Following Orders

[Sir William Marcus]

all im saying is i wouldn't mind if certain things in d.c. were real.

Sorry Jesse, but can you explain a little on what you are referring too here?

[Just Jesse]

certain things in the da vinci code

[Femme Falchion]

all im saying is i wouldn't mind if certain things in d.c. were real. i do believe i wouldn't, be mad if new discoveries were made about Jesus.

That's the most pleasurable part of fiction....dreaming about the possibilities

In regards to the issue at hand...

You have an unique opportunity here to learn under the tutelage of some incredibly knowledgeable Brothers of the Temple.  Just like any other designation or title (with the exception to family money and marrying well) time and study are required before you will be recognized in a manner deemed appropriate by the leader and those that have created the reality of this thread.  So you continue to pursue your passion....read, research, develop your character and gain experience through venues such as faire and active participation on this thread.   Ask for feedback and learn what is put before you.  

and as Sir Clisto said, it's also about fun (that's why I'm here  )...enjoy the process as you strive for the privileges (or not!  )

[Just Jesse]

now warrior monk im sorry we didnt meet up at florence, but i and my fellow crusaders will be at mobile, i have a house in dauphin island so ill be satying there either friday or saterday night.ill be at the fair both days, seeing how i have no job, and im looking, money is hard, i gess my frends are gunna pull together to help this young scholar go down there

[Monsignor de Beaumanoir]

TJ,
I have no problem about not meeting you at the ARF. I did look forward to it, but lost no sleep over it not happening.
The folks on this thread are sharp witted and do there best to help those who seek information, when asked.
Most of us would probably fall in the "Older" crowd where you're concerned, so we have our little idiosyncrasies that set us on edge at times (mine being works of fiction concerning the Order). The benefit of this forum is you can take our advice or leave it...your choice, but I want those guys that put forth some effort in their portrayals to be recognized for it.

BTW, some of us have a strange sense of humor!!!

If you are to be at Mobile, you may want to check with the King: BLAKDUKE.
He throws a wonderful little event down there.

[Just Jesse]

well, ive done some research, and now im coming to here to get yalls opinion. steel spaulders on a templar. would a 1306 a.d. templar have these?

[Monsignor de Beaumanoir]

Historically knights in the early 14th century were known to wear ailettes on their shoulders, usually what most see as small rectangular pieces of armor tied off to the coat. Some carried coats of arms on them.
By 1330 there limited examples of spaulders appearing in effigies, but they look more bowl shaped or clam shelled in appearance.
The type I believe you're referring to (segmented) much like the old lorica Roman Armor, but for the shoulders, appears on the effigy of Sir Robert Hilton in Swine Priory, Yorkshire. He probably died around 1372.
There is even evidence of separate coifs by the 14th century, as displayed by the Trustees of the National Museum of Scotland.
The bottom line to remember is that armor back then wasn't produced on a mass assembly line type basis. Metal smiths took pride in their work, and made advancements as demand probably required. Remember that other than the chain mail haulberk, which probably varied in length from person to person, the armor worn by Templars was donated by entrants and folks wishing to save their souls, so commonality across the board varied. Even locational differences could be expected, ie; Iberia vs Northern Europe, or the Outremer.
It could be that your 14th century persona, encountered these spaulders early than the main stream, if that's the way you'd want to go.

[Just Jesse]

thanks. this helps alot, so far in the game assassins creed, i have found no wrongs in armor. story wise, not so much. i wore spaulders on sat, i new i was pushing it, but....

[Monsignor de Beaumanoir]

thanks. this helps alot, so far in the game assassins creed, i have found no wrongs in armor. story wise, not so much.

Funny you should mention the game A.C. As some of my forum Brothers can attest to, I refuse to play it, because of the fact that you're an Islamic extremist, bent on killing the Templar Grand Master. (one of my idiosyncrasies)

It has a certain disturbing message and tone along with some extreme historical inaccuracies that make the game unbalanced in its claim to be historically inspired.

