Period accuracy of pouches

[ArielCallista]

Pink if I'm remembering correctly was considered merely a shade of red back then. It was considered to be "light red" not pink. I'm not sure when it changed, but technically speaking pink is just a light shade of red. I'm not positive on the details anymore. Regardless, no one can argue that red isn't accurate.

[bellevivre]

or, for that matter, that red fabrics never faded!

[isabelladangelo]

Pink if I'm remembering correctly was considered merely a shade of red back then. It was considered to be "light red" not pink. I'm not sure when it changed, but technically speaking pink is just a light shade of red. I'm not positive on the details anymore. Regardless, no one can argue that red isn't accurate.

Light what?   

List of Elizabethan colors and pink is one of them...

[gem]

I swear, Moroni must have bought pink paint by the bucketfull!  His portraits are full of people--men, especially--in pink. Clearly it was a "hot" color during his career!

[crashbot]

That is silliness. There are examples of belt pouches, handbags, and other devices in which to put items of many varations going back to antiquity that are not simple pouches tied with a string.

[Rani Zemirah]

Most artists of the various periods mixed their own paints from powdered pigments, and if they could get them then certainly weavers could, as well...

[dragongirl]

If someone starts giving you guff about your pouches, color of your garb or anything else that makes you feel good, use my favorite response.  When you give up your glasses, medications, ashma inhaler, chocolate, and cola I will give up *insert item in question here*.  If I wanted to answer to the garb nazi's I would hang out with the SCAdian wanna-be's.  A true SCAdian would complament your effort and if asked offer idea's to improve your garb.

[DonaCatalina]

If someone starts giving you guff about your pouches, color of your garb or anything else that makes you feel good, use my favorite response.  When you give up your glasses, medications, ashma inhaler, chocolate, and cola I will give up *insert item in question here*.  If I wanted to answer to the garb nazi's I would hang out with the SCAdian wanna-be's.  A true SCAdian would complament your effort and if asked offer idea's to improve your garb.

One of the joys of being Spanish is access to chocolate, albeit a more dark version than most people recognize. 

[isabelladangelo]

Hot chocolate is perfectly period in England as well.  There is some evidence (a recipe from 1612) that they even added things like vanilla extract and honey to the drink as well.   

I can't drink regular coca-cola (corn syrup!) anymore.

Glasses, again, are perfectly period.  The Italians even had tinted green or blue glasses for the glare.  Now, they didn't have sides to them but they did have ribbons so they could be attached to the ears.

Medications are also period.  I was reading an interesting article on how it was known in Northern Europe since the 13th c that the bread with the blue mold was useful for helping with certain illnesses.  That blue mold later became known as penicillin. 

So uh, yeah.  Also calling anyone a nazi who hasn't killed 11 million people and isn't dragging you off to the gas chamber isn't appropriate, ever.   If someone says "Why do you have that?  It ruins your outfit!" just either, a) ignore them or b) given them a calm, cool explanation.   Don't stoop to their level because by giving a response like that not only can you be wrong (as shown above!) but they'll just think you are a jerk (half the time, you might hear something wrong or someone might not mean it as cruelly as you take it to be) and all you have really done is miss an opportunity to educate them. 

[crazyrennie]

I did hear a conversation at fair last year-

Paytron  "That is not correct to your character"

other Cast member "Its my annoying magnet and look it worked here you are."

I almost droppped the red tailed hawk i was carrying

[Rowan MacD]

Glasses, again, are perfectly period.  The Italians even had tinted green or blue glasses for the glare.  Now, they didn't have sides to them but they did have ribbons so they could be attached to the ears.

That reminds me.  Is there an eye wear provider somewhere that can make prescription glasses like those? Many people cannot wear contacts, and I know some folks who would not mind spending the money to look a little more HA.     
   As for sunglasses-Nobbies has gold wire rimmed, round John Lennon type sun glasses in red, yellow, blue and green starting at $4.99.  The wire rimmed sides could be removed and ribbons attached.   I will be getting a couple pair to wear with garb now. Thanks for the hint!
   

[LadyStitch]

I know there is some place that does make vintage reading glasses. IE gold rimmed with a place for a chain/ribbion.  Some of the historical re-enactors at a local historical landmark had them.   They had to find a optical tech who would be willing to put the lenses in them. Depending on how thick the lenses are will depend on if they would work with the frames.

