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Title: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on May 17, 2008, 08:34:38 PM
 New to wearing a kilt? Start watching women in short skirts (-well more than you already do...) to study how they move while sitting down to avoid exposing themselves. You can learn some tips by following their example. That sweep of the hands underneath you as you sit can not only prevent embarrassment, but protect you from surprises like cold/hot surfaces not to mention splinters.

Planning on buying/ wearing a great kilt/belted plaid? Don't listen to the people who try to tell you that you need 9 yards of 60" wide material. All you need is 4-6 yards depending on your size and the pattern of the tartan. The idea of 9 yards comes from a misconception
because the cloth for a belted plaid was only around 25" wide, depending on the size of the loom that was used to weave it. A 9 yard length of cloth was cut in half, and then the salvedge (long) edges were stitched together, resulting in a piece fabric only about four
and a half yards long and 50 (or so) inches wide. See this article by Matthew A. C. Newsome (Member of the International Guild of Tartan Scholars, curator of the Scottish Tartans Museum) http://kilts.albanach.org/yardage.html for more discussion of the matter. For the people that tell you that the phrase "The whole nine yards" refers to the belted plaid see this article ( http://tinyurl.com/26valx ) for all the other supposed explanations of that phrase.

Chafing. Yes, there is a certain esprit de corps about being regimental, but on a hot, humid day even us skinny guys can suffer. So if you are out on a hot/humid day you are NOT any less manly a Scot if you save yourself some pain by wearing some bike shorts, or boxers. Briefs can help, but they don't prevent your inner thighs from rubbing. Another option is a little anti-perspirant where your thighs rub together to minimize irritation later in the day. To touch on a more delicate area... some men can get a little irritation depending on... the um... "angle of the dangle"  ::) so if you are going regimental, make sure your have a shirt that is long enough to provide some lining between your friend and the wool.

If your sporran is full/heavy and you need to run or move quickly, move it off-center so it doesn't bounce painfully against delicate parts.

If you are going to wear a sword, especially with a great kilt/belted plaid, use a baldrick that goes over your shoulder rather than hanging the scabbard from a belt at your waist. If you are spending the day at a Renaissance fair or historical reenactment, the combined weight of your plaid, sporran, sword and any other accoutrement all hanging from a belt at your waist can become very uncomfortable on your hips after a couple hours.

Moms, please don't put your young boys into a full-sized great kilt/belted plaid. It can take a while to get used to wearing a great kilt, even for an adult. So if you want your son to enjoy
participating in your hobby, or celebrating your heritage, make sure he is as comfortable as possible -let him start out wearing a cut-down plaid made from a generic tartan as a great kilt that fits his size. Once he grows out of it you can use your son's first kilt as an arasaid, or
shawl. Or he can use it as a "fly plaid" pinned to his shoulder.

"So You're Going to Wear the Kilt" by J. Charles Thompson on Amazon at http://tinyurl.com/5b9wye


Websites with instructions on how to wear a great kilt aka belted plaid
http://www.kalani.net/KiltPleating101.htm

http://www.brotherguido.com/Greatkilt/Default.htm

http://www.theweebsite.com/greatkilt/index.html#puton

http://www.tartanweb.com/shop/pages/wrapping_wearing_great_kilt.html

http://www.historichighlanders.com/belted.htm
Title: Kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on May 17, 2008, 08:39:45 PM
Casual Kilt Guide a comparison of companies that make casual kilts or non-tartan kilts (similar to http://utilikilts.com/ ):
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/page/casual_kilt_guide.php

Good inexpensive kilts, but a limited range of tartans
http://stillwaterkilts.com

A little more expensive, but a wide range of tartans
http://kilts-n-stuff.com

www.kiltday.com
Just about everything you need to know about kilted life and the best kilt related links page on the net.

www.xmarksthescot.com
The webs largest community of kilt wearers, promoting the kilt as a man’s garment, not a costume.

www.jhiggins.net
J. Higgins is a large importer of highland dress in Kansas.

www.sportkilt.com
Affordable sport and “starter” kilts and accessories.

www.usakilts.com
“My kilt maker” USA offers custom tailored kilts in PV and wool at very reasonable prices.  Made in Phoenixville, PA.

www.scottishkilts.net
This Glasgow Scotland based company has some of the best pricing on the “real deal” Scottish made highland dress and accessories.

http://alphakilts.com
Non-tartan neo kilts similar to Utilikilts
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: NoBill Lurker on May 17, 2008, 08:54:19 PM
What a great guide, Groomporter!!!

If only I had something like this when I first started wearing a kilt and didn't have to learn all this the hard way! ::)

Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on May 17, 2008, 09:04:32 PM
Talking about the "hard way"... In my old Scottish group ( http://clanntartan.org ) when our guys got severely chafed after marching around in 90-degree, 90 percent humidity weather they developed a certain gait we called the "holy walk"  :'(
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: NoBill Lurker on May 17, 2008, 09:28:16 PM
That would be funny only if I hadn't came closer to that than I'd like to think about to that condition . :-[

I remember that the ladies here had a discussion on chaffing on the old site and the remedies they had for it, so who remembers what
was some of the cures? 
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on May 17, 2008, 09:38:19 PM
I've heard it said that you should only use Gold Bond Medicated to prevent chafing but that after chafing it can be further irritating.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on May 17, 2008, 10:07:39 PM
www.kiltday.com
Just about everything you need to know about kilted life and the best kilt related links page on the net.

www.xmarksthescot.com
The webs largest community of kilt wearers, promoting the kilt as a man’s garment, not a costume.

www.jhiggins.net
J. Higgins is a large importer of highland dress in Kansas.

www.sportkilt.com
Affordable sport and “starter” kilts and accessories.

www.stillwaterkilts.com
Affordable traditionally styled kilts in acrylic and wool from Minnesota.

www.usakilts.com
“My kilt maker” USA offers custom tailored kilts in PV and wool at very reasonable prices.  Made in Phoenixville, PA.


www.scottishkilts.net
This Glasgow Scotland based company has some of the best pricing on the “real deal” Scottish made highland dress and accessories.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on May 17, 2008, 10:25:27 PM
I mentioned him in the first post but here's the blog of
Matthew Newsome Member of the International Guild of Tartan Scholars, curator of the Scottish Tartans Museum He has interesting tidbits on kilts and kilt wearing http://kiltmaker.blogspot.com/ as well as a website with relevant articles
http://albanach.org/

Also http://www.reconstructinghistory.com has some very good info on Scottish as well as Irish period attire.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Tipsy Gypsy on May 17, 2008, 10:47:13 PM
Something milord learned from pipers at Scottish festivals- if you're going to be anywhere that sunlight might reflect off of hard ground surfaces- astroturf, cinder track, hard bare ground, concrete- put sunscreen where the sun don't shine... 'cause, it do!  :o
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Tipsy Gypsy on May 17, 2008, 10:52:04 PM
Also, "So You're Going to Wear the Kilt" by J. Charles Thompson is a great resource on kilt protocol, and covers subjects from white tie formal affairs to casual wear, day and evening wear, and exceptions to all that. He's very helpful, and a great read.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on May 17, 2008, 11:03:17 PM
Also, "So You're Going to Wear the Kilt" by J. Charles Thompson is a great resource on kilt protocol, and covers subjects from white tie formal affairs to casual wear, day and evening wear, and exceptions to all that. He's very helpful, and a great read.

I'll second that, it's on Amazon at http://tinyurl.com/5b9wye
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on May 20, 2008, 11:20:45 PM
That would be funny only if I hadn't came closer to that than I'd like to think about to that condition . :-[

I remember that the ladies here had a discussion on chaffing on the old site and the remedies they had for it, so who remembers what
was some of the cures? 

I've never had a big problem in this 'area'  ::)  , I guess since I'm kilted most of the time I'm used to it.  But many folks swear by "Body Glide"  http://www.usakilts.com/other_accessories.php
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Scotsman on May 21, 2008, 08:19:10 AM
Awesome thread ... thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on May 25, 2008, 12:40:12 PM
Since I started the thread I took the liberty to copy all the kilt buying source links into the second message just so they are all together in one place. I'll try to continue to do so if we get more additions.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: gem on May 25, 2008, 02:46:23 PM
Quote
So if you are out on a hot/humid day you are NOT any less manly a Scot if you save yourself some pain by wearing some bike shorts, or boxers. Briefs can help, but they don't prevent your inner thighs from rubbing.

