Problems with the community fire

[Riot]

To make a comment on the actual reasonf ro this thread..

Since the bonfire made it was from in front of chaos all those years ago, I can count on one hand how many times I have been to it on one hand. All those times, minus one I have always had TWO male escorts and they never leave me more than half an arms length away. Now that being said, sunday night is whole other bag of cookies.  It is so dead that night is actually quite nice. Friday and Saturday though you can pretty much kiss it off, after a very bad situation several years ago..

[RenRobin]

I am very glad to here that the meyham is getting under control.  Thank you to whomever it was reading, meeting or communicating
with the home office to get this taken care of, and to help keep everyone safe.

[Lady Mousie]

Also, probably not a good idea to walk around any camp barefoot, or in faire for that matter. I know quite a few of us who have GPs use rebar or rr stakes. Even though we try to busy them in the ground you still might get your foot cut. Trust me I know from experience! Sharp pointy things to cut your feet on can be lying around anywhere and your more likely to trip or run into something or someone if your starring at the ground watching for things that might hurt.

[LadyElizabeth]

RenRobin, you have a point.  I seriously think that either fair management is on here reading this thread, or we have an R/Fer informing them of the issues.  It seems they've come up with a pretty effective way to deal with the riff-raff out at the bonfire!!  Huzzah to management who actually care about us little people's opinions!!!

[Riot]

Although I am happy, very happy infact, that management has started to crack down on this I'm afraid to say I still will not go down to the drum circle on Friday and Saturdays.. It just been a little too late in my eyes, which is sad..

[Lady Mousie]

Riot- "To make a comment on the actual reason for this thread..
Since the bonfire made it was from in front of chaos all those years ago, I can count on one hand how many times I have been to it on one hand."


Brigadoon actually moved it out because someone decided to throw a dry ice bomb in the crowd and the cap from the bottle hit Charlie in the face. Among other things was the underage kiddos and the amount of clean up. The best way to get control of camp was to move it out, which is why it's a short walking distance from Brigadoon. It became much larger in the years since.

I do think that checking for camping tags would be a better idea than asking if people have tickets. Seriously, most of the unruly people show up Saturday when everyone is inside faire. I know in years past there have been tow trucks onsite to fish vehicles out of the mud. I'm sure King George, ::bows::, wouldn't have to fork out much money since tow trucks would love to come tow people out of there if they're not properly tagged. Only problem is how packed camping gets it would be hard to get a tow truck in and out. They would also probably have to be escorted by an officer to just incase the owner of said non tagged vehicle shows up while loading. Mabey there should be some way to ticket those people without a tag? Have to consider all the aspects... hhmmm still thinking of a good solution...

[Riot]

I remember why it was moved(not so much the specific event,but I remember it was something pretty bad like that) I was just stating that since it was moved I can count how many times I've been to it and why. Of course it didn't help that the offical story that was going to those that were no regulars was it was TRF's management that changed it because they wanted to start it as a event focused more to the mundane crowd. That what I think was the first mistake of not correcting the story. I can not tell you by how many people I had heard that from and I kept saying.. that was untrue.

[PurpleDragon]

I do think that checking for camping tags would be a better idea than asking if people have tickets. Seriously, most of the unruly people show up Saturday when everyone is inside faire. I know in years past there have been tow trucks onsite to fish vehicles out of the mud. I'm sure King George, ::bows::, wouldn't have to fork out much money since tow trucks would love to come tow people out of there if they're not properly tagged. Only problem is how packed camping gets it would be hard to get a tow truck in and out. They would also probably have to be escorted by an officer to just incase the owner of said non tagged vehicle shows up while loading. Mabey there should be some way to ticket those people without a tag? Have to consider all the aspects... hhmmm still thinking of a good solution...

And what about the participants who drive through the back gate and stop in the camping area to visit with our friends who do NOT have a camping parking pass?  We have the participants pass and hang tag in our vehicles but that does NOT allow for 'free' entry into the camping area from the main camping entrance. 

[Lady Mousie]

I know right! It's really annoying! I thought I wouldn't have to pay for a pass since I already had one but noooo it's not good on that side of the fence!

[MacLaren]

We're not supposed to interact with playtrons. We could get our participant badges revoked for it. Stupid in my opinion.

[Spanish_Peacock]

I believe that was done because the participants were staying up all night playing with the playtrons ending up a bit  under the weather, impairing them in performing their duties the next day

The show must go on and all that.

[ravic]

I know it used to be a firing offense for cast & certain high profile participants to cross the wire. Something about maintaining the illusion. Not positive how strict that is now.

[Carl Heinz]

Fools can mess things up for everyone.

Camping at RPFS is, at best, marginal.

Since Agoura days, we've had to rely on the availability of sites at large public parks.

We had a "permanent" site in San Bernardino County at Devore until some folks decided to engage in some night time activities that the local politicians could latch onto as a reason to terminate the agreement.

Los Angeles County allowed us to continue at the park at Santa Fe Dam but would allow no camping on the basis of what they'd heard from our "friends" in San Bernardino.  OUr GM had pretty well gotten an agreement worked out to allow some camping beyond "security" camping to safeguard booths and environmental areas with the understanding that there'd be no alcohol.  Unfortunately some clown decided to get drunk and scale the climbing tower, fell,and broke (I think) his arm.  Back to square one.

So the quandry is whethr to get a public agency involved or attempt to deal with the problem internally.  If a Security group is formed, it should probably have the blessing of the event.

[brigaqueen1]

I agree that some participants who have really detailed hard roles to do all weekend long, that trf would prefer them to stay and sleep behind the scenes. Doesn't make for a good character if you're hungover or just too tired from staying up late. But, I am lucky to have a real flexible "routine" at the shop so I can get inside a little later.

Every weekend won't be as packed as first weekend though. Second weekend wasn't and those who couldn't make it were missed, but since they were herding the riff raff out, it made for a real nice weekend at camp. I hope they can keep that up, and keep the  raver mundane crowd to a minimum. I have met some genuine, decent mundanes  over the years who camp, but maybe once or twice a season, and do not cause trouble. They just like being around us "weirdos" and simply want to enjoy the camping experience and on occasion, do go inside. 

I've heard some of us (my husband included) say things like "The camping is what makes trf the most fun." And, ok in a way I do agree with that, but I personally love going inside. There are so many people I only see inside faire at the Devil, who I don't get to see at camp that evening, simply because there is cooking going on we attend to, or I take a nap, go to bed early, etc. I look at the faire/camping as a whole. For me, I can't have one without the other.

[Sk8ermaiden]

I realize this is my first post, but I do plan to stick around (I actually joined to ask garbing questions).

We camped at the faire last weekend, and I didn't see anyone cracking down on anything outside of the fire. Sometime around 1 in the morning, a group of 10 or so kids (age 16-18ish) set up camp less than 2 feet from our tents. They drank and smoked all night, SCREAMING about how high they were, and how they had some bad shrooms, yelling profanity all.night.long. They left their rap music on full blast all.night.long. You could hear booing from all corners of the camp it was so loud (we were nowhere near the fire). They did not go to faire in the morning. No one in our camp got any sleep which put a bit of a damper on the festivities the next day.

But my thought is, if you've got these kids, set up by a main fork in the road, obviously smoking, drinking, yelling endlessly about what drugs they're on and bothering the whole camp with their music, with no camping tag, why wouldn't the police run them off?

Sunday we did not see a single patrol, but I assume it was because of the two emergencies, and stuff like that just can't be helped.

I can't compare to years past, but it certainly didn't look like there was any action happening; those kids should have been a prime target.