Day of Wrong?

[SirRichardBear]

While having no real problem with DoW its never been my thing.  I go to faire to have fun AND enjoy the emersion into history so DoW doesn't fit into what I'm after at faire.   While I understand that people what a change to wear their star trek uniforms, star wars costume, anime costume or the lastest Predator I do find it a little annoying.   I undestand that there are only four or five sicence fiction animation conventions a year in the local/state area were they can wear their costume and faire seems to the uninformed a good place to add another I do find it a little disrespectful of the cast and those wearing grab.  I attent four of the local science fiction and anime conventions in the area and would never think of wearing my grab to one it just wouldn't be respectful to the cosplayers.

That said they pay their money and as long as they are not being outright offensive or trying to join in the shows its not a big deal.  I just ignore them and focus on what I enjoy about faire.

[Oswyn Fenecote]

*gotta keep 'em seperated*

I hope I'm not the only one that starting singing the Offspring when I read this!

I thought it as i typed it! hahahaha

Its funny tho, some of the purists actually scoffed ta me and my wig! I got several bitchy reactions about how it was 200 years late. (which i already knew, obviously).  I think you have the right idea Otwell: If you dont like what you're seeing, go the other way. My feelings werent hurt because I'm invinceable, but someone elses could have been by their attitudes. So, there ya have it.

[Bonny Pearl]

Cosplay has been pretty evident at faire these last few years.  But then again so was Jack Sparrow......

Day of Wrong is fun.  I love seeing what people come up with.  It's the last Sunday of the Scarby season; have fun with it!!

[skitter]

Well put, Otwell.
 
I am an avid people-watcher, especially at faire, and I have to admit that some of the things I see just make me scratch my head.  Personally I am not a huge fan of some of the "theme" weekends, but that's just me.  I like to be at least somewhat HA (or at least in the ballpark).

Interesting point about faires nationwide becoming "cosplay parks" -- I've watched the evolution of this at Scarborough myself.   For a long time when I first started going (twentymumble years ago), the only people you saw in any sort of costume were cast, employees, vendors, and performers.  Patrons did not dress in costume at all; you'd see the occasional flowy skirt or kilt, but it wasn't really a costume per se. Then a few years later, you would see a few patrons here or there in garb, but nothing like it is today.  Now it's sort of "anything goes", and I'm not sure why.  Perhaps because of the rise in popularity of events like Comicon and steampunk events/costumes? Video games and anime? Who knows.  All I know is that there is a lot of overlap in the Venn diagram of people who go to renaissance faires and scifi/fantasy/etc fans.

I do like that the cast keeps to a really high standard when it comes to costuming -- it may not be completely HA, but it is much more stringent than many realize.  Also, you generally won't see the things the castmembers wear in any of the shops -- their costumes are very unique and usually are custom made.

And now we've reached a point where many patrons do wear garb or costumes (and I think there *is* a difference between these things), and many of them choose to wear things that are not period-appropriate or are outright fantasy/sci fi.  And that's okay -- they after all are paying to be there; they can wear whatever they want as long as it's not illegal.  Some of it is downright weird to see at a ren faire, but I try not to judge.  As for side-eyeing and judgement of what people are wearing, I see most of that coming from other patrons or playtrons; I have not ever heard a cast member or employee scoffing or criticizing what a patron wears.

[Merlin the Elder]

well,  somebody in particular has never liked the DOW and after the fire last year,  they made a pitch to ditch it forever with some half-assed connection to the tragedy.

Frankly,  I don't think cast should dictate what the patrons do but for some reason,  the cast here has influence and a lot of people are just fall right into line.

Ive never personally participated but i don't think badly of those who do.  I think its a fun day and kinda cool to see people do it.

But by all means,  feel free to continue to the tradition and don't feel pressured not to because of others who have chosen not to participate in it further.

I wasn't trying to get your dander up, SQiRL. I don't think badly of anyone. It's funny to those of us that are used to seeing these big, burly men in cocktail dresses rather than whatever their normal garb is.  My point is simply that a neophyte, having no point of reference, might think that they have ended up at a Drag Festival, which in a conservative state, might be a bit awkward.

I have no reason to kowtow to the "somebody in particular" that you speak of.  In all the years I've been going to that faire, I've had almost no direct contact with that person, who more than likely than not, sees me as just another nameless face that pops up from time to time.  If I choose to agree with them, it is only because I happen to agree with them. Like Bear, I'm there for a reason, and it just tends to distract me some from my enjoyment.

As for the cast, sure they have influence. They may be the primary reason some people even go to a faire. Of the 6 or so faires that I've attended, I have yet to find, on the whole, a cast that can come anywhere close to Scarborough.