Or the option used by Milord: boxer briefs. (http://www4.jcpenney.com/jcp/x5.aspx?catid=53064&deptid=53006&cmAMS_T=X3&cmAMS_C=C7&CmCatId=53006|53015)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Rakish Rogue on May 27, 2008, 08:27:28 AM
The #1 Accessory for kilties:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41gNOIOtQoL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

http://www.bodyglide.com (http://www.bodyglide.com)

I bought mine at the running shop I go to, but you can find a retailer by clicking this link:

http://direct.where2getit.com/cwc/apps/w2gi.php?template=search_new&client=bodyglide (http://direct.where2getit.com/cwc/apps/w2gi.php?template=search_new&client=bodyglide)

USA Kilts carries it.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: The Amadan on May 29, 2008, 09:52:29 PM
You may want to check out
http://www.kiltsrock.com (http://www.kiltsrock.com)
Good forum full of real-world daily kilt-wearers.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Robert Phoenix on May 31, 2008, 04:01:15 PM
Here is another free guide book from
http://www.realmenwearkilts.net/main.html
Recommended: Free Kilts & Tartan e-book
"Buying your Kilt - Made Easy" An Expert Insider's Frank Views and Simple Tips by Dr Nicholas J Fiddes (Governor, Scottish Tartans Authority)

Why you should wear a kilt, and what kind of kilt to get
How to source true quality, and avoid the swindlers
Find your own tartans, and get the best materials
Know the outfit for any occasion, and understand accessories
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on May 31, 2008, 05:41:45 PM
Oh and one of my favorite quotes regarding kilt wearing

"The Highland dress is essentially a 'free' dress -- that is to say, a man's taste and circumstances must alone be permitted to decide when and where and how he should wear it... I presume to dictate to no man what he shall eat or drink or wherewithal he shall be clothed."

-- The Hon. Stuart Ruaidri Erskine, The Kilt & How to Wear It, 1901.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on June 11, 2008, 02:16:40 PM
I edited the first message of this thread adding a list of website that show how to pleat and put on a great kilt/belted plaid. There are more than what I listed, but I tried to limit it to ones that had illustrations.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: The Amadan on June 17, 2008, 08:43:26 PM
www.kiltsrock.com (http://www.kiltsrock.com)  "Brotherhood of the Kilt, is a great source of info, too.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on June 22, 2008, 09:30:38 PM
We just got back from the Illinois Highland Games and have a fashion little advice for, how to put it delicately...
-for "Santa shaped" men?

This is meant with no malice (my wife was over 400 pounds before her gastric bypass), and I firmly believe even large men look good in kilts. This is merely meant to help you avoid stares, or giggles from impolite persons.

If you wear your sporran on a belt/chain that is separate from your kilt belt (like one of these:
http://www.celticattic.com/treasures/images/men/fullkiltrental.jpg )

-Remember not to wear it too loose. If it hangs too low or loose the, chains of the sporran belt can end up "framing" and emphasizing the bulge of your lower belly and groin. For example, we saw a fairly handsome, but large, man in a very sharp pipe band uniform. Unfortunately, his horsehair sporran was hanging so low that the chains the belt were running down either side of his groin, and it made him look like he was 7 or 8 months pregnant.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Catherine DArtois on July 04, 2008, 09:41:07 PM
Okay guys -- someone asked for a woman's suggestions regarding chafing.  Here's mine: Desitin.  Yes, it's for preventing and treating diaper rash.  Well, is it not the same thing (though hopefully for different reasons)?  I always pack a tube for festing and apply it before and after a day at the faire.  (Even with my cotton bloomers, the sweat is just deadly).  If it's too sticky feeling, top it off with a sprinkle of baby cornstarch (NOT Talc.  Repeat NOT Talc.  Talc has an asbestos-like effect on mucus membranes and if you get lucky later, well... she would NOT be thrilled with you!)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on July 05, 2008, 10:04:59 PM
I posted this on the "Bloomer" thread, but it will work for men in kilts, too.

To prevent Ren Rash:  Rub deodorant on the inside of your thighs.  Wait until it dries before getting dressed.  It was in a gal at work's magazine (article wasn't pertaining to faire, but that's what I immediately thought of).

Some of the responses in that thread were that it does work, others said it didn't work that well.  I guess you can always try it and see.  By the way, don't use spray deodorant.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Robert Phoenix on July 20, 2008, 08:54:05 PM
Another kilt link which allows you to make monthly payments

http://www.greatscotshop.com/
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Dallan on July 31, 2008, 03:48:06 PM
Wore my kilt the first time this spring at NCRF, the second time was closing weekend at VARF. I spent some time with the M’Crack and towards the end of the day one pulled me aside to tell me I had it on backwards. Talk about learning the hard way!  ;D
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Scotsman on August 01, 2008, 05:48:34 AM
Wore my kilt the first time this spring at NCRF, the second time was closing weekend at VARF. I spent some time with the M’Crack and towards the end of the day one pulled me aside to tell me I had it on backwards. Talk about learning the hard way!  ;D

OMG! You are too funny cousin ... this is when the would use one of my two favorite excuses:
1. I got dressed in the dark this morning ... or
2. This is what happens when you drink too much scotch for breakfast

Works every time ... or you can get creative and combine the two ... this is what happens when you drink too much scotch in the morning while getting dressed in the dark ... if you really wanted to have some fun with it you can throw your spouse under the bus ... this is what happens when my wife drinks too much scotch in the morning and dresses me in the dark. Have fun with it  ;D
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Dallan on August 05, 2008, 01:04:38 PM
Wore my kilt the first time this spring at NCRF, the second time was closing weekend at VARF. I spent some time with the M’Crack and towards the end of the day one pulled me aside to tell me I had it on backwards. Talk about learning the hard way!  ;D

OMG! You are too funny cousin ... this is when the would use one of my two favorite excuses:
1. I got dressed in the dark this morning ... or
2. This is what happens when you drink too much scotch for breakfast

Works every time ... or you can get creative and combine the two ... this is what happens when you drink too much scotch in the morning while getting dressed in the dark ... if you really wanted to have some fun with it you can throw your spouse under the bus ... this is what happens when my wife drinks too much scotch in the morning and dresses me in the dark. Have fun with it  ;D

Since it was one of the ladies I took it as a compliment that she was checking out my “kilt area”.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: brier patch charlie on August 11, 2008, 07:28:57 PM
That's to funny!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: duffy on August 16, 2008, 09:59:21 PM
bought a wee kilt at the sterling ren festival today from http://www.potomacleather.com/Wolfstone.htm
loved wearing it
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Julianne on August 18, 2008, 05:59:40 PM
A "wee" kilt?... ;)
No offense intended to ya duffy...but unless you are a little person.....uhm...mayhaps it's a handsome or bonny kilt?

Everyone should post a picture of their favorite kilt. :)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on August 18, 2008, 06:07:47 PM
I assumed he meant a "little" or modern kilt as opposed to a great kilt?  ???
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Julianne on August 18, 2008, 06:10:50 PM
I never thought of the modern kilt as "wee"...but verywell.

Just thought the words "wee kilt"...were funny ;D
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: duffy on August 18, 2008, 07:29:34 PM
its what they call a kilt with the pleats sewn in. its the name they used and made for it, not me :)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on August 18, 2008, 10:12:23 PM
No problem I've heard the term used elsewhere as well.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Tim T on August 26, 2008, 09:20:37 PM
I hit Stillwater Kilts website this evening and they will be closed from August 28 to September 8.  Nifty thing is, they will be offering FREE or reduced shipping during this down time.
http://www.stillwaterkilts.com/events.html

Quote
SWK will be CLOSED from August 28, 2008 until September 8, and we will not be shipping orders during this time.

Our website store will still be up and running, and you will be able to order as usual.

We will be offering the following discounts on Shipping while we are gone:

Orders placed on Aug. 28 thru Aug. 30 qualify for FREE Shipping

Orders placed on Aug. 31 thru Sept. 1 qualify for a 75% Discount on Shipping

Orders placed on Sept. 2 thru Sept. 3 qualify for a 50% Discount on Shipping

Orders placed on Sept. 4 thru Sept. 6 qualify for a 25% Discount on Shipping

Thought ya'll might be interested.

p.s. I'm not affiliated with Stillwater, just a satisfied customer.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zaubon on August 26, 2008, 09:30:10 PM
Bloody wonderful!  >:( I ordered Sunday and paid $17.50 for shipping.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on December 08, 2008, 08:26:53 PM
I just sent this to Renaissance Magazine in response to the article in issue #64

As someone who has portrayed a Scottish character since before a "Highlander" was a TV cult I find the article on wearing a kilt rather disappointing. The nonsense about "wearing boxers under a kilt is like wearing a hat in the swimming pool" only serves to scare off some men from trying to wear a kilt. What you wear under a kilt should be what you are comfortable with, and is no one's business. More importantly, boxers, or bike shorts worn under a kilt can help prevent chafing in hot and humid weather and can make the experience even more comfortable. I submit the tips below as a possible supplement to the original article (see original post to this thread for the tips)

Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: NoBill Lurker on December 08, 2008, 08:33:53 PM
I just sent this to Renaissance Magazine in response to the article in issue #64

As someone who has portrayed a Scottish character since before a "Highlander" was a TV cult I find the article on wearing a kilt rather disappointing. The nonsense about "wearing boxers under a kilt is like wearing a hat in the swimming pool" only serves to scare off some men from trying to wear a kilt. What you wear under a kilt should be what you are comfortable with, and is no one's business. More importantly, boxers, or bike shorts worn under a kilt can help prevent chafing in hot and humid weather and can make the experience even more comfortable. I submit the tips below as a possible supplement to the original article (see original post to this thread for the tips)




(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/Knoty-Dragon/FUNNY/icn___clap.gif) Well said good Sir! Well said! (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/Knoty-Dragon/FUNNY/icn___clap.gif)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on December 08, 2008, 09:47:20 PM
We just got back from the Illinois Highland Games and have a fashion little advice for, how to put it delicately...
-for "Santa shaped" men?

