  Of course the best places for merchants were on the walkway adjacent to the cutesy pie little stream - very idylic!  It was our first year performing there, last weekend of their run.  Driving up Fri night we encountered rain the whole way from Long Island NY to there, but thought nothing of it - we're used to rain.  Sat morning we arrive at the faire site, in full kit, only to find the cutesy pie lil stream had expanded like Topsey - to the point where the water had crested over the hand rails on the cutesy pie lil bridge.  Teams of Renies had fromed a human chain in the swirling and dangerous running water to help merchants literally save their livelyhoods from the water. One poor vendor, a sterling siver merchant had all his wares in tupperware tubs, which went floating down the river, out into the Long island SOund and were never seen again ( or at least never reported).  Also lost was a huge circus size tent, that the water had eaten away the stakes and poles  on one side - whoosh, down stream that went. 

Needless to say that weekend was a cancelation.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Adriana Rose on August 30, 2011, 11:23:14 AM
Quote from: Nighthawk on August 27, 2011, 02:11:36 AM
So- the worst... Last year, 2010, at the Elizabeth Celtic Festival, we got hit with the downdrafts of a tornado. I'm in a living history group that focuses on the late Renaissance through the Jacobite period (Scottish Highland) and we have a small tent village (pub, smithy, leather workers, textiles, and an armory) and we of course use period tents, meaning iron, wood, heavy canvas and ropes. The storm hit (blowing my kilt up to my ears, which was the first sign of bad things coming) and the vendors started losing stock, so we in my group did our best to help them hold down what they had. I was helping a couple with glasswares by holding onto their awning while they packed their merch. I heard some yelling, and I looked in the direction of the St. Andrew's Society just in time to see them get hit by one of the downdrafts. It was like the finger of God came down and smashed their tent into the ground- and I mean, it was just crushed straight down, flat. It was pretty freightening, really... I do have to say that this same wind attempted to crush our encampment- and failed. Panther Primitives make some fine, strong tents. While everyone else was getting blown away, our Panthers weathered the storm. What a mess that was... I felt so bad for the St. Andrew's Society and all the other vendors. The storm only lasted 15 minutes, but it was such a disaster! And on a bright note, the Faire/Festival gods have been kind to us this year. None of the events we've done have been too miserably hot. Humid, yes- hot, not really. And no gods forsaken tornados!!
I heard about that! I know the guys that run the games for that show and they were not very happy campers, Didn't you guys get rained out this year too? Oh for the folks not playing the home game here Elizabeth is like 20 miles east of the Colorado faire.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on August 31, 2011, 08:41:21 AM
Closing weekend, TRF, 2007.  Torrential downpours, sleet, gusty winds, temps hovering in the lower 40's... GREAT DAY!  ;)
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Nighthawk on August 31, 2011, 10:23:14 AM
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on August 31, 2011, 08:41:21 AM
Closing weekend, TRF, 2007.  Torrential downpours, sleet, gusty winds, temps hovering in the lower 40's... GREAT DAY!  ;)

I'd love a day like that! The Ft. Lupton Heritage Days festival is usually fairly chilly.

Quote from: Adriana Rose on August 30, 2011, 11:23:14 AM

I heard about that! I know the guys that run the games for that show and they were not very happy campers, Didn't you guys get rained out this year too? Oh for the folks not playing the home game here Elizabeth is like 20 miles east of the Colorado faire.

No, we didn't get rained out. Sunday actually turned out to be a rather comfortable day. It was a bit of a bust, though. I think people stayed away because of the threat of bad weather.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Kiss-me-Kate on August 31, 2011, 08:06:20 PM
I am glad to see Minnesota isn't the only one with bi polar weather.   ;)

We can have a 98 and humid day (heat index of 110+) to 40 and snowing the next.   I have learned to have everything we need on hand.  (Or at least in the trunk) Chances are you'll need it. 
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Adriana Rose on August 31, 2011, 09:54:30 PM
Yuppers the joke is wait 5 minutes the weather will change
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: LadyFae on August 31, 2011, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Adriana Rose on August 31, 2011, 09:54:30 PM
Yuppers the joke is wait 5 minutes the weather will change

I say that about my kids's attitudes, too. :P
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: KeeperoftheBar on September 01, 2011, 08:28:17 AM
Quote from: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on August 31, 2011, 08:41:21 AM
Closing weekend, TRF, 2007.  Torrential downpours, sleet, gusty winds, temps hovering in the lower 40's... GREAT DAY!  ;)
I remember that day.  StudMuffin doesn't like rain and we were kept busy dodging the rain.
I much prefer the hot days as the ladies wear less.....
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: stonebiscuit on September 01, 2011, 01:47:28 PM
GARF, April 2007, we had a snow day. To be more specific, we had a snow day that turned into a sleet day, with some unholy snow/ice hybrid pouring onto us from the steely grey unforgiving sky. It was the worst day ever.  >:(
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Orphena on September 01, 2011, 04:26:34 PM
So...if the weather is bad... so bad that the stage shows cannot continue - what do you do? As performers? As Playtrons?
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Lady Kett on September 01, 2011, 08:15:01 PM
Our motto is that there is no such thing as bad weather at faire, only unpreparedness!

Sidekick (my husband) packs the vehicle with every possible emergency covered. If he learns of a new one he doesn't have covered, it results in a field trip to the nearest appropriate store to cover it!
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Adriana Rose on September 02, 2011, 10:51:14 AM
We layer up and hang in there when I am at the shop. Colorado has NEVER closed early!

I make sure my girls have their cloaks if its raining, if its cold I make sure they are layered up and then that they have warm drinks. When the cart girls come in at their breaks I have warm blankets to wrap up in.

