Ravers advertising a rave at TRF

[Autumn Blaize]

Happened to come across this and thought I would share. This was for last year but interesting. If I can find out when they are planning for this year I will not be camping.
http://plancast.com/p/7ap3/official-renaissance-festival-dance-dance-field-rave-bedlam

[gaerdon]

Didn't the cops shut this down real fast last year?

[KiltedPrivateer]

This has already been posted here on the forums.  If you look at the dates on the posts from that site you'll see they go way back. 

I also hope to avoid any raves this year.  We have several past threads on the forums here concerning the camp grounds.  Just page back a page or two.  You probably don't have to go far (o:

[Autumn Blaize]

Guess I must have missed those posts so far. Trying to read everything, there is so much information on here. But I have been sick yesterday and today so what better to do than lay in bed and surf the web.

[KiltedPrivateer]

There is so much info here on this site, it will keep you busy for awhile.
Hope you get better soon (o:

[mpullen]

There is a very nice area that the Ravers can use anytime they desire to camp. They are paying customers and as such, will be treated the same as any other camper.

It is located in the new campgrounds area and a local Sheriff has his house just on the other side of the tree line. He has ZERO tolerance for drug using, head-banging idiots.

Took alot of new photos today to add to the PDF interactive map. Showed clan leaders of The Claw and Brigadoon the area.

More info on a separate message thread.

[Autumn Blaize]

There is a very nice area that the Ravers can use anytime they desire to camp. They are paying customers and as such, will be treated the same as any other camper.

It is located in the new campgrounds area and a local Sheriff has his house just on the other side of the tree line. He has ZERO tolerance for drug using, head-banging idiots.

Took alot of new photos today to add to the PDF interactive map. Showed clan leaders of The Claw and Brigadoon the area.

More info on a separate message thread.

oh wow that is great lol
I just never liked the overloud music, now maybe if it was faire music I could stand it better. Funny thing is I was a raver, never at faire, ( and I am a dj by trade lol) but I like the music and love the scene. For me faire is about fair, raves are all year long. Enjoy the drums and bellydancers, go to a club to rave.

[Morrigan]

Didn't the cops shut this down real fast last year?

Uh, no.  They didn't.  It was far worse on Friday night than it was on Saturday night... But no.     On Friday night, the music was audible from INSIDE a house, in a residential area that is 1.4 miles from the back end of the campground, until between 3 and 4 am.   And as the music being played was club music and dubstep, the bass was inescapable.  Nothing at all was done about it, because they were "paying customers" like everybody else.   To be fair, after the high number of complaints, I'm given to understand that starting the FOLLOWING weekend, the security made SOME attempt to minimize loudly amplified music into the wee hours... but at that point, it was kind of moot.  The big advertized rave event had already come and gone.

I'm sorry, but that "they paid, too" argument is and was a bunch of crap.   Allowing one group of customers to behave themselves in such a way that it negatively impacts the experiences of the rest of the customers, in a quite significant way, is NOT ok.    And this didn't only affect the rest of the campers; it kept up a significant number of TRF participants and performers who were camped INSIDE the grounds, as well as disturbing the peace and quiet that residents of the surrounding areas are entitled to in their own homes (people who did NOT make the choice to subject themselves to this by choosing to attend/work at TRF).

My concern is this...

There is a very nice area that the Ravers can use anytime they desire to camp. They are paying customers and as such, will be treated the same as any other camper.

What does this MEAN???   Does this mean that they will be allowed to CAMP, like all the other campers?  Or does it mean that they will be able to pay admission into a campground for the purposes of throwing another rave that destroys the camping experience for countless others, and disturbs the peace for miles around?

If there are no plans to curb or restrict the use of loudly amplified music, then it doesn't matter what part of the campground you put them in.  If that music was loud enough to keep people awake INSIDE HOMES over a mile away, there isn't ANYWHERE in the campground you can put them where that maddening bass will not be utterly inescapable.  And there is also the fact that moving them in ANY direction to get them farther away from other campers and/or the participants inside the grounds will, in fact, be moving them closer to local residents, won't it?   Simply MOVING them, while allowing the kind of behavior we dealt with last year, really doesn't address the problem at all, and is more lip service than anything else.