This is meant with no malice (my wife was over 400 pounds before her gastric bypass), and I firmly believe even large men look good in kilts. This is merely meant to help you avoid stares, or giggles from impolite persons.

If you wear your sporran on a belt/chain that is separate from your kilt belt, Remember not to wear it too loose. If it hangs too low or loose the, chains of the sporran belt can end up "framing" and emphasizing the bulge of your lower belly and groin. For example, we saw a fairly handsome, but large, man in a very sharp pipe band uniform. Unfortunately, his horsehair sporran was hanging so low that the chains the belt were running down either side of his groin, and it made him look like he was 7 or 8 months pregnant.

I see that a lot, and I must admit I had to be careful not let the sporran strap hang too low myself in my "heavier days".   One solution are "Sporran Suspenders" like these; http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/sporran_acc.html  , they eliminate the sporran strap/chain altogether.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Jay Byrd on December 09, 2008, 02:45:37 PM
not Kilt related, but to the phrase the whole nine yard, I was told it is a military saying.  The amunition belts were nine yards long, so when returning to the deck of the aircraft carrier, to know if there was live ammo still on the plane they were asked how much did you shoot.  I shot the whole nine yards, meaning all of it.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on December 09, 2008, 04:08:47 PM
Yup that's one of the 20, or so possible explanations listed on this page http://tinyurl.com/26valx
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Richard de Graeme on December 09, 2008, 04:14:47 PM
not Kilt related, but to the phrase the whole nine yard, I was told it is a military saying.  The amunition belts were nine yards long, so when returning to the deck of the aircraft carrier, to know if there was live ammo still on the plane they were asked how much did you shoot.  I shot the whole nine yards, meaning all of it.

Similarly, I heard it is from the Boor War. the ammo belts were nine yards and they said, "Give 'um the whole nine yards!".
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Amras Elfwine on December 10, 2008, 10:37:10 AM
I just sent this to Renaissance Magazine in response to the article in issue #64

As someone who has portrayed a Scottish character since before a "Highlander" was a TV cult I find the article on wearing a kilt rather disappointing. The nonsense about "wearing boxers under a kilt is like wearing a hat in the swimming pool" only serves to scare off some men from trying to wear a kilt. What you wear under a kilt should be what you are comfortable with, and is no one's business. More importantly, boxers, or bike shorts worn under a kilt can help prevent chafing in hot and humid weather and can make the experience even more comfortable. I submit the tips below as a possible supplement to the original article (see original post to this thread for the tips)



Bloody well said, Groomporter!! Huzzah!!!

Point of fact: The standard ammo belt for a Browning M2 model (and variants) 50-caliber machine gun was 9 yards long. The standard belts were used not only in bomber gun positions, but in fighters as well.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Jay Byrd on December 10, 2008, 02:29:34 PM
I have a kilt with the pleats sewn in, but want to get the fabric to make a great kilt.  Thanks for the info.  Most informative, makes me think I could do it right.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: AngryScottsman on February 19, 2009, 02:45:54 PM
One other thing.
If your going to wear a Tartan that is not yours have the decency to know the History of the Tartan so you dont look like a fool.

It burns me up when I ask about the Tartan they're wearing  and the response I get is "No I'm not a member of that Clan,I just liked the Color."
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on February 19, 2009, 05:43:01 PM
One other thing.
If your going to wear a Tartan that is not yours have the decency to know the History of the Tartan so you dont look like a fool.

It burns me up when I ask about the Tartan they're wearing  and the response I get is "No I'm not a member of that Clan,I just liked the Color."

Half the time at Renfairs I just wear a generic tartan anyway -or as someone from the local Scottish community calls it "mere checkered cloth"   ;)

 So I usually answer that kind of question by explaining that tartans were not assigned to specific clans in the period we're portraying to try to clarify some of the myths around tartan and kilts.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: AngryScottsman on February 20, 2009, 07:58:32 AM
One other thing.
If your going to wear a Tartan that is not yours have the decency to know the History of the Tartan so you dont look like a fool.

It burns me up when I ask about the Tartan they're wearing  and the response I get is "No I'm not a member of that Clan,I just liked the Color."

Half the time at Renfairs I just wear a generic tartan anyway -or as someone from the local Scottish community calls it "mere checkered cloth"   ;)

 So I usually answer that kind of question by explaining that tartans were not assigned to specific clans in the period we're portraying to try to clarify some of the myths around tartan and kilts.

I uderstand the theatrical part of it. I was talking more in general terms sorry.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on February 20, 2009, 08:38:23 AM
No worries, I occasionally suggest that people be a little more careful what they say or wear when attending things like the local Scottish fairs and are going to be around people who are actual clan members or even official local representatives/conveners of clans.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 12, 2009, 08:52:22 AM
By chance, has anyone had any purchasing experience's with "The Frugal Corner"? 

http://www.thefrugalcorner.com/mens.htm



BTW, What a valuable source of information that has gathered here. My compliments to everyone on this thread. 
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on March 12, 2009, 09:00:33 AM
A couple friends of mine have purchased from them and were happy with their kilts
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on March 12, 2009, 10:04:24 AM
Thank you GroomPorter. I shall consider them in the future
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on April 09, 2009, 07:31:07 AM
I just ran across this Utilitkilts competitor
http://alphakilts.com
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on April 22, 2009, 05:55:44 PM
Just out of curiosity I googled  "regimental tartans" and ran across this

The London Scottish Regiment TA, founded in 1859, wear plain kilts of Hodden Grey, the colour of their founder Lord Elcho's hunting coat. It was reputed, at the time of the Boer War, when the Regiment won their first Battle Honours, to be the start of the use of camouflage in the British Army.
http://www.tartansauthority.com/web/site/Tartan/History/RegimentalTartans.asp

I wasn't aware of a non-tartan military kilts that early.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: brier patch charlie on April 23, 2009, 11:53:00 PM
The London Scottish Regt. are no more, they are now only a Company, and were all most fazed out, but were save only because of the Queen.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 27, 2009, 10:23:48 AM
Sewn down pleats. Is this the preferred way to go?
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on May 27, 2009, 10:56:01 AM
Not necessarily, but it can make it quicker/easier to get dressed in the morning.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 27, 2009, 11:18:02 AM
That alone works for me!  ;D
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: maelstrom0370 on May 27, 2009, 11:24:44 AM
One of my biggest fears when I first started wearing a kilt to Faire was that, being of predominantly English and Dutch heritage, my family lays no claim to any specific tartan or "colors".  To avoid that problem, I went with the NightStalker (http://www.stillwaterkilts.com/Resources/SWK-NS5.jpg) design from Stillwater kilts (http://www.stillwaterkilts.com/index.html).  I've gotten a few compliments on it and, so far, haven't insulted anyone!  :P
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: der idee_mann on May 27, 2009, 11:33:24 AM
By chance, has anyone had any purchasing experience's with "The Frugal Corner"? 

http://www.thefrugalcorner.com/mens.htm



BTW, What a valuable source of information that has gathered here. My compliments to everyone on this thread. 

I bought my latest 16oz Kilt and extras from "The Frugal Corner" and have been very happy with it, not to mention they are good people and provide quality service.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on May 27, 2009, 01:41:22 PM
That alone works for me!  ;D

Of course I'm assuming you are talking about a modern "little kilt", but I've also worn a great-kilt that had the pleats sewn into it as a time saver.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on May 27, 2009, 02:27:27 PM
Absolutely, modern. Been shopping for something in a more active/athletic line without spending a whole bunch of $$$
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Merlin on May 27, 2009, 03:45:45 PM
Being BRAND NEW to this... I need some help.
I have decided to honor my ancestors by donning the kilt and accessories.
I want to maintain as much authenticity as possible so I've put aside the idea of a sport kilt or modern wear kilt.

Can anyone direct me to a place that may be able to offer everything from top to bottom for a new guy like myself.

I know the tartan.. have the crest and family motto that I would like to incorporate somehow... but I am brand new at this and am getting overwhelmed by all the sites.

Any help would be appreciated.

I'm in the Dallas Ft. Worth area.




thanks!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: RenRobin on May 27, 2009, 05:37:45 PM
As a woman married to a Scot, who did not have any experience in wearing a kilt until renfairs...