It's by far the greatest inaccuracy is its portrayal of the Knights Templars.

The Knights Templars were started by Hugh de Paynes and a group of knights around 1118, as the Poor fellow soldiers of Jesus Christ and were going to be originally a purely monastic order that worshipped Christ in the holy land, however the Patriarch of Jerusalem along with the King wished for them to remain a knightly order and carry out those obligations as well and so they did. The King of Jerusalem gave them the old site of the Temple of Solomon as their HQ and out of this their name was born. These knightly duties were to protect the roads the pilgrims travelled to the holy shrines and to make war on the 'Saracens' when it occurred. These duties were by and large fulfilled by the Templars during their entire existence in the Holy land.
Now this extremely Christian Order did have its weaknesses it occasionally gave in to the pride of war and wanted to be the first in the Charge and this weakness was most greatly shown in their overzealous attack in Hattin which ended in complete failure and loss of Jerusalem. However this was due to a period of mismanagement by the leader of the Order at the time Gerard of Ridefort, the Templars could have times of an overzealous nature or a more pragmatic and tolerant one, which they had taken before and quickly after his leadership.
Now with Assassins Creed, although a fictional game so of course can take artistic license, it has decided to go completely against the true history of the Templars in every way, and the other religious Orders, from a devoutly religious group who wanted to protect Christians to a horrible corrupt group of anti religious bigots that want to take over the world. There needs to be mention that during Richard's campaign he heavily relied on the new Templar leader Robert de Sablé and the Templars protected the entire front column of Richards army while the heroic march down the coast to meet and defeat Saladin in the Arsuf woods. Historically if the Templars wanted to defeat Richard they could have just left the field and he would have been demolished not before weakening Saladin and getting what they wanted.
This kind of Templar bashing is strange as it has arisen in current media whenever they are portrayed, the Templars weakest moment was in the 1180's just before and after Hattin. This is the time that the media wishes to show the Templars at their weakest then manipulate their image to be either their worst or something they are not. Kingdom of Heaven is another good example of this false image. If you look where the criticism come from this time Ubisoft a French institution, its interesting to note that it was the French who did away with the Templars. This was down to false claims of heresy in which no evidence was found but it coincided with the time when the King needed their money power and land due to the reckless way in which he governed, so perhaps the French looking back at their history don't like to admit their actions of persecution and torture of members of a devoutly Christian Order so manipulate it to a lie they are comfortable with.


Also see uniform depictions of the cross on Sable's tunic!

[Just Jesse]

yes i know i still loooove the game as silly as the story is, just because of how technologically advanced it is. the costumes, besides the templar crosses, are still impeccable. and i think its kool to see Museum Replicas making assassins creed garb. OH BY ThE WAy. at the fair, i was walking around, when all of a sudden a goth kid wearing a black trench coat said, templar, i am altair, a assassin, and i must kill you. i wanted to vomit. wearing my great helm, i turned my nose to him and just walked away embarrassed. my friend continued to talk to him, but i did not respect him enough to continue a conversation wit him.

[Lady Christina de Pond]

  i know i know i'm off to do pentance not my fault i dreamed it but ohhh but it was a good one. 

[Monsignor de Beaumanoir]

What?!

[Femme Falchion]

Ok Militissa, I'll bite.  What was your dream about?

(assuming that your dream is in no way "of the flesh"....wouldn't want to expose myself to that!)


and Confrere Jesse, (*stepping out of character*) your story of the interaction at faire perfectly illustrates my firm belief that we create our own reality.  You drew the assassin to yourself by putting your energy and intellect into a game that perpetuates a disturbing message.  Yes?

[Sir William Marcus]

i know i know i'm off to do pentance not my fault i dreamed it but ohhh but it was a good one. 

Huh?

[Femme Falchion]

Come on Lady De Pond, tell us.

You had a dream about Warrior Monk and Brother William in goth garb, right?