Does anyone know about this? I have heard several mentions of it, but I don't know what it actually is... I may want t prepare for this... :D:D
I've not heard of it, but you've piqued my interest!
I have seen this at other faires. Basically you just do things a little wrong. I have seen noble dress with a poodle skirt and sweater, vikings dressed with viking football jersey, things just out of whack. I'm sure others can explain it better than I.
Does Scarby have one?
i have heard that they do, and it is in may sometime. I was going to make something new to wear for it....!!!! I suppose we shall see.
I'll see what I can find out.
They don't have an "official" one but it normally resides on the last Sunday of the season. Note it's not on that Monday, but that Sunday.
Basically ya, just dress wrong. I wore my Starfleet uniform one year ..
Scarby PLAYTRONS do a DoW on the last Sunday of the season. It is not in any way sanctioned by the festival management, cast, vendors, or employees. In past years, I participated (the first year, my bodice became a tribute to Elvis by wrapping it in Elvis fabric, and I wore blue suede Medieval Moccasins), but as I'm working full time in a shoppe these days, I no long take part in those festivities.
As I understand it, other festivals do it on the last day of the season, but because our last day is Memorial Day, we reserve that day to honor current and former military personnel and close the season on a lovely note.
We've been to Scarby a couple of times when the DoW occurred. Things get generally outrageous. We haven't participated in that way... I'm not that brave.
We...the QOH will not be participating in the DOW
SEveral groups no longer participate in the DOW because of well....incidents. I believe Clan McGiggle will opt out this year as well but I am not their spokesperson.
I believe I recall a post quite a while back from one of the upper echelon cast members who was not at all keen on the concept. Either her post, or a resulting comment, stated that it could give a first-time attendee a completely warped image of the faire. I would have to agree with that, but then I'm not real keen on some of the other things I see. Opening weekend, it was Predator.
I know everyone is there to have fun. On DoW, Predator would have fit right in. It almost seems like we're turning into a cosplay park, because this kind of costuming is occurring throughout the season. VIII said a while back that it didn't bother him, and who am I to argue with the King. I'm not saying everyone must be HA, but could we at least hold it to the same millennium?
Meh... I'm off-course on the OT, which is par for the course. If the cast doesn't particularly care for DoW, there is no chance I would participate.
well, somebody in particular has never liked the DOW and after the fire last year, they made a pitch to ditch it forever with some half-assed connection to the tragedy.
Frankly, I don't think cast should dictate what the patrons do but for some reason, the cast here has influence and a lot of people are just fall right into line.
Ive never personally participated but i don't think badly of those who do. I think its a fun day and kinda cool to see people do it.
But by all means, feel free to continue to the tradition and don't feel pressured not to because of others who have chosen not to participate in it further.
Quote from: SQiRL on April 17, 2013, 06:23:40 AM
well, somebody in particular has never liked the DOW and after the fire last year, they made a pitch to ditch it forever with some half-assed connection to the tragedy.
Frankly, I don't think cast should dictate what the patrons do but for some reason, the cast here has influence and a lot of people are just fall right into line.
Ive never personally participated but i don't think badly of those who do. I think its a fun day and kinda cool to see people do it.
But by all means, feel free to continue to the tradition and don't feel pressured not to because of others who have chosen not to participate in it further.
As to cast dictating what patrons do, I believe that it is absolutely reasonable that they respectfully request that their "support groups" (i.e. QOH, Royal Guard, Ladies in waiting) that are comprised of patron/playtrons not engage, for the simple reason that folks who aren't there all the time (either because they're first time attendees or because they live far away and aren't active on these or other internet boards/groups) have no idea that those groups are indeed paying customers as well and not actually part of the festival, thus it might appear to them that cast/management not only condones the inaccuracy, but participates in it.
I am a member of the aforementioned Clan MacGiggle, but I'm so busy in the shoppe that I'm really not up on what all is planned, other than the Laird has requested that the Clan be in appearance this coming Saturday. I'm also not wearing the clan colors due to my full-time presence in the shoppe. In past years, when I was working part time in the shoppe, I had a little more freedom to participate and wear the colors, and I did. Last year was my first year really full time, and the first time I did not participate.
This cast is pretty amazing... from what I have seen of faires, they seem to be a bit more organzied and cohesive, mainly because the common thread of HA. I think it would be hard for them to maintain the HA if they were not so rigid in their influence (which really, I wouldn't use the term rigid, they just hold themselves to high standards, and invite others to match those standards).
