Could there be a possibility of a few no smoking pubs or performance areas at Sherwood? I am asking as I had to miss 2 weekends of TRF due to second hand smoke.I was very ill.TRF is getting to be a very smokey faire. I know it is outdoors but the smoke is everywhere and hard to avoid. I try to sit down in an area where no one is smoking to enjoy a show or eat something- and sure enough someone sits down and lights up next to me.The Sea Devil is impossible! I have not been able to see Iris and Rose. There are no non smoking venues at TRF. It is getting hard to avoid smoke and smokers. I am allergic - and Lord A died of lung cancer. I hope Sherwood will give some consideration to non smokers.
Thank you.* Steps off soap box.*
I second this request
Even as a smoker, I support this. Just give me an out of the way corner to smoke in...I will be more than happy. And Our Queen would be happy. Win-win.
I hadn't noticed it as an issue at Sherwood, but I've only been a couple of weekends.
I've been there every weekend for past couple years and not really noticed smokers, only the remains, especially when not placed in the butt cans.
Then again, most of my time is spent outside at smaller stages where the wind (and rain) moves the smoke quickly. The pub and seating areas might be different.
As an ex-smoker myself, I am usually acutely aware of smoke nearby.
Maybe I am finally getting over the intense cravings whenever I smell someone lighting up. After all, it's only been 23 years - 24 as of May 28, 2013, 10:43 p.m.
Sherwood is not as bad as TRF by amy stretch. But I forsee an acute problem as attendance continues to increase. I fill myself up with steriods and allergy medicine before faire just to avoid the worst of the reactions.
Even ONE non-smoking place would be a refuge for allergy sufferers like me...and even more sensitive ones like Queen Bonnie.
The owners/management of Sherwood have always been quite responsive to suggestions. It would certainly be good to nip the problem early, before it gets out of hand. For someone like Sholo, who already had an episode this year, the smoke could be life-threatening.
Certainly, for any area of congregation—seating areas for shows, pubs, restaurants—should all be non-smoking areas.
Anyone caught flipping their butts should be drawn and quartered! Well, that may be extreme, but good grief, people! I can't stand thoughtless people!
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on November 17, 2012, 07:08:08 AM
Anyone caught flipping their butts should be drawn and quartered! Well, that may be extreme, but good grief, people! I can't stand thoughtless people!
I second this too!!!
Field dress 'em and toss your butts in a trash can... it isn't hard...
*habit i picked up in the Army* ;)
My dad would do that. I got into the habit of squeezing them out, and dropping the butts into the cellophane of my pack until I came upon a container. My son (who's never smoked) got tickled at me once when we were visiting him in NYC. I made a point to find a container as we walked down this one street that was actually rather trashed.
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on November 17, 2012, 07:08:08 AM
The owners/management of Sherwood have always been quite responsive to suggestions. It would certainly be good to nip the problem early, before it gets out of hand. For someone like Sholo, who already had an episode this year, the smoke could be life-threatening.
Certainly, for any area of congregation—seating areas for shows, pubs, restaurants—should all be non-smoking areas.
Anyone caught flipping their butts should be drawn and quartered! Well, that may be extreme, but good grief, people! I can't stand thoughtless people!
Nonsmoking areas would be great! I can't stand it when someone starts puffing away a few feet from me, and their smoke starts making me cough. (Also has allergies.)
This a Great Idea. Alot (not all) of smokers have no consideration about offending other non smokers with there habit. have a few smoking areas (not right in front of the gate either). More and more places are NOT allowing this, Why not the faires. GREAT IDEA.....................Huzzah
Quote from: Lady Kett on November 15, 2012, 06:21:36 PM
Even as a smoker, I support this. Just give me an out of the way corner to smoke in...I will be more than happy. And Our Queen would be happy. Win-win.
Lady Kett is one of the most considerate smokers that I know. It's sad that a few inconsiderate people have led us to plead for more rules and regulations.