My hope is that the campground management has taken all of this into consideration, and is prepared to establish and enforce guidelines that will maximize a positive experience for EVERYONE.    Please?  Can someone please reassure us that this is the case?

[Glaodian]

My concern is this...

There is a very nice area that the Ravers can use anytime they desire to camp. They are paying customers and as such, will be treated the same as any other camper.

What does this MEAN???   Does this mean that they will be allowed to CAMP, like all the other campers?  Or does it mean that they will be able to pay admission into a campground for the purposes of throwing another rave that destroys the camping experience for countless others, and disturbs the peace for miles around?

I think it was meant to be sarcasm.  As he noted, there is a sheriff living on the other side of the tree line.  

Also, if I remember correctly, there was an even larger rave scheduled after that one.  That is when TRF finally heard the rest of our cries and put a stop to any of the extra loud amplified music.  The rest of the season just got better with the added security and such.

[KiltedPrivateer]

I agree - Sarcasm.

I also don't think that after that event, the regulars are going to let that happen twice.

Important Note: Not Promoting Vigilantism

[Morrigan]

I agree - Sarcasm.

I also don't think that after that event, the regulars are going to let that happen twice.

Important Note: Not Promoting Vigilantism

heh.  Sorry, the sarcasm was lost on me, I fear.  It's a bit of a tender topic, and I'm afraid my sense of humor took pass.   
 
That's good to hear.

[gaerdon]

Hmm must have just missed it last year. Was so cold without a fire spent most of the night huddled around a propane heater. I've never Rly had a problem with them but generally me and my wife and the few friends we bring camp pretty close to the bigger clans seems to keep the worst of it away. When we used to come n on Saturday morning and had to camp way n the back. . . Well there is a reason we head down early Friday now

[mpullen]

Thanks Glaodian and KP. Yes, my sarcasm tends to be very subtle. Sometimes I'll post a response using a 12th century reference and in German.

Remember, since I am now a member of the TRF management team, I have to take the "team" view on events. I am slowly introducing subtle changes that should make everyone happy, thanks to the support of Terre Albert, the TRF General Manager, who is very open to suggestions (some he takes, some he rejects, such is life [i.e., he's the boss]).

[Wakarimasen]

Happened to come across this and thought I would share. This was for last year but interesting. If I can find out when they are planning for this year I will not be camping.
http://plancast.com/p/7ap3/official-renaissance-festival-dance-dance-field-rave-bedlam

It'll probably happen again. I was heavily involved in that flame-war and wish I had taken a better tone, but I just couldn't understand how these ravers could be so inconsiderate - and offer up such idiotic arguments.  Please note that this page was discovered AFTER some ravers had already showed up the previous weekend and made everyone else miserable. They were apparently a different group, but when I and my friends saw this, well, they pretty much went ballistic immediately, and I can't blame them.

There HAS to be some way to get this nonsense stopped, but in 2011 - as in 2010 and before - campground security does nothing whatsoever about noise, no matter the level and no matter the time (before the ravers, everyone quieted down by 2AM, which is fine in my book!), unless you're in the "quiet family camping area."

In related news, last year is when I, and my wife and friends, began camping in the "quiet family camping area..."

[Lady Laura]

Just to weigh in on the "raver plight", we weren't camping the night of the raver party could be heard all the way to Plantersville, but on our next two camping weekends the TRF security team made some dramatic changes that really had a huge impact. They beefed up the 4-wheeler patrols, clamped down on making sure everyone using a camping pass had a ticket to faire, and were driving through the campgrounds nonstop. I didn't hear any loud, let me rephrase, outrageously loud music after that. I hope that the powers that be will have the same level of security presence out there each weekend this year because I truly believe it helped.