When you go to the ice chest to get a beer or soda or even pick something up off the ground, squat or bend at the knees, don't just bend over unless you want to show off the ol' Twig and Berries.  I had to let the hubby know he flashed half the camp.  :o :o :o

 He was so comfortable in the kilt that he forgot he was regimental. :-[ ;)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on May 27, 2009, 07:06:07 PM
Being BRAND NEW to this... I need some help.
I have decided to honor my ancestors by donning the kilt and accessories.
I want to maintain as much authenticity as possible so I've put aside the idea of a sport kilt or modern wear kilt.

Can anyone direct me to a place that may be able to offer everything from top to bottom for a new guy like myself.

I know the tartan.. have the crest and family motto that I would like to incorporate somehow... but I am brand new at this and am getting overwhelmed by all the sites.

Any help would be appreciated.

I'm in the Dallas Ft. Worth area.

thanks!

Well... If you're looking for a local vendor, Scotland Forever is about it;  http://www.scotlandforever.net/index.html   I've not visited their shop, so I can't comment on it. their website is a bit clunky.

You didn't say what tartan or if you wanted something for wearing to the faire like a greatkilt, or a more modern traditional kilt for casual or formal stuff, but one of the cool things about kilts is that one can wear the same kilt for all levels of dress, so here's a couple options;

For faire-weare or traditional take a look at Celtic Croft, here's their greatkilt page;  http://www.kilts-n-stuff.com/Kilts/great_kilts.html

For traditional (modern) gear, there are lots of choices, but I get all my made to measure kilts from USA Kilts, they can do kilts in various fabrics and have pretty good deals on complete outfits to get ya' started; http://www.usakilts.com/store/cart.php?m=content&page=13
Rocky at USA Kilts is a pro with first time kilties.

I've also got a lot of stuff from  www.scottishkilts.net  it's a Scotland based company has some of the best pricing on Scottish made highland dress and accessories.

And the best kilt info resouce on the web,  www.xmarksthescot.com

Good luck, and lemme know if I can help!

Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Merlin on May 28, 2009, 12:46:53 PM
Thanks Zardoz.... The Tartan is Gunn, my family clan.

I'm getting closer to locating kilt, fly plaid and Glengarry but now more questions arise.

My goal is for more of a Renaissance/Highland games look rather than a modern kilt with a jacket.
Having said that... are there some do's and don'ts that I need to be aware of?
For instance... Don't get a sporran with a crest on it...or never wear a fly plaid with this sort of shirt thing.

Foot wear... prefer some sort of boot that I could carry a dirk with.... any suggestions on footwear?

The clan Gunn were Vikings whop came to Scotland around 850 so if anything I am saying is against "the rules"...please let me know. I have no idea if Scots never wore boots or always wore certain shoes...I'm really ignorant about these things but trying to learn.

Glengarry---- Diced or no?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on May 28, 2009, 01:46:23 PM
Thanks Zardoz.... The Tartan is Gunn, my family clan.

I'm getting closer to locating kilt, fly plaid and Glengarry but now more questions arise.

My goal is for more of a Renaissance/Highland games look rather than a modern kilt with a jacket.
Having said that... are there some do's and don'ts that I need to be aware of?
For instance... Don't get a sporran with a crest on it...or never wear a fly plaid with this sort of shirt thing.

Foot wear... prefer some sort of boot that I could carry a dirk with.... any suggestions on footwear?

The clan Gunn were Vikings whop came to Scotland around 850 so if anything I am saying is against "the rules"...please let me know. I have no idea if Scots never wore boots or always wore certain shoes...I'm really ignorant about these things but trying to learn.

Glengarry---- Diced or no?

Thanks in advance.

Well...I'm no expert on this, but Highlanders started wearing the greatkilt or belted plaid in the 16th century, on the belt they would carry a sporran, dirk, pouches and other highland accutriments. A baldric was used for sword and pistols. Under the kilt they had a simple baggy woven shirt, or leine, maybe a leather doublet if they were well off! They generally wore simple leather wrap shoes, like the "gillies" you see at faire, or barefoot! the sgian dubh in the sock or boot is a much later 1800's affectation.
They didn't wear 'glengarry' bonnets, again 1800's, but larger, generally simular woven wool tams, with no "clan badges".  Highland clans at that time were not identified by clan tartan or badge (1800's) although they often used 'plant badges' in their bonnet to identify one another I think Gunn's is the juniper tree.  If you want to look at a movie that shows this general look pretty well, I'd suggest Rob Roy.   Here's a link to some good info; http://www.albanach.org/generations.html




Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Merlin on May 28, 2009, 01:53:16 PM
Very good information.... thanks!

What do you wear on your feet?
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on May 28, 2009, 02:27:04 PM
"What do you wear on your feet?"

Personally?  At faire I do not go for any historic accuracy. I'm kilted pretty much fulltime, so I mostly use parts of my regular kiltwear.  I wear regular modern kilt hose and some 'gillie' type shoes a friend made for me, kind of like these;http://www.nativearth.net/sandal.html#GHILLIES
If it's wet and or cold I wear some regular lace up suede oxfords ::)

Here's a couple photos of me at TRF,
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/olmark/scan0008-1.jpg)
Here I am with some of my girltorage, Modern hose, shoes, sporran,tailored kilt (Irelands National tartan), highlander shirt from Ravenswood Leather, 'swordsman' vest from Sportkilt, modern tam etc..

(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/olmark/Kings_Feast_2008_029.jpg)
Here's basically the same set-up only with a more era-correct bonnet http://jas-townsend.com/product_info.php?cPath=6&products_id=250 and a 1700's style jacket, it was cold that weekend and I was pretty sick, so I needed two helpers to stand up!
 
Just for grins, and to show how versatile the kilt is, here's some of the same gear worn as part of a victorian costume;
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/olmark/scan-7.jpg)

And at a "business attire" meeting with Harris County Judge Ed Emmett;
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/olmark/HPIM1186.jpg)
and yeah, that's how I would normally dress!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on May 28, 2009, 02:28:19 PM
Ghillies a type of simple moccasin. There are some patterns at the bottom of the page here:
http://historicgames.com/Scottishstuff/ghillies.html
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Merlin on May 29, 2009, 10:16:47 AM
GREAT GREAT advice here....thanks so much and forgive me for continuing to ask more.

Sport Kilt: Obviously not 'traditional' but is it a decent buy for the money? A port kilt in my clan tartan with sewn down pleats and a double buckle closure is under $100 while a true 9 yard wool kilt is around $450. If this kilt will be worn at faire only....less than 10 times per year.... would a Sport Kilt suffice or is it a waste of money because it looks like a cheap kilt?

 
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on May 29, 2009, 11:53:39 AM
GREAT GREAT advice here....thanks so much and forgive me for continuing to ask more.

Sport Kilt: Obviously not 'traditional' but is it a decent buy for the money? A port kilt in my clan tartan with sewn down pleats and a double buckle closure is under $100 while a true 9 yard wool kilt is around $450. If this kilt will be worn at faire only....less than 10 times per year.... would a Sport Kilt suffice or is it a waste of money because it looks like a cheap kilt?

 

Brother Merlin, I'm glad to help!

I have a couple of old Sportkilts (SKs) and they are great for what they are, kilts intended for sporting events. Mine are a cotton-poly, I think they are using a better looking fabric now, but mine are 6-7 years old and have not aged too well, lots of pilling and they don't hold a sharp pleat, even with pressing. I saw some at TRF last year that looked pretty good, but didn't pass for a traditonal kilt. They're low yardage, maybe 13-14 wide pleats, they do look better with the sewn down pleat option. SKs have velcro closure, the straps are  mostly decorative. I would say spring for the sewn-down pleats, fringe, and big belt loops before the straps.

For about the same kind of money,$100- $140 (depending on your size) you could get a 'Casual' model from USA Kilts (USAK) and have a nicer looking kilt with more pleats, made to measure in a better fabric. (ask them to leave off their patch) USA has the Gunn Modern tartan in their line up. http://www.usakilts.com/store/cas_kiltpage.php

For about 100 bucks more, you could get the USAK 'Semi-traditional' model and have a really nice kilt you could wear anywhere. http://www.usakilts.com/store/semitrad_kiltpage.php
Remember, it is easier to dress down a fancy kilt than dress up a basic one.  If I seem like a shill for USA Kilts it's because I'm the satisfied owner of 5 of them. The PV fabric is great for Texas weather, if you sweat it up, you can throw it in the washer, hang it up and wear it the next day.

Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Merlin on May 30, 2009, 08:28:13 AM
A long time satisfied customer is more valuable than all the commercials and internet ads added up. SOLD!

I'm going to do the semi-traditional from USA Kilts and ask them to leave off the patch.

I may get the ghillie brogues for Highland Games and opt for some black leather lace up hiking boots for Faire....
It looks like USA only has white Highland shirts.... any leads on a good place to get a couple in other colors?


