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Title: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: gem on August 12, 2012, 04:31:08 PM
What does everyone like to use? So far I haven't made a smock/chemise that needed any kind of closure at the neck/cuffs, and I used buttons and loops on my partlet collar.

But for my upcoming high-necked smock (from the embroidered muslin (http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL417/1033223/24167320/403562561.jpg)), I'd like the neck and sleeves to tie closed. Baroness Doune has a really pretty men's smock (http://www.karen.htmlcreators.com/smpatshirtfront.jpg) on her site with long ties that I really like. It looks like it might be teeny tiny bias tubes--and I can tell you for certain I won't be doing that! LOL

Any other suggestions? Twill tape--even the narrow 3/8" stuff--seems like it would be too wide.

EDITED to correct link to the Baroness's smock.
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Rani Zemirah on August 12, 2012, 05:45:20 PM
1/8" ribbon, maybe, if you're wanting something that thin?  Satin would be slippery, though, and might not stay tied very well.  Or cording?  Maybe some finger-woven cording made with silk thread, so it would turn out extremely fine?  Just an idea or two... probably not what you had in mind, though. 
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Kate XXXXXX on August 12, 2012, 06:38:40 PM
Silk ribbon: (http://assets.burdastyle.com/project_images/assets/000/215/768/DSCF0080_large.jpg?1312450133)
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Butch on August 12, 2012, 06:42:33 PM
I've used satin ribbon; don't use it.  It is indeed too slippery.  I've heard people have used candle wicks successfully.  The last several shirts I have made, I sewed ties from the shirting material; kinda like the double twill tape, but much smaller.  And I sew a single seam along the open edge.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Rani Zemirah on August 12, 2012, 07:04:00 PM
Oooh... I have a whole roll of 1/16" flat braided cotton candle wicking, and I think it would be wonderful to use as ties! 
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: CenturiesSewing on August 12, 2012, 08:16:10 PM
Basic 3 loop fingerloop braid videos

part 1
http://youtu.be/G4k5c3OlHyM (http://youtu.be/G4k5c3OlHyM)

part 2
http://youtu.be/vPXirnUoaWc (http://youtu.be/vPXirnUoaWc)
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Sev on August 12, 2012, 09:27:07 PM
In the past I've used 1/8" grosgrain ribbon which seems to grip a little better than the satin...
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Wickedvox on August 12, 2012, 09:53:16 PM
They *all* took the ideas right out of my mouth!  :D Particularly the silk ribbon--Kate that chemise is *gorgeous!* Do you do your own cut embroidery?? It's beautiful!
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Rani Zemirah on August 12, 2012, 11:25:28 PM
Oh, Gem... your link to the men's smock leads to the image of your embroidered muslin.  You might not have gotten the proper link copied before you pasted it into the message, maybe?
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: gem on August 13, 2012, 01:03:38 AM
It should be fixed now, but here it is:
http://www.karen.htmlcreators.com/smpatshirtfront.jpg
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Lady Kathleen of Olmsted on August 13, 2012, 03:10:05 AM
gem,

Have you thought about using Soutache? I often use both white and black Soutache for ties or loops for Buttons on Shirts and Chemises. It can be well anchored down and tied off at the end.
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: DonaCatalina on August 13, 2012, 04:55:55 AM
coming late to the discussion...... but I use picot ribbon. The loops help keep the ties from coming undone.
(http://www.casparionline.com/e/images/P/R735.png)
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Rennigirl on August 13, 2012, 06:17:56 AM
Adding my "thumbs up" to using the grosgrain ribbon.  Works very well and does not slip out.
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Kate XXXXXX on August 13, 2012, 07:41:36 AM
Quote from: Wickedvox on August 12, 2012, 09:53:16 PM
They *all* took the ideas right out of my mouth!  :D Particularly the silk ribbon--Kate that chemise is *gorgeous!* Do you do your own cut embroidery?? It's beautiful!

Thank you.  No, it's inserted lace, like the original from the V&A.

Here's how I did it: 

http://dressdiaries.livejournal.com/537215.html

http://dressdiaries.livejournal.com/537988.html

http://dressdiaries.livejournal.com/545701.html

Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: gem on August 13, 2012, 03:46:01 PM
Wow--this ended up being a great thread!

Thanks for all the suggestions. I went on a little shopping trip today, and I haven't found any of the recommendations... yet. I am hoping to find something to coordinate with the brown embroidery, like this extant smock at the V&A:

(http://www.theblackworkguild.com/images/t.112-1972d.jpg)

It turns out, it is way harder to match browns than you would think!  :-\ I would really prefer not to have to make something, because I know how I end up on projects like that! I did find some gimp-ish trim in the absolute perfect shade of brown; I think it wants to be used on the seams, but it's too thick to use for ties.  I really like the idea of the silk ribbon--it seems like the best option, color-wise, but our local stores seem to have eliminated their silk ribbon embroidery sections, and I'm not sure where else to look...?

Keep the ideas coming, all!
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Kate XXXXXX on August 13, 2012, 10:03:25 PM
For the narrow silk ribbon, I used silk ribbon embroidery ribbon...
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: gem on August 19, 2012, 07:19:23 AM
Do you guys think narrow organza ribbon will work? (Seems like it might be scratchy.) It's literally the only thing I can find in the right size and color. Mystifyingly, every major craft store in the metro has eliminated its silk ribbon embroidery section! (It's all needle-felting now.)

Hmmm. I may be left with making something, after all.
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Margaret on August 19, 2012, 09:13:36 AM
Of course it will *work*.  Any sort of ribbon or bias will *work*.  The main difference between material used is the annoyance factor.  Do you want it to stay tied - used something like the grosgrain that won't slip out.  Want a better look and maybe have to retie your stuff a bit more - go for the satin ribbons.

The organza will look pretty and depending on how you attatch it to your smock, it may not touch your skin at all.
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: gem on October 11, 2012, 12:58:57 PM
A quick bump to see if there's a rule of thumb for the *length* of the ties (collar & cuffs). Typically I would just cut a really long length and then cut off the excess afterward... but my ribbon is really pretty and I don't want to waste any.  (For some reason, my pattern doesn't say how long to make the ties!)

Gramercy!
Title: Re: Ties for smocks/chemises/partlets?
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on October 12, 2012, 05:48:21 AM
Quote from: gem on October 11, 2012, 12:58:57 PM
A quick bump to see if there's a rule of thumb for the *length* of the ties (collar & cuffs). Typically I would just cut a really long length and then cut off the excess afterward... but my ribbon is really pretty and I don't want to waste any.  (For some reason, my pattern doesn't say how long to make the ties!)

Gramercy!

Do you have any string or regular ribbon you could cut and use as a tie?  Then, when you find the right length on the string, you can cut it and use it as a guide for cutting your nice ribbon.