I understand what you mean SQiRL, about cast dictating what the patrons do... but I think thats up to the individual, and how they want to play at faire. .. I like to associate with the cast a faire ammount (hahaha see what I did there?), court dance etc, so I have to play by their rules a bit more than a playtron who wants to go and do their own thing. I asked about my wig for that reason... but really, if you aren't associating with cast in a significant way, I don't think it matters much what you do or how you play.
As for the Predator fellow, hmm... I feel badly for him. On one hand, I know what it is like to want to express your inner freak and wear something you obviously have time/money invested in. But then there is the obvius fact that he has NOTHING to do with history, faires, etc. I have to agree, I don't think we have a place for the sci-fi guys. I think it's only an issue because so many ren faire dorks are also sci-fi dorks (I am one of them)... *gotta keep 'em seperated*
Quote from: Oswyn Fenecote on April 17, 2013, 08:48:25 AM*gotta keep 'em seperated*
I hope I'm not the only one that starting singing the Offspring when I read this!
I know that I, personally, attended Scarborough for the first time to travel back in time. I expected HA and, for the most part, wasn't too disappointed. Then I started researching putting together garb, and joined the forums here, etc, etc... Apparently ALL Faires are experiencing this epidemic of turning into Cosplay parks. It's disappointing for me and people like me who are looking for an actual time-machine type experience. Predator and others irritate me with their presence. I was appalled to see an entire shop (whose presence dictates faire sanctioning) dedicated to SteamPunk. I LOATHE my own trousers for having pockets! (Which I did NOT know about upon purchase as I was ordering online) And don't even get me started on the dude that made a kilt out of Marine Corps digital camouflaged utilities! (Merlin, I'm sure your son would have a thing or two to say about him too I'm sure)
And Technically we shouldn't see Merlin and other wizards if you want to get totally HA. Hell, even most of the shows, booths, and foods aren't HA in some way!
Really? Peasants chowing down on a huge turkey leg?!? Pizza? Far East Stir fry in London? Mermaids? Living trees? And my FAVORITE show of all, Arthur Greenleaf Holmes was born in 1547, but is reciting his poetry in 1533?!? If one was to get hung up on HA, they could never enjoy themselves at all at any faire!
For someone like me, coming for the first time ever on a DoW would greatly decrease my desire to return.
THAT being said... While faire may, possibly, have been intended to be like this when the idea was birthed, it's a living thing and has evolved over time! (as does everything) You have countless people all adding input into the environment and electricity of the Faire. But the main idea (as with ALL forms of entertainment) is that Faire is a place for FUN not judgement! When I see things like Predator walking around, I just take a moment to remember he/she is just out to have a good time in some way. I then turn and walk swiftly in another direction as to not let it ruin my day! It helps to have other patrons/playtrons to hook up with who have given effort for their garb to be HA! Which is why I'm thankful for getting to know everyone on these forums! At the end of the day, no matter what it is (Faire or otherwise) everything comes down to two questions: "Did you enjoy your time?" and "Were you around people you enjoy and love?"
While having no real problem with DoW its never been my thing. I go to faire to have fun AND enjoy the emersion into history so DoW doesn't fit into what I'm after at faire. While I understand that people what a change to wear their star trek uniforms, star wars costume, anime costume or the lastest Predator I do find it a little annoying. I undestand that there are only four or five sicence fiction animation conventions a year in the local/state area were they can wear their costume and faire seems to the uninformed a good place to add another I do find it a little disrespectful of the cast and those wearing grab. I attent four of the local science fiction and anime conventions in the area and would never think of wearing my grab to one it just wouldn't be respectful to the cosplayers.
That said they pay their money and as long as they are not being outright offensive or trying to join in the shows its not a big deal. I just ignore them and focus on what I enjoy about faire.
Quote*gotta keep 'em seperated*
I hope I'm not the only one that starting singing the Offspring when I read this!
I thought it as i typed it! hahahaha
Its funny tho, some of the purists actually scoffed ta me and my wig! I got several bitchy reactions about how it was 200 years late. (which i already knew, obviously). I think you have the right idea Otwell: If you dont like what you're seeing, go the other way. My feelings werent hurt because I'm invinceable, but someone elses could have been by their attitudes. So, there ya have it. :)
Cosplay has been pretty evident at faire these last few years. But then again so was Jack Sparrow......