Again....thanks so much for your help. When we meet one day...the first round is on me!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on May 30, 2009, 08:30:51 PM
You will be happy with the USA Semi-trad!  If you have any questions about measuring or whatever, don't be afraid to call Rocky and ask, he is great with first time customers! Tell him Zardoz from XMarks sent ya'.

I've got a few highlander type shirts from Ravenswood Leather, they have lots of colors, and are a pretty good deal;  http://www.ravenswoodleather.com/Shirts/index.html

Honestly, I never wear the highlander/Jacobite/poet/pirate type of shirt outside ren faires, you see people do it, but they seem a little "costumey" to me. At Highland games here in Texas you're more likely to see t-shirts or golf shirts paired with kilts because of the heat!
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/olmark/games/fairy_and_Highland_games_089.jpg)
Here's the Houston games a couple weeks ago, only about 85 degrees there. at the Dallas Games in Arlington next week it might be 95-100!

I'd say look some of the photo threads over at XMarksthescot.com to get some ideas about how folks dress at different events. feel free to sign up there too, tons of good advice and ideas to be had!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Merlin on May 31, 2009, 10:53:11 AM
OK...so here's what I'll be ordering tomorrow:

Semi Traditional in my family clan tartan of Gunn Modern

matching flash

Clan Belt buckle

Black Belt

Gunn clan Sgian Dubh

Balmoral with Clan Badge

1 Blue and 1 white highlander shirt

1 pair navy hose   1 pair cream hose

Clan crest kilt pin

Clan crest plaid brooch

1 swordsman vest



I plan on getting black 14 eye lace up boots to wear...probably some Doc Martins.


Still undecided about sporran

Did I miss anything? I'll eventually add a batdric and sword probably....maybe...dunno

Any and all suggestions welcomed!

Thanks to everyone for the help so far.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zaubon on May 31, 2009, 11:27:27 AM
...
Did I miss anything? I'll eventually add a batdric and sword probably....maybe...dunno

Any and all suggestions welcomed!

Thanks to everyone for the help so far.

Unless you're set on carrying the weight of a sword and baldric, I've been quite happily feeding my need for steel with a dirk. It's a lot lighter, hangs from the belt and is traditional.
Either way I like the products from Cult of Athena. http://www.cultofathena.com/ (http://www.cultofathena.com/) The prices are reasonable and the selection is excellent, they have everything from wall hangers to combat ready, with a range in between. Since the blades I carry are not going to be drawn or used for what they were originally intended, I like something a grade or two up from wall hanger. It looks good, but doesn't cost nearly as much as a battle ready blade.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Merlin on May 31, 2009, 12:26:00 PM
Very good advice.... which type of dirk do you carry?
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on May 31, 2009, 07:56:28 PM
Merlin, your selections sound great, Look forward to seeing it sometime!  Hey, I know you were talking about a plaid, USAK can do one for you, it's not on the site-  just ask.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zaubon on May 31, 2009, 09:13:27 PM
Very good advice.... which type of dirk do you carry?
They don't carry the model that I have anymore, it's a transitional Ballock Dagger/Dirk similar to this.
 (http://www.cultofathena.com/images/SH2363_l.jpg)
http://www.cultofathena.com/product~item~SH2363~name~Scottish+Dirk.htm (http://www.cultofathena.com/product~item~SH2363~name~Scottish+Dirk.htm)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on June 01, 2009, 08:13:11 AM
Speaking of the sgian dubh -a lot of friends have given up on wearing one in the top of their hose or moccasin boots because they have lost so many while being participants at faire. But, I've heard it said that the actual origin of the sgian dubh was as a "pit knife" worn under your arm, so I added a hook on the sheath for one of my small knives and now usually wear it hooked in the arm hole of my jerkin.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/Groomporter/Misc/P8270002.jpg)

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/Groomporter/Misc/P8270001.jpg)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Merlin on June 01, 2009, 10:49:36 AM
Hey Zardoz.... what size are you and what size Highlander shirt do you have from Ravenswood?

Their sizes go Sm, Med, Large, XL, 2Xl, 3XL 4XL ...which made me wonder what they consider XL since they go so high.
I'm about 185 lbs at 5' 10".... I usually get XL T-shirts because I don't like tight fitting shirts.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zaubon on June 01, 2009, 11:53:01 AM
Hey Zardoz.... what size are you and what size Highlander shirt do you have from Ravenswood?

Their sizes go Sm, Med, Large, XL, 2Xl, 3XL 4XL ...which made me wonder what they consider XL since they go so high.
I'm about 185 lbs at 5' 10".... I usually get XL T-shirts because I don't like tight fitting shirts.

I'm 5'11" 320lbs I wear a 4X Ravenswood. I normally wear 2X-3X shirts from other manufacturers.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on June 01, 2009, 12:35:01 PM
I'm 5'9 about 210, about a 46 -48 jacket size, The XL 's are OK on me. 
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Merlin on June 02, 2009, 08:10:18 AM
Unreal..... got any other suggestions for a place to get a good Highlander shirt?

Maybe it's just me...but I refuse to pay $15.50 shipping charges for a shirt.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zaubon on June 02, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Ren Shirts in Seguin has some nice shirts. Order larger than you think, they tend small for me.
http://www.renshirts.com/ (http://www.renshirts.com/)

I've been wanting to get a leines from this vendor for a while now, just never seem to have the money when the mood strikes.
http://www.faireware.com/index.html#pagetop (http://www.faireware.com/index.html#pagetop)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Merlin on June 02, 2009, 10:38:04 AM
Wow.... renshirts place looks nice.

I think I'll get a sleeveless wrinkle.... $37.00 TOTAL...not bad
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Tim T on June 02, 2009, 11:09:31 AM
I just got a sleeveless wrinkle gauze from Renshirts a couple of weeks ago, and I love it.  I've worn it with my kilt, and with my pirate stuff as well.  It's super comfy, and breathes really well.  I really couldn't recommend it highly enough for summer faires.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on June 02, 2009, 12:02:58 PM
Wow, The last time I ordered a shirt from Ravenswood they were like 32 bucks, and now they are only shipping UPS..$39for the shirt,  $10 shipping + $5.50 "Handling" ::) ! 
 A colored Renshirt with shipping and Texas tax totals about the same, but I like the collars and lacing style of the Ravenswood shirts better.  I was fixing to order up a red one, but I think I'll just wait and get it at TRF to save the shipping..
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Merlin on June 02, 2009, 12:32:27 PM
Ya know... it's a thorn with me I guess. I would pay $50 for the shirt with FREE shipping than $35 and then see $10 shipping and $5 "handling" charge.

Yes..I understand the end payment is the same.... but it chaps me to pay $10 for shipping and see when the package arrives that it only cost $3.98 to ship and how is it a $5 charge to "handle" my package? (There's a joke in that last statement)

Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on June 02, 2009, 04:05:48 PM
just for fun
How to Wrap and Wear a Great Kilt (if you're a GI Joe or other 1:6 scale Action Figure)

http://vikki.ethernauts.net/kilthowto.html
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 03, 2009, 10:31:15 AM
I have made my casual kilt choices for now. We went with Sports Kilts for some solid colors and Stillwater Kilts for a Irish National Tartan I was needing.  It was a close decision between Stillwater & USA Kilt.   We ended up choosing Stillwater. We liked the features that Stillwater offered on their Irish Tartan, not to mention the price was a little sweeter on the pocket book too.  Perhaps try a USA Kilt in the future.

Till Then

Looking forward to trying them out & putting them through the ringer test.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/29ly7pz.jpg)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 03, 2009, 10:38:29 AM
Stumbled across these and thought I would add them for anyone needing a quick visual reference

(http://i42.tinypic.com/w9hctt.jpg)(http://i43.tinypic.com/6sazyh.jpg) 
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on June 03, 2009, 05:22:03 PM
Speaking of USA Kilts, I just recieved my new Semi-trad in the mail from Rocky at USA Kilts!  ;D

It's in the X Marks the Scot forum tartan, STA tartan number 6679, (yes, an online community with it's own registered tartan and clan badge!) a thing of beauty, and it fits perfect!

(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/olmark/xmarkskilt.jpg)
Front apron view

(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/olmark/xmarkskilt001.jpg)

Rear pleat view and flashes. Rocky's attention to detail is obvious.

I apologize for the rumpled look of the kilt, this is right out of the box, I had not even tried it on yet!

The next day, after a little pressing, ready to go to a pleasent lunch...
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/olmark/xmarkskilt003.jpg)

Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Merlin on June 03, 2009, 05:49:40 PM
Do you wash your USA Semi-Trad's in the washing machine? Cold water? Line dry?

I guess what Im asking...is how do you care for your USA kilt?
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on June 03, 2009, 06:41:20 PM
Do you wash your USA Semi-Trad's in the washing machine? Cold water? Line dry?

