Adult Faire?

[KeeperoftheBar]

I would prefer to see it 18+, or if laws permitted in the area 17+, I think 21+ is a bit too exclusive and unnecessary. The only reason I would see to keep it 21+ is for serving mixed drinks and personally I'm happy with beer and wine, when I'm in the mood to get tipsy to begin with.

Sorry to inform you Lord Duelist, but the 21+ drinking laws include beer and wine.  If you are drinking any alchohol and are under 21, you are drinking illegally.  At least in the US.

[Lord Duelist]

I would prefer to see it 18+, or if laws permitted in the area 17+, I think 21+ is a bit too exclusive and unnecessary. The only reason I would see to keep it 21+ is for serving mixed drinks and personally I'm happy with beer and wine, when I'm in the mood to get tipsy to begin with.

Sorry to inform you Lord Duelist, but the 21+ drinking laws include beer and wine.  If you are drinking any alchohol and are under 21, you are drinking illegally.  At least in the US.

Let me clarify... my understanding is if you're serving anything stronger than wine, you can't even have under 21 in the vicinity and/or the insurance/licensing requirements go way up into the financially impractical.

Let me also clarify, I've been over 21 for quite some time. (I still get ID checked once in a while...)

[groomporter]

In some states I believe it doesn't matter as much if the establishment also serves food. In Minnesota if the bar is also a restaurant they may card you only if you order alcohol, but not when you come in the door.

[gypsylakat]

I  know in VA annd as far as I know MD I can't buy any alcohol but I can serve any drink I want at age 18, a lot of bars in my area have the rule that like you can have younger folks in until a certain time and then only 16 year olds, and then only 18 year olds, some will make the rule of 21+ just to keep the chance that they inadvertantly serve a minor down... (kid goes in with older friends who orders the drink, switches it... etc.)

[Macintyre]

In Texas anyone over 18 can enter a bar but you must be 21 to drink, but bars can put an age limit on what the minimum age is for people to enter.  most places set it 21 to avoid TABC problems, but i've been to some clubs that are all ages and tag the 21+ yr olds with wrist bands.

[Dev]

Can't resist: My class i Ranger, does that help?

Sure.

I worry about the mundanes... 

[Black Armor]

I probably wouldn't go because I think there would be more than a few people that would get the wrong idea about and "adult" ren fest and show up wearing coustumes that you wish you hadn't seen.  For example: the last weekend I attended the MiRF I saw a 6' 2" transvestite complete with huge adam's apple and schoolgirl outfit and some young guy in bondage leather with most of his behind showing through his leather miniskirt.  And this was at a regular ren faire!     

[ravic]

Obviously the crowds will be smaller. As a result the site would probably have to be much smaller (I'm not sure how big the actual grounds of say TRF are, if that 53 acres counts e.g. the parking and camping areas).

The 53 acres is just the "ticketed inside the gate" part. The whole complex is 250+ acres, which includes the parking, both camps, all the backstage & service areas and does not include the King's Orchard or the large permanent rennie residential subdivision.

Another thing to consider is that if you set aside a separate 21+ area for mom & dad, you are also going to have to set aside a "park your kid" area like the casinos do. Most faires are already crunched for real estate as it is. At TRF we own our booths & any attempt to displace us for a new area & still provide a place for us would result in a lotta heartburn for everyone concerned.

[DuCoeur]

Hey! I am for sequestered, child only areas at restaurants (along the lines of ye olde smoking section).  therefore my opinion tends to  have a biased slant.  Plus I do not have children...I have cats.

I think it would be nice, but I do not think it would be thesable in this "Family Values/Oriented" society. 

Think about it?  Vegas had to add more family things to do...and I even saw, much to my chagrin, some moron carying his four year son on his shoulders, at 10pm down Bourbon St. in New Orleans.  "No son, mommies are not that big."  Kid got an education that night.   I mean come on!!!

There are times and places for everything.  Day Faires for Families but maybe after hours for Adults might be more realistic.

No kids after 5pm???  Thats just my 2 cents.

[Lady Renee Buchanan]

In our restaurant, due to state laws, our servers under age 18 can take the liquor order, but can't make the drink (if our manager/bartender is seating someone or making other drinks) or deliver it.  If they are under 18, then another server over 18 must carry the drink out to the table.  This includes beer, wine, and hard liquor.

[DuCoeur]

In our restaurant, due to state laws, our servers under age 18 can take the liquor order, but can't make the drink (if our manager/bartender is seating someone or making other drinks) or deliver it.  If they are under 18, then another server over 18 must carry the drink out to the table.  This includes beer, wine, and hard liquor.

It is the not  quite the Same in PA.  18 can serve Alchohol but can't mix it or drink it. 

[Ranna]

Hey! I am for sequestered, child only areas at restaurants (along the lines of ye olde smoking section).  therefore my opinion tends to  have a biased slant.  Plus I do not have children...I have cats.

Not all children are bad!  My children are quite behaved when we go out to eat, and if they start getting fussy I ask for the check, box up the food and leave promtply.  I am embarassed by the mothers who just allow their kids to scream and go nuts the WHOLE TIME.  (Sure my kids start getting ancy by the end, but my husband and I are ready for it and know when to head out).  Some high end resturants should have "If your child is a crying whining screaming brat, please eat here --------> cause even I don't wanna hear that!)

MDRF is big enough they could fence off a corner and make it adult only....kinda like Pleasure Island?  I don't think the 5pm cut off would work - I'm in the mindset where my kids are still little and I hold their hands and walk with them.  I'm sure there'd be plenty of teenie boppers hiding in shops till security has gone away to get in on the action.  One would hope they'd get carded when they try to buy booze....just thinking of the possible mature rated content.  Then again, they've probably all seen and done worse in high school.   

[TKM]

(sorry for reviving this so old, but i just love the idea I have to put in my opinion)

An adult faire is a great idea. I know very well where the faires make their real money, but as an avid rennie, I've always rather hated the fairegrounds swarming with these clueless mainstream suburban familes walking around in their old navy clothes and treating it like a goddamned carnival. This past season I overheard a mother saying to her small child, "Ok, we've seen everything. It's time to go." The thought running through my head was "What are we, a freaking sideshow? I thought this was a pleasant little village. Stay and relax a while. Maybe meet some people. ...losers."

But personal grudgery aside, It would be a wonderful idea, and I'm sure it would have a rather healthy turnout.

Plus, I'd love it if my faire started serving hard liquor rather than just beers and wines.

[Drake Starsong]

While an adult only faire, may seem fun to some people, I honestly cannot see it doing extremely well while being on scale with the bigger faires like TRF. Most people associate them with family atmospheres and you wouldnt draw in nearly as many people, and current faires most likely wouldn't do an adult only themed weekend, at least I wouldn't think, because they would loose alot of money on all the families they'd turn away. I'm not opposed to the idea at all, but I like the thought of a 21+ area within the faire, sectioned off from the rest, I can see this working. I know I'd be there

[DonaCatalina]

I think the best we could ever hope for is an adult's only area like Disney has on their cruise ships.