Day of Wrong is fun. I love seeing what people come up with. It's the last Sunday of the Scarby season; have fun with it!!
Well put, Otwell.
I am an avid people-watcher, especially at faire, and I have to admit that some of the things I see just make me scratch my head. Personally I am not a huge fan of some of the "theme" weekends, but that's just me. I like to be at least somewhat HA (or at least in the ballpark).
Interesting point about faires nationwide becoming "cosplay parks" -- I've watched the evolution of this at Scarborough myself. For a long time when I first started going (twentymumble years ago), the only people you saw in any sort of costume were cast, employees, vendors, and performers. Patrons did not dress in costume at all; you'd see the occasional flowy skirt or kilt, but it wasn't really a costume per se. Then a few years later, you would see a few patrons here or there in garb, but nothing like it is today. Now it's sort of "anything goes", and I'm not sure why. Perhaps because of the rise in popularity of events like Comicon and steampunk events/costumes? Video games and anime? Who knows. All I know is that there is a lot of overlap in the Venn diagram of people who go to renaissance faires and scifi/fantasy/etc fans.
I do like that the cast keeps to a really high standard when it comes to costuming -- it may not be completely HA, but it is much more stringent than many realize. Also, you generally won't see the things the castmembers wear in any of the shops -- their costumes are very unique and usually are custom made.
And now we've reached a point where many patrons do wear garb or costumes (and I think there *is* a difference between these things), and many of them choose to wear things that are not period-appropriate or are outright fantasy/sci fi. And that's okay -- they after all are paying to be there; they can wear whatever they want as long as it's not illegal. Some of it is downright weird to see at a ren faire, but I try not to judge. As for side-eyeing and judgement of what people are wearing, I see most of that coming from other patrons or playtrons; I have not ever heard a cast member or employee scoffing or criticizing what a patron wears.
Quote from: SQiRL on April 17, 2013, 06:23:40 AM
well, somebody in particular has never liked the DOW and after the fire last year, they made a pitch to ditch it forever with some half-assed connection to the tragedy.
Frankly, I don't think cast should dictate what the patrons do but for some reason, the cast here has influence and a lot of people are just fall right into line.
Ive never personally participated but i don't think badly of those who do. I think its a fun day and kinda cool to see people do it.
But by all means, feel free to continue to the tradition and don't feel pressured not to because of others who have chosen not to participate in it further.
I wasn't trying to get your dander up, SQiRL. I don't think badly of
anyone. It's funny to those of us that are used to seeing these big, burly men in cocktail dresses rather than whatever their normal garb is. My point is simply that a neophyte, having no point of reference, might think that they have ended up at a Drag Festival, which in a conservative state, might be a bit awkward.
I have no reason to kowtow to the "somebody in particular" that you speak of. In all the years I've been going to that faire, I've had almost no direct contact with that person, who more than likely than not, sees me as just another nameless face that pops up from time to time. If I choose to agree with them, it is only because I
happen to agree with them. Like Bear, I'm there for a reason, and it just tends to distract me some from my enjoyment.
As for the cast, sure they have influence. They may be the primary reason some people even go to a faire. Of the 6 or so faires that I've attended, I have yet to find,
on the whole, a cast that can come anywhere close to Scarborough.
Regardless of how folks want to dress, in the long run, I plan to enjoy myself, and I'll turn away from what I don't like. People don't need to get their bloomers in a wad over it.
While We're on this subject, I will ask your views on what I was personally thinking on...
I was going to create a bearded lady character named Manne Boelyn. The dress is planned to be an "average" court gown, in that I want to be pretty HA and beautiful as opposed to campy or ridiculous. I think the bearded aspect makes it comical enough (and my over the top personality of course).
I will probably do it anyway, but I def would be interested to hear your views, as this is slightly less "out there" compared to predator and cosplay shennanigans.
I have no problem with the character in and of it self in fact it sounds fun plus we have the fairy godfathers around now and again. But I'd change the name so that it doesn't appear to be a slight on the cast members who are portraying Boleyn characters.
Quote from: Oswyn Fenecote on April 17, 2013, 03:19:47 PMI was going to create a bearded lady character named Manne Boelyn. The dress is planned to be an "average" court gown, in that I want to be pretty HA and beautiful as opposed to campy or ridiculous.