I guess what Im asking...is how do you care for your USA kilt?

It's easy, For PV like USAK's or Acrylic like Stillwater kilts,- Machine Wash in COLD water on the GENTLE cycle. Don't use fabric softener, it will remove the teflon on the PV. Give them an extra spin-dry and them hang them up with some pants hangers or lay them out to dry. Touch up by pressing with a steam iron on Medium.
 I actually have better luck with mine if I lay them out flat to dry.  I put a sheet over our spare bed,(one could use a big table or the floor etc.) and take a few minutes to lay the kilt out nice and smooth with all the pleats flat and creased straight etc... It will dry overnight and require less pressing.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 09, 2009, 09:54:31 AM
Wow! Stillwater kilts are made in Pakistan?? I did not know that!  No complaints yet although that explains a few things.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on June 09, 2009, 10:32:08 AM
Where did you hear that, or was the kilt you ordered labeled as imported?
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 09, 2009, 10:40:01 AM
Perhaps it was just the standard kilt that I ordered.  It sports a tag "Made in Pakistan"
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on June 09, 2009, 03:11:13 PM
There are likely more kilts and other Highland stuff made in Pakistan than any other country!   All of Stillwaters' kilts, wool or acrylic are made there.  The fabrics are loomed there as well.  If you ask them, they don't conceal that fact. Nothing wrong with that, Jerry's stuff is the best bang for your kilt buck there is,  I own 4 of them. About the only gripes I have are the standard 24 inch length, and the lack of cutaway in the fell that makes for a thick hot waistband in the "standard" models.
Basically anytime you pay 50 - 80 bucks for a off the rack kilt, from Stillwater,  Frugal Corner or Kiltmart to name a few,  you are getting an acrylic kilt made in Pakistan. 

When I first got started wearing kilts, I was not aware of all the good info sources like Xmarksthescot, albanach.org , etc..  so I looked all over the web and was close to getting a Stillwater, but I thought that there was no way a 75 dollar kilt could be any good, so I ended up paying about 90 bucks each for two old style Sportkilts that I won't wear in public now.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 09, 2009, 03:23:35 PM
By all means I like it,  it is a good looking kilt for the money.  I was just slightly surprised when I discovered who was actually making them.  Learn something every day  ;)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Aaroncois on June 09, 2009, 03:50:06 PM
Kiltmart

That name cracks me up for some reason.  :D
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 10, 2009, 03:59:42 AM
Anyone have any experience with "The Scottish Tartan Museum Gift Shop out of Franklin, NC or the "J Byous Company in Georgia?

(http://i41.tinypic.com/19urle.jpg)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on June 10, 2009, 10:07:52 AM
Anyone have any experience with "The Scottish Tartan Museum Gift Shop out of Franklin, NC or the "J Byous Company in Georgia?

I have done business with both.
 I have a couple made to measure tams from J Byous, thats all I've gotten from them, but the quality and service were great.

I've bought a lot of stuff from the Scottish Tartans Museum, and its all been top notch. They have a great selection and don't sell any junk! I have not ordered a kilt from there, but would not hesitate to do so.
The fellow that runs it, Matt Newsome, is an well respected kiltmaker and one of the formost authorities on tartan and Highland dress in the country. 

What sort of things are you looking for William?
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 10, 2009, 12:24:34 PM
What sort of things are you looking for William?

For the most part accessories.  I've been focusing on a new semi dress to dress sporran and perhaps some headgear too.  I've been piecing some outfits together a little at a time.


Investing in a pair of ghillie brogues may be in the future as well.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on June 10, 2009, 03:56:12 PM

For the most part accessories.  I've been focusing on a new semi dress to dress sporran and perhaps some headgear too.  I've been piecing some outfits together a little at a time.


Investing in a pair of ghillie brogues may be in the future as well.

Well , you can't go wrong looking at the Scottish Tartans Museum shop for any of that stuff.  You might also try J.Higgins in Kansas; ( www.jhiggins.net ) they have a pretty good selection too.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: brier patch charlie on June 10, 2009, 05:44:59 PM
The Kilts that you get from What Price Glory, are also made in Pakistan, and they tell you that right off. They use an old company that was making them for MOD when  Pakistan was part of the Impire, so all of there kilts meet MOD standards, and are of 22 oz weight like the pre 1940 kilts. I;ve got one of their Black Watch kilts, it's nice when it's cool weather, but  boy is it a drag to wear when it get hot out side.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: MacKee on June 10, 2009, 10:23:46 PM
I have bought accessories (Sporrans, Kilt Pins, etc.) from J.Higgins and also The Celtic Croft. Both a pleasant experience ;D


Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 11, 2009, 03:25:02 PM
Nice historical tidbit Charlie. I've been educated and thats a good thing. Thank you for your input MacKee it is appreciated, and thank you Zardoz for another option to consider in my quest.  (http://i41.tinypic.com/10zvfnk.jpg)
Title: Re: Kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on June 11, 2009, 10:01:05 PM
Casual Kilt Guide a comparison of companies that make casual kilts or non-tartan kilts (similar to http://utilikilts.com/ ):
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/page/casual_kilt_guide.php

Good inexpensive kilts, but a limited range of tartans
http://stillwaterkilts.com

A little more expensive, but a wide range of tartans
http://kilts-n-stuff.com

www.xmarksthescot.com
The webs largest community of kilt wearers, promoting the kilt as a man’s garment, not a costume.

www.jhiggins.net
J. Higgins is a large importer of highland dress in Kansas.

www.sportkilt.com
Affordable sport and “starter” kilts and accessories.

www.usakilts.com
“My kilt maker” USA offers custom tailored kilts in PV and wool at very reasonable prices.  Made in Phoenixville, PA.

www.scottishkilts.net
This Glasgow Scotland based company has some of the best pricing on the “real deal” Scottish made highland dress and accessories.


So you are interested in wearing the kilt but you aren't sure where to start. Kilts can cost quite a bit and it really does pay to do you homework and decide exactly what you are looking for in a kilt before making your purchases.

Online Guides

Steve Ashton, kiltmaker and owner of Freedom Kilts www.freedomkilts.com has written a great overview of all the kilt options available to today's kilt wearer entitled Too many styles of Kilts to choose from.

This article can be found here:

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/article/sa1.php


Dr Nicholas J Fiddes, Governor of the Scottish Tartans Authority, and founder of the world’s first company to market kilts on the Internet, Scotweb http://www.scotweb.co.uk/ created a free downloadable ebook covering all you need to know about purchasing a kilt entitled Kilts and Tartan made Easy

The free ebook may be downloaded here:

http://www.scotweb.co.uk/info/where-...kilts-tartans/


Lastly Matt Newsome, Kiltmaker and currator of the Scotish Tartans Museum offer his thoughts on his informative website http://albanach.org/index.htm

His MATTHEW NEWSOME'S PATENTED ADVICE FOR THE FIRST TIME KILT WEARER may be found here:

http://albanach.org/advice.htm


Our thanks to Steve, Nick, and Matt for their time, efforts, and willingness to share their knowledge.

Available Books

There are a few books available on the subject of wearing the kilt. All the following are available at the Scottish Tartans Museum gift store http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/ among other sources

So You're Going To Wear The Kilt by J Charles Thompson

The Kilt & How to Wear It by The Hon. Stuart Ruaidri Erskine

Matthew Newsome's Patented Advice For First Time Kilt Wearers by Matt Newsome

All About Your Kilt by Bob Martin


Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: MacKee on June 11, 2009, 10:40:07 PM
Nice historical tidbit Charlie. I've been educated and thats a good thing. Thank you for your input MacKee it is appreciated, and thank you Zardoz for another option to consider in my quest.  (http://i41.tinypic.com/10zvfnk.jpg)

You are welcome sir  :)

btw - I order a kilt from Heritage Of Scotland (www.heritageofscotland.com) Great PV Kilt, great service. Ship time less than a week coming from the UK. They have their PV stock tartan kilts on sale...gents and children. The children's kilt (W26, L18) has leather straps...very nice for the price.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Laird Fraser of Lovatt on June 12, 2009, 07:23:21 AM
I purchased my kilt from the Celtic Croft and had a great experience with them.  It fit perfect and was very comfortable.  I hadn't worn a kilt since i was a wee lad and it fitting correctly was a big plus in my book.  The only glitch that i ran into was that my kilt got held up in customs, so i didn't have it for All Hallow's Eve, last year but i was wearing it for Highland Fling... and was the first Scot Iris & Rose decided to pick on, during their show.  The off road sheep, in leather, was the topper...
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on June 23, 2009, 04:56:11 PM
"Kilt Kit" Kilt Carrier

For Father's Day my "kids" (2 dogs and cats) got me a travel bag for my highland gear called the "Kilt Kit" form a company in Nevada I hadn't heard of before called Order of the Gael. I don't have any pictures handy, but here is their link, it shows it better anyway;

http://www.orderofthegael.org/kiltkit_detail.htm

http://www.orderofthegael.org/kiltkit.htm

It's a great product if you're going to travel with kilts and all their accessories! The kilt hangers (which are avalible separately) are really cool! I'm gonna use the bag this weekend, so I've already given it a test, and it held 3 kilts, 2 jackets & waistcoats, and assorted shirts, belts, shoes, hose etc .. with no problems, other than all that stuff together is kind o' heavy!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Lairde Daniel on June 25, 2009, 03:47:02 PM
After seeing all the advice, I just ordered a semi-formal from USAKilts.  Already have pretty much everything else...basket hilt broadsword, dirk, baldric, boots, renshirt, etc.  Looking forward to getting the family tarten!  Thanks for a great forum with awsome advice!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: MacKee on June 30, 2009, 11:08:18 AM
If anyone is really interested I will post is buy/sell. I have 2 black Sport kilts - worn once at Scarby closing weekend.