Working in a garb shoppe at Sherwood, and close to other garb shoppes and food venders, we get both smokers and nonsmoker. But the smokes are good in not standing to close to the shoppes with a lit cigarette and using the butt buckets, buckets of sand. The higher ups are very great in that they will listen to what everyone has to say.
This is not as bad a problem yet at Sherwood , as it is at TRF . Many other faires are non smoking and very successful. We need to think of solutions before it gets to be a problem like TRF. TRF needs designated breathing smoke free areas!I want Sherwood to be a healthy faire! It is very unhealthy for children as well as allergic folks like me- and the poor performers- to be subjected to smoke all day everywhere!
I have not been to any faires yet that are non-smoking, but most have discouraged smoking in the areas of performances. If I were still smoking, I would likely not attend a faire that did not permit smoking on premises. Designated smoking areas are a good compromise.
I agree with what some others have said in this thread ; this isn't a problem at Sherwood right now. However, I really don't see it being an issue from Rennies at least. From the get-go, Sherwood has stressed that they want to be a family friendly faire inside the gates, and that's wonderful! I would assume most smoking Rennies would hear those words and do everything in their power to keep their smoke away from little lungs. However, I am not taking into account any Danes that come in ( or other weird hangers on... Quick Side note ; during the Celtic Fest, my clan had two ravers come up to our camp asking for bacon. I still don't know what to think of that ) or anyone else that sees that and ignores it. On the other hand, I would love a sit down place to smoke. I hate feeling rushed when smoking one of my cloves, and smoking is supposed to be relaxing anyway.
In short, it's something to discuss, but I really don't see billowing smoke clouds in the future for awhile, if at all.
i actually like the idea. we will talk about it at our next admin meeting. i will recommend the new enclosed pub be our test. thanks, rengypsy
Quote from: rengypsy on November 28, 2012, 10:32:40 AM
i actually like the idea. we will talk about it at our next admin meeting. i will recommend the new enclosed pub be our test. thanks, rengypsy
Huzzah! Also, because of the Hookah lounge, my husband has a newfound love of smoking hookah. It is literally his favorite place in the fair; sit down, smoke, and watch people go by. It even beats out the joust, albeit by a small margin :D
Quote from: scarletnyx on November 28, 2012, 10:00:39 AM
I agree ... ( or other weird hangers on... Quick Side note ; during the Celtic Fest, my clan had two ravers come up to our camp asking for bacon. I still don't know what to think of that ) ...
Off-topic – do not bother to read unless you are curious.
Why would ravers ask for bacon?
Some proclaim to be PLUR (peace, love, unity, respect – yeah, right, as long as they get their way)
Big theme for ravers, music scene.
Somewhere along the line bacon got picked up in the themes (high calorie, energy packed?)
Tee shirts with PEACE, LOVE, UNITY, RESPECT AND BACON STRIPS printed on the front.
Add in a performer (band?) named Bacon.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, when people like me can do a quick Google search for anything and come up with this then the "scene" is passé and no longer relevant to the cutting edge of music or whatever.
That's why Facebook is doomed. The day I opened an account, it was way past the mainstream point and into the toddling stage. ::)
Quote from: *Teach* on December 02, 2012, 11:06:59 AM.... The current wave of banning smoking from everywhere (even bars which baffles me) has gotten a bit extreme I think.
There is a flip side as well, I do get aggravated when I find a place to smoke and people who weren't there before show up and then ask me to move. I was there first, you made the choice to come where I am.
That was my two cents. Just asking for consideration for all sides.
*stepping off my rumbox now*
Valid points, Teach. If you were there first, they have no right to ask you to leave, unless you're in an area that is normally used for groups congregating...stage seating, for instance.
A compromise was reached in Arkansas which allows the establishment (bars/restaurants) to choose, but in choosing to permit smoking, keeps the establishment to 21+. Where performers are working, this can work both ways. Some have no difficulty in smokey rooms, others cannot work in those conditions.
There were several times at TRF this year that someone was smoking right by me in the seating area for a show. That's not cool at all. I do tend to expect it more at Sea Devil Tavern for instance, but it is also a performance area. This issue has never cropped up for me a single time at Sherwood, though.