Regardless of how folks want to dress, in the long run, I plan to enjoy myself, and I'll turn away from what I don't like. People don't need to get their bloomers in a wad over it.

[Oswyn Fenecote]

While We're on this subject, I will ask your views on what I was personally thinking on...

I was going to create a bearded lady character named Manne Boelyn. The dress is planned to be an "average" court gown, in that I want to be pretty HA and beautiful as opposed to campy or ridiculous. I think the bearded aspect makes it comical enough (and my over the top personality of course).

I will probably do it anyway, but I def would be interested to hear your views, as this is slightly less "out there" compared to predator and cosplay shennanigans.

[SirRichardBear]

I have no problem with the character in and of it self in fact it sounds fun plus we have the fairy godfathers around now and again.  But I'd change the name so that it doesn't appear to be a slight on the cast members who are portraying Boleyn characters.

[Otwell Throckmorton]

I was going to create a bearded lady character named Manne Boelyn. The dress is planned to be an "average" court gown, in that I want to be pretty HA and beautiful as opposed to campy or ridiculous.

Sounds fun... I'm looking forward to seeing this

...AS LONG AS YOU STAY PERIOD!!!

haha

[SQiRL]

I wasn't trying to get your dander up, SQiRL.

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No danders were gotten up dear merlin.     

I was however personally involved in that bs last year and was asked to :cough: "LIE" about it by the somebody in particular.   This more or less ruined Faire at Scarby for me.  That person knows exactly what they were doing and what they were asking folks to do in private messages and to me,  that kind of political game doesn't belong in a Patron/Cast environment.

But on a lighter note....

I too am offended at the cosplay at scarby but not at the folks to came  but more at the management at scarby for inviting it in.  Last year in particular they had a photo contest for this activity.
Yet... they fail to have a photo contest of regular garb wearing folks....

le sigh

[Otwell Throckmorton]

No danders were gotten up dear merlin. 

What DID Merlin get up then?!?       

Yet... they fail to have a photo contest of regular garb wearing folks...

That WOULD be really cool actually!

I vote Merlin the Elder!!!

[Gauwyn of Bracknell]

DOW is really a thing for the 'regulars' as they are the only ones that understand it.  Personally I like to see close to HA (I don't want people who have not bathed, have fleas and have been working in sh*tbrook all day to be at faire ).  I do think it is confusing to the 'outsiders' who may be attending for the first time.  I guess I would rather see DOW though than steampunk.  But hey, you paid to get in, so do what you like.

[Oswyn Fenecote]

Well Now I'm DYING to know what happened last year... I don't want to make the same mistake, or be involved in shennanigans! sOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN.

[Merlin the Elder]

I wasn't trying to get your dander up, SQiRL.

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I was however personally involved in that bs last year and was asked to :cough: "LIE" about it by the somebody in particular.   This more or less ruined Faire at Scarby for me.  That person knows exactly what they were doing and what they were asking folks to do in private messages and to me,  that kind of political game doesn't belong in a Patron/Cast environment.

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I understand, SQiRL. Not being a local, I miss (thankfully) some of the adverse things that may occur.  But, I'm rather hard-headed. I've seen things at several faires that I didn't like at all. I refuse to let it ruin my faire-time. I shall hope that you will not let it ruin your faire-time.

[*Teach*]

I participate in DOW whenever I get the chance. I am not HA in any sense anyways as I dress pirate.
Once upon a time us pirate types were the ones frowned on because we didn't "belong" at a renaissance faire.
Worrying about what someone else is wearing is kind of petty to me. If it is that much of a distraction then every mundane out there should be a distraction for you as well. Along with the pubs, the majority of the foods and the bungee jumping.
Have your own fun folks! Ignore what isn't a part of what you want to do and let them have there own fun too.
Relax! It's Faire!

*rum isn't HA and I am not giving that up either*

[SQiRL]

Well Now I'm DYING to know what happened last year... I don't want to make the same mistake, or be involved in shennanigans! sOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN.

Lets just say that people had opinions and agendas,  and it clashed with other peoples fun.  The issue is now closed and folks who still participate in DOW still do,  and those who now dont... no longer do.

Thanks for the advice merlin.  I try not to let things like that get me down but sometimes i do.  The reality is i just need to find some cool folks to hang out with more often when I do go and i will forget all about it     

I really need to get back to taking pictures because ive yet to snap a single one at scarby and that is just sad.


Oh.. and i dont preach about HA due to being a musketeer.  dont get me started lol   -  genre jumping on the other hand.... that kinda bugs me but hey,  we are all having fun soooo to each their own i spose.