One adult
One Child

Oi!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on June 30, 2009, 11:27:55 AM
Whats the sizes?
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: MacKee on June 30, 2009, 12:04:15 PM
Aye, how did I know someone would as that ;D

Adult - Waist 38", Hem 25"

Child - Waist 20-26", Hem 18"
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Sir William Marcus on July 24, 2009, 08:57:13 PM
Men in Kilts, Men's Skirts, Sarongs and Other Kilt-like Clothing

Kiltman (http://www.kiltmen.com/world.htm)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on July 30, 2009, 05:45:30 PM
Can't read through 8 pages, so if it's already been posted, I apologize, but doesn't anyone know where a guy can buy an all leather kilt?  A non-Rennie friend asked me and I have no idea, so I told him I'd ask the experts.

He is going to Bristol for the first time on August 16th, and he might want it for then, so I am not talking about a custom kilt, instead a ready to wear that he could order shortly and have shipped to him.

Thanks for the help.   ;D
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: MacKee on July 30, 2009, 06:45:15 PM
Leather kilts are considered Fashion Kilts, but are usally made To measure. So you are talking 4 to 6 weeks, you might find one on ebay ready to go.

I have seen them on these sites:

US
http://offkilterdesigns.com/leather-kilt.html

UK
Heritage of Scotland
http://www.heritageofscotland.com/Real-Leather-Kilts/cid,124555,currency,USD,index.php?gclid=CI3z-s_J_psCFRPyDAodeHWX_g

I have bought from them. Just make sure you oreder the correct size, shipping back to Scotland at your expense is not cheap.

Scotweb
http://www.scotweb.co.uk/sr_swhdr_leathkilblac

I'm sure there are others state side. I'm not sure if some of the custom kilt makers like NeoKilt, Freedom Kilts, etc. do the leather thing. You might take a look at the site: http://www.xmarksthescot.com

Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Lady Kett on July 30, 2009, 08:14:20 PM
There's a place called RKilts @ http://www.rkilts.com/leather_kilts.htm (http://www.rkilts.com/leather_kilts.htm). I've seen them on the X-Marks page. They are in Canada.

Good luck Lady Renee!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on July 30, 2009, 08:42:57 PM
I passed the info on to our friend Alan, and if he wants to spend between $400 - $800 for a kilt, I'm sure he will be very appreciative of the websites that you've provided.

I also gave him info on a Utilikilt, in case he was just looking for a solid color instead of a tartan kilt.  Don't know what he really wants, but I knew the RF members would give me the info I needed to pass on to him.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: MacKee on July 30, 2009, 08:56:02 PM
I passed the info on to our friend Alan, and if he wants to spend between $400 - $800 for a kilt, I'm sure he will be very appreciative of the websites that you've provided.

I also gave him info on a Utilikilt, in case he was just looking for a solid color instead of a tartan kilt.  Don't know what he really wants, but I knew the RF members would give me the info I needed to pass on to him.

Thanks again!

What size does your friend wear? I ask because you mentioned Utilikilt...I have a black Sport Kilt that I probably will not wear that often if any.  I wore it once at Scarby, closing weekend.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on July 30, 2009, 08:59:44 PM
The Stillwater Kilts' black and dark charcoal "Nightstalker" tartan might be an interesting compromise if he wants something more subtle than a regular tartan, like a solid color, but cheaper than a utilikilt at $80.
(http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/53000022/images/1/SWK-NS5.jpg)

I see Stillwater now has a solid black option now for only $52 in their economy kilt line.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Lady Renee Buchanan on July 30, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
I passed the info on to our friend Alan, and if he wants to spend between $400 - $800 for a kilt, I'm sure he will be very appreciative of the websites that you've provided.

I also gave him info on a Utilikilt, in case he was just looking for a solid color instead of a tartan kilt.  Don't know what he really wants, but I knew the RF members would give me the info I needed to pass on to him.

Thanks again!

What size does your friend wear? I ask because you mentioned Utilikilt...I have a black Sport Kilt that I probably will not wear that often if any.  I wore it once at Scarby, closing weekend.

I don't know.  Alan is on the shorter slender side.  I'll keep this in mind if he should respond with any interest in the Utilikilt.  I'll renmail you if he wants further info.  Thanks so much.

Thanks, groomporter, I'll find out what he likes and pass that info onto him if he's looking for the darker colors.

I know he's not Scottish, but didn't know of his interest in a kilt, because he's never been to any faire, but there are a lot of kilt wearing men in our church, so perhaps he wants it for that.  Don't know yet, but I'll get as much info as he wants to tell me.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: MacKee on July 30, 2009, 09:58:15 PM
Quote
I know he's not Scottish, but didn't know of his interest in a kilt, because he's never been to any faire, but there are a lot of kilt wearing men in our church, so perhaps he wants it for that.  Don't know yet, but I'll get as much info as he wants to tell me.

Aye, then a universal Tartan are solid color. USA Kilts has a nice selection of Tartans that can worn by anyone, being scot or not. The Black Watch Tartan is especially popular.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Robert Phoenix on August 03, 2009, 10:00:24 PM
Sadly it seems that GreatScotShop is currently not doing anymore business over the internet.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: winterland on September 16, 2009, 11:08:00 PM
The Stillwater Kilts' black and dark charcoal "Nightstalker" tartan might be an interesting compromise if he wants something more subtle than a regular tartan, like a solid color, but cheaper than a utilikilt at $80.
(http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/53000022/images/1/SWK-NS5.jpg)

I see Stillwater now has a solid black option now for only $52 in their economy kilt line.

Thanks for the info. Never knew there was a kilt seller in the Minneapolis area.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on September 17, 2009, 07:20:38 AM
There's also the Celtic Croft in the Mpls area http://kilts-n-stuff.com A bit more expensive than Stillwater, but a larger range of tartans.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Elennare on January 05, 2010, 01:18:31 PM
Lots of great advice in this thread, but I didn't see what I was hoping to find. 

Does anyone know of good places to find kilt belts?  I've seen guys wearing these really cool wide belts, some with extra straps to hold things, with their kilts.  I asked one about it, and he said that it was a "kilt belt."  I want to get something like this for my husband, but all I can seem to find are belts that appear to be standard 1" wide leather belts like I can go find at Target, only these are labeled "kilt belts" and appear to cost more because of the name.

Can anyone help point me in a good place to find the sort of belt I had in mind?  Or, point out to me what I'm missing about these narrow belts that makes them specifically "kilt belts"?  If it makes any difference, the kilt he has is a Utilikilt.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: angusmacinnes on January 05, 2010, 02:14:07 PM
Try sprotkilt.com http://www.sportkilt.com/
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: SirRichardBear on January 05, 2010, 03:46:09 PM
http://www.revsarmourwerx.com/belt_kilt.cfm see if this is what you are looking for.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on January 05, 2010, 07:21:51 PM
http://oconeeleatherworks.com/Belts.htm

http://www.ravenswoodleather.net/Belts/utilitykilt.html

http://www.buzzkidderoriginals.com/belts/belts.htm

Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Elennare on January 06, 2010, 11:57:34 AM
Thanks guys!

The link Sir Richard posted seems to be the sort of thing I had in mind.  I'll have my husband look at all of the links, though, to see what he likes best. :)
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Dragonlord on July 29, 2010, 11:43:36 PM
Ok, I have a question for the experienced kilt wearers.  Just received my first kilt from Stillwater Kilts and was wanting to wear it to fair this weekend.  The only problem is the leather I ordered to make the kilt belt hasn't arrived yet.  Would it be taboo or just look bad if I wore my ring belt to get by?
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Seamus Ex Machina on July 30, 2010, 12:07:57 AM
Try this one.....http://www.blackbeardscreations.com/kiltbelt.htm
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Nighthawk on August 03, 2010, 10:29:49 AM
The Stillwater Kilts' black and dark charcoal "Nightstalker" tartan might be an interesting compromise if he wants something more subtle than a regular tartan, like a solid color, but cheaper than a utilikilt at $80.
(http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/53000022/images/1/SWK-NS5.jpg)

I see Stillwater now has a solid black option now for only $52 in their economy kilt line.