Folks, lets try not to enact the shotgun effect. I.E., let not punish all smokers because of a very select few idiots.
I currently do not smoke, but have off and on for over 25 years. And I do my best to not smoke around anyone who is a non-smoker. Most smokers do tend to respect those around them so as not to cause any issues. We are running out of places to smoke. But there are those few idiots that do not care about anyone else but themselves. So, if anything, management needs to punish those few.
I, for one, would not visit a faire that banned smoking or limited it so very few select areas.
I am a non-smoker and actually developed health problems from second-hand smoke. I do have friends who smoke and I understand their desires and rights. I don't believe it is unreasonable to ask that shops (as indoor spaces with potentially damageable merchandise) be declared smoke-free. Performance spaces, as places where people sit in close proximity for longer period, would also be preferable as smoke-free. I can keep walking in the lanes to avoid smoke but the debate for me is regarding food places or seating by food vendors.
Quote from: Glaodian on December 03, 2012, 11:05:46 AM
Folks, lets try not to enact the shotgun effect. I.E., let not punish all smokers because of a very select few idiots.
.... (**snip**) ...
I, for one, would not visit a faire that banned smoking or limited it so very few select areas.
I wouldn't call it a punishment, Glaodian. The fact is, it can be, and is, harmful to many, a mere irritant to others. It should not be allowed where people congregate (except to congregate to smoke).
Yeah, we are running out of places to smoke, but there's a reason for that. Don't forget we are also running out of smokers. Lots of us have quit. Lots of us have died. We're now down under 20% of the population smoking. When I started smoking, it was more than twice that. I've not had a puff in over 4 years.
HOWEVER! Having been an addicted smoker, I can tell you, I would NOT have been able to visit a faire that had banned smoking. Smoking areas should be provided, but at the same time, it may be necessary to make them rather remote to the rest of the faire. Some people I know are highly allergic to smoke.
Quote from: PollyPoPo on December 02, 2012, 08:21:56 AM
Quote from: scarletnyx on November 28, 2012, 10:00:39 AM
I agree ... ( or other weird hangers on... Quick Side note ; during the Celtic Fest, my clan had two ravers come up to our camp asking for bacon. I still don't know what to think of that ) ...
Off-topic – do not bother to read unless you are curious.
Why would ravers ask for bacon?
Some proclaim to be PLUR (peace, love, unity, respect – yeah, right, as long as they get their way)
Big theme for ravers, music scene.
Somewhere along the line bacon got picked up in the themes (high calorie, energy packed?)
Tee shirts with PEACE, LOVE, UNITY, RESPECT AND BACON STRIPS printed on the front.
Add in a performer (band?) named Bacon.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, when people like me can do a quick Google search for anything and come up with this then the "scene" is passé and no longer relevant to the cutting edge of music or whatever.
That's why Facebook is doomed. The day I opened an account, it was way past the mainstream point and into the toddling stage. ::)
Lol, I have no idea why they wanted it. We didn't have it, but they did get me craving bacon over a fire... Mmmm....
I may make a few enemies by saying this, but I agree whole-heartedly with setting up designated smoking areas at both Sherwood and TRF. For those out there who do smoke, you made that choice. People who chose not to burn and tar up their insides should not be forced to suffer just because you don't want to be inconvenienced.
Quote from: Tink on December 07, 2012, 07:39:08 PM
People who chose not to burn and tar up their insides should not be forced to suffer just because you don't want to be inconvenienced.
The phrase "tar up their insides" made me smile just now. Just saying. :)
Your wishes have been granted. The new Three Stags Pub will be a no smoking area. Performers will be casted who desire a no smoking environment.
BTW, this from a heavy smoker who bows to the desire of those who have kicked the habit.
Huzzah! I will enjoy having a place I can breathe fresh air and enjoy a performance without having to ask someone not to smoke!!! !!! Thanks Mike!!!
How great! Many thanks!