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Started by Glaodian, July 14, 2011, 11:32:26 AM

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FaeHollow

I wrote to them:
I am a participant and I heard the music on faire site Friday until 4 in the morning. A friend who is also a participant was staying with friends 2 miles from camp and she heard the music until 4 in the morning. I was at patrons camp until 11 on sat. night and heard the music getting so loud I finally headed back to participants camp. The roar was quieter than Friday but I still could hear it slightly at my camp. Point is... Alright patrons camp was irritated... So what like you say they can just "gtfo" but participants have to get up and create the magic of faire for you like minded fun loving people to enjoy... Without us there would be no faire. Take THAT into consideration. We cannot "gtfo" because we are faire. The magic happens because we show up. Blasting your party so loud that we cannot sleep is very inconsiderate and maybe you didn't know that we were bothered... But we were. End if story. And another point, your music could be heard 2 miles from camp... There are people that live in their own houses 2 miles from faire... Do you suggest they "gtfo" as well? As for blasting the "haters" away next season... Good luck. And, might I add, the general manager has been informed of not only the rave but of your attitudes. You can bet he is not happy and measures are already being put in place to prevent your wild all nighters from continuing. You think you are in the majority... But keep this up and you will see how overwhelming the majority really is... And it sure ain't the people on your side of the fence.
Leigh

Breandan

I also sent a note to TRF management informing them of the "official" TRF rave, including mentioning the fact that they are on private property without permission or permits, which creates a liability risk for faire if anything should happen. Methinks TRF's legal department is going to be a wee bit busy soon :) One could hope, anyway.
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Fenster

Quote from: crashbot on October 20, 2011, 11:36:26 PM
I don't understand what gives someone the right to advertise a "rave" on private property without the permission of the owners of said property. If something was to happen, which is seems more and more likely it will, TRF I assume would be legally liable. You would think mgmt would want to put the kabash on this sort of stuff in a hurry.


TRF on FB said they are aware and dealing with the problem. I do not think they were aware until this week of that DJ advertising and setting up his rave.  I think they will shut it down, as security has said, since I agree it brings up all kinds of legal issues.

Breandan

Terre sent me an email stating that they are aware of the DJ and the gathering and are handling it. Huzzah to Terre!
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Fenster

Quote from: Breandan on October 21, 2011, 10:53:16 AM
Terre sent me an email stating that they are aware of the DJ and the gathering and are handling it. Huzzah to Terre!
Yes, he seems to really be listening to complaints and concerns.

Also Huzzah to the people for taking a stand and not waiting for others to do so.

eloquentXI

Wow...something is actually getting done about this stuff...

....


....finally.


Thank you Terre and everyone at TRF for listening to us and caring about what we're saying!
Still Meggers, just a little more grown up now. :)

*Teach*

Ditto That Meggers.
A lot of people were not happy with Terre coming in and I must admit I was nervous about TRF being run by a new guy. Terre has so far convinced me that he has the best interest of both the faire and the more serious rennies in mind with what he has done thus far. He has done some things that I may not like (staff cuts) but when you look at the total picture I think he is doing pretty well. He definitely has shown that he listens to us "little people" and that in and of itself means a lot to me.

*Rum toast to ya Terre. I'm sure there will be more stuff we need to complain about later for ya.*
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FaeHollow

I love that we have a GM that is very present. Even if I don't continue working faire it us good to know Trf management is listening.
Leigh

Captain Teague

Glad to hear that actions are at least being discussed.


As to this self styled DJ.....well to me that is proof positive that some are using the cheaper prices and the grounds to stage their own venues. Obviously not sanctioned, licensed or approved by TRF. Just another example of someone using the privilege of a venues kindnesses (having camping at ALL, due to the extra expenses and insurance, etc ) to exploit their own pursuits.


Rave shows and Renaissance....no brainer. Those have nothing to do with each other. And I have to cringe at using the word Ravers, as the few I know have more sense and respect than that to push their styles into another genre just to have their events on someone else's dime.

I hope I am right in believing it will NOT come to a death or major bust to have this malarky come to an end, as I believe all those involved know precisely just how much that kind of bad press will devastate their reputations. And I also believe they can do some things to fix this issue rather than take the easy route of closing the camps. Things CAN be fixed. It HAS gone too far and will likely take the level of stormtrooper actions to weed out the undesirables and people are going to be peeved off. But when the dust clears, things will likely be more enjoyable for all who came to actually attend. At least that is what I believe.  :)
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Nina

Lord Dragon & all, stormtrooper action is exactly what happened this weekend.  There was a MAJOR police prescence all throughout the campground.  They were patrolling all the gravel roads on atv's and walking all throughout the campsites.  It may have seemed a bit much for some, but the ravers were not to be heard or seen that i could tell.  And we didn't camp in the family area either.  We were with friends and were able to enjoy ourselves and not have to put up with anyone trying to force their music or crazed drug antics on us.  We heard only music made by human hands on real live instruments and voices.  It was so nice.  It was what fair camping should be. Huzzah for positive change.

Captain Teague

The Code is the Law...

SolRac

IMO this weekend will be the true test. Hopefully it will be a great weekend! Me and the wifes Anniversary and i am wearing Part of my greenman garb and so is my son. Lets have a great time folks!

Bonny Pearl

Camp was good but so cold once the sun went down.  Researching the best price on patio heaters.  I've wanted one for our house and well now.... we need one for camp lol.
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SirRichardBear

Everything was pretty nice in the camp grounds this weekend, Only one really annoying drunk kid 19 or so who said I was lucky he didn't want to get his new axe all bloody,  what was really lucky for him was that I've gotten more tolerant in the past 10 years or so instead of taking his new toy away from him and sticking it someplace he would have found really uncomfortable I just laught at him and walked past him.  Not one person came up asking for free beer or were to score some drugs,  the music was drumming and some horns and it was mostly pleasent if cold walking around the camp grounds.  It was annoying that the camop next to us ran their old generator all night but at least it was a steady noise which after a few hours we could ignore.  But it does make one wish that beside quiet family camp that they had a no generator section.  The fire truck had to tell a couple of camps to put out their fire pit and tiki torchs which you would think everyone should know are not allowed this year.  The port-potties were kept clean and stocked and it was nice having large dumpsters set up around camp.  All in all looks like mannagement is taking the issues serious and working hard to correct.  Good job and thanks to the management
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Tink

Quick question: I have read several places that the burn ban has been lifted for Montgomery county, has it not been lifted for Grimes (isn't that the county for TRF?)
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Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - W. Shakespeare