Don't get the acrylic!! It doesn't breathe worth a damn and it pills HORRIBLY around the sporran strap! Oh, and it burns- voraciously! I know this all from experience... I own 2 and a HALF Stillwater acrylics. Their wool heavyweights, on the other hand, are excellent value for the money. I have 2 and wear them regularly.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Nighthawk on June 13, 2011, 12:25:14 AM
This thread deserves a bump! There's a ton of brilliant information in it!
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Seaman Blurt on September 13, 2011, 02:08:31 PM
When attending Ren faire what tartan should you choose? Ancient, Modern, Hunter, muted?
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on September 13, 2011, 03:25:24 PM
If you want more accuracy, something in "ancient" or muted colors would probably be best. The original kilt -the belted plaid, was basically peasants' clothing, so was more likely to have muted home-spun colors than the richly dyed fabric of the wealthy.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on September 14, 2011, 10:51:30 AM
Just a warning  ;D ,   I see that Renniassance Magazine is planning another article on kilt wearing for their next issue. The last one they did was a rehash of popular fictitious myths, legends, and old wive's tales about kilts and tartan. Lets hope the "facts' in this one will be a little better! 
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zoë on October 03, 2011, 10:40:52 AM
I know this might be a bit of a long shot, but does anyone know of a place that will rent kilts that also has a fairly decent selection of tartans? I've been poking around and although some of the rental sites have great prices for the formal packages, none of them have the tartan I'm looking for.

-or-

Does anyone know of a resource for finding if my family tartan had an alternate or fell under another clan perhaps?
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on October 03, 2011, 05:02:16 PM
Have you checked out http://kilts-n-stuff.com
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zoë on October 03, 2011, 08:09:42 PM
I did. And while they seem to have the best rental prices/packages I've seen so far, they don't have the right tartan. Unless we can contact them and ask if they'll get it for us. Or we can find one that's really close.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on October 03, 2011, 11:18:59 PM

Does anyone know of a resource for finding if my family tartan had an alternate or fell under another clan perhaps?

What tartan are we talking about??
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zoë on October 04, 2011, 06:40:57 AM
The tartan we're looking for is Bruce. So far we've located one website (kiltrentalusa.com?) that has it on a "limited" basis, so it's possible we might find it there. More than likely we'll end up going through Celtic Croft and get one that looks very similar or go for an All-Scotland tartan.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zardoz on October 04, 2011, 10:38:54 AM
Well, I did a little digging, and Kilt rental USA does look about like the best bet to rent a Bruce tartan.

Forgive me being nosey, but what's the occasion for this? If there isn't a time crunch, and depending on what you want to invest, you could get a kilt made in your tartan.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Zoë on October 04, 2011, 03:44:20 PM
It's for my wedding. The groom and his party are going to wear their family tartan since we are going for a traditional Celtic feel. It's about a year away, so there's no rush in particular, but we are trying to be as cost-effective as possible since we need 5 of them. Renting just seems like a better option since these kilts will more than likely never be worn again, and renting the entire package gives us all the formal wear they'll need as opposed to just buying the kilt alone.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice
Post by: Zardoz on October 16, 2011, 11:31:42 AM
OK Guys,

There are a lot of folks wearing kilts to faire these days, and for what it's worth I think that's really great, because I'll bet a percentage of people who get a kilt for faire garb may end up liking it enough to start wearing their kilt for stuff besides faire.

That being said, I saw some basic newbie "mistakes" in just the last two weekends at TRF that I think are worth mentioning. I would not bring it up if I had not seen more than a few examples of them in just a couple of days.

1. The pleats go in back! I know this may seem counterintuitive to some, sitting on the pleats etc.. but thats the way it is. Pleats in back, flat apron in front, buckles on the sides.  I saw at least 4 or 5 guys with their kilts on backwards, and at least one fellow with it on 'sideways' (right hand buckles in front) who also still had the basting stitches in. (see #2)

( a little side note here; if your "kilt" has pleats all the way around, it's likely not a kilt, and looks like more of a 'lifestyle choice')

2. Remove the basting!  If your new kilt comes with some rows of loose stitching across the pleats, these are the temporary 'basting stitches' put in to stablize the pleats during manufacture and shipping. It's cool to leave them in to try it for size etc.. as many vendors won't do an exchange without them, but they need to come out and free up the pleats before you wear the thing out of the house! Not only do they look bad, but they might actually damage your kilt.

3. Sitting down. There's a little technique to this, we call it "sweeping the pleats" done right you will keep your butt off the bench, the pleats smoother, and won't be sitting on a big wad of kilt  Practice this at home a little. I'd say get a girl to show you, but it seems many have never worn skirts these days.

4. Avoid the white socks! This is more of a pet peeve with me, but the white hose look so generic and plain. If you like them, ok, But they make kilt hose in all kinds of colors, find some that coordinate with a color in your kilt.


Happy kilting !  ;D
 

Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: groomporter on October 16, 2011, 12:10:23 PM
Here, here!!
We've caught quite a number of guys at MNRF wearing their kilts backwards in the last couple years, even 3 at a reenactment we attend, and a couple who had not removed the white basting stitch from a round the bottom. We also had a guy wearing a "Got Kilt?" T-shirt with basically a table cloth around his waist not even an attempt at pleats.

This isn't meant to be snooty, just trying to save newbies embarrassment...
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: iain robb on October 19, 2011, 06:26:51 AM
Reminds me of the wee lad I saw at a Highland games. His rambunctious ramblings had resulted in his kilt being turned sideways, so the pleats were on the right and the apron was on the left.

His mom called him over, grasped the kilt at the waist and turned it 90 degrees ... so the pleats were in front and the apron in the back. Right there, amid dozens if not hundreds of (mostly) properly kilted men. (We won't talk about the guy is the really mini minikilt.)

I was about to go over and politely mention the problem, when I realized the lad was not wearing a kilt. The opening was on the wrong side. She'd put her son in a skirt, and then put it on him backwards. I decided that if she could put a girl's skirt on her son, backwards, in the face of all the correct examples around her, I probably wasn't going to make an impact on her.

Lads, no matter what Mom says, the kilt opens on your right, and a kilted skirt opens on the left, and the pleats go in back.
Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: Nighthawk on October 31, 2011, 10:25:16 AM
I read a very interesting post on the solid colored kilt on another forum. It was written by Mathew Newsome, curator of the Scottish Tartans Museum http://www.scottishtartans.org/index.html . I've read some misconceptions on this forum about solid colors for kilts, so I thought it would be good to repost it here to help clear up the confusion:

Quote from: M. A. C. Newsome;1031219
To many people, solid color kilts are either associated with "modern urban" or "utility kilts," or else they associated them with the Irish, because of the tradition among Irish pipers of wearing solid saffron or green kilt.

However, I have to point out that there has long been a tradition of wearing solid colored kilts in the Scottish Highlands.  They simply have never been as popular or as common as the tartan kilt.

It's not a modern thing, or even a Victorian thing.  One of the earliest examples we have in Scotland of a solid colored kilt is from a portrait of Duncan Campbell of Lochow, painted in 1635.  He's shown wearing a solid red belted plaid.
(http://home.comcast.net/~gmcdavid/HistNotes/DuncanCampbell4.JPG)
Remember that the belted plaid is the earliest form of the kilt, and itself can only be positively documented to 1594, so this is a scant 40 years after the earliest evidence for the early kilt being worn.  And we see it depicted in a solid color.

This should not be that surprising when we remember at this time that tartan did not have quite the same significance to the wearer as it does with us today. 

When R. R. MacIan painted his Highland figures for James Logan in 1845-47, a few were in solid kilts.  Some were outright fanciful, such as his wildly inaccurate portrayal of the leine on his MacArthur figure.  But by contrast, his figure for MacIntyre is in contemporary dress and is shown in a solid blue kilt.
(http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/images/macintire.jpg)

This suggests that at least some people were wearing solid kilts at the time, if MacIan chose to show one of his figures in such.  And indeed evidence is not hard to find of solid kilts worn in the nineteenth century.  Perhaps the most famous wearer of a solid kilt is John Brown, shown here in this portrait from 1870.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/John_Brown_Queen_Victoria_personal_servant.jpg)

And if you prefer photographic evidence (love this sporran!):
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsyVPNLJQf479vmVV6tletmg7mO04RGWHj3RjqxrkhqQYbLyWNl2uZ_iuF)

So my point in all of this is simply to say that even though many will associate solid kilts with either the Irish or with modern "contemporary" kilt wearing, they are really no strangers in the Scottish tradition, either.  They simply have never been nearly as popular as tartan kilts.

Title: Re: Kilt wearing advice and kilt sources
Post by: kiltguide on December 18, 2017, 02:49:35 AM
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