Sounds fun... I'm looking forward to seeing this
...AS LONG AS YOU STAY PERIOD!!!
haha
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on April 17, 2013, 02:05:27 PM
I wasn't trying to get your dander up, SQiRL.
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No danders were gotten up dear merlin. :)
I was however personally involved in that bs last year and was asked to :cough: "LIE" about it by the somebody in particular. This more or less ruined Faire at Scarby for me. That person knows exactly what they were doing and what they were asking folks to do in private messages and to me, that kind of political game doesn't belong in a Patron/Cast environment.
But on a lighter note....
I too am offended at the cosplay at scarby but not at the folks to came but more at the management at scarby for inviting it in. Last year in particular they had a photo contest for this activity.
Yet... they fail to have a photo contest of regular garb wearing folks....
le sigh
Quote from: SQiRL on April 17, 2013, 08:52:08 PMNo danders were gotten up dear merlin. :)
What DID Merlin get up then?!? :o
Quote from: SQiRL on April 17, 2013, 08:52:08 PMYet... they fail to have a photo contest of regular garb wearing folks...
That WOULD be really cool actually!
I vote Merlin the Elder!!!
DOW is really a thing for the 'regulars' as they are the only ones that understand it. Personally I like to see close to HA (I don't want people who have not bathed, have fleas and have been working in sh*tbrook all day to be at faire :) ). I do think it is confusing to the 'outsiders' who may be attending for the first time. I guess I would rather see DOW though than steampunk. But hey, you paid to get in, so do what you like.
Well Now I'm DYING to know what happened last year... I don't want to make the same mistake, or be involved in shennanigans! sOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN. :)
Quote from: SQiRL on April 17, 2013, 08:52:08 PM
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on April 17, 2013, 02:05:27 PM
I wasn't trying to get your dander up, SQiRL.
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I was however personally involved in that bs last year and was asked to :cough: "LIE" about it by the somebody in particular. This more or less ruined Faire at Scarby for me. That person knows exactly what they were doing and what they were asking folks to do in private messages and to me, that kind of political game doesn't belong in a Patron/Cast environment.
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I understand, SQiRL. Not being a local, I miss (thankfully) some of the adverse things that may occur. But, I'm rather hard-headed. I've seen things at several faires that I didn't like at all. I refuse to let it ruin my faire-time. I shall hope that you will not let it ruin
your faire-time.
I participate in DOW whenever I get the chance. I am not HA in any sense anyways as I dress pirate.
Once upon a time us pirate types were the ones frowned on because we didn't "belong" at a renaissance faire.
Worrying about what someone else is wearing is kind of petty to me. If it is that much of a distraction then every mundane out there should be a distraction for you as well. Along with the pubs, the majority of the foods and the bungee jumping.
Have your own fun folks! Ignore what isn't a part of what you want to do and let them have there own fun too.
Relax! It's Faire!
*rum isn't HA and I am not giving that up either*
Quote from: Oswyn Fenecote on April 18, 2013, 10:04:09 AM
Well Now I'm DYING to know what happened last year... I don't want to make the same mistake, or be involved in shennanigans! sOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN. :)
Lets just say that people had opinions and agendas, and it clashed with other peoples fun. The issue is now closed and folks who still participate in DOW still do, and those who now dont... no longer do.
Thanks for the advice merlin. I try not to let things like that get me down but sometimes i do. The reality is i just need to find some cool folks to hang out with more often when I do go and i will forget all about it :)
I really need to get back to taking pictures because ive yet to snap a single one at scarby and that is just sad.
Oh.. and i dont preach about HA due to being a musketeer. dont get me started lol - genre jumping on the other hand.... that kinda bugs me but hey, we are all having fun soooo to each their own i spose.
I only seek fun and high adventure!!
Hard to find cool people in Texas, SQiRL, unless it's early in the season. By the end of May, all the cool people are baked! 8)
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on April 18, 2013, 11:12:38 AM
I only seek fun and high adventure!!
Hard to find cool people in Texas, SQiRL, unless it's early in the season. By the end of May, all the cool people are baked! 8)
This is Texas please we're slow roasted like good Texas BBQ should be.
Quote from: SirRichardBear on April 18, 2013, 01:36:05 PM
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on April 18, 2013, 11:12:38 AM
I only seek fun and high adventure!!