As a playtron I head out yea I am a wimp but I tough it out while I work, I can come back the next day.

Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Hoowil on September 03, 2011, 01:35:52 PM
We stopped going to NorCal after a couple years ago, when it was over 115. That was the year that made them reschedule to whole run of the faire for a month later.
A few ago at Fair Oaks, it was hot, somewhere in the lower hundreds, and there were a number of forrest fires outside of town, to the point that the smoke was so thick it looked foggy. I have never been to a faire, even one as small as fair oaks with so few people there. It was kind of nice though, that the smoke and heat kept the mundane to playtron ration nearly undefinable. I saw maybe a dozen folks out of garb.
At Sonora two years ago we had a day that topped off at about 45 and was real windy. But for a faire that has been known to have snow, it wasn't too bad, but the wife and kids were not too happy. I've started lining the kids cloaks after that one, to help keep out wind. And my daughter now gets a flannel chemise for cold faires, and a linen one for warm ones.
Folsom two years ago nearly rained out, I think we cut our visit a few hours shorted because of it.
Over all, I think the cold and wet isn't as bad, as that is what cloaks are for. The heat is a real buzz kill.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: darkranger on September 07, 2011, 12:42:37 PM
as long as no one is getting hurt, any weather is a good time at the fair...    ;D
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: lady M on September 07, 2011, 03:59:54 PM
I agree with darkranger. Any weather is good weather when you're at faire with family and fairemily.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Nighthawk on September 10, 2011, 02:56:57 PM
Quote from: darkranger on September 07, 2011, 12:42:37 PM
as long as no one is getting hurt, any weather is a good time at the fair...    ;D

That's my attitude, too! As my persona is a Scottish Highlander, I can be prepared for any and all weather pretty easily. You wear a great kilt in the heat, just let it hang and remove your doublet. If it rains/snows/gets cold, wrap it around yourself like a cloak and put your doublet back on! Great kilts are the perfect all-weather garment.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: daggrim on September 11, 2011, 11:26:02 PM
Yes, I have to agree that period foul weather gear really works...a heavy wool cloak is versatile.  In the snow, turnshoes with a couple pairs of woolen socks and couple of leather insert soles works, with woolen legwraps called winklebanding, and even birchbark leggings.  Those old-timers knew what they were doing.
 
Wet feet in the mud is one problem, though, that you just need to live with...or not.  The one item that my wife and I bring to every fair is big rubber farmer boots that are worn over our socks.  I pull my trousers over them, and they're not really noticeable.  Then when the mud begins to dry, we go back to our turnshoes.  Having dry feet seems to add about 90% to the comfort level.  It even encourages me to get out there and lend a hand if needed.  I feel a little more invincible. 

Also, my round wooden shield functions well as an umbrella.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on September 12, 2011, 08:24:24 AM
GoreTex socks... enough said.  :)
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: daggrim on September 12, 2011, 09:34:52 AM
Doh!  I'm a camping out kinda guy, and I just never connected those dots.  Tak su.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Hoowil on September 12, 2011, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: daggrim on September 11, 2011, 11:26:02 PM


Also, my round wooden shield functions well as an umbrella.
I remember, many a year ago, using an unfinished scutum as a snow shovel.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: DT_Masters on September 26, 2011, 04:03:41 AM
So far, that would be the week after it snowed at Scarborough, Apr 14, 07 (if I have the right album). Darn cold, even for my time travel clothes (pre garb) back then. I almost put on my wooly pully for that day, but decided instead for the llama parka....and so started my pathway into garb.

Generally, the solution has been to add things to the garb closet that supports my character. One year I bought a buffalo cape, last time the coyote parka. As time goes on, I look to add more things to the closet to enable my character to be in cold weather...........feel sorry for my belly dancing friends.

Hot weather is uncomfortable, yes, but not critical since my character is in light clothing.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: DonaCatalina on November 03, 2011, 02:26:05 PM
Which fair was closed by 10" of snow right before Halloween?
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Merlin the Elder on November 03, 2011, 03:14:21 PM
PaRF had to cancel their closing weekend. There is a link to photos of some of the damage in the PaRF thread...
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: dreamwalker on November 04, 2011, 04:46:15 AM
Given the extremes, I pick cold weather over hot....and this is coming from someone who hates being cold. Here in Texas the heat just sucks the very life out of you. You can always add layers ya know... Being prepared is the key. I'm the designated 'watch the weather' monitor when it starts getting about 2 weeks till Faire weekend.

Last time I planned on going out of Scarby we got rained out. What year was that? It would have resulted in my lavender toga fairy costumes turning to an entry for the nearest wet toga contest.

Highland weekend last year at TRF was chilly. Highland weekend this year; currently looks like its going to be chilly at night and in the morning getting in the nice and mild range during he day. I hope not oo warm, I so love to wear my cloaks.
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: Aiacha on November 04, 2011, 07:00:38 AM
Quote from: GoodyTombShoes on November 03, 2011, 06:05:09 PM
PARF in the thick of the snow on saturday. Saddest part was it was well on it's way to melting by sunday afternoon.

That's beautiful.  Prepared enough, I would have loved to walk around in that!
Title: Re: Bad weather at Faire
Post by: DonaCatalina on November 04, 2011, 10:11:22 AM
Quote from: Aiacha on November 04, 2011, 07:00:38 AM
Quote from: GoodyTombShoes on November 03, 2011, 06:05:09 PM
PARF in the thick of the snow on saturday. Saddest part was it was well on it's way to melting by sunday afternoon.

That's beautiful.  Prepared enough, I would have loved to walk around in that!

me too.