I have found that it all depends on how much effort you are willing to put into it. 


I actually was told that they loved the Pink Pirate's outfit but sadly they didn't think it was THAT historically accurate.  Before I could say anything a vendor spoke up and said "Actually, of all of you standing here, he is the most accurate.  He is a pirate on shore leave.  Of course he is going to pull out his finery.  Also it is either a sign he is a "whoopsie" or he is a "Bad weed puller" that he can pull off the pink. Personally I would not want to take my chances that he is the second type."   The person who said it turned bright red and walked off.   The comment made my day. 

[Dinobabe]

Glasses, again, are perfectly period.  The Italians even had tinted green or blue glasses for the glare.  Now, they didn't have sides to them but they did have ribbons so they could be attached to the ears.

That reminds me.  Is there an eye wear provider somewhere that can make prescription glasses like those? Many people cannot wear contacts, and I know some folks who would not mind spending the money to look a little more HA.     
   As for sunglasses-Nobbies has gold wire rimmed, round John Lennon type sun glasses in red, yellow, blue and green starting at $4.99.  The wire rimmed sides could be removed and ribbons attached.   I will be getting a couple pair to wear with garb now. Thanks for the hint!
   

Look for Civil War reenactor sutlers.  You can order "period" frames and have prescription lenses put it.

[Nighthawk]

Yes they claimed that hand carried drawstring pouches were the only period ones.

I have to wonder, then, where the term "cutpurse" came from.  

Most artists of the various periods mixed their own paints from powdered pigments, and if they could get them then certainly weavers could, as well...

That's not entirely accurate. The process of painting on canvas is very different from the process of dying fabric. Different mordants are used on the dyes, and different mordants used on the same dye can produce varying results. The pigment types are different as well, from what I can gather. (I honestly don't know all the details- I hang out with weavers and cloth makers, and I know that this was a discussion at which I was a fly on the wall!)

If someone starts giving you guff about your pouches, color of your garb or anything else that makes you feel good, use my favorite response.  When you give up your glasses, medications, ashma inhaler, chocolate, and cola I will give up *insert item in question here*.  If I wanted to answer to the garb nazi's I would hang out with the SCAdian wanna-be's.  A true SCAdian would complament your effort and if asked offer idea's to improve your garb.

Darn right! I never thought of myself as a SCAdian, since I don't belong to the SCA, but that's the attitude that I've always taken. I actually had a discussion with a gentleman in a great kilt once about this subject. I liked the tartan and asked him about it. He had no idea what it was since it was borrowed. And then he asked me what I thought of his outfit... I told him that the kilt should not wrap around him 5 times, and should be pleated. He asked if I knew how, so I had him take it off, and I pleated and wrapped it right there at the jousting field. I'm not Garb Police, but if asked...

   That reminds me.  Is there an eye wear provider somewhere that can make prescription glasses like those? Many people cannot wear contacts, and I know some folks who would not mind spending the money to look a little more HA.    
  As for sunglasses-Nobbies has gold wire rimmed, round John Lennon type sun glasses in red, yellow, blue and green starting at $4.99.  The wire rimmed sides could be removed and ribbons attached.   I will be getting a couple pair to wear with garb now. Thanks for the hint!
 

These could be useful. Just take off the sides. Or in truth, they look primitive enough as is!

http://jas-townsend.com/index.php?cPath=7&osCsid=00ef02fe505368c3093183ca9c95a581

[Rani Zemirah]

Most artists of the various periods mixed their own paints from powdered pigments, and if they could get them then certainly weavers could, as well...

That's not entirely accurate. The process of painting on canvas is very different from the process of dying fabric. Different mordants are used on the dyes, and different mordants used on the same dye can produce varying results. The pigment types are different as well, from what I can gather. (I honestly don't know all the details- I hang out with weavers and cloth makers, and I know that this was a discussion at which I was a fly on the wall!)

My point was simply that painters were not the only ones who knew the various processes and materials used for achieving specific color results, and if a color or effect could be achieved in one way, then someone else, somewhere, would most certainly figure out a way to achieve it in a manner that enhanced their own particular craft, as well.  Your pardon, please... I should have been more clear.