Hard to find cool people in Texas, SQiRL, unless it's early in the season. By the end of May, all the cool people are baked! 8)
This is Texas please we're slow roasted like good Texas BBQ should be.
If you don't mind, I think I'll skip the BBQ'd Bear... ;D
I said this before somewhere on here about DOW, most hilarious costume I have seen is at Bristol
in Wisconsin. A complete, period, ladys' outfit made from either draperies or the bed linens of the Green
Bay Packers, topped with a cheesehead mini-hat. Picture that in your mind and don't laugh.
Quote from: *Teach* on April 18, 2013, 10:37:33 AM
I participate in DOW whenever I get the chance. I am not HA in any sense anyways as I dress pirate.
Once upon a time us pirate types were the ones frowned on because we didn't "belong" at a renaissance faire.
Worrying about what someone else is wearing is kind of petty to me. If it is that much of a distraction then every mundane out there should be a distraction for you as well. Along with the pubs, the majority of the foods and the bungee jumping.
Have your own fun folks! Ignore what isn't a part of what you want to do and let them have there own fun too.
Relax! It's Faire!
*rum isn't HA and I am not giving that up either*
amen to this. my garb isn't HA and if people look at me funny, so be it. i come to faire to have fun with my friends, a number of which are on cast and have no problem interacting with me. granted, i'm not the Predator or anything remotely close.. but i don't understand all the judgment on what people choose to wear. no one is forcing you to dress steampunk or sci-fi or anime. if seeing one or two or even a handful of people dressed like that really ruins the whole faire experience for you.. that is truly sad. i saw a whole Doctor Who invasion a few years back and i'm sure there were some people who disliked it, but they were there for ONE DAY, had a great time, and i saw many people who loved it. it's not like they're taking over. if you are that worried about them (possibly maybe eventually but probably not) outnumbering people who dress HA or close to it, then start getting more of your mundane friends into faire.. or talk to these sci-fi/steampunk people and see what their motivation for their costume is. maybe they don't really know what they would wear to a ren faire under normal circumstances but they want to wear SOMETHING and just need some help figuring it out. the person in that Predator costume or steampunk costume could potentially be a great asset to the playtron group if we, rather than judge them, try to include them. who knows, i'm just rambling and speculating here and i'm gonna hop off my soapbox after one last thought.. if we are so worried about what people think on DoW, do we really want them to think we (playtrons) are judgmental snobs who refuse to associate with mundanes or people dressed un-HA because of what they wear? i think we are better than that. at least i really hope we are.
I think DOW is OK, since it is usually a 'play' on the garb we wear. I think Predator is a bit over the top, and when people see it they may then get the idea that anything costume is OK.
I don't even try to be HA although I do wear mostly items from Ren Faire vendors. My pirate fairy garb is most assuredly not HA but the majority of it was purchased at Morescas or Boss Wench.
AFA the Time Travellers themed weekend last year, I know a lot of people didn't like it but IMO it seemed to keep 'that stuff' on that weekend. If you didn't like it at least you were only annoyed one weekend.
Just because some of prefer to dress in as close to period accurate clothing as we can doesn't mean we are judgemental towards the person who isn't. Having said that, it has been my experience that most of the people who wear alien costumes, Star Trek or Storm Troopers costumes to a Renaissance Faire are doing it for the shock and abrasiveness.
They are not interested in being included they just want to be the negative center of attention. After years of trying I finally gave up on most of them and I now group them with the shrubbery and the mundanes.
Sorry if that makes some think bad of me, but I will not allow them to ruin my faire experience.
DOW used to be funny when you did things like made a period accurate Tudor out Halloween Fabric.
But the last several years it has become more like something out of a Parisian peepshow frankenfurter nightmare.
Quote from: DonaCatalina on April 24, 2013, 04:56:37 AM
Just because some of prefer to dress in as close to period accurate clothing as we can doesn't mean we are judgemental towards the person who isn't. Having said that, it has been my experience that most of the people who wear alien costumes, Star Trek or Storm Troopers costumes to a Renaissance Faire are doing it for the shock and abrasiveness.
They are not interested in being included they just want to be the negative center of attention. After years of trying I finally gave up on most of them and I now group them with the shrubbery and the mundanes.
Sorry if that makes some think bad of me, but I will not allow them to ruin my faire experience.
DOW used to be funny when you did things like made a period accurate Tudor out Halloween Fabric.
But the last several years it has become more like something out of a Parisian peepshow frankenfurter nightmare.
where's the like button ?
please don't take what i'm saying as an attack to anyone here, it's not. i'm not saying that everyone is judgmental, faaaaaaaaaar from it, just that everyone deserves their fair shake. if they are doing it for shock value then no, there is no reason to include them in your faire experience and it's perfectly okay to pretend they're not there. even though i don't know most of you personally (despite the fact that i've been doing scarby near religiously for years) i know rennies are some of the most accepting people in the world, but just like we are not all the same, neither are the people who may come dressed in what some of us may view as inappropriate. i also know some rennies (while it may not be the case) can come off as snobby and unaccepting, even to their own 'kind.' i'm simply trying to play devil's advocate here. what if someone came to faire in steampunk stuff because it was the closest they had and they still wanted to participate in SOME manner, possibly while checking out their options to actually purchase ren faire garb (had personal friends do this)? there are many, many possibilities as to their motivation and i respect the people who HAVE gone out of their way to speak to or try and include the people who wear these costumes. we just have to be careful to not paint them all with the same brush. DoW is about having fun. yes. hell, that's what the entire renfaire experience is about. if you choose not to participate, then so be it. the furthest i've ever gone has been steampunk. but DoW is one day out of many, and not everyone participates anyways so chances are anyone who comes on DoW is not going to assume that scarby is a giant fenced-in anything goes type of place.
we were all patrons once, some of us not too long ago. if faire speaks to you, it speaks to you. it tugs at your heart to be 'one of us' and to exist where there is magic. in my experience, it doesn't matter what everyone else is wearing. you know when you find your 'home.' i may not know you all personally, but can bet you all felt that same calling. i don't think any of us come to faire ONLY to play dress-up in heavy, silly clothing in the middle of texas summer.
Quote from: Trigger on April 24, 2013, 08:22:18 AMso chances are anyone who comes on DoW is not going to assume that scarby is a giant fenced-in anything goes type of place.
I think some people's main concern here is for the people who have never been to renfest, or have moved to the area after casually, not participatorily, attending a different ren fest. If they were to come on DoW, and had NO idea that DoW even existed, and just happened to come on the day of DoW, and had NO idea that it was going on... conceivably, yes, they could think that about scarby... I think that is, probably, the major concern here.
I understand what you're saying, Trigger. If it were to be held to DoW, I wouldn't really have an issue with it. As you say, it's a all about fun.
It may be that I'm missing something on the other days. I'm not advocating for strict HA, because quite frankly, a lot of us don't have the money, or the time, or the ability to buy or create different costumes for different faires, but at least we are attempting to fit into the spirit of the faire, be it Medieval or Renaissance. Star Wars isn't in the same millennium, much less the same galaxy.
I'm not being judgmental, but I am trying to understand the reasoning behind it (outside of DoW).
PS: Gauwyn, here you go:
(http://www.oldmerlin.com/img/like.jpg)
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on April 24, 2013, 08:35:57 AMI am trying to understand the reasoning behind it (outside of DoW).
From a Sociological perspective, in large groups that carry one theme, if you deviate slightly... IE: In our world, dressing as a wizard, a pirate, Mermaid, walking tree, etc would be merely attempting to show one's personality without deviating too far from the established social norm (IE 1533 period dress). These people, typically, aren't trying to rock the boat, but merely fit in with the established social norm, whilst still being able to hold on to, and display their own uniqueness and personality (usually a personality type that pushes social norms, but not shatter them).
In the same large group setting, those who deviate greatly... IE: Predator, Star Trek, anime cos-play, etc Are, typically, just wanting attention. Negative attention, positive attention, this doesn't matter (which is one reason they may show up to a ren faire in this dress).
Now, as always, we're dealing with humans here, so no one analysis can possibly analyze all variables. Thus, there are exceptions to every rule. However, the exceptions are usually a statistical anomaly, and will most likely fall into the 5% or less range of the total (but more likely around 3% or less).
outside of DoW, i dunno someone's motivation other than what Dona Catalina said.. shock value. i was speaking more directly towards DoW, or more in the realm of steampunk outside of DoW (since steampunk can still sometimes look somewhat similar to what people wear to faire.. my steampunk stuff, outside of accessories, came from the same places i get my garb). i think my synapses got all tangled in the process. Predator, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc don't really belong at a faire nor would they really come to mind if i was a patron and thought "hmm.. i want to dress up and go to the ren faire.. what should i wear?"
anyways, if people insist on participating on DoW, then maybe those of us who don't should go out of our way (especially around patrons), to point out NICELY or jokingly that a person IS participating. even if you are just loudly commenting to your friends. as for the rest of the season, the best bet is to ignore them i suppose if they're dressed so far out of the realm of possibility of trying to blend in.
unfortunately we can really only police ourselves as to what we wear. Predator paid his money to get in and, while we may not agree with what he wears, as long as it doesn't harm anyone there's nothing to be done other than trying to educate them. :/ if i had it my way, EVERYONE would be a playtron and dress at least somewhat HA.. but sadly there will always be jean shorts and flipflops in scarby.
This thread is now silly, which DOTW is supposed to be but a different silly. Have I worn a TOS Star Trek uniform on DOTW before? Yes I have .. Was it was because I was wanting to be malicious and attract the wrong kind of attention to myself? Not at all, I was doing it for the fun! Before you start making assumptions about folks doing such things you may want to actually talk to folks that have done it. Hell, I've seen pictures of some very well known and respected performers from Scarby doing DOTW in Starfleet uniforms at other festivals ..
If I had it my way I'd ban all the Pirate stuff, at least Starfleet is positive .. Pirates were basically gangs on a boat :-P
I have to echo that if I dress in Steampunk garb at SRF it's not to draw undue attention to myself. As odd as this may sound from someone who likes to dress up (mine & Al-Nimers yearly Halloween Costumes are eagerly anticipated at our church every year) I don't like drawing attention to myself. I try to fall within the parameters.
I haven't decided if I'm going to wear my SP garb this season to SRF. It will depend on weather & lots of other factors. But I can say, without a doubt, that I'm not looking to ruin faire for others or be the center of attention. I have too much social anxiety for that.
okay, i think this thread has turned into something it was never meant to be. the forums aren't a place for us to attack each other for our choices in dress. whether i choose to be a pirate or someone else chooses to be Predator are our own decisions, and i think we have to accept that, like it or not.
i honestly don't care what people do on DoW. wear whatever you want. it's not any of our places to tell someone what is or isn't appropriate (save the people who actually work at scarby and are concerned for safety reasons). me expressing my desire for EVERYONE to dress somewhat HA was more geared towards mundanes because i would love for it to be more of a live renaissance town than an amusement park. it was not aimed at anyone who already does dress up or chooses to dress silly for DoW.
basically, we can express our opinions here all day if we want, people are gonna do what they wanna do. we can speculate their reasons, but as replicant and i have pointed out, it's better to actually speak to them about it. especially if it's a playtron. people come to faire for myriad different reasons, so we can't assume that, just because they're not dressed HA, they are coming to garner negative attention.
some disagree with DoW on a general level. that's fine. some disagree with people dressing completely un-HA on DoW. that's fine. some think DoW in all its forms is fine, but that people should not dress in un-HA costumes during the rest of the faire. that's also fine. some people give a rat's arse as to what people wear period. fine as well. nothing about faire is mandatory other than the rules set out by scarby management.
anyhow, i think i shall return to my gang on a boat now.
What is "wrong" at faire changes. Once upon a time, people resisted pirates and musketeers. Strangely I have yet to hear complaints about fairies/trolls/etc. and the ren-hippies. They are not remotely accurate but people accept it unblinkingly because it fits in the "spirit of faire." Really? What is the "spirit of faire?" Most people come out to escape the mundane; to get out of the box so to speak. By effectively saying "this is our faire, you will dress in XYZ or in danes" you are not letting people out of the box, simply putting them on a leash. It isn't the steampunkers and cosplayers fault they only have two con weekends in the area to wear their clothes. I would love to see a multi-weekend outdoor festival devoted to steampunk, and I do believe there is a market for it. They have all this steamy energy built up and the ren-fest is the first release they get. How many of us have worn garb or done something Renaissance related in the off season to get our fix. There is an entire thread about "freaking the mundanes." Can we not accept it when the tables are turned? Renaissance festivals are not meant to be historically accurate, that is what the SCA is for.
I do sympathize with the people who want more accuracy. I can see where the garb trend has spread out where it can be confusing as to what time period it is supposed to be. To me, that is what the cast is for. They set the standard, and the patrons can choose to follow or not. Right now we just have a growing number of not. I love costumes so it personally doesn't bother me. I'd rather see a well done steampunk than a Halloween store pirate.
Day of Wrong was started as a day for those who dress more or less in period to cut loose and have some fun. Now they just won't be out of the ordinary.
What's with all the people at faire that dress as 21st century 'ordinary' people?? :P
Quote from: Gauwyn of Bracknell on April 25, 2013, 08:55:14 AM
What's with all the people at faire that dress as 21st century 'ordinary' people?? :P
LIKE! ;)
Quote from: replicant on April 24, 2013, 09:10:46 PM
I've seen pictures of some very well known and respected performers from Scarby doing DOTW in Starfleet uniforms at other festivals ..
NO WAY!!! Our good King and Robin would NEVER do tha...
(http://www.stalkwell.com/public/keep_linked/Starfleet0349as5.jpg)
Oops... Never Mind!!! Set Phasers to
EMBARASS...
Stalk well...
ruh roh raggy...
Looks like our good King is slated to die this episode!
Quote from: Otwell Throckmorton on April 25, 2013, 02:04:54 PM
Looks like our good King is slated to die this episode!
I'm coming, Kingy Boy!!!
Waves Photoshop Magic Wand Tool and...
POOF... (http://www.stalkwell.com/public/keep_linked/Starfleet0349as5_ScienceOfficer.jpg)
Science Officer!!
(Sorry Robin, ran out of digital spray paint. After all, one must have expendables on the landing party when all the rest are officers ...)
Stalk well...
Quote from: Otwell Throckmorton on April 25, 2013, 02:04:54 PM
ruh roh raggy...
Looks like our good King is slated to die this episode!
Actually no .. Those are officer uniforms from the TOS movie era, not TOS. Security in the TOS movie era wore a completely different style. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Stalkwell on April 25, 2013, 02:54:11 PM
Science Officer!!
(Sorry Robin, ran out of digital spray paint. After all, one must have expendables on the landing party when all the rest are officers ...)
Stalk well...
Nope, they didn't have *any* blue command uniforms in the TOS Movie era! :o ;D ;)
I'll quit now .. But I will leave this right here (TNG Era, again didn't mean security):
(http://i.imgur.com/Swom0IT.jpg)
Before anyone took ANY of this TOO seriously, I wanted to wish everyone a Happy Festivus. ::)
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on April 25, 2013, 06:14:05 PM
Before anyone took ANY of this TOO seriously, I wanted to wish everyone a Happy Festivus. ::)
Now that is what DOW is about - I like.
Hey replicant, nice uniform! Last year I dressed as "Kilt-punk Picard" for "Time Travelers Weekend"...I know that the Stalkwell's (among many others) took pics, but I can't find the link at the moment. I must say, on that day I absolutely, hands down, had the most fun I've ever had at Scarby. The best thing about being a time-travelling kilted captain? Carrying all the weapons from different centuries!
Quote from: replicant on April 25, 2013, 05:40:20 PMActually no .. Those are officer uniforms from the TOS movie era, not TOS. Security in the TOS movie era wore a completely different style. ;D ;D ;D
My bad... I'm a StarWars fan... not a Trekkie
Quote from: Merlin the Elder on April 25, 2013, 06:14:05 PM
Before anyone took ANY of this TOO seriously, I wanted to wish everyone a Happy Festivus. ::)
OOH, OOH... Can I decorate the Festivus pole? (my favorite part is how much effort I must expend!)
ok, didn't want to commit the crime of a triple post...
but I waited all weekend... so oh well!
Thought this video fit this conversation nicely!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y3cnOpWbKr4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y3cnOpWbKr4#)
BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Well played, Otwell. Well played. :D
hahaha that video was a perfect addition to this thread. i laughed out loud when the guy knocked the robot's eye off and now the people at work think i'm crazy.. well.. craziER. XD
I, too, recommend Violence ;D
Quote from: Gauwyn of Bracknell on April 30, 2013, 11:22:15 AM
I, too, recommend Violence ;D
I'm SO in, as suggestion though. You need to knock BOTH eyes off the robot. They can see just as well with only one eye.
HAHAhaha.....